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00:00 the- what's going on everyone
00:16 Taylor Kyle's here for C. O. S.
00:17 media coming at you with
00:19 another episode of hats daily
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00:25 of C. O. S. media. It's drag
00:28 off. And I know for a long
00:30 you've been added of looking
00:32 through all these prospects
00:33 trying to see who would be a
00:34 good fit for this Patriots team
00:36 with a whole lot of holes it's
00:37 finally upon us and to help me
00:39 prepare this week I'm bringing
00:40 in some my favorite people in
00:42 the industry to give me an idea
00:43 where they think the Patriots
00:44 are at and what they should do
00:46 in the draft we're kicking off
00:47 the week with one of my
00:48 favorite people as I said
00:50 me to kinds of ESPN before we
00:53 get into all the many needs of
00:55 the Patriots absolutely
00:56 specifically on the office
00:57 during one of the busiest times
00:59 of the year yeah- you know
01:02 trying to get all my ducks in a
01:04 row for NFL live goes to
01:06 Detroit for the Thursday and
01:09 Friday of draft week- we do to
01:12 two hour shows- very focused of
01:15 course on the first round of
01:16 the draft- lot of Patriots talk
01:20 on all of our programming for
01:21 the very obvious reasons so I'm
01:23 excited to get into this with
01:24 you because nobody nobody knows
01:25 the Patriots as well as you.
01:27 All right so before we get into
01:29 the Patriots talk I'm curious
01:30 because you've watched a lot of
01:31 these first round prospects.
01:32 Yeah.
01:33 Is either your favorite or
01:34 someone you think isn't getting
01:36 enough love or if that's the
01:37 same person go with that.
01:38 Oh god I mean a lot of my
01:41 favorites are the players who
01:43 are getting a lot of love- I
01:45 mean I think the big three of
01:47 the wide receivers are and this
01:49 is what makes the Patriots pick
01:50 so interesting right or I guess
01:52 you know it introduces some
01:54 uncertainty to the equation-
01:57 they're just phenomenal I think
01:59 they're all so I think that
02:01 both have such all all three
02:03 have such incredible upside of
02:05 course talking about Marvin
02:06 Harris junior Roma doomsday and
02:07 Lake neighbors- and I just love
02:10 like it's a joy to watch their
02:12 tape honestly- but- those are
02:16 very obvious names that
02:16 everybody loves- I guess in the
02:18 in the later rounds I am very
02:21 high at lead McConkie is a
02:22 player maybe I would throw out
02:24 who- could be available for the
02:26 Patriots- the second round I
02:28 think. Very likely will be so
02:29 that's an interesting name-
02:31 probably not the profile that
02:32 most people are looking for for
02:33 your team get into that but- I
02:35 think- just his movement
02:38 abilities the his feel. For
02:41 defenses for zones the way he
02:43 sets up defenders work line of
02:45 scrimmage his hands at his
02:47 size- all really impressive.
02:50 Ladd mcconkie was born to run
02:52 the Patriots. And I think he's
02:54 going to be a great guy to be
02:55 able to get out routes I swear
02:57 and then the double moves off
02:58 it just bread and butter that's
02:59 gonna be fun to watch in the
03:00 pros. Now as we get into the
03:02 Patriots talk obviously there's
03:04 been a lot of talk about what
03:05 they should be doing with their
03:06 first pick because- there's so
03:07 many needs on the roster so
03:08 looking from a big picture
03:09 perspective. How do you feel
03:11 the Patriots are looking right
03:12 now considering they were
03:14 pretty quiet in for agency when
03:15 you talk about you know. What
03:16 they did out of. I felt like
03:18 internally. They do what they
03:19 needed to do this is a team
03:20 that's been doing a pretty good
03:21 job in the past few years and
03:23 it felt like even the guys
03:24 they didn't draft. But the guys
03:25 who've been doing the right
03:26 thing over the past few years.
03:27 Like they did a pretty good
03:29 job in that area but obviously.
03:30 Still a long way to go before
03:32 they're really competitive
03:33 roster. Yeah I have mixed
03:34 feelings because I feel like
03:36 all you you're right the
03:37 approach was very much to
03:39 reward- players in house and
03:42 all the players that they
03:44 retained are good players and
03:46 reasonable contracts. I mean I
03:48 guess you can't be that Josh
03:49 didn't really. I guess it's a
03:52 you know he wants to get on
03:55 himself but- yeah. So I don't
03:58 want to go on one hand I agree
03:59 with all the decisions they
04:00 made. On the other hand. If
04:03 they do get quarterback at
04:04 three and we'll talk about it I
04:06 would feel a lot better about
04:07 that decision. If there was if
04:11 they had made an effort or I
04:12 remember I know they made an
04:13 effort but if they had brought
04:14 in like a real playmaker- at
04:17 least a wide receiver- you
04:20 know. If we talk in a few days
04:22 and somehow they've traded for
04:23 Brandon I you I'll feel a lot
04:25 better about their offseason for
04:26 example though he's saying that
04:28 he he doesn't want to be
04:29 traded so- it's a bit of an
04:31 incomplete obviously we'll see
04:32 what they do in the draft and
04:33 that'll really inform how I
04:35 feel about the offseason. From
04:36 your lips of the football gods
04:38 ears when it comes to Brandon
04:39 I you I don't know that's gonna
04:40 happen but boy would that be
04:41 sweet. But like you mentioned
04:43 the Patriots didn't get a lack
04:44 of a firepower for a lack of
04:46 firepower. They did try to get
04:48 Calvin Ridley. I heard from
04:49 Gerard Mayo Robert Kraft you
04:51 probably said more than you
04:52 should have some of those
04:53 comments were a little off. All
04:54 but the bottom line seem to be
04:56 that the fact that they do have
04:57 an uncertain quarterback
04:58 position. Did play a factor in
04:59 their inability. To get that
05:01 caliber of players so. There's
05:03 a lot been some talk about what
05:05 they should do at number three.
05:06 Are there too many holes on
05:07 this roster that they should
05:08 trade and try to get more pics
05:10 more swings at the bat Gerard
05:11 Mayo's acknowledge. Is on the
05:12 table. And then obviously
05:14 there's talk about quarterback
05:15 Marvin Harrison junior which. I
05:16 mean that's kind of a pie in the
05:17 sky take for me I feel like
05:19 when you need a quarterback and
05:20 a left tackle you can't be going
05:21 and spending the number three
05:22 pick. On a wide receiver but-
05:24 how do you feel about what they
05:25 should do do you agree with the
05:27 take that. You know if you get
05:28 more pics it's better for a team
05:30 that is in this rebuild. Or you
05:32 of the kind of perspective and
05:33 that's where it is where I'm
05:34 at. But if you get the
05:35 quarterback that ends up solving
05:37 a lot of your problems makes a
05:38 lot of the other things easier.
05:39 And then you can kind of build
05:40 around that guy. Yeah I take the
05:42 quarterback in this case- because
05:44 I think it's the on one level
05:46 there's the abstract
05:47 conversation about team building
05:49 roster construction timeline and
05:52 I think in a vacuum. You can
05:54 certainly mount an argument for
05:55 them to pass on the quarterback
05:57 this year so that they can
05:58 improve the situation around the
05:59 quarterback and they would be
06:00 very well situated to do so. In
06:02 a draft that's remarkably-
06:04 stocked with you know at- right
06:06 receivers and tackles the two
06:07 positions that of course
06:08 patriots need the most- so
06:09 there's a real opportunity. To
06:11 set your quarterback for a
06:12 success. However that and that's
06:14 the abstract discussion. Then
06:16 there's the- real life
06:18 discussion where we're talking
06:19 about actual players we're
06:21 talking about. Specific
06:22 quarterbacks. If this was.
06:25 Twenty twenty two I would say
06:27 that you're not taking
06:28 quarterback you don't you I
06:29 guess I would have been. Right
06:30 like no right- but it's not.
06:34 So you know if we are talking
06:36 about. Dad Drake may or Jane
06:39 Daniels I would honestly feel
06:40 that they should take the
06:41 quarterback in either case not
06:42 everybody agrees on that count
06:44 but- my preference based on
06:46 what I've seen from those
06:47 quarterbacks would be to draft
06:49 them. And then attack the other
06:51 positions in a there's a
06:52 litany of things you could do-
06:55 but I feel like the opportunity
06:56 to get a quarterback that I
06:58 think- in those two can solve
07:01 some of the problems that this
07:02 franchise is faced over the
07:03 last few years is just too
07:04 tempting. When it comes to that
07:06 Drake may versus Jane Daniels
07:07 conversation we're gonna get
07:08 into a quick mark at the end of
07:10 the show. But it's really not
07:11 gonna be up to the Patriots or
07:12 us when it comes to who they
07:14 actually get to pick. If they
07:16 are going to choose between one
07:17 of those two guys so. What's
07:18 your take on the Jane Daniels
07:20 versus Drake may discussion
07:21 again this is more I guess for
07:22 the commanders because they
07:24 really do have the choice. But
07:25 obviously these are two guys
07:26 were one of them's gonna go to
07:27 New England they both have.
07:29 That make an exciting prospects.
07:30 Things that may worry a little
07:31 bit so where do you stand when
07:33 it comes to those two guys. I
07:34 like them both a fair amount I
07:37 which I know is a little bit of
07:38 a cop out answer but it's just
07:39 true I do like. I think
07:41 they both bring a lot to the
07:42 table. I'm very different
07:44 players however. You know
07:46 Daniels is tape last year.
07:49 It's amazing obviously was
07:50 incredible circumstances so and
07:51 that certainly informs although
07:53 we've seen quarterbacks who
07:54 were incredible situations. Most
07:56 recently CJ Stroud obviously go
07:58 on to have success in the NFL
07:59 so I don't think that's
08:00 necessarily. Means that he
08:02 won't have. Success just because
08:04 he played behind a great
08:05 offensive line with obviously
08:06 tremendous weapons at LSU but-
08:08 I think he's got a good arm I
08:09 wouldn't say a great arm but I
08:12 think I actually. It's funny
08:15 because he's so different from
08:16 Joe Burrow in some ways I
08:17 actually use arm strength is
08:18 being like kind of similar to
08:19 Joe Burrows. In that- you know
08:22 you throws with accuracy and
08:23 touch. He doesn't have like a
08:25 Herbert or Allen style how it's
08:27 there or I would say the other
08:28 two quarterbacks top three both
08:30 have stronger arms and more.
08:32 Armed talent but- he's very
08:34 accurate I think he's smart.
08:36 You saw the LSU offense you
08:38 know full field reads going
08:39 through his progressions good
08:40 decision making on the whole.
08:42 And then he's got like
08:43 incredible- speed. Now I think
08:46 it's important to distinguish.
08:48 His speed from playmaking which
08:51 is what I view the other two
08:52 quarterbacks is having- you
08:54 know Jane Daniels is when he
08:56 checks down to his feet which
08:57 he does often for good reason-
09:00 it's I mean it's unbelievable
09:02 he's amazing but he's checking
09:03 down to his feet he is not.
09:05 Breaking the pocket with an
09:06 intention to throw downfield
09:07 most of the time and I think
09:08 that's probably why I have a
09:09 slight preference for may. To
09:11 be honest because I think that-
09:13 creativity on the run the fact
09:16 that when he does break the
09:17 pocket he's so often keeping
09:18 his eyes downfield and trying
09:19 to make plays. That's just so
09:22 fundamental- it's not necessary
09:24 but so many of the great
09:26 quarterbacks in the NFL right
09:27 now have that ability of course
09:30 including- what I mentioned
09:31 Josh Allen in the Patriots
09:33 division. You do wonder what
09:35 J. Daniels one you don't know
09:36 how these guys are getting
09:37 coached and when you're the
09:37 best athlete on the field at
09:39 the quarterback position. I'm
09:41 sure his coaches are like yeah
09:43 man if you got a you got space
09:45 absolutely exploited. But then
09:46 there were also times where you
09:47 watch you're like- I get it but
09:49 there's also that did come up
09:51 and right behind you. That you
09:52 could it there's some parts
09:53 where I think Armstrong kind of
09:54 ties into the fact that. He
09:56 runs to run it doesn't always
09:57 run to throw. Because when you
09:59 seem kind of get off platform
10:00 have to make those throws on
10:01 the run. I know there's one of
10:03 the was against like I was
10:04 it's all miss where he's going
10:05 left. And he really has to put
10:07 his entire body in with kind of
10:08 strain so. I'm curious a bit.
10:11 You know. How where the ceiling
10:13 is in that case whether you
10:14 know just coached up a little
10:15 bit you'll see that part of his
10:16 game more. And that's kind of
10:18 why. I'm curious how you feel
10:20 about the Patriots. Potentially
10:22 trading back. Just a few spots
10:24 and maybe going for someone
10:25 like a J. J. McCarthy. Now
10:26 personally I'm of the belief
10:28 specially more recently were
10:29 like I do like J. J. when I see
10:31 J. J. is there a ton that we
10:32 don't know about his game
10:33 absolutely. But you also saw
10:35 like in third down sky was
10:36 hyper efficient I think he has.
10:38 Way more athleticism and play
10:40 make ability and he's getting
10:41 any credit for. Feels like
10:43 people just act like he's- I
10:45 guess in a sense kind of a Mac
10:46 Jones twenty twenty three Mac
10:47 Jones. It's not that at all the
10:51 program if you really want to
10:52 like squint at it like sure
10:54 they're national championship
10:55 winning teams. And you know. I
10:57 guess it felt like white guys I
10:58 guess but really athletically
10:59 they're completely different
11:00 prospects so. Yeah I would feel
11:02 about the idea the Patriots
11:04 maybe banking on what I would
11:05 maybe say it's more upside with
11:07 J. J. McCarthy. Versus what
11:08 J. and where you're saying. We
11:10 know we're gonna get. We this
11:12 is a guy who we can put on the
11:13 field he can contribute
11:14 immediately. And you know he
11:15 may still have room to grow but
11:17 I feel like for the most part
11:18 you kind of know what you're
11:18 gonna get. I have a preference
11:20 for Daniels however if you told
11:23 me that you could trade down.
11:25 And get him and get all this
11:26 incredible you know direct
11:28 draft capital process. That
11:29 would be alluring I'm just not
11:30 sure that's possible given the
11:31 way the league seems to view
11:32 J. J. McCarthy it could be
11:34 smoke but it sounds like he is
11:35 going to go in the top six
11:37 maybe I'm wrong right. So if
11:39 that were to happen you're
11:40 really not trading down that
11:41 far. And I don't know how much
11:43 you would actually pick up in
11:45 the process. For me to make the
11:46 difference worth it I do like
11:48 McCarthy I think he's. A really
11:50 interesting prospect. It's
11:53 funny I actually got a comp
11:54 today or at least. I kind of
11:57 floated one to my- call it
11:59 colleague Dan or last key. When
12:01 I was just watching him throw
12:02 he was a little bit of Ryan
12:04 Tannehill at times- who was
12:05 very mobile and I think they
12:07 have similar types of mobility-
12:10 but also sort of the way he
12:12 throws which is. The line drive.
12:15 Aspect of it- you know J. J.
12:17 McCarthy's all fastball- and I
12:19 think you can prove upon that
12:20 but it does remind me a little
12:22 bit of watching Tannehill at
12:23 times- I would not love him in.
12:28 New England unless you were able
12:29 to dramatically improve the
12:31 circumstances around him but to
12:33 our point I'm not sure that
12:34 be entirely possible to trade
12:36 down. Yeah it's interesting
12:37 any even in Michigan like to be
12:39 totally there I think he still
12:40 did a good amount with guys
12:42 were like Roman Wilson obviously
12:43 might be a second round paper
12:44 like. It's not an agent bar
12:46 like these are guys that he's
12:47 going to. We're probably gonna
12:48 be day three pick so again.
12:50 Kind of for that J. J. McCarthy
12:51 bandwagon if you're on it I do
12:53 think there's legitimately. A
12:55 case to make for him so. We're
12:57 going to get into a quick mark
12:59 we're going to do. A four round
13:00 see what kind of players we can
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14:03 easy. All right now let's fire
14:10 up the old mock draft machine.
14:12 That up and look at it yeah-
14:14 there we go all right. All
14:15 right so we're gonna go
14:16 patriots we think in three or
14:18 four rounds what sounds better.
14:19 I let's see three so that I
14:22 actually know what I'm talking
14:23 about. Some semblance of it. I
14:25 think three there's a nice
14:26 round. I'm gonna go with three
14:27 so that I actually know what I'm
14:29 talking about. Some semblance of
14:30 it. I think three there's a
14:31 nice round number. I was all
14:33 right so. Kick things off all
14:35 we got Drake may the crowd goes
14:37 wild unless you're a J. Daniels
14:39 fan which I'm sorry. So are we
14:41 locked into may or we think it
14:43 may be Martin Harrison maybe
14:45 look at the trade situations
14:46 how you feeling. Yeah I'm taking
14:48 may here- it's funny because I
14:51 we spend so much time talking
14:53 about may. Or whatever
14:55 quarterback versus a trade down
14:57 the line. And I think the
14:59 obvious option is of course the
15:01 Minnesota trade right- eleven
15:03 and twenty three moving up and
15:04 then throwing in a first really
15:05 the trail and package it's kind
15:07 of because you're looking at a
15:08 similar move- that I think
15:09 Marvin Harrison kind of it's
15:10 left out of the equation I don't
15:11 think you should I think he's
15:12 that good of a clean of a
15:13 prospect and I like I. If I'm a
15:16 pet span the idea of not having
15:18 him given the fact that that's
15:19 been an issue for you it does
15:20 make me a little sick on. I'm
15:23 that high on. I may say but I
15:25 would still take may for the
15:26 most part I just think. In this
15:28 draft- these quarterbacks I feel
15:31 high I like them enough.
15:33 Obviously you know I can say
15:34 next year doesn't look as good
15:35 and that always changes you
15:36 would have known J. Daniels
15:37 make the climb he did for
15:38 example. But I feel enough
15:40 personally of it I feel enough
15:42 conviction about these top three
15:44 that I would go quarterback.
15:46 You mentioned twenty twenty two
15:47 class were legitimately you look
15:48 back and you're like there was
15:49 not a true first rounder. In the
15:51 entire class really don't want
15:53 to play that kind of gambling
15:54 when you're the Patriots
15:55 restarting. And honestly I put
15:57 off watching Marvin Harrison
15:58 junior until. Last week or two
16:00 weeks ago. Just because I knew
16:02 what I was gonna find I knew
16:03 it was gonna I was gonna. Who's
16:04 gonna make me sad. And then I
16:06 watch and that's exactly what
16:07 happened the one thing that kind
16:08 of gives us all the Michigan
16:09 game. We're like there was an
16:11 interception that he really
16:12 fight for I was like oh so he's
16:13 human okay so he's not just out
16:15 here. Literally taking people
16:17 souls sending due to the shadow
16:18 on every play. But realistically
16:20 he's fantastic prospect so. I'm
16:22 sorry if you're on the Marvin
16:23 Harrison bandwagon but we got to
16:25 go with the quarterback and I'm
16:26 not mad about it from being
16:27 totally honest. All right now
16:29 are we gonna entertain the idea
16:31 of a trade here or do you want
16:32 to stick to the board and look
16:33 at some positions offense or
16:35 defense. Let's take to the
16:37 board. Stick to the board all
16:39 right so do we think this is
16:40 too early for honestly is there
16:42 any excuse for the Patriots to
16:43 take a defensive player in the
16:44 first three rounds if they stick
16:45 to where they are. Let's see who
16:47 we got. And the industry new
16:49 been Wilson this is using P. F.
16:52 S. obviously Tampa. Sanders still
16:55 is such a patriot but you don't
16:56 need him. Extra pick I'm
16:58 sprinting I'll do it myself I'm
17:01 going to get up to that board.
17:02 And get a little bit. Of course
17:04 not realistic right now. I yeah
17:05 he's such a bill Belichick
17:06 player. Lassiter so. I'll just
17:09 say this. If there was a
17:11 scenario where one of the really
17:13 the top three edges maybe even
17:16 four dropped you might consider
17:18 it but none of them have in
17:20 this I don't think that's likely
17:21 given the way things are shaking
17:23 out in the twenties and most of
17:24 the mocks I'm doing talking of
17:26 course about- does Turner led to
17:28 lot to Jared verse I guess chop
17:30 Robinson although I would be a
17:32 little bit really I'm I I'm not
17:33 a huge shoppers and so I think
17:35 you're gonna go receiver here
17:36 or tackle- and feel pretty good
17:38 about it. Just you're probably
17:40 not yeah I mean I can't see a
17:41 world in which to go defense.
17:42 Real quick I gotta ask you what
17:44 your take is on chop because
17:45 early on when he was actually
17:47 falling in these months grass I
17:48 was sprinting maybe it's the
17:49 Penn State me like maybe it's
17:50 getting the helmet little too
17:51 much. But he just like he scares
17:53 me like when I watch certain
17:54 players and I watch them I'm
17:55 like who. Wouldn't want to be
17:57 walking across you in a dark
17:58 alley he's in that category but
18:00 I don't watch him super closely
18:01 so what's your take. Yeah I just
18:04 don't. It's funny because I
18:06 think whatever the op the
18:08 opposite of traits build is what
18:10 is happening to me with edge
18:11 rushers where I just just
18:13 missed in so many examples of
18:14 last. Really five to seven years
18:17 of like raw. The edge rushers
18:20 coming into the NFL where you
18:22 know the production is not
18:23 there but the athleticism is
18:25 and that would be the case with
18:26 chop the get off the bend traits
18:28 are insane but he had four sacks
18:30 and we put him on tape he
18:31 there's he's so raw as a rusher
18:34 and I just don't love that
18:36 recent history I also think with
18:38 New England and Uche I feel
18:40 like. Yeah I would be surprised
18:42 if that was the kind of profile
18:43 of that dresser that they would
18:44 go for honestly. I think that's
18:46 what I would do but honestly-
18:48 so yeah I'm I'm a little bit
18:49 lower on him than a lot of
18:50 people because that. That does
18:52 make a lot of sense also kind of
18:54 ties into this discussion we're
18:55 talking about tackle. I feel
18:57 like we're seeing more every
18:58 year because there's so few
19:00 opportunities for these guys to
19:01 practice. Especially offensive
19:03 linemen where it's a position
19:04 that or- trans players in
19:06 general. Where it's so hard to
19:08 really. Get your fundamentals
19:09 down really refined craft
19:11 because- there are so few
19:12 chances do it in practices with
19:14 the- obviously you can't be
19:15 out of this much and there's not
19:16 as much physicality. So that's
19:18 where when it comes to like
19:19 tackles. If a Marius Mims were
19:21 to fall the Patriots I still
19:22 wonder. Is it more valuable to
19:24 have a guy who like yeah he
19:25 needs improvement but has the
19:27 experience where you know you
19:28 can probably learn more quickly.
19:30 Versus someone like a Mims
19:31 where you have so little
19:32 experience you're kind of
19:33 banking on this guy picking
19:34 things up. Without getting as
19:35 many reps as you'd ideally like
19:37 to have. The thing about Mims
19:39 is. It's eight starts right and
19:42 so that the sample size is
19:43 there's some injury history but-
19:45 it's not like chop where it's
19:46 like okay you you have the tools
19:48 but there's no production. In
19:49 those eight starts. He was
19:51 awesome. So I and against high
19:54 level competition to so I feel
19:56 like- yes there's a lot of ton
19:59 of projection there and the
20:00 lack of reps is concerning. But
20:02 I do think in the reps he did
20:04 have. You saw enough to feel
20:06 really good about his upside I
20:07 don't see him on our board but
20:09 if he was there I would take
20:10 him. Yeah where do you go you
20:12 probably. He went way early
20:14 where is he. I probably pass
20:17 himself well yeah he's gone
20:18 he's gone. All but no I am on
20:20 the same boat because anytime
20:22 someone does bring up the
20:23 inexperienced thing to me I'm
20:24 like no watch is tape and you
20:25 tell me how long you think he's
20:26 played. So of the people who are
20:28 on the board who do you like at
20:30 thirty four overall. Okay so-
20:34 tackle wise I'm seeing
20:35 Sumitia the Yale kids not great
20:39 wow. The EFF is really low on
20:41 Xavier Liggett I was. I don't
20:43 get it yet because that was
20:45 going to be I was looking for
20:47 him actually he bow. He's
20:49 usually my go to it's either
20:51 him or Kingsley Liggett's gone I
20:52 usually go with Kingsley in
20:54 these. Interesting yeah- for me
20:57 the debate it so. The concubine
21:00 the Patriots a little on the
21:01 nose- not an area of need
21:03 obviously what you I mean
21:04 here's the thing if we're
21:05 assuming that we're not trading
21:06 for Brandon I. you critique
21:08 against or whatever and this is
21:09 we're rolling into the year with
21:11 Osborne born. Douglas Rager
21:15 studio. Both Taekwon I don't
21:18 know if you've seen the you got
21:19 you got big I don't know what it
21:20 means I don't know what's gonna
21:21 translate but the dude got
21:22 swole. You need size and speed
21:26 and- we get brings that to the
21:29 table. I'm man I'm really going
21:31 off of their board I do like
21:32 pierce all I think he's got some
21:34 outside ability I think
21:35 Franklin. He's tricky for me
21:38 because he brings something that
21:39 you really need which is speed
21:41 and separation and he is really
21:43 good at that. And I in size is a
21:46 massive concern with is but I do
21:48 think- there's just so much
21:50 recent precedent of smaller
21:52 receivers slighter receivers
21:54 having success in the NFL. For
21:56 me it's going to be between
21:58 Liggett and Franklin. For this
22:01 water see for pick. You're not
22:03 you're not Coleman not in the
22:04 key on Coleman I don't think
22:06 he's what New England needs I
22:08 like him I think you need a
22:10 separator to be honest. For
22:13 Drake may- people won't agree
22:17 with this I'm gonna go
22:18 Franklin I actually I know he's
22:20 very divisive I know a lot of
22:21 people think he's too slight
22:22 but I think that he that speed I
22:25 think he's underrated route
22:26 runner he's a little craftier
22:27 than he's given credit for- and
22:30 I just think that speed is what
22:31 you need to round out that
22:33 receiving group. I agree on
22:35 speed I like you going against
22:36 the great little bit because
22:37 it's not fun honestly we pick
22:39 Liggett people have seen that
22:40 mock for me so many times. With
22:42 Franklin one he's a guy like I
22:44 know people are you know kind of
22:46 traumatized by the whole type
22:47 one Thornton experiment has yet
22:48 to end you know he's still on
22:49 the roster but- we've seen he
22:51 can't stay healthy. We've seen
22:52 the hands are an issue in Troy
22:53 Franklin does also have small
22:55 hands slight brain. The things
22:56 you do have to consider but
22:58 Franklin has experience at X.
22:59 Like again like you said. That's
23:01 something the Patriots actually
23:02 need and the route running I
23:04 agree he's someone who knows how
23:05 to use his speed. He's pretty
23:07 quick and unlike type one white
23:09 be like at this point is clear
23:10 is more of a one trick pony. I
23:11 mean he's really have any tricks
23:13 because I think he has less like
23:14 three hundred career yards. But
23:15 I don't think he gives you as
23:17 much underneath if you give him
23:18 a runway then you'll see that
23:19 straight line speed. But I feel
23:21 like Troy Franklin's got a
23:22 little bit more wiggle. And we
23:25 drive to Drake may. Drake may
23:28 will keep launching that thing
23:30 I mean that's one of my favorite
23:31 traits of his is that even though
23:33 the receivers he played with
23:34 were not good he kept attacking
23:36 he's he's he's super aggressive
23:38 and he will keep throwing the
23:39 ball downfield and I think in
23:41 Franklin you'd have a guy who
23:42 can actually be on the receiving
23:44 end of that and catch it now it
23:45 gets very fast too and I've
23:46 heard the DK Metcalf comparisons
23:48 and he is very physical and
23:50 imposing presence. It's
23:51 tempting but I think Franklin is
23:53 a little bit more polished to be
23:54 honest. I absolutely agree.
23:56 Drake may most big time throws
23:58 in this draft class which is
23:59 again mind blowing. You consider
24:01 the people he was playing with
24:02 and the fact that you got like
24:03 Michael Pennix Jr. up there
24:05 who's throwing a guy who's
24:06 going to get taken in the first
24:07 couple of days. I can't even
24:08 tell you guys number of go
24:09 balls that his receivers dropped
24:11 that had me like tearing out my
24:12 hair. So yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm
24:15 glad that I'm not the only one
24:16 who lost some follicles
24:17 watching that tape. Alright.
24:18 So we got Troy Franklin second.
24:20 Do we double dip a receiver and
24:22 bank on some of the depth that
24:24 tackle for whoever that's not
24:26 our business or are we going to
24:28 just bite the bite the bullet?
24:31 That's it. I was going to I
24:32 don't know what I was going to
24:33 say but are we going to bite the
24:34 bullet and take the guy from
24:35 Yale because it doesn't look
24:36 like there's any great tackle
24:38 prospects. Fish are solid but
24:40 probably not what you're
24:41 looking for right now. What do
24:43 you think? Are we keeping it to
24:44 tackle and receiver? I'm
24:46 looking at who we got. So we
24:48 got the Yale guy. I'm not going
24:49 to try to say his name. I
24:50 haven't learned the pronunciation
24:51 yet. So Ted Walker. I'm not
24:57 yet. One of the guys that I was
24:59 pulling my hair. We're
25:00 really just complaining about
25:01 them. Yeah. No. Who else do we
25:03 have at receivers? Johnny
25:05 Wilson is gigantic but I would
25:07 I would I think this is rich for
25:08 him. The third round. Wow.
25:10 There's so much. He's one of
25:12 those guys where if they got an
25:13 extra pick and could afford to
25:15 get a defender. Oh my God.
25:16 That's your UTA replacement.
25:17 Don't think twice. Javon Baker
25:19 is interesting. I'll just say
25:21 that he is. I'm trying to see
25:23 where he's been going mostly.
25:25 It's interesting to me. He's
25:27 weird. I feel like he could go
25:28 anywhere from like the mid to
25:29 late second to the fourth. I've
25:30 seen him taken all over the
25:32 place and I get why. Yeah. I
25:34 mean I think third round is
25:35 probably a little rich. Go back
25:39 up. Let's see. So so I know we
25:41 you know we've got our needs. I
25:44 do think it's funny because you
25:48 really don't need the into you
25:49 really do need a tackle.
25:50 Otherwise I would say Christian
25:51 Haynes is actually like a lot.
25:57 Trice is there. I do like
25:59 Trice. Yeah. It's tough. I
26:02 might. I think this would be
26:03 way easier but I know all of
26:05 this would be a lot easier. Um
26:08 okay. If you like the Yale guy
26:10 I I honestly I'm not gonna lie.
26:13 I have not watched it. This is
26:15 your mock me that you pick who
26:16 you want to pick. I'm not
26:18 going to I am not going to
26:20 pretend like I have watched a
26:22 minute of curing the Yale guy.
26:25 I know people like him a lot.
26:27 I'm pulling up his measureables
26:28 and I'm just curious and I
26:29 everyone says he's like
26:30 unbelievably raw but like very
26:32 intriguing is the thing you
26:33 hear a lot. Um I know Brandon
26:36 Thornton has him is like a
26:37 fourth round pick and I trust
26:38 Brandon's offensive line
26:40 opinions with my life. So is
26:42 Booker on the board? Booker's
26:44 on the board. Yeah. Booker
26:45 right there. Interesting. Wow.
26:46 They're low on on him. So for
26:49 me probably this point given who
26:51 we're seeing on this board I
26:53 would probably go with either
26:55 Booker or Trice because I do
26:56 think edge is a sneaky need for
26:58 the Patriots. Um I'll probably
27:01 take Trice uh who PFF is a
27:03 little bit higher on Booker. I
27:05 I it's I see the case for both.
27:08 Um I think Trice is a little
27:10 bit more. He's more pro ready
27:12 in my opinion. I think you saw
27:13 in the second half of the
27:14 season in Washington. I think
27:15 you know his production was
27:16 really heavily uh affected as he
27:18 came back from injury. Um and
27:20 it was he so he was quiet for a
27:22 while but he really came alive
27:24 in the second half of the year
27:25 against some very good
27:26 offensive lines and I think um
27:29 IIII let's see how old he is.
27:32 Yeah, he's a little bit of an
27:33 older prospect. He's 23. Okay.
27:35 But I think uh and Booker is
27:38 obviously quite a bit younger.
27:40 Uh maybe we should take Booker.
27:42 Okay, I'll take Booker. I'll
27:43 take Booker. I do like Booker.
27:44 I watched him. I had uh Mike
27:45 Renner on and he clued me onto
27:46 him. I hadn't really watched
27:47 him and I and I did like his
27:49 tape a lot. So, we'll go Austin
27:51 Booker there. Alright, the only
27:53 reason the age is two years
27:55 younger. He's two years younger
27:56 than Trice. That is pretty
27:58 significant and the only reason
27:59 I even watched Booker because
28:00 again, like I've been watching
28:01 defensive players unless the
28:02 Patriots have had them in for a
28:03 visit or shown some interest
28:05 just looking at his highlights
28:06 really quickly. I was like
28:07 there was a different move on
28:09 his uh on his highlight reel
28:10 every single clip and apparently
28:12 he hasn't really played the
28:13 position for very long. Yeah.
28:14 He's still developing needs to
28:16 fill out his frame but looking
28:17 at his pass our style, I was
28:19 like this is your Josh Uche
28:20 guy where if he balls out and
28:21 then earns a big contract
28:22 somewhere else or maybe he
28:23 doesn't play up to
28:24 expectation. You got another
28:25 guy in the wings who if he
28:26 fills out could maybe even be
28:28 your judo replacement down the
28:30 road. I'm looking at my notes
28:32 from him because I was trying
28:33 to remember um and I wrote
28:34 comp a horse, an actual horse.
28:37 Uh he's got an unbelievably
28:39 long gait. Uh he just yeah, he
28:43 six foot six uses his eyes um
28:47 like yeah II wrote down you
28:49 know question marks about
28:51 figuring out his pass rush plan
28:52 and his moves but the way he
28:54 moves his movement abilities
28:55 really impressive. Yeah. Okay.
28:57 So we are going to pick him but
28:58 just I want to know because
28:59 these are guys who might get
29:00 picked in this range. What do
29:02 you think about the Washington
29:03 receivers? Polk and McMillan
29:04 hold somebody that I watch up
29:06 McMillan. I don't know a ton
29:07 about so give it to me. What do
29:09 you think? They're both
29:10 awesome players honestly um I
29:12 and they both got taken right?
29:13 I mean Polk will not be there
29:14 in the third round. There's no
29:15 chance. Oh nope. That's not
29:18 going to happen. I think Polk is
29:19 going to go earlier than people
29:21 expect because he is a
29:24 quarterback's best friend. I
29:25 know it's a cliche but he
29:26 really, I mean, it's the player
29:28 he gets comp to a lot is a guy
29:29 you guys know very well in
29:30 Jacobi Myers for good reason. I
29:32 mean, he catches literally
29:33 everything thrown at him. Um
29:35 good frame, good route running
29:37 ability, super smart, can win
29:38 the line of scrimmage. I love
29:40 him. Uh and McMillan, you know,
29:42 I I get he might be available
29:44 here. I haven't really seen
29:46 where he's being mocked. Um but
29:48 you know, obviously he's he's
29:50 going to he went at the end of
29:51 the second. Oh, why? Why? I
29:53 mean, you, I'm sure you've been
29:55 watching Udub tape. It's crazy.
29:57 Like it's um it's it's I'll
29:59 never have that experience
30:00 again. Uh but uh yeah, he's
30:03 really, really, really talented
30:04 slot receiver. Um very well
30:07 rounded game. Very actually he
30:09 actually is very New England
30:11 II. So if you were actually
30:13 available, I think you would be
30:14 a nice fit but it really comes,
30:16 you know, it's just so
30:17 obviously, you guys have such a
30:20 glaring need in such a specific
30:22 type of receiver that you need
30:23 and and he's not it obviously.
30:25 Yeah. And also for, you know,
30:27 the Washington, if you still
30:28 want to have that kind of fun,
30:29 I'm hoping that the Seahawks
30:30 find some way to get Michael
30:31 Pennis Junior. Keep the ball
30:33 rolling. Alright. Locked in.
30:35 Let's see our results. What do
30:37 we get? We got an award. The
30:39 heck? I didn't even know this
30:40 was a thing. What for? What is
30:42 that? Oh, I mean, the great is
30:45 just whether you agree with the
30:46 PFF consensus, right? So, I
30:48 don't think so. Oh, we got
30:50 that's not bad. You know, I
30:53 it's pretty good. A's good.
30:55 I'll take an A. Top 50. How do
30:57 you feel about this draft?
30:59 Franklin is divisive. Yeah, I
31:02 honestly, it still gives you the
31:04 guy where like defenses have to
31:06 acknowledge that he exists and
31:08 that's something they don't
31:09 really have. So, worst case
31:10 scenario, he is like a number
31:13 two masquerading as a wide
31:14 receiver one in this depth chart
31:16 then next year and this is what
31:17 I think is going to happen next
31:18 year. You get your true wide
31:19 receiver one. Oh, you're
31:20 amazing. Number two.
31:22 Compliment. I'll say this about
31:23 Franklin. When you watch Oregon
31:25 and you watch Bonick's all
31:27 you're the whole time, you're
31:28 just like, goddamn, everybody's
31:30 open and there's a reason why
31:32 he's very good at getting open
31:33 which is something that's been
31:35 lacking in New England for some
31:36 time. Yep. So, you get openness,
31:38 you get speed, and you get a
31:40 pass rusher which the Patriots
31:41 still need and with all the
31:42 depth that they have in this
31:43 draft. Hey, get Bub means in the
31:44 fifth round. You're good. You're
31:46 golden. Alright, I think we did
31:47 a pretty dang good job. Mina,
31:49 that was a blast. Thank you so
31:51 much for your time. I appreciate
31:52 it as always. Please let the
31:54 people know what fantastic stuff
31:55 I know you got coming down the
31:56 pipe. Yeah. Um we're a lot of
31:58 Patriots talk on the podcast
32:00 lately. Mini Com show featuring
32:01 Lenny um and then I've been
32:03 doing these mock drafts on my
32:04 YouTube channel as well. Uh
32:06 again, a lot of Patriots talk
32:08 there. YouTube.com slash at
32:10 Mini Kimes. Um you guys should
32:12 check it out. Absolutely. Do a
32:14 great job as always. I mean, I've
32:16 been watching those mock drafts.
32:17 Those are a lot of fun. It's
32:18 just the Patriots have so many
32:19 needs. I was like, I don't know
32:20 if I can pick just two for
32:22 these. We gotta keep the gate
32:23 a little open but again, thank
32:24 you so much for your time and
32:25 thank you all for watching as
32:27 always. Now, take care of
32:28 yourselves. Take care of each
32:29 other. We'll see you next time.
32:31 Peace y'all.
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