Mock Draft Monday: Pats Mock 5.0, Final thoughts on draft week

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It's finally draft week, and Pat and Matt give you their final thoughts before the big night! They also go through Pat's Mock Draft 5.0 on Pats Pulpit

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00:00:49It's your boy Pat Lane here with my guy Matt St. Jean.

00:00:52It's the final mock draft Monday of the pre-draft.

00:00:57The whole thing, dude, this has been a long time.

00:01:00And right now, we're both pissed because the friggin' Bruins blew it at home against the flippin' Maple Leafs.

00:01:09Just, it's a brutal game.

00:01:12I think what's frustrating about that game tonight is that this is the third year in a row where we've had a playoff series where it's like,

00:01:18you've got defensemen that can't get the puck out of their own zone and that is just absolutely killing you,

00:01:23despite everything else, like that just bogs down the entire thing.

00:01:27It's like having a football game where every single possession, you're starting at your own 15-yard line.

00:01:32That's what this felt like.

00:01:35And look, Charlie Foxtrot mentions, I know I didn't just reference the Bruins game.

00:01:40And listen, I get it, the Charlie Coyle play certainly was questionable.

00:01:45I know he did punch him back in the face, but it was certainly questionable.

00:01:52But either way, I mean, at that point, yeah, sure, they could have been up 5-on-3, but like,

00:01:57they had a 5-on-4 power play and were just cycling the puck in their own end.

00:02:02Like, they couldn't even get the puck on net.

00:02:04And so, you know, it was bad.

00:02:07It was just bad all around.

00:02:09And there was a lot of, you know, it's just passes that they couldn't connect on, you know,

00:02:15passes that aren't quite tape-to-tape, bouncing pucks that they can't corral.

00:02:19A lot of the bounces don't go your way.

00:02:21You get out-physicaled by a team that, you know, you should be more physical than.

00:02:25They beat up Toronto in game one.

00:02:27There's no excuse to get beat up by these guys.

00:02:29It should be the more physical team.

00:02:31But having peak out definitely hurts that.

00:02:34And, you know, it's playoff hockey.

00:02:36I think the officiating had some real errors in it.

00:02:39But if you're waiting on the officiating to bail you out in the playoffs, you're going to be out in the first round.

00:02:44So you've got to find a way to perform anyway.

00:02:46And, you know, we're talking about an official's mistake away from having a slightly better power play,

00:02:51away from maybe tying the game, just to have a chance to win in overtime.

00:02:55Like, you've just got to play better.

00:02:56Yeah.

00:02:57Yeah, 100%.

00:02:58And listen, the Maple Leafs have not beaten the Bruins in a series since before the Patriots existed.

00:03:05And so it just, you cannot, you absolutely cannot lose a series to these flipping guys.

00:03:13And I'll tell you, Auston Matthews is incredible.

00:03:16Auston Matthews might be the best player on the ice.

00:03:18He might be the best player on the ice at all times.

00:03:21Because I think he might be better than Pasternak because he's bigger and a little bit more physical.

00:03:25He is better, and that's not a joke from Bostic.

00:03:28And so, you know, with him and Tavares, like, they have some real talent on that team now.

00:03:34And so you don't want to mess around with that team.

00:03:37You've got to, you know, you get your foot in the throat.

00:03:39You've got to put them away.

00:03:40And they had a lead, and they played terrible in the second, lost the lead, and then lost the game.

00:03:46Yeah.

00:03:47Well, and then it's, I don't know, Toronto's goaltending is not good.

00:03:52Boston's goaltending is much better.

00:03:54And in a series like this, you just want to, like, get zone times.

00:03:57You can just throw pucks on net.

00:03:59Like, you know Toronto is going to have to outshoot you and get more quality chances just to play even because of that goaltending differential.

00:04:07You know, if Toronto's going to steal a game because of their goaltending, make them earn that.

00:04:12You have to keep throwing pucks on net.

00:04:14Get guys in front.

00:04:15They didn't do that tonight.

00:04:16I think at one point it was, like, the high, I think they called it, like, high danger chances, I think.

00:04:22I think is what they called it on Nessun.

00:04:24High danger chances.

00:04:25And it was, like, 9-3 Toronto.

00:04:27That's just, you can't have that.

00:04:28Cannot have that.

00:04:29So, but, you know, what are you going to do?

00:04:32All right.

00:04:33Anyways, on to the Reds.

00:04:34Jesus Christ.

00:04:35Not the Red Sox.

00:04:36No.

00:04:37God, no.

00:04:38On to the Patriots.

00:04:39The Red Sox have a better record than the Dodgers right now, right?

00:04:41Which I'm assuming is almost entirely because of who those teams have played.

00:04:46Yes.

00:04:47Because I'm pretty sure the Red Sox, oh, they're 13-10.

00:04:51Look at that.

00:04:52In third place.

00:04:53They're winning some.

00:04:54At least.

00:04:55Look at that.

00:04:56That's pretty nice.

00:04:57They just swept the team they just played, right?

00:05:00Did they not?

00:05:01Yeah.

00:05:02Yeah.

00:05:03They're number one starting pitcher.

00:05:04Number three starting pitcher.

00:05:05Number five starting pitcher.

00:05:06And all of their infielders.

00:05:07Yeah, they're a mess.

00:05:08They're a mess.

00:05:09So, but.

00:05:10They weren't that good.

00:05:11And they're way more injured than any team ever should be.

00:05:14And, yeah, they're still kind of hanging in there.

00:05:16So, we'll see.

00:05:17Yeah.

00:05:18Yeah.

00:05:19So, you never know.

00:05:20What the heck, right?

00:05:21Maybe they'll have something to play for.

00:05:22Maybe there'll be something to watch during the summer.

00:05:23You know?

00:05:24At least they could be an interesting team.

00:05:25We'll see what happens.

00:05:26Bridge the gap from whenever Celtics and Bruins season ends to when training camp begins.

00:05:31Exactly.

00:05:32That's what I need.

00:05:33So, all right.

00:05:34So, let's get into this.

00:05:35Of course, Thursday is the draft.

00:05:36We're here.

00:05:37It's finally draft week.

00:05:38Three days from today, we will know what the Patriots have done in the first round.

00:05:39It's kind of exciting.

00:05:40Well, maybe not.

00:05:41Depending on if they trade back.

00:05:42But we'll know what they've done in pick three, at least.

00:05:43So, that mystery will be solved.

00:05:44Yeah.

00:05:45And they, you know, even if they trade back, they probably still should have picked, by

00:05:46now.

00:05:48Yeah.

00:06:03So, let's get into it.

00:06:09Do you want to do my mock first, and then talk about some final things?

00:06:13So, we'll do my mock.

00:06:14This is my fifth mock.

00:06:16And so what I do, and Matt and I have both talked about this, and I think Matt kind of

00:06:21broke this on the last one that he did, but I did not. I did not. I drafted a different player

00:06:30in every spot in every draft the entire offseason. And so I have five different,

00:06:37actually I have six different drafts. I did a mid-season mock where I just did three rounds.

00:06:46So I did a three-round mid-season mock. And then I also did a three-round mid-season mock,

00:06:54and then I've done five during the offseason. And so I drafted a different player in every

00:06:59one of them. This is the only draft where I had them stay at three. I had them actually move up

00:07:04to one and take Caleb Williams in my first mock draft. And then I had them move back in my last

00:07:12three before this one, and I had them staying at three. And I had them staying at three and

00:07:16taking Drake May. And so look, we can get into exactly why it's Drake May. And obviously in

00:07:27this case, Jaden Daniels went number two. And I feel like Jaden Daniels is probably going to go

00:07:31number two. And I think that across the league that Jaden Daniels is considered the number two

00:07:40prospect, I think for most people across the league. And again, I don't know if that's true,

00:07:46if that's correct or not, I don't know. But I really like the ceiling that Drake May has.

00:07:53I think his athletic abilities are incredible. I think the way he throws the ball is outrageous.

00:08:00His arm is ridiculous. And I think that he provides the kind of upside that you want

00:08:08in the number three pick. With that being said, he's far from a finished product.

00:08:15He's not going to start right away. He can't start right away in my opinion, I don't think.

00:08:20And so the Patriots need to be patient with him, but I think that's okay. Be patient with him.

00:08:25You have a veteran quarterback that can give you at least some stable play. You're not making the

00:08:31playoffs this year or like competing for the division or anything like that. But you know,

00:08:36you have a guy that can give you something, let him give you something and let Drake May learn

00:08:42underneath him and then start maybe at the end of the year, maybe he waits all year and starts next

00:08:47year. Either way, I think that the pick makes a ton of sense.

00:08:53I'm a little bit more optimistic than you on what I think Drake May can do in year one.

00:08:58I wouldn't have an issue with him starting from the jump. I don't know if he'll necessarily be

00:09:03a great player from day one, but I think he's good enough that he can play through his mistakes.

00:09:10But I think a lot of this is also judging the guy, talking to him in the interviews,

00:09:14talking to his coaches and people around him and getting a feel for him once they bring guy into

00:09:18the building too of what you want to do. Because everybody learns in different ways, people grow

00:09:24in different ways. And I think there's a couple of different ways to approach that. I will say,

00:09:29if you're drafting, obviously somehow Caleb Williams falls to three or if it's Drake May

00:09:34or if it's JJ McCarthy, I think you're going to entertain the option of not starting on day one.

00:09:41If it's Jaden Daniels, Bo Nix, Michael Penix, Spencer, Rattler, any guys like that. Rattler,

00:09:46Nix, Penix a little bit later, I think might be different. But a guy like Jaden Daniels at his

00:09:51age with his experience, I think you're starting him from day one. And that's one of the differences

00:09:56between these types of products that these projects in their age. Right. That's a good

00:10:01point. That's a good point. So. All right. So that's what I had at number three. And we'll

00:10:05see what happens. But and Nelson, you're 100 percent right that that Patriots fans need the

00:10:15patience more than the Patriots do. And here's what I'll say. So Brian, Brian Hammond mentioned

00:10:19that all draft simulators have May ahead of Daniels. And that's fine that the draft simulators

00:10:25have that. I will say that all the chatter. Right. Adam Schefter was on with Pat McAfee today,

00:10:32and he said the Patriots are entertaining offers at three. I don't know if they're going to take

00:10:37one or not, but he said, you know, that's assuming that Jaden Daniels goes number two and Drake May

00:10:41is number three. He he said if Drake May goes number two and Jaden Daniels is available at

00:10:47number three, the cost for three is going to go up significantly. His words, not mine. Right.

00:10:53And so I think that the league is a little bit higher on Jaden Daniels than they are on Drake

00:11:00May. Now, that doesn't mean that that's the correct take. That doesn't mean it's the correct

00:11:04information. I don't know how the Patriots feel about it. As a matter of fact, if I had to guess,

00:11:09I think that they're split. I think that, you know, everyone in the league is split on this,

00:11:14that there are some people that prefer Drake May and there are some people that prefer Jaden

00:11:17Daniels. Just like Patriots Twitter is is crazy about this. Right. It's like some people like

00:11:22Jaden Daniels is great. Drake May is fine. And some people go back and forth with it. And so

00:11:27I think the Patriots are kind of in a similar situation. And so the simulators can have

00:11:31whatever they want. I think Daniels is the guy that, you know, is preferred around the league.

00:11:37Now, what I will also say is that this could be a situation like last year where a lot of people

00:11:44said, well, last year they had CJ Stroud ranked number one. And then once it became obvious that

00:11:51Bryce Young was going number one, people said, well, you know what? Okay, we'll put Stroud,

00:11:56we'll put Bryce Young number one instead of CJ Stroud. And so it could be a little bit of that

00:12:00bias where you hear that Washington is probably going to be taking him at two. And so he gets

00:12:06elevated a little bit, but I'm not sure. We'll see what happens. Yeah. Well, I think there's some

00:12:11overlap here between what's happening this year and what happened in 2021. Like nobody really

00:12:17thought Zach Wilson was the second best prospect, but the Jets did. So that moves him up on everybody's

00:12:23board. I'm like, I'm not saying that to say that Jaden Daniels is Zach Wilson, but I think pretty

00:12:30consistently most evaluators have had May over Daniels. It's probably like a 60-40 split or a

00:12:3770-30 split, but May over Daniels has been the popular thing. I think that's what the consensus

00:12:42boards have right now. From all outside opinions, Washington views it the other way around.

00:12:49So when you have a simulator that's based on the consensus board, it's going to have May going

00:12:54number two. But when you have the intel, it's going to be Daniels. Right now, it looks like Daniels

00:12:59going there. I will say, if Daniels goes number two, I don't think the Patriots have a bad option,

00:13:07generally speaking, on the table at three. I think May is a high-tier quarterback.

00:13:15If there's a world where they like J.J. McCarthy over Drake May, that's a bold choice. But if

00:13:19they're doing it, I prefer at least it's a young guy and also you have the trade option. I think

00:13:26any of those three, I can talk myself into. Right. Yeah. And that's a really good point.

00:13:32So we'll see. All right. And so here's what I had, right? And my dad texted me about this

00:13:36because my dad has mentioned on the show before. He hasn't mentioned it, but I've mentioned it. He

00:13:40mentioned to me on the show that he wants to move back into the first round. And he had talked about

00:13:49trading 68 and a first rounder next year. And I think Bertrand or someone had mentioned, I believe

00:13:56on EEI, doing that same thing. And, you know, I just, I don't, giving up a first round pick

00:14:08next year, I think is a mistake. Only for the reason that if the Patriots aren't good again,

00:14:16which they might not be, you might be looking at, you know, a situation where the Patriots are,

00:14:23um, you know, drafting top 10 again, and you've traded a first round pick next year.

00:14:28So I'm not on board with that. I am however, on board with what I did here, which is I traded

00:14:3334 and I traded a second round pick next year. Now, again, still a lot to give up. Okay. But

00:14:40hear me out. Here's why. Okay. If you look at the draft order, right. If you look at the NFL draft

00:14:47order and the big, here's the big thing about the draft order, right? What you have to consider

00:14:53about this is that the Vikings have picked 23. They're not moving 23. They traded for it, right?

00:15:00And maybe they've made a trade and maybe they haven't to move up or something like that, but

00:15:04highly unlikely you're going to get 23. 24 is Dallas. I assume Dallas is going to want to take

00:15:11a tackle at 24. You would think, especially if a good one is there. 25 is green Bay. So again,

00:15:18they might take a tackle. David Bakhtiari, you know, left this year. Tampa's probably not going

00:15:24to take a tackle, you know? And so, but anyway, so the idea was I wanted, I needed to get ahead of

00:15:29Dallas and I didn't think 23 was a possibility. So I had to go all the way from 34 to 22. That's

00:15:35a big jump. And so I said, well, if you're going up 12 spots, give up 34, give up a second round

00:15:40pick next year. And, and that's what I did. Um, and so I moved up and I took Troy Fontenot

00:15:50from Washington left tackle. He is strong as a bull. He's got great athletic ability. Um,

00:15:59man, some of his, like some of his blocks in space are just sick, just sick. Um,

00:16:05he's super smooth. Yeah. And so I don't know if he'll be there at 22. It,

00:16:11I really don't know if he'll be there at 22, but he might be. And if he is, I think then that's

00:16:15a situation where the Patriots move up. And I think that this makes sense. If one of those

00:16:19guys starts dropping, whether it's older for Shanu, whether it's Fontenot. And again, some,

00:16:25the problem with the other guys is that there are some really good tackles, but those guys are

00:16:30mostly right tackles. Even Amari's mims played right tackle in college. So like, you know,

00:16:35it's yeah, those guys are projections, but it's like, they're going to have to change positions

00:16:40where it's like for Shanu and Fontenot played left tackle. They're left tackles, right. Um,

00:16:46and so, you know, that to me is, is more beneficial for the Patriots because that's what they need is

00:16:52left tackle. So anyways, I had to move it up to 22 to take Fontenot. Um, and I, I liked the idea

00:16:59of it because again, and I know people say wide receiver and I get it. I want a wide receiver too,

00:17:04but you have a big hole at left tackle. And right now, I don't know how you feel about

00:17:10Chuck Sikora for as you're starting left tackle. I don't feel great about it, you know? And so

00:17:16I want a guy that can be that dominant player. And I think Fontenot has a chance to be that guy.

00:17:21Well, now I like moving up this trade that you did in general. I think regardless of who it is,

00:17:27I like the idea of if you take Drake May and you feel like you have, um, a quarterback,

00:17:33if there's a tackle or a wide receiver, or it's some crazy world where it's Brock Bowers who ends

00:17:39up falling and there's somebody in the twenties who you like, who you think can be either someone

00:17:46that can protect your quarterback that you take or somebody that can be a big name target for him.

00:17:53I like the idea of moving up to go get somebody like that. Um, not always the biggest fan of

00:17:59trading up in drafts. I think it can be incredibly risky, but this is one of those

00:18:02situations where I think it makes sense if it's, you know, somebody who's a fit and like, I don't,

00:18:08I don't know if there's a receiver I would do it for Brian Thomas jr. Maybe I wouldn't do it for

00:18:11A.D. Mitchell. Um, I would obviously do it for any of the top three if they force, uh, that is,

00:18:17that's a move I'm really considering. And tackle to me is such a weird, weird positional group in

00:18:23this draft because I like, I like so many players and usually for tackle, it's hard to find guys

00:18:32outside of the first round. And this is one of the first drafts in a while where I feel like

00:18:35you can get a really solid starter in round two or three. Um, so maybe trading up for a tackle

00:18:43wasn't the best move, but it's also, you know, the guys who I'm talking about, the solid starters are

00:18:46not necessarily left hackles. Um, and that's, that's the biggest issue I have. I mean, even

00:18:51like Fuaga, who a lot of people are super high on, he's a right tackle. And so like, he's a

00:18:56really good player, but he doesn't fit the needs of the Patriots have right. J.C. Latham mostly

00:19:02played right tag, but look, put left tackle a bit, but I think mostly played right tackle.

00:19:07Jordan Morgan is a right tackle. Tyler Guyton is a right tackle. Like that's the issue that I have

00:19:11is like, you know, and Amagashi is the guy that, you know, everyone kind of Amagashi and, uh,

00:19:17summa summa summa tie. Yeah. Thank you. Summa D I'm like, Matt said it a million times. I got

00:19:25this. And then I didn't have it. Um, I think, but I think for having pronunciation guides and

00:19:31love it, absolutely love it. Um, but I think those two guys are, are guys that

00:19:35fit into that spot, right? Where it makes a lot of sense. And Kingsley is a guy that,

00:19:40that almost everyone has, has had mocked to them at some point. Um, and so,

00:19:44you know, when I think, I think so much that he is interesting because he was left tackle

00:19:49last year, but he was a right tackle the year before. And, um, some would argue he was better

00:19:54at right time as a run blocker. He looks a lot more comfortable on the right side. Um,

00:20:00Jordan Morgan, I think, I think Jordan Morgan played left tackle, but the issue with the issue

00:20:06with Morgan is he might play left guard in the NFL. He's got shorter arms and, um, might not

00:20:12necessarily be the kind of guy that you want. Um, Patrick Paul is another interesting name in

00:20:17here who he's a true left tackle, um, super experienced, super solid, probably never going

00:20:26to be like a top eight left tackle in the NFL. Yeah. I think you feel good about the odds of

00:20:31him landing somewhere in the, is a mid tier left tackle starter. Um, and there's been noise on him,

00:20:37you know, everything from end of round one to end of round three. And that's how it is for all of

00:20:43these guys. Like so much, you know, some guys hate him. Some guys love him. Uh, Jordan Morgan

00:20:49is going to be about scheme fit. Tyler Guyton is going to be about scheme. Marius Mims is all going

00:20:54to be about, you know, the, the huge number of question marks in his profile. Um, so you put it

00:21:01all together and it's just like, you got a lot of guys who might be asked to change positions at the

00:21:05next level, guys who were scheme specific guys who are different ages. And because of that, you

00:21:11know, don't be surprised if one of these tackles we're talking about last until the third round,

00:21:15don't be surprised if a guy we're talking about as a third round or goes at pick like,

00:21:19you know, 37, uh, you know, that, that tackle you're hoping the Patriots to get at 68 goes

00:21:25at 37. And you're like Blake Fisher, you know, those guys are right. Tackle who I think can

00:21:29kick to the left side. Who's developmental. Where's he going to go? Nobody really knows.

00:21:33Right. Right. Yeah. No, it fish is a good one because he played left tackle, got hurt,

00:21:38lost his spot to Joe wall and then, and then bounced over to the right. So he went to college

00:21:42as a left tackle. Could he play left tackle in the NFL? We don't know. Right. And so that's,

00:21:47that's the question that we have. And, you know, of course, Joe, all it's the number one tackle in

00:21:50the class. And so it's like, well, yeah, he wasn't playing left tackle because Joe was better than

00:21:55him left tackle, but that doesn't mean he's still not, he still couldn't, not really a criticism.

00:21:59Right. Right. And so that's, you know, that situation. So anyways, all right. So I move

00:22:03up there. I don't have a pick all the way to 68. Then I traded 68. I said, you know,

00:22:07when I'm trading 60, let's move down a little bit. The wide receiver situation in the third

00:22:14round is not ideal. By the way, I only moved down nine spots, picked up an extra fifth round or

00:22:19moved down nine spots with Vegas. I took Jermaine Burton. Um, I had taken Javon Baker in a previous

00:22:26draft. And so I know that's a guy that people really like in the third round. Um, but I decided

00:22:32on, on Burton because he's a guy that shouldn't be available in the third round. I don't even know

00:22:39if he's going to be on the Patriots draft board. If we're being completely honest, I think, you

00:22:43know, the word is that the staffs in Georgia and Alabama both hated him. Right. And so like he

00:22:52walked out, he loved the bad days in both their mouths. He just doesn't seem like a, like a hard

00:22:57worker. He doesn't kind of, and so that's an issue. He's a talented, talented receiver. And so

00:23:05at a certain point, either a team is going to bet on that, that he, that they'll find that talented

00:23:12receiver in there somewhere, or a team is going to look at it and say, at this point, it's worth

00:23:18taking the flyer because the guys around him are not guys that can, that can do it. Right. And so

00:23:26I think that, you know, it's that it's the balance of, you know, of where, where should he go?

00:23:33Look, 77 might be too high, but that's, that's where I am.

00:23:36Well, I think what's interesting about this, um, is that, you know, you go back two years and they

00:23:41just passed on George Pickens for character issues. Jermaine Burton, I don't think has,

00:23:46he's different character issues. Um, like still like just immaturity in the locker room, but I

00:23:50think it's a slightly different type of person. Um, also, you know, worse production. He wasn't

00:23:56the, like George Pickens was, uh, a borderline first round quality talent who got dinged for

00:24:01character stuff. Jermaine Burton is a second or third round talent who's getting dinged for that

00:24:06stuff. And his production also fell because Jalen Milrow was, um, a work in progress quarterback,

00:24:12a guy who got a lot better throughout the year for Alabama, but for much of the year was

00:24:16really rough around the edges. Um, I like this bet. Um, I don't know if he's going to be on the

00:24:22draft board. That's, that's the only thing. Um, cause I clearly Pickens wasn't. So will Burton

00:24:29be, um, and do they, it's a different player. It's a different year. It's a different person

00:24:34calling the shots and we've seen how 2022 went. So they made changes. Do they want to go a

00:24:40different way with this or are they still character first? And I don't think there's

00:24:45necessarily a wrong answer to that. It's more so how much risk are you willing to take in your

00:24:50approach? Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's kind of where I was at with it. And I, the other thing

00:24:54for me is that I feel like with Kendrick Bourne there, you have a strong vocal leader in the wide

00:25:00receiver room already that can kind of help bring guys along. It seems like everyone's following

00:25:06Kendrick Bourne now. Um, and that's kind of, that's where I looked at it and said, okay,

00:25:12I like that idea. So by the way, Nelson's asking about, um, Brennan rice and that's,

00:25:17he's almost the guy I took at seventies. I almost did it. And then I was like, nah,

00:25:23I pivoted off it. And I probably should have looking back, um, probably would have been a

00:25:27better break than Burton, but I want to burn. So, uh, cam heart in the fourth round, I'm just

00:25:32going to, I'm going to kind of go through these. We've talked about cam heart on here before

00:25:35physical, big, long corner, an outside guy. People have concerns about his quickness and

00:25:44his speed, but I think you saw it at the senior bowl that he could stick with guys, um, pretty

00:25:49well. And so, you know, he's not going to lock people up necessarily, but he locked up Tez

00:25:53Walker a few times, um, you know, in senior bowl reps. So I'm going to be honest going through

00:25:59Tez Walker's team. I'm not a hundred percent sure how much of an accomplishment to that is,

00:26:03um, but you know, that's the thing I he's big, he's long, he can shut down guys who were just

00:26:09big and long on the outside. And there's a corner two in this league. Who's also a team captain

00:26:14loved in the locker room. That's valuable. It's a scheme piece near secondary. Like that's valuable.

00:26:20Yep. And that's right. Consensus pulpit guy, I think is cam heart. Yes. Um, and then I'm just

00:26:25going to blow through these last few guys, Mike McCormick from South Dakota state. If you haven't

00:26:30watched Mike, Mike McCormick from South Dakota state, do yourself a favor, search it up on

00:26:36YouTube or search it up on Twitter. This guy just levels people. He is like a throwback. He's got

00:26:42the huge like neck roll in the back. He is so much fun to watch Mike McCormick from South Dakota

00:26:49state. Just an absolute blast dude. Oh, did I say Mike? Sorry, Mason McCormick. My, my apologies,

00:26:56my apologies. I wrote Mike McCormick here. Cause I'm an idiot. Um, it is Mason McCormick. I wrote

00:27:02it correctly in the, in the, uh, in the, in the draft, but I wrote Mike here for some reason.

00:27:07Um, J Alex hunt from Houston Baptist who, again, we've talked about a guy that made the transition

00:27:13from safety all the way to outside linebacker can play a little bit on the edge, obviously has some

00:27:18concerns against the run. Um, but you know, is a guy that can get after the passer. I like him a

00:27:25lot. Tana McLaughlin tight end from Arizona who again, you know, missed a ton of time this year

00:27:33because of injuries. He's a big dude runs pretty well. Yeah. Take a shot in the sixth round on him.

00:27:41Bob means who we've mentioned a million times on here before big guy, physical wide receiver.

00:27:47Again, another, another, another consensus pulpit guy. And then I ended with Rashid Ali,

00:27:53uh, at Marshall Rashid Ali is a, um, is an interesting dude. He probably would be a lot

00:27:59higher if he wasn't injured literally all the time. Um, he's just, he's injured all the time.

00:28:04He, matter of fact, he went to the senior bowl, shrine bowl, I forget and, and got hurt again.

00:28:09And so, you know, ended up not, not, uh, running at the combine. So, you know, it's just a matter

00:28:15of that kid staying healthy. You taking a shot really in the seventh round, just to kind of say,

00:28:19Hey, you know, just take a look at this guy and see what we can do. Um, and so, you know, we'll

00:28:24see, but yeah, that's it. That's, that's the, uh, and that's, listen, honestly, barely. That's

00:28:29exactly what I'd said. A tight end that played at Arizona with injury history. Like, Hey, I mean,

00:28:33you never know last time, you know, he's, he's old, which is a little concerning, but he's a

00:28:39good athlete. Yeah. Which patients did add a tight end today, by the way, some, some former Bengals

00:28:44is a depth tight end. Um, the best thing, by the way, the best thing that that dude has done.

00:28:50Have you, did you see that the video that Keegan posted? No, I only saw what Taylor Kyle, he did

00:28:55is he did his gauntlet drill. He posted the gauntlet drill from, from the combine. And so

00:28:59he ran the gauntlet drill, caught the first pass and then started running and looked to his left.

00:29:04And although the first pass came from the right and it just drilled him in the side of the head,

00:29:08like absolutely drilled him in the side of the head. I didn't realize that was him. Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:14I remember that. That was hilarious. No, I like this mock. Um, it's a good, like you hit all the

00:29:21points. Um, it's good guys at every position. Um, I'm glad you took Burton over Brendan rice. I'm

00:29:27just not that big of a fan of rice. Um, what I will say is this, that USC coaching staff, I think

00:29:32did a terrible job last year when you get into the film. So it's possible there's some untapped

00:29:37potential in rice, but like, there's, there's a, there's that one little voice inside of you

00:29:43that's saying, Oh, he could be, you know, this year's Nico Collins. Right. Um, and then you

00:29:49watch him and it's like, I just don't think he's that athlete. Like, I don't think he has that in

00:29:54him. And if he doesn't, then he's just another mediocre guy outside the numbers who is an okay

00:30:02ball winner and an okay separator. And like, at that point we're talking about what, like a 2015

00:30:08Brandon LaFell on the outside is your ceiling. Like, I don't, um, I don't want to hate on

00:30:14Brendan rice too much because like it's, and you can obviously push past that if you know,

00:30:19you're a better athlete than you show on tape, or if you really grow and develop and push that

00:30:22technique. But I will say something tells me that Brendan rice of all people has gotten a lot of

00:30:27work on his technique from a very young age and may not necessarily may have already maxed some

00:30:33of that stuff out. You never know the pedigree is nice, but, um, I like, I like Burton there

00:30:39because I think he's a lot better than his production showed. And I think he got dinged

00:30:42a lot for the offense he played in the quarterback he played with. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So we'll

00:30:47see. We shall see. But anyways, that's what, that's the mock. Um, you can find it on Pat's

00:30:52pulpit. That was my, my final one, obviously of the, uh, of the off season. And it's been fun.

00:30:58I all, I love doing it. I last year, I think is when I had the idea to like draft a different

00:31:04guy in every draft. And, and again, the reason why is because you, there's so many players in

00:31:11the draft and, you know, in the first few rounds, you can only draft so many guys, but in the,

00:31:17in the fourth and fifth and sixth and seventh round, you're just taking flyers on guys.

00:31:21And some guys, people were like, wait, who is that? And so they're guys that, you know,

00:31:26I would have never heard about until I kind of went deep looking for guys. And, you know,

00:31:32I think of like Hayden Hatton and a hundred Nor's ad and Jaylen green and a name dock one, like

00:31:40Casey Washington and like Khalid Duke. These are dudes that I would have never, ever like

00:31:47looked up. Right. And yet here I am. And I'm like, Oh, if that, when that guy gets drafted,

00:31:52I'm like, that guy's a stud. Like, I liked that guy. And of course, like they're all projections

00:31:55because it's late in the draft, but you start to, you start to like some of these later round guys.

00:32:01Um, and that's one of those things where it's like, okay, you know, I think it's worth it for

00:32:06me. It's worth it because it forces me to do a little bit more homework, but it's worth it for

00:32:10the readers as well, because you can go through and you can see now film on some guy and you're

00:32:14like, Oh, I put, he posted a clip about that guy. That guy looks interesting. Let's go search

00:32:19up this guy. And now all of a sudden you're like, Ooh, a name doc. Well, that dude's like

00:32:23six, eight, 375 pounds. That's really cool. Like, you know, like maybe he could, maybe he's good.

00:32:27Who knows, you know? And so, um, you know, so anyway, so that's, that's kind of, uh, that's,

00:32:33that's kind of the theory behind it, you know? So, yeah. Um, I know, I know we're going to do

00:32:39fan mocks. I know we got to take a break. Do we want to talk about the Diana Rossini tweet earlier?

00:32:48Yes. So let's take a break first. We'll come back. We'll talk about Diana Rossini. We'll

00:32:52talk about what we think the Patriots are going to do at three. Um, what we think,

00:32:58okay, what we think they should do and what we think they will do. Right. So two different

00:33:06things, maybe two different things, maybe the same thing. I don't know. Uh, before we take the

00:33:09break and I'm going to mention this, I'm going to mention this a few more times, but take a look at

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00:33:19uh, I'm a big fan of the, uh, of the forever new England patch. Like how sick is that dude?

00:33:26And having, having all the stayed out ones with the, uh, with the Patriot on it is dope.

00:33:31So this is the official Patriots draft hat. We are going to be giving this away

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00:35:31ton of fun. Okay. It's going to be a ton of fun. Um, so, and Matt, yeah, you said you get, you

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00:36:022021 and that might've been the first year we did it. Uh, and there's a great clip of, of, uh,

00:36:07I think it's me, Taylor, Mark Schofield and, uh, Ryan, um, and Ryan from Pat's bullpen. No,

00:36:17no, no. Uh, for God's sakes, I can't even remember. Wow. What the hell is this? I just

00:36:24totally brain farted, but nevertheless, Ryan was a host on, on Pat's for a while. Um, and he's on

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00:36:43like, I'm going to be sick. And so it was rough. It was rough. And we turned out by the way we

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00:39:22And then I don't know, it doesn't matter in some order we'll get through that. So let's do Diana

00:39:27Rossini first. I never seen any, of course, uh, today for anyone that missed it. Do you have the

00:39:31tweet in front of you, Matt, or do you want me to read it? Uh, if you have it, I don't have it in

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00:39:40Oh, there we go. It's a race. It's a little race. Yeah. This is riveting, riveting content right

00:39:45here for everyone. I'm sure I got it. Uh, Diana Rossini this afternoon tweeted New England

00:39:50Patriots are listening and taking calls from teams looking to move into three while Elliot

00:39:56Wolf is running point. I'm told Patriots president Jonathan Kraft is heavily involved in the decision

00:40:03making. Oh my God. I mean, what the hell dude? That's like the last thing you want to hear.

00:40:14Like the very last thing you want to hear it's freaking Jonathan Kraft being in. This is not,

00:40:23no, you're the owner. Shut up and sit in the corner. Like stop it. And here's the thing.

00:40:31It's going to be the pick that starts off, you know, this next era, the owner is going to be

00:40:36involved. I have no issue with the owner being involved. So when you throw that heavily in there

00:40:42to me implies some actual say on the decision making, like if it's involved,

00:40:48but if Jonathan Kraft isn't involved, involved might mean that he is just like listening on

00:40:53the phone conversations when trade offers comes in and just like, you know, making sure he knows

00:40:58what's going on in the process, heavily involved is like getting involved. And honestly, to me,

00:41:04the biggest concern here with this, um, it does seem like the impetus, like it's sort of the

00:41:11crafts want to win now. They don't, they want to win as soon as possible. Um, which side note before

00:41:17I go forward on this, we didn't talk about it on the last episode, but the other thing that came

00:41:21out in that report about bill Belichick was that Robert Kraft wanted him gone after 2022.

00:41:26And Jonathan was the one that talked him into having him stay, which I think, you know,

00:41:31we're talking what eight, nine, one game out of the playoffs. Obviously there's a lot of context

00:41:36around how that happened. Um, that leads you to a point where the owner wants you out, but it also,

00:41:41you know, the goal here is to be in the playoffs every year. The standards are very high from this

00:41:46ownership. And my concern is that if they're at three and they're like the quarterback,

00:41:52quarterback goes at two and they don't like the quarterbacks on the board and they got an offer

00:41:56from Minnesota with a boatload of first round picks. Ownership is saying, Hey, we need a

00:42:00quarterback. You know, we need a quarterback, you know, in that meeting, we need a quarterback.

00:42:06Right. I'm not telling you, you can't take the trade, but saying we need a quarterback.

00:42:11Um, and what, what was the point? What is the point of having Elliot Wolf if you're not actually

00:42:16going to let him do what he wants to do? Right. Right. And that's, that's the biggest concern.

00:42:21Right. And I, I just, I don't know how they feel. My, my gut is telling me that they actually

00:42:30prefer Jaden Daniels to Drake may, but I do think that they, here's the thing. I think that

00:42:37they like both guys. The issue is you need to have patience with the guy like Drake may, I think you

00:42:45need to have some patience. And so, you know, I don't, the hard part for me is this if Minnesota

00:42:54or the giants, because supposedly the giants are in on this too. If the giants or Minnesota

00:43:01gets extra aggressive and is willing to make a crazy trade to the craft, say, no, we need a

00:43:11quarterback because if they do now you're sitting there saying, well, yes, sure. We need a quarterback

00:43:21fine. But like, we have a guy that we think can be good, but we don't know for sure,

00:43:29but this team is mortgaging their future. To come up and get this guy. Now, especially if it's the

00:43:36giants, you're at six now with the giants and giant, the giants are willing to trade you six

00:43:42and just, let's just say it's six in their second round, picking their first next year.

00:43:48That's, that's a pretty big hall. And maybe it's an extra, you throw an extra pick in there as

00:43:53well, right? You're moving back three spots. Now you're not getting the quarterback anymore,

00:44:00but what you're guaranteeing yourself at six is one of three guys, JJ McCarthy. If you like him,

00:44:08if you like him, JJ McCarthy, Joe wall, or Marvin Harrison Jr. One of those three guys has to be

00:44:15available at, at six. Right. And I'll add you in all I do and other guys too, you know, if they

00:44:21like Brock Bowers, if they like Odunzay or neighbors as the receiver, if they like, you know,

00:44:26let's say Joe comes off the board in there somewhere, if they like Olufasinu or somebody

00:44:32else involved in the tackle room, you know, you get, depending on how this goes, either the second

00:44:37or the third best offensive player on your big board, you can just take there. And there's also

00:44:42a possibility if I'm the Patriots and you move three, and then let's just say that four sits

00:44:50there. The problem is that LA, I think wants to move out. LA wants to move out. They want

00:44:56to draft an offensive line and they could draft you all to five, but that's rich.

00:45:01And so I think, I wonder if the Vikings would then try to move up to five,

00:45:06because I'm thinking if you're at six and you don't love what's sitting there, you could now

00:45:11take six and trade that back to Minnesota. And now you're at 11 and 23 and you pick up an extra

00:45:16first. Now you're talking about three first round picks next year. The problem is that like,

00:45:20do you need all those? Like, then it becomes like, all right, we're just stockpiling picks.

00:45:24So you got to take someone at some point. Right. And so it's like,

00:45:27a lot of that is also going to be based on, you know, how their board looks,

00:45:30how many players do they have graded highly? If they have, they have a whole bunch of tackles

00:45:35that they really like and they know, you know, whether you're at six or 11, you're taking one

00:45:40of these tackles you really like, then sure, go for it. If you think you're taking best player

00:45:45available and you think it's a big drop from six to 11, it's going to take you a lot to move off

00:45:50that spot, I think. But yeah, no, I think, I think there's a lot of trades on the table and I think

00:45:56I don't like the idea of ownership meddling in that whatsoever. I'll also say this is from Andrew

00:46:01Callahan earlier today, who laid this out really nicely. Robert Kraft on January 17th said that

00:46:07Jonathan is not involved, Jonathan Kraft, not involved in the day-to-day operations. He also

00:46:11said on January 17th that ownership's input will be the same input that we've had the last three

00:46:16decades. Elliot Wolf said on February 27th that ultimately football decision-making is down to

00:46:22he and Gerard Mayo. Gerard Mayo, March 25th, they as an ownership don't want to be involved

00:46:28in football decisions. Right. Either. None of that is true or the heavy involvement that

00:46:36was talked about there somehow doesn't include any kind of decision-making and is just, you know,

00:46:43Jonathan Kraft is in on every single phone call that's being made.

00:46:46Right. Right. Which is true. And that's, so it's going to be interesting. It's going to be

00:46:52interesting to see what happens, you know, and what they decide to do. And again, I just think

00:46:58if you're the Patriots and you don't look, let's just say Jaden Daniels, let's say they're all in

00:47:02on Jaden Daniels and he goes to, and you're sitting there at three and you don't love Drake

00:47:07May. Now, again, I'm on record and we're going to talk about this in a minute. I'm on record as

00:47:12that's the guy I want at three, but if they're not sold on him and someone else is, then you move

00:47:21out. And, you know, a report came out today or yesterday that the Patriots were thinking about

00:47:27moving back and taking Michael Pennix. And maybe they do that. Maybe they stick with that and do

00:47:30that. I don't know. Right. But again, it becomes a situation where you look at it and you say,

00:47:37okay, yeah, sure. Maybe that's what they decide to do, but you know, I'm not sure

00:47:45if that's really where, if that's where they want to go with it. Right. And maybe again,

00:47:50the issue that I have, we say he's heavily involved. What does that mean? So, so first of all,

00:47:56who's making that initial, who's making that initial report

00:48:00saying that the crafts aren't involved, that the craft is that coming from the crafts,

00:48:05right? And maybe that's coming from the crafts and they're saying, no, no, no, no, no,

00:48:08we're not involved. And then someone else is saying, well, yes, but yeah, they're pretty

00:48:15involved. Right. And Robert and Jonathan are basically telling us you got to draft a quarterback

00:48:20at three because you can't win without a quarterback. And that's true. You can't win

00:48:24without a quarterback. I, I agree wholeheartedly with that, though. I think the Niners have done

00:48:31a pretty good job of doing it. And the Eagles won a Superbowl without a really good quarterback

00:48:34and whatever we can go down the list, but like realistically to have a realistic shot,

00:48:40you need a good quarterback. I get that, but you also got to trust your evaluators and know that

00:48:44they know what they're doing. And if they're not high on Drake may, and they think that he

00:48:48doesn't have the potential to be that guy, then you can't draft them. Right. Regardless of how

00:48:53I feel about them, then how would I know? You know what I mean? And so that that's the issue

00:48:57that I have. Well, yeah, there's two different conversations going on here because there's

00:49:01the one conversation that's the process conversation, which is internally, how are

00:49:05you arriving at your decision? And then there's the second conversation, which is, is that decision

00:49:10a good decision? This is all in the process side and I don't like it when ownership is meddling

00:49:17in things. So I hope that it's not, you know, I, I would guess from the context of this tweet

00:49:22in the context, it was made in the context of trades. I'm guessing this report came from

00:49:27outside of the building, probably from another team. And I'm going to guess that's because when

00:49:31they've been having trade discussions, Jonathan Kraft has been involved in that in some capacity.

00:49:35And we don't know what that is, you know? And it's, I will say if it's one thing,

00:49:38if Jonathan Kraft is using his leverage as part of ownership in negotiating talks for trade packages,

00:49:46you know, that's, that is fine to me because that's more of the business side of things to

00:49:50an extent. And I think using his expertise in negotiating there, or at least his background in

00:49:55that should help. If it's every time we want to talk to somebody in New England's front office,

00:50:01we're being redirected to Jonathan Kraft's office. That I think is a lot more concerning.

00:50:07And obviously, you know, there's no way to know. But I also think, you know, some reports,

00:50:13some leaks this time of year, I look at and I'm like, all right, well, that's obviously motivated

00:50:16by something that reports out there for a reason, or somebody wants this piece of information

00:50:20public. Nobody wants this information public, which tells me it's probably true. You know,

00:50:25the Kraft's don't want this out there after they spent the last couple of months talking about how

00:50:28they're not going to be involved. And you know, Mayo and Wolf don't want this out there.

00:50:36So nobody inside the building wants this out there. And it's out there,

00:50:39which tells me I think the reporting is very likely to be accurate on this.

00:50:43Also, I want to add one other thing here, which is that we've heard, I think,

00:50:47rumors about Elliot Wolf kind of almost having the job, like, you know, not in an interim basis,

00:50:53but like he is the GM right now. And then they're going to almost reevaluate later

00:50:57the summer or something or later in the spring. Like there's been discussions about that. I know,

00:51:01I don't know how much is hard and fast. And the other thing you worry about here is that

00:51:06even if ownership isn't really trying to meddle in the process that much,

00:51:11Elliot Wolf is sitting there saying, well, I might have to, you know,

00:51:15re-interview for this position in a couple of months. And I know from what the owners have

00:51:21said publicly that they want a quarterback. I'm going to let that impact my decision-making

00:51:26because I want to make sure I actually get to keep this job. That's also an issue that you can't,

00:51:31you really can't have, you know, you're paying these guys, what, hundreds of thousands of dollars,

00:51:35millions, I don't know how much these guys actually make to make these decisions.

00:51:40Let them make the decisions. If they fail, let them fail on their own merits.

00:51:44Yeah. I look, I agree with you and yeah, realistically, I mean, this is, I feel the

00:51:52same way, like allow him to make the decision, right? Like you're giving them this opportunity

00:52:00and, and you're using this essentially as one extended interview. Right. And so like,

00:52:10instead of, I don't know, instead of letting them interview,

00:52:12I would just step in and do it for him. That's silly. So there were a few questions though.

00:52:17Brian Hammond, uh, says 1123 next year's first and Christian D'Ariso for three.

00:52:23I think, I think you almost have to take that, right? Yes. Yes. Because if you, if you get that,

00:52:31that means you have fixed your left tackle and you have all those extra firsts. I mean,

00:52:38that means at 11, if you want, you can take like Brian Thomas jr. You can reach on him a little,

00:52:43if you want to receive her powers, like if he is there or, you know, you can take a defender there,

00:52:50depending on how this board falls. If that means you get the opportunity to take the first or

00:52:56second defender on your board at 11 and you can still use 23 for receiver who might end up being

00:53:03there anyway. Um, and you get two firsts next year. Yeah. I think that is, that is incredibly

00:53:09hard to pass up. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. And TD mentions here that, uh, Minnesota might

00:53:15be super motivated, may include Jefferson and two number ones. If Justin Jefferson's in there,

00:53:21you just smash the accept button, smash, smash the accept. I don't, I don't think there's a world in

00:53:28which Justin Jefferson gets traded here because part of this is that one of the reasons Minnesota

00:53:32wants the rookie quarterback is because they're about to pay Justin Jefferson. They're going to

00:53:36give Justin Jefferson all this money and they want a cheap quarterback to offset that. So trading the

00:53:41expensive asset you want to keep to get the cheap asset that doesn't make sense. They're not going

00:53:46to do it. I think, I think Addison and Justin Jefferson are off the table. I think Daris is

00:53:50also probably off the table. I think if you're getting Daris on, you might not get 23 in the

00:53:57trade. Uh, it might be a one or the other kind of thing, because if they don't get there, if they

00:54:01got to give up Daris, uh, they're going to want a first rounder this year so that they can still

00:54:06get a tackle. Right. But the, the Daris thing though, is that they haven't given them the

00:54:11fifth year extension just yet. They have still haven't. Now they, they have until May 2nd

00:54:15technically to decide, but they haven't given them that fifth year option yet. And.

00:54:21You know, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to be expensive after this year.

00:54:25Right. And so he's essentially on an expiring contract. Now that doesn't mean they're not

00:54:29going to sign them, but you know, I don't, I don't know if they're willing to give him a big

00:54:37time contract extension, whereas the Patriots might, and maybe they won't, maybe the Patriots

00:54:42are saying we don't, we're not going to pay him a ton of money either. So we don't want them,

00:54:45but you know, I don't know. But even then, I think they're still, I think if, I think if

00:54:49Daris is included, it's probably going to be, you know, 11, the first to next year, a second,

00:54:55this, I don't have a second this year, a third this year, a second next year in Daris type of

00:55:01thing. I think that's probably what you're looking at instead of 23, just because there's no way

00:55:07Minnesota is going to want to give that and Daris off because Daris himself is probably worth a

00:55:11first round or on his own. So that's going to be tough theoretically. And that's, that's the thing

00:55:16is that, you know, but again, it just depends on, it just depends on what they think. So,

00:55:23so we'll see, you know, and then DJ TJ Daniel mentioned, you know, 11, 23 and Jefferson for

00:55:28three and 34, which again, I just, I can't imagine a world where they trade Justin Jefferson. I just

00:55:36don't, it doesn't make any sense to me. And I think you're following like Carolina did this last

00:55:41year where Carolina traded DJ more, their best receiver to move up to number one. And then they

00:55:48were like, well, you know what? We could really use midway through the season. They were like,

00:55:52we can really use a number one receiver. And it's like, yeah, you just treated him, you dummy.

00:55:56And so like, and now Minnesota has Jordan Addison, who's very good, but like,

00:56:00he's not just Jefferson. And so it's like the whole point is that you have Jefferson and Jordan

00:56:06Addison, right? And so the Vikings don't even have a number two next year. So that's the thing is

00:56:11like, it just, it becomes difficult. I can't imagine they're ever going to move on from

00:56:15Jefferson to Jefferson, but I can see them doing it with Darrisaw. And I can see the Patriots

00:56:20saying, look, if you want Drake may that bad, you're going to trade us 11 and 23 and Christian

00:56:27Darrisaw and your first time pick next year. And you know what, if you don't want to do that,

00:56:32we're going to draft me instead. Well, I guess, you know, I guess this, this becomes the question,

00:56:38if there's two minutes left on that draft clock and the Vikings are saying, we're not going to

00:56:42budge. We're not giving up a player. It's 11, 23 and a future first, you know, that's the basis

00:56:47of this deal or trade's not happening. The Patriots are on the board and they don't like

00:56:52the quarterback. What do you do? Because that, then you, you can accidentally, like, this is

00:56:59where the art of negotiating is big. Cause you can also accidentally box yourself into a situation

00:57:02where you just got to take, you know, Marvin Harrison at three, which is a fine consolation

00:57:06prize. You know, I wouldn't be upset with that, but yeah, I, the other part of this is that like,

00:57:12I think it gets, I think if there's, you're going to see a player involved in one of these trades,

00:57:16it's going to be negotiated before draft night because including that in draft night, it's just

00:57:21a lot trickier to do. So I would assume if it's, you know, 5.00 PM on Thursday, no deal has been

00:57:30made and there's no rumors about a deal being made that involves a player from Minnesota,

00:57:35like coming from Minnesota people are coming from Adam Schefter or whatever.

00:57:38Assume any deal is going to be just picks. And I would assume that for the giants, I would assume

00:57:44that for the Raiders, they're trying to come up. If somehow the Broncos decide they want to get

00:57:48involved in this, you know, whoever it is, it's coming up. I think it's wise to assume it'll just

00:57:53be picks involved. So you're right. But I do think that I'm pretty sure AJ Brown was traded on draft

00:58:01night. I'm almost positive. But I believe that was a trade that was made on draft night.

00:58:07It was, but that's, that was like a straight pick for player thing. This is more of a bidding war

00:58:14situation for a pick. I don't think teams are going to be itching to throw in players to go

00:58:19get the pick. I think they're just going to keep adding on draft capital until somebody

00:58:23hits the magic number. That's fair. That is fair. So, and again, I think that you're right. So the

00:58:29Patriots, yeah. If that conversation is ongoing, that could be a situation where they say,

00:58:33no, we're not. The flip side of the AJ Brown thing is because they knew they weren't going

00:58:37to extend him and they were trying to move him. If for whatever reason, the Vikings say,

00:58:40we know we can't get a deal done with Justin Jefferson and we're trying to move him,

00:58:44then yeah, no, he's available here. I just, I think you would hear some kind of rumors

00:58:49about that before draft night. Yeah. No, and that, that might be true. And so,

00:58:53so we'll see. I just, I think it's really interesting and allegedly, right. And people

00:58:58in the comments, multiple people in the comments are saying that there's a bidding war going on

00:59:01right now. And if that's the case, I think I like Drake may a lot. I think Drake may can be

00:59:08a really good starting quarterback in the NFL, even an elite starting quarterback in the NFL.

00:59:13I don't know if he'll ever get there. If you're getting insane package,

00:59:19I think you have to take it. And that's the situation. That's the thing that I'd look at

00:59:23and say, will the crafts say, okay, to that we're not getting the quarterback,

00:59:30but it's okay that we're not getting the quarterback because we're getting this huge

00:59:35package and we can build the rest of the offense. And if, listen, if you want to take Michael

00:59:39Pennix at 23 or 34, fine. If that's what you want, we'll do it. But like, we're getting all of this

00:59:46future draft capital and we're going to try to use that to, you know, to make ourselves better

00:59:54and in turn create a better situation for our starting quarterback. Look at Chicago

01:00:01and Chicago was a situation where, you know, Chicago is a really good situation for the

01:00:09number one pick a really good situation for Caleb Williams. And that's because they had the number

01:00:14one pick. They moved down last year. They acquired a pick from a bad team. And I don't think, I don't

01:00:20think Minnesota is a bad team, but you know, I don't know. Um, but they acquired a pick from a

01:00:28bad team and now they have the number one pick and they acquired offensive talent last year.

01:00:33They traded for, for DJ Moore. Now they've traded for Keenan Allen. They signed or they drafted a,

01:00:38you know, a solid tackle. And so if you can build that thing around them, you never know what's

01:00:45going to happen. Remember Joe borrow was directed to be a fifth round pick before the year started.

01:00:48Yeah. He had a great year and just drafted number one overall. So it could happen. Quinn Ewers could

01:00:55take a big step forward this year. He could now he may not, I don't think he's going to, but he

01:01:00might. And then you may be looking at saying, well, couldn't yours is a beast. And you know

01:01:05what I mean? So that's, that's where I look at it and think like, okay, you know, there's a chance

01:01:10for the Patriots. When I think the other part of this is like, if you have a quarterback problem

01:01:16and you take a quarterback that you don't think is going to be very good,

01:01:19you still have a quarterback problem. You haven't done anything to address that problem.

01:01:23You may have addressed your backup quarterback problem. Sure. But you haven't addressed your

01:01:28starting quarterback problem. I think that's like, that's like the core part of this is who they

01:01:34think actually can address that. And if we want to give like predictions on what's going to happen

01:01:38Thursday night, you know, I think, I think they like some, but not all of the options available

01:01:43quarterback. And if whoever we like is available at three, they're just going to take the guy,

01:01:50and whoever it is, isn't, they're going to trade back big time and they get a big deal for it.

01:01:58And I think it's just going to be, you know, I think we're going to find out on draft night,

01:02:02which one of the guys that is, they like based on who's available. And I, I kind of feel like they

01:02:07like May and they don't like Daniels at this point. That's kind of my guess, but I can't

01:02:12quite get a read on it. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and I I'm, I'm interested with that. Um, I don't know

01:02:18how they feel about JJ McCarthy. I feel like they don't like Michael Penix. It's just a feeling that

01:02:24I get. They really didn't talk to him much. They did have them want like, but they've shown very

01:02:30little to no interest in Michael Penix. Um, yeah, they have the number three overall pick.

01:02:35He's not going third. So like, you know, that's, it's one of those things and TD is saying that,

01:02:42you know, if Penix didn't have the two ACLs, it'd be number one. And he would not because

01:02:45Caleb Williams is the clear number one pick. He might be number two, maybe, but Jane Daniels

01:02:51gives you something that other guys don't have, which is that real speed and wiggle that other

01:02:58guys does. And so I can see a team liking him over Penix, regardless of the injury situation.

01:03:03And again, we can say if Penix didn't have the two ACLs, but he does like, that's a big deal.

01:03:11You know what I mean? Like beyond that, even if he didn't have the injury, so he's still a

01:03:15quarterback with okay. Accuracy who was, um, a little bit slow as a decision maker last year,

01:03:22isn't great in creating in crowded pockets. Um, who was in an offense with elite talent and elite

01:03:30coaching last year and, uh, lead offensive line. Like they were fantastic. So in some ways,

01:03:37I'm almost less worried about the fact that Penix was injured, more worried about the fact that

01:03:41he's been in college for this long. He's played a lot of football and he still is, you know,

01:03:47slower than you'd like as a decision maker, still not super accurate. Like all the traits I listed,

01:03:51like he's experienced and he's worse at those things. And like, I like Drake May who is less

01:03:58experienced and better at those things. Like Drake may his accuracy issues. And he's more

01:04:02accurate, I think, than Michael Penix, at least to go by like Ben Solak's charting of that. Um,

01:04:08and it's like, all right, like I just, um, I, if you're not taking a quarterback at three,

01:04:13I just don't think you take a quarterback in this draft. Honestly.

01:04:16Yeah. I, I kind of feel the same way. I kind of feel the same way. And if you don't,

01:04:23then just invest in everything else. Right. Right. And we'll see. And again,

01:04:26if Spencer's route, the drops to you and you want to take a flyer on, I'm sure if you trade back

01:04:31and you get 11 and 23 and you know, okay, you're at 34 and you're like, yeah, we don't love anyone

01:04:38at 34. We've already gotten two guys that we like, you know, tackle at 11 and in 23, you know,

01:04:45we take a, whatever, take a, you know, a wide receiver, let's say, okay, now you do, um,

01:04:53you know, you trade out a 34, move back a few spots, pick up a, you know, a day three pick,

01:04:58let's say any Jeff Spencer Rattler in the forties or something. Right. And so, and again, I'm not

01:05:03saying that's going to happen, but I'm just saying like, that's an example of something I think I

01:05:07could see happening where it's like, Hey, we don't love Spencer Rattler, but we at least take a

01:05:14chance on them. Right. And so Spencer Rattler in the forties, you're going to be, you might not

01:05:20see me Friday night. I know, I know, I know, I know, but you know, but I just think, I think

01:05:25that that's situation where we can look at it and say, Hey, there's, there's a path here to

01:05:30a quarterback. If you like him, if you don't, then don't draft him. But like, if you like this guy,

01:05:36Hey, we can take him here. But again, Rattler to me is a guy that's, that's a dart throw,

01:05:41start throw. And you know, it's look, I just, you know, I get it, but he's a dark issue.

01:05:48The issue for me with Rattler is like all the size concerns with the, or yeah, all the size

01:05:53concerns with a guy like JJ McCarthy apply to Rattler. Like he's not that big and he's like

01:06:00beat up guy who just has so many issues with his profile. And it's like, and he's older and it's

01:06:06just, you know, I don't understand. Like if you, if you got to pick one of them, I would just take

01:06:12McCarthy. If you have to pick like one or the other, yeah. McCarthy is going to be more expensive.

01:06:17I'd rather invest in that. You know, this is, we're looking at a spot like, I don't know if

01:06:22this were racing, you know, you need a car that can hit a certain mile per hour. Otherwise you

01:06:29don't have a chance in the race. And we're arguing about a car that's 50 miles per hour versus 70

01:06:34miles per hour. It's like, all right, like that's, if we're going to, if we're going to invest in one

01:06:38of these, yeah, it's more expensive to go get a car that goes 200 miles per hour, but that's what

01:06:41you need. So spend it. And if the car isn't that good, then you're going to invest later. But

01:06:47right. Yeah. And I know, I know I I'm lower on this QB class than a lot of other people are,

01:06:52but I just, I watched a lot of these guys and there's a lot of guys who have been in college

01:06:56for a long time for a reason. And I just, that scares me. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, we'll see,

01:07:05you know, um, that's, that's the scary part. And again, I think Drake may young player,

01:07:11he's young, he can learn cinema on the bench. So, so here's what would happen. Right. And I

01:07:16guess let's just get into it because we're, we're, we're running kind of late here,

01:07:20but here's what I'll just say. If it were me, if I were sitting there at three,

01:07:26assuming that Jaden Daniels goes number two, or forget about it. I think I'm taking Drake may at

01:07:32three. And if, and I'm probably taking Jaden Daniels at three, however, it's going to take

01:07:41less for me to move out of three. If it's Jaden Daniels, right. And I, but I think either way,

01:07:51if Minnesota gives a crazy offer, I'm moving regardless of regardless of who's there at three,

01:07:58if Minnesota makes a wild offer, I'm taking it because I think that both of these guys,

01:08:05okay. Both of these guys are projections. I'm not a hundred percent sold that they're going to end

01:08:14up being the guy, right. And so, you know, if you have an opportunity to get a ridiculous package,

01:08:22you take it. In my opinion, I don't know if the Patriots feel the same way.

01:08:27Um, I kind of feel, I kind of feel that they're taking the quarterback at three

01:08:34kind of no matter what, and maybe, and there's smoke that they're, they're listening to offers.

01:08:39And so they might take a crazy offer. I think that they're, they're trying to get that offer

01:08:43as high as they can possibly get it. My fear is that they're going to take may at three

01:08:50and that Minnesota who's one of JJ McCarthy all along is going to give some insane package to

01:08:57Arizona. And I'm going to look at, I'm going to sit there and I'm going to say,

01:09:04we turned down that package. You're going to be like, that's the, that's what I'm scared about

01:09:09is that, you know, they're going to give some crazy package and I'm going to sit there saying,

01:09:13oh my God, this is, this is going to be bad. And so, so we'll see, but, but that's, that's the

01:09:18thing for me is that I think, you know, and we may never know because, you know, it might get

01:09:22leaked out after the fact. Like Sashi Brown leaks out that they offered, you know, the number 10

01:09:27overall pick for Jimmy Garoppolo, which is like, shut up. Oh, you didn't Sashi Brown, like stop it.

01:09:32Um, but you know, that's, that's the problem. Um, but we'll see, we'll see what happens,

01:09:37but that's what I think is going to happen. And, and what I would, what I would do in my opinion.

01:09:42Yeah. Yeah. I think in some ways the ideal here, if you don't find the quarterback is trading back

01:09:47to six, if you can trade back to six, get a future first as part of it and get one of these

01:09:53top tier receivers. Uh, if Drake may is not on the table, I think that's your best. That's my

01:09:58favorite of the backup plans because you can get, if you had Romo Dundas to this team, um, even with

01:10:05the issues, the other issues that they have, you take a tackle at 34. Um, I think you have a chance

01:10:11to be a really, really, really good team outside of the quarterback position. And then it's just

01:10:16finding that, which is obviously easier said than done. But if you don't think you're finding it at

01:10:20three, then don't force it. Right. I like it. Yeah. And what do you think they will do?

01:10:26Um, I think it's going to be a one guy they like if he's there, they take them. If not trade out

01:10:32type of situation. Okay. I don't, I don't have no idea who that is. Well, and that's the thing.

01:10:37And so allegedly what people have said, what people have said is that about 12 hours out

01:10:43is when you hear what teams are really thinking Thursday, you mean bill Belichick.

01:10:49That's a great point. But Thursday morning, I do think that, um,

01:10:59that we'll find out kind of, you know, what, what Washington is thinking. And I think that's

01:11:07going to really decide what the Patriots do. If, if it comes out that Washington is taking

01:11:12Daniels and the Patriots are higher on Daniels, then they move out. And the other thing is true

01:11:17as well. So, um, you know, so we'll see, but, but we, you never know, but by the way, just,

01:11:24just, uh, I just wanted to point it out here, Carlos, um, Oh, we got those talks in here.

01:11:33I was, I just wanted to give him a shout out. He's killing it on Twitter. So, um, you know,

01:11:38and he's like, he's like always the first report things, just crushing it over there, um,

01:11:43on Twitter. So nice work, Carlos, keep it up. Shout out to the fact that when Carlos like

01:11:48pulls video clips and stuff too, he like generally provides full context. He very rarely, if ever,

01:11:53like, you know, we'll put things out of context or, you know, try to go for the clickbait. He

01:11:59just has real content. So yeah, it was a must follow. Yep. I agree. I agree. So Lowe's talks

01:12:05if you're on Twitter or X or whatever else. Um, but yeah. Um, so yeah. Uh, do you want to get,

01:12:13yeah, let's get, let's get into the, let's get into the listener mocks. Um, and then we'll,

01:12:16we'll go from there. Yeah. We got just two to wrap this up. We'll start with one sent,

01:12:21sent to us from a ways away. And this is from Turkey. We got one from Turkey, past fans in

01:12:26Turkey represent, uh, from Kagan Kagan. I'm not entirely sure how you say it. Uh, this month draft

01:12:33has Patriots trading back, taking Troy Fountain at 15, Lad McConkey at 34, Xavier Ligette at 46,

01:12:41Michael Panix at 68, Jalex Hunt at one Oh three, Jared Wiley at one 37, Christian Boyd at one 80,

01:12:49Hunter Norzad at one 93 and Ryan Watts at two 31. And you get a 2025 first from the Colts in this

01:12:57one. I mean, I'm not sure why the Colts are moving up to three, but maybe they want Marvin Harrison

01:13:02jr. They want the other Marvin in the building. I mean, it might be worth it for them. He'd said

01:13:08that they traded 1546 and, uh, their 2025 first round pick, which of course gives them the double

01:13:15dip at wide receiver. So this is a situation where I love this draft. I love this draft.

01:13:21This is where I'd be okay with Michael Pennix, like in the third round. Are you kidding me?

01:13:26I'd be happy with that. I don't think he's going to last a third round, but I think there's a

01:13:30chance. Um, that he, that he slides because the, and listen, let's be honest, right? Let's be

01:13:37honest last year. Do you remember last year when, you know, there was talk about, uh, will

01:13:43Levis going number one overall, and then it gets taken in the second round. Um, and so that's,

01:13:50that's one of those interesting things for me that like panics is kind of feels that way where it's

01:13:57like, you look at panics and you just think like, he just got so much injury problems.

01:14:03And I don't know how much people now listen, I think he's a great leader. I think he can

01:14:10absolutely sling it. Um, but you know, I'm not sure, but we'll see. So, but I love the,

01:14:16I love the idea of taking the left tackle and then double dipping at wide receiver.

01:14:20We'll look at draft of 46. I'm not sure if he'll drop all the way to 46. We'll let McConkie be

01:14:25at 34. I think he probably will be, but like you draft two wide receivers, you draft a tight end,

01:14:33you draft two defensive linemen and an offensive lineman and a safety and obviously a quarterback.

01:14:39And like, that to me is like, I look at that and I'm like, that's it, dude. Like you've,

01:14:43you've gone, you know, you've gone a lot, I think, uh, to, to helping and improving your

01:14:51offense. Now again, can Rattler play? I don't know. You know, can either of these wide receivers

01:14:57really kind of step up and be the guy? I'm not sure. I like that idea, but, uh, by the way, Josh,

01:15:03Josh, Joe Milton's getting drafted like the sixth round. There's no way Joe Milton's going wild.

01:15:08Yeah. When I, by the way, I, I don't think it's that crazy for Penn X or Nix or whoever to be

01:15:13here at 68, because part of it is that, you know, once everybody has picked once, you know,

01:15:20that's usually where the top quarterbacks go, right? These guys make it out of the first round,

01:15:24which I think they will. You can kind of go anywhere. Guys can really start to slide once

01:15:29you hit day two. Cause it's like, you know, who are the QB needy teams who might be taking a

01:15:35chance on this guy? It's like, I think the Rams are a possibility there. Um, I think maybe the

01:15:40Browns are a possibility there. Yep. Um, Browns first 54 or something like that too. So maybe

01:15:47the Vikings, if they don't get somebody, you know, if they get, but they're, they don't even

01:15:52have a second round pick. Um, you know, that's the spot where it's like, all right, you're kind

01:15:57of drafting a backup or you don't love your starter. Like it's a weird spot to be drafting

01:16:01a quarterback. So guys fall and you also need a guy to be a scheme and you also need a front

01:16:05office to like a guy and you need a front office to like a guy, not enough to take them in the

01:16:09first and not enough to think he has high chance of being a starter, but still enough to one,

01:16:14take them in the second round. Like that's a very, very thin line to walk. Um, so, and especially

01:16:21with Pennix is the injury history. He's a dog. He is. I don't have any questions about his

01:16:26intangibles. It's just, you know, can this processing speed you faster? Can he get more

01:16:30accurate with the football? And if he gets taken at the end of the first round, it wouldn't shock

01:16:36me if he's on the board and the Patriots pick in the third, it really wouldn't shock me.

01:16:40Um, I just want to say Jared, Jared Wiley and Christian Boyd on day three in this draft.

01:16:44Love, love, love that. Yeah, I agree. Uh, two, two things I wanted to point out. First of all,

01:16:50Mario Yoshi with the take of the off season right here, where is it? Here it is right here.

01:16:56I'm hoping the Patriots pick good players for this year. And listen, I'm going to be completely

01:17:00honest with you, Mario. I'm not, I'm not joking at all. Like that's the take, right? We've gone

01:17:06through a billion, you know, things and who are they going to take? Ultimately it doesn't matter

01:17:12who they draft and where they draft them. It just matters if they're good. Right. And it's like,

01:17:17okay, great. Take a quarterback. He better be good. Great. Take a wide receiver. He better be

01:17:22good. Great. Take a left tackle. He better be good. Like it doesn't matter what they do as long

01:17:27as the guys are good. And we won't know that they're good for a few years, but like, but that's,

01:17:32that's one of the things. And also, uh, you're getting from your keyboard to Elliot Wolf's

01:17:36ears. That's right. That's right, baby. Uh, and DJ Daniel just, you know, mentioned, um,

01:17:42that, you know, Drake may has never faced any adversity and, and, and fine. That's fine. Um,

01:17:48I will say that, and someone pointed this out earlier today, and I don't remember who it was

01:17:54in a, I might've been, um, Jesus Christ, the coach Williams, I think on, on Twitter,

01:18:00who's really good. And I like him and he doesn't like Drake may, but not that he doesn't like

01:18:04Drake. He doesn't like Drake may as much as, as, as some people do, which is fine.

01:18:08But he pointed out, which I thought was true. Drake may was the consensus. Number two for the

01:18:13last year, for the last year, he was the consensus number two last year. And he's still the consensus

01:18:19number two. And it seems like he's been passed by Jaden Daniels and he hasn't pouted about that.

01:18:25And he hasn't complained about that. And he hasn't, and he's dealt with that with

01:18:30grace and he's talked about Jaden Daniels and he's talked about JJ McCarthy and he's talked.

01:18:35And I think that, you know, it shows a little bit from him now, again, does that mean that he's

01:18:40going to, I don't know. Um, but you know, it is what it is. And yes, TD, right. That, that what's

01:18:46his face, Merrill Hodge called him a coach killer. Any quarterback that's a boss is a coach killer.

01:18:51Yeah. I'll also say Drake may faced adversity. Look at the roster around him. It's the coaching,

01:18:59like he and Caleb Williams, both just faced adversity internally from having to play on

01:19:04teams that weren't really that good against teams that were better, um, than having to make that

01:19:09work. You know, I thought that Caleb Williams and Drake may got their teams to even respectable

01:19:13at points this season is a Testament to their ability and their ability to face adversity.

01:19:18Agreed. All right. Let's get into this. Let's get into this last,

01:19:21last mock and get the people out of here. Yeah. This is from, uh, from Tom Jane Daniels at three,

01:19:26which he did. He did explain in his message to me that this would be Daniels or may he was

01:19:31hoping it was may, but he would take either one, um, a trade back Leggett at 47 Senate,

01:19:37Ben Senate at 68 Toronto McGaughy at 70 cam heart at one Oh three. That's the pulpy guy right there.

01:19:44Baker at one 37 Dylan Lowe be shout out to the UNH kid at one 80 Christian Boyd at one 93.

01:19:52I think Boyd's going to go. I think Boyd's going to go like fourth, fifth round. Um,

01:19:56I can't imagine Javon Baker being there at one 37 either, but I mean, I guess it could happen,

01:20:01but Jesus Christ, if he is sprint, let's sprint. Yeah. You run faster than him.

01:20:07Yeah. I will say he, cause he also, we went back and forth a little bit. One of the things I liked

01:20:11about this, I'm not as high on stage really get as other people. I think he's kind of going to end

01:20:15up being a big slot, like matchup guy, um, who you kind of have to scheme plays for.

01:20:22If you draft Javon Baker, Baker can go play outside, like get, can be your slot matchup

01:20:27guy. And I think that puts them in a position to 16. So I like the thinking there of pairing

01:20:30those two guys together. Yeah, no, that's a good point. I like that. And look, I mean,

01:20:36yeah, I just, for me, I think that it's a solid trade. It's a solid draft. Look,

01:20:42any draft with Benson, you know, I'm going to love any draft with Benson and Dylan Lobby.

01:20:46Come on, like, let's get serious. And you know, Cam Hart and Christian Boyd again, like,

01:20:51I liked the idea a lot. Um, again, I would prefer Drake may or Jaden Daniels, but as he said,

01:20:59I would prefer Drake may or Jaden Daniels. But as he said, I do think, I do think that the

01:21:07Patriots are going to take the quarterback there. Um, and so, you know, if that's the case,

01:21:15then that means that whether it's Jaden Daniels, Drake may, they're taking the quarterback.

01:21:22So we'll see, um, by the way, someone, and again, I really don't want to have to do this again.

01:21:28Um, but somebody was talking about, and, and maybe, um,

01:21:39hold on, maybe it's not, maybe it's, maybe it's not going to have what I have here, what I heard,

01:21:46at least. Um, but I had heard about, and I've talked about the wins above average,

01:21:50um, before, right. And so we talked about, you know, as far as the people around you,

01:21:57um, and the wins above average around Drake may is just pitiful, just absolutely pitiful.

01:22:04Um, and that's, that's the, that's the situation for me is that when you look at the advanced

01:22:11metrics, right. And I'm not going to get into all the numbers, but basically what it says is that

01:22:16the wins above average essentially said that you could essentially take out the entire UNC offense

01:22:25and replace it with literally average players from college football. And it would have been the

01:22:32same offense minus Drake man. And so, you know, and whereas every other quarterback that's being

01:22:39talked about in the first round had, you know, anywhere from five to two and a half points.

01:22:47And so again, it's not crazy, but for me, it's, it, that's one of those things that I look at

01:22:52and just think like, okay, this is the situation that we're in. Like he's not getting any help.

01:22:58Yeah. And so that's, and, and that's, to me, that's not up for debate. He's not getting any

01:23:03help. Now, does that mean he's going to be a great quarterback in the NFL? No, but to me that,

01:23:07you know, that's not up for debate. Yeah. Yep. So, all right. We've said a lot of words about

01:23:16quarterbacks this off season. I'm glad to finally get to apply it to something real.

01:23:21I know, I know. And listen, you know, and, and, and let's be honest, right. I don't think this

01:23:25team's going to be very good next year. Right. It's not like I'm sitting here telling you that

01:23:29this team's going to be, you know, a 10 win team and they're going to compete for. I don't think

01:23:33that's going to matter. Right. Um, but you know, this is the best, this is the best time of year.

01:23:42It's the best time of year. It's the best time of year and TD, we appreciate it. You guys are

01:23:48great. Even if we disagree, I agree. Uh, you guys are great. Like this is, this is what makes

01:23:54it right. The chat blowing up and you guys being on the chat is, is what makes it so much more fun

01:23:58because we're able to, to have this conversation with you. Um, and so we're not just up here

01:24:04screaming into the void, which we are a little bit. Um, but it's nice to have, to have people

01:24:08responding to us and again, to be able to have a conversation with you guys, because I find that

01:24:14even when we disagree that you guys bring different perspectives and a lot of times smart

01:24:22perspectives, you guys aren't dumb and you're not, you're throwing things out. Right. And so

01:24:26I think that, you know, there's a lot of good things that come through. And even if we disagree

01:24:31with it, I think that we can see the logic behind it. Um, and so, you know, so we'll see. Yeah.

01:24:36Yeah. I do want to, yeah, I want to wrap up because there was a comment in here that

01:24:40reminded me of something I had wanted to bring up on here because somebody mentioned that Patriots

01:24:45fans are going to be calculating strength of schedule by week 10. Um, we can do this right

01:24:50now. Warren Sharp put out his thing. It's, uh, hardest it's strength of schedule by betting

01:24:55odds right now, pre-draft who has the hardest schedules. Patriots have the second hardest

01:25:00schedule in the NFL next season. Well, that's not good. That's not good for draft purposes.

01:25:06Um, well, I mean, they're going to lose a lot probably that's that is true. That is true. Yes.

01:25:12Uh, but no, I thought that was interesting because this is something I'd kind of picked

01:25:14up on at the end of last season was that if you had to say who the worst team in the AFC West is

01:25:19going to be next year, I think most people would probably say the Raiders. Well, the team that

01:25:24finished last was the chargers. Why? Because Herbert got hurt and everything fell apart at

01:25:28the end. So that's in the Patriots play. If you had to say who the worst team in the AFC North is

01:25:33probably the Steelers. If you had to guess, uh, maybe the Browns

01:25:38Patriots are playing the Bengals because Joe Burrow got hurt last year. That's the worst

01:25:43team in the NFC North. Um, and we'd all say it's the bears, but that's the team that got

01:25:49two as two top 10 picks. And it's adding the number one draft, right. And Caleb Williams,

01:25:53that's who you got to play there. Um, and you also, you know, part of this is that,

01:25:58you know, the Patriots got to play three good teams in the AFC East.

01:26:01Every team, the AFC East gets two games against New England. So all of those strength of schedules

01:26:05are going to go down for that. No, but for a team playing a last place schedule, I think they did

01:26:11get some, a rough draw, at least according to how things look at the moment. Um, and I don't expect

01:26:16those odds to shift too drastically between now and week one. And certainly not week one now by,

01:26:22by the end of the year, of course, no one knows is going to happen, but, um, but you're right.

01:26:26So, yeah, things will, things will change in season, but yeah, the only thing moving those

01:26:31odds is going to be, you know, quarterbacks be taken in the drafts and that's just going to be,

01:26:36you know, Minnesota or Vegas or, you know, if somebody does make a move up.

01:26:39Right. Right. So as a reminder, before we go as a reminder, we are going to be live

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01:28:02sick logo, which I was saying to my dad, they're going to throw this on a t-shirt. Like I would a

01:28:07hundred percent buy that on a t-shirt. Um, so a forever new England with the entire, uh,

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01:28:45everyone. And then we'll mail it. We're just going to pick a name at random and, and, and, uh,

01:28:50and go from there. And again, as I said, sorry, dad, he's not, not invited into that, into that,

01:28:55uh, into that lottery. So he's winning too many things lately. And so that's not happening. So

01:29:01anyways, uh, that's what we got. That's it. So we're going to see you guys Thursday night,

01:29:06come through on Thursday, a ton, a ton of guests. We have, we're gonna have a ton of fun.

01:29:09We've done it again. I think I've been doing it since 2021 and I love it. Um, and so,

01:29:16so it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun every year. And if the Patriots, you know, do something

01:29:20we don't like your, you may get the privilege of watching us break mentally on air. That's

01:29:25coming to terms with the, yeah. So let's, uh, let's not do that. Uh, and let's see,

01:29:31hopefully we get a pair of Bruins Celtics wins in the interim between now and then.

01:29:35Certainly nice. Wouldn't it? That would certainly be nice. So, yes. All right. Well,

01:29:39thanks everyone. And we will, um, we'll talk to you on Thursday night. We're finally there. People

01:29:45were finally there. So we'll talk to you on Thursday night and, uh, you know, and Hey,

01:29:51we're here. It's going to be great. And let's just hope they don't screw it up. I don't think

01:29:56they're going to, but let's hope they don't. So, all right, guys. Thanks again. And we'll

01:30:00talk to you Thursday.

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