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00:00:00You're listening to the Patreon Nation podcast.

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00:00:49guy Pat Lane here and I'm joined by a very special guest. He is a writer and

00:00:52on-air host. You know him, you love him. 985 the sports hub I should say, I'm

00:00:57sorry. You know him, you love him. It's Alex Barth. Barth, thanks for coming through, man.

00:01:00We appreciate it, man. Yeah, no problem. Sometimes you got to leave out that

00:01:03sports hub for you love him. But no, people have been great tuning in with the draft stuff. So

00:01:08appreciate all them. Appreciate you for having me. Yeah, of course, man. And you

00:01:12know, it's it's funny because it's one of those things. I mean, I remember, shoot,

00:01:15back when I was hosting shows with Spags, we had you on back, you know, way

00:01:20back in the day. And so it's good to, it's good to see guys like you and Lazar

00:01:24and guys like that that have been in here for a long time grinding, you know,

00:01:28getting that name recognition now. And it's, it's great to see. And so, you

00:01:31know, and you deserve it. You've worked your ass off and you're a great guy. And

00:01:34so, uh, so we're happy for you. Thank you. Appreciate that. It's weird. I'm

00:01:38not, you know, one of the youngest anymore. We got, you know, Mike and

00:01:40Taylor and Brian and Sophie, and there's like a whole other group of writers now

00:01:46that are like after me and Evan, which feels very weird. Yeah. Yep. Yep. That's

00:01:51for sure. So, um, that's the other, we forgot to mention the catch 22 podcast,

00:01:54which you host with, uh, with Evan Lazar, but, um, but nevertheless, so,

00:01:58all right, let's get into the draft. People have heard you obviously, but

00:02:03let's, let's get in there, right? Patriots to sit in number three. What is

00:02:08your ideal situation? I mean, obviously the ideal situation would be the Bears

00:02:12take Jaden Daniels and the commanders take Drake May and we take, take Caleb

00:02:17Williams, right? But that's not going to happen. So what is your like realistic

00:02:20Caleb Williams goes number one, you know, what, what is your dream scenario

00:02:26for number three? My dream scenario for number three is Washington takes JJ

00:02:30McCarthy second. So the Patriots can't do anything stupid. Um, I look, I'd be

00:02:36happy with Jane Daniels or Drake May. Honestly, I've explained it this way.

00:02:39Like if I'm starting a team from scratch, I have nobody, this is the first

00:02:43person in the organization and I'm picking one of these two quarterbacks. I

00:02:47would go with Jaden Daniels, but I think if I were to just rate them blindly out

00:02:52of a hundred, I would have Jane Daniels is like an 86 and Drake Mays, like an

00:02:5685. It's that close. And when I factor in the, I know people saying, well, what

00:03:01do the Patriots have in place? You know, their offense, their rebuilding? No,

00:03:04but they, there's a, a structure in place in terms of the coaching staff and

00:03:08things like that. I think Drake may is a better fit for what Alex van Pelt wants

00:03:12to do. It's going to be a little bit less of an adjustment, things like that.

00:03:15So I, I, I would take Drake may, uh, Drake may is my ideal, but like, if

00:03:20they end up with Jane Daniels or they somehow trade back and take Michael

00:03:24panics either way, I'd say, you know, they walked out of the first round

00:03:28doing what they needed to do.

00:03:29Trading. I will amend that. Say trading back for a quarterback scares the crap

00:03:34out of me. Cause you, you think you're trading back for him and then somebody

00:03:36jumps you or if nobody jumps you, what did you see that nobody else did?

00:03:41Um, but I mean, if they, some, I, and I don't think they would, I don't think

00:03:45they're going to take Michael Pennix at all. They're showing no interest in

00:03:47them. Uh, but yeah, if they walk out of the draft, one of those three guys, Hey,

00:03:50we have, I'm not going to sit here and be like, yeah, they have their franchise

00:03:53quarterback. Let's go, you know, 10 year run Superbowl, but I think they got as

00:03:57close as they're going to get. They added the kind of prospect they needed to

00:03:59add. And now you're on to the development phase of it.

00:04:02Right. No, a hundred percent. I love that idea. Right. And it's, you know,

00:04:06look, I mean, I personally am, I'm Drake may guy. I don't know if I believe in

00:04:11Jaden Daniels. I'm not sure. Um, but here's the thing. And ultimately what it

00:04:16comes down to is that that's me. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

00:04:19Right. And so like, there's a, there's a whole lot of people that I trust and

00:04:23respect that believe Jaden Daniels can do it. And if the Patriots believe that as

00:04:28well, then I'm going to sit there and say, okay, well, here we go. Like this is

00:04:31who they wanted. And this is who they drafted and we're, and we're good to go.

00:04:34What I don't want to have happen is for the football guys to not trust Jaden Daniels

00:04:40and for, you know, Robert or Jonathan, most likely Jonathan craft, sit there and say,

00:04:47we need a quarterback. So we're drafting one. And so, okay, it's going to be Jaden

00:04:51Daniels, but it's going to be JJ McCarthy. You choose Drake man. What? Number two,

00:04:54I don't care where you take number three, but you're taking someone right. And now

00:04:57they have to choose between a guy they don't love. Right. And so all I want is for them

00:05:02to love the guy. I don't care if I love him or not, that doesn't make a difference.

00:05:05What the hell do I know? Right. So like, so that's the part of it for me that, you know,

00:05:09that I, that I want to make sure happens. I feel like we're going to be okay in that

00:05:14scenario. I feel like they're going to stay out of it because they have for the most part,

00:05:19but it's just some of the comments that have come out lately from Robert craft.

00:05:22Some of the things that have been done lately, some of the articles that have been written about

00:05:25Jonathan craft, it, that worries me. It just worries me. And that's something that we have

00:05:30no control over. We won't ever even know if that's the case, right? I mean, there's no way

00:05:34to know if that's the case or not outside of things getting leaked out of the, you know,

00:05:38out of the, out of the building or whatever, but that's my biggest concern right now is like,

00:05:42okay, maybe I don't believe in Jane Daniels, but as long as Gerard Mayo and Elliot Wolf and Alex

00:05:47van Pelt do, then I'm okay with that. If that's what the, if that's where they want to go.

00:05:52What if one or two of them do and the others don't? Cause I, I think that as much as they

00:05:56want to talk about consensus in collaboration, like you're just not all going to see it the

00:06:00exact same way. What I would say is I, the scenario you laid out where they're forced

00:06:06into taking a quarterback. They don't like, I don't, I'm not worried about that happening just

00:06:10because we've heard that they're interested in Daniels and may, and they're going to have a shot

00:06:15at one of those guys, right? Or Caleb Williams, but right. Um, they're going to have a shot at

00:06:21one of Daniels or may we've heard they like both those guys. Gerard Mayo said that thing at the

00:06:25owner's meetings last week about, you know, the five guys, it's sort of five quarterback draft.

00:06:29And I don't know who he left off. I think it's Penix. It should be Nix in that conversation,

00:06:34but somebody, I think all of the quarterbacks, except for again, maybe Penix just cause they,

00:06:41or it's the ultimate smokescreen, which would be great as a pen.

00:06:46There's somebody in the building that believes in all the quarterbacks

00:06:52in that not, not one person that believes in all five or all six, but like all five have

00:06:57some believers somewhere in the building. And you know, how that lines up, you know,

00:07:02is the question and how much are they really going to be collaborative? There's that report

00:07:05last week that Elliot Wolf is pushing for JJ McCarthy. Well, if it's supposed to be collaborative

00:07:11pushing for one guy against the rest of the building, doesn't sound very collaborative,

00:07:14right? So how much is that actually going to play out that kind of thing? But it, it does.

00:07:20I don't think you're going to see a situation. Ownership may come down and say, we want you to

00:07:25take quarterback. I'm not ruling that out, but I don't think you're going to see a situation

00:07:28where they look around the room and everybody's upset with the quarterback. They take some people

00:07:33might. And honestly, I, no matter who they take, there's probably going to be some people that

00:07:37aren't super pumped about it again. It's just with something as finicky as projecting quarterbacks

00:07:42and evaluating quarterbacks and how many people they have in the room. I find it hard to believe

00:07:46everybody they're going to be able to get everybody exactly on the same page, but I,

00:07:51everything that's been put out there so far, again, outside of Michael Penix,

00:07:56it doesn't seem like they're entirely out on any of these guys.

00:08:01It's a great point. That is a great point. And, and that's, that's one of the things that I think

00:08:06can't be, uh, understated is that they are trying to build a collaborative effort. And part of

00:08:11building a collaborative effort is understanding that we're not going to always agree, right. That

00:08:16there are going to be times when we want to do one thing, when some guy, you know, two guys want this

00:08:24and three guys want that and two other guys want this. And, you know, Hey, we have to come to a

00:08:30decision here because I feel strongly that Jaden Daniels is the guy and can do it. And he feels

00:08:37strongly that Drake may is the guy and can do it. And he feels strongly that JJ McCarthy is the guy

00:08:41and can do it. And so now it's, you know, who makes that final decision? And of course, these

00:08:46are conversations that they're having now, right? They're not going to having, they're not having

00:08:49in the night of the draft. They're having them now. If we're there, who are we taking first,

00:08:54right? Who's the guy that we're taking. Right. And, and then you kind of go from there. And so

00:08:59what's ironic to me, what is ironic to me is that two games, two games are why we're in the position

00:09:07that we're in, right? The Buffalo bills lost to the Patriots in Gillette with a, with a fourth

00:09:15quarter, the only fourth quarter comeback of Mac Jones's career was against the Buffalo bills.

00:09:21And if the Patriots lose that game, instead of winning that game, they have the number two pick.

00:09:26They went into Pittsburgh on a Thursday night when Pittsburgh, all Pittsburgh had to do

00:09:30Pittsburgh, but like three straight terrible teams and lost all three of them. The Cardinals

00:09:35before the Patriots, the Patriots, and then they lost to someone else the next week. And I forget

00:09:38who it was, but they were in, they were in position to win the end of the, to make the playoff easily

00:09:44and even compete for the AFC North. Maybe not realistically can be for the AFC North, but

00:09:49potentially compete for the AFC North. And they choked down the stretch. And I was at that Patriots

00:09:53game. And it was, it was wild where I'm sitting there like, what the hell's going on? Like the

00:09:57first half was unbelievable. And they just held on in the second half. If they lose either of those

00:10:02games, they're drafting number two instead of number three. And now we're sitting there saying,

00:10:06Hey, Patriots can take whoever, whoever they want. You like Drake may you like Jaden Daniels,

00:10:10whoever it is, just take that guy at two. Right. And so it is kind of ironic that especially with

00:10:16the bills, it's like, man, we hate the bill so much. And it's like that, you know, if the Patriots

00:10:21love, whether it's McCarthy, I'm sorry, whether it's Daniels or may, and that guy goes to they're

00:10:27at three because they beat the bills at home. Right. It's just kind of, it's kind of fitting.

00:10:31If the bills were to screw the Patriots over, uh, in that situation would suck, but you know,

00:10:34yeah, I mean, go figure. You thought Denver game in there too, right? Chad,

00:10:38after spraying the ball the previous few weeks. Um, but you know, that's what it is. And that's

00:10:44kind of why I was warning people when they were like tank, tank, tank. I'm like, you don't know

00:10:48what you're getting into with this. I'm sorry, Patriots fans. You're not used. And it's a good

00:10:52thing. You're not used to it, but like, and this is, this is part of the reason why I was so late

00:10:59to get off Mac Jones compared to everybody else. It wasn't that I was this, that like,

00:11:04I thought Mac Jones was going to flip the switch and become the superstar quarterback.

00:11:07If they just gave him time, but if he could have even got back to being serviceable.

00:11:11And I said this at the time, the worst place you can be as the quarterback carousel,

00:11:17because once you're in there, you're in there and you might not come out for 20,

00:11:2030 years. You don't know. You might, it might take a year. It might take 30 years. And so

00:11:24it was, let's make sure we know for sure. And we ultimately found out that Mac Jones was not the

00:11:30guy. And so, yeah, so you go back in the carousel, like, but I would stress this. I'm glad Patriots

00:11:36fans not glad. Cause I wish the team didn't have that season, but like, hopefully we don't have to

00:11:42go through this again soon, but let's say they draft the wrong guy. Now Patriots fans have this

00:11:46frame of reference that like the last place you want to be is in the quarterback carousel.

00:11:51You're relying on among other things, a bunch of nonsense. That's entirely outside of your

00:11:55control. And that's just not where I want to be. That's not where anybody should want to be.

00:11:59A hundred percent. Right. And it's, and you get into a situation where,

00:12:03okay, Dak Prescott might be a free agent next year. Well, if you draft a guy at number three,

00:12:07you're not saying Dak Prescott next year. I don't care how much.

00:12:09But Dak might not become a free agent. Like I hate that whole way about Trevor Lawrence.

00:12:14Right. And I, and I agree with you. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. If you draft

00:12:18a guy at number three and he sucks, you're not drafting. You're not signing Dak Prescott next

00:12:23year. You're not drafting a quarterback at the top of the first round next year because

00:12:27you just, you just, you know, drafted a guy at number three overall. There's no way you're

00:12:31going to do that. Right. And so that, that becomes a situation, right? Obviously you

00:12:35have the situation in Arizona where they drafted Kyler Murray and traded away Jiminy Christmas.

00:12:42Uh, um, the UCLA kid, what the hell is his name? Right. UCLA. It wasn't UCLA.

00:12:49Thank you, Josh Rosen. Um, yeah, so, but that was, that's a completely different situation

00:12:54because that was a different regime, right? They're not changing regimes here. So it anyways,

00:13:00it's a tough spot to be in. Right. As you said, like we're on the carousel,

00:13:04you got to find the guy, you have to draft the guy. And that's why I've said all along, like,

00:13:10if they don't believe that that guy is available at three, they have to trade back in my opinion,

00:13:15because, and, and I, and we get the reports that they're in on these guys and they're in on, um,

00:13:21you know, McCarthy and they're in on may and they're in on, you know, Daniels and they're

00:13:24in all these guys. But if they don't believe that that guy is the guy, then they can't sit

00:13:31there at three and take them. They can't, but because now you, now you're staying on the

00:13:35carousel again. Right. And then three years, you're back where you started. And instead of,

00:13:40especially with this team, with the off with the just completely devoid of offensive talent for

00:13:45the most part. And with so much offensive talent on there, if you can move back with someone like,

00:13:50you know, and everyone gives the example of Minnesota, cause they have the two first round

00:13:53picks, but even if it's not, even if it's someone like Denver or someone else where you're getting

00:13:58a first round pick this year and a second round pick this year and a first round pick next year

00:14:02and whatever. Right. And so that to me is, you know, um, is the situation where I look at it and

00:14:09say, Hey, if that's how they feel, then move back and retool the rest of the offense and figure out

00:14:14the quarterback position later. Yeah. I don't want them to draft a quarterback just to draft

00:14:19a quarterback. That's how you end up with EJ manual. I certainly wouldn't want that. And at

00:14:22that point, I don't, I don't think it makes sense to stick and pick at three with Marvin Harrison

00:14:26or even Joe Alt. Like you can maybe get Joel. I wouldn't move back. Even if I'm moving back,

00:14:30I wouldn't move back past six. Cause I still think they should be trying to add a blue chip

00:14:34player and you're going to get a haul from the giants. I mean, you should still get this year's

00:14:37first day and that giants next year. First, even if they kind of hit on the quarterback,

00:14:41that roster's terrible. So you could be in the position, you know, year from now,

00:14:45you could be in a position, the bears are in, um, which obviously is not a bad spot to be.

00:14:50So, um, I'm with you on that. Like, just go, if you feel like you need to come out of the draft

00:14:55with a quarterback, you don't like any of the guys just, you know, trade back and take Spencer

00:14:59out later on. Um, but again, I don't think they're in the spot where they're taking a quarterback

00:15:03just to take quarterback. Like I said, I think there's belief within the bill and the worst

00:15:07thing they could do is half the, half the building believes in may half the building believes in

00:15:10Daniels. Nobody believes in both. So they don't give either side a shot and they call it a draw

00:15:16and they trade out like, no, you, somebody thought they saw something in one of these guys.

00:15:20Like that would kill me if everybody in the building is like, well, this sucks. We're on

00:15:25to next year. Now that's always a risk. Cause you know, we talk about how scary it is to be in the

00:15:28quarterback care. So this is a good year to be, there's never a good time to be in it. But

00:15:33imagine if we were doing this with Kenny Pickett and Malik Willis instead of drink May and Jane

00:15:40Daniels. Right. So, and I know, I know next year, yeah. Shoulder Sanders and Quinn yours,

00:15:45but like, you'd never know, especially in the era of NIL, you'd never know what's going to happen.

00:15:53So I just, I, if they're moving on, cause they don't believe in the quarterbacks. Fine. If

00:15:58they're moving on because they have some down the road plan for future quarterback. I hate that

00:16:03because you don't know what's going to happen down the road. Nothing's I wanted at one point,

00:16:07I'd like to fill Jacobic. And then I saw what he looked like when he didn't have star players

00:16:11around him and he was out on that. So I'd be very careful about that. Well, that's the,

00:16:16and that's the biggest thing, right. And you see these things that people come out,

00:16:19Oh, you know, the Patriots aren't good enough to draft a quarterback. No, that's stupid. That's

00:16:23just a stupid take. You need the guy, you draft them whenever he's available. He's available.

00:16:30And that's the biggest, right. Right. And I, and so that's where some of the, some of the guys on

00:16:35the sports, uh, so in particular has been very loud about if you draft a guy at three, he has to

00:16:39play. And I completely disagree with that. I think that, you know, if he's not ready to play and you

00:16:45don't feel like you have the weapons around him receiving the ball and also the people in front

00:16:51of them that can block for him, well, don't put them out there. Let him sit. Who cares? Like what

00:16:57difference does it make? You know? And that's, that's where I'm at is, is if you have to sit

00:17:01them, then you sit them. But if you feel like that guy is a franchise altering player, you have to

00:17:08take them no matter what you're off, what your roster looks like. It doesn't make a difference.

00:17:11The reality, it, there's a bit of a fine line here. If you believe he's a franchise

00:17:15altering player, he should be able to make plays with nobody around him. I, right. I'm with you on

00:17:20the line. If, if there, if you don't, if you can't protect him, you risk him getting sped up. If he's

00:17:26just thrown into tight windows, let him throw in a tight window. He's seeing the defense. Like

00:17:29that's important. I just want to make sure he's protected, which why I'd go tackle at 34. But

00:17:34I, if, if the plan is to sit him and I I've been very strong on this because I, I think you take

00:17:41a guy three, you, if you're taking him that high, you should have some sort of conviction that he

00:17:46will be ready year one, maybe not week one, but year one, right. I use Halloween as like an

00:17:51objective, you know, can we get him in there? But if the plan is the roster is not going to be ready,

00:17:56we're going to draft them, sit, and we're going to pick elsewhere. And just like this offense is

00:17:59not going to be suitable to a rookie quarterback, but that's fine. Cause he's not going to play.

00:18:04Right. If that's the plan, I don't necessarily agree with that plan, but it's like, I understand

00:18:09it. If that's the plan, that is the plan. When you're two and six, right. Jacoby resets hurt

00:18:16and Bailey's app, he's throwing picks left and right. And they're booing. You don't get such,

00:18:21Oh shoot. We got to put them in. We got to play the people saying, Oh, you know,

00:18:25draft Drake may and sit him, draft Drake may and sit him when the team's two and six,

00:18:28you don't get to come back and say, you got to play Drake may whatever the plan is.

00:18:33Just stick with it. Yeah. Just stick. You got to commit to it.

00:18:36I will say the only thing, the only caveat I will say to that is that the plan might be,

00:18:42and it's not, not exactly Justin Herbert. Cause you don't want to, you know, puncture his lung

00:18:46with a, with a needle, but like the plan might be somewhere around that area where you say, Hey,

00:18:52look, we're going to sit him at the beginning of the year. We want him to learn the offense

00:18:56a little bit more. We want him to go. And then, and then we play him midway through the season.

00:19:03And maybe that's the plan, right? And that's a fine plan, but that's a different plan.

00:19:09Yes. Yep. And so, you know, and so we'll see, right. And I think that that's,

00:19:13but you're a hundred percent, right? Like they have to have conviction with that plan.

00:19:17Now, again, that plan might be today. Well, maybe they show up to training camp and they're like,

00:19:22this dude is too good. We can't sit him. Right. And so if that's the situation and you feel like

00:19:27the offensive line and the weapons are good enough that he can make it, then you do it.

00:19:31I think, you know, you can change that plan if you want, but I agree with you nervous.

00:19:37That's where I get nervous. Cause all right. He looks really good in camp. That's not live reps.

00:19:40Right. And the problem is whenever you put him in, you have to be sure because the last thing

00:19:48you can do, especially after all the nonsense we went through the last two years, right?

00:19:53The last thing you can do is draft a guy third overall. And I don't care what the reasoning

00:19:58behind it is. I don't, even if the reasoning makes sense, that's a benching. If you draft

00:20:04a guy third overall, put them in at the start of the season and then pull them without an injury,

00:20:10like a real injury. He got benched, even if it's, Oh, well he had a, you know, sore shoulders.

00:20:16We're going to sit him down. No, we all know what this is. You're benching. You're benching

00:20:19the third overall pick as a rookie. Like you, you need to be sure when you put him on the field,

00:20:25not just that he's ready, but that the team is that you're comfortable with the team around him.

00:20:30Exactly. Cause you, there's no going back on that one. There, there shouldn't be,

00:20:36there should not be any going back on that one. I agree a hundred percent on that. And that's one

00:20:40of the things that I was so pissed about the Mack Jones thing against the bears where like he

00:20:45should have never started that game. And once he goes back in, it's his team. Like he's the

00:20:49starting quarterback. Once he goes back in, it's his team. You can't put him back in, in a terrible

00:20:54situation where you still hurt and then bench him. And you know, and everyone's booing him.

00:20:59It was, it was an awful situation. 2022 is in my opinion, 2022 is the reason that Bill Belichick

00:21:06isn't here anymore. Not 2023, 2022, in my opinion, but that's, that's another, a different story for

00:21:13a different day. Um, so, okay. So quarterback at three, you think tackle at 34. Now the question

00:21:21is, is there a left tackle that you think will make it to 34 or are they going to have to take

00:21:28another pick? And because they're close enough to the end of the first round,

00:21:32they're going to take another pick and move into those mid to late twenties to take a guy.

00:21:37Because realistically, you're not drafting a right tackle. That doesn't make any sense

00:21:40because you have a right tackle. You just signed one right in, in Mike on when, who, and so who

00:21:46is that left tackle that you think might be available at 34 or is the guy you want going to

00:21:52go in the mid twenties and you're going to have to package a pick, which by the way, I think I'm

00:21:56a hundred percent fine with that, right? Like I'm, I'm totally on board with package on the

00:22:00pick and go get the guy because you need that left tackle. Yeah. So I, this has been one of

00:22:06my big takes with the draft. I hate the idea of the Patriots picking at 34. I just, the way the

00:22:11board sets up for them. They're move up, move down. I don't care. It doesn't make any sense

00:22:16to pick a 34, you know, who could fall. I, I do think you'll see one of a Marius Mims,

00:22:24Tyler Guyton, like that group could drop. Um, and I, I love Guyton for them.

00:22:30Maybe it's, it's Kingsley, Sue and Mattia, maybe move back a little bit to get him. Um, I, I, I

00:22:35just, this wide receiver class is so deep tackle. Isn't tackles a need. Yeah. Part of me worries

00:22:42that they're just going to do tackle by committee again this year. And they're going to take a wide

00:22:45receiver with that pick. But again, you, you gotta get this thing set up for a quarterback, whoever

00:22:50it is. You need the blind side protected. That comes first that comes before anything else.

00:22:56So I'd like to see them go tackle with that, whatever their, their second pick ends up being,

00:22:59and if they move back, right, move back to six, take JJ McCarthy. And then, well, I guess it'd

00:23:04be moved back to 11, take Michael Penix, 23 should be a tackle, right? However you, whatever

00:23:10permutation you want to do. Um, and I, I, I don't know. I feel like they're going to go more wide

00:23:16receiver. Like if I was guessing what they will do, T Lee's tell me receiver at 34, but I would

00:23:22go tackle. Yeah. Well, and that's part of the problem is that left tackles don't grow on trees,

00:23:28right? They don't. And neither the wide receiver ones. Well, they kind of do now,

00:23:33like if any position does the way that they're churning these kids out from the seven on seven

00:23:37programs and colleges playing more open and all of that, like last year was the anomaly

00:23:43four of the last five years. It's been, Oh my God, this is the best wide receiver class ever.

00:23:47And they keep getting better. That's a good point on that trend continuing. Yeah. That's a good

00:23:52point. Um, okay. My dad has been on me about this. It's an insane idea. I'm going to run it by you.

00:24:01I'm gonna see what you think. So the Patriots draft may at three or Daniels at three,

00:24:05whomever it is. Right. And then they take 68 and their first round pick next year

00:24:16and move into those mid twenties or so to take, whether it be a left tackle or a wide receiver.

00:24:25And now you have three, a mid or early to mid twenties, by the way, he's just texting me and

00:24:31said, it's not insane. I know, I know dad, it's not insane, but I'm just, you know, uh, right.

00:24:36They, you have to tackle there theoretically. And then you have 34 or you even trade back

00:24:40from 34 and draft a wide receiver there. What do you think about that? You'd better have a time

00:24:45machine. You'd better have a time machine to know you're hitting on all those picks. Cause that's

00:24:48your window. That's your development window at that point. And, and that pick next year,

00:24:52like they're not, they're not going to be playoff team next year. Let's be honest. They'll

00:24:55be, they should be better, but they're not going to be a playoff team. Yeah. So a hundred percent.

00:25:00Yeah. You're, you're giving up a very valuable asset at that point. And I, I I'm very hesitant

00:25:06to part with future top 100 picks. If I'm the Patriots, I'm very, very, very hesitant to do

00:25:12that. Cause even if they have a good draft this year, they need two or three drafts to really get

00:25:16this thing back. And you start, and I used to fall victim to this a ton when I really started doing

00:25:21this is you, you, you see the draft for what it is for this draft and you get excited and, you know,

00:25:28F the future. I want the guys I want now. And you can get a guy next year. Who's probably going to

00:25:36give you about what you would get at 20. You got to wait a year to get them. But the one thing the

00:25:40Patriots have right now is time. I, I would be more surprised than anything if Robert Kraft

00:25:47won and Dunn's Gerard Mayo. Right. So they have some time here. I wouldn't be pushing all the

00:25:54chips to the center of the table just yet. I think it's way too early for that. And that's what that

00:25:58move would be. You'd better be, again, you better have a time machine. You'd better know somebody

00:26:03better have come back from the future and said, this dude's going to be a hall of famer. Like

00:26:07you're getting the next all I'm great at his position to trade that future first.

00:26:12Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and that's kind of how I feel too. Like I,

00:26:17I am very, I look at it and just think like, I can't give up. I just can't give up a future

00:26:24first round pick. I can't do it right. Because they're not going to be good. Right. And,

00:26:29and we all kind of expect that they're not going to be good. And if that's the case,

00:26:32then you're talking about a top 10 pick and it's like, you're going to give up a top 10 pick to

00:26:36move into the twenties for something, I guess it could be something good, but it might not be,

00:26:40you know? And so it's one of those, one of the funny things actually is the Niners did that with

00:26:46the Patriots a long time ago. And of course the Niners are, they were going to be good and they

00:26:49weren't and Patriots get, end up getting the number seven pick in the draft, but the Niners

00:26:54drafted Joe Staley. Right. And so it ended up actually working out for both teams. Whereas

00:26:58the Patriots actually drafted Gerard Mayo. Well, of course they traded back, but they ended up

00:27:02with Gerard Mayo with that trade. And you know, the, the Niners ended up with basically a hall

00:27:07of fame left tackle. Right. And so that's one of those ones that paid off for both teams,

00:27:13but it's just, it's such a question Mark. And especially when you're on, you like,

00:27:17know that you're going to be at a top 10 pick. It's just, it's awfully difficult to make that

00:27:22move. Right. It's a, it's a tremendous, tremendous risk. And I just for better or worse, and I'm,

00:27:28I'm, I'm speaking in generalities about Patriots fans here. Yeah. There was a lot of complaint

00:27:33over the last five to 10 years about them being too unorthodox in the draft. And we all know why

00:27:40that was right. And it seems like Bill Belichick's gone. And suddenly that's whether it's trading

00:27:45down for a quarterback, whether it's trading a future first, everybody's pumping these unorthodox

00:27:50ideas. And as well, which did you, which did you want? Did you want the unorthodox draft,

00:27:54the swing, big, massive risk draft, or do you want to draft like every like people? Why can't

00:27:58they be like every other team taking a quarterback at three? And then, you know, maybe you trade

00:28:04back into the late end of the first, but not part of the future assets. That's every other

00:28:08day. It's how every other team does it. Right. So if you were somebody screaming, when Bill was

00:28:12here that he was too weird about it and it wasn't as much like every other team, you don't get to

00:28:17sit here and say, take Marvin Harrison, Jr. Trade down, or let's, let's take JJ McCarthy super early

00:28:24or, you know, no one or the other. Although he drafted, he drafted Willie, uh, not Williamson.

00:28:31He drafted Alice Turner third overall or Cooper to Jean or Cooper trade. Oh my Lord. I love

00:28:38Cooper Jean, but I do too. No, he's a great player, but he's such a bill player, but yeah.

00:28:43Another I'll tell you, I'll tell you. It's so funny because people killed my mock draft this

00:28:49week because I, I did trade back to six and drafted Joe wall and then drafted Cooper Jean

00:28:53at 34 and people went ballistic and they would, I mean, look, this is, you know, but well, I,

00:29:00so I traded back to six, took neighbors. Yeah. And then I took Tyler Newman, 47, who is a safety,

00:29:08true safety. And I released the mock draft the day after they extended Duggar

00:29:14and I still stand by, like, I would love a, now I don't want them to take a safety with their,

00:29:19well, it was their third pick. Cause I traded up for Guyton. I did a bunch of trades, but

00:29:23I still would like to, I still would like to see them use a decent pick on a true free safety. I

00:29:32no more box safeties, no more tweeters, no more hybrids. You got enough of those guys, but

00:29:37you pay Kyle Duggar, all this money last year showed us. He is a different player when he plays

00:29:43near the line of scrimmage versus when they use them as a deep safety. And if you pay that guy,

00:29:46that money, you need to maximize what his ability, which is playing him in the box.

00:29:52At the same time, real peppers. I want to maximize that guy because he freaking rules at what he

00:29:56does. So I don't want to see either of those guys playing deep. I just don't. I think you're

00:30:01wasting talent at that point. I'd like to see them, whether it's getting somebody late in free

00:30:06agency, Justin Simmons is still out there or it's a Tyler Newman, or you go a little later in the

00:30:10draft, the guy like Jalen Simpson out of, out of Auburn. I'd like to see them and maybe it's not

00:30:16their every, um, maybe it's not their like base defensive look, but have that in your bag where

00:30:23you can put Duggar and peppers, both free roaming in the box. And you have somebody back there who

00:30:30can be a center fielder and allow those guys to make plays up front. Like I do want to see them

00:30:35safety right now would probably be their biggest need for me on defense or true free safety.

00:30:40I'd say that. And then corner it's close. I totally agree with you on that. Um,

00:30:45it's the, it's the deep safety that we're like, by the way, free safety.

00:30:49Yeah. We've gotten a few, a few comments in the chat about we're not reading. And I'm Paul,

00:30:53I apologize that, uh, though I haven't pulled anyone up. We will I, cause there's a few in

00:30:57there that I want to get to. And, but the conversation chat so good with the people

00:31:01in chat already that we don't have to even have that conversation, but here's our guy,

00:31:05Matt St. Gene back from Taylor Swift, uh, from Taylor Swift trivia. Did you win?

00:31:12No, no, we, uh, we did not win Taylor Swift trivia tonight. Um, I was, I was very much

00:31:18getting carried on the team too. Very little to contribute to. Yes. Yes. But yeah. Um, yeah,

00:31:24I don't know. I heard what you were saying there, Alex, about the safety stuff. Did Justin Simmons

00:31:28to that name get brought up at all in the conversation? Cause he's still available.

00:31:34Yeah. I, I would absolutely, uh, take a shot. I'd love to see, I've said that since he got

00:31:39caught. I'd love to see them sign them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The line, the scrimmage, you know,

00:31:44all those Kyle Booker highlights in 2022 or him just sitting, you know, on third down,

00:31:48sitting around wherever the, uh, the, the first down marker is preying on opposing quarterbacks.

00:31:54Get him there. Exactly. Yeah. And get peppers there too. And that's, and that's the whole

00:31:59point. Right. And so I drafted Jim and said, you mentioned Jim and Simpson. I drafted him in a,

00:32:03in a mock earlier. Like what I do. So interestingly enough, what I do is that I try to draft a

00:32:09different player in every mock. So I never would see a player. Right. And so tough this year at the

00:32:13top of the draft. It is. So I've, I've like manipulated a bunch of things and I, and I've

00:32:18done like, Oh my God, well, what if we do this and they can trade back here and they can do this guy

00:32:22and they can move up to number one and you have Caleb Williams. And it's like, you know, I've

00:32:26gone a little nuts with it sometimes, but, um, but you know, but that's, I just, I think that

00:32:31that's one of those interesting things for me where it's like, you can find guys like that,

00:32:36that are deep safety guys, a Duran Harmon type player where it's like, just, you know, what's

00:32:44the, what was it? February say a GTFB, like just, you know, go back there. Don't let anyone behind

00:32:51you and let everyone else do everything in front of you. And then, you know, when something happens,

00:32:55you go from there. Right. And so I think that, yeah, that's situation where they need a guy,

00:33:00like they're in need of a guy like that because you don't, you want Duggar at the line of

00:33:03scrimmage. You want peppers around the line of scrimmage. That's where things happen. Right. And

00:33:08so, uh, that's where I want to see them play. Yeah. So we've got, we've got through a lot,

00:33:15a lot of people here, Matt, uh, talked about our draft strategy at three draft strategy at 34.

00:33:21Um, you know, whether you got to move up, whether you got to move down,

00:33:25Alex, we get to take a quick break, but when we come back from the break,

00:33:28I want to talk to you about wide receiver and guys specifically.

00:33:33So whether it's 34 or whether it's a little bit later, but guys that you want to look at,

00:33:37um, that you want the Patriots to draft in that kind of, you know, in between 34 and 68 is really

00:33:43what we're looking at. Um, so that's, that's what we're looking at. So we'll be back. We're going

00:33:47to take a quick break and then we'll be back from that and we'll get into the wide receivers with

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00:34:55Okay. I lied to you because old man mob threw something up and I

00:34:58missed it the last time, but I'm going to bring it to you now.

00:35:02If somehow, if somehow the Broncos are willing to trade Patrick Kane, which I can't imagine a

00:35:10world where they do. I know that there's a situation where there's a possibility. I mean,

00:35:14anything's possible, but would you say three for 12 and something else?

00:35:22Definitely.

00:35:23Um, you know, whether it's a first or, you know, whether it's a, you know, a, um, uh,

00:35:28a future first or a second this year or a future second, would you consider that?

00:35:33No, no, not at all. Maybe if they somehow move up to six and then go from there and it's six

00:35:38and certain, but look, you just use your top pick last year on a corner. You just did that. And

00:35:43Christian's also a good player. Like, I think he's going to be very good player, but

00:35:47you move down to 12. It's Bo Nix. And I have no interest in being in the,

00:35:51for all the talk about me, not liking JJ McCarthy.

00:35:55I, I, I wouldn't even, I don't even have to think between JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix,

00:35:59like JJ McCarthy. I can at least understand, but you just traded away Mack Jones for a six

00:36:04round pick. Now you're going to use the 12th overall pick on Mack Jones.

00:36:07I don't need a, they need a second corner. They need a complimentary corner. So you're adding a

00:36:14player who definitely would help, but doesn't feel a major need to take yourself out of the range

00:36:20of a M the biggest need you can have in a year where there's rare talent on the board at that

00:36:26position. So that is getting entirely too cute with it for me. No, I would not entertain that

00:36:33at all. Okay. I, I, I agree with you, but I was curious as to your thoughts of it. It almost

00:36:38seems like, you know, Pat's retains obviously extremely good, but it's like you have ideally

00:36:45Christian Gonzalez is your, is your cornerback one. And so it's like, you don't need to trade

00:36:49for another cornerback one when you already have one, even though like, if it was, if this were

00:36:53Madden, I'd do everything I could to get them right. And just be like, Oh, what are you going

00:36:57to do? Throw on me? Go ahead. Good luck. But like, you know, in real life, it just, it makes it

00:37:01awfully, it makes it awfully difficult. And that's the kind of move you're thinking about,

00:37:05you know, in two or three years, if the quarterback, the pick works out and things are

00:37:09going well and you now you need the cherry on top, but hard, hard to invest in getting the cherry

00:37:15when you don't even feel good about the ice cream right now. Exactly. I like that. But by the way,

00:37:20before we move on to wide receivers, I just looked up something in that break where we were talking

00:37:24defensive backs to Ron Harmon as a free agent right now. And he played for the Browns last year.

00:37:31Logan Ryan somehow just retired. These guys are hanging on. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great pick guys.

00:37:36You know, they got that longevity and I'm Logan Ryan. I think Cordell Patterson is still playing.

00:37:40Isn't he? He was part of that Logan Ryan trade. He, uh, Patterson just signed with the, uh,

00:37:46Steelers. Didn't he? Oh, right. Yes. You're right. Yeah. Yep. He was part of that Logan

00:37:50Ryan trade that Logan Ryan, Jamie Collins won't mention. What, what is going on in the Pittsburgh

00:37:58offense? We got Najee Harris and Cordell Patterson and, uh, the other guy whose name I'm

00:38:05forgetting. They got pickings, but they traded with, uh, what's his name? Uh, number 30. Yeah.

00:38:13What a, what a weird group of players. And then you got the quarterback situation. I don't know

00:38:17what they're doing there. This, this is the alternative for the people who say it's too

00:38:22scary to draft the quarterback. That's the other option. Yep. Yep. Exactly. Super funny.

00:38:29Well, that's the thing option. You have a chance of ending up with a star,

00:38:32but you know, what's interesting is that I feel like they did what everyone's what I'm worried

00:38:36about the Patriots doing this year, which is they didn't love Kenny Picken, but they needed a

00:38:40quarterback. So they drafted him and they were at 20. So it was very different than Patriots are

00:38:45right now at three, but still it was like, you took a guy just because you were like, well, we

00:38:49need a quarterback. So let's take him. And it was like, you know, he wasn't very good. Everyone

00:38:52kind of knew he wasn't gonna be very good and he wasn't, you know? And so I think, um, but I think

00:38:57they believed in Kenny Pickett. I think they did. They, they had so much information. His college

00:39:03coach's office is down the hall, right? That was a really unique situation where I think they,

00:39:08they knew so much about them. They would have been comfortable with them. Did they maybe take

00:39:11them a little too high? Yes. But that's just, you take quarterbacks, it's the price doing business.

00:39:17I didn't think Kenny Pick was going to be very good, but I understand why they, I, I, I don't

00:39:21blame them for making that decision. I understand why they made that decision. Yeah. All right. So

00:39:26let's get into, so let's get into these wide receivers. Yeah. Now you're on record as saying

00:39:31you take a, uh, offensive tackle around that 34, even if you've got to move up a little bit and

00:39:36take that guy. I agree with you, right? We talked about that. We just talked about that. I agree

00:39:40with you. Um, but let's say that they take a core, a wide receiver somewhere in that 34 to 68 range,

00:39:47who are the guys that you want them to take? And then also, would you look at it and say,

00:39:52well, if you're going to take a wide receiver and you're at 34 package something and move up

00:39:58and get this guy because he's good enough that it makes sense, right? Whether it's a Brian Thomas

00:40:03jr. Or somebody like that, that you think like, okay, he's going to go in the first round, but

00:40:08he'd be worth it to move up and pass on a, on a, on a potential tag.

00:40:13So I think Brian Thomas is going to end up going a little high. There's, there's a whole run of

00:40:16teams in there, Jaguars, Steelers, um, that need wide receivers in like the late teens,

00:40:23early twenties. And I it's too rich to move up at that point. Like you look at the Kyle

00:40:27Duggar trade and that's, you know, to get up to 23, they gave up their second and, uh, third

00:40:36as well as the first, right. If I'm doing that or sorry, they get their second and third to get

00:40:40back late into the first, if I'm doing my math right on that one. So, um, I don't know that

00:40:46I'm giving up those to go up and get Brian Thomas because I can give up a second and a fourth and

00:40:51get a D Mitchell, who I think is 90% of the player. Brian Thomas is very similar player to

00:40:56stylistically. Yeah. He's the guy I'd move up for in that middle range. Uh, I like Roman Wilson.

00:41:04I like Ricky Pierce. All those are probably the two guys I'm I'm in and out on Xavier Liggett.

00:41:09I can't really tell how I feel about him. And generally I end up out on those guys by the time

00:41:13the draft runs or rolls around. Um, it's tough. Cause I, I really just want them to get the true

00:41:20X outside receiver. Cause they have a bunch of good complimentary players at the Z and in the

00:41:24slot, Kendrick Bourne, KJ Osborne, pop Douglas, obviously. Right. So like, I don't necessarily

00:41:29want to bury those guys. I don't want to, I, when I say I don't want to improve on them, I mean,

00:41:35like I would rather the Patriots add something they don't have then improve marginally on what

00:41:41they already do, but there's just not that many X guys in that range. Again, I think it's 80

00:41:46Mitchell. Could Ricky Pierce all maybe play a little X possibly. I don't love that fit,

00:41:51even though I think he's a good player and I'm just, I'm not a big believer in Troy Franklin

00:41:55or Keon Coleman. I think Troy Franklin is Tyrone Thornton and maybe some other team figures out

00:42:01his usage better, but let some other team do that. And Keon, I don't think he on Coleman's

00:42:05to kill Harry. I've seen a lot of people go there. I think he's more late career Devante Parker.

00:42:10Yeah, he's big and he's got strong hands and that's great. And that's kind of it. And I just

00:42:16don't think that guy's going to dictate coverage. Cause if you have a big physical corner that can

00:42:21go punch for punch with that guy, that's it, you know, game over. So I, I, I struggle in that range

00:42:28to find the guy, which is even more reason why I'd like to see them go tackle there.

00:42:32Why don't you talk about those guys? Then you start to get into like the, you know,

00:42:35Jalen Polk or, you know, if you'd like Johnny Wilson, if that's your brand of guy and you want

00:42:41to try that. But I feel like once you get to that tier, we're talking, you know, pick 68

00:42:45or, you know, a trade up from 68 into the fifties to go get a receiver you like.

00:42:51Yeah. So there's some X's there that I like better. Like you got like Brendan,

00:42:54right. I really like Brendan rice. Actually. I think he's a good player.

00:42:58Yeah. I think, I don't think Wilson's an X. I think Wilson's a Z. I think he's a massive,

00:43:03massive Z, which is, he's weird. He's a unicorn. He's like, there's no comp for him. He's so his

00:43:09own thing. Um, but you know, you could try him there or, or, or rice again, but yeah,

00:43:14you get in that next range and you start talking about the 68th back.

00:43:18Yeah. What about Tez Walker? What's your feeling on him?

00:43:22So to me, Tez Walker is very good at only one thing. It happened. It happens to be the most

00:43:27important thing in the modern NFL, which is explosive plays deep balls, but that's it.

00:43:32So you have to be really sure on your evaluation of them and you got to, you know, he's not

00:43:40Tez Walker to me is like the day two version of Malik neighbors in that. I don't think Malik

00:43:45neighbor's ever going to be a guy that catches like eight, nine balls a game. He's going to be

00:43:50three catches, 120 yards, two touchdowns. Like that's the kind of player he's going to be. Right.

00:43:55So can the Patriots operate the rest of their offense with their X receiver? And, and, and Tez

00:44:01Walker is not going to be that extreme, but that he's a downfield threat. He's really, really,

00:44:06really good at the vertical stuff, but that's it. And is there going to be a role for that

00:44:11guy in your offense? Cause I don't know how much he's developing beyond that.

00:44:17So if, if you can tell me, yeah, you know, we're going to throw 10 to 12 balls a game to pop,

00:44:23which cause of his size worries me. And, you know, Kendrick's going to be our most targeted receiver,

00:44:28which coming off the knee injury, as much as I love Kendrick Bourne coming off the knee injury,

00:44:31worries me like, yeah, all right. I just, if you're going to draft a guy to run wind sprints,

00:44:36like Nelson Aguilar was doing and Demir bird was doing, you don't need to use your third round pick

00:44:41on that guy. And unless you're actually going to throw the ball up to him, that's really all Tez

00:44:46Walker is going to give you again, if you can capitalize on that skill, it's a great skill.

00:44:52Yeah. You have to have an ability to capitalize on it.

00:44:55Yeah, I agree with it. People, someone in the chat is mentioning Javon Baker,

00:44:59who I had in this year, in this week's mock and people frigging hated,

00:45:04people love him or hate him. Like, I feel like everybody loves him. And then I mentioned him

00:45:07and you know, people are like, why are you talking about when I talk about.

00:45:12Yeah. And then people are like, yeah, DJ mentioned, DJ mentioned this guy,

00:45:18Jermaine Burton from Alabama. I mean, I feel like multiple coaching staffs hate this guy.

00:45:25And so I don't know, like scheme, like, you know, just like culture wise and like locker room wise,

00:45:32I don't know if he'd be worth it, but the guy's got real talent and like, he's an actual,

00:45:39like kind of a freak athlete, you know, 133 inch broad jump four, four, five 40 at, you know,

00:45:46decently big with 38, 38 and a half inch vert. Like he's a good player, I think. But it's like,

00:45:54if he starts falling far enough and the Patriots are drafting, you know, have the third pick of

00:45:59the, of day three, you know, could that be a guy that they target? I, you know, and that,

00:46:04that's where I wonder, like, I don't know if it's worth it early, but if it's late enough,

00:46:09I might say, let's do it. You know? Yeah. Looks like we lost Alex.

00:46:13I'm Alex now in the video feed. No, but I was going to add to that.

00:46:23I think also once we get to this point, day two, day three, you're also, you got a lot of

00:46:27imperfect prospects. So one, I think we're going to learn a lot about new England and what they

00:46:32think they can fix about a player. And this is also, you know, when you're ranking these guys,

00:46:38it's what do you think is fixable? You know, can you develop Tez Walker and fix his hands?

00:46:43Can you take advantage of a guy like Troy Franklin and some of the explosion he can bring?

00:46:47Can you build on what Xavier Leguette did late? Can you take a Keon Coleman who is young and

00:46:53build him into something more? Every team's going to have different answers to these questions.

00:46:58That's why I feel like once we get to day two, you know, you can kind of throw out the board

00:47:02when it comes to receivers too, because how many guys have we talked about already in the receiver

00:47:07on day two? And I think any of these guys could go from, you know, in the thirties to falling to

00:47:13the top of day three, just depending on, you know, what specific teams are looking for this year.

00:47:19So yeah, and the board gets all jumbled. And then it gets hard to predict if you're new England,

00:47:25because, you know, maybe this is the other part, if you only like two or three guys,

00:47:29do you want to take the risk that somebody gets taken before pick 60,

00:47:33or do you just want to jump on them at 34? I think there's varying approaches to that.

00:47:39And, you know, I think we could, we, I think we all have our opinions on which specific players

00:47:44we like, but I'm just so curious to see what the, it's a new front office. Like we get to start

00:47:48learning about a new group of guys and how they see, I really want to see how they handle this.

00:47:52And new scouting philosophy too. Like they're, the scouting system is different than it was.

00:47:57Right. And I think that that's when people say, well, the guys are the same, even if the guys

00:48:02are all the same, which they brought in a few new guys, but a lot of the scouts are the same.

00:48:07They're doing a new system now. So they're not, they're not looking at the guys the same way

00:48:11that they were. And so that's going to change things. I think just, you know, organically,

00:48:17because you're grading them in a different way. You were grading them before. And I think that

00:48:21that's, you know, going to create some changes to what they are, they might be looking for.

00:48:25And I think that's, it's going to be fascinating to see how that, how that plays out.

00:48:29Yeah. I mean, that's the whole thing we had for 20 years, we had 20 years of data to go on in 20

00:48:35years of, um, you know, prior examples and, and context and things like that. And you can kind

00:48:41of crunch the numbers from green Bay a little bit with Elliot Wolf, but he's the assistant GM. We

00:48:45don't even know how much he was really in charge and really is a new territory.

00:48:51Yeah. I think, I think the big lesson you always take away from the Wolf guys is that they like

00:48:55big receivers, but Wolf came over to new England and they picked a tackle on Thornton. So like,

00:49:01you know, how much is, is that going to play into this? Um, yeah. I don't know if you talked about

00:49:07this at all before Pat, but while we're doing receivers, um, if the Patriots do a trade back

00:49:12and end up at six, they trade back with the giants. Are you thinking receiver at six and just

00:49:17take, you know, whoever the top three is left. So I would take Joel personally. I, I just think

00:49:24you start to rebuild with the tackle over the receiver, but Malik neighbors is the only one

00:49:28of the top non-quarterbacks they've shown interest in. They met with him at the pro day.

00:49:31Um, and he's not a bad player. So I, I mocked, I did a trade down mock this week. I mocked Malik

00:49:37neighbors to them. Um, I think that, you know, if I had a bet on it, that's what I would go with

00:49:42the Patriots trade down to six, where are they going to take? But I would personally go Joel.

00:49:47Yeah. And what about Romo didn't say there, you know, he's the, he's the big body receiver. So

00:49:52he fits that. And you know, there's a lot of, I love Roma doomsday. I think I'm as high on,

00:49:58I honestly, if you're going to tell me to go receive right, Michael Roma doomsday, I, he's,

00:50:03he reminds me of a, like a bigger Stefan digs. I just think he's, his game is so complete already

00:50:10in that he runs a complete route tree. He can compete after the catch. He can compete at the

00:50:13catch point. He gets off the line of scrimmage, all that. Like he, he, and he's got the mentality

00:50:18to like, he's a gamer. I, I I'd love to see them, them land him. I really think he can play.

00:50:26Yeah. So it'll be, it's going to be fascinating to see kind of where,

00:50:29where it plays out. And what's interesting is that I feel like a dunes, a, a great spot would

00:50:34to take him would have been eight. And now where Atlanta has Kirk cousins, they're not going to

00:50:39move up to three. Right. And I think that that was, that was a potential spot for the Patriots

00:50:43to move back to and take a guy like a dunes day. Cause in my opinion, Chicago almost definitely

00:50:50is going to go wide receiver, um, at nine. And so, you know, and they might not, but I know they

00:50:56traded for Keenan Allen, but it's like, he now is old. If they can get another stud wide receiver

00:51:02to pair with, you know, their new left, their new tackle from last year and their brand new quarterback,

00:51:07they take number one. I think that makes a ton of sense. And so eight would have been a nice spot,

00:51:11but, um, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen anymore.

00:51:15Yeah. I mean, maybe they go Brock Bowers there. That'd be the only other guy, but,

00:51:18um, yeah, yeah. I'm with you on that. Yeah. All right. Let's get into, let's get into some of

00:51:22these, some of these mocks, some of these listener mocks, by the way, uh, people,

00:51:26listener mocks, uh, feel setting them in it's Pat's nation network, all one word paths,

00:51:31nation network at gmail.com. Um, and we'll just, we'll just kind of fly through some of these.

00:51:36I want to just take a look at the top. And then if there's any guys at the end that you want to

00:51:40point out, Alex, uh, we can certainly do that. Um, so, all right, so here's the first one. So

00:51:46we have Drake made three, Xavier Leggett, uh, Leggett at 46, Patrick Paul at 68, and then Kate

00:51:53Stover. Bob means the guy that, um, that people mentioned in the, in the chat. Yeah. I like a lot

00:51:59and Tanner Bortolini. I mean, anytime you throw Tanner Bortolini in there, and then you mentioned

00:52:04Brendan rice. If you throw me a Tanner Bortolini or a, um, or Ben Senate in there, I'm in, I'm in

00:52:11on the draft. If you give me one of those guys and, uh, and both of them, I'm a hundred percent

00:52:15in. So interesting pick here, obviously move back, uh, pick up a third round pick next year.

00:52:20They move back from 34 to 46 and then pick up some of those mid round picks as well.

00:52:25What do you think about that? Yeah, that, that's somebody who's clearly watched and

00:52:29read a ton of what I've done. So thank you. I mean, guys that I've hammered, um, I don't know

00:52:33if you can pull that back up, but I, they had, uh, in, in some of the spots, right?

00:52:39So Patrick Paul, I'm very high on Kate Stover. I like Jalen right. I, I, I is one of my top

00:52:45running backs in this draft. I like rice. I don't think you're getting him at one 17.

00:52:49I like a Rendo. I don't know about him and, uh, right. And then Bob means and

00:52:53Gravel or two guys. I'm, I'm super high on as well. Uh, yeah. So, I mean, I like the collection

00:52:59of players. I don't know about some of these guys in some of these spots, how realistic that is,

00:53:03but this is that that's a hall. That's a legit hall. You got a ton of talent there.

00:53:08Yep. And you got, you got three different receivers there who I think they all play

00:53:12the X role in slightly different ways. I don't know if it's going to be an X the next time.

00:53:17Yeah. Yeah. Um, and two of the fastest running backs in a draft there too. So

00:53:23a lot of athleticism there. Yeah. Lots of, lots of dart throws, which I think,

00:53:27you know, when you're drafting a rookie quarterback, you know, taking a lot of throws

00:53:30is good. Yep. Agreed. All right. Number two here with this one is from Tim Fitzgerald

00:53:36and he has a few trade backs here. Um, but he has them taking Olu Fushanu, um, and then Brian

00:53:43Thomas jr. And then Tyler Guyton. So two tackles and a wide receiver early on, and then Ricky

00:53:51Pearsall and then Spencer Rattler a little bit later on. Um, and then we don't have a quarterback

00:53:56draft. Yeah. Yeah. It's it. Yeah. It's interesting. It's interesting one, uh, from Tim Tim's Tim sent

00:54:03over a bunch of them. Uh, he's got some really good ones. This one, I liked the top of it and

00:54:08then it kind of falls apart for me. I don't mind Spencer Rattler, but then once we get past that,

00:54:13I'm like, what are we doing here? You know? Yeah. Uh, I, I, my thing on quarterbacks has

00:54:18been taken first or taken last. Like if you don't believe in any of the top quarterbacks,

00:54:22that's fine. But the hit rate on day two, you know, hit rate in the second or third round is

00:54:25very similar to the hit rate in the sixth or seventh round. So go draft, you know, Jason

00:54:29bean or Devin Leary or, you know, Andrew P's is probably not drafted, but, um, you certainly don't

00:54:35need to lottery ticket guys. You're just, I can't get excited about George Travis.

00:54:40I was during the season. I just think six foot tall guy who needs to throw a ton on the run.

00:54:47Who's having a significant leg injury might not be 25 until he gets on a field again. It's just

00:54:52like, if you're taking a guy late, you're going for upside. And how much upside is there with

00:54:57like, how much upside is there with any of these guys late? Right. But I just, I don't, he's like,

00:55:02it's, I, I, it's nothing against short draft. I just can't get excited about him for the Patriots.

00:55:07I would, if I'm taking away flyer, I I'm taking Joe Milton just out of, just off the vibes,

00:55:13just, just air it the hell out. You know what I mean? Like,

00:55:17I don't think there's a ton of upside with Joe Milton. Like I wouldn't know almost none.

00:55:21If you can get them outside, if you get them like, you know, one 93 or two 37,

00:55:26fine have at it, whatever, anything for that. I just, to me, any team that's gonna draft Joe

00:55:32Milton, this is going to sound crazy. Any team that needs to draft Joe Milton needs to have a

00:55:38plan. Any team that wants to draft Joe Milton needs to have a plan for his floor. And you may

00:55:41be thinking what's Joe Milton's floor. It's terrible. I would use him. I, I, I hesitate to

00:55:48say, um, taste him Hill. Cause I don't think he's a tight end. I don't think Joe Milton can play

00:55:54tight end, but using him as kind of a gadget player where I use him for quarterback sneaks

00:56:00and I'd use them at the end of halves to throw hail Marys. And like, maybe you have some other

00:56:05sort of, you know, bell dozer package. It's a very collegey philosophy here where you have

00:56:11special, this is what Joe Milton did at Michigan and Michigan still does with, um, uh, Alex Orji

00:56:16behind JJ McCarthy. That's how I would use. I would not count. You can try to develop them.

00:56:22I mean, have at it, go for it. I would not count on developing Joe Milton. I would draft him if

00:56:27I were, and I don't want the Patriots to draft him, which may surprise some people. I'm very

00:56:30amused by him, but as far as preseason would be, I think there's better uses they can make of those

00:56:35picks. If the Patriots were to draft him, I would actually hope it to be for his floor and not his

00:56:39ceiling and just, Hey, we're going to have some packages for this guy where we're going to take

00:56:44advantage of his very unique skills. And that's kind of what that's going to be. That's to me,

00:56:50I think his NFL role. And when I, I think you hit on it with a lot of the day three quarterbacks,

00:56:55excuse it. Most of these guys are old, but there's just not a lot of untapped potential

00:56:58there. And there's not like a, I don't think there's like a Jarrett Stidham level guy out

00:57:02there even where you're like, all right, well he had potential and he moved around a little bit.

00:57:06See the flashes and you just want to get them settled. Like I don't, there's a lot of guys

00:57:10who I wouldn't take before Jarrett Stidham or before a Bailey Zappy. Like I think those guys

00:57:17are better prospects than a lot of the day three guys. That was supposed to be, that was supposed

00:57:22to be KJ Jefferson, Kim Ward. Some people would argue Quinn Ewers, but like those guys aren't

00:57:29going to come in the draft anymore. As long as they still have eligibility, they're going to go

00:57:33back to school, get paid, try to increase their stock. So I think the days of like the Jalen

00:57:38Hertz's in the draft, I think we've seen that. Well, he was out of eligibility, but I mean,

00:57:44you're not going to see as many of those guys come through the draft anymore.

00:57:48Well, they're going to come through like Bo Nix or Michael Penix, where you feel like they may

00:57:53have fully developed already and you're getting. I would say you could also argue that guy's

00:57:57supposed to be JJ McCarthy. And then the league fell in love with him. So right. That's true too.

00:58:02Quinn, you was the guy that I, you know, of course he went back to school, but before he did,

00:58:06I was like, I was sold on the idea of taking him in the third round. Right. And just,

00:58:09and trying to develop them and see what happens, you know, and, and, uh, we'll see how it goes

00:58:14this year in Texas, which that's just such a bizarre quarterback room situation with,

00:58:18with arch playing behind Quinn Ewers. I don't think it's that bizarre.

00:58:21I don't think arch is very good. And so maybe that's it, right. Maybe it's just the name.

00:58:25I just feel like he should be good. Everyone was like this guy's the best player ever. And,

00:58:28and he just doesn't seem like he's that good. You had quick college football tangent here.

00:58:32I apologize, but you had that, um, that Texas team that was in this Texas football,

00:58:39they're not wasting years. Yep. You had a Texas team that was making a run at a national

00:58:45championship. They were undefeated. They were going to have a shot to go to the college football

00:58:50playoff and their starting quarterback, Quinn Ewers gets hurt. They did not turn to arch Manning.

00:58:57They turned to, and I am blanking on his name. Um, they turned to the other quarterback, uh,

00:59:04Malik, uh, I think it's Malik Murphy, right? Yeah. Whoever they turned to. Yeah. They turned

00:59:09to Malik. Like Malik Murphy's not bad. He's not like, it's nothing against Malik Murphy.

00:59:13I think he's a fine quarterback. He just transferred. It'll be interesting to watch

00:59:16him. But like, if the season was on the line for Texas football, why are they not going to go to

00:59:25the guy that gives them the best chance to win? And Malik Murphy was like, again, he's not bad.

00:59:30He's like a three star prospect. I think low level four star prospects, something like that.

00:59:35Arch Manning's arch Manning. He's this five star, but what did the coaches see? Who did they feel

00:59:39give that gave them the better chance to win the game? Arch Manning's not beating out Malik Murphy.

00:59:45How am I supposed to believe he's this generational quarterback?

00:59:49Was that about burning a red shirt? Did it have anything to do with that?

00:59:53Not again, I think for the position, Texas football was in you burn the red shirt. If

00:59:59you burn the red, right. If he was that good, let me like to win a national title,

01:00:05they would have burned the red shirt. You would think so. Well, not that level of player.

01:00:13And so I, I'm not a college football guy, but I just looked up Malik Murphy online,

01:00:17just out of curiosity, he did transfer to Duke. So it's not, it's not like this guy is, you know,

01:00:23a power five, you know, darling, and he's going to go out and dominate. And listen,

01:00:27I mean, Duke guys have gone high in the draft before. I'm not saying that they can't, but like,

01:00:32he's not transferring to Duke. If he is this like great quarterback that people were like,

01:00:38oh my God, he was just behind Quinn Ewerson. So he couldn't get on the field.

01:00:41So that situation's played out. Look at this draft. Spencer Rattler was the

01:00:47number one recruit in his class. He was supposed to be this generational quarterback

01:00:51goes to Oklahoma. He's going to be the next great Lincoln Riley success story.

01:00:55After Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray has an up and down freshman year come started as a freshman

01:01:00had an up and down freshman year comes back as sophomores, the favorite for the Heisman

01:01:05gets to week six, loses the starting job in the red river game to Caleb Williams,

01:01:11who goes on to have the rest of the career that Spencer Rattler was supposed to have.

01:01:15So you can unseat that guy. You can absolutely unseat that guy. And what became a Spencer

01:01:20Adler? He's fine. He's a fine college quarterback who may hang around as an NFL backup. That might

01:01:26be who arch Manning is like, I'm not totally sold on the whole arch Manning thing just cause the

01:01:31last name. I think that whole thing is overrated. Yeah. What we're doing before you get back to the

01:01:36mocks, if we're doing some college football quarterback talk for a second and we're doing

01:01:40Manning's head over to Ole Miss, Bart, do you watch, do you watch a lot of Ole Miss at all?

01:01:46I watched him a good amount this year. Yeah. Cause Jackson Dart is a name when I was scrolling

01:01:50through some of the prospects who intrigued me because his pressure to sac rate isn't too bad.

01:01:55And there's been like improvement on every single season. And that's not a receiving

01:01:59court. That's like loaded with guys. And it's like, when we look at next year's quarterback

01:02:03class, that's a name that I feel like might be under the radar. Maybe I'm totally, totally

01:02:07misreading it with him, but he can run. He'll be in the conversation. He's pretty inconsistent.

01:02:17Like when he's on, he's on, but he's not always on in the lane, Kiffin quarterbacks. There's,

01:02:22you know, that offense is very quarterback friendly. Right. So, um, he's definitely a guy

01:02:27that you have circled as like a potential first round riser, I think, but I, I got to see a lot

01:02:31more from him to put him in that tier. He also, you know, was playing with Quinn, Sean Judkins and

01:02:37teams are pretty much selling out to stop the run. And now Judkins at Ohio state, they have

01:02:42an unfair backfield with Travion Henderson and him. So I think they're going to put more on

01:02:46Jackson Dart shoulders this year, which could be good. Like if he takes that and runs with it,

01:02:50hell yeah. If he doesn't, I mean, he's just like 90% of college quarterbacks.

01:02:55Right. Yeah. All right. Let's get back into it. I just want to get through these kind of quick,

01:03:00uh, Nelson Lloyd here sent us a bunch, but this one, I'm not sure how he pulled it off,

01:03:06but he somehow went from three all the way to 27 and didn't get a feature first round pick. Um,

01:03:12yeah, it's disqualifying right there. This is a, this is, is quantity, not quality. I don't know.

01:03:19There's some good players here and Devandre sweat is a guy that I think, I think in that

01:03:25second round spot, if you were to move back and pick up some extra picks.

01:03:30And of course he just got the DUI, maybe a little bit further. I don't think it does much,

01:03:35but it could. I'm pretty sure Dane Bruckler in the beast today had Devandre sweat. It's like a

01:03:41fourth rounder. Um, something like that, which caught my eye. Yeah. That's going to worry teams

01:03:48because there, there, there were concerns before about his commitment level to get a DUI to what,

01:03:54two, three weeks before the draft teams aren't going to love that. I don't think the patrons

01:04:00are going to take them for a team that's talked as much about character and all of this. Uh, I,

01:04:05I mean, look, it'd be great. I think he's a tremendous player. I'm a huge fan of his.

01:04:10I just don't think it's happening. It's certainly not happening at 37.

01:04:13Yeah. Yeah. All right. Uh, Zach's a lot right here. Jayden Daniels at three, your guy,

01:04:20lad McConkey at 34 and Karan Amagaji at 30 at 68. Yeah. And then cam heart and bug means at the end

01:04:28of the draft. I mean, that's, that's cool. That's pretty damn good. Yeah. It's probably

01:04:35athletic safety too. Yeah. Yeah. I really like cam heart. And the thing you have to like about

01:04:41cam heart is he plays his best when the competition is the best. He locked down

01:04:46Marvin Harrison jr. He was great at the senior bowl, tremendous size six to two Oh two. I think

01:04:51he'd pair super well with Christian Gonzalez, where Gonzalez is going to take the teams like

01:04:56faster, speedier receiver. Gonzal, um, heart's going to take the more physically dominant

01:05:00receiver. Uh, I honestly don't know why he's projected to go this low to me. He's like a,

01:05:05a frit like 60, 70, somewhere in there, you know, former team captain to multi-year starter,

01:05:11that's what it is. He's a little older teams are a little hesitant because of the ceiling, but

01:05:17I, if they can find a way to like cam heart, I said earlier, like I think corner is kind of a

01:05:20need. Like cam heart is the exact kind. They don't need to go big on corner. They bring in cam heart.

01:05:26And now you have Gonzalez cam heart, Jonathan Jones rotating on the outside, Marcus Jones in

01:05:31the slot. Like that's a solid. And then, you know, Alex Austin and Marco Wilson fit in there somewhere.

01:05:37That's a solid group, solid, solid group of corners. I like that. I like that quite a bit.

01:05:43And I agree with you. All right. We just got three more real quick way real quick here. Old

01:05:47man mob here with JJ McCarthy at five moving back. I think what he did here was move back

01:05:55from five. He said it in the chat, but I'm pretty, uh, he said it in the email. He said,

01:05:59I think he moved back to five, took McCarthy, which would be tell you what to move back from

01:06:05five with Jim Harbaugh and then take his quarterback would be something. Uh, and then I

01:06:09think he traded something for 23 to Minnesota, took Jordan Morgan. Another is able to get here,

01:06:16Jalen McMillan at 68, you know, Braylon Allen, Jane Bell, who's a guy that we haven't talked

01:06:21about yet, but, uh, I saw someone compare him to, um, John Smith. And I thought that was a decent

01:06:27comparison. Um, a guy that has a high ceiling, you just have no idea we're going to get from him.

01:06:33Um, and so he could be really good. He could be terrible. We have no idea.

01:06:37Um, but I think it's worth a shot as late as he's probably going to be available.

01:06:43Yeah. I saw Taylor Kyle's. We talked a lot about Jordan Morgan. I can't get excited about him

01:06:48because he's, you know, the, the book on him is, you know, he is, he's got the short arms. He's

01:06:53under that 33 inch threshold. So it's, well, you, you know, we'll try him a tackle, but worst case

01:07:00scenario, he'll be a guard. No, no, they have enough freaking guards. One in the first round,

01:07:06two years ago, three in the top one 50 last year. No, you should have the bodies at this point.

01:07:12You should have the bodies at guard. I want to, I'm drafting a tackle to play tackle. I'm not

01:07:17drafting a tackle to maybe like, I don't need Isaiah when I'm good. I'm good on that one.

01:07:22Go get me a real tackle. Right. And again, if you want to take, I love Tanner Bordalini,

01:07:26you want to take Tanner Bordalini late in the draft. That's okay. He's got positional flexibility.

01:07:30He might be able to tackle, but you're not drafting him to be a starter. You're drafting

01:07:34him to be a swing guy. And maybe one day he develops into a guy that could be a starter,

01:07:38but you're not drafting him in the top 100 to say, Oh, we're going to start this guy.

01:07:43You know, he's a potential starter guard. It's like, what are we doing? Like, we don't need to

01:07:46do that. You got to go quarterback, tackle, receiver, safety corner, and then running back

01:07:52or tight end before in maybe edge guy, before you can start talking to me about going guard

01:07:57guard is your, your, you've traded down. That's your eighth or ninth pick in the draft.

01:08:01Right. Yeah. And I think, I think the guard to me is also like, you know, if they're sitting

01:08:04somewhere in there, they're top rated guy by a mile as a guard. I'm cool with that. Cause you

01:08:09know, whole strange question mark city. So look good, but still a question mark. You know, if

01:08:15you've got a guy, you know, if you're there and somebody falls, I'm down, but I think if you're

01:08:20going to go with an offensive lineman at 23, give me a, somebody with real tackle upside.

01:08:25Um, yeah, that's what Mims is probably a name that comes to mind there.

01:08:30Yeah. How do you feel about Mims? Are you in on him?

01:08:33I mean, such a project to be intrigued by, you know, massive dude, the tape looks good for his

01:08:39little Zeves played it. If you're going to commit to benching the quarterback for the year, you can

01:08:47also afford to wait on playing the left tackle. And if you feel like you can develop them and

01:08:51look, this is a coaching staff that just developed one Jones, right. Right. There's another big guy.

01:08:56Now you had a lot more experience, but another big guy, those guys just kind of developed

01:08:59differently. Like you could talk me into it, but I, I don't know that I love a Marius Mims week one

01:09:05protecting a rookie quarterback, but you can also draft a rookie quarterback and a Marius Mims and

01:09:10not have them on the field week one. So I, I I'd rather have a Marius Mims than Jordan Morgan.

01:09:17I'll tell you that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you on that. All right. Two more. Here we go. This one

01:09:22from Michael Drake may have four. So they moved back to four. Drake may have four

01:09:27Brian Thomas jr. At 19, Jordan Morgan, again, David Leggett, like it's all over the place here.

01:09:33Elijah Jones from Boston college. Oh, as a Ben Senate signing again, we'd love to see it love

01:09:39to see the Benson sightings. Um, and then a few guys here late in the draft. Um, again,

01:09:45I love Drake may. So I like starting off there. I don't love Leggett. And we just talked about

01:09:52Jordan Morgan, but I, the top of this draft, I'd like the top of this draft. I just don't

01:09:57know how I feel about the rest of it. You just can't trade down a four. That's not going to

01:10:01happen because if you trade down a four, what's going to happen is the Cardinals are going to

01:10:06now auction off the third pick and get a bag. You're just giving the Cardinals the bag.

01:10:10You could have got like people. Oh, well, the Cardinals will take Marvin Harris. No,

01:10:14they won't. No, they won't. They won't. They won't like, and if you pass on a quarterback

01:10:18and you take Harris, like there, somebody's getting the bag up. If one of the quarterbacks

01:10:22are on the board, one of the top three quarterbacks on the board and that pick gets traded,

01:10:26somebody's getting a bag. If somebody's going to get it, it should be you.

01:10:31Correct. Yes. Right. And that's, and you know, you saw what Monty did last year,

01:10:36Monty Austin Fort will 100% take the bag to move out. He will do it. He'll do it. And maybe he'll,

01:10:43you know, he did it last year and then he packaged some picks and moved back up to six to

01:10:48take Paris Johnson. Fine. But he got the package of picks to move out in the first place. He'll do

01:10:53it again. Um, and so, you know, so, all right, last one here, this was from Ryan, uh, on the

01:10:59show today, May Kingsley, Tez Walker, BPA 103, JV on Foster, AJ Barner at one 80. And then he just

01:11:09said an OT, uh, and then two 31 above means I like Bob quite a bit. Um, I think he's a late round

01:11:16sleeper. The problem with those late round sleeper guys that actually like look pretty good is that

01:11:21they don't end up being super late round sleepers. They ended up going a lot earlier than people,

01:11:26um, than people expect. Yeah. It's is JV on Foss. Is that Javon Foster?

01:11:34It's gotta be Javon Foster. Yeah, I must've. Yeah.

01:11:36So we're really going three times. I mean, three tackles. I don't hate honestly,

01:11:40cause they just need bodies. Um, I, I mean, this would be, if you tell me BPA is a defensive back,

01:11:48you know, cam heart, maybe cam kitchens falls a little bit.

01:11:52Uh, yeah. Who was BPA? I think that's just best player available.

01:11:57Yeah. Ah, yes. That makes sense. If you're telling me the best player,

01:12:01yeah. If you're telling me the best player available is a defensive back. Yeah. This is a,

01:12:05a very solid draft. I would not be upset. I I'm, I'm lukewarm on Tez Walker, but

01:12:11if you're drafting him to pair with Drake may, like it sells me on it a little bit more.

01:12:14Yeah. So I wouldn't say this is the best draft that they could have, but if they came away with

01:12:19that, I think they did. They did pretty well for themselves. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Nice. Okay.

01:12:27That's a lot of mock drafts. A lot of, a lot of prospects we got through there,

01:12:31Barth. There was, it was some good stuff. It was some really good stuff. Is there anyone that we

01:12:35didn't talk about that? You're like, I got to talk about this guy. It doesn't matter where he's

01:12:41drafted. It's like, so one of the guys that I didn't mention, I wanted you to ask him, um,

01:12:47I pick a guy every year to be my guy, you know, a day to pick. Of course my, my guy last year

01:12:52ended up being day one pick in, in, uh, I mean, in Forbes, I thought he assumed he'd go in the

01:12:56second and he did not. Um, but, uh, my guy this year is Malachi Corley. I'm wondering what you,

01:13:02what do you think about, about Malachi Corley? Uh, great skillset. Definitely. I just worry that

01:13:09he's a little small for a guy that's going to take a lot of contact and how long is his career

01:13:15going to be? He might be good, but he might be a flash. And when it comes to the Patriots,

01:13:20I think it's tough to have him and pop Douglas on the field at the same time.

01:13:24So I'd rather go with a different kind of receiver where you're going to have to take him just

01:13:28because I don't really want to pop Douglas. The one thing you have going for you. Why is that the

01:13:33one guy you're looking to replace? I mean, I understand like in Corley. Um, I just, I, I,

01:13:38I don't think he makes a ton of sense for the Patriots. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I kind of agree with

01:13:42you as much as I would love to see him on the field. It's like, I just don't know if you already

01:13:47have pop. It's like, where does he fit? Because he fits kind of that Debo Samuel type role,

01:13:51but you're right. He's not as big as Debo is. Right. And so you just wonder, um, you know,

01:13:58that how long is, does he have an NFL running back career where he's there for three and a

01:14:03half, four years and then that's it, you know? And so, uh, well, so what you do with guys like

01:14:08that. So like, at least before the DUI, right? Like to Andre, so that was the guy that I was

01:14:12like, man, I, if only the Patriots could figure out a way to get this guy. And admittedly, it

01:14:16doesn't make sense for them to take a 370 pounds, even tackle that high. So, you know, you put that

01:14:22name in your back pocket and in four years when he hits free agency, you go back to it. That's

01:14:26kind of how I view how I view those guys. Yep. By the way, when I, when I say my guy, it's not

01:14:32necessarily, not necessarily a Patriots fit. He's just the guy in the second round that I just love.

01:14:36So like I had, I actually had Marcus Jones, but before Marcus Jones was, um, uh, Oh my God. Um,

01:14:44I'm blanking on his name. Why am I blanking on his name? 32 for the chiefs, uh, middle linebacker.

01:14:52Love Nick Bolton from Missouri. And actually I wanted the Patriots to draft them, but, um,

01:14:57you know, but they didn't. And so that's okay. And he ends up being an all pro,

01:15:01you know, middle linebacker for the Patriots. And that's okay. By the way, Chris Dunlap saying

01:15:05that Alex Barth breaks down college players better than some of the experts on ESPN. I would say not

01:15:10some of the experts, most of the experts. No, I, I'm not even going to pretend I come anywhere

01:15:14close to curb street is the standard street. I mean, we're not saying he's an analyst on ESPN.

01:15:23I, I, I love myself from curb street. I can't get through Saturday and fall down. Um, yeah,

01:15:28it's funny. Like, I don't know who my guy is this year. Cause I usually have a guy or two like that.

01:15:32Like it was Tariq wool and a couple of years ago to Juan Jones, Darnell Washington last year.

01:15:38I, so I will say this was a new experience this year. We all have players we like that are good.

01:15:46Yep. We all, sometimes we have play, you know, we have players we don't like that aren't good.

01:15:52Sometimes there are players that are good that you don't like that definitely happens.

01:15:57I think I experienced the first this year. I found a player. I truly like that. I don't think

01:16:02is very good. And that's Joe Milton. So Joe Milton has somehow become my guy. I think it's

01:16:07because of fellow grandmas like Joe Milton is in bub means on, on Patriot speed have become my guys.

01:16:13And I like, but maybe bub means is my guy. I like bub means, I think he's a good developmental

01:16:17receiver. If the Patriots are going to double up like that, I wouldn't, but means it's not

01:16:21going to solve all your problems, but if you're going to double up, take a project guy later on,

01:16:24after taking like an 80 Mitchell, I, you know, I like bub means better than most of the receivers

01:16:28in that range of the draft. Joe Milton fascinates me. He entertains me. I cannot

01:16:33get enough Joe Milton. I do not want him on my team. I don't want to, I want to, I want to watch

01:16:39Joe Milton is best enjoyed from afar. And the good news is even when you're far away from Joe

01:16:44Milton, he can still get the ball. I just, I, he, he, I, how can you not be captivated by somebody

01:16:51like him? He's so entertaining. You know what he was James, James Wilson, James Winston, and not,

01:16:59not as play style, but like, I think Jamis is incredible. I love him, but I want no part of

01:17:07him on my team. No part of the thing about Joe Milton too, is like you listen to him talk and

01:17:12he's a very impressive guy. And he has that leadership tangent that you want. And of course,

01:17:18like Jamis, there were some questions about that coming out. Like Joe Milton is, uh,

01:17:24he's the kind of guy you want in the locker room. You want the huddle, all of that. He I've said it

01:17:30like Joe Milton is really good at all the individual things you need to be good at,

01:17:35to be good at football. He's just not good at football. And that's kind of where we're at.

01:17:42That's it. I've never seen anything like it. And I'll tell you one of my favorite things and I

01:17:47noticed it today, I noticed it today. And so I'm going to read it. Cause I think it's hysterical

01:17:52because you just said that. And yet in your Twitter header, it says a quote from Bill Belichick,

01:17:58a big part of football is the actual football part of it, which is why you like Joe Milton,

01:18:03but you're like, we can't draft him. He's just not good at football. You know?

01:18:06Right. I was, yeah, as a Michigan fan, I was subjected to a full season of Joe Milton and

01:18:12I'm, uh, I've had, I've had a lifetime it's worth. I'm all set now.

01:18:15That's the thing I'm enjoying. Like the NFL people who don't follow college are all getting

01:18:19exposed to Joe Milton in all their college. People are like Walter white in the backseat

01:18:24of the suburban, like, no, no. Like, cause they know what's on the other side of it.

01:18:28And I'm just enjoying watching all of that. I'm just sitting back and watching it all play out.

01:18:34Orange 85 yards. It's like 110 yards.

01:18:38I'm sure change them on the orange.

01:18:41What I've been saying about him is he's a, he's a guy who could ring the bell on top of

01:18:45the lighthouse for the football. The problem is he was trying to throw it to the guy in the end.

01:18:50Right. And that's my life. If you need somebody to throw at 80 yards,

01:18:53Joe Milton will throw at 80 yards. If you need somebody to throw at five yards,

01:18:57Joe Milton will throw at 80 yards.

01:18:58So I love it. It's that's the, uh, when you did the Simpsons beam on Twitter with that,

01:19:03I was like, I was dying. Um, so we've got a few, we've got a few people who are going to see own

01:19:08Vaki, uh, from Mike Lowry. That's a good one. Safety. Um, I watched his tape. I was less

01:19:15impressed by his tape than I thought I would be. If I'm being honest.

01:19:18I think it's more an upside thing. Yeah, I just, but he's an older guy, right?

01:19:24Yeah. But the idea that you can play safety and running back both at a high level, I think people

01:19:27are just, they, they think it's like another Marcus Jones. It's, it's a great idea except for

01:19:32the whole playing football part. I didn't think he was anything special. Uh, and then DJ Daniel

01:19:38mentions Roger Rosengarten and I, and I listen, I'm telling you, I promise you if they draft Roger

01:19:45Rosengarten, all I'm going to do anytime they speak his name, anytime they talk about him

01:19:52is make rookie of the year references. It's all I will do every single time, no matter what

01:19:57Rosenbacher and you know, all those, like, I'm just going to, it's going to be fantastic.

01:20:01So I'm actually hoping to draft them just for that. Cause I'm very excited about that.

01:20:05And there's a huge contingent of Twitter that will not get it at all because they haven't

01:20:09seen the movie before because they're too young, which is insane to me, um, to think about that.

01:20:14But nevertheless, but Roger Rosengarten is, is a guy, definitely a guy that people are high on

01:20:19later in draft. Yeah. I, he might not go that late. He might end up being a day to pick a super

01:20:25athletic tackle, smart guy. He he'd be a lock to be a top 100. He had a rough national championship

01:20:30game that counts for something. Obviously you don't entirely throw that out, but you look at

01:20:34his entire body of work and I think he's being underrated right now. Yeah. Which, which I think

01:20:39it side note, it's interesting. There's, I feel like there's a lot more right tackles in this

01:20:42draft than you usually see in one. Yeah. But a lot of them are athletic and like potential swing

01:20:47tackles, but you're right. There's definitely more right tackles than left tackles. You think

01:20:51it should be about 50 50, right? And it's not, it puts, well, it's usually a little bit more

01:20:56towards left tackle just usually because the better tackle plays the left side. And like,

01:21:00you know, you got Blake Fisher, you got Roger Rosengarten as guys who are like second fiddle

01:21:05to the guy on the other side of the line. And then you got like Fuaga and it was got a whole

01:21:09bunch of guys who were like, you know, they played right in college project to left in the NFL. And

01:21:14I just don't feel like you see that very often. Like for the Patriots, you're trying to trade,

01:21:19trying to draft somebody, you know, late day one or early day two. You, I don't know. It's a,

01:21:25it's a weird position when you already feel good about right tackle and the guys on the board,

01:21:29you're going to have to switch sides with them. Yeah. Right. Uh, one other,

01:21:33one last question before we get out of here, somebody asked in the chat and I forget who it

01:21:36was. Um, Oh, well, you know what? There it is. Gary Sauer, but just asked, um,

01:21:43I'll just throw it back up there cause it's the last one, but he's asking about a tight end,

01:21:47a developmental tight end. So of course we talked about Jaheim Bell, uh, any other developmental

01:21:53tight ends kind of, you know, day three developmental guys that you're like, okay,

01:21:57I can see this guy developing into something. Is it a Theo Johnson type guy? Is it, you know,

01:22:02is it someone else? Yeah, I think there's more of these players and maybe people are initially

01:22:06giving a credit for, um, the, the one guy that comes to me is Eric, uh, comes to mind for me is

01:22:13Eric all from Iowa. If you go back and Matt, I'm sure, you know, like 2021, he has this great

01:22:19season in Michigan is expected to be a top 100 pick suffers a back injury, missed the vast

01:22:25majority of 2022 transfer to Iowa. And then the only, you know, I was offense. He's obviously not

01:22:30able to do anything. So now here he is again, he's kind of a pure receiving tight end. I think if a

01:22:35team truly falls in love with the 2021 tape, they may talk themselves into, Hey, we're getting,

01:22:44you know, some value here, taking this guy on day three. The other one is Devin called from

01:22:48Washington, just a tremendous athlete for the position kind of got lost under the radar,

01:22:53you know, behind McMillan and Polk and the doomsday and even Dylan Johnson. And does

01:22:59somebody kind of look at the athleticism there and say, Hey, this guy may be in a bigger role

01:23:03can do a little bit more, but all tours ACL back in October too. So it's a couple of seasons in a

01:23:10row. That's right. Yeah. Season ending injuries, which he didn't, he didn't do the combine. I

01:23:15don't think either. I don't think he's there. I don't think he worked out, but he was there.

01:23:19Yeah. We just, the other thing I don't, if he tours ACL in October, he should be back,

01:23:22but he's going to miss part of the rookie camp stuff, which, um, yeah, I like, I like the upside

01:23:28on him. Uh, I'm just curious where he lands because I don't know how teams are going to

01:23:32value that. Yep. Yeah. He's going to, every team's going to have, there'll be some teams

01:23:36have them as a fourth round pick. There will be some teams that have them undrafted. Like

01:23:38he's going to be all over the place on boards. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's it, man. That's it.

01:23:46That's all we got. This has been a great, a hell of a hell of a 90 minutes, almost 90 minutes.

01:23:51Yes. Thank you for coming through Alex. Uh, really appreciate you love your work over at,

01:23:56over at the sports hub. And, you know, when we talked about it at the beginning, but like,

01:24:00you know, I love the fact that you guys that were grinding so hard and, you know, doing an awesome

01:24:06job, but kind of under the radar now are getting your shine, uh, on the big, on the big, uh,

01:24:11the big networks in the Boston area. And so, uh, we're happy about it. It's a win for everyone.

01:24:17I feel like, I feel like it's a win for all of us, right? When, when we see someone like you

01:24:21make it and we're like, Oh, that's a win for everyone. Like there's Barth killing it over

01:24:25at 98, five in the sports hub. It's great. And so a win for the people. Exactly. That's right.

01:24:29That's right. So, um, yeah, man, you're killing it. So before, before you go though,

01:24:35let everyone know where they can read you and see you and hear you and everything else.

01:24:39Yeah. Uh, 95, the sports hub.com. I put out two mock drafts on Monday had the linebacker,

01:24:45a draft linebackers preview go up yesterday. Cornerback preview will go up tomorrow,

01:24:49Thursday, I guess, whenever people watch this might already be up a new catch 22 tomorrow

01:24:53with Evan Lazar tomorrow morning. And then tomorrow night, a new Patriots beat show.

01:24:58I'll be doing a, another live mock draft with Brian Hines. So a lot of stuff already out,

01:25:03a lot of stuff coming up. Love it. Fantastic. Well, thank you, Alex, for, we appreciate the

01:25:07chat was killing it all night. We appreciate you guys. Great questions. Great conversation.

01:25:11Uh, so thank you for being there. As always, we're going to be back Monday after the, uh,

01:25:16after the marathon, uh, at a regular time to another mock draft, talking about Matt's

01:25:23mock draft 5.0, and probably, probably doing a live mock draft too. We'll see what happens. Um,

01:25:28but that's what we got. We're two weeks away, people, two weeks away. We're almost there.

01:25:32So anyways, enjoy. Thanks Alex for coming on. And, uh, and we'll talk to you guys on Monday night.

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