LIVE Patriots Daily: Talking Top QB Prospects with Robert Griffin III

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00:00:00 (upbeat music)

00:00:02 - What's going on everyone?

00:00:23 Taylor Kyle's here for CNS Media

00:00:25 coming at you with another episode of Pat's Daily

00:00:27 brought to you by our good friends at Price Fix,

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00:00:33 I'm not gonna lie y'all, I'm really excited today.

00:00:35 Obviously NFL Draft Week finally upon us.

00:00:38 Patriots days away from completing

00:00:40 the much anticipated quarterback reset.

00:00:42 So give us a little insight into what it's like

00:00:45 not only to play quarterback in the NFL,

00:00:47 but to be the face of a franchise.

00:00:49 I am joined by former Heisman winner,

00:00:52 number two overall pick,

00:00:53 rookie of the year, pro bowler,

00:00:55 and current ESPN analyst and host of RG3

00:00:57 and the Once podcast, Robert Griffin III.

00:01:00 Robert, how you doing man?

00:01:01 Thank you for coming on.

00:01:03 - Hey man, I'm doing great.

00:01:04 I appreciate the intro.

00:01:05 I gotta take you with me everywhere man.

00:01:06 That was a good intro right there.

00:01:07 (laughing)

00:01:08 - I'm about it.

00:01:09 I got a little practice with this whole podcast gig,

00:01:11 but well deserved man, well deserved.

00:01:13 So again, thank you so much for coming on.

00:01:15 Busiest part of the year.

00:01:17 Also, I gotta give you the shout out.

00:01:19 You got the Dragon Ball Z quarterback comps.

00:01:22 Really, really like those.

00:01:23 Now I asked, we can't get a sneak peek.

00:01:26 I was asking for Drake May,

00:01:27 but it's coming out soon.

00:01:28 But I do wanna give you a little shout out for that

00:01:30 and let us know what the idea was behind that.

00:01:32 So you got JJ and Penix out.

00:01:34 We'll talk about them later,

00:01:35 but super interesting idea

00:01:36 that I'm sure a lot of anime nerds

00:01:38 and manga nerds are really excited about.

00:01:40 - Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are afraid

00:01:42 to show who they really are.

00:01:44 And that's one of the things I've always tried to do

00:01:47 in this journey on TV.

00:01:49 It's my third year in TV,

00:01:51 coming to a close in my third year.

00:01:52 And I just, I always believe you create the content

00:01:55 you wanna create.

00:01:56 And then people will accept you.

00:01:58 And if they don't, then those aren't the right people.

00:02:00 So the Dragon Ball Z comps,

00:02:01 I just got tired of everybody saying,

00:02:03 "This quarterback's like this guy.

00:02:05 And he's like this guy."

00:02:07 I hate comps.

00:02:08 I absolutely hate them

00:02:09 'cause I feel like everybody is their own guy.

00:02:12 So Dragon Ball Z is something I love.

00:02:15 Football is something I love.

00:02:17 And I had actually had this idea

00:02:19 before Akira Toriyama, the creator of Dragon Ball,

00:02:21 passed away.

00:02:23 And I was just gonna do it,

00:02:25 I don't wanna say like half halfway,

00:02:27 but when he passed away, I was like,

00:02:29 I really wanna honor the guy

00:02:30 'cause I grew up on Dragon Ball Z.

00:02:33 So I put all my thought process

00:02:35 into the characters that I selected.

00:02:37 And I got Bo Nix is coming out today as well.

00:02:41 And then tomorrow, Drake May will be out tomorrow.

00:02:43 And then I'll have a couple other guys

00:02:45 that drop on Wednesday.

00:02:47 So it's really a passion project for me.

00:02:50 The true fans understand the connection and the reference.

00:02:54 So I'm trying to bring both worlds together

00:02:56 and have fun with it.

00:02:57 - I appreciate it.

00:02:58 I mean, obviously fellow Funko Pop lovers,

00:03:00 when it comes to being yourself,

00:03:01 showing your personality,

00:03:03 I can definitely say I appreciate it very much.

00:03:06 I know you don't like the comp self.

00:03:07 We'll get into that,

00:03:08 but more about your opinion,

00:03:09 not necessarily, you know, just what we're here.

00:03:11 But first I wanna start off with some Patriots stuff.

00:03:14 Now, going back to your rookie year with Washington,

00:03:19 you talk about the staff.

00:03:20 You got some heavy hitters on the coaching staff.

00:03:22 So offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan,

00:03:25 quarterbacks, Matt LaFleur, tight end, Sean McVay,

00:03:27 offensive assistant, Mike McDaniels,

00:03:29 and then DB's coach, Raheem Morris,

00:03:31 defensive assistant, Bobby Sloat,

00:03:34 which might surprise some people.

00:03:35 That's obviously offensive coordinator for the Texans,

00:03:38 absolutely killing it.

00:03:39 And then when you look at the supporting cast,

00:03:40 you had Trent Williams, Alfred Morris,

00:03:42 and you were all pro bowlers in your first season

00:03:45 behind a dominant run game.

00:03:47 And then you had some really quality veteran receivers

00:03:50 like Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, and Chris Cooley.

00:03:53 Now for the Patriots, this is a brand new offensive cast.

00:03:57 Defensive coaches, pretty much the same.

00:03:59 And then you look at the offense,

00:04:00 they resigned a bunch of their guys,

00:04:01 Hunter Henry, Kendrick Bourne,

00:04:03 like the guys who were really putting in the work

00:04:04 over the past few seasons, but not a lot of firepower.

00:04:07 So from your perspective,

00:04:09 before we get into the whole quarterback discussion,

00:04:11 do you think they have what it takes

00:04:13 to support a young quarterback

00:04:15 if this were a guy who was gonna start from day one

00:04:17 or early on in their rookie season?

00:04:19 - The simple answer to that is no, yes.

00:04:24 And I say that because Kendrick Bourne,

00:04:28 to me is one of the most underrated wide receivers

00:04:30 in the NFL.

00:04:32 I have a good relationship with Kendrick

00:04:35 and I believe that he's like a quarterback's best friend.

00:04:38 You know what you're talking about with the tight ends,

00:04:40 with the Kelsey's and, you know,

00:04:43 with Greg Olsen's and Gronkowski's,

00:04:46 like, oh, he's a quarterback security blanket.

00:04:48 It's like, they are, they were.

00:04:50 Bourne is a quarterback's best friend

00:04:52 because he's gonna be where he's supposed to be

00:04:53 when he's supposed to be there.

00:04:54 He separates and he catches the football.

00:04:57 And I know that sounds like what a receiver's supposed to do,

00:04:59 but it's not always that simple.

00:05:01 You gotta have a guy that knows when he's open,

00:05:03 knows how to manage coverages

00:05:05 and knows how to put the work in every single day

00:05:08 to get that confidence from the quarterback.

00:05:09 So when I look at the Patriots wide receiving core,

00:05:13 I see a bunch of guys that are twos, right?

00:05:17 You got Bourne, you got Juju Smith-Schuster,

00:05:19 you got DeMario Douglas, you got Tyquan Thornton.

00:05:22 Like, they need a one.

00:05:25 Like a bonafide that dude,

00:05:29 because the rest of them, they're doing their job

00:05:33 and you need that on a team.

00:05:35 You got Hunter Henry at tight end,

00:05:36 you got Austin Hooper at tight end.

00:05:38 Like, this team is not barren of talent.

00:05:42 And people try to paint it that way,

00:05:44 it's because they don't have them elite neighbors.

00:05:47 You know, it's because they don't have a Marvin Harrison Jr.

00:05:49 or a Rahma Doonzey.

00:05:51 And those guys don't just grow on trees.

00:05:53 So I don't feel like their roster is as barren

00:05:57 as people make it seem.

00:05:59 And you mentioned Trent Williams and Alfred Morris

00:06:01 and Pierre Garçon and Santana Moss.

00:06:04 We had Santana Moss at the end of his career.

00:06:07 He was my security blanket.

00:06:10 I felt like almost every other catch he had was a touchdown.

00:06:14 And when you go back and you look at the season,

00:06:16 I think he had about 20 to 30 catches,

00:06:19 but they were all impactful catches.

00:06:21 And Alfred was a six round pick.

00:06:24 You know, we had Roy Hill Jr. and Evan Royster

00:06:27 and Tim Hightower all in front of him.

00:06:30 And he won the job in part because those guys

00:06:33 got banged up in the preseason, but he also earned it.

00:06:36 You know?

00:06:37 So what we did my rookie year in 2012,

00:06:41 wasn't just a by-product of,

00:06:43 hey, here comes the Heisman Trophy winner

00:06:45 and he takes them off into the sunset.

00:06:47 Like D'Angelo Hall was a veteran on that team.

00:06:50 London Fletcher was a veteran linebacker on that team.

00:06:52 We had Chris Cooley at tight end.

00:06:54 So that veteran experience made me as a rookie

00:06:58 want to come in and like prove to those guys

00:07:00 like I belonged and then I could get the job done for them.

00:07:03 'Cause I knew I potentially had more years ahead of me

00:07:07 than they did.

00:07:09 And they didn't have time to wait.

00:07:10 So I look at the Patriots team and I see Matthew Judon

00:07:13 and I know Judon's not trying to wait three years

00:07:16 to go win a Super Bowl.

00:07:17 I know that the fan base isn't trying to wait three years

00:07:20 to go back to the playoffs and win a Super Bowl.

00:07:21 So to answer your question, it's a no

00:07:25 because they don't have that one at wideout.

00:07:27 It's a yes because if you bring in a young QB,

00:07:31 you can sit him behind Jacoby Bursette for a year

00:07:33 while you build out your roster.

00:07:35 And if he has to play, he has to play, right?

00:07:38 It is what it is.

00:07:39 Look at Justin Herbert when he was with the Chargers.

00:07:40 He sat at first behind Tyrod Taylor.

00:07:43 People don't remember that, but he did.

00:07:45 And then he played 'cause Tyler got hurt.

00:07:46 So I'm not as down on the Patriots

00:07:49 as everybody else has been,

00:07:51 but I understand that they do need

00:07:52 a true number one wide receiver.

00:07:54 - And honestly, you hit on a lot of the same points

00:07:55 Elliott Wolfe mentioned.

00:07:56 Like last week I asked him,

00:07:58 "You got a lot of like Z's and slots on your roster,

00:08:00 but what about an X?"

00:08:01 And he's like, "Yeah, no, you're right.

00:08:02 If we have, do we have that guy who can win consistently

00:08:04 on the backside of a three by one?

00:08:06 No, we do not."

00:08:07 And he's being very real about it.

00:08:09 Everyone will feel so much better about the Patriots roster

00:08:13 if they had a number one receiver.

00:08:15 'Cause then you'd look and you'd be like,

00:08:17 "Oh, okay.

00:08:19 We got Juju, smooth watch here.

00:08:20 Okay.

00:08:22 Oh, we got, we got, we got Demar'e Ducas

00:08:24 who's killing it with slot.

00:08:25 All right.

00:08:26 You got two tight ends that have done damage in this league."

00:08:29 It's all jaded because they don't have a quarterback

00:08:33 and all respect to Jacoby Bursette.

00:08:36 I sometimes call him Jacoby Brisket

00:08:39 because he's so good out there.

00:08:40 (laughing)

00:08:41 But all due respect to him, they don't have that QB.

00:08:45 So people are like, "Oh man, we ain't got a quarterback,

00:08:47 man, we ain't got a number one receiver.

00:08:49 What are we going to do?"

00:08:50 It's like, your roster is not that far off.

00:08:51 There are a couple pieces.

00:08:53 And I think they can get a number one receiver

00:08:55 and a quarterback in this draft

00:08:58 because this receiver class is so deep.

00:09:01 I think they can still find one.

00:09:03 - So we're going to get into a quarterback discussion,

00:09:05 but you said that.

00:09:06 So I got to ask, are there any receivers that stand out to you

00:09:09 who could be that kind of security blanket

00:09:11 or that true difference maker for the Patriots

00:09:13 who again, do need more of that X,

00:09:15 no backside one-on-one merchant?

00:09:17 - Yeah.

00:09:17 Yeah, it's obviously the names that are out there at the top.

00:09:21 The top three guys, they are bonafide superstars.

00:09:24 I have called games for two of them.

00:09:27 Marvin Harrison Jr. I didn't get a chance to call.

00:09:30 Ohio State, Big 10.

00:09:31 We, ESPN doesn't have Big 10, but he's an animal, right?

00:09:36 I've known about him for a very long time.

00:09:38 Roma Dunes, I called two games for him

00:09:39 over the past two years.

00:09:41 And Malik Nabors, I called three games for him

00:09:43 just this past year.

00:09:44 So I got a healthy dosage.

00:09:46 - It's a fun year.

00:09:47 - Okay.

00:09:48 I call, I say about Malik,

00:09:51 the play doesn't start until he gets the ball.

00:09:54 That's the kind of player he is.

00:09:56 Rome can do a little bit of everything.

00:09:58 He can play in the slot.

00:09:59 He can play a backside on his own.

00:10:01 He can play at the Z.

00:10:02 He can punt return.

00:10:05 But Marvin is the one that everyone feels like

00:10:08 is the complete package.

00:10:09 But when you get past those guys,

00:10:12 now you're talking about guys that have elite traits.

00:10:16 Brian Thomas Jr.

00:10:17 He has some elite traits, okay?

00:10:24 Keon Coleman.

00:10:25 I called his game for the state versus Syracuse.

00:10:30 Keon Coleman is no longer the head coach of Syracuse,

00:10:32 but he was my receiver coach when I was at Baylor.

00:10:35 - I was an infantry kid actually in football.

00:10:37 So there we go.

00:10:38 - So after the game, he said to the media,

00:10:41 he said, "You know, Keon Coleman?

00:10:44 "Yeah, God was showing off when he made him."

00:10:46 That's the type of athletes that are in this draft.

00:10:50 Even a guy like Xavier Leguette at South Carolina.

00:10:53 If people took the time to go watch his tape,

00:10:57 you'd be like, "Hey, he should be in the top 10

00:11:01 "because he's that special of a player."

00:11:03 So I think that there's gonna be some guys for the Patriots.

00:11:06 If they do go quarterback at three,

00:11:08 I think there's some guys that they can get

00:11:11 in the second, third round that you can look at

00:11:13 and be like, "Hey, this guy might be

00:11:14 "the number one wide receiver."

00:11:15 Now the fans might not feel great about it

00:11:17 because you didn't get him in the beginning,

00:11:19 but it all depends on who they're trying to draft.

00:11:21 I did see something today that Greg Vine,

00:11:24 that they might be trying to go get Michael Penix Jr.

00:11:27 - Yeah.

00:11:28 - Because people might be a little bit down on Penix

00:11:30 because of his injury history,

00:11:32 they could trade out a three and actually get some picks

00:11:35 to not only get Penix,

00:11:36 but also get one of those number one wide receivers.

00:11:39 So I think that would be the best case scenario.

00:11:41 They need a starting quarterback

00:11:43 and they need a number one wide out.

00:11:45 That number one wide out for the fans

00:11:47 and for them just how they feel

00:11:49 is probably not gonna be in the second or third round.

00:11:52 Find a way to get two guys in one round.

00:11:54 - You got me fired up, man.

00:11:55 Keon Coleman, I feel like he's a bit of an anomaly.

00:11:58 He might not be a prototypical ex,

00:11:59 but I feel like people, especially in New England,

00:12:01 a little trauma there, you compare him to Nikhil Harry.

00:12:04 And I'm like, no, no, no, these are very different guys.

00:12:07 Much more threatening in his stem,

00:12:09 guys better in space, legit like jump ball winner,

00:12:12 but it's not all he is.

00:12:13 So I love Keon Coleman and Xavier Leguette is my dude, man.

00:12:17 I've been talking about this guy for months.

00:12:18 I know that people are critical

00:12:20 because he had the late breakout,

00:12:22 but you look at the history and his whole story,

00:12:24 how he got to where he is on top of the talent

00:12:27 that he showed last season on his South Carolina offense.

00:12:29 People talk about Drake Maiden,

00:12:30 have a great supporting cast and that's fair.

00:12:33 I mean, Spencer Rattler and Xavier Leguette

00:12:36 were in a completely different category.

00:12:37 So I know this is a quarterback show,

00:12:39 but I was very happy to hear you say those names.

00:12:41 Those have been two of my guys in this process,

00:12:42 but moving on to the quarterback discussion.

00:12:45 So you had a very unique experience in the NFL.

00:12:48 Obviously you were a top pick,

00:12:49 expected to come in and be the face of a franchise

00:12:52 at a very young age.

00:12:53 You were also there when Lamar Jackson was drafted

00:12:55 with the Ravens.

00:12:56 Another guy who won the Heisman,

00:12:57 came in with high expectations

00:12:59 and really had to go out and show it

00:13:01 pretty relatively early on in his career.

00:13:02 Obviously Joe Flacco started out,

00:13:04 but at the same time he ended up playing

00:13:06 at a certain point.

00:13:07 So what was that like on both ends of the spectrum?

00:13:10 Both being the guy coming in with all those expectations,

00:13:12 but also being a guy who'd been through that experience

00:13:15 and then got to see that from a different perspective

00:13:17 and kind of help groom him as a young player.

00:13:20 - Yeah, for me personally,

00:13:22 my journey in the NFL is why I do what I do now.

00:13:27 And I don't mean just like being on TV.

00:13:29 I just mean like the way I attack,

00:13:31 the way that I analyze,

00:13:33 it's because I've seen it from so many different sides.

00:13:36 So to come in as a rookie into Washington

00:13:38 with a team that was laden with veteran guys

00:13:41 that were, I considered legends.

00:13:43 Like when I first saw Santana Moss,

00:13:45 I was like starstruck.

00:13:47 'Cause like he went to the U

00:13:48 and I wanted to go to the U.

00:13:50 I'm like, "Hey, what's up?"

00:13:52 But to do that in year one and have success

00:13:55 and win the division and go to the playoffs and feel that,

00:13:59 and then to feel the emptiness

00:14:02 of being out of the league in 2017,

00:14:06 to feel the emptiness of not playing a snap in 2015

00:14:10 while still on the team that you would consider

00:14:13 to be the franchise quarterback for.

00:14:15 Like all of those experiences didn't make me bitter.

00:14:18 They made me better.

00:14:19 They let me see things from a different perspective.

00:14:21 So when you flash forward to 2018 with Lamar,

00:14:26 Lamar gets drafted.

00:14:28 I had gotten signed a month or a few months earlier

00:14:31 before he got drafted.

00:14:33 And they tell me, "You're gonna come in.

00:14:36 "You're gonna compete with Joe.

00:14:37 "We need someone to push him."

00:14:38 I'm like, "All right, cool, no problem.

00:14:39 "Here's Joe Flacco, the Super Bowl champion."

00:14:41 Like, okay, you know what I'm saying?

00:14:42 Like I understood.

00:14:43 I knew what my role was.

00:14:45 When they drafted Lamar,

00:14:48 my guy, Steve Smith said something funny.

00:14:51 And he said, 'cause I put out a tweet and I said,

00:14:53 "Man, I can't wait to work with you.

00:14:55 "We're gonna be grinding together, do this thing,

00:14:57 "and really have a lot of fun."

00:15:00 And he responded on the air to my tweet.

00:15:03 And then he was like, "You ain't gonna be there.

00:15:06 "You cut."

00:15:07 And I'm like, everyone laughed at it, laughed at it,

00:15:10 laughed at it.

00:15:11 But I actually got a call from my quarterback coach

00:15:13 after that.

00:15:14 And he told me, "Thank you for putting out that tweet."

00:15:18 And that's all he said.

00:15:19 And I'm like, "Are you telling me

00:15:20 "that that tweet saved my job?"

00:15:22 Like, 'cause the way I viewed it for Lamar was,

00:15:27 Lamar's his own man.

00:15:28 And I try to tell people that all the time.

00:15:30 Like, Lamar's a very strong-willed individual.

00:15:34 He wants to prove everybody wrong,

00:15:36 but more so he wants to prove himself right

00:15:38 and take care of his family.

00:15:39 So when he got there and I got a chance to work with him,

00:15:43 I appreciated it because I didn't have that

00:15:46 when I was in D.C.

00:15:48 I didn't have that environment.

00:15:50 I didn't have a guy that looked like me,

00:15:52 that played like me, that could help me navigate

00:15:55 some of the things that I ended up running into.

00:15:58 So I tried to be that and was that for Lamar.

00:16:02 And to see the way the team embraced him,

00:16:05 and I don't mean the locker room.

00:16:07 The locker room is the locker room.

00:16:09 The locker room will embrace anybody

00:16:11 that the coaches embrace.

00:16:12 The locker room will embrace anybody that comes in

00:16:14 and puts in the work.

00:16:16 I did that when I was in Washington.

00:16:18 But the way the team embraced Lamar,

00:16:20 the way he talks, the way he wears his hair,

00:16:22 the way that he dresses, the way that he communicates,

00:16:26 what he's good at, what he's not good at, right?

00:16:28 They did everything and catered everything to Lamar

00:16:31 and were not afraid to do it.

00:16:33 And I got to see an organization in the Ravens

00:16:36 that truly cared about the players,

00:16:39 about the identity, and about what was expected.

00:16:42 So that was awesome for me to see

00:16:45 because in my other two stops,

00:16:47 I didn't see that.

00:16:49 I thought that this is what the NFL is.

00:16:52 But really what it can be,

00:16:54 it can be as great as what the Baltimore Ravens were and are.

00:16:58 And that's why I have a lot of love for the Ravens.

00:17:00 Even though people say, "You got drafted by Washington."

00:17:02 It's like, "Yeah, I got drafted by Washington.

00:17:03 I played for Cleveland, I played for the Ravens."

00:17:05 But Ravens fans, we have a special connection

00:17:07 because I appreciate being able to experience that.

00:17:11 So as much as some people have said,

00:17:12 "Hey, you did this for Lamar, you did that for Lamar."

00:17:14 It's like, "No, Lamar's his own guy.

00:17:16 He won two MVPs.

00:17:17 I don't know any MVPs."

00:17:18 He did that.

00:17:19 He threw them touchdowns.

00:17:20 He ran that touchdown when he did a little spinarooni

00:17:21 against the Bengals.

00:17:22 You know what I'm saying?

00:17:23 I ain't do that.

00:17:24 But I'm very appreciative of being able

00:17:26 to have that experience because it shaped so much of my life

00:17:29 and I'm really thankful for it.

00:17:31 - Speaking of Lamar, one thing watching him,

00:17:33 like you said, there's not a lot of quarterbacks

00:17:35 that look like Lamar and carry themselves

00:17:37 the way Lamar does.

00:17:38 It was amazing for me to see.

00:17:39 And then to see, obviously, people say certain things,

00:17:43 but then to see, like you said,

00:17:44 how the organization always supported him

00:17:46 and it really seemed like they had his back.

00:17:48 Just from an outsider's perspective,

00:17:49 it really was very encouraging to see.

00:17:51 So it's really cool to hear that that was what it was like

00:17:54 also from your perspective.

00:17:56 And you also talk about what your experience was like

00:17:57 when you were younger.

00:17:58 You were part of a double-dipping quarterback,

00:18:00 which you don't really see for a guy

00:18:02 who's taken to be the franchise,

00:18:04 especially 'cause then you're like,

00:18:05 "Her cousin's still killing it."

00:18:06 It wasn't like a guy where it's like,

00:18:07 "Oh no, he's clearly just gonna be..."

00:18:09 He was still a talented guy.

00:18:10 So the Patriots, you never know.

00:18:12 Like maybe they hedged their bet or something like that.

00:18:15 Teams or businesses, yada, yada, yada.

00:18:17 What was that experience like for you to come in?

00:18:20 And again, top pick, you seem like you're the guy,

00:18:22 but then they also get somebody in a spot where you're like,

00:18:24 "Hey, it's not gonna be easy."

00:18:27 - Like I tell you this all the time,

00:18:29 me and Kirk, we shared a burrito at our rookie mini camp.

00:18:33 You know what I'm saying?

00:18:34 We were breaking bread together.

00:18:37 I don't have any beef towards Kirk Cousins.

00:18:39 I don't think he has any beef towards me.

00:18:43 It was an awkward situation,

00:18:45 but it was awkward not because he was a bad guy or whatever.

00:18:50 It was awkward because you then found out

00:18:52 that there was a problem.

00:18:54 And that problem was within the organization

00:18:58 between the owner and the head coach.

00:19:01 That's an odd spot to be put in as a rookie.

00:19:04 And when I've done the draft

00:19:05 and covered the draft the last three years, last four years,

00:19:08 I've always said to people,

00:19:10 when you're a team, say it's the Patriots,

00:19:13 if the coach wants a guy and the GM wants a guy

00:19:17 and the owner wants a guy, don't draft any of them.

00:19:21 - Yeah.

00:19:22 - Because they have to be in one accord.

00:19:26 You know what I'm saying?

00:19:27 Like you talk about the family, right?

00:19:28 Mom, dad.

00:19:30 Mom tells the kid, "You can't have something."

00:19:33 What's the kid do?

00:19:34 They go to dad.

00:19:36 "Hey dad, can I have some of that?"

00:19:38 You don't even know, mom said, "No."

00:19:40 So you say, "Yes."

00:19:41 Now there's a problem in the house, okay?

00:19:43 And that's what you don't want

00:19:45 for a young rookie quarterback.

00:19:47 You want everyone to be on the same page.

00:19:49 And if there's any doubt, don't draft.

00:19:51 Trade out of it.

00:19:52 Let someone else take care of that.

00:19:53 Because until you guys are all on the same page,

00:19:56 nothing's ever gonna work.

00:19:57 And it did work for us in Washington that first year.

00:19:59 I'm not oblivious to that.

00:20:01 We won seven games down the stretch and won the division.

00:20:03 But it didn't work after that, like clockwork.

00:20:06 Because if there's grumblings

00:20:08 or grinding somewhere in the building

00:20:11 where somebody wants this and someone else wants that,

00:20:13 no one's gonna be on the same page.

00:20:15 I don't ever want that for a rookie quarterback.

00:20:17 It's something that I don't want them to have to go through

00:20:20 and it's not good for the team either.

00:20:22 So if the Patriots are having their doubts

00:20:25 about any of the top QBs, trade out of the pick.

00:20:27 Don't let the pressure from the public

00:20:31 make you pick a guy that you don't want.

00:20:34 Don't let the pressure from some external forces

00:20:38 make you pick a guy that you don't want.

00:20:39 And that's kind of what I learned from that experience.

00:20:42 I'm not bitter about it.

00:20:44 I've gotten better from it.

00:20:46 Every experience that I've had in my life

00:20:47 has made me who I am today.

00:20:49 So I just don't want other guys to have to go through that

00:20:51 because I have the foresight and the experience.

00:20:54 Hindsight's 20/20.

00:20:55 I could've changed anything anyway, right?

00:20:57 I just got drafted there.

00:20:59 But I want everybody to have a fair,

00:21:01 not even a fair, 'cause fair's not the right word.

00:21:03 We both know life's not fair.

00:21:04 I want them to have the opportunity

00:21:06 to realize their potential.

00:21:08 And you can't do that in an organization

00:21:10 that's not on the same page.

00:21:11 - This is honestly a really timely discussion

00:21:13 because the Patriots, it was reported today

00:21:15 that ownership might be kind of getting involved

00:21:18 in the decision-making process with the top pick.

00:21:21 Hoping it's not true.

00:21:22 I'm hoping there's some kind of smoke or whatever to that

00:21:25 'cause Gerard May and Elliott Wolfe

00:21:27 have sounded like they're in lockstep,

00:21:28 where Elliott Wolfe has been a part of,

00:21:30 obviously, his father, Ron Wolfe,

00:21:31 and seen the success the Packers have had

00:21:33 in that front office where you listen to everyone,

00:21:35 you embrace different opinions,

00:21:37 but at the end of the day,

00:21:37 when you were in a leadership position,

00:21:38 you keep what you want to yourself

00:21:40 and you do try to stay open-minded,

00:21:42 but at the end of the day, you have your little cabal.

00:21:44 It sounds like that's Mayo, Matt Groh,

00:21:45 and then Elliott Wolfe,

00:21:46 where they ultimately are the ones who make the decision.

00:21:48 So you hope that they are in lockstep

00:21:50 and whatever they do is something

00:21:51 that the organization can get behind.

00:21:53 And you don't have that situation

00:21:55 where there's people on different ends of the spectrum

00:21:57 who are kind of fighting for different things.

00:21:58 - And I would say this, with Robert Kraft,

00:22:03 you guys calling Bob, you calling Bob Kraft?

00:22:05 - I don't call him Bob.

00:22:06 - I don't know.

00:22:07 - Not me.

00:22:08 (laughing)

00:22:10 I'm second year out here, I'm not calling him Bob.

00:22:12 That is Mr. Robert Kraft to me.

00:22:13 - Yeah, Robert Kraft, okay,

00:22:15 so Robert Kraft has won six Super Bowls.

00:22:18 So he is going to,

00:22:21 I don't know if he's in the conversations or whatever,

00:22:24 you listen to everybody,

00:22:25 but he's gonna have an opinion on who he wants.

00:22:28 And he clearly put Elliot Wolfe and Mayo in position

00:22:32 because that's who he wanted.

00:22:34 So you have to listen to him in a sense,

00:22:38 not just because he's the owner of the team,

00:22:40 but because he knows what it looks like.

00:22:42 And he knows what it takes to win in New England.

00:22:44 And that might not be a certain guy

00:22:46 or a certain skill set or a certain whatever,

00:22:49 he might just have a gut feeling.

00:22:51 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:52 - Watch about that too.

00:22:53 - I had this gut feeling when we drafted Tom Brady

00:22:56 and I'm having that same feeling about him.

00:22:58 Like draft him, everybody get on board.

00:23:02 So I don't wanna make it seem or sound like

00:23:05 either me or you are saying,

00:23:08 hey, they're not on the same page.

00:23:10 It's not like when you come in

00:23:12 and you haven't done something,

00:23:14 it's a lot harder for people to jump on board with you.

00:23:16 But when you have won six of them bad boys,

00:23:20 it's a little bit easier for people to say,

00:23:22 you know what, I'm gonna trust this guy.

00:23:24 He's seen it, he knows what it takes.

00:23:25 And Robert Crafts typically,

00:23:26 he said he does want a quarterback,

00:23:28 but at the same time, like you said,

00:23:29 the gut instinct,

00:23:30 Gerard Mayo's introductory press conference.

00:23:32 He said, I pegged Gerard Mayo as the guy

00:23:36 before everything happened with Bill

00:23:38 because I had the same feeling.

00:23:40 And to your point, the track record,

00:23:41 Bill Parcells, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick,

00:23:45 his gut clearly is working pretty well.

00:23:48 Even he knows something.

00:23:51 More where I'm kind of curious

00:23:53 is that it's been reported

00:23:54 that it's more Jonathan Craft,

00:23:55 who obviously, you know, he's been at his father's side,

00:23:58 but that's kind of a different story,

00:23:59 but we don't have to get into all that.

00:24:00 It's just, you know, again,

00:24:01 we're talking about the possible double dip.

00:24:03 It is interesting just to make sure

00:24:04 if they're on the same page.

00:24:05 We are finally gonna get into the actual quarterback talk,

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00:25:18 Now, we got to use the C word, the comps word.

00:25:22 Now, obviously, you and Jaden Daniels,

00:25:24 Heisman winners, dual threats,

00:25:26 very successful at the college level,

00:25:28 and obviously both gonna be taken,

00:25:30 possibly both taking second overall, we're not sure yet,

00:25:32 but of course, that's led to a lot of comparisons.

00:25:35 People are saying your guys' games are pretty similar.

00:25:37 So I'm curious, from your perspective,

00:25:39 do you see any overlap?

00:25:40 Do you think there's anything to those comps?

00:25:44 - Yeah, like I've answered this question a bunch

00:25:46 over the past couple of weeks,

00:25:47 and it's not a problem.

00:25:50 It's one of the deals of like,

00:25:52 there's a bunch of people,

00:25:53 because Jaden is tied to the commanders, right?

00:25:57 There's a bunch of guys, Drake May, Jaden Mcgarthy,

00:25:59 but Jaden has been the one that most people said,

00:26:02 we think they're gonna pick this guy.

00:26:04 So there's some people that are like,

00:26:05 ah man, we're afraid of that

00:26:07 because he reminds us of you.

00:26:10 And I'm like, okay, well, what is Drake May's skillset?

00:26:14 Athletic, strong arm, can make off schedule plays,

00:26:20 got that dog in him.

00:26:21 Okay, what's JJ McCarthy's skillset?

00:26:24 Athletic, got a strong arm.

00:26:27 You know, when you ask him to,

00:26:29 he can make plays off schedule.

00:26:32 All right, well, what's Michael Penick's skillset?

00:26:34 Athletic, great pocket passer,

00:26:37 ran a 4-4-6 at his pro day.

00:26:39 Like, what are we talking about here, people?

00:26:41 All these guys have the same skillsets,

00:26:44 they're just all a little bit better in certain aspects.

00:26:47 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:48 So for Jaden, unless you're just simply saying,

00:26:52 we're both black,

00:26:54 all these guys are very similar to myself,

00:26:59 Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson,

00:27:00 Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson,

00:27:03 Jalen Hurst, Kyle Murray.

00:27:06 We're all in that same boat of athletic,

00:27:08 dual threat/triple threat quarterbacks

00:27:11 who can beat you with their arm, their legs, and their mind.

00:27:13 I just think, I'm not this guy

00:27:17 that walks around like,

00:27:20 I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread.

00:27:23 And I know that in the world today, that's popular.

00:27:26 You know, be brash, be in your face,

00:27:29 be I'm this, I'm that.

00:27:30 Like, I think all these guys are better than I was.

00:27:33 I watched Jaden Daniels three times this year,

00:27:36 I'm like, what?

00:27:38 Did you see that throw?

00:27:40 Like, his pre-snap,

00:27:42 you hear I say pre-snap, post-snap, this, this, this,

00:27:44 but his pre-snap analysis of the plays

00:27:48 reflects in how he approaches the game post-snap.

00:27:53 And I'm saying that to you

00:27:54 because he uses a system called augmented reality,

00:27:57 and he uses it to study the defense.

00:28:00 And it pops up on the screen and goes away really fast.

00:28:03 So he has to identify what it was.

00:28:05 What was the coverage?

00:28:05 What was the front?

00:28:06 What was the defense?

00:28:07 What was the blitz pattern?

00:28:09 And it speeds up his reaction in game, in real time.

00:28:13 So when I say that,

00:28:15 he goes from the traditional thought process,

00:28:19 you go one to two to three to four to five.

00:28:23 And I said that to one of my coaches in Washington

00:28:25 when I first got there,

00:28:26 because that's what I was taught through the draft process.

00:28:28 You go one to two to three to four to five.

00:28:29 He's like, bro, if you go one to five, you getting sacked.

00:28:33 I'm like, that's a good point.

00:28:35 - That's a good point.

00:28:37 - So with Jaden, what I noticed was,

00:28:40 instead of going one through five,

00:28:42 because he would see the look,

00:28:44 he would go one to four,

00:28:47 two to three to four,

00:28:50 because he knew that one and two were dead

00:28:55 based off the coverage.

00:28:57 And that's an advantage when you, as a quarterback,

00:28:59 can play ahead of the defense.

00:29:02 And that's what I saw from him routinely.

00:29:05 And it helps when you have Malik Nabors,

00:29:08 and Brian Thomas Jr.,

00:29:10 and a guy that not a lot of people are talking about,

00:29:12 but Kyron Lacey,

00:29:13 like they are really talented wide receivers,

00:29:16 but somebody's got to throw him the ball.

00:29:18 So I'm not going to punish Jaden for having those guys.

00:29:21 I'm going to say, let me watch the tape,

00:29:22 'cause he's going to have those guys in the NFL too.

00:29:25 Every dude on that one through five,

00:29:26 one through six on the NFL roster

00:29:28 was that dog in high school.

00:29:30 That was the man in college, you know what I'm saying?

00:29:32 So when I watched Jaden play, I'll say this,

00:29:36 you can take away his legs.

00:29:40 Like, just take away the fact

00:29:42 that he makes so many explosive run plays

00:29:44 and just watch his passes.

00:29:46 And he's still the second best quarterback in the draft.

00:29:48 That to me is a testament to the type of quarterback

00:29:50 that he is.

00:29:51 - And you see the criticisms about like,

00:29:53 oh, well, he'll tuck it and he'll run too fast.

00:29:55 Or, you know, sometimes he doesn't hit the backside

00:29:57 dig consistently.

00:29:59 But you also, you don't know how these guys

00:30:00 are being coached either.

00:30:01 Like there's also the point to make of,

00:30:02 oh, you have a lot of receivers

00:30:03 who can run on a straight line and beat a lot of people.

00:30:06 And if he's getting single high,

00:30:08 do you want him to throw like over the middle,

00:30:10 maybe into the post safety just to make you feel better?

00:30:12 Like, no, sometimes you're just throwing it

00:30:14 where like you said, the open receiver is.

00:30:16 And when it comes to that pre-snap process

00:30:17 and going through the defense, absolutely.

00:30:19 I think that's what makes him the most pro ready quarterback

00:30:22 in this class outside of Caleb Williams

00:30:24 is that ability to win before the snap.

00:30:26 And then obviously all the physical talent as well.

00:30:29 My biggest concern for him personally is the frame.

00:30:32 Like the arm strength a bit,

00:30:33 just because if he comes to New England, the cold weather,

00:30:35 like we saw in the last game of last season

00:30:37 where Bailey Zappi, they don't have the same arm.

00:30:40 But just an example, Bailey Zappi cannot throw downfield

00:30:43 when the wind is coming his way.

00:30:44 As soon as the quarter switches and it went the other way,

00:30:47 I'm like, he's gonna throw the same thing

00:30:48 and it's gonna be fine.

00:30:50 And it's a perfect pass.

00:30:51 Like those things do matter.

00:30:52 So not as much the arm strength or the frame.

00:30:55 And obviously he does have that like

00:30:58 Wile E. Coyote kind of run style

00:30:59 where he'll run into a dude and then all the coins fly out.

00:31:02 I'm mixing animated metaphors here.

00:31:03 But my point is,

00:31:06 - Do you think the frame is something

00:31:08 that is a legitimate concern at the NFL level?

00:31:11 Not only obviously, if he does reel in

00:31:13 some of the running stuff

00:31:14 and kind of put himself in harm's way,

00:31:16 but also just 'cause you see so many times

00:31:18 guys get hurt in the pocket.

00:31:19 The narrative has always said,

00:31:20 oh, the athletic quarterback,

00:31:21 they're gonna get hurt if they scramble.

00:31:22 Most guys like Randall Cunningham, Lamar Jackson,

00:31:25 these guys get hurt when they're inside the pocket.

00:31:27 So how much does that concern you?

00:31:28 'Cause I mean, God made him the way he is.

00:31:30 There's nothing he can do about that.

00:31:31 - Yeah, nothing about his frame concerns me

00:31:34 because I saw Jaden Daniels when he was at Arizona State.

00:31:39 He is not the same build that he was at Arizona State.

00:31:43 And it's funny, people make fun of the way you say it,

00:31:47 but he's thicker.

00:31:49 He's thicker now than he was at Arizona State.

00:31:54 Naturally as men, the older we get, the thicker we get.

00:31:59 Okay, so he's 23.

00:32:02 (all laughing)

00:32:05 He's 23 and he's going to continue to grow into his frame.

00:32:10 So that doesn't worry me.

00:32:13 And I think that he's not gonna keep running in the hits.

00:32:18 I've talked to him about it.

00:32:21 I didn't slide very well.

00:32:24 And then by the time I started to try to slide,

00:32:27 I had an e-brake on in 2013 and it was like,

00:32:29 that's getting messed up.

00:32:30 Now I can't slide because if I slide,

00:32:32 I'm gonna have to sit out for five plays

00:32:34 because they're taking all the grass out of my knee brace.

00:32:37 But for him, I'm not afraid of his frame.

00:32:41 What's the difference in his frame and Drake May's frame?

00:32:45 Because people be making it seem like Drake May out there

00:32:50 built like a bodybuilder or something.

00:32:52 Like Drake May is a tall slender frame, similar to Jaden's.

00:32:57 Jaden is smaller, I think he weighs 10 pounds less,

00:33:00 but both of those guys can easily grow

00:33:03 and put on 10 to 15 more pounds.

00:33:05 He may not have to be muscle.

00:33:07 Like you look at Patrick Mahomes,

00:33:09 like would anybody mistake Patrick Mahomes

00:33:12 for like a fitness model?

00:33:13 No, but he's flexible.

00:33:15 He has good weight on him to protect himself.

00:33:19 Those guys can easily develop that.

00:33:21 If you go into this thing thinking

00:33:23 because these guys are mobile and athletic

00:33:25 that they're gonna get hurt outside the pocket

00:33:26 and you don't watch football.

00:33:28 Football is a 100% injury rate, all positions.

00:33:33 Tom Brady was not a scrambler and he tore his ACL.

00:33:37 Okay, Joe Barrow has been hurt multiple times.

00:33:41 Injuries is just something that guys have to deal with.

00:33:43 You wanna minimize the opportunities to get hurt,

00:33:46 but I don't think his frame is necessarily a problem.

00:33:48 People said that Lamar's frame was probably gonna be

00:33:50 a problem when he got to the NFL.

00:33:52 He's been okay.

00:33:53 He got one of the biggest contracts in league history.

00:33:56 So I'm not afraid of him getting hurt.

00:33:59 As a team, put him in position to be successful

00:34:01 and he picks his spots.

00:34:02 Like he's not running every single play.

00:34:04 He's trying to throw most of the time,

00:34:06 but when he runs, he's super dynamic at it.

00:34:08 - You mentioned Drake May.

00:34:10 So move on to him.

00:34:11 Honestly, the Jaden Daniels,

00:34:12 I'm definitely seeing things differently personally.

00:34:15 So thank you for that.

00:34:16 Now with Drake May, he's really been my QB2 in this class.

00:34:20 Like I think the upside is just so high with him.

00:34:22 But honestly, I started charting.

00:34:24 Where like, it's easy when you just watch through,

00:34:26 sometimes the good stuff can kind of stick in your head

00:34:28 and the bad stuff, it's like, all right, that was that.

00:34:31 Then I started charting and I'm like, okay,

00:34:32 like I'm being honest, he's very inconsistent,

00:34:34 especially last season.

00:34:36 Then you go back to 2022, it's a little bit better.

00:34:39 Obviously coaching change might add something

00:34:40 to do with that.

00:34:41 The footwork seemed a little bit more consistent.

00:34:43 So I'm curious from your perspective,

00:34:45 when you look at where his footwork is kind of now,

00:34:47 where he's got the narrow base,

00:34:49 his little heel click, all the buzzwords,

00:34:51 all that fun stuff.

00:34:52 But then if he comes to New England,

00:34:53 he's going into a West Coast style offense

00:34:55 with Alex Van Pelt, where he's got his own style of footwork

00:34:58 that he's gonna drill into this guy.

00:35:00 Do you think that the issues with his mechanics

00:35:02 are things that are reasonably fixable?

00:35:05 And if so, what would your expectations be maybe,

00:35:07 throughout his first season, just to set some kind of bar

00:35:11 so people understand what to realistically expect?

00:35:13 - Yeah, I think what Drake may,

00:35:16 I actually, I'm doing a breakdown tape for all these guys.

00:35:21 So I posted a seven minute one of Pinnock's earlier.

00:35:24 I'm about to post one of JJ

00:35:26 and then post one of Bo later today.

00:35:28 Drake, I post tomorrow.

00:35:30 And I didn't mention this in the video,

00:35:32 but as you were talking, I'm like paying playing back plays

00:35:36 that I've seen from all the film

00:35:38 that I've watched of Drake may.

00:35:40 And he, in my opinion, does the opposite

00:35:43 of what coaches in the NFL coach you to do.

00:35:47 Not in a bad way.

00:35:50 Drake doesn't read with his feet.

00:35:53 He reads with his eyes.

00:35:56 - Right.

00:35:57 - Okay, so because he's doing that,

00:36:00 sometimes his feet are out of whack,

00:36:02 which can then affect his accuracy at times,

00:36:07 but it's not like so egregious that it's not fixable.

00:36:11 Okay, so I give Drake may grace,

00:36:15 because if you were to look at Trey Ritman's feet,

00:36:21 when he did the Cowboys, right?

00:36:22 Well, all the time, great Cowboys.

00:36:24 And you compared him in his prime

00:36:26 to the way that Aaron Rodgers feet are in his prime.

00:36:30 You'd be like, okay, well, one of these guys is wrong.

00:36:34 Right, because A-Rod's footwork is completely different

00:36:37 than Aitman's footwork, but it worked for that guy.

00:36:41 - Right.

00:36:42 - So I'm interested more so for Drake,

00:36:44 not to say, oh man, it's all over the place.

00:36:47 It's like, well, people said the same thing

00:36:49 about Aaron Rodgers and now everyone's copying him

00:36:52 because they see that it works.

00:36:54 I wanna see if what Drake does is what's best for him.

00:36:59 - Okay.

00:37:00 - So when he gets into the NFL

00:37:02 and he gets that NFL coaching,

00:37:04 do they realize that, okay, if we try to clean up his feet

00:37:08 to make him look like someone else,

00:37:10 is that really what's best for him?

00:37:13 That's what I'm more interested in

00:37:15 because everyone will tell you,

00:37:18 hey, if your feet are off, your accuracy is off.

00:37:20 And sometimes that's true, sometimes that's true,

00:37:24 but it's really more so about

00:37:25 having a consistent throwing base

00:37:27 and getting him through on those throws.

00:37:29 Well, you can't step into a throw.

00:37:32 And for me, that's what I see when I watch Drake.

00:37:34 I'm like, okay, he was a little high on that one,

00:37:36 but where's his feet?

00:37:37 Or was it because like something else mechanical

00:37:40 was a little off?

00:37:41 Because he's reading with his eyes

00:37:43 to where it's supposed to be a three-step drop

00:37:46 and he takes a one-rocker

00:37:48 and now he's sitting there hopping,

00:37:50 waiting for the rock to go in.

00:37:53 (laughing)

00:37:54 You know what I'm saying?

00:37:55 - Right.

00:37:56 - And he makes the throw.

00:37:58 I've been very cautious to be like

00:38:00 hella critical of Drake because I've seen,

00:38:04 I watched it, I called his Clemson game this year

00:38:06 and he missed more throws in that Clemson game

00:38:08 than any other game throughout the season,

00:38:10 even more than the NC State game.

00:38:12 And I just had a point from the NC State game

00:38:14 and I watched it back, impressed by Drake.

00:38:17 - Really?

00:38:18 - And the reason I came away impressed is

00:38:20 this man missed a bunch of throws early in the game.

00:38:24 And I actually detailed this on ESPN.

00:38:26 He missed a throw, boom, to his left.

00:38:29 Early in the game, he threw it to the third.

00:38:32 You know what I'm talking about.

00:38:32 - I know exactly what you're talking about, yep.

00:38:35 - Yeah.

00:38:35 - He came back late in the game

00:38:38 and threw a touchdown, going in the same direction.

00:38:41 Boom to his left, threw a touchdown to his third.

00:38:42 - Tight end, yep.

00:38:43 - You know what I'm saying?

00:38:45 So like, I was impressed by that

00:38:48 because it was like, okay, he threw out a bad throw.

00:38:50 You know who else had some bad throws?

00:38:52 Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers,

00:38:57 John Elwood, they all had bad throws,

00:39:00 but you gotta play the next play.

00:39:02 And he did that.

00:39:03 And honestly, like I watched the NC State game

00:39:07 and if I was a scout or a coach, a head coach, a GM,

00:39:11 an owner, and I saw how he reacted in that game

00:39:14 to the adversity he was facing,

00:39:16 I would feel more comfortable drafting him.

00:39:18 He never quit in that game.

00:39:20 They were down big.

00:39:21 He never quit.

00:39:22 If you remember, he actually went out late in the game.

00:39:25 He got hurt for a series.

00:39:27 If you don't, that's okay.

00:39:28 I've watched every single snap of all these quarterbacks.

00:39:32 He went out the series before the last series of the game

00:39:35 with an injury.

00:39:36 Came back in.

00:39:39 They had no chance of winning.

00:39:41 He came back in and finished the game.

00:39:42 9th-third interception, that bounced off his guy's hands.

00:39:46 But it was the thought of,

00:39:50 this is a meaningless game for him.

00:39:52 He's leaving.

00:39:53 He's going to let go of his last game.

00:39:57 And he still finished it

00:39:58 because he wanted to be there for his brother.

00:40:00 So I came away impressed with the mentality

00:40:02 because the skill is there.

00:40:05 I wouldn't try to change who Drake May is.

00:40:07 I would just try to make him consistent.

00:40:09 Hey, fam, if you're gonna do that little thing

00:40:10 with your feet, do it every time.

00:40:13 Because if you do it every time,

00:40:14 you'll be more consistent

00:40:15 because your body will get used to that.

00:40:18 You just can't have you doing it this way one time

00:40:20 and this way another time and this way another time.

00:40:22 Don't be so critical to say, he's gotta be this.

00:40:26 'Cause I tell you right now,

00:40:27 nobody throws like Lamar Jackson.

00:40:29 Nobody has the same footwork.

00:40:30 Nobody has the same throwing motion,

00:40:33 but he has his own and he's mastered it.

00:40:35 And that's what I want to see from Drake.

00:40:37 What is his throwing motion?

00:40:39 - Absolutely, the consistency is the biggest part of it.

00:40:41 Again, even 2022, it just looks the same more often

00:40:44 than it did in 2023.

00:40:45 And you talk about the way he fought at the end of games.

00:40:47 I forget which game it is,

00:40:48 but you know the fourth and 21

00:40:50 where he's getting hit in a blowout

00:40:52 and then just let that thing rip down the side.

00:40:55 He had a few touchdowns in blowout games

00:40:57 where it's like they have no chance of coming back

00:40:59 and there's no quit in this guy.

00:41:00 And you saw it in his pro day

00:41:01 where he had some bad throws early on

00:41:03 and then was like, nope, let me go back and do those again.

00:41:05 So I completely agree.

00:41:06 I like the resiliency shown consistently.

00:41:09 I guess the only other thing I'm just curious

00:41:11 with you about is that in terms of processing,

00:41:14 I felt like sometimes he would just get

00:41:15 through his reach so fast.

00:41:16 He's going to one side, back to the other side,

00:41:18 then he's coming back.

00:41:20 Stuff like that.

00:41:20 Maybe some of the superheroics where I think

00:41:23 in terms of ball protection, for the most part,

00:41:24 like he's got a turnover worthy play rate under 2%.

00:41:28 I think that generally he does a good job

00:41:30 protecting the ball.

00:41:31 There are some times where he can make plays,

00:41:34 but then it also backfires where he tries

00:41:36 to make a throw last second and then he gets stripped

00:41:38 or he tries to throw across his body.

00:41:40 Do you think that's just something with experience?

00:41:41 Like he'll figure out what he can and can't do,

00:41:44 especially with the processing,

00:41:45 once he gets more calm and experienced,

00:41:46 but you don't want to take away some of those superheroics

00:41:49 'cause those are the things that make him special.

00:41:51 - Yeah, a hundred percent.

00:41:52 You want to talk about the experience?

00:41:54 I was a four-year starter in college, right?

00:41:56 So I started as a freshman,

00:41:57 then I tore my ACL as a sophomore.

00:41:59 Not a lot of people remember that

00:42:00 'cause they just, they remember the Heisman.

00:42:02 I actually thought my career was over my sophomore year.

00:42:05 So I started as a freshman, started as a sophomore,

00:42:07 then came back as a redshirt sophomore, started again,

00:42:10 and then started as a redshirt junior.

00:42:12 I had four years, really three years and three games

00:42:16 of like full-on college football to get better.

00:42:20 If you saw me when I was a freshman, freshman All-American,

00:42:24 but I was a different player as a freshman

00:42:27 than I was as a redshirt junior.

00:42:29 I ran for 280 yards in a game as a freshman.

00:42:35 Against Washington State,

00:42:37 I probably gave myself 50 more yards, but it was a lot.

00:42:39 It was over 200 yards.

00:42:41 You know, as the years go on,

00:42:43 the yards just keep going back up, you know what I'm saying?

00:42:46 - Every day, it's another couple of yards.

00:42:48 - I went for like 230 whatever yards in that game.

00:42:51 I never touched that again in my college career.

00:42:54 By the time I was a redshirt junior,

00:42:56 I was throwing for 300, 400 yards a game, right?

00:42:59 That was the progression.

00:43:01 If Drake May had gone back for another year,

00:43:03 would he have been a better player? Yes.

00:43:05 You talked about the heroics, pit game.

00:43:08 When he's doing his own lead,

00:43:10 receiver releases down the sideline,

00:43:12 corner comes off the receiver,

00:43:13 and he throws it to the receiver with his left hand.

00:43:16 Okay? That's incredible.

00:43:18 You don't do that unless you're comfortable

00:43:22 with who you are as a player and know that,

00:43:24 hey, I got this in my bag of tricks.

00:43:26 But when you talk about the reads,

00:43:28 we talked about Jayden and how he was going from,

00:43:31 skipping from one to two and going straight to three to four.

00:43:34 He was doing that because he started 56 games in college.

00:43:37 - Right.

00:43:39 - He knew when to skip.

00:43:41 Sometimes with Drake,

00:43:43 he would skip when he didn't need to skip.

00:43:46 - Right.

00:43:47 - When he needed to go one to two to three,

00:43:49 he would go two to three to four

00:43:50 because he was thinking, oh, I remember this look.

00:43:53 He knew it, sometimes catch him off guard.

00:43:55 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:43:56 You live and you learn.

00:43:58 The more you play the game, the better you get at the game.

00:44:01 So if you see him scanning across the field and going back,

00:44:06 maybe he missed something on that particular play.

00:44:09 That doesn't mean he's a bad player.

00:44:10 It doesn't mean that, like,

00:44:11 I saw some of his interceptions in that NC State game.

00:44:15 I think he threw three picks.

00:44:16 Two of them weren't even his fault.

00:44:17 - Yeah.

00:44:18 - And I'm like, but you look at the box score

00:44:21 and you're like, oh my gosh, he was terrible that game.

00:44:24 And I'm watching the game,

00:44:25 I'm like, he really wasn't that bad, guys.

00:44:27 Like, you are gassing this for likes or whatever.

00:44:31 So for Drake, I do think it's something

00:44:33 that over the course of time, he can improve.

00:44:36 I still think he needs to sit a year.

00:44:38 I think if he plays, he will play well.

00:44:42 I've heard some people say that if he plays,

00:44:44 he won't play very well and it'll be catastrophic.

00:44:46 That's not true.

00:44:47 - No, no, no, no, no.

00:44:48 - Way too talented.

00:44:49 - Yeah.

00:44:50 - Way too talented to not play well.

00:44:52 But will it be what's best for him?

00:44:54 I don't think so.

00:44:55 I think he needs that Patrick Mahomes year.

00:44:57 Sit down, learn NFL offense,

00:45:00 learn how to make throws in the NFL.

00:45:01 Tyreek Hill once told me that the first time he saw

00:45:05 Patrick Mahomes play in practice,

00:45:08 he said that guy will never be a starter.

00:45:10 You're talking about Patrick Mahomes,

00:45:12 a guy who's the second greatest quarterback

00:45:14 in NFL history already

00:45:15 and chasing Tom Brady's GOAT status of seven rings.

00:45:19 And Tyreek Hill said he'd never start in the NFL.

00:45:22 You gotta give guys time to develop.

00:45:24 Jerick May needs that year to where he can develop

00:45:27 and not have any stress or whatever

00:45:29 and truly get in bed with the team

00:45:31 that he's gonna be with.

00:45:32 - I agree.

00:45:33 And then even just like the processing,

00:45:35 like if this guy's getting man coverage,

00:45:37 he's trying to throw down the sideline.

00:45:38 If he's getting covered too,

00:45:39 he's hitting the team, he's hitting the honey hole.

00:45:40 It's like, this is not a guy

00:45:42 who doesn't know how to read a defense.

00:45:43 It's actually incredible what he can process.

00:45:46 And like, oh, the heat's coming from over here.

00:45:47 He'll immediately take the snap and start drifting

00:45:50 'cause he knows pressure's coming.

00:45:51 Like it's not a dude who's not like QB savvy.

00:45:53 It's more that knows sometimes you just make mistakes

00:45:56 and sometimes you gotta learn from those mistakes.

00:45:58 - You're talking about that throw against Clemson.

00:46:00 I know what you're talking about.

00:46:02 They had a play action pass,

00:46:04 his tight end in the wing spot ended up chipping

00:46:07 and going to the flat and left number 17 to blitz him.

00:46:11 Drake May drops back, drifts to the right,

00:46:15 throws it off his back foot

00:46:16 and hits a crosser for a touchdown.

00:46:18 I know that because I watched it,

00:46:21 but I also broke it down on the tape.

00:46:22 So it's like, he has those types of plays.

00:46:25 You're like, you can't coach that.

00:46:27 - Exactly.

00:46:28 - He has a feel for the game.

00:46:29 It's not like he's just a robot out there

00:46:32 and he's strong arm, fast.

00:46:35 Oh, I can't process.

00:46:36 That's not what he's doing.

00:46:38 He is processing.

00:46:39 He's just a young player.

00:46:41 Give him a chance to develop.

00:46:42 And I think whatever team drafts him,

00:46:44 they'll be very happy with him.

00:46:45 - And things are always one of those words

00:46:46 where you say it and it sounds like,

00:46:48 you know, you're just throwing that out there.

00:46:49 But really man, with him, he's not just a bundle of traits.

00:46:52 And talk about that Clemson game

00:46:53 and intercept his artist's fault.

00:46:54 I think he had two game ceiling interceptions

00:46:56 where the receiver literally just didn't come back

00:46:58 for the ball.

00:46:59 And it's like, well, and that's on him.

00:47:01 The guy stopped and the defender's only one

00:47:03 who came back for it.

00:47:04 So we can move on from Drake.

00:47:06 I could talk about him for another hour,

00:47:07 but let's move on to some other guys.

00:47:09 The stars of your Dragon Ball Z comp breakdown.

00:47:12 So JJ McCarthy, Michael Pennix Jr.

00:47:15 People are talking about JJ, you know, with the Patriots.

00:47:17 I told the Patriots are gonna either take Drake,

00:47:20 take JJ, or they're gonna trade back.

00:47:22 They trade back, now it's been reported

00:47:23 they might take Michael Pennix Jr.

00:47:25 JJ is a guy, we've already touched on it.

00:47:27 He's got traits, like the leadership abilities there.

00:47:29 That's the first thing everyone talks about.

00:47:31 His athleticism is definitely underrated.

00:47:33 But of course, even with the pedigree, he is unproven.

00:47:36 He just didn't get a ton of opportunities.

00:47:37 Michael Pennix Jr., other end of that spectrum,

00:47:40 where he had a lot of opportunities,

00:47:41 showed a lot of his talent.

00:47:43 Also to be fair, an underrated athlete,

00:47:45 but someone because of the injuries and the age,

00:47:47 probably gonna be taken a little bit later.

00:47:49 So please feel free to throw in your Dragon Ball Z comps.

00:47:52 But at the same time, do you think each of these guys

00:47:55 are worthy of top 10 picks?

00:47:56 Like some people have them pegged as at this point.

00:47:59 - Yeah, I actually do.

00:48:01 And I know people will say about me like,

00:48:03 "Man, you can't find anything negative about these guys."

00:48:06 It's like, no, I just choose to show you guys

00:48:09 what they do great on my platforms.

00:48:12 - Right. - You asked me about Drake May.

00:48:13 I told you about Drake May.

00:48:15 I told you about some of his shortcomings.

00:48:17 But on my platform, I don't need to tell you that.

00:48:20 You got enough people out there telling you

00:48:21 how bad these guys are.

00:48:23 I'm gonna tell you what they do great.

00:48:25 So for JJ, I said he's Android 17.

00:48:29 I'm a Dragon Ball Z nerd, I love it.

00:48:31 Android 17, when he first shows up,

00:48:34 is very, he's very undisciplined.

00:48:38 He's an undisciplined, disciplined fighter, right?

00:48:42 He just, "Oh, look, there's someone over there.

00:48:45 "I'm gonna go whip their ass."

00:48:46 And he goes and whips them.

00:48:48 I just want to be stronger than that guy.

00:48:50 He just does stuff on a whim, right?

00:48:52 JJ was the same way when he first got to Michigan.

00:48:55 I want to make every throw, every run,

00:48:57 every big play, every single play.

00:48:59 But by the time he got to his junior year,

00:49:02 he was no longer doing that.

00:49:04 He was making the right play.

00:49:06 He was making the right throw.

00:49:08 And I felt like that progression

00:49:10 between him and Android 17

00:49:12 is what you saw in Dragon Ball Z,

00:49:13 where 17 eventually becomes a park ranger.

00:49:17 And he's like the most efficient park ranger of all time.

00:49:20 And he's like, you know, toying with bad guys,

00:49:23 making sure that the animals are all safe.

00:49:25 And then he saves the world a couple of times, right?

00:49:27 When you need them, they show up.

00:49:30 Android 7 Plus, JJ McCarthy has the best QBR

00:49:34 in the entire college football.

00:49:36 So for me, I've heard people say,

00:49:39 "Oh, he was carried by the team."

00:49:41 He was not carried by that team.

00:49:43 Yes, I know he didn't, like, throw a pass

00:49:46 in the second half of one of the games.

00:49:47 I get it.

00:49:49 You just mad 'cause you couldn't win the game?

00:49:50 Like, you won the game.

00:49:52 (laughing)

00:49:53 But for what they asked him to do,

00:49:55 he did it to perfection.

00:49:57 And he has the skill set to do more.

00:49:59 They just didn't ask him to do it.

00:50:01 So that, to me, I'm not gonna hold that against JJ.

00:50:04 I like him as a guy.

00:50:06 You hear all the leadership stuff,

00:50:07 but sometimes people say it so much

00:50:10 that it almost sounds like they're coping for his ability.

00:50:15 And I just, I hate that.

00:50:17 No one's coping for his ability.

00:50:19 He has extreme ability.

00:50:21 Does he have the same arm as some of the other guys?

00:50:23 No, but he's got plenty enough arm.

00:50:25 And this is all respect to him as well.

00:50:28 He ain't got a Chad Pennington arm, okay?

00:50:31 He's got more than enough arm.

00:50:32 It's just that, you know, Caleb Williams is ridiculous

00:50:35 and Michael Pennix has the strongest arm in the draft.

00:50:37 (laughing)

00:50:38 I mean, it's ridiculous. - You know what it is?

00:50:40 So for Pennix, I said, Pennix is Piccolo.

00:50:42 And it's not just 'cause he's black.

00:50:44 Everyone that follows Dragon Ball Z

00:50:46 knows that the Namibians are black.

00:50:48 And they look like one of the heroes.

00:50:49 I can't believe it.

00:50:50 I'm gonna stop, but I was upset about that.

00:50:53 I ain't gonna lie, I was pissed.

00:50:53 (laughing)

00:50:54 But Piccolo was the guy in Dragon Ball Z

00:50:58 who went from being the villain to being the hero, right?

00:51:01 Michael Pennix Jr. had four season-ending injuries

00:51:04 at Indiana before he went to Washington.

00:51:06 So not necessarily the villain, but kind of forgotten about.

00:51:09 "Ah, nah, he can't do it.

00:51:12 Piccolo, ah, nah, he can't save the Earth.

00:51:14 He's a villain.

00:51:15 Nobody wants that guy.

00:51:16 They just needed someone to believe in him," right?

00:51:19 So I know it sounds sentimental,

00:51:21 but Kalen DeBoer believed in Michael Pennix Jr.

00:51:24 And he brought him to Washington and they made magic there.

00:51:28 Goku believed in Piccolo.

00:51:30 And when he did that special beam cannon against Radix

00:51:33 and basically killed both of them,

00:51:35 it was because Goku knew that Piccolo could save the Earth

00:51:39 and he could make it happen.

00:51:40 So they both got a special beam cannon.

00:51:43 And I've said this time and time again about Michael Pennix,

00:51:46 he is a lefty, but he throws it just right.

00:51:50 I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen a guy

00:51:53 make the kind of throws that he made on tape.

00:51:57 The one that I'll mention is the Texas one,

00:52:00 when he, it was supposed to be like a fake toss.

00:52:05 And I broke it down today,

00:52:07 so everybody go check it out on Twitter.

00:52:09 It was supposed to be like a fake toss to the running back,

00:52:11 but Mike was so locked in, he didn't even do a fake toss

00:52:15 'cause he saw the defense.

00:52:17 So he kind of like did a little token fake in front of him,

00:52:20 took a nice one-two rocker and threw the ball.

00:52:23 Like if the DB was in the throwing lane,

00:52:26 it would have went through his chest.

00:52:28 He hit it that hard.

00:52:29 And I've never seen a guy be able to make throws

00:52:34 15, 20, 25, 30 yards down the field

00:52:37 like they're five yards away.

00:52:39 And that to me is a special trait.

00:52:42 I'll give you one other, I didn't break this in the tape,

00:52:45 but he threw a touchdown pass two years ago

00:52:47 to Wayne Tualapapa, which is one of my favorite names

00:52:50 in all the college football I've seen.

00:52:52 Because Tualapapa, he scored a touchdown

00:52:54 and I said, "Who's your daddy now?"

00:52:57 I just, I couldn't-

00:52:57 - I remember, I do remember that.

00:52:59 (laughing)

00:53:00 - I enjoyed it.

00:53:01 But he was running down the sideline.

00:53:03 This was against Michigan State, 2022.

00:53:07 And he threw a back shoulder fade to Wayne Tualapapa.

00:53:12 It was about 35 yards away.

00:53:15 And he threw the ball so hard,

00:53:18 I could hear it whistle from the booth.

00:53:20 - The booth?

00:53:21 - From the booth.

00:53:22 You could hear, "Whoosh."

00:53:23 I said, "Oh my God."

00:53:25 (laughing)

00:53:27 Wayne Tualapapa didn't have a choice, but to catch it.

00:53:32 That's how hard he threw it.

00:53:34 And right on his face.

00:53:35 If he didn't catch it,

00:53:36 he'd probably be in the ER right now.

00:53:38 You know what I'm saying?

00:53:39 Like it was, I've never seen something like that.

00:53:42 So for Pinnocks, I've said this time and time again,

00:53:45 go through the numbers.

00:53:47 Stats are like bikinis.

00:53:49 They show you a lot, but they don't show you everything.

00:53:51 But for Pinnocks, look at his numbers.

00:53:54 He threw the ball more than any quarterback

00:53:56 in the country last year.

00:53:57 So he had 36 touchdowns, I believe nine interceptions.

00:54:03 He had the most throws of any other quarterback.

00:54:05 So he made the most decisions in the past game.

00:54:08 And he was still efficient.

00:54:10 If he threw 36 touchdowns and 25 picks,

00:54:14 we wouldn't be talking about him.

00:54:16 But they literally put the game on his shoulders

00:54:20 every single week.

00:54:22 And he delivered.

00:54:23 That to me is a special type of player.

00:54:27 That to me is a guy that I think NFL coaches,

00:54:29 they want to have him because they know

00:54:32 there's nothing that they can put on his shoulders

00:54:33 that he won't be able to handle.

00:54:35 - The more I think about McCarthy and Pinnocks,

00:54:37 honestly, they're very similar.

00:54:38 'Cause also guys, like you said,

00:54:40 when they're called upon, they make the play.

00:54:42 And also they talk about Pinnocks and McCarthy,

00:54:44 both guys where you talk about character first,

00:54:46 but Pinnocks is more 'cause it's like,

00:54:47 this dude has license plates.

00:54:49 Like he's not scared of anything.

00:54:50 He's a great leader.

00:54:51 And you already know in crunch time,

00:54:52 like he'll make that throw to Roma Dunzey.

00:54:54 You got your X, one-on-one, is he gonna win?

00:54:57 He knows who he's got.

00:54:58 He throws to him and he doesn't care if it's downfield.

00:55:00 He makes a tough throw.

00:55:01 And he completes it more often than not.

00:55:03 - And the same thing was there.

00:55:05 The same thing was cheating to Roma Dunzey.

00:55:07 You're talking about the Oregon game.

00:55:08 I know you're talking about.

00:55:09 He was cheating to Rome and Mike said,

00:55:12 "Man, that don't matter."

00:55:14 I said, "Yeah."

00:55:15 He just beat him with the throw.

00:55:17 And I just think,

00:55:20 I know it sounds like a Michael Pinnocks love fest,

00:55:22 but I just have a great appreciation for

00:55:27 guys that do things that I just haven't seen before.

00:55:30 And the way he throws the ball is like,

00:55:32 man, that's special.

00:55:35 That is really, that's next level.

00:55:37 And I know we all talk about Mahomes and what he does.

00:55:40 Mahomes is just creative and can throw from any platform.

00:55:44 This guy has an arm that is like

00:55:47 once in a generation type of arm.

00:55:49 So that's saying a lot.

00:55:52 - Last thing on these guys,

00:55:53 I feel like another similarity,

00:55:54 both of them get kind of criticism for their lack of touch.

00:55:57 You know, it's more like they throw like that javelin

00:55:59 where it's kind of getting on you real quick.

00:56:01 I'm curious, is that something

00:56:02 you can still make work in the NFL?

00:56:04 Is that something that you can develop?

00:56:06 Pinnocks has plenty of experience,

00:56:07 but is that something you can add to your game

00:56:08 or is it just something that, hey, it's how they throw?

00:56:10 Just make it work.

00:56:12 - No, I think, I do think he has touch.

00:56:14 Like I know Kaepernick, when he came out,

00:56:16 that was a knock on Kaep.

00:56:17 Like everything he threw was a million miles an hour.

00:56:20 I don't think Pinnocks is the same way.

00:56:22 I think we get a little enamored

00:56:23 with some of the throws we were just talking about.

00:56:26 So that makes you feel like,

00:56:27 damn, is he throwing like that all the time?

00:56:28 Like he's really not, he's not throwing a five yard shallow

00:56:31 while he's throwing a 30 yard post.

00:56:33 So I think he does have touch.

00:56:35 He has missed some throws, 15 yards and underneath

00:56:40 because he's trying to like get it there.

00:56:43 But that's any quarterback again.

00:56:46 I think for him, it's just a matter of getting used

00:56:48 to the NFL structure.

00:56:50 And he has more than enough arm.

00:56:52 I kind of went through this when I was even going up

00:56:55 from high school to college to the NFL,

00:56:58 that as you go up levels,

00:57:00 you can throw the ball a little bit harder,

00:57:02 not because you're stronger,

00:57:03 but because the guys you're throwing to are better.

00:57:05 So I think for him, it's gonna naturally level itself out

00:57:10 because the guys that he's throwing to

00:57:12 will be better receivers, even though he has the dogs.

00:57:15 I mean, not all puns intended,

00:57:18 the Huskies, but he has the dogs at Washington.

00:57:20 But I think he'll be fine from that standpoint.

00:57:23 And he'll realize those windows in the NFL are tighter.

00:57:27 He doesn't need to muster more strength.

00:57:29 He has that already.

00:57:30 It's just more about getting used to the timing

00:57:32 and rhythm in the NFL.

00:57:33 - Last thing, I appreciate you taking all this time, man.

00:57:37 It really means a lot.

00:57:38 We talked about all these quarterbacks.

00:57:40 Again, this is a Patriots podcast.

00:57:42 So at that number three pick,

00:57:44 what do you think the Patriots should do?

00:57:46 Assuming, you know, Jaden Daniels is off the board

00:57:49 and the decision is between May, JJ, Panics,

00:57:52 and then a trade back potentially in that scenario.

00:57:54 If you're the GM, what's your call?

00:57:56 - If I'm the GM, okay, I'm not,

00:58:02 but if I'm the GM, I trade out of the third pick

00:58:05 and I trade out of it.

00:58:07 I was just on ESPN today

00:58:08 and they asked me a similar question.

00:58:10 Hey, what do you do at the third pick?

00:58:12 So I'm not a guy that just randomly says stuff.

00:58:15 I said, I would pick Drake May

00:58:17 if he's the guy the team believes in.

00:58:20 - Yep.

00:58:21 - If Drake May is the guy that they want, draft him.

00:58:25 You'll find your receiver,

00:58:27 but you don't want to pass up on him

00:58:29 and move back to get a receiver

00:58:32 if he's the quarterback you want.

00:58:34 All right, so that's what I said earlier today

00:58:36 and I stand by that.

00:58:37 If I'm the GM, I'm trading out of the pick.

00:58:41 And the reason is I know someone's gonna come up

00:58:43 and take Drake May or whoever they want at QB,

00:58:47 but I'm gonna be able to probably get my receiver

00:58:49 and Michael Penix Jr. in the same draft.

00:58:52 So that to me is very important.

00:58:56 And I think Michael Penix is ready to play now.

00:58:59 I don't think he needs to sit a year behind Jacoby Bursette.

00:59:03 And if you get your number one receiver,

00:59:05 your whole outlook on your season, it looks different now.

00:59:10 Wherever Michael Penix Jr. goes,

00:59:14 his receiving core will be the happiest receiving core

00:59:18 in the draft.

00:59:19 Because the main had four dogs at wide receiver.

00:59:23 Romer Doomsday, Jalen McMillan, Jalen Polk, Jeremy Bernard,

00:59:26 every single one of them, eight at Washington.

00:59:30 You know how hard that is to do?

00:59:32 I had Kendall White, Terrence Williams,

00:59:35 a guy named Tevin Reese who got drafted by the Bengals

00:59:39 and a guy named Lanier Samson.

00:59:41 And it was tough for me to get all four of them involved.

00:59:44 You talking about these,

00:59:45 he's got three guys that didn't get drafted

00:59:46 and Bernard might be a first round pick next year

00:59:49 or the year after whenever he's eligible.

00:59:51 He knows how to distribute the ball.

00:59:53 He knows when to use his legs.

00:59:55 And I think receivers are gonna love playing with him.

00:59:57 So that's what I would do.

00:59:58 I would trade back, get the receiver

01:00:00 and draft Michael Penix.

01:00:02 And then off we go.

01:00:03 Patriots should be a playoff team at a minimum.

01:00:07 And I mean that.

01:00:08 I think you're a playoff team at a minimum in year one

01:00:12 and then you get to build upon that after that.

01:00:15 - Best case for a trade back I've heard.

01:00:17 Great way to end the show.

01:00:18 All right, Robert, once again, thank you for the time, man.

01:00:21 Please remind the people where they can find you

01:00:22 and what exciting stuff I know you got

01:00:24 coming down the pipeline for draft week.

01:00:27 It's here.

01:00:28 - Yeah, I'm excited about the draft, man.

01:00:30 Like I never thought that I would do TV

01:00:32 because of some of the negative connotations

01:00:35 to the talking head deal.

01:00:37 You know, we talk in the locker room,

01:00:38 all this stuff to that guy,

01:00:39 but I'm truly having fun

01:00:41 and it's really because of the fans.

01:00:42 So I wanna say thank you guys.

01:00:44 I wouldn't have had a job or have a job right now

01:00:46 if it wasn't for the fans.

01:00:47 You can find me on all my social media channels at RG3,

01:00:51 which is really just RGIII.

01:00:54 Gotta try to get those Roman numerals right.

01:00:56 Right, gotta honor my dad and my grandpa.

01:00:59 But also at RG3, the ones.

01:01:01 Gonna have main man Kool-Aid McKinstry on the show

01:01:05 this week before the draft.

01:01:07 Have some fun with that.

01:01:08 You can find me in all those places.

01:01:10 And on Twitter and all my other social channels,

01:01:12 I'm gonna be posting these breakdowns

01:01:14 for the top eight quarterbacks, right?

01:01:17 And one of them,

01:01:18 there'll be a guy that people have kind of thrown away

01:01:20 and haven't been talking about him

01:01:21 because he's been hurt.

01:01:22 But I think he could be another guy that,

01:01:25 not the steel of the draft.

01:01:27 My steel of the draft is gonna be Spencer Rattler.

01:01:29 I think he's got some,

01:01:30 he's got some stuff. - Let's go.

01:01:32 Let's go.

01:01:32 - But I'm gonna break them all down,

01:01:35 give you like real insight,

01:01:36 not just like breeze through something

01:01:38 or only do one play.

01:01:39 Give you multiple plays

01:01:40 to show you what these guys can really do.

01:01:42 So be in tune for that.

01:01:43 And I'm gonna have,

01:01:44 I'm gonna post Bo Nicks later today

01:01:47 for the Dragon Ball Z comps.

01:01:49 Three more tomorrow and two more on Wednesday.

01:01:51 So let's have some fun with it.

01:01:54 - I can't wait to hear you set the record straight

01:01:55 on Spencer Rattler.

01:01:56 Dude is not getting enough love.

01:01:57 I've been trying to say it.

01:01:58 I get he's six feet tall.

01:01:59 So it's scary.

01:02:00 Yes, but he's an absolute baller.

01:02:02 So once again, man,

01:02:03 appreciate the time

01:02:04 and appreciate you all as always for watching.

01:02:06 Now take care of yourselves.

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