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00:00:00 (upbeat music)
00:00:02 - Can you say hard hats, folks?
00:00:06 Hard hats, lunch pails, steel tool boots.
00:00:09 - Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:00:11 - It's time to look at this boomer right here.
00:00:13 - You've just got so much talent here.
00:00:15 - Somebody said we need to apologize for Jamie.
00:00:17 - Can I pull the John?
00:00:18 What are we apologizing for?
00:00:20 What did we say?
00:00:21 What did we do?
00:00:21 (upbeat music)
00:00:24 (upbeat music)
00:00:27 - Oh yeah, Ahmet.
00:00:32 This is how you know Ahmet loves us
00:00:34 when he trails the music off a little bit.
00:00:36 - See that?
00:00:37 See that?
00:00:38 - Yeah.
00:00:39 And fade it down.
00:00:41 - There you go.
00:00:43 - All the way down.
00:00:44 - There we go. - There we go.
00:00:45 Nice.
00:00:46 Welcome, Garden Report family.
00:00:49 John Zanisherod Blakely holding it down
00:00:52 as the Celtics defeat the Knicks 116-102.
00:00:56 Kind of similar in terms of just how the game went
00:01:00 to their first game back in the all-star break
00:01:02 where Celtics did a lot of good things in the first half,
00:01:05 let the Knicks hang around,
00:01:06 came out with a strong third quarter,
00:01:09 kept them at arms reach the rest of the way,
00:01:11 and a solid win and an absurd 45-12 record now.
00:01:16 And with the Cavs losing last night,
00:01:20 you are now eight games up on the second spot in the East
00:01:25 and nine, 10, nine on the bucks.
00:01:29 It's, I mean, the Vince Carter slam dunk contest, Sherrod?
00:01:34 - It's over.
00:01:37 Over.
00:01:38 - Okay.
00:01:39 - We're there.
00:01:40 We're there.
00:01:41 - Over.
00:01:42 It's been over.
00:01:44 - Yeah, I mean. - It's been over.
00:01:46 - At this point, I mean,
00:01:48 pretty much the top tier teams in the East,
00:01:51 you're playing for that consolation prize at this point.
00:01:53 You're playing for who's number two.
00:01:55 That's, 'cause the Celtics, I mean,
00:01:59 and granted, you have to put this game in perspective.
00:02:02 I mean, they were out three of the top four players
00:02:05 and they put up a good fight for the most part,
00:02:07 but the more you look at the way the Celtics
00:02:12 are beating teams and the reality
00:02:14 that they're positioning themselves
00:02:16 so that they're going to have their core guys healthy
00:02:19 come playoff time,
00:02:20 I just don't see any team in the East at this point
00:02:23 being able to beat them four times.
00:02:25 - Yeah.
00:02:26 - And that's when it comes down, they're beatable.
00:02:28 There's no question the Celtics are beatable,
00:02:30 but that is a completely irrelevant fact
00:02:33 that when you talk about the playoffs,
00:02:34 it's can they be beaten four times?
00:02:36 And I just, I don't see it.
00:02:38 I just don't see it.
00:02:39 - Yeah.
00:02:40 We'll get to this.
00:02:42 I'm curious why Tatum played as much as he played tonight,
00:02:45 the 43 minutes, it was playoff style minutes.
00:02:48 I'm not really sure.
00:02:50 The reason maybe they're trying to get
00:02:51 into a playoff style mode
00:02:54 to get those minutes up for a few games.
00:02:56 There, you know, no Tillman, no Springer type rotation
00:02:59 tonight, it is what it is.
00:03:01 I'm not going to get into that.
00:03:02 That's not really the story of the game.
00:03:04 Tonight is a little, first of all, complete effort
00:03:07 'cause you got good ball games
00:03:08 from a lot of different people.
00:03:10 You know, Holiday doing Holiday things.
00:03:12 Derek White when he needed to.
00:03:14 Porzingis again, outstanding tonight.
00:03:18 Jason Tatum doing what he's said he does more this year
00:03:23 is letting the game come to him, reading and reacting.
00:03:26 We've always talked about Sherrod,
00:03:28 the whole give the game what it needs thing.
00:03:30 And that being more important than going
00:03:32 into takeover mode.
00:03:34 But tonight is a Louise Moeller special
00:03:38 'cause Jalen Brown, not only did he do it,
00:03:42 they let him do it.
00:03:43 They let him do it early.
00:03:44 They let him do it late, okay?
00:03:46 They didn't take the ball out of Jalen's hands
00:03:48 as sometimes happens.
00:03:49 And I'm not saying that's intentional,
00:03:51 though there's some people, Louise,
00:03:53 who believe it's some sort of conspiracy.
00:03:56 But tonight, Jalen Brown was the clear alpha
00:04:01 in terms of the ball, getting the mismatches,
00:04:05 getting downhill, getting what he needed to get to,
00:04:07 found him all the time, was really relentless,
00:04:10 was just getting buckets, insanely efficient.
00:04:13 And again, put up, again, they all cooled down a little bit.
00:04:17 These numbers were insane up until the fourth quarter.
00:04:20 I think he was 12 of 16
00:04:22 and then went a little bit cold late.
00:04:24 And that's how you end up with a 13 for 24.
00:04:27 But ridiculously efficient night here.
00:04:31 And again, when he has the zero turnover games,
00:04:35 I wanna make sure to point that out
00:04:36 because it's important.
00:04:38 You put the ball in Brown's hands
00:04:40 and he's going to the basket.
00:04:42 I think you're going to allow for some turnovers
00:04:45 because he goes so fast sometimes.
00:04:47 And on the nights when he doesn't have it,
00:04:50 I don't know what it is.
00:04:52 He was certainly slumping, Gerard.
00:04:55 He had that kind of,
00:04:57 let me get to the all-star break-itis,
00:04:59 I think, last seven, eight games
00:05:01 or whatever it was, heading in,
00:05:03 not playing his best ball at all
00:05:05 after having a pretty dominant stretch
00:05:08 for a little bit there.
00:05:10 In the three or so weeks prior.
00:05:13 And he just,
00:05:14 it was the bad Brown for a little bit there.
00:05:19 Last two games, he's looked outstanding,
00:05:22 even though, again, he didn't get a ton of shots up
00:05:25 in the first game back from the break.
00:05:27 But his handle looks better.
00:05:29 He looks crisp.
00:05:30 He looks focused.
00:05:31 He looks really organized.
00:05:32 I've liked both games out of Brown
00:05:36 coming out of the all-star break after, as we said,
00:05:39 kind of a, eh, you know, again,
00:05:41 a lot of them went through fatigue
00:05:43 and the team was still winning,
00:05:44 but he had definitely dipped a tad
00:05:46 and he's looked super sharp.
00:05:47 - Yeah, and the thing that I like about
00:05:50 what we're seeing is that
00:05:52 not only is he playing better,
00:05:54 but he's playing longer.
00:05:56 It felt as though that, you know,
00:05:57 those last couple of weeks,
00:05:59 his minutes haven't quite been what they should be.
00:06:03 And he would have, like, basically,
00:06:04 he'd play a really great half
00:06:06 and then he'd disappear.
00:06:08 And there was no rhyme or reason to that.
00:06:11 And I was concerned a little bit about that in this game,
00:06:13 but to Joe's credit, to Jalen's credit,
00:06:17 to the entire team,
00:06:18 they allowed him to keep rolling when he had it going.
00:06:21 We've seen plenty of games where he'll have a great half
00:06:24 and they'll pretend as if he doesn't exist anymore.
00:06:27 That didn't happen tonight.
00:06:28 And that's really good to see
00:06:30 because they're going to need Jalen
00:06:32 at various points during their run through the playoffs
00:06:35 to be the best player on the floor.
00:06:37 He has that ability in him
00:06:38 and we haven't seen enough of that
00:06:41 of the last month or so,
00:06:43 but the first couple of games out of the break, absolutely.
00:06:47 He's been really, really good.
00:06:48 And to your point, John,
00:06:50 I'm always, for Jalen,
00:06:53 there's never, Jalen is never going to have a bad game
00:06:56 when he doesn't commit turnovers.
00:06:58 Any zero turnover game,
00:07:00 I don't care what his other numbers are.
00:07:01 It's a good game
00:07:03 because for a guy that has the ball in his hands
00:07:05 as much as he does,
00:07:06 and makes as many unforced turnovers as he tends to do,
00:07:11 for him to have a game like this,
00:07:13 the 30 points, that's great.
00:07:15 The rebounds, the assists, that's awesome.
00:07:17 But the zero turnovers,
00:07:18 that's when you know Jalen Brown is playing,
00:07:20 having really, really, having a really good night.
00:07:23 - Yeah.
00:07:24 And again, it was one of those games
00:07:25 where they worked it inside out a little bit
00:07:28 because it was a mismatched sort of game.
00:07:31 And the threes were falling,
00:07:32 but the volume wasn't there necessarily.
00:07:36 And I know Joe doesn't love that.
00:07:37 And honestly, as I said,
00:07:39 Joe, the mathematician,
00:07:41 in terms of understanding the numbers game
00:07:43 when it comes to the threes is really on point.
00:07:46 You see it a lot of times
00:07:47 where it looks like the Celtics are playing great.
00:07:49 And you're like, why is this game closer?
00:07:50 And then sometimes you look at the three point differential
00:07:53 and it's like, oh, maybe they should jack more threes.
00:07:56 And sometimes it comes down to that.
00:07:58 But they were attacking early, which is really nice.
00:08:00 And you soften things up
00:08:02 and the threes were falling and that was great.
00:08:04 But yeah, I mean, Brown, I agree,
00:08:08 was in his bag most of the night.
00:08:09 And it's one of those kind of unstoppable things
00:08:11 where it's like, Bobby put this out,
00:08:14 and this is a really good comment in our group thread,
00:08:17 that if you have a team,
00:08:19 this is where the Celtics,
00:08:21 where teams are really gonna struggle with the Celtics.
00:08:25 If you have a team that has more than one
00:08:28 like defensively deficient player
00:08:31 in the lineup at any given time, they're toast.
00:08:34 Like it's 'cause it's really, really,
00:08:36 you can't hide these guys out there.
00:08:38 And granted it's only Brown here.
00:08:40 And without having OG, look, OG on the floor
00:08:43 is a different story because his ability to defend.
00:08:46 And obviously they'd be a different team
00:08:48 with Mitchell and Robinson in there.
00:08:49 Mitchell, maybe he comes back.
00:08:50 Randall, we expect at some point or another.
00:08:53 But with this team, when you're seeing Brunson
00:08:57 and Bogdanovich out there at the same time,
00:08:59 it's just, pick your poison.
00:09:01 It's really, really, really difficult.
00:09:03 Celtics kind of found wherever they needed to go
00:09:06 time after time after time.
00:09:07 And I think that's gonna be the problem is,
00:09:10 teams that are gonna have to hide defenders.
00:09:12 And again, you look at the Bucs,
00:09:14 you're gonna have to hide Lillard all game long
00:09:16 because he's gonna get picked on.
00:09:18 And when you go to that bench,
00:09:19 you're gonna have some other problems there as well.
00:09:21 That's gonna be a continued issue for teams.
00:09:23 And that's the main difference between the Celtics.
00:09:26 I mean, Porzingis being an obvious difference,
00:09:29 but just again, the main difference between that,
00:09:32 you can't cheat, you can't double, you can't hide guys.
00:09:35 You're gonna get picked on.
00:09:36 They're gonna find that mismatch
00:09:37 and they're gonna kill you.
00:09:39 - Yeah, and the thing about it is,
00:09:41 they know this and they're taking advantage of it.
00:09:44 It seemed that there were stretches
00:09:45 where we would see these things play out
00:09:48 and then you'd see Tatum, Jack and seven threes,
00:09:51 even though he's got a guy that's six foot three guarding him
00:09:55 or Jalen would, he would begin to back a guy down
00:09:59 and have a little guy on him.
00:10:00 And then he just kick it out to Al Horford or something.
00:10:04 And that's not happening now.
00:10:05 They're recognizing the advantages that they have
00:10:08 and they're making teams pay.
00:10:10 And that, I mean, that's a sign of growth.
00:10:13 And the fact that they've been very consistent with it,
00:10:15 it's a sign of understanding
00:10:17 what you have to do to be great.
00:10:19 This team is kind of, they're scary good
00:10:22 when they're locked in,
00:10:23 when they're literally just playing the game
00:10:26 to their strengths.
00:10:27 And again, looking at where they are,
00:10:30 looking at the rest of the East,
00:10:32 I just don't see a healthy Southeast team
00:10:34 not getting to the finals.
00:10:37 I just don't see it.
00:10:38 - Yeah.
00:10:40 It's hard to envision it until, of course, again.
00:10:47 - Until then.
00:10:48 - Yeah.
00:10:49 Are there potential landmines?
00:10:50 Sure.
00:10:51 But it's almost like you're trying to not get too cocky
00:10:54 when you're looking at it.
00:10:56 And again, we had this conversation again
00:10:59 when we were talking on our thread earlier.
00:11:01 I still think Milwaukee,
00:11:03 though they haven't looked great,
00:11:06 is a team you definitely don't wanna play
00:11:08 because ultimately, I'm not gonna say
00:11:10 they have the best two players,
00:11:11 but that Giannis and Dame duo is ridiculous.
00:11:14 Giannis might be arguably the best player
00:11:16 in the East right now.
00:11:18 But, you know, and obviously you're making case
00:11:19 for Tatum as well.
00:11:20 It's a scary duo to have to contend with.
00:11:24 And at the end of the day, they are kind of like you are.
00:11:27 They're about a six deep team.
00:11:29 They don't, you know, and things can happen there,
00:11:33 but I think you have to talk yourself into it
00:11:34 because you look at the way they're playing
00:11:36 and they did have a decent win in Minnesota,
00:11:38 even though they almost pissed it away late.
00:11:41 You know, it looks good on paper,
00:11:42 but they did almost blow, they blew a 14 point lead there.
00:11:45 That's it.
00:11:48 Miami sometimes scares you a little
00:11:49 or a fully healthy Knicks team.
00:11:52 You certainly wouldn't want an early round matchup
00:11:54 against Philly if Embiid were to return
00:11:56 and be able to play anywhere close to full strength.
00:11:59 That would be kind of unfair
00:12:00 because that was a team that was threatening
00:12:02 for the number two overall seed there.
00:12:04 There's landmines there, but again,
00:12:06 it's that whole seven games thing, Sherrod.
00:12:08 I think you got to pitch a perfect game
00:12:09 to be able to beat them in a series right now
00:12:11 the way they're playing.
00:12:12 - Yeah, you do.
00:12:14 Because again, they-
00:12:16 - Any one game, sure.
00:12:17 But it's just, I don't know how you do it,
00:12:20 you know, night in, night out.
00:12:21 I don't know.
00:12:23 - It feels as though if it happens,
00:12:25 it's going to be the Celtics beating themselves
00:12:27 and you just happen to be on the floor as a spectator.
00:12:29 Because the idea that Jalen, Jason, Porzingis,
00:12:34 Derek White, Drew Holiday,
00:12:36 four of those guys having really bad nights
00:12:39 on the same night,
00:12:40 just doesn't seem like that's going to happen
00:12:42 four times in a playoff series.
00:12:44 You may get a couple games like that
00:12:46 where, you know, multiple guys are struggling,
00:12:49 but what we've seen all season long
00:12:51 was when that happens,
00:12:52 that's the night that Peyton Pritchard gets you 19.
00:12:55 That's the night where Sam Houser will get you like,
00:12:57 you know, 12 points on four for six
00:13:00 shooting from three point range.
00:13:01 Or Al Horford will, you know, hit the time machine
00:13:03 and get you like a double-double or something like that.
00:13:06 It seems as though the way this team is built and structured
00:13:10 when one of their core guys hasn't got it going,
00:13:13 someone is ready to fill that void.
00:13:15 - Yeah.
00:13:17 And this is the, and I agree with this 100%, Derek.
00:13:20 We've said it a ton of times.
00:13:21 It's almost, I don't want to make every single show
00:13:25 a playoff preview because it seems ridiculous.
00:13:28 But like, that's what it comes down to.
00:13:30 And that's why it's like,
00:13:31 you're trying to get not too high and not too low.
00:13:33 It almost becomes ho-hum
00:13:35 when you're winning one game after another.
00:13:36 And that's also why I haven't overreacted
00:13:38 to the few not great losses or crap wins against,
00:13:43 you know, against teams that have been a little beat up.
00:13:45 Is that, it really only matters
00:13:49 when they get to the playoffs
00:13:50 and what's going to happen, like which Celtics show up.
00:13:53 And are you going to have the, you know,
00:13:56 wavering intensity Celtics, or obviously health is,
00:13:59 and no teams can sustain injuries to their top players.
00:14:02 But are you going to have those Celtics
00:14:04 that are going to be, you know,
00:14:06 oh, we didn't come out tonight,
00:14:08 or, you know, everyone else ratchets it up
00:14:10 and they're playing the same?
00:14:12 I tend to think no with this year's team.
00:14:14 I think that level of focus, you know, since day one,
00:14:18 you know, what were the things we talked about?
00:14:20 The grownups in the room, right?
00:14:22 Like, it just felt like very businesslike.
00:14:25 Tonight felt like an extremely businesslike win, you know?
00:14:29 And I think they're kind of,
00:14:30 they're stacking these together where like,
00:14:32 this is, we know what we have to do.
00:14:34 I have to think that carries over to the playoffs as well.
00:14:37 And I have to think, I have to think,
00:14:40 and you see, you hear a lot in what Tatum said recently,
00:14:44 and a lot's been made out of, you know,
00:14:49 the all-star conversation or Tatum
00:14:51 kind of playing a little victim people
00:14:53 while people dog me because I haven't won yet.
00:14:55 For whatever reason, it's sunk in, I believe,
00:14:59 the understanding that like, we really have to win.
00:15:02 Like, you know, we really have to win
00:15:04 because I mean, Howard Bryant, I mean, you know,
00:15:07 entered the chat all of a sudden over the weekend
00:15:10 and compared Tatum potentially,
00:15:12 he said he's entering Dak Prescott territory.
00:15:15 That might be a little cold, but you're right.
00:15:19 I think Tatum's starting to get a little bit,
00:15:21 a little bit wary of getting a reputation
00:15:23 of great player on good teams that can't carry them.
00:15:28 And you've built a super team here.
00:15:31 I think they have to recognize the pressure
00:15:34 on we can't around this time, you know?
00:15:37 This has to happen.
00:15:38 This has to happen for us.
00:15:40 - Yeah, and it's hard to, again, not-
00:15:43 - Shout out, Derek, again, thank you for this.
00:15:45 We do appreciate it.
00:15:47 - Thank you. - Super chat.
00:15:48 And anybody who contributes, we thank you very much.
00:15:51 And all of the proceeds do go to the hosts.
00:15:54 So we do appreciate that.
00:15:55 Thank you.
00:15:56 Go ahead, Shred.
00:15:57 - No, I was gonna say, they just get it.
00:16:01 They just absolutely get it in a way
00:16:04 that we just haven't seen before.
00:16:06 And again, I keep coming back to consistency
00:16:10 because that seems to be the one thing
00:16:11 that when you look at just the Tatum profile,
00:16:15 that's been the one thing that's been missing.
00:16:16 He's shown the ability to score, defend,
00:16:18 do all those things on the court,
00:16:19 but can he do it at an elite level consistently?
00:16:24 Because there's, and we've seen this up close and personal
00:16:28 with a guy like Paul Pierce.
00:16:29 There's being consistent player,
00:16:31 and then there's being a consistent playing superstar.
00:16:34 Tatum is in that zone now where his level of consistency
00:16:40 is akin to what you expect from your best player.
00:16:43 And literally the only box he has not checked off yet
00:16:46 is winning a championship.
00:16:48 'Cause there's nothing he has to prove other than that.
00:16:51 And so if you're the,
00:16:54 and to your point, John, I think that he knew that,
00:16:59 but I think now he's starting to feel the pressure
00:17:02 that comes with knowing that.
00:17:04 And that's getting him, I think, frankly, locking in.
00:17:08 I think he's mentally locking in more so now
00:17:11 than I think we saw two, three weeks ago.
00:17:14 So it's good to see that,
00:17:17 because they're gonna need him to be that guy
00:17:19 to win a championship.
00:17:21 - Yeah, I think, and that was always the thing
00:17:23 that was gonna happen is like,
00:17:25 eventually criticism comes in, warranted or not,
00:17:29 'cause the expectation becomes,
00:17:31 you're supposed to win.
00:17:33 You wanna be great?
00:17:34 Win it.
00:17:35 Like the face of the NBA stuff?
00:17:37 - Yeah, sure.
00:17:39 You can totally be the face of the NBA.
00:17:41 Go out and win a couple titles
00:17:42 and we'll make you the face of the NBA.
00:17:44 You know what I mean?
00:17:44 - That's cool.
00:17:45 - It's kind of there for the taking.
00:17:47 And I mean, the funny thing is,
00:17:50 is I've never been fully on board.
00:17:53 And thank you here again for the contribution.
00:17:55 Yeah, we're gonna talk about that in a little bit too,
00:17:57 the 43 minutes.
00:17:59 - Yeah.
00:17:59 - 'Cause I didn't love it.
00:18:01 Pardon me.
00:18:03 But I've never been,
00:18:07 I've always thought it's slightly overrated
00:18:11 in the sense that it's not always one person's fault
00:18:16 that a team didn't win.
00:18:17 Like, are you faulting LeBron
00:18:19 for some of those finals losses are coming up short?
00:18:23 Playing against super teams on the other side,
00:18:28 or when he was the only guy on California,
00:18:32 on Cleveland with no supporting cast
00:18:35 and he's carrying that team well past
00:18:37 where expectations should take them
00:18:39 and dropping those L's.
00:18:41 I'm not putting those on him.
00:18:42 You know, and I think in some cases,
00:18:45 you know, I don't think it's entirely up to the person.
00:18:47 This is a different year though.
00:18:48 I think this is the year that if you don't win,
00:18:53 you are gonna point some fingers.
00:18:55 And again, I'm not saying this as a negative.
00:18:57 I'm saying this as a,
00:18:58 I believe it's a bit of a realization for those guys
00:19:00 that they really need to do it.
00:19:02 - Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:19:04 And it just feels like those things
00:19:07 are falling into place finally for these guys,
00:19:09 both on the court and in terms of just having
00:19:12 that mental edge and focus and fire
00:19:16 that they're gonna need to win a championship.
00:19:18 And it really does feel as though the only thing
00:19:21 that could derail this team
00:19:23 from being one of the last team standing is health.
00:19:26 And they've gone well out of their way
00:19:28 to make sure as best they can,
00:19:30 that their core guys who have some health concerns
00:19:33 slash issues get that rest.
00:19:35 I would be very surprised if we see Prazingis,
00:19:38 play more than half of the remaining games
00:19:43 left on the schedule.
00:19:44 Because frankly, you wanna do every,
00:19:47 particularly you're this close to the playoffs.
00:19:49 You don't want to overextend him
00:19:51 when you don't have to this close to the playoffs.
00:19:54 So I think they're gonna be very conservative
00:19:56 about his playing time in terms of games played
00:20:00 and minutes when he's out there.
00:20:02 - Yeah.
00:20:03 And this is a good thing.
00:20:05 And this is a conversation we had last time,
00:20:06 the whole like, how's Tatum wired?
00:20:10 Is he wired where the MVP is important to him
00:20:12 and how important is it and getting that recognition
00:20:15 and that's what fuels him and all of that stuff
00:20:18 versus get the finals MVPs, they're much cooler.
00:20:21 You know, like it's a much better thing
00:20:24 to be a finals MVP than a regular season MVP, trust me.
00:20:28 - Yeah, yeah.
00:20:30 And it's, I mean, that's, and it really,
00:20:32 that should be the mindset you would hope
00:20:34 of all really good players that what you do
00:20:37 in a postseason should trump whatever happens
00:20:39 or accolades or praise you get in a regular season.
00:20:42 Tatum's a funny one like that though.
00:20:43 He's, I mean, he wants to be great.
00:20:45 He's made no secret about wanting to be
00:20:47 one of the all time greats.
00:20:48 And part of that narrative is being the best player
00:20:52 in a regular season.
00:20:53 And I'm just hoping that it's not something
00:20:58 that he gives a ton of thought to
00:21:00 because they don't need him to be the best player
00:21:02 in a regular season,
00:21:03 and even be the best player in the playoffs.
00:21:04 That's where your legacy is established,
00:21:09 cemented and kicked.
00:21:10 And then Tatum has been very clear
00:21:12 about wanting to have a legacy in Boston
00:21:15 as one of the all time greats, if not the all time great.
00:21:19 - And it's almost funny.
00:21:20 It's almost like, yeah, I'm not, don't take this wrong,
00:21:23 but it's almost like, you know, like a kid, you know,
00:21:26 like fine, you're not gonna give me the MVP, fine.
00:21:29 I'll just go win this one instead.
00:21:30 You know, like, I don't mind that.
00:21:32 I think that that's great is maybe he recognizes,
00:21:35 yeah, Dex a little stacked against me.
00:21:37 I'm on a super team, you know,
00:21:39 I might have to be Kawhi Leonard here, you know,
00:21:41 like I might not have the counting stats now
00:21:44 at the end of the year.
00:21:46 Teams too freaking good, you know,
00:21:48 they were too good.
00:21:49 We added two all-star caliber players.
00:21:51 What are we doing?
00:21:52 Like, that's the thing.
00:21:53 You're this guy, like it just happened for Tatum
00:21:57 three, four years earlier than it happens
00:22:00 for most guys of his caliber.
00:22:02 They get to 30, 31, they haven't won a championship
00:22:05 and they're like, bring me a freaking super team.
00:22:07 You know, now I need to win now.
00:22:10 It happened to him during his peak prime,
00:22:13 get 31, 32, 33 point per game potential
00:22:16 scoring championship years.
00:22:18 So he's being asked to not take a back seat,
00:22:22 just being told do a little less, you know, this year,
00:22:27 because that's better for the whole.
00:22:29 And it's just kind of happened earlier.
00:22:31 So you talk about the development,
00:22:32 everything about Tatum's development,
00:22:35 Tatum and Brown for that matter, has been accelerated.
00:22:37 From year one, when Tatum comes in the league
00:22:39 and you know, Gordon Hayward breaks his leg
00:22:41 and he's thrust into the starting rotation,
00:22:43 he's starting lineup and he just sits there all year,
00:22:45 has an outstanding season and then off and running.
00:22:48 And that's it.
00:22:49 Those guys, baptism by fire, they got in it early.
00:22:53 And you know, their first seasons,
00:22:55 they're in conference finals.
00:22:56 Like they've been, it is accelerated.
00:22:59 So the whole age thing, I've always thought,
00:23:01 nah man, they're really deep into their, you know,
00:23:05 careers just in terms of what they've been able
00:23:07 to accomplish and how much has been on their shoulders
00:23:11 for as long as it has.
00:23:12 And so this is already kind of happening to them.
00:23:14 It's like, you got your super team, go win it now.
00:23:16 You know, you've got a couple of your window here,
00:23:18 get it done, you know, and see what happens after that.
00:23:21 And I think he's, you know,
00:23:22 he's definitely coming to that realization,
00:23:24 which I think is good.
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00:25:11 what was the last time you had to worry about your hair?
00:25:13 - Oh my God.
00:25:14 Wow.
00:25:15 We're talking more than a decade.
00:25:20 - Yeah?
00:25:21 - Yeah, it has been a long time.
00:25:24 - I feel like you had, when we first met,
00:25:28 you were still pretending that hair was important.
00:25:32 - It's been a decade, yeah.
00:25:33 (laughing)
00:25:34 It's been a decade.
00:25:36 It's been a decade.
00:25:37 - Yeah.
00:25:38 - So no.
00:25:39 No.
00:25:41 - I like this.
00:25:42 I've always liked this look.
00:25:44 It looks good.
00:25:45 It's good for you.
00:25:46 - I'm good, I'm good.
00:25:47 I'm good.
00:25:49 But it's great to have options though.
00:25:51 I mean, it is great that our listeners can have options
00:25:54 to maximize their mane.
00:25:56 - Yeah, exactly.
00:25:59 It's not slander.
00:26:02 I love it.
00:26:02 Are you kidding me?
00:26:03 (laughing)
00:26:05 - Why'd you stick up for me, Jon Hill, my guy?
00:26:07 - Yeah, there he is.
00:26:08 There he is, the guy.
00:26:09 Yeah, so back to the conversation here.
00:26:12 And again, I'm not balding.
00:26:15 This is not, hat's not covering it.
00:26:16 Sherrod's seen the mane.
00:26:18 This is real.
00:26:19 This is thick. - It's real.
00:26:20 - It's thick, it's lustrous.
00:26:22 I'm not that guy with the hair,
00:26:23 it's crept all the way back.
00:26:25 I take off the hat and you're like,
00:26:25 holy crap, what happened to that guy?
00:26:27 - No, Jon, I don't think you got the halo effect yet.
00:26:31 - No, I'm okay.
00:26:32 - Good. - I am okay.
00:26:33 Neutrafol's gonna make it better.
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00:26:38 What else do I have to worry about, right?
00:26:41 You make it this point in your life.
00:26:42 You win, you've won.
00:26:44 - Yeah, you get to this part.
00:26:45 Yeah, you're good.
00:26:46 You're good. - Yeah.
00:26:48 Lustrous.
00:26:49 Lust, sorry.
00:26:50 (Jon laughing)
00:26:52 - Yeah.
00:26:53 - Oh gosh.
00:26:55 - Yeah. - Oh man.
00:26:56 - So that's good stuff.
00:26:57 Other things, pardon me,
00:26:59 other things that stood out for you?
00:27:00 - Just, I mean, one of our listeners,
00:27:04 they pointed out just the minutes of Tatum and those guys.
00:27:07 It felt as though that Joe went into this game and said,
00:27:10 damn it, we're gonna play a playoff type of rotation.
00:27:15 And you look at the way the minutes were dispersed.
00:27:17 I mean, pretty much everyone in that starting lineup
00:27:19 played, yeah, they all played more than 30 minutes.
00:27:23 Al was the only guy off the bench
00:27:24 that played significant minutes.
00:27:26 Sam Houser played 10, Peyton Pritchard played 15,
00:27:30 Luke Cornett got about 10,
00:27:31 and that's pretty much what they're gonna get
00:27:33 in the playoffs, more nice than not.
00:27:36 So it very much felt as though from a minute standpoint,
00:27:40 there was a conscious, intentional effort
00:27:42 to put these guys in playoff type-
00:27:45 - Playoff mode.
00:27:45 - In terms of the minutes played.
00:27:48 So, but I think that what's,
00:27:50 I think Joe Mazzullo's plan is most likely
00:27:53 to have two or three games where they do that,
00:27:57 and then have two or three games where he's just playing
00:28:00 the Tillmans, the Cornets, the Sam Houser's extended runs
00:28:05 and give his starters a chance to kind of not play as much.
00:28:10 'Cause there's a balancing act that I know
00:28:11 that they're trying to maintain,
00:28:13 and that is giving the guys enough run
00:28:15 to keep them fresh and engaged and in a rhythm
00:28:18 without wearing them down in the process.
00:28:21 So, but this definitely was like a playoff type of,
00:28:26 I wouldn't say atmosphere,
00:28:27 but just playoff type rotation and minutes distribution.
00:28:30 - It was, I almost feel though, like tonight,
00:28:34 Joe only fell asleep on Tatum.
00:28:39 - Yeah.
00:28:41 - 'Cause he did his regular sit down
00:28:45 midway through the first,
00:28:46 and then he brought him in late first as he often does.
00:28:50 So he played nearly nine minutes in the first quarter.
00:28:53 Then he played him the entire second.
00:28:55 The only guy to do that.
00:28:56 Jalen Brown played seven minutes in the second.
00:28:59 Tatum played 12.
00:29:01 - Yeah.
00:29:01 - Or Zingas played six.
00:29:02 So I feel like Joe might have just brain cramped a little.
00:29:07 And then in the third, instead of bringing Tatum out
00:29:12 when he normally does,
00:29:13 he played him the entire third quarter as well.
00:29:15 And he only sat a minute in the fourth.
00:29:17 So I think for some reason he just napped on Tatum
00:29:21 'cause the other minutes weren't bad.
00:29:23 They were in the thirties, you know?
00:29:25 So that was it.
00:29:27 I think he just, he extended him a little longer,
00:29:29 maybe didn't bring Brown in, you know,
00:29:33 earlier as he should have.
00:29:34 Because again, white 32, Brown 35, Holiday 35.
00:29:42 You know, he could have avoided the Tatum 43 there.
00:29:46 It wasn't full blown playoff minutes.
00:29:47 At the end of the day, I mean,
00:29:49 you still got 10, 10 and 15 from your, you know,
00:29:52 your, you know, your Howser, Cornett, Pritchard,
00:29:56 which is more than those guys are gonna get
00:29:57 in the playoffs most likely.
00:29:59 - Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:00 And if you're gonna do it, you might as well do it now,
00:30:04 coming out of the break,
00:30:05 trying to get guys back into a rhythm.
00:30:08 'Cause you know, you just never know
00:30:10 how quickly they'll get back into the flow of things
00:30:13 coming out of the offside break.
00:30:14 And to Joe's credit, you know,
00:30:16 he's playing a major minute so that they can
00:30:18 kind of fast track that rhythm
00:30:20 that these guys were in before the break.
00:30:23 - Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:25 No doubt about it.
00:30:25 A couple of things I wanted to mention as well.
00:30:28 Some people, I think rightfully giving Joe props
00:30:32 for letting Celtics play through a stretch there,
00:30:35 where it looked like the Knicks were coming back
00:30:36 in the second half and they turned,
00:30:39 what was it, a game that was into this.
00:30:41 They got it back down to single digits
00:30:42 and then boom, boom, boom.
00:30:43 They were able to pull that right out there.
00:30:45 And again, that could be a, you know,
00:30:48 another battle tested sort of like,
00:30:53 you know, figure your shit out.
00:30:54 It's gonna get harder as we go on.
00:30:57 And again, that's kind of what a lot of this
00:31:00 down the stretch stuff has to be, right?
00:31:03 In addition to, as we said,
00:31:05 I still think you gotta figure out
00:31:08 I still think you gotta figure out
00:31:10 if you're gonna use Tillman
00:31:11 and you gotta figure it out sooner than later.
00:31:14 And so hopefully that happens in the next couple of weeks
00:31:19 where you start to see him integrate a tad
00:31:22 because you just wanna see whether you have it.
00:31:23 But otherwise, yeah, I think just learning moments,
00:31:27 maintaining focus, doing whatever you have to do here
00:31:29 down the stretch is pretty much it.
00:31:31 I mean, they have a little break here too, right?
00:31:36 Are they off for three days?
00:31:39 - Yeah, they've got a stretch at some point
00:31:41 where they've got a little bit of a gap.
00:31:44 That's definitely a little bit longer than usual.
00:31:47 Yeah, after...
00:31:50 - They're Tuesday, Friday here.
00:31:53 So yeah, they don't play Sunday, Monday.
00:31:55 So they've got three days off.
00:31:56 They got two days off the next couple.
00:31:59 They don't play Sunday, Monday.
00:32:00 They're back on Tuesday, home versus Philly.
00:32:02 Then they have Wednesday, Thursday off,
00:32:04 and then it's Friday.
00:32:05 So this is a nice little stretch here to rest up
00:32:07 some of their guys.
00:32:09 Golden State comes in on Sunday.
00:32:11 That should be a lot of fun as well.
00:32:14 - The schedule gets crazy after Philly though,
00:32:16 because they're literally playing every other day.
00:32:19 - Yeah.
00:32:20 - And that's, yeah.
00:32:22 And I think maybe that's part of Joe's thinking
00:32:25 that he's gonna have to go to the bench more
00:32:28 during that stretch 'cause you can't play Tatum
00:32:29 43 minutes every other game.
00:32:32 That's just insane to do that.
00:32:36 - And then we also get to have a Grant Williams
00:32:39 intervention on Friday as Dallas comes in.
00:32:43 - Listen, it's getting real interesting
00:32:44 with Grant Williams.
00:32:45 I mean, Draymond kind of went in on him a little bit
00:32:49 on his recent podcast basically saying,
00:32:50 and this was after Golden State played Charlotte,
00:32:53 and basically saying that Grant's not a tough guy
00:32:55 and he needs to just stop trying to be a tough guy
00:32:57 and just stop running his mouth all the time.
00:33:00 Which to hear Draymond say that is kind of ironic
00:33:03 because basically he's doing you only he's not as good
00:33:06 as you are doing you.
00:33:09 But Grant, yeah, it'll be good to see Grant.
00:33:13 I mean, from a strictly selfish media standpoint,
00:33:16 'cause we love Grant, Grant gives us great content.
00:33:19 Grant, I think Grant might be the only selfish player
00:33:22 that we've had on the Garden Report
00:33:23 that one game in Charlotte where Grant just kind of,
00:33:26 you know, cameoed into our shot.
00:33:30 But I want him to do well
00:33:33 just because he's a genuinely nice guy,
00:33:35 but he's gotta figure out how to control those gums.
00:33:40 He's gotta figure out when to flap his gums
00:33:43 and when to just let it go.
00:33:46 - So I tweeted this earlier.
00:33:49 I do think the pendulum swung too far on Grant now.
00:33:52 Also, it's kind of like, wait a second, we get to beat up.
00:33:56 It's like your family, right?
00:33:58 We get to say this stuff about Grant
00:34:01 because there's still some love.
00:34:03 You guys don't get to say it.
00:34:05 That's just mean.
00:34:06 So it does feel like he's getting picked on a tad,
00:34:08 but I do think it is more performative than anything.
00:34:12 I think he doesn't read the room well.
00:34:15 And I think he's doing this because he thinks it's,
00:34:18 I think he thinks it's helpful
00:34:22 and he's not realizing a lot of his teammates are like,
00:34:24 nah, man, this isn't what we need right now.
00:34:26 You know, even the Jimmy Butler thing last year,
00:34:28 I mean, the Celtics showed you how much
00:34:29 they wanted to see him do that.
00:34:32 Nobody really, everyone's like, ah, Grant, this isn't,
00:34:36 I know you think this is the thing,
00:34:38 but I really wish you didn't do that.
00:34:41 So he doesn't quite have that.
00:34:43 Someone just asked, why does Doris Burke hate the Celtics?
00:34:47 I've never understood this criticism at all.
00:34:50 I think she loves the Celtics.
00:34:52 Like, in second and top of the country,
00:34:56 I've never quite understood that.
00:34:58 - Yeah, I mean, I think there was like maybe one moment
00:35:02 where something happened in a game
00:35:05 and her response wasn't as immediate or,
00:35:08 I don't know, I can't remember exactly what it was,
00:35:12 but it seemed like there was like one incident
00:35:14 that just kind of set everyone off.
00:35:15 - And she loved it.
00:35:17 Yeah.
00:35:17 - She, in all the conversations I've had with her,
00:35:22 you know, publicly and privately,
00:35:23 I've never got the sense that she did not like,
00:35:26 I don't, we'll put it this way.
00:35:28 The way I see her is a 180 from the way I see Scott Foster.
00:35:33 - Yeah.
00:35:34 - Scott Foster, I feel did not like the Celtics.
00:35:36 I feel like it's very personal
00:35:38 when Scott's on the floor on the call.
00:35:40 That feels ridiculously personal.
00:35:44 And I don't get that same vibe with Doris.
00:35:46 I just don't.
00:35:48 - I've never gotten it.
00:35:51 She definitely likes us a little less than,
00:35:53 yeah, I know she likes that B2,
00:35:55 but show me someone she loved more than Rob Williams, okay?
00:35:59 Like, and this Rob was on the team until last year.
00:36:04 Loved, loved, loved Rob, loved him.
00:36:09 Couldn't stop talking about him
00:36:10 every second he was on the court.
00:36:11 So no, I think she plays it pretty well down the middle.
00:36:15 And then every once in a while,
00:36:16 people just don't like it when she gushes
00:36:18 about somebody on some other team.
00:36:20 - Yeah, like Joelle.
00:36:21 Like she definitely gushes about Joelle,
00:36:24 but my goodness, he's seven foot one, seven, two,
00:36:26 can shoot threes and is physically imposing.
00:36:30 I mean, Joelle Albida is the future Hall of Famer
00:36:34 and arguably the best center.
00:36:37 You can hear me yoke it, different kind of centers,
00:36:40 but definitely high impact centers.
00:36:42 That's the only guy that when I think about players
00:36:46 that she talks about, he's the only one
00:36:50 that I say she probably likes him a little bit
00:36:52 more than most, but I don't see what others,
00:36:57 what some of the fans jump on her about.
00:37:02 Yeah. - Yeah.
00:37:04 - Yeah, it was a Philly game.
00:37:07 - Yeah, I don't know.
00:37:09 Everyone got mad.
00:37:11 Absolutely rooting for Rob.
00:37:13 Couple things from Joe.
00:37:15 Couple quotes coming out of the locker room.
00:37:16 Jalen Brown, "We are more organized.
00:37:19 We're a more organized team this year.
00:37:21 We're thinking the game.
00:37:22 We're trying to be the smarter team every night.
00:37:24 I just want people to remember that for our criticisms
00:37:27 or feedback or anything that we'd said
00:37:29 about the teams in prior years."
00:37:31 - Is that a preemptive strike on his part to just say,
00:37:34 "Hey, you know, when you, 'cause the criticism
00:37:36 is gonna come when we play like crap,
00:37:38 but remember this." - It's not that,
00:37:41 but that's what, anytime we'd go in on them a little bit
00:37:45 in the years past, it's like,
00:37:47 because they were just kind of, you know,
00:37:49 they weren't organized.
00:37:51 They were just, there was too much freestyling,
00:37:53 too much ISO, too much hero ball.
00:37:55 And you're right.
00:37:56 I mean, the ball movement tonight was outstanding.
00:38:01 - Yeah, I mean, they had that one sequence
00:38:03 where they passed up three really good shots
00:38:06 for the corner ball from Drew.
00:38:08 That was like, wow.
00:38:11 If you're the Knicks, and you're going back
00:38:13 and you're reviewing film after the game,
00:38:15 and you're just like, "What the hell can we do?"
00:38:19 - What's funny is Tibbs called a timeout right after that.
00:38:24 And it was just to say like, probably like,
00:38:26 "There's nothing we can do."
00:38:28 - Just keep playing guys.
00:38:30 - There's, you know, 'cause it was just so freaking fast,
00:38:34 you know? - Yeah.
00:38:35 - And really outstanding stuff.
00:38:38 Couple other things from Joe.
00:38:40 So Missoula, beautiful display of basketball from Jason
00:38:43 that I think will go under looked
00:38:44 and will not go into the most valuable category.
00:38:46 Guys, we gotta stop doing this.
00:38:48 It's just gotta stop.
00:38:49 We have to stop.
00:38:51 We have to stop. - Joe can't help himself.
00:38:53 Joe can't help.
00:38:54 Clearly Joe can't help himself.
00:38:56 He wants...
00:38:57 This is the thing that bugs me about that though.
00:39:02 We're, and by we, I mean the media,
00:39:04 are gonna be accused of keeping that MVP discussion
00:39:08 and discourse going.
00:39:09 And that's not...
00:39:12 I don't believe Joe was asked about MVP.
00:39:15 - Gotta stop.
00:39:16 They did it, he did it with Brown
00:39:17 and his potential assist and his reads,
00:39:19 the defensive stuff.
00:39:20 Joe's spending too much time
00:39:22 taking it in.
00:39:24 And I've said this a million times before.
00:39:27 Don't say it.
00:39:29 We'll end up saying it for you.
00:39:32 Both fans and media, everyone's saying, everyone.
00:39:37 Media, people on Twitter, fans in the chat,
00:39:42 really understated game from Tatum tonight.
00:39:44 I liked how he just kind of let everybody else
00:39:46 do their thing and just...
00:39:47 We said it at the beginning of the show.
00:39:49 He gave the game what it needed.
00:39:51 You love to see that from Tatum.
00:39:52 Not worrying about the stats.
00:39:54 Doris said it for everyone going in on Doris.
00:39:56 I mean, emphatically said in the broadcast,
00:39:59 he doesn't care about his stats.
00:40:01 So she threw that out there emphatically,
00:40:05 definitively early in the game.
00:40:07 It'll be said for you.
00:40:09 When you say it, it makes it worse
00:40:11 because now you're inserting it into the conversation.
00:40:13 Let everybody else figure it out.
00:40:15 You don't need to do that.
00:40:16 That's just a tip.
00:40:18 You don't need to do that
00:40:19 'cause the more you do, it makes it seem like...
00:40:22 Anyway.
00:40:23 Mizzou also talked about execution,
00:40:26 which we were just talking about.
00:40:29 Players take a lot of pride in execution.
00:40:30 Best way to defend the Knicks is to attack them.
00:40:32 They only had seven points in transition,
00:40:35 and that's because we were very patient
00:40:37 and poised in our mindset.
00:40:38 Cosign, absolutely.
00:40:40 They did.
00:40:41 That was good.
00:40:43 You're gonna nitpick.
00:40:44 They got beat up on the glass a little bit.
00:40:46 Always it.
00:40:47 Always gonna be a thing.
00:40:48 Not always, but the offensive rebounding wasn't great.
00:40:52 They leveled it off as time went on
00:40:54 and the Celtics went on themselves
00:40:55 to grab a few offensive boards
00:40:56 when the shots weren't falling.
00:40:58 One of the reasons the Celtics
00:40:59 didn't have a lot of offensive rebounds
00:41:00 is 'cause every f***ing shot went in.
00:41:02 They shot 71% through three quarters.
00:41:04 So you're gonna lose that battle.
00:41:06 You're gonna lose the battle on the offensive boards
00:41:08 when there's no rebounds.
00:41:10 Yeah, you lose the battle on the offensive boards
00:41:13 because there are no rebounds
00:41:15 to get off the offensive glass.
00:41:17 Yeah.
00:41:18 Every now and then, we really need context
00:41:21 for some of the criticism that we have for this team.
00:41:24 And that was one of those instances.
00:41:27 Yeah.
00:41:29 Yeah, one of those instances.
00:41:32 Yeah.
00:41:33 Your pitcher was low-key good in this game.
00:41:36 I mean, he did some things in the paint that were,
00:41:39 you know, he had like a dribble drive in the paint
00:41:41 and it seemed like he got stuck.
00:41:42 And then next thing you know,
00:41:43 Al Horford's got a layup at the rim.
00:41:45 I like what we've seen about Pritchard
00:41:49 like the last month or so.
00:41:51 He looked, this is the Pritchard that you thought
00:41:53 you were getting at the start of the season that you didn't.
00:41:55 So.
00:41:57 I like Pritchard.
00:41:58 I think he's very within himself.
00:42:00 You know, like there's games where it felt like Pritchard
00:42:02 was either gonna force every shot
00:42:04 that was potentially available
00:42:05 or simply couldn't get any off, right?
00:42:08 And like, if he didn't score,
00:42:10 he wasn't making contributions.
00:42:11 I think he's learned a little bit better this year
00:42:13 how to make decent contributions without scoring.
00:42:16 Only time he scored was at transition bucket,
00:42:18 all game long.
00:42:19 That's it.
00:42:21 Yeah.
00:42:21 And I thought he was fine tonight.
00:42:23 I thought he was a positive coming off the bench there.
00:42:26 So no qualms, no quibble over that.
00:42:30 You know, Hauser again, limited minutes comes in.
00:42:32 What does he do?
00:42:33 Takes two threes, hits two threes.
00:42:36 Horford, people beat up on him.
00:42:37 It's being an old man.
00:42:39 I thought Horford,
00:42:40 you know what I thought was really big on Horford?
00:42:42 When the outside shots stopped falling,
00:42:45 they fed him in the post.
00:42:46 And again, Al's not a big post guy,
00:42:48 but he went to work a couple of times
00:42:50 and settled things down.
00:42:51 And I thought that was super important as well.
00:42:53 Yeah.
00:42:54 I mean, Al still has enough in the tank
00:42:55 where he can give you really good three, four minutes
00:42:58 stretch where he can be impactful.
00:43:01 But they have to do a better job of finding him
00:43:05 in those positions.
00:43:06 'Cause he's still good enough to help you statistically,
00:43:11 not just give you that leadership intangible,
00:43:15 which is important, but Al can still play.
00:43:18 It's not like, this is not, you know,
00:43:22 he's near the end, obviously,
00:43:23 but he's not at the end of his career.
00:43:26 He's, Al's a good player still.
00:43:29 And at one of the points, I think,
00:43:31 I believe either Doris or JJ Reddick made on a broadcast,
00:43:35 they talked about how Al's still good enough
00:43:37 where there's a lot of teams in the NBA
00:43:39 he'd be a starter for right now.
00:43:41 So.
00:43:43 That, I mean, that's a hundred percent.
00:43:46 And that's the thing is like, it's, you know,
00:43:48 it's a crazy, someone just put it in the chat.
00:43:51 It's a crazy luxury that you have Al Horford
00:43:55 as a sixth man, because he absolutely could still
00:43:58 be playing starters minutes for a lot of different teams.
00:44:02 And he's perfectly capable when they do go in there.
00:44:05 And again, the luxury of just simply
00:44:07 when you need the size or when you're going
00:44:08 against certain teams to lean on those lineups
00:44:10 a little bit more is great.
00:44:12 Again, it's why I want to see X-Man in there too.
00:44:14 'Cause I think that gives you more versatility
00:44:16 in that regard, in the ability to defend.
00:44:19 I don't understand.
00:44:20 I, again, it's early,
00:44:23 so I'm not going to make a thing out of it,
00:44:25 but I'm going to start getting annoyed in a few games
00:44:28 if Joe doesn't at least see what he's got in that,
00:44:30 because I think it can be an asset
00:44:32 in the playoffs, 'cause I do think,
00:44:34 I think the Luke trigger is going to be extremely fast
00:44:38 in the playoffs, like extremely fast.
00:44:41 He might get two and three minute runs.
00:44:43 And if they don't like the way it's going
00:44:45 or he's getting, they're taking it to him.
00:44:48 I don't think it's going to be gone.
00:44:51 Like there's going to be some games where-
00:44:52 - Short hook for Luke, huh?
00:44:55 - I think so.
00:44:55 And not only that, not just the short hook in the first,
00:44:58 in the first rotation, there won't be a second one.
00:45:01 And you see that happen a lot too,
00:45:03 where they go down to six or seven
00:45:05 for the whole second half and that's it.
00:45:07 So.
00:45:09 - Yeah, that's very real.
00:45:10 - And that's playoff basketball and I understand it,
00:45:12 but I think you can put X-Man in there
00:45:16 and let him do, you know,
00:45:19 what Al's doing in there as well.
00:45:24 So, you know, that's a thing.
00:45:27 And again, also when you need the defense,
00:45:30 yeah, Porzingis has been great as a, you know,
00:45:33 as a shot blocker, but he's struggled certain times.
00:45:36 He struggled a little bit tonight at times
00:45:39 and guys like Al and Tillman,
00:45:41 I think could hold it down a little bit better.
00:45:43 And sometimes you might need that.
00:45:45 So you can't do it if you're bringing in Luke
00:45:48 as your third big in that regard.
00:45:49 If you're getting beat up a little bit, you know,
00:45:52 with your drop coverage or whatever it is,
00:45:54 I think that that's risky.
00:45:55 So I want to see it.
00:45:58 I'm not going to make it my everything or obsess about it.
00:46:01 But again, I think the likelihood of Tillman
00:46:05 being useful in the playoffs is a great bit higher
00:46:09 than Luke being useful in the playoffs.
00:46:10 That's my opinion.
00:46:11 - Yeah, yeah.
00:46:12 That makes sense.
00:46:14 That makes sense.
00:46:14 - Yeah.
00:46:15 - I guess, yeah, I mean, think about, you know,
00:46:19 Luke and just what is it about him that kind of bugs me?
00:46:24 And I think the fact that Luke doesn't,
00:46:27 you don't really feel Luke has any room to grow.
00:46:31 Like this is who he is.
00:46:33 And I look at Tillman, Tillman can get better
00:46:37 and you can envision him getting better.
00:46:39 You start going through the guys coming off the bench,
00:46:42 every one of them has the potential
00:46:44 without it being a stretch of the imagination to be better.
00:46:48 And I just don't, you know, see that with Luke.
00:46:52 This is who he is.
00:46:53 He's not going to be any better.
00:46:55 He's not going to be any worse.
00:46:56 This is just who he is.
00:46:57 And it's weird to have a guy that's that cemented
00:47:02 in a role who doesn't have upside.
00:47:08 I mean, it's one thing if Al Horford doesn't have upside,
00:47:10 Al's like a five-time all-star who started seven years old.
00:47:14 His upside is long gone, but damn,
00:47:16 Luke is, it feels like Luke is the only guy on his team
00:47:20 that doesn't have clear and undeniable upside going forward.
00:47:25 - And yes, we are having this conversation now
00:47:28 because I simply can't do it with Bobby
00:47:30 and I won't do it with Bobby.
00:47:32 I won't.
00:47:33 I can't do this one again.
00:47:35 I can't.
00:47:38 I can't.
00:47:41 - Here we go.
00:47:43 - I can't, I won't, I don't want to.
00:47:45 Missoula on Tatum's 43 minutes.
00:47:50 I'll throw that one in there as well.
00:47:52 The way they were guarding him and the way he was playing,
00:47:54 I wanted to stay in that space.
00:47:56 He put himself on Brunson defensively,
00:47:58 switched it, then stayed on him for a few possessions.
00:48:00 So not as some people had guessed,
00:48:04 trying to get into playoff mode.
00:48:06 He just liked what everything Tatum was doing out there
00:48:09 and decided to ride him a little bit longer.
00:48:11 That's the thing.
00:48:12 It's hard to not want to do that because, you know,
00:48:15 I mean, much less so this year, you know,
00:48:18 but taking Tatum out in the past has been death, you know,
00:48:22 surviving the non-Tatum minutes were always challenging
00:48:25 for this team.
00:48:26 And I know sometimes you probably feel the same way.
00:48:29 And so tonight was probably one of those nights
00:48:31 where Joe got the vibe of like,
00:48:33 I think he's keeping it together in a way that I gotta make
00:48:35 sure that he stays out there.
00:48:37 I think he's gonna feel that a lot in the playoffs too.
00:48:39 So, you know, gotta be careful.
00:48:41 I think, you know, as we saw in the finals two years ago,
00:48:45 even though Tatum was only 19, he got tired, man.
00:48:49 You know, those guys were worn down by their minutes
00:48:52 for sure.
00:48:53 Poor Zingas on getting boos from the MSG crowd.
00:48:57 I enjoy it to be honest, obviously.
00:49:00 They went down in my years in Washington,
00:49:02 I was still getting booed,
00:49:03 but they've ramped up a little bit with me being the Celtics.
00:49:05 No shit. That's great.
00:49:06 He was smiling from the get-go.
00:49:08 I think he, I think he dug it.
00:49:10 Drew Holliday, it felt good,
00:49:13 especially in MSG to be able to play here
00:49:15 and do it in front of this crowd.
00:49:17 So, you know, again, Knicks under man,
00:49:19 I am curious what they can do, Sherrod, at full strength.
00:49:22 I like this team. I really do.
00:49:24 And it's more than just Brunson and, you know,
00:49:29 the Brunson show.
00:49:31 I think, you know, Randall was playing well pre-injury,
00:49:34 had a slow start to the season.
00:49:36 Obviously, Mitchell Robinson is important to them.
00:49:39 But I mean, when those guys,
00:49:40 if those guys are healthy and they're in there,
00:49:42 and OG is great just for his ability to defend,
00:49:46 their team that was defending really, really well,
00:49:49 they can be a pain in the ass to play against.
00:49:52 And then when you bump those other guys down
00:49:55 into bench rolls, but Devin Chenzo,
00:49:57 I know he didn't have a great game tonight.
00:49:58 He has been ridiculous of late
00:50:02 in terms of as a volume three-point shooter,
00:50:05 he's been striping it.
00:50:06 So, you know, they can run you,
00:50:11 they can run you pretty deep into the playoffs
00:50:14 when they have everybody healthy.
00:50:15 And so it's, you know, oh, sorry.
00:50:19 - That's a big if though.
00:50:21 - It's an if, it's an if, it's an if.
00:50:23 - It's a big one with that team because they have,
00:50:26 the answer really isn't an if,
00:50:28 it's they just haven't been healthy.
00:50:30 And there's no clear sense that once they get past
00:50:35 this latest wave of injuries,
00:50:37 that they'll just be great and ready to roll.
00:50:39 But the Knicks have every reason to be optimistic
00:50:43 about their team now because they look like a team.
00:50:45 Even when those guys are out of the lineup and roster,
00:50:49 out of the, you know,
00:50:51 they're not playing because they're hurt.
00:50:52 This Knicks team at full strength, legitimate,
00:50:56 very legitimate, legitimate threat.
00:50:59 - I think this is a legit comment here from Judah on Luke.
00:51:03 There's nothing wrong with him, that's the point.
00:51:05 That's why I hate having this conversation.
00:51:07 Everything that he's done in regular season,
00:51:08 it's been commendable.
00:51:10 I worry in the playoffs, as I said,
00:51:12 and what else do you want out of your third big?
00:51:14 He's where he needs to be, he's doing the right things.
00:51:17 There's a good chemistry.
00:51:18 He gets to the right spots.
00:51:20 He's been an asset there on the lobs and things like that.
00:51:25 But I do worry in the playoffs,
00:51:28 the stuff's, it's just not gonna fly.
00:51:30 It's not gonna fly.
00:51:31 - That's gonna be a problem.
00:51:33 - So yeah.
00:51:34 - Which is what, which maybe, yeah.
00:51:37 And that's why having a guy like Xavier is so important.
00:51:41 'Cause you know that at some point you're going to need
00:51:44 another level of physicality in that front court
00:51:48 that you're not getting now.
00:51:49 And it's good to have a guy that you know
00:51:52 that's part of his game.
00:51:52 But it'd be nice to see him play a little bit
00:51:54 before you actually have to use him.
00:51:57 - Yeah, it would be nice.
00:52:00 We will see it, but again,
00:52:01 I'm not gonna make it my thing until a little bit longer,
00:52:05 and then I might get a teeny bit annoyed.
00:52:08 Let's see.
00:52:10 (laughing)
00:52:12 Amin, are you adding any, are you giving me any sound here
00:52:15 or are we just getting quotes here?
00:52:17 Yeah, poor Zingas with some nice words on D White.
00:52:24 Generally a happy bunch here.
00:52:26 Post game has wrapped up and Bobby Manning
00:52:30 is going to be joining the show in a little bit.
00:52:31 Sherrod, we gotta get, these 830 games, man,
00:52:34 this thing tipped off at what, like 843?
00:52:36 We should have been halfway through the third at this point.
00:52:38 These are two East Coast teams.
00:52:39 Why are you, what are you effing with us for?
00:52:43 Like Monday Night Football doesn't start this late.
00:52:45 What are we doing here?
00:52:46 - It's not gonna get your numbers better.
00:52:49 And if it's not gonna get your numbers,
00:52:51 you're just annoying people, really.
00:52:53 - Come on, people.
00:52:55 Let's do this thing.
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00:53:59 I am told we have some sound here.
00:54:02 Let me see what it is.
00:54:04 Horford, Al Horford here talking about the Celtics'
00:54:07 versatility in the way that they attacked the Knicks tonight.
00:54:10 - I think it's important to have,
00:54:12 as we've learned in the past few years,
00:54:15 that in the playoffs especially,
00:54:16 we have to find different ways to win.
00:54:18 And the Knicks really challenged us tonight,
00:54:21 and we have to find different ways to be effective.
00:54:25 So that's the strength of our group,
00:54:27 and it speaks of the versatility of the guys in this room.
00:54:31 You know, you got Drew Holiday posting up,
00:54:34 pulling up for a three, playmaking.
00:54:36 So, you know, it's playing to our strengths.
00:54:40 - Yeah.
00:54:44 Yeah. - Pretty fair.
00:54:45 A lot of guys who can beat you in a lot of different ways.
00:54:47 Again, I mean, the versatility is nuts,
00:54:49 but we've known this from the get-go.
00:54:50 You've got six guys who can all defend their position,
00:54:54 six guys that can shoot from the outside,
00:54:57 guys who can take it inside as well,
00:54:59 defend multiple positions, switchable.
00:55:02 It's really, I think, you know,
00:55:05 I think people need to definitely embrace it.
00:55:08 It's really hard to be this complete,
00:55:11 like to have this many people who do this many things.
00:55:14 You can find any contender,
00:55:17 and you can point to somebody and be like,
00:55:19 "That's a weakness."
00:55:22 It's really hard to do with the Celtics.
00:55:24 It's really hard to do.
00:55:26 And it comes down to, as we said,
00:55:28 every team's gonna have one guy
00:55:29 in their starting lineup at least
00:55:31 who's a bit of a defensive liability,
00:55:33 or lineups where they just don't have
00:55:38 enough shooting on the floor.
00:55:40 And these are things the Celtics have gone through
00:55:41 in the past, you would see it, which is,
00:55:44 even last year, you look around and say,
00:55:47 "I don't think they got enough here.
00:55:49 "I don't think they've got enough shooting
00:55:52 "and enough offensive versatility."
00:55:54 And again, look at who they were starting a year ago,
00:55:58 a year and a half ago, before Rob Williams got injured.
00:56:00 Rob Williams and Marcus Smart, great, terrific players,
00:56:04 but obvious drawbacks to what they could do
00:56:07 because they were offensively limited.
00:56:10 And I know everybody stands for Marcus Smart
00:56:12 because they loved him, and X, Y, and Z,
00:56:14 and what he could do with the ball in his hands.
00:56:15 But again, he was a limited point guard
00:56:19 and one who had very little gravity.
00:56:22 Of course he could pass, and he was a smart player.
00:56:24 No gravity because he couldn't create his own offense
00:56:28 and he's a poor shooter.
00:56:30 And Rob Williams refused to look at the basket.
00:56:33 So he did create a lot of things,
00:56:36 and you would get some stuff with him,
00:56:37 with the lobs and the offensive rebounds.
00:56:39 But again, this is a team that just doesn't have a ton here.
00:56:43 I agree with this.
00:56:45 I do think that interior defense,
00:56:47 particularly with Porzingis against bigger centers,
00:56:50 a little bit of a problem.
00:56:51 You're gonna see that, but again,
00:56:53 it's hard to be perfect, perfect all across the board.
00:56:57 And when you are running into these things,
00:57:01 you do have some beef on the bench.
00:57:02 And tonight was another example where you bring in Horford
00:57:05 and kind of lock things up a little bit,
00:57:07 and you can do that.
00:57:09 So again, nothing against any of the old players
00:57:12 who played here, they're imperfect.
00:57:14 And I'm not gonna say these guys are perfect.
00:57:19 They can just do a lot more.
00:57:21 And again, I'm gonna go back to it.
00:57:22 This is why in those big boy match-ups,
00:57:26 you wanna see a little bit of the,
00:57:28 you wanna see a little Tillman out there.
00:57:29 That's all I'm saying.
00:57:30 That's all I'm saying.
00:57:31 - That'd be good.
00:57:32 That'd be good.
00:57:33 - Yup.
00:57:34 - That'd be good.
00:57:35 'Cause you're not going to get to the promised land
00:57:39 of the playoffs without elevating your physical play.
00:57:44 - Yup.
00:57:46 - It's just not gonna happen.
00:57:47 And Tillman, he better find his way on the floor soon.
00:57:52 - You need guys who are who Grant Williams thinks he is.
00:57:56 Right?
00:57:57 (laughing)
00:57:59 You need some of those guys.
00:58:01 - Damn.
00:58:02 Damn.
00:58:03 - I didn't mean, I accidentally,
00:58:04 I just side swiped Marcus and Grant to make my point.
00:58:09 I didn't mean to.
00:58:10 - You're right though.
00:58:10 That's, I mean, that's valid.
00:58:12 That's, damn.
00:58:14 Yeah.
00:58:16 Yup, that's, yeah.
00:58:20 - I liked when Cass said Davis brothers
00:58:23 that put Tillman out there.
00:58:26 I don't know if Al qualifies as a Davis brother
00:58:30 in terms of snarl, but you know, again,
00:58:32 they're stout guys, you know?
00:58:34 - Yeah.
00:58:35 True.
00:58:36 - Yeah.
00:58:37 Bobby Manning is threatening to come on.
00:58:39 Bobby, thumbs up.
00:58:40 Feeling good?
00:58:41 Ish?
00:58:42 Yup, he's good to go.
00:58:43 Let's bring in Bobby and get a take here.
00:58:46 Bobby, we've been all around the world and back
00:58:48 because it's 58 minutes into the show,
00:58:50 but we're happy to have you nonetheless.
00:58:52 What's your primary takeaway tonight?
00:58:54 And tell us what's, you know,
00:58:56 what was going on with the guys.
00:58:58 - Oh, they're jubilant.
00:58:59 I mean, this was a real victory lap for this team
00:59:03 and everything that they've been trying to accomplish
00:59:04 this year, offensively especially.
00:59:06 And they had some defensive letdowns
00:59:08 that Joe wasn't happy about,
00:59:10 especially in the second quarter,
00:59:11 but letting them play through it.
00:59:12 I think he called one time out
00:59:14 for the first two and a half quarters there,
00:59:16 something like that.
00:59:17 So they dealt with the blows offensively from the Knicks,
00:59:21 or defensively rather,
00:59:22 and just executed and executed and executed
00:59:26 for three quarters in a way that
00:59:28 I've never seen them look this good offensively, John.
00:59:32 70% through three quarters.
00:59:34 I mean, you just gotta be kidding me.
00:59:35 And yeah, the shots fell, hit a ton of threes,
00:59:38 but the way they set them up,
00:59:40 the way they got to different spots on the floor,
00:59:42 the amount of guys that they had involved
00:59:44 on many of these baskets,
00:59:46 it was just silly what they were doing out there
00:59:48 against a stout team that's defense first.
00:59:51 So I know it's an under-end Knicks team.
00:59:55 I know it's a hot shooting night,
00:59:57 but I've never seen them play better on offense.
00:59:59 I really haven't.
01:00:01 - Yeah.
01:00:02 Yeah.
01:00:03 It was- - They were really good.
01:00:05 Really, really good.
01:00:06 - And the movement, as you said, Bobby,
01:00:09 it's a tired conversation,
01:00:13 but every time somebody gets mad
01:00:14 about someone asking about the threes
01:00:16 or about how you went about it,
01:00:19 not every shot is created equal
01:00:21 just because you can see it on a game chart on nba.com,
01:00:24 with where you're getting them from
01:00:26 and the quality of shot.
01:00:27 The quality of shot was great.
01:00:29 And just their ability to seek out the mismatches
01:00:32 when they had them and attack,
01:00:34 work in the post when they needed to get the ball down low
01:00:36 every once in a while.
01:00:37 And it was, as we said, sometimes you got Drew down there,
01:00:41 sometimes you got Al down there.
01:00:43 Porzingis is a double threat.
01:00:46 The spacing that they had, again,
01:00:47 Porzingis' ability to space the floor
01:00:50 so extremely where he's standing 27 feet back
01:00:53 from the basket and taking shots
01:00:58 and just the second the ball touches his hand,
01:01:01 he just rips it.
01:01:02 It was just an impressive display of like,
01:01:07 this is one of those games where if you're watching,
01:01:09 you'd be like, "Oh, shit.
01:01:11 If you were scouting the Celtics,
01:01:15 what are we gonna do here?"
01:01:18 We mentioned one possession
01:01:20 where they whipped it all around the corner,
01:01:21 got it to Holiday in the corner for three,
01:01:23 and it was a perfect possession.
01:01:25 And Tibbs called the timeout.
01:01:26 And I don't think it was to crap on his guys
01:01:28 for a bad rotation or not closing out.
01:01:31 I think it was just simply like,
01:01:33 "Okay, they're good.
01:01:36 That's gonna happen.
01:01:37 Pull it together.
01:01:38 Don't overreact."
01:01:40 But yeah, they're taking it to us a little bit right now.
01:01:43 And it wasn't necessarily to any fault of the Knicks.
01:01:46 - Yeah, and by contrast-
01:01:48 - It wasn't breakdowns, really.
01:01:49 It was just elite offense.
01:01:51 - Yeah, their defense just got stressed to the maximum.
01:01:54 And they tried different things too.
01:01:56 They went to drops.
01:01:58 They had double bigs out there.
01:02:00 They had good rotations at different points.
01:02:02 I mean, that rotation,
01:02:03 when the Celtics were starting the third,
01:02:04 six of seven from three,
01:02:06 Devin Chenzo just had this ridiculous rotation
01:02:09 to get out on block ground.
01:02:10 And Celtics probably would have started that quarter
01:02:12 seven of seven from three if he didn't do that.
01:02:14 So the Knicks brought it.
01:02:16 And Joe said that.
01:02:17 He was like, "They brought it at a level
01:02:18 that brought the best out of us."
01:02:20 - They did.
01:02:21 - It felt like a playoff game because of that.
01:02:23 And so, yeah, they were shorthanded,
01:02:24 but the guys who were out there,
01:02:26 whether it was Achua, whether it was Devin Chenzo,
01:02:28 up and down the lineup, they played well in this game.
01:02:32 They hit 40% of their threes
01:02:34 while the Celtics were hitting 50.
01:02:36 Brunson got into that in-between area
01:02:37 and was hitting everything.
01:02:38 I think he started seven to 13.
01:02:41 They went all in on this game.
01:02:44 Tibbs didn't pull the Stars till late, of course.
01:02:48 They just kept rallying.
01:02:49 - That's what Tibbs is gonna do.
01:02:50 That's so Tibbs.
01:02:52 - And he tore through timeouts, as you mentioned there, John.
01:02:54 Six and about three quarters from Tibbs there
01:02:56 just to try to slow the Celtics down.
01:02:59 And for all the people who say, "Joe, call a timeout,"
01:03:03 it's another example that they're not magical.
01:03:06 They're not gonna just turn into momentum
01:03:08 in your direction necessarily.
01:03:10 So you mentioned it too, John, reading the game.
01:03:14 The level the Celtics have,
01:03:16 even a guy like Jalen Brown,
01:03:17 who the one thing you can criticize with him
01:03:19 is the playmaking,
01:03:21 made all the right plays in this game,
01:03:23 for himself and others, setting guys up,
01:03:25 the little lob pass to Porzingis in transition
01:03:27 when he had DiVincenzo on him for the and one.
01:03:29 Plays like that throughout this game.
01:03:31 This team, when they're matchup hunting like that,
01:03:35 any team that has a Brunson on the floor,
01:03:37 DiVincenzo, guys you can go at,
01:03:39 even Hartenstein at times, Tatum really went at him.
01:03:42 Those teams have no chance against the Celtics
01:03:46 if they're gonna be this methodical
01:03:47 in terms of taking advantage of those guys.
01:03:50 It's just silly.
01:03:51 And like you said, Tibbs before the game,
01:03:53 just rattling off the different things
01:03:54 the Celtics can do.
01:03:56 Whether it's Holiday in the corners,
01:03:57 or Porzingis mid-high post,
01:03:59 and Tatum high and low,
01:04:00 and even Brown got into a post-up game
01:04:02 at a consistency that we hadn't seen from him before.
01:04:05 Horford, they said, just in the flow of the game,
01:04:09 they saw the Knicks were doubling him,
01:04:10 so they went to him in the post to draw those doubles,
01:04:12 and ran offense through there.
01:04:14 And it's all decisions by the players.
01:04:17 And from all the gripes we've had
01:04:19 about Joe not calling plays,
01:04:20 and not inserting himself, and this and that,
01:04:22 this is what he was trying to build towards,
01:04:25 going back to last season.
01:04:27 And even Emeigh was trying to get them to this point too,
01:04:29 when he took over.
01:04:31 - Yeah, but I don't actually,
01:04:32 does it matter though?
01:04:33 Like, yeah, you want the players
01:04:35 to be able to handle a situation.
01:04:38 I don't necessarily want the players deciding
01:04:40 what actions they're gonna run,
01:04:42 and what they're gonna do.
01:04:43 I do want that coming from the coach.
01:04:45 I don't think those two things are necessarily linked.
01:04:46 - I think it is.
01:04:47 - I think letting a team handle someone coming at you,
01:04:51 and dealing with it, and playing with poise,
01:04:53 and going through and doing the things
01:04:55 you're supposed to do is fine.
01:04:56 I don't see any downside to Joe saying,
01:04:58 let's start working Al out of the post here.
01:05:01 Why would that, why does that need to come from the players?
01:05:04 I've never quite understood that.
01:05:05 - I think how it goes is that Joe will end up
01:05:08 having structures that they work out of.
01:05:10 And I was talking to him about pre-game.
01:05:13 He wants them to be able to have that one structure
01:05:16 that they can do 10 different things out of.
01:05:18 So if they see a coverage, they'll have,
01:05:20 let's say, the double horns or whatever
01:05:22 that they're working out of.
01:05:23 You know, give it to a guy in the high post.
01:05:26 Maybe he's going, someone else is going downhill out of that.
01:05:29 You know, maybe they go into the corner out of that play.
01:05:31 So they're just reading the way
01:05:32 the defense is covering that play.
01:05:34 And they might run it 10 times in a row,
01:05:36 as Joe said pre-game,
01:05:38 but they're gonna do something different out of it
01:05:40 every time based on what the players see,
01:05:42 and where the mismatch is, and all the rest.
01:05:44 You know, how they're gonna guard it.
01:05:45 A lot of times in this game,
01:05:46 they were switching down to, you know,
01:05:48 a smaller guy in the post.
01:05:50 So, you know, you get it to Porzingis there,
01:05:52 you get it to Brown there.
01:05:53 You know, whoever's kind of coming out of that screen
01:05:55 a lot of the time is gonna get it there.
01:05:56 Horford too in this game.
01:05:57 So you're just putting pressure on the defense constantly.
01:06:01 And, you know, I guess the one thing left
01:06:04 that you're looking for them to do
01:06:06 a little bit less offensively is the settling.
01:06:09 And, you know, Tatum,
01:06:10 well the last two games certainly has pulled up
01:06:12 quite a bit from three.
01:06:13 That's still the criticism we've had
01:06:15 about him at different points,
01:06:17 but he's hitting them now.
01:06:18 And, you know, when they're going in,
01:06:19 they look a lot better than when they're not.
01:06:22 So that's just what takes you to the next level
01:06:25 offensively when he's able to do that.
01:06:27 You know, Brown a little bit in this game too.
01:06:29 But you love when the ball is working around.
01:06:32 You love when everyone's getting touches.
01:06:33 Holiday was four or six early,
01:06:34 and he's often the guy who gets forgotten.
01:06:36 He got quite a bit work early off in this game
01:06:39 going against smaller guys.
01:06:40 So this is the championship Celtics right here.
01:06:45 And, you know, there's room for improvement
01:06:48 defensively out of a game like this.
01:06:50 I thought the Knicks physically,
01:06:51 especially really took it to them at times
01:06:54 on the defensive end of the floor.
01:06:55 But offensively, I mean, there's no team that can guard this.
01:06:59 I mean, the Knicks sure are about as good as it gets
01:07:01 defensively from like an X's and O's standpoint.
01:07:03 And they just looked overwhelmed.
01:07:05 - Yeah.
01:07:08 As we were talking about, Bobby, you said it earlier,
01:07:11 this is a championship.
01:07:12 This is what a championship team looks like.
01:07:14 And Sherrod and I had alluded to it earlier
01:07:18 in the broadcast.
01:07:20 The lead's up to eight right now in the conference.
01:07:24 Nine over the box. - It's over.
01:07:26 - It's legit.
01:07:27 That's what we said.
01:07:28 (laughing)
01:07:29 That's what we said at the beginning.
01:07:30 - It's time to experiment, rest, and just ramp up.
01:07:34 - And we did talk about that.
01:07:35 And I'm gonna pick your brain a little bit
01:07:37 on the Tillman stuff.
01:07:39 I also wanna ask a couple more questions
01:07:41 about tonight's game.
01:07:43 But Porzingis talked not too long ago
01:07:48 and he was asked about this huge lead
01:07:50 that the Celtics have right now.
01:07:53 And he's given Brad, he's given Brad props for it.
01:07:56 - To be honest, I have to, like,
01:07:59 we have to give a lot of credit to our front office
01:08:02 for putting this kind of team together.
01:08:05 And when the opportunity presented, for me at least,
01:08:09 I said, "This is gonna work 100%.
01:08:12 "This is gonna work, or we're gonna figure it out
01:08:14 "sooner or later."
01:08:15 And it just worked right away because of the fit,
01:08:16 because of where I am in my career.
01:08:20 And yeah, I think Drew was,
01:08:25 and D-Wright's playing at an incredible level.
01:08:26 And I'm not even saying anything about JB and JT.
01:08:29 Those guys are always on top of their game.
01:08:31 So just, yeah, overall great players,
01:08:36 but also great people.
01:08:38 And that makes the team connect very easily.
01:08:43 - Yeah, yeah.
01:08:51 - There it is.
01:08:52 Brad put them together and they love each other.
01:08:55 But again, the Porzingis glue factor
01:09:01 can't be overstated here.
01:09:06 Again, on the court and off the court, he's been,
01:09:10 we've talked about it a ton, a ridiculous,
01:09:15 ridiculous addition.
01:09:17 And they talked about it on the broadcast as well,
01:09:22 like, you know, giving props to Marcus Smart
01:09:26 as a heart and soul player on the team.
01:09:27 But they're like, "This guy just fits so much better."
01:09:30 And obviously, obviously, obviously it does.
01:09:32 But yeah, good stuff.
01:09:35 - The sunshine that he brings into Jalen's life.
01:09:38 We needed that.
01:09:39 We needed that.
01:09:41 - We always thought-
01:09:42 - Jalen, we needed that.
01:09:43 Absolutely did.
01:09:45 - Yeah.
01:09:46 - We always thought, or at least I did,
01:09:48 you needed that pressure on Brown and Tatum at all times.
01:09:51 Some of those intense personalities
01:09:52 who would get on them, hold them accountable.
01:09:54 We almost wonder with the style of this team
01:09:56 and the success they've had,
01:09:57 whether it's better that they've had some guys
01:09:59 who compliment them on the court,
01:10:01 but off the court sort of defer to them, you know,
01:10:03 as the leaders of the team,
01:10:05 as the guys who are gonna do everything.
01:10:07 It's worked well, obviously, this season,
01:10:10 not having a guy who's up their ass,
01:10:13 for lack of a better term.
01:10:14 And, you know, I'm sure they're gonna need that
01:10:16 at certain points, but through the flow of the season,
01:10:20 it's worked well having a guy like Porzingis
01:10:22 who's just gonna praise them and, you know,
01:10:24 do the little things around them and set them up.
01:10:26 - Isn't that interesting?
01:10:28 Because between Marcus and Grant,
01:10:31 you did lose the get in your face
01:10:33 and make a lot of noise guys that-
01:10:36 - Even E-May.
01:10:37 - That, yeah, and E-May, that when things aren't going well,
01:10:42 you want the tough guys.
01:10:44 But sometimes it's kind of like,
01:10:46 and we mentioned this with Grant
01:10:48 and we alluded to the Draymond stuff, you know,
01:10:51 from the other day.
01:10:52 And we'll talk about that a little bit too,
01:10:53 but it's like, we don't wanna hear this
01:10:58 from you right now, man.
01:10:59 You know, like, I don't know how much of that stuff helped,
01:11:02 even though, you know, as fans sometimes,
01:11:05 and people, you know, media and analysts,
01:11:08 and looking at it like,
01:11:10 God, it feels like Tatum needs a wake up call.
01:11:12 Maybe, but I think it needed to come from within.
01:11:15 And I don't think it was coming from Grant Williams,
01:11:17 you know, and I don't, and I mean, even Jalen Brown,
01:11:20 who talked about having a, you know,
01:11:22 big brother, little brother-like relationship
01:11:24 with Marcus Smart, flat out said like,
01:11:26 I hate Fuggie, I didn't always like the guy.
01:11:30 - And Marcus confirmed it.
01:11:31 And Marcus confirmed the feeling with Mitchell.
01:11:33 - We didn't really like, like,
01:11:35 it was kind of like sometimes like,
01:11:37 enough out of you, man.
01:11:39 And like, maybe the pressure,
01:11:41 what's funny is you think they need it,
01:11:43 and then you have someone like Porzingis come in
01:11:45 and he's like, "Hey, JB,
01:11:47 we should get an apartment together."
01:11:48 And they're just like buddies, and that's it.
01:11:50 That's all you needed, right?
01:11:51 It's so strange.
01:11:53 All that is just quiet and just does his thing,
01:11:55 and he's a pro.
01:11:56 It's like, oh yeah, maybe you didn't need people ranting
01:11:59 and throwing chairs and yelling at him.
01:12:01 - Yeah, this is fresh too.
01:12:02 And obviously across sports,
01:12:04 whether it's coaches or teammates or whatever it might be,
01:12:06 things get stale and tired.
01:12:07 - And Joe's love.
01:12:08 - We talked about that being a dynamic.
01:12:09 - They needed Joe's love, yeah.
01:12:10 - Yeah, and Smart had been there for what, nine years.
01:12:14 Grant had been there for four at that point.
01:12:16 So, and that dynamic just might've gotten tired
01:12:20 to some degree in terms of the room.
01:12:22 And it really is a unique room going in there.
01:12:26 Not that I'm in a ton of different teams' locker rooms,
01:12:30 but when visiting teams come in,
01:12:31 you do get a little bit of a comparison.
01:12:33 And some things are close.
01:12:36 Everybody's talking in there.
01:12:38 Everybody's joking around.
01:12:39 After this game, Luke and Tatum were going back and forth,
01:12:42 asking who was in the crowd, celebrities and stuff.
01:12:45 Drew was going back and forth with O'Shea,
01:12:48 and Al's just kind of mixing it up with everybody.
01:12:50 Like there's bonds across this locker room
01:12:53 that are pretty clear.
01:12:54 And they've talked a lot throughout this year
01:12:56 about how close this group is
01:12:58 and just how good the chemistry's been.
01:13:00 I think guys like Xavier,
01:13:03 Xavier was in there chatting it up too.
01:13:05 I'm going to add to that.
01:13:06 Jaden, I talked to him for a while pre-game.
01:13:08 Seems like a solid dude who's really working
01:13:12 and really excited to be here.
01:13:14 Like he's just, he can't stop smiling
01:13:15 about the fact that that trade happened.
01:13:17 So it's a good room.
01:13:19 It's a good, good room that they have here.
01:13:22 And that's definitely adding to their success.
01:13:24 And it's the perfect team on the court.
01:13:26 Like everything works.
01:13:27 And when you're winning,
01:13:28 it's always easier to have that dynamic.
01:13:30 - Yeah, you're like, yeah, exactly right.
01:13:32 If it was Rocky, it's again, it's the whole-
01:13:36 - But they were winning last year too,
01:13:37 and something was off.
01:13:39 - You could tell, but it is a chicken and the egg thing.
01:13:42 You know, was it the right mix of people,
01:13:45 you know, behind the scenes that brought the best out of them
01:13:47 or did they just play,
01:13:49 there was so much harmony on the court
01:13:51 that like there's just good vibes that they went throughout.
01:13:53 Did they appreciate the understated professionalism
01:13:57 of the people that they added?
01:13:58 You know, was there noise before, you know,
01:14:01 in the smart and the things.
01:14:03 I always say this a lot.
01:14:04 Like sometimes it's not like, ugh, I don't hate this guy.
01:14:08 But when he's around, if I were at a 10, you know,
01:14:12 and then he's around, I drop to an eight or a seven.
01:14:15 Like, I'm just not as psyched as I was
01:14:20 before they walked in the room.
01:14:21 Some guys, some people have that effect, right?
01:14:24 And it just is like, ah,
01:14:26 and you're just a little less of yourself
01:14:27 and you don't camp.
01:14:28 It's not the thing or enough of a thing to make an issue of,
01:14:32 but you do wonder if clearing some stuff out
01:14:35 has given them a little bit more, you know,
01:14:37 and there's talk and reporting behind the scenes
01:14:40 that some things got tired
01:14:41 and again, Grant Williams wore out his stay
01:14:45 in like 10 seconds in Dallas, you know, who knows,
01:14:48 but without disparaging what was here before,
01:14:51 you can definitely sense that there's an overall improvement
01:14:54 in the room and the vibe just from the time.
01:14:56 I mean, Bobby, you spend a ton of time in Sherrod,
01:14:58 ton of time around the team,
01:14:59 but even the times I'm down there at practice,
01:15:01 it feels different.
01:15:02 It really felt like just sub clicks, you know, in the past.
01:15:09 You know, guys had their guys and that was kind of it,
01:15:12 but a little bit more like, I don't know,
01:15:16 a little more disjointed in the past.
01:15:18 It doesn't feel that way this year.
01:15:19 It's a little, it's freer and easier
01:15:21 and it's kind of been that way from the get-go.
01:15:24 - Yeah.
01:15:25 - That's why, you know,
01:15:26 that's why it's been compared to '08 so much
01:15:28 is a group of guys at different points of their career
01:15:30 who are figuring out that we'd done a lot,
01:15:33 and poor Zing has talked about this too.
01:15:35 You get to a point where the only thing left
01:15:37 that matters is winning and drew aside,
01:15:41 everybody on this team hasn't done that yet.
01:15:44 So they're all bought into a collective mission here
01:15:47 and you saw it play out in the highest form in this game.
01:15:51 I mean, this, you know, I've been holding out, John,
01:15:53 on the championship, you know,
01:15:55 picking them this year and believing in them.
01:15:57 This is about as close as I've gotten to buying in.
01:16:01 Like this was, this was a real circle of the calendar game
01:16:06 in a tough environment against a team
01:16:08 that was playing like hell.
01:16:10 Like they just took it to them
01:16:13 and couldn't even make a dent, the Knicks did.
01:16:16 And again, they're shorthanded.
01:16:17 And I know someone in the chat was just asking like,
01:16:20 who you worry about in the East,
01:16:22 who you worry about in the league?
01:16:23 This team's there.
01:16:24 Like when they're healthy,
01:16:25 they're going to be a problem for Boston
01:16:28 and everybody really that they go up against.
01:16:31 But if the Celtics are executing like this,
01:16:33 they're still not going to have enough
01:16:35 to at least win the series.
01:16:38 - Yeah.
01:16:39 Throwing up one more,
01:16:40 we talked about Jason Tatum playing that understated game.
01:16:44 Now Tatum said things to this effect recently
01:16:47 about how he's letting things come to him a little bit more.
01:16:50 And yeah, year over year,
01:16:52 his first quarter scoring is a little bit down
01:16:54 than it was last year.
01:16:55 So you can see a person who is known
01:16:59 for starting slow at times
01:17:01 is doing it now more intentionally,
01:17:04 or at least that's the way he views it,
01:17:06 which is the, I'll let it come to me.
01:17:08 I'll eventually get mine,
01:17:09 but I don't have to go out there jacking shots early.
01:17:11 I'll take what the game gives me.
01:17:14 But again, is it hurting overall numbers?
01:17:18 Sure, you look at the stat line tonight.
01:17:19 If you didn't watch the game,
01:17:20 you might get the impression like,
01:17:21 oh, what's up with Tatum?
01:17:23 Why didn't he get involved?
01:17:24 It didn't feel like one of those games.
01:17:26 It felt like he did exactly what he needed to do tonight
01:17:28 when he needed to do it.
01:17:29 Joe, once again, kind of giving him flowers.
01:17:32 People aren't seeing this stuff.
01:17:34 What bugs me isn't that he said it,
01:17:36 it's that everybody sees it.
01:17:38 I don't know who you need to convince of this.
01:17:41 I think everybody sees it.
01:17:42 - It's not showing up in the stat sheet.
01:17:44 - Yeah, we get it, we get it.
01:17:45 But I think everyone is kind of saying the same thing.
01:17:48 No one's looking at these down games with Tatum.
01:17:50 We even said at the beginning of the year,
01:17:52 the best version of him is gonna score less
01:17:54 and do everything else a little bit more
01:17:56 and play defense and get his teammates involved
01:17:59 and not worry about putting up 30.
01:18:01 But poor Zingas after the game kind of doubled down
01:18:04 on the JT love about doing all the little things
01:18:06 needed to win.
01:18:08 - JT, JB, like every, Drew, I've said it before.
01:18:12 He probably is the guy that's like sacrificed the most,
01:18:14 you know, for winning,
01:18:15 for like being on this type of level team.
01:18:18 But even JT, like he deserves a lot,
01:18:22 like a lot of credit because he could, you know, say,
01:18:25 F it, like I want to score 30 every night.
01:18:27 Like I want to get the MVP, like, you know,
01:18:30 but he's not doing that.
01:18:31 And I think people are like overlooking that
01:18:34 and you have to give him credit because when he does that,
01:18:37 it makes everybody else do that.
01:18:39 And then we're winning games
01:18:40 because everybody's feeling good.
01:18:41 Everybody's scoring, you know, we're all dangerous.
01:18:44 So I think there's,
01:18:48 he deserves a lot more credit than he's getting
01:18:50 and everybody has made a sacrifice.
01:18:54 And I think people from outside kind of see that,
01:18:56 but us as players, you know,
01:19:00 we know what we're doing and we know what the goal is.
01:19:02 So we were all putting our stuff to the side
01:19:06 for one bigger goal.
01:19:07 - F it.
01:19:10 - That's the stuff you want to hear.
01:19:16 And it makes it, you know,
01:19:18 what are you smiling about Bobby?
01:19:20 Uh-oh.
01:19:23 - Can you see Luke?
01:19:24 - Bobby, who's making eyes at you?
01:19:29 - The mice are out.
01:19:31 You know how it is here.
01:19:33 - Yeah.
01:19:35 And they're not mice.
01:19:37 - Yeah.
01:19:37 - You can tell yourself that, that makes you feel better.
01:19:41 - They're mutant rats.
01:19:44 - Yeah, I don't know how much longer
01:19:45 you're going to get from me.
01:19:46 (laughing)
01:19:49 - We're about to see the Mickey takeover.
01:19:53 The Mickey takeover.
01:19:54 - I want to see how high that voice gets.
01:19:57 - Yeah.
01:19:59 (screaming)
01:20:02 - I'm already getting there.
01:20:03 (laughing)
01:20:05 - I want full Tom and Jerry standing on the chair.
01:20:08 I want you to like just freaking out here.
01:20:11 - Manhattan Mickey.
01:20:12 Manhattan Mickey is ready to take over.
01:20:16 - They're so bold here too.
01:20:17 They're not afraid at all.
01:20:19 - Oh yeah.
01:20:20 You have some people feed them.
01:20:21 - Yeah.
01:20:23 - Yeah.
01:20:23 All right, we can wrap it up Bobby.
01:20:25 Any closing thoughts here?
01:20:27 - I'm just feeling great about where they're at.
01:20:32 And, you know, we talk about the rest,
01:20:35 getting guys integrated.
01:20:36 I know you were talking about that off the top here.
01:20:39 You do have to start to integrate Tillman
01:20:42 at some point here.
01:20:43 And I think the big thing that is going on there right now
01:20:47 is just preparing them.
01:20:52 You see them before the game,
01:20:55 like they were here three hours as I was John
01:20:57 working overtime.
01:20:59 - Who the rats were?
01:21:00 - No, Tillman and Springer.
01:21:03 - Oh, okay, okay.
01:21:03 - Like they are getting in extra work right now
01:21:05 trying to catch up.
01:21:06 And I think that's probably the biggest reason
01:21:07 you're not seeing them.
01:21:08 And Joe's talked about it is catching up to the system.
01:21:11 You know, I think for Tillman probably more defensively
01:21:14 and he's, you know, getting ready to post up too.
01:21:16 I think what she says has been the biggest difference here,
01:21:19 like getting ready to get into attacking those mismatches
01:21:22 as we said earlier, being a threat out there offensively,
01:21:24 which he really didn't have to do as much in Memphis.
01:21:26 And then for Springer,
01:21:28 I think there's a longer learning curve.
01:21:29 So, you know, for anyone who thought
01:21:31 he might sneak in this year,
01:21:32 probably not happening in his case.
01:21:35 I just don't know if there's enough time
01:21:36 and certainly a need for him.
01:21:39 Oh, good, the rat took off.
01:21:41 - Was it eye level?
01:21:45 - No, it just, it's on the ground,
01:21:49 but it just, you know, keeps getting closer and closer.
01:21:52 - Oh my God.
01:21:53 - Manhattan Mickey.
01:21:57 - I hate it here.
01:21:58 - Oh, I love it there.
01:22:00 - Oh, damn.
01:22:02 - I love MSG.
01:22:03 - Mike, you ain't right, Mike.
01:22:07 - Yeah, I love MSG.
01:22:08 Yeah, that's it.
01:22:10 We can wrap it, Bobby, for your safety.
01:22:13 And, you know, for Sherrod's, you know,
01:22:17 poor sleepy Sherrod trying to hold it down for us
01:22:20 while you're getting all the post-game comments.
01:22:22 And, oh, Bobby's ready to move.
01:22:24 - Yep. - Ready.
01:22:25 - Yeah, the second this ends, it's gonna be like.
01:22:28 - Out of here, yeah.
01:22:32 So yeah, we got a little break here, which is cool.
01:22:34 We're back on Tuesday night, back at the Garden.
01:22:39 A couple of fun games next week.
01:22:40 So that should be great.
01:22:42 We should have the whole gang back for that one.
01:22:45 But again, Celtics win 116-102.
01:22:49 They have a ridiculous, ridiculous lead
01:22:54 in the Eastern Conference.
01:22:57 Eight games up on the Cavs, nine games over the Bucs.
01:23:00 And as we said, this thing is over.
01:23:02 And as the Celtics kinda, you know,
01:23:05 are honestly playing out the string
01:23:07 with 25 games left to go, which is really banana land.
01:23:10 We are gonna wrap it up.
01:23:12 - Yeah, that's good advice.
01:23:16 - Who put that one up?
01:23:18 - No, that was me.
01:23:20 - Oh, that was you?
01:23:21 Oh, you have the access there?
01:23:22 - I think you should use Fox Bobby.
01:23:23 - That's funny, yeah.
01:23:25 We're gonna wrap it again.
01:23:26 Bobby's gotta get out of here.
01:23:27 We will see you guys in a couple of days.
01:23:32 Take care, everyone.
01:23:34 - Wait, Amit's got an outro for us, I think.
01:23:36 - No, he doesn't.
01:23:37 - You said he was gonna work on an outro.
01:23:39 - Man, he had a phenomenal game.
01:23:42 - Phenomenal.
01:23:43 - Poor Firdoud, I think it's an option.
01:23:47 (laughing)
01:23:50 - That did not sound like a chair.
01:23:52 - It was a freaking chair.
01:23:54 It does sound like a chair.
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