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Pat and Matt discuss some draft targets for the Patriots in this year's draft, react to the CFP games on Monday, and take also preview the final game of the year against the Jets

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00:00:00 You're listening to the Patreon Nation podcast.
00:00:07 All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriot Nation podcast brought to you
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00:00:44 sports wagering partner. It's your boy Pat, as always with my guy Matt, who you can hear him in
00:00:50 New York City. The cops are flying around out there. So you want to know what's going on up
00:00:55 here Pat? I got the notification about it earlier. There's some movie set or TV set or something
00:01:02 that's a couple blocks down from me and they had an explosion tonight, like a pre-planned one.
00:01:07 That's so cool. It was loud earlier. I forgot to warn my girlfriend and she was like, "Hey,
00:01:12 what was that? Did you hear that?" I was like, "Oh yeah, that was an explosion,
00:01:16 but it was intentional." I'm a fan of that. I'm a fan of that. I like that.
00:01:20 So hopefully the screens are not related to that.
00:01:23 Yes, let's hope that would be bad. So here we are, last week of the season.
00:01:31 Man, it's been a long year. It's been a long year. A lot of questions about Bill Belichick
00:01:36 that we're not going to really answer any of those questions tonight. We'll talk about it a little
00:01:41 bit. We've done a whole song and dance for three, four months now. We've done it for too long and
00:01:47 we're getting sick of gold at this point. You hear all the guys and by the way, there was a lot of
00:01:52 poo-pooing of Phil Perry on Twitter this week. I'm like, "Shut your mouth about Phil Perry."
00:01:58 The mayor.
00:01:59 No, he's fantastic and I don't care what anyone else says. Some of the other people that were
00:02:05 talking on CBS Sports Boston, maybe not, but nevertheless. Here's the thing. No one knows
00:02:12 anything. Nobody knows. Maybe he's done, maybe he's not. Maybe the Crafts are done with him,
00:02:17 maybe they're not. Maybe he wants to come back, maybe he wants to go somewhere. No one knows.
00:02:20 Bill's certainly not going to tell anyone. He's usually going to... I love how he said,
00:02:25 "I'm not going to announce anything. If I announce anything, I'll announce it on Twitter or
00:02:28 MySpace or whatever." My face is his favorite.
00:02:33 I love it. It's just so good. But that's his attitude. That's the way he's always been.
00:02:38 That's the way he's always going to be. He's never going to tell you what he's doing.
00:02:41 Him and Robert, and I assume Jonathan will sit down and they'll talk about it and they'll come
00:02:50 to a decision. I know it's one of those hard things, man, because you don't want to see...
00:02:58 You get to this point where you have to actually pull the trigger and you get a little gun shy.
00:03:04 People have been talking about it all year. "We want Belichick gone. He's got to go. He's
00:03:07 got to go." And now all of a sudden you see it turning a little bit. "Wait a second. It looks
00:03:11 pretty good." It's hard to pull that plug. It's really hard. I don't know if Robert Craft will
00:03:17 do it eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if he did. The only thing that would surprise me is if
00:03:23 Bill Belichick came back and still has 100% full control over the GM duties. That would surprise me.
00:03:30 Outside of that, nothing else would surprise me.
00:03:33 I think there's good arguments for a lot of things here too. We may not know the full picture,
00:03:41 but we're going to have an idea a week from now, less than a week from now. We're coming right up
00:03:46 on it. So speculation at this point I feel like is kind of useless. We're so close to finding out.
00:03:51 Just wait five days before Black Monday.
00:03:54 And what I will say is the weather forecast for Sunday is calling for snow. They're playing the
00:04:02 Jets at home. And if this is Bill's last game as head coach of the New England Patriots, I don't
00:04:08 think there's a better way to go out than by beating the Jets at home in the snow.
00:04:14 Like that. I mean, that'd be a nice if that's how it ends up going out. That's as nice a way to put
00:04:19 a bow on it, I think, as you can get in a season that's gone this poorly. 100%. And you might drop
00:04:24 from three to five if that's the case. So be it. So be it. Three to five. It's not the end of the
00:04:29 world. Or four. Theoretically, you can get two. But I don't know. I think that two is difficult.
00:04:34 Yeah, we can get into the tiebreakers. But I think with where we are and the way the draft is,
00:04:39 I'm just going to root for the Pats and let the chips fall where they may at this point.
00:04:45 It's one game for the Pats. There's a lot of moving pieces here. A lot of things up in the air.
00:04:49 Jerrick Rill asked, I think is a good question. How soon do you guys think decisions will be
00:04:55 made after the game? I think that if Bill is going to be fired, straight up fired,
00:05:02 we will find out within the first two or three days. I don't think it'll take that long.
00:05:06 Right. I also don't think that's what happens.
00:05:10 Because I think he has enough value left that they would trade him. I assume they'd be able
00:05:17 to work out a deal like that. And if that's the case, I think we will probably know enough to
00:05:23 know that he's gone and will be traded. But we might not have a destination. It might not be
00:05:31 official yet. He's going to be back. If there's silence, then that means, you know, I feel like
00:05:37 that means he's coming back. But also, I think the thing that makes this a little bit both more
00:05:44 complicated in some ways, but also simpler for the team, that I think they feel like they have
00:05:49 the next guy in house in Gerard Mayo, so they can take their time a little bit more. If their next
00:05:57 hire is a guy inside the building, they don't have to fire Bill Belichick on Monday so that they can
00:06:01 get into the head coaching search on Tuesday. They don't have to do that. So we'll see how it goes.
00:06:07 But I think we'll get whispers and rumors, you know, the direction quickly. Actual answers
00:06:12 probably take a little bit of time. Yeah, I agree. I can't imagine him getting fired. I mean,
00:06:16 that would be the one shocking thing to me. For them to just outright fire him, there's no way
00:06:22 that a team, I don't care what team it is, wouldn't step in and say, we'll send you a
00:06:29 third round pick. We'll send you a what, whatever the case may be. And I think the only way you're
00:06:36 straight up firing him here is if the teams that he would want to go to are teams that are unwilling
00:06:41 to trade for him. So let's say the only teams that are willing to trade for him are Washington
00:06:45 and Carolina, and he doesn't want to go to either of those spots. I mean, you see what's going on
00:06:49 in Carolina, you say, I don't know who would want to go there. Correct. He's like, I'm not going to
00:06:53 coach in either of those spots. And the only other team left is the Chargers, and that's where he
00:06:57 wants to go or whatever it ends up being. Then maybe you see him being fired or let go from his
00:07:05 contract. There'll be a mutual parting of ways would be how it's phrased. I don't think there's
00:07:10 a world where Black Monday comes and Kraft puts out a two sentence statement saying, thanks,
00:07:15 Bill, you're gone. There's that happening. Yeah, no, no way. Because he'd lose, he's all about the
00:07:22 PR as well. And so I feel like he might be in a situation where if he can't find a trading partner
00:07:27 for Bill, that he might just say, screw it, I'm running with him again. You know what I mean?
00:07:32 I think he would rather keep him than fire him if he can, if he can send them off to where he wants
00:07:37 to go, whether whoever that might be. That's a different story, but I can't imagine him sticking
00:07:43 around firing him. Yeah. And, you know, it's I think the only the only real credible reporting
00:07:50 we've gotten on this was the Ian Rapoport stuff where he was talking about how Kraft wants to
00:07:55 make sure that this is handled with class no matter what happens. Right. And yeah, I think
00:08:01 that's that's fully back set up. But even I still remember after the Pats Titans game, how it kind
00:08:09 of felt like I thought was it for Brady? You could just kind of tell that was it based on the vibe
00:08:13 and the way things were handled. And I think if Bill's going to be gone, it'll be kind of obvious
00:08:17 on that front. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So so we'll see. We'll see. And, you know, and I think and
00:08:24 again, I understand we all want to lose for the number for the number to pick. Right. Number one's
00:08:29 been clinched by Chicago. We'd all love to get that number to pick. I don't blame you for feeling
00:08:34 that way. And again, I think what's hard is that some people look at it and say, well, if you want
00:08:41 the Patriots to lose, you're not a Patriots fan. And that's just that's foolish, like these people
00:08:46 that are rooting for the Patriots to lose are rooting for the Patriots to lose because they
00:08:49 want a better draft pick. And that makes perfect sense. But again, you're talking about I think
00:08:56 it's unrealistic that they get to two. It's possible, but they need a lot of things to go
00:09:01 right for that to happen. I think Atlanta beating New Orleans is just I don't think it's going to
00:09:06 happen good, but I don't think it's going to happen. And so and then if that happens, you
00:09:11 still need two other games to go to your way. If that doesn't happen, you need all four of the
00:09:15 games. It's like it just seems unrealistic. Now, you know, if some of the games had broken your
00:09:21 way last week, I think you'd have a better chance at it. So you're talking about realistically
00:09:26 dropping from three to five. And that's probably probably for I went through playing with it,
00:09:33 and I feel like there's a decent chance they just kind of end up at four.
00:09:35 Well, the Chargers, the Chargers right now, so the Chargers have the same record as them,
00:09:40 but a worse strength of schedule. I was playing around with the simulator earlier, and I put in
00:09:46 what my predictions for the games would have been and I had the Pats ending up at the fourth pick.
00:09:51 Yeah. And so and so that's the thing is that even if they win, they still might. So you're
00:09:55 talking about winning the last game, theoretically, if it's Belichick's last game as a patriot,
00:09:59 winning the last game in a snow game against the Jets at home and dropping from pick three to four.
00:10:07 That's that's that's really not that's not a big deal, right? Dropping from three to four.
00:10:13 Yeah, especially because if you were going to be at three regardless,
00:10:16 getting one of those top two quarterbacks, you have to trade up for.
00:10:20 And I think a team of three in this scenario might be Arizona that comes back ahead of you
00:10:25 or something. I don't remember who it would be, but if that's who it is, I don't think they're
00:10:31 taking the quarterback. They're probably taking Marvin Harrison Jr. And like it kind of stinks
00:10:35 that you might not get the top receiver. But there are there are at least three receivers in this
00:10:40 class, so I think would be the wide receiver one in almost any other class. So for as good as it's
00:10:46 funny to say that you I don't not worried about missing out on Marvin Harrison Jr., but I'm really
00:10:50 not. That's how good these guys are. Well, that's what's crazy, right? I think we found more
00:10:54 Merv's burner, by the way. He said Joe, Joe, all at six, eight. He's been banging the drill
00:10:59 all drunk for quite a while. This is going to be the whole theme of the draft to what this team
00:11:04 means. Quarterback wide receiver, left tackle all three things like the order of need, I think,
00:11:10 on those for the Patriots is QB wide receiver and left tackle. But the quality of the prospects
00:11:16 where they pick might be tackle wide receiver QB. And it's just, you know, how do you
00:11:22 how do you balance that? Well, that's the hard part. And the other thing you think about is this
00:11:26 the Bears have the number one pick. It sounds like it sounds like the Bears are sticking with
00:11:32 Justin Fields. Arizona most likely if you win, Arizona most likely is going to jump you.
00:11:39 They get to three probably. If that's the case, Jonathan Gannon came out and said,
00:11:45 we are sticking with Kyler Murray. Now he probably will take Marvin Harrison Jr. or
00:11:49 will want to take Marvin Harrison Jr. But that's another opportunity where you're talking about
00:11:55 the number one and the number three pick. If you're at four, the number one and the number
00:11:59 three pick might be looking to move back. And the number three pick, if let's just say,
00:12:05 hypothetically, let's just say that, you know, whatever. Both quarterbacks don't go one,
00:12:12 two. I think I think that's going to happen. I think the commanders are going to take a
00:12:14 quarterback at two most likely. And I think that whoever trades up with the Bears is going to take
00:12:19 a quarterback number number one, unless the Bears stick there and take Marvin Harrison Jr.
00:12:23 I don't know. Right. I think I still think the Bears stay until your quarterback.
00:12:28 Which they might. Which they might. It sounds like they're sticking with Fields. But either way,
00:12:33 let's just say that one of those quarterbacks is still on the board at three. Arizona is not
00:12:37 taking them. They know you want them. So you give them something to move up from four to three. It's
00:12:42 not the end of the world. They move back and draft the guy they're going to draft at three anyways
00:12:47 and pick up extra, pick up extra, you know, draft capital and get them for cheaper than they would
00:12:52 have gotten number three. So like it's it's a no brainer move for Arizona. They get the guy they
00:12:57 want and they pick up extra draft capital and then you draft the guy that you want at three.
00:13:02 Now again, that means that one of the top two teams aren't taking a quarterback, but
00:13:06 we'll see what happens. The other option is Michael Penix Jr. is there. He's not going in the top five.
00:13:12 What if you might? He might. He might. He might. You're right about that.
00:13:19 Because this is the thing. The issue is there's two issues with Penix. It's, you know, what he
00:13:22 does against certain defenses and what his medicals are going to be. And if his medicals check out of
00:13:26 the combine and there's no issues there and he does to Texas. Sorry, he does to Michigan next
00:13:30 Monday what he just did to Texas. Yeah, he's not making it out of the top 15 of that draft.
00:13:35 There's just no way. Which is true. Yeah. And yeah, so that makes it makes it tough. The other
00:13:40 thing here, I just I saw I saw a Green Bay or Chicago guy talking about this, but the whole
00:13:45 fields thing, the Bears play the Packers this week. The Packers need to win to get into the playoffs.
00:13:51 Yeah. Packers have an awful defense. If Justin Fields goes in there and tears that defense apart,
00:13:57 which isn't that crazy because it's an awful defense, Bryce Young tore it apart
00:14:01 and knocks the Packers out of the playoffs. Emotionally, it might be hard for them to move on.
00:14:07 And if there's a world here where the Patriots are at four, but the Bears stick with fields
00:14:13 and the Cardinals are ahead of them and they stick with Kyler Murray. Yeah. And they might just stick
00:14:19 there and take somebody and not trade back. Then you're just worried about who the commanders take.
00:14:25 And if you're worried about who they take, you can jump up to one and try to jump them for
00:14:30 something. It'll be expensive, obviously. But if you like one of the top two guys enough.
00:14:35 And I know I've been a may hater on here for a while now, and I finally come around on him.
00:14:41 I've watched a lot of his tape recently while figuring this out and like, yeah, taking taking
00:14:46 some of the context into account to the UNC coaches are not any good. And that's one of
00:14:50 the reasons I think you saw some of the issues that he dealt with. But he is he does all the
00:14:55 things Caleb Williams does when it comes to like creativity. But he's a bigger body and he turns
00:14:59 the ball over less. He's got some issues like he's not perfect or anything. He's not he's not like
00:15:05 the generational prospect, but he's a guy who really could go number one in this draft if
00:15:10 that's the way you want to go. Right. I also I don't know, man, I'm I'm really.
00:15:18 I really think for me. That when you look at what the Patriots have.
00:15:24 Well, they're at five and I'm curious about these quarterback. I mean, listen, everyone
00:15:29 goes nuts about quarterbacks, but how far is Jayden Daly's going to go up or how far is
00:15:34 Jayden Daly's going to fall? Right. I know Lamar's in the league now. Right. But like.
00:15:38 To people, are people going to buy into Jayden Daniels? Are people going to buy into Michael
00:15:43 Pennix? Are people going to buy into even Drake May? Right. Are you going to look at the uniform
00:15:48 and think, man, they put against some bad defenses and yeah, he's got a good arm and he's good under
00:15:52 pressure and he makes good throws, but like can really trust him to be the guy. Right.
00:15:57 Even Caleb Williams, who has the, you know, character concerns about, you know, well,
00:16:02 he cares too much and he's crying. He paints his nails. It's like, shut up. But whatever. Right.
00:16:07 Let's just say let's just say that like something crazy happens and some of those guys drop
00:16:12 and you move back in the first round. You could still move back to nine and draft one of those
00:16:20 guys. You just need one of them to drop. You don't need all of them to drop. You just need
00:16:23 one of those guys to drop. And if you're sold on a guy like Jayden Daniels and you know the guys
00:16:28 in front of you aren't taking them, you drop to nine, pick up some extra draft capital and draft
00:16:32 them at nine. I don't know what's going to happen, but I just think it's one of those things. We just
00:16:38 don't know how it's going to play out. I do know the only team recently, like the last decade,
00:16:43 this is actually just a little bit over a decade now that has traded back in the first round and
00:16:47 taken a quarterback was the bills in 2013 with EJ manual. Yeah, no, not ideal. Yeah.
00:16:52 They traded back quite a bit and still picked him up. So I think, I think these QBs are going to be
00:16:57 in high demand. I think if you, you know, the Patriots and you like a quarterback enough to
00:17:00 think they're a franchise guy, you don't overcomplicate it. If they're there, when you're
00:17:03 on the board, you take them. And if you think they're going to go before you're on the board,
00:17:08 you explore trading up and see what you can do. Right. And see. Yeah. I mean, I also think too,
00:17:14 like, yeah, was it 2021 was the first time that four quarterbacks had been taken. Was it four,
00:17:20 five quarterbacks got taken in the first, in the first 15, right? Yeah. I think in the top 10
00:17:26 because fields was three, three in the top three, the first three picks or quarterback.
00:17:30 That's usually pretty rare. So I'm, I'm curious to see how this quarterback class gets evaluated
00:17:35 to, because I think outside of may and Williams, there's a lot of eye of the beholder stuff.
00:17:40 Jaden Daniels. We saw what he did this season. There are real question marks there. His production
00:17:46 was awesome. I think there are injury concerns there. He doesn't protect his body. There's
00:17:49 concerns about how he's going to do with the worst supporting cast. Michael panics, obviously the
00:17:55 injury concerns and let's see how he looks in his next game. JJ McCarthy, while we're talking about
00:18:01 the next game in the college football playoffs, I thought played very well against Alabama is still
00:18:05 very much a project type quarterback who you probably want to sit for a year before he's
00:18:11 going to be starting for you. Yeah. Is somebody going to take a chance on that in round one,
00:18:15 or is that going to drop until round two? And, you know, Bo Nix enters this conversation. I
00:18:21 don't think he's around one guy, but all it takes is one team out there liking him enough to say,
00:18:26 Hey, we want to grab him at 31 or, or wherever it ends up being because, you know, he's got some
00:18:31 high level traits and he's accurate. He doesn't turn the ball over. He's good in the pocket.
00:18:35 And he's got, who's going to the senior bowl now, which I'm really curious to see how he looks in
00:18:39 that environment with very different offense. That that could be, that could be telling. And
00:18:43 I think, I don't think we, I think we probably end up seeing four quarterbacks taken in the first
00:18:48 round, but which four and the actual order of them. I have no idea. Well, that's the thing.
00:18:54 And look, things change so dramatically, which is why it's funny doing. It's funny looking back
00:19:00 at some of the mock drafts that you had. I think it was either my first or second month after the
00:19:06 off season, maybe my second month after the off season, I had the Patriots taking Darnell right
00:19:10 at like 45, right. And he goes number nine overall, because, you know, at that point he hadn't shot up
00:19:16 the draft boards. Right. And then he goes to the combine and everyone's looking at him like, oh my
00:19:20 God, this guy's a beast. And he gets taken number nine by the bears. Right. And so, and it's played
00:19:23 pretty well as rookie year. So, you know, you just never know how things are going to play out.
00:19:28 And especially now when you're going through the rankings, it's just like, we don't know,
00:19:32 we haven't seen them. Then some guy goes to the combine and doesn't run well when he, and his
00:19:36 stock drops, runs well and his stock goes up. You don't think it's just, you don't know what's going
00:19:39 to happen. And I can pretty much guarantee at this point in the process that if there's a guy you
00:19:44 like who's sitting there at pick 34 or whatever in your mock draft, so you're taking, he's probably
00:19:50 not going to be there when the actual draft comes around. Usually this is where the people start
00:19:54 catching up on who those guys who were sneaking around are, and they ended up going way higher
00:19:57 than you think. Right. I just did a mock draft. I want to talk about the mock draft in a minute,
00:20:03 but the mock draft I did, I took Jatavian Sanders at 68, the tight end from Texas.
00:20:08 There's no chance he's going to be available at 68. I mean, Luke Schumacher just got taken at like
00:20:13 45. There's no way he's, he's the type of guy too. He's either going in like the thirties or
00:20:18 forties or he's going to drop into like the eighties or nineties. And it's all going to
00:20:22 be dependent on what his testing is. Cause he's like a little bit of a unique player out there.
00:20:26 Yeah. But so yeah, he is. Yeah. It just as a general statement for your mock drafts. And this
00:20:32 is a lesson I've learned the hard way time and time and time again, if you're counting on somebody
00:20:36 being there at a spot, you think he's a steal at that spot. He's probably not, probably not going
00:20:40 to end up being there on the draft evaluators are probably smarter than whatever the board is on the
00:20:45 mock draft machine you're using. Yeah, exactly. So Danny, Danny Stanford says that saw someone
00:20:51 do the probability of which pick will have, if they win 54% chance for pick number four,
00:20:56 30% chance for pick number three, and then 10% chance for pick number five. So I'm not sure what
00:21:03 happened to the other 6% there, but you know, it's around there somewhere I'm sure. Yeah.
00:21:07 But maybe 6% 7, I think they can technically still get, we're, we're rooting for, yeah.
00:21:13 We're rooting for the NFC East home teams this weekend too, because you know, Washington win
00:21:19 helps you out a ton when it comes to this. And also an Eagles win will certainly on the
00:21:26 Eagles when the giants win, we'll push them back and over the Eagles and mean that we,
00:21:31 they can't beat us in a tiebreaker. That Eagles team does not look great on the field or off the
00:21:38 field right now. And you sure don't. But yeah, but wait till we get to pop, wait till we get
00:21:43 the pop bets. And I got, I got some boy on that one. So should we go for the actual tiebreakers
00:21:49 that the Patriots need with the commanders to like do the rooting interests? We can't. Yeah.
00:21:55 Yeah. Let's do that because it's, it is kind of convoluted a little bit, but just so everyone
00:21:59 knows. Yeah. You want to go through it? Yeah. So the, basically the big game is Falcon Saints
00:22:07 because the Patriots played the Saints and the commanders played the Falcons, right? So it
00:22:14 counts as a accounts in both directions for string of the schedule. So if the Falcons win,
00:22:19 that helps out the Patriots and your, your two wins in the correct direction. There are four
00:22:25 remaining games of interest, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Houston, Indianapolis, Chicago,
00:22:30 green Bay, Denver, Las Vegas, Patriots would want Baltimore, Houston, Chicago, and Denver in those
00:22:37 games. If Atlanta wins, Patriots would need just two of those to go in their favor to win a tie
00:22:43 breaker over the, uh, over Washington. If the Saints win, Patriots need all four of those games
00:22:51 to go in their favor to win that tie breaker. That's, that's what it's going to come down to.
00:22:55 And it's not, it's not crazy. It's just, you know, you look at it. I think that I think Houston
00:23:01 beating Indy. I like the odds of that one. Yeah. Baltimore beating Pittsburgh, even with backups.
00:23:06 I feel like I like the odds of that one happening. Paris green Bay on the road is tough.
00:23:13 Denver at Vegas, you know, those teams aren't playing for anything. Who knows what's going
00:23:18 to happen. I have no idea what's going to happen in that game. And I, I like the odds of two or
00:23:22 three of those going in new England's favor. I don't like the odds of all four. So we're really,
00:23:27 if you want the number two pick Poland for Poland for Atlanta. And in some ways, the best case
00:23:34 scenario here is the Patriots win and the commanders win and you get the tie breakers
00:23:40 in your favor and you can win this game and still get the number two overall pick. Of course. I mean,
00:23:44 obviously that's the case, you know, if, but then in that case, you're going to need Arizona to win
00:23:48 two to get the number two pick, right? Yeah. Cause Arizona has the same record as you right now.
00:23:53 Is that where it would be? Cause their strength schedule is there's some schedules so high
00:23:58 that there's no way that they can, that they can win a tie breaker or anything like that,
00:24:03 but they have the same record as you. So you need Arizona look, even if we end up at three,
00:24:07 wherever we end up, the fact is, is that it's going to be, it's going to be a really interesting
00:24:12 look. Now the Eagles losing to the giants would be insane. I don't know if that's going to happen.
00:24:18 It'd be crazy, but that'd be wild to me. Um, Chicago thing. I don't put, I don't put that
00:24:24 outside the realm of possibility for Chicago to win. That'd be a lot of fun. I'd be rude.
00:24:27 That's that's the only reason why you're not wrong. I just think, I think that would be a
00:24:32 lot of fun. Um, and the other ones you're right. Like I can easily see Houston winning,
00:24:38 right? I can easily see Denver winning cause why not? Right? Like who knows?
00:24:43 So you never know. I think those are both the better, the better teams in those matchups.
00:24:50 It's just, you know, Denver Vegas kind of feels like, um, you know, a coin flip because neither
00:24:56 he was playing for anything and Baltimore is way better than Pittsburgh, but they're not playing
00:25:00 for anything in Pittsburgh is. So that feels kind of like a coin flip about how it's actually going
00:25:04 to go. And, um, so my, the only thing about the Denver Vegas game that scares me, if I'm,
00:25:10 if I'm rooting for Denver is that Antonio Pierce is there is their interim head coach.
00:25:15 They like them a lot. The guys like them, the guys want them to stick around
00:25:18 and, uh, you know, Mark Davis is kind of like, Oh yeah, you know, things are, you know, he hasn't
00:25:24 really said anything, right. But they, Oh, things are going good in this net.
00:25:27 They want to win that game for him because if you lose that game now, again, it's not the
00:25:33 end of the world. It's not going to get fired because you lose a game. But if you win that
00:25:38 game, you have an opportunity to win that game and say to the owner, Hey, look, I don't care
00:25:44 what the, it doesn't matter what the record is. I understand Denver is playing a backup quarterback.
00:25:47 We're at home. We're winning the last game of the season. I mean, we want the coach back.
00:25:52 Right. And there's, so to me, there's a lot of motivation from Vegas where there's almost no
00:25:58 motivation from Denver. Cause they're looking at like, dude, screw you, man. Like you benched.
00:26:02 Now they won last week because they, cause they played a terrible team, but like,
00:26:05 you know, you, you win, who knows, you know what I mean? Yeah. So the other thing here is that,
00:26:12 you know, the Patriots, you're asking for road teams to win here or, you know, three or four
00:26:18 road team, all of the five games that mattered at the Patriots, they want the road team in four of
00:26:23 them. And the only one they don't want the road team in is Baltimore Pittsburgh. So I think,
00:26:29 I think we should get, start to get comfortable with the idea that if we want a top two QB,
00:26:34 it's probably going to have to come by trading up in the draft. That's I would think so. Yeah.
00:26:38 Unless we get really lucky. That's, that's I think where we are at this point. Yeah.
00:26:44 That's the other thing is that I like, I like some of the depth in this draft.
00:26:49 Like I was, I was impressed by both winning quarterbacks in the college football playoff.
00:26:54 I have been a little bit of a doubter on Michael Pennix only because, you know, I worry about how
00:27:00 high his ceiling is, but I think we saw him look excellent and he's going to get to play a Michigan
00:27:04 defense here. That is very complex and is probably the closest, one of the closest things to an NFL
00:27:11 defense that exists at the college level schematically. And, you know, his anticipation
00:27:16 is probably his biggest on field weakness. We're going to find out about it this week with a team
00:27:22 that will confuse the heck out of them. And JJ McCarthy is a guy who I think is very young and
00:27:26 raw still, and he made mistakes, but overall did pretty well against Alabama. And it's going to be
00:27:33 another big stage for him. And he's a guy, you know, you're, you're betting on traits there.
00:27:37 It's a small sample size for him. He doesn't get asked to do a lot in that offense, but he's a
00:27:41 highly recruited guy. He's got a fantastic attitude. He's very bought in and incredibly coachable.
00:27:47 That's one of the things I've always noticed about him is he's, you know, he very humble guy,
00:27:52 very willing to do whatever he's asked to do on a football field. And, you know, we'll see what
00:27:57 the scheme ends up being, but he might get asked to throw against Washington's defense on Monday
00:28:01 night, and we're going to get to find out more about how he looks. So then we'll start to get
00:28:06 a better idea. But if those are two options here on the table for the Patriots, I think I could be
00:28:11 okay with either one of them situation dependent. Agreed. I like it. All right. We're going to get
00:28:15 to a break, but before we do, before we do, we're going to be doing a lot of draft talk.
00:28:21 We're going to be doing a lot of mock draft talk. Those of you that don't know me and aren't
00:28:27 familiar with my game, I pick one prospect every year and I declare them as my guy before the
00:28:34 season. Now that I've done this two years in a row, I did it almost did it the year before,
00:28:40 and I didn't quite do it. But Nick Bolton was my guy three years ago, who's an all pro linebacker
00:28:46 for the, for the chiefs. Now freaking love Nick Bolton so much from Missouri. He was so good.
00:28:52 My guy two years ago was Marcus Jones guy. You may have heard of possibly you might've heard
00:28:57 of that guy. I actually watched his punt return earlier today. Oh God. It's so good. Oh man,
00:29:03 he was incredible. So Marcus is my guy last year. My guy this year or 2023 was Emmanuel Forbes,
00:29:11 who I assumed was getting taken in the middle of the second round. He went 16 overall to Washington.
00:29:17 He said an up and down rookie year. He struggled a little bit. Hasn't been as great, but like
00:29:23 the coach over there is terrible. So like, we'll see what happens when he gets an actual,
00:29:26 when he gets an actual guy and I do love short Kings. It is true, Ryan. So
00:29:30 I'm not announcing anything just yet, but I will tell you right now, a guy on my radar
00:29:35 that, that I'm like focusing in on, I haven't looked at enough guys to, to officially make him
00:29:40 my guy yet, but I'll tell you what, man, it's going to be really difficult for someone to come
00:29:44 in and overtake this guy. And the March effort did on PFN the other day, I got him at one 43.
00:29:52 There is a zero, 0% chance that this guy's going one 43, but I'll just tell you right now,
00:29:58 the guy that I, that might end up being my guy is a wide receiver from the university of Arizona.
00:30:06 Jacob Cowan, this dude, man. So he's highlights the tape yet, but he's got some stuff on tape
00:30:16 that makes you really pause and say, Ooh, who is this guy? He's got, he's got incredible speed,
00:30:22 but the route running ability, like you don't see, and he's a guy that was at UTEP and transferred
00:30:29 to Arizona this year. We only played one year in Arizona. And by the way, he's a captain in
00:30:33 Arizona this year, or maybe he played two years at Arizona. He's a way to Arizona.
00:30:37 I can't, he's played two years at Arizona. Sorry. So, but he was the offensive MVP of the
00:30:45 Alamo bowl, um, last year, 2023, or maybe it was this year, 2023 Alamo bowl. Um, yeah, it was this
00:30:52 year, the Alamo bowl. Uh, and he was incredible and put on a show in this Oklahoma. Now again,
00:30:58 how many guys opted out of Oklahoma? What it was the, I didn't watch the game to be honest with
00:31:01 you, but just watching the highlights of this guy, he's got speed. He's an actual route runner.
00:31:09 Like take one. Thornton's got a ton of speed. That's great. He's not like, don't get me wrong.
00:31:13 Jacob Cowan's on Taekwon Thornton speed wise, but he's fast, but he's like an actual route runner,
00:31:19 like a polished route runner. And that's the kind of guy that you want. So anyways, he's not a
00:31:25 hundred percent my guy. I'm not, I'm not well-versed enough yet. I haven't gotten deep enough. Cause I
00:31:31 gotta get deep into, into the draft guys before I do that. Um, but you're good, but he's I'm
00:31:38 closing in on him being my guy because he is, uh, he's a lot of fun to watch.
00:31:43 Yeah, no, I like him. Um, I have another wide receiver name. I'm going to throw out that I
00:31:49 think I fall in the same category that you'll have to watch, but I did see Danny Stanford in the,
00:31:53 the chat here at the Blake Corum love the Michigan running back. I loved him. I don't know if he,
00:31:59 and I put it this way, if you're looking for a Zeke replacement on this team, Blake Corum is
00:32:03 probably your guy. He does not, I mean, he just doesn't, he's really been running into the ground
00:32:08 at Michigan. I don't know how much a juice he has left, but he's rock solid as a runner, hard to
00:32:13 bring down superb vision really quick. Um, he makes decisions quickly and his body allows him to
00:32:20 actually follow through on making those decisions and getting to the spots he gets to. Uh, and I,
00:32:26 I just, he's a really, really dependable player. And then I was going to mention,
00:32:30 so wide receiver from Virginia spent four years at Northwestern transferred to Virginia, Malik,
00:32:34 Washington. He never put up more than 700 yards in four years at Northwestern comes to Virginia,
00:32:41 1400 receiving yards. It's like five foot, 990 pounds, small guy. It's almost all after the
00:32:48 catch. He's just a really good app run after the catch type guy. And you know, that's a,
00:32:53 he's a day three type wide receiver prospect, but those are the type of guys where if you hit on
00:32:57 somebody like that, he's your rotational receiver for you, but a gadget guy and a guy who can help
00:33:02 you out in a bunch of ways and just helps you win. He's not, he's a complimentary piece for you,
00:33:06 but I think he can be a really, really good complimentary piece. Yeah, exactly. Yep. That's
00:33:11 a great point. That's a great point, by the way, just so, just so we're clear on the, my guy,
00:33:14 I know, you know, Matt, but people listening in the chat that have that don't know, I'm trying
00:33:18 to pick a, a day two guy is what I'm looking, what I'm looking for, right. Is a guy that's
00:33:22 being drafted in the second or third round, maybe even the fourth round that, you know,
00:33:27 is going to surprise people and play better than, than they think. Right. And so, you know, that,
00:33:32 that's what I'm looking for. That's why I was really surprised. As a matter of fact, it's funny.
00:33:35 I almost made Donna write my guy last year and I was like, and he's going to sneak into the first
00:33:39 round. So I didn't take him and I took Forbes instead and he went seven picks later. So,
00:33:43 so like, you know, but that's the way it goes sometimes. But dude, it's so funny. Cause you
00:33:48 look at this PFN mock draft and you mentioned you mentioned Blake Coram, the March F I did,
00:33:54 I made a few trades just like here and there. Drake may Ladd, McConkie, Jatavian Sanders.
00:34:00 Hold on. J J Jatavian Sanders, Blake Coram, Jordan Birch, Jacob Cowling, Christian Mahogany
00:34:11 and Tyler Davis from Clemson. If that happened, Patriots are in the playoff section.
00:34:17 What the hell? And of course it's never going to play out like that. Those guys
00:34:21 aren't going to be available. Like Blake Coram, 112. I can see for Blake Coram, but like,
00:34:25 you know, Jacob Cowling is not going to be there at one 43 Christian Mahogany probably is going to
00:34:30 go a lot earlier than one 64. Right. And Tyler Davis is a guy that, you know, I mean, he had
00:34:35 D tackle, like who knows where they're going to end up, but like, those are good players
00:34:39 that play the interior of the offensive and defensive line that are just down the list
00:34:43 because they're interior offensive and defensive line players and it's early in the, in the off
00:34:47 season. So, but you know, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm also, I think we're going to learn a little bit
00:34:54 about this draft and we hit free agency too, because how teams operate in free agency tells
00:34:59 us how they view depth at certain positions and how aggressively they want to pursue stuff.
00:35:03 And, you know, Patriots team would see right now is not going to be the one going into the draft.
00:35:07 They will have figured out their coach and GM situation and sign people in free agency and
00:35:12 talking about the quarterback situation right now, think about and sign Kirk cousins on day
00:35:16 one of free agency that we're going to go into the draft with a totally different feeling
00:35:19 than we have right now. And I'll tell you what, like I, if we, if we think this team can win on
00:35:26 a short window with the defense incur cousins, you sign a Kirk cousins, go draft to tackle at
00:35:31 the top of the draft, you know, take receivers in rounds two, three, and four, and see what happens.
00:35:37 I'm, you know, see if you can throw around money to get on Mike Evans or whatever in there.
00:35:41 Um, we'll see how much money they actually have when it's all said and done, but I can see that
00:35:45 working out. Um, so, you know, we'll, we'll see what happens. That's, Oh man. I it's, it's who
00:35:53 they pick at the top is going to be so stressful here because you just don't want to get it wrong.
00:35:57 There's so much pressure to not mess it up because there's so much.
00:36:00 That's the key. And honestly, you just, you look at it and just think, look at all the mistakes
00:36:07 that teams have made and the bad teams, the teams that were bad forever, the Browns and the jets and
00:36:13 the Jaguars. And the, what happens, the reason why is because those guys messed up those early
00:36:22 draft picks, right? You can't miss on those early draft picks, the Redskins and now the commanders.
00:36:26 Right. But like you just, they kept missing over and over and over and over and over again,
00:36:32 and that just can't happen. Right. And so it just kind of like, even like, um,
00:36:38 who, who was the RG three J was that, um, was that LA got like a million picks and they traded,
00:36:45 they were like drafted all offensive linemen. And it was like, fine. Like they were good,
00:36:50 but like, they didn't hit on like three quarters of those picks. And it was just like, well,
00:36:53 what the hell, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And you know, you gotta, if you're going to,
00:36:57 I don't mind being aggressive in the draft or trading back in the draft,
00:37:00 you just gotta get the evaluations, right. To go with it. Right. Right. And honestly,
00:37:03 it's, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where you're drafting,
00:37:06 right? If you draft the wrong guy, it makes no difference. You can draft the wrong guy at one,
00:37:10 you can draft the wrong guy at 25. It makes no difference. But if you draft the right guy,
00:37:16 it doesn't matter where you draft them from right now, obviously the higher your pick is
00:37:20 the better chance you have of getting it right, because you can draft the guy that you want,
00:37:23 but that doesn't necessarily guarantee you're going to get it right either. So, um, it's just
00:37:28 about doing the evaluation and hitting it. No, you talked about getting the guy right at the top
00:37:32 of the draft to this is I texted you this earlier this week, cause I was looking through past
00:37:38 Pat's first rounders. Yeah. There's only one Patriots first round pick in the last decade
00:37:44 who has made it through his first two seasons without getting hurt. Your mat was Malcolm Brown.
00:37:49 Everybody else in there has mistimed injury. And it's funny, the guy with the healthiest
00:37:55 of the injured players in that span was Sony Michelle. He only missed a couple of games
00:37:59 in his first two years. It was just what happened after that and the way he deteriorated. That was
00:38:04 the issue. But Christian Gonzalez on injured reserve, you got Matt Jones getting hurt the
00:38:10 way he did last year. Um, you know, I would, I say a win and kill Harry, you know, in cold
00:38:16 strange this year, missing time. Um, it's been kind of an issue for them and there's a certain
00:38:21 amount of bad luck there, but it's, you, you can't develop players if they aren't on the field and
00:38:25 they aren't able to get out there cause they're hurt. You know, that sets you back. And usually
00:38:29 guys who end up on injured reserve at some point in their first two years have a hard time panning
00:38:34 out because it's hard to make up for the lost time and hard to make up for the missed opportunities
00:38:39 along the way. So that's, that's another factor here is let's, let's get draft picks to stay on
00:38:44 the field and stay healthy. That's a hundred percent. Right. A hundred percent. Yeah. Well,
00:38:48 an old man mob says it right here too, that, you know, last year's draft could, could be up there
00:38:52 with, with the best draft Patriots draft classes. Now it's early Christian Gonzalez played three
00:38:57 games, but from what we saw of him, he looks like a stud. If he turns out to be a stud,
00:39:04 then that's a huge draft pick. Keon white has started to really round into shape. He's looking
00:39:11 really good. If he plays really well, there's another guy. Marte Mopu has looked pretty good.
00:39:18 I, he needs some more development, right? We knew he was a developmental piece anyways,
00:39:21 if they can continue to develop him and turn him into a good player. Now you get a third guy,
00:39:28 the Mario Douglas already looks at a good player, right? Like Bryce Berenger, I know was a punter,
00:39:32 but he looks like a pretty damn good punter. Like, and so, you know, you have all of these
00:39:37 picks that you're hitting and by the way, city, so it was a pretty damn good at right guard.
00:39:41 Right. So, you know what I mean? So, so now you're looking at it and thinking that, okay,
00:39:46 there's, there's a good, there's enough guys there that we can build on this for next year.
00:39:52 But in order to hit, in order to become a good team, you can't go out and buy talent. You have
00:39:57 to be able to draft talent. And so if you can, if you can continue to develop these guys and they
00:40:02 can continue to get better, that's huge for you. And then you see things like in pretty jet, you
00:40:08 know, Penny Jennings all of a sudden is playing great. He looks fantastic out there. And he was
00:40:13 a guy that couldn't see the field for the first three and a half years. He was here.
00:40:16 Well, and that's, I mean, that's one of the other things that I didn't, I didn't do a deep dive
00:40:19 into the guys after day one for the Patriots, but how many day two guys have they had in there who
00:40:24 got hurt and that really helped hurt them. Anthony Jennings was one Christian bar more.
00:40:28 How would you feel if he was having this breakout last year instead of dealing with injuries the
00:40:32 entire season, they probably make it to the playoffs. If that's the case with the way that
00:40:36 happened, um, Cole strange finally starting to break out this year and playing the best football
00:40:40 he has in his career before getting injured and going on IR, you know, that's, that's tough.
00:40:45 And he's played through injury the entire season anyway. Um, that was a day one guy, but, uh,
00:40:50 feels like a day two guy. Um, and that has been kind of a, I think, you know, Taekwon Thornton
00:40:58 in that very draft who has spent so much time on injured reserve. The other, the other guy from
00:41:04 this year's draft, by the way, is Jake Andrews. You finally got on the field and looked good.
00:41:08 He looked better than Antonio Moffe has. So I'm, I kind of hope we see him get to start
00:41:13 on Sunday and get to get a long book at how he looks out there, because
00:41:17 if you can go into next year with city, so fixing your right tackle situation,
00:41:22 cause I'm winning, it can be at right tackle and you have your whole right side of the line
00:41:26 figured out. And maybe David Andrews comes back. I feel like we haven't heard much about him
00:41:30 possibly retiring this one. I thought we would've heard no, Matthew Slater is talking about him
00:41:35 retiring Matthew Slater. It seems like this is it for Slater. And he talks about that. David
00:41:40 Andrews hasn't mentioned that now he still might walk away, but he hasn't said he's going to.
00:41:45 Yeah. And then left guard, you know, your Penn Slane Cole strange. And if you get development
00:41:49 at all from Antonio Moffe, even if he becomes a backup level player and Jake Andrews, you know,
00:41:54 is able to actually look good. And that wasn't just a 10 snap, you know, him looking decent
00:42:00 out there has four spots on the line where I think you feel comfortable. And then, all right,
00:42:05 now you're just looking for a one spot. You know, still finding a left tackle is much easier said
00:42:10 than done, but you could try to make something work. You know, you can try to work a trade
00:42:15 in there somewhere. Especially if you, if you feel like you get the QB this year and you find a way
00:42:19 to get a QB, then using the rest of your assets on the team gets a lot easier because there's no
00:42:25 uncertainty about how you're spending stuff going forward. And you can make a big trade to go get a
00:42:29 tackle. That's what the Texans had done previously to go get Tunsell. And they are that has helped
00:42:33 them out big time by having that. Yeah. And it's yeah. Good. No, I was just saying, by the way,
00:42:41 Ashton and old man, Ma both said that they would prefer to sign a penny Jennings over who?
00:42:46 I agree. A hundred percent. Yeah. I, you know, I mean, I've been on the penny and it's funny
00:42:51 because I was going back for the Brian Hines from Pat's pulpit and we were talking about it and he
00:42:56 was saying, you know, he asked him if, you know, he minded penny Jennings and he said, well, he
00:43:01 just never really caught on D-Mac called me that, but that was it. I was banging that drum when he
00:43:06 got drafted, but he never played. So no one was paying attention to who he was. And so I said
00:43:11 to him, I'm like, if he, when he gets re-signed, man, I'm all in on the penny Jennings. Uh, we're
00:43:16 going to try to turn that thing around. So the thing that could make your Josh Uche situation
00:43:21 a little bit simpler here too, is Mack Wilson breaking out as a pass rusher for you here.
00:43:25 And that just, you know, it makes life easier because they're not, we know the Patriots and
00:43:29 obviously we'd love our big edge rushers, but they've always preferred to go a little bit
00:43:33 cheaper in the front seven. And instead to scheme up your pressures. And in theory,
00:43:39 you have a secondary right now, which, you know, especially if you're bringing guys back,
00:43:42 you should be able to be fine on the backend and you're going to be pretty good back there.
00:43:46 And that means you can dial up all kinds of different blitzes. Mack Wilson is a super
00:43:50 valuable piece of that because he's versatile and Matt Judon will be part of that. And I think
00:43:55 he on white Christian bar are all parts of that. And you can let a guy like Josh Uche go and it
00:44:00 won't hurt you as much as it might hurt other teams. Agreed. Agreed. Also, uh, Paul, uh,
00:44:05 and boy greens, my guy, I'm actually going to be on a show this weekend, but, uh, he said,
00:44:10 admit it, Pat, the Patriots chicken, the boots of Trevor Simien and the jets coming in.
00:44:14 And I'll tell you, you know, I don't know if I'm the Patriots, I might worry about
00:44:20 Trevor Simien more than I worried about Zach Wilson. I mean, I don't know, you know, so, uh,
00:44:24 the Zach Wilson that played the Patriots this year was one so afraid of the Patriots defense
00:44:30 that he refused to throw an interception. So, um, like he just wouldn't take any risks with
00:44:36 the ball, which was nice, but it also meant, you know, you're not going to force turnovers and
00:44:39 Patriots offense actually had to, you know, move the ball. Simeon might give us some, some balls
00:44:45 here. Um, and we'll see it's a, yeah, maybe it's Patriots defense, but it's ranks 29th in turnover
00:44:51 percentage this year. What's crazy because they've played what's insane to me is that
00:44:56 even though they're, they're 29th and turnover percentage, they've played so damn well.
00:45:02 And I think what it comes down to is that they don't have the high level playmakers. Like they
00:45:09 have a lot of good players, but they don't have the high level playmakers that they need to get
00:45:16 turnovers. Right. If Christian Gonzalez were here still, I think it would be higher if Matthew
00:45:21 Jude on, we're here. So I think it would be higher. Like, it's just that you, you know,
00:45:25 like to force turnovers, a lot of times you need those high level players or you need a guy like,
00:45:30 like, you know, Jack Jones is just going to take chances and say, F it, I'm going to go, you know,
00:45:33 break on this out route. And they don't have a lot of those guys. They have guys that are
00:45:37 tacticians that play well, that play hard, that do the right thing that, but like, they're not
00:45:41 explosive players necessarily. And that makes for a good defense, but one that doesn't force a lot
00:45:47 of turnovers. Yep. And they also, they haven't gotten a ton of fumble luck this year, not getting
00:45:51 strip sacks as part of this. Uh, and they're not getting a lot of deflection, not tipping balls at
00:45:56 the line, which is an area where I think you'd want to see him improve. Um, although I will say
00:46:00 somebody, and I'm forgetting what was had mentioned that cornerback is a sneaky need for the team in
00:46:04 the draft. And I agreed, but I will say, I think Alex Austin has looked a little bit better than I
00:46:10 expected. And it's interesting enough to bring in the camp next year. And Marco Wilson, who they
00:46:15 just brought in, I believe he still has time left on his deal. Um, is another guy they'll bring in
00:46:21 next year. And, you know, Jonathan Jones, Christian Gonzalez, Marcus Jones. Um, you might want one
00:46:27 more body in there, but I think you can address that in free agency. Um, I don't hate the idea of
00:46:32 drafting a corner either. I don't think that's a bad idea. I'm fine with that because I do think
00:46:37 they could use some depth there, but I also think you can go out and spend $5 million and sign a
00:46:42 veteran corner who can help. And I forgot Miles Bryant in there too. Yes. And the course was
00:46:47 school Douglas did in Buffalo. Like you don't need a, you know, a number one corner necessarily.
00:46:52 You just need a guy that can play well. So, uh, old man, mob asked one question. We got to take
00:46:56 a break here, but old man, mob asked one question. What happens if the Pats versus Jess ends in a
00:46:59 tie, um, in that situation, assuming that the, that the commanders and the Cardinals both lose
00:47:07 the Patriots end up as the four, because you end up with a better record than both of those teams,
00:47:11 but a worse record than I think it's the charges that are there in the six spot.
00:47:16 And if the commanders won in the Patriots tie, you'd be still be ahead of the commanders because
00:47:20 you'd have a worse record. Yes. Yep. So it's just, unless there are multiple ties here in
00:47:26 a week, 18, a tie basically just means you're avoiding tie breakers and slotting in between
00:47:30 teams. Exactly, exactly. So, all right, let's take a break when we come back. I think we're
00:47:35 just going to kind of do our final segments. We've talked a lot about drafts, um, kind of where it's
00:47:39 going. Maybe we could talk a little bit about the Patriots. Just, I don't know if there's any
00:47:42 match-ups you really want to talk about. Let's we'll talk. I'll talk about that for a second,
00:47:45 what we're looking forward to in it. And let's, can we do a little college football playoff talk?
00:47:48 I got my hat on. Yes, let's do that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Michigan guy, we can do that.
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00:49:15 no chance the Cowboys are going to lose this weekend to Washington and they shouldn't.
00:49:19 But what I think is what I find really fascinating is that there is a chance. It's an outside chance,
00:49:25 but there's a chance that the Cardinals could finish with four wins and all four wins could
00:49:30 be against playoff teams. The Falcons haven't officially been eliminated yet, but you know,
00:49:35 they're flirting with it because they beat the Panthers to win. I know, but you never know.
00:49:41 You never know. So, but, um, but the Cardinals beat the Cowboys, which is insane. They almost
00:49:48 beat the Ravens. Yeah. I was by seven of the Ravens, right? They beat the Falcons. They beat
00:49:54 the Steelers in Pittsburgh, right? The week before the Patriots beat him. And then they beat the
00:49:59 Eagles this week. So that would be for now, even if it's not for that's still, you know, is like
00:50:06 possibly three playoff teams. Of course, there's some things that have to happen for Pittsburgh
00:50:10 to get into, but nevertheless, you know, even, even still, you're talking about two really good
00:50:14 NFC East teams that they beat. Um, so, you know, before total wins, which is kind of crazy. Also
00:50:20 ma football guy posted this and I thought, um, I thought that this was really, really interesting.
00:50:26 He said, he found it from the past chat, um, past chat sports draft, Marvin Harrison, Jr.
00:50:32 Go tackle late in the first. So I assume that means trade up to late in the first
00:50:37 and then trade a second for Justin Fields. So I don't know how you're getting that second,
00:50:40 if you're drafting a tackle late in the first, but even if it's a third for, for Justin Fields,
00:50:45 it's an interesting thought. I don't know if what the bears are going to do with Justin Fields. Um,
00:50:51 my, if I were the bears, I'd be, I'd move on from Justin Fields, but, um, but I'd be okay with that
00:50:56 as a, as a complimentary thing. I was kind of big on Quinn Ewers. I'm like, oh, Quinn Ewers,
00:51:02 that guy, you can take him the third round after watching him against Washington. Yeah. I was like,
00:51:06 yikes, that doesn't look great. He has some nice plays, but not great.
00:51:09 Yeah, no, he's, he would be a developmental guy. He's in, he's in like the Bailey Zappy
00:51:15 Jarrett camp of quarterbacks of guys. You're going to go late day two, early day three,
00:51:20 who are your hope if there are backup level guy, you're happy with that. Um, so yeah, I don't,
00:51:27 I don't know how I feel about that, but I'm still, I'm still a little low on fields,
00:51:31 yeah. Which is fine. And that's, you know, but it was just something interesting that I wanted to
00:51:34 pull up. So if it was a third for fields, I mean a second, I started to get essentially where the
00:51:39 Patriots are. That's a, it's a top 40 pick on fields where you can get a high quality receiver.
00:51:44 Right. Right. Yeah. I like it. All right. So, um, call us for what playoff. Let me talk about
00:51:51 a little bit. I know you're, you know, as you can see from these, you're watching on YouTube or,
00:51:56 or Twitter or wherever you're watching, you can see the Michigan hat, the maize and blue,
00:52:00 uh, Matt is a Michigan guy. So we know who Matt's rooting for. Um, you know, I still can't believe
00:52:07 Alabama, what the hell a Michigan calls a timeout. Then Alabama calls a timeout.
00:52:13 Then they come out with a QB draw on fourth and goal from the three yard line. What the hell are
00:52:20 you doing? It looked like it was supposed to be some kind of a counter type play to stretch and
00:52:26 they had like the running back in motion to stretch the defense. And whoever Michigan had
00:52:31 their linebacker defensive end or whatever on the strong side of that bull rushes, JC Latham back
00:52:38 right into the rushing lane. And there's just no, he gets bull rushed so far back that the quarter
00:52:44 Mill row can't cut. Um, that's your ball game. I mean, Michigan, it's funny because Alabama
00:52:52 dominated Michigan when they were running the ball, but when it was passing situations or
00:52:56 Michigan knew it was coming, their defensive line just ate Alabama's line. And that last play,
00:53:02 you know, really good execution being able to blow that up. And talk about before that,
00:53:06 that gets set up because on second down Michigan's defense gets a run stuff for like five yards into
00:53:11 the backfield. Now it's third and goal from the 15. That's a tough situation to be in regardless.
00:53:16 It's tough to talk area of the field to work in. Um, I thought Michigan's offense being able to
00:53:22 work back from down seven, that last drive from McCarthy and the whole offense was impressive.
00:53:27 I thought there were some schematic things there that the Patriots should take notes on.
00:53:31 Um, that fourth down play where they, they move the back over at the last second and just have
00:53:36 them go out to the side where there's like four receivers all on one side and nobody takes them.
00:53:41 I think the Patriots should try to utilize that one. I would love to see them break that out.
00:53:46 Um, and you know, you get a little lucky with a tipped ball ending up right in the receiver's
00:53:49 hands. And yeah, I also thought that last play, that fourth down play, if you watch that play
00:53:54 again, he sends the back out in motion as he snaps the ball, the backside linebacker went with them,
00:54:01 not the front side linebacker, the backside linebacker. If he just turns and throws it to him,
00:54:07 he guys, that guy's walking into the end zone. He's walking into the end zone.
00:54:11 And they, they said after the game, it was just a draw. So the quarterback didn't technically have
00:54:15 that option. I guess they weren't ready for it. And I think that was Michigan kind of betting that,
00:54:20 yeah, we think that's a decoy. We don't think you're actually doing that. Cause Melrose was
00:54:25 the only part of their off Melrose running was the only part of the Alabama offense.
00:54:28 It was good. And I can't, I'll tell you what Bill O'Brien, maybe in that game, at least
00:54:35 didn't look like he was wrong about Jalen Melrose. So Jalen Melrose has been very good this year.
00:54:39 That was bad. Jalen Melrose, uh, throwing the ball at least.
00:54:42 Yeah. Oh, I'm like really good Michigan defense. And you know, he got sacked six times. A lot of it
00:54:46 was also really good pressure. So, um, yeah. And then the, uh, the, the special themes for
00:54:52 Michigan was just giving me a heart attack all night long. I was like, this is unbelievable.
00:54:57 I've never seen a guy do that regulation. I was, I was just as a Michigan fan, you know,
00:55:02 we got the highlight reel with the Appalachian state game and the Michigan state game with the,
00:55:06 the fumble on the punt. And I was like, yeah, just adding another one to it right here.
00:55:12 We avoided that. I did that in the college football playoff. Oh my God.
00:55:16 And that continued into the late game, Washington, Texas. We had like three or
00:55:19 four months once I think in that game. Yeah, that was awful. And Washington had control of
00:55:23 that game. And then, you know, I think they had what a false start on fourth down when they won
00:55:28 a punt with like 50 seconds left. And so they, um, or one of their guys got hurt, right? Yeah.
00:55:35 Which it's a weird rule that stops the clock in that scenario, which gives Texas 45 seconds
00:55:39 instead of 15 seconds to go to the length of the field, which is huge. And then they had a bad punt
00:55:44 or not a bad punt, but they had a punt and then committed a penalty on the punt,
00:55:47 which gave them all the 30 instead of the 15. And it's just like those things and at the college
00:55:52 kids and those things happen, but that's why it's interesting. That's why it's interesting.
00:55:58 You get a little more chaos than you do at the NFL level. The guys aren't quite as good. And
00:56:02 that's correct. You know, some of the things that we take for granted in the NFL, you can't in
00:56:06 college and that's right. You know, only in the, only in college, you have the extra points still
00:56:12 from the two and you are worried every time your kicker goes out there. But, um, I'm really,
00:56:19 I'm really excited for the championship game. Uh, obviously being a Michigan fan, that's exciting,
00:56:24 but from a prospect perspective, um, I think you get best or second, best wide receiver core in
00:56:31 college, whether you want to go Washington or LSU is up to you as number one, um, against one of the
00:56:36 better secondaries and better designed to secondaries in college. And I think we're going
00:56:40 to learn about it, learn a lot about the prospects on both sides of the ball. We're going to learn a
00:56:44 lot about, uh, Michael Penix, uh, Fountain, uh, the left tackle for Washington. He's going to get
00:56:51 put under a lot of stress. I want to see how he handles that. Who, by the way, um, uh, free,
00:56:57 who was the senior ball guy? Nagy had said earlier this week that he measured in with 34 and three
00:57:04 quarters inch arms. He was a guy who people talked about as a possible guard convert because of his
00:57:08 height, but then you add in the arms like that and he's a tackle all the way. So that's, that's a guy
00:57:13 who, you know, that's my pet guy who I like at the top of the second round, who I know is not
00:57:18 actually going to be there. Um, and then, you know, interesting for JJ McCarthy and Roman Wilson,
00:57:25 it's a good Washington pass defense. And I want to see how they are, if they even decide to go
00:57:29 through the air, how well that, that works out for them. This is a, this is a worst past defense
00:57:34 in Alabama, I think in a less complex one. And, um, I think we'll learn a little bit about some
00:57:39 of those guys too. I'm thinking Michigan obviously is a Michigan. Obviously you're going to, but it
00:57:44 is going to be, I think we're going to learn a lot. I think we're going to learn a lot about
00:57:48 Michael Penix jr. And he's a guy that everyone's got their eyes on right now. You know, Michael
00:57:53 Irvin was comparing to Michael Vick. I mean, like, you know, it's, it's a, it's getting a
00:57:57 little crazy because he played so well. If he goes out there and, you know, and dog walks, Michigan,
00:58:03 like that's going to really open up some eyes and the, how you talking about each of your top
00:58:08 five pick. Right. So we'll see. But I think that that's, it's going to be really interesting for
00:58:13 me to kind of see, um, to see what, to see which way it goes, but, um, all right. Anyways, you
00:58:19 want to get into our, into our last things we'll see. I'm not going to pick a team because I'm
00:58:22 not going to go against you. I'll go for, I'll go with Michigan. Fine. I'll go with Michigan.
00:58:26 Hell yeah. I want to see, I want to see you happy. I want to see my friend happy. Uh, I don't
00:58:31 really care. I am a fan of Michael Penix. I'd like to see Michael Penix do well, but at the same time,
00:58:36 I know a lot of people that are rooting for Michigan. So I'm down with that too.
00:58:38 I just want a good game. I want to get him. Do we want to talk about the pats of jets game real
00:58:42 quick before we go into our last segment? Okay, fine. Sure. I'm just, I'm just wondering if
00:58:46 there's anything that's like, I want to, I'm curious how things look. I'm rooting for a win.
00:58:51 I'm curious. I think the big thing here is, you know, jets have a good defensive line and the
00:58:55 Patriots really couldn't block them in the first game and they're banged up now. And I want to see
00:58:59 how that looks. And I'm excited to watch Christian bar more, you know, wreck somebody's day one more
00:59:05 time. I feel like I'm going to be surprised if this game gets to 40 points total or 30 points
00:59:11 total. I feel like it's gotta be low scoring. Especially if it's, especially if it's a snowing
00:59:16 out by the way, DJ Daniel up in the chat here was the guy that made that original comment about the
00:59:22 Marvin Harrison jr. Trade and whatnot. So, so there you go. I love Marvin Harrison jr. I mean,
00:59:28 you have the Patriots end up with him. I don't think anybody can complain.
00:59:30 So look, I just think the jets offense is terrible. Bruce Hall has had two really,
00:59:37 really spectacular games in a row, caught a ton of passes out of the backfield. That's really how
00:59:42 they've done most of their damage. I mean, Wilson's caught some passes, but he hasn't really been a
00:59:48 factor too much in these last two games. Whereas Bruce Hall has been a huge factor out of the
00:59:52 backfield. He had what like nine or 10 catches in two weeks in a row. So so they've really,
00:59:58 really been leaning on him coming out of the backfield. I wouldn't be surprised to see that
01:00:02 again. The Patriots have a really good past defense, but the question is how are they against
01:00:09 a guy like that? Right. Bruce Hall is an explosive player. You know, if it's snowing,
01:00:12 maybe he's a little bit less explosive. Maybe, you know, he can't make as many quick cuts as he
01:00:16 would like to do, but we'll see. So, you know, I just I'm interested to kind of see where it goes.
01:00:24 But like if you're telling me that the Patriots can't be Trevor Simien in the jets,
01:00:31 who Bill hates more than life itself in what could be Bill Belichick's last game at home.
01:00:37 I just I don't see how that happens. I don't see how that happens. And what's funny about it is
01:00:43 that I think if you're Robert Kraft, if the Patriots lose on Sunday, it makes your decision
01:00:49 about moving on from a lot easier, which is crazy to think because it's a meaningless game in week
01:00:53 18. But like he likes nothing more than beating the Jets. And if you can't beat the Jets with
01:00:59 their like ninth string quarterback, what are we doing? Yeah. What I think I don't feel confident
01:01:05 about the Patriots scoring more than like 14 points in this game, but I feel confident that
01:01:09 the Jets probably aren't scoring more than six unless there's defensive or special teams points
01:01:14 involved, because that's just that offense is so depleted. Patriots defense is so good. You know,
01:01:20 they're going to confuse Simien. I feel I feel good about the Patriots defense getting at least
01:01:26 one pick in this game or a strip sack somewhere. They're going to make life miserable for them. And
01:01:31 I think we should just try to have fun with it. This could be the last game ever that Bill
01:01:37 Belichick is our coach. Right. This dude's the greatest and it's a division rival. And,
01:01:42 you know, it could be a it could be a bittersweet day on Sunday. So let's try to make the most of
01:01:48 it and enjoy it. For sure. By the way, we saw 16 targets and 12 catches for 96 yards
01:01:55 on Christmas Eve. And then they play again Thursday night. So they have a little bit of a
01:02:00 long they have like the mini by here. He had nine catches on nine targets for 42 yards and a
01:02:05 touchdown. So caught a ton of passes out of the backfield. That's against a really good Cleveland
01:02:09 defense. Washington, not so good, but a really good Cleveland defense as well. And so I'm
01:02:15 not surprised. Yeah, I think so. But we'll see. We'll see what they decide to do.
01:02:20 If it's snowing and you get the slick conditions, checking it down to the back and let them try to
01:02:26 break tackles is pretty much always a good idea because it's hard to cut defensively there. So
01:02:31 I think we're going to see a lot of that. By the way, somebody mentioned somebody asking about
01:02:35 Zach Wilson in the chat. He was ruled out. He didn't clear the concussion protocol or whatever.
01:02:39 So right. So he's I mean, who is Tim? Tim Boyle's not still on the team. Who is their backup?
01:02:44 No, at this point, it might be Tim Boyle.
01:02:48 I thought they caught him, but I am not sure. So let me pull up their depth chart.
01:02:54 I know. Couldn't even tell you. I literally couldn't even tell you who cares, I suppose.
01:02:59 Well, I'd say who cares. But I know game with Chris. I think the
01:03:03 backup quarterback coming in at any point is a very old.
01:03:07 Brett Rippon. Yes. Scotia.
01:03:11 Yeah, that's right. Scotia. That would be fun. Get a little Brett Rippon action.
01:03:18 You imagine that ribbon goes in. He's guaranteed. He's gonna throw a pick six guaranteed. He's
01:03:23 gonna throw a pick six if he goes in. So. So, yeah, we'll try to have a fun one in the snow
01:03:28 on Sunday. There you go. Love it. It's a hot cocoa ready. All right. Now let's get into our
01:03:33 five seconds, by the way. Just one quick schedule note for next year. The Patriots,
01:03:37 they always the schedules are set years, years in advance. OK, but the two games that weren't
01:03:46 already set, whereas they're playing the team that finished the same way as them,
01:03:50 the same spot as them in the AFC North and the team that finished in the same spot as them as
01:03:54 the NFC North. And then I think there was also I think there was also the AFC South as well.
01:04:02 No, not the South. We play the whole we play the whole way to the South and we're we're locked in
01:04:07 for the AFC West being a home game against the Chargers. That's what it was. Yes. Yes. So.
01:04:12 Yes. The AFC North is since because they so the I'm sorry, the AFC West clinch with the Chargers
01:04:19 because they're in last place. The AFC North clinched with since because they're in last place
01:04:24 and then the outcome of Sunday's games will determine whether they're playing in Chicago
01:04:30 or in Minnesota. If Chicago loses, it's in Chicago. If Minnesota loses and Chicago wins,
01:04:37 it's in Minnesota. So, you know, reunion with Brian Flores next year could be could be fun.
01:04:44 I'll tell you this much. If we got a rookie quarterback, I don't love the idea about going
01:04:47 up against the Ryan Flores defense. Sure, don't. But we'll see. You know, getting a last place
01:04:53 schedule that could include a Brian Flores defense, Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert as something. But
01:05:00 yeah, it's going to be a tough schedule next year in the Patriots. They play the whole
01:05:04 AFC South. That's a division they get there. And then in the NFC, it's the West. That includes
01:05:10 a trip to San Francisco and a trip to Arizona. They get both of those on the road and then the
01:05:15 AFC South. Well, the AFC South is interesting. So they play India at home and they play Houston
01:05:20 at home and they're in Jacksonville and they're in Tennessee. And I think what's interesting about
01:05:24 that Jacksonville, of course, had a down year this year. Well, started out hot and now it's
01:05:28 kind of faded. And he's a team that like they're right on the cusp and they're feisty and they're
01:05:33 that. Don't forget now they have Anthony Richardson on. I wasn't played all year,
01:05:37 right? And looked pretty damn good when he was in there originally. So that's a team that could
01:05:42 be scary for other teams next year. So that's going to be interesting. And of course, Houston
01:05:47 and whatnot. So could could be tough. And so on. Obviously, schedule usually looks easier once you
01:05:53 get into the season and there's injuries and not everybody lives up to the hype and guys under
01:05:58 perform. So the AFC South and the NFC West. So the fact that you're playing the Rams and the Seahawks
01:06:04 and the Niners. The Cardinals or whatever, but still, you know, they look like they're finishing
01:06:10 the season strong, too. That might not be a game in next year, especially on the road. Yep. So
01:06:16 we'll see how this goes. It'll be an interesting schedule. Yeah, we'll talk about that kind of as
01:06:21 as we as we get down on the other thing, too, depending on the extra game in the NFC.
01:06:27 The other team to watch there is that the Jets are in third place and the Jets may end up going
01:06:32 to Green Bay. You may have an Aaron Rodgers going back to Green Bay situation or you might have Aaron
01:06:38 Rodgers, I think, at Chicago as part of that, which, you know, the Bears fans would be all over
01:06:44 that. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, that's the other little nugget there to watch for on the schedule. But 16
01:06:51 of the 17 games are set. I like it. That's interesting. All right. So let's get into our
01:06:56 pop bets. Our pop bets are this week. Last week, we both went one in one. I had Stefan Diggs over
01:07:02 68.5 receiving yards. That did not happen. I had Joe Flacco two plus passing touchdowns. That did
01:07:08 happen. You had the Jets under one and a half TDs. And this is where sometimes betting is so unfair
01:07:15 because the Jets offense scored one touchdown, but their defense also scored one touchdown.
01:07:20 And so therefore, that one didn't hit. But you did have a JSN anytime TD, which did hit. So
01:07:26 after 17 weeks. And 34 picks, I am a putrid 11 and 23. And you are a not much better 14 and 20.
01:07:38 So the house does always win. We need to remember that the house does always win. And there's a
01:07:41 reason why there are huge, massive skyscrapers in Vegas. But because the contest and because
01:07:50 the last week of the season, and because I'm only down by three and not by two, we decided
01:07:55 we're going to make it a little interesting here. And we're going to do three picks instead of two
01:08:00 picks. That way, if I somehow go three and oh, and you somehow go oh and three, that will be tied.
01:08:06 And then we'll do a tiebreaker next week for the wildcard playoff. So probably not going to happen.
01:08:11 I'm probably going to be running the Patriots conditioning test at some point in the spring.
01:08:15 But it could happen. And so let's make it a little fun. You know, we'll leave it open,
01:08:20 you know. So would you like to give yours first, sir? Yeah. And we don't have we don't have
01:08:27 specific numbers for some of this yet, just because we don't know exactly who's playing in
01:08:31 some of these games. But we're doing approximates. And if we got to shift the bets a little bit
01:08:35 later, we will. So I'm going to take a guess here. My first one is going to be the over on Sam
01:08:40 Darnold touchdowns, which I think is going to be a one and a half. It could be with zero point five,
01:08:45 but give it to me. I think I think we're going to see Sam Darnold have have a decent game for
01:08:50 the 49ers because he's playing doing it. I'm doing another over on touchdowns. I don't have a number
01:08:55 for this. I don't care what the number is for this one. I'm taking the over on Josh Allen touchdowns.
01:09:00 It's a game with where a win get in on primetime for the division. We are getting peak chaotic
01:09:08 Josh Allen. Well, we're going to pull out five. No, he's going to pull out the dumbest, most
01:09:13 ridiculous things you've ever seen. And you might turn it over a whole bunch, but I think he's going
01:09:17 to get in the end zone a bunch, too. So I actually think if I had to guess and I know that number's
01:09:23 not out yet, I had to guess I'd say is probably three and a half because you're talking about
01:09:28 passing plus rushing. I'm going to guess two and a half. All right, let's see. We'll see. We'll see
01:09:33 where it lands. Let's say two and a half. And if it comes out at three and a half, we'll change it.
01:09:36 If it doesn't, then we'll leave it at two and a half. You're probably right. And then my final
01:09:40 one, I do have a number for this one. Falcon Saints under forty two and a half. Yeah, I mean,
01:09:46 come on now. Yeah, I'd love that. I can say it's under forty two point five. OK, so now for my
01:09:54 three. I almost it's funny because I almost took the I almost took the over in the Falcon Saints
01:10:03 game, which would have been hilarious because then we would have had we would have had opposite
01:10:06 picks. I didn't, but I almost did just because like, why not? So dumb. It makes no sense that
01:10:12 I was like, oh, it could work, but that's not what I'm doing. I'm doing three, three and they're
01:10:19 weird ones that I'm going, Alec, Alex Pierce. No, no, Alec. Yeah, Alec Pierce from the Indianapolis
01:10:29 Colts. I'm going over twenty eight point five receiving yards because here's the thing.
01:10:36 Alec Pierce is not their number one receiver, but Alec Pierce is their like home run guy.
01:10:41 It just takes one catch and he's going to be over twenty eight point five receiving yards.
01:10:45 He's done it a few times this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it again. So Alec
01:10:50 Pierce over twenty eight point five rushing yards. And then I had a similar thought to you with the
01:10:55 bills. I just think that the bills have relied on the run a lot more than they have the past
01:11:03 lately, at least. And so I'm going James Cook over sixty eight point five rushing yards.
01:11:10 I think sixty eight point five is pretty low or low enough for him. And so I'm going with that.
01:11:16 And then my final one, I'm doing an alternate line here. And this is how confident I am about
01:11:25 this game. The Eagles are a five point favorite. OK, I am taking the Eagles minus ten and a half
01:11:36 against the New York Giants. All righty. Bringing that up five and a half points
01:11:42 going to be more than double digits. And so that's my that's my last prop of week 18.
01:11:49 So we'll see how it goes. If I somehow pull off three and oh, and you somehow go on three,
01:11:54 then we'll have a showdown in the in the playoffs. If not, then, you know,
01:11:59 I'll just start running now. That's all I like. I like it. Oh, that's that. That Eagles
01:12:05 Giants one is interesting because I almost go the complete opposite direction.
01:12:08 It's like Giants with the current line. But that's exactly why I'm doing it. That's the
01:12:12 whole reason I'm doing it, because I'm like, it makes no sense. And I'm like,
01:12:16 that line looks so low and the Giants stink. And I think they all might be getting fired.
01:12:22 And so I'm like, dude, you know, it could happen. And the Eagles now like are fighting for their
01:12:29 lives to try to win the division somehow or at least get into the playoffs, not looking like
01:12:33 a crap team. And so, you know, I think that if this is the week to figure it out,
01:12:38 it'd be a good time against against what's not a very good team.
01:12:42 Yeah, no, I'm I'm in agreement there. So we'll see what happens this week.
01:12:47 Is it trivia time? It is, in fact.
01:12:51 All righty. Our trivia question last week was, let me pull up my notes here.
01:13:00 Which Patriots running back grabbed two scores in a week 17 win over the Bills in 2013?
01:13:07 That was like the Garrett Blunt. Matt Monito was the first on that one. That was when Blunt came
01:13:14 in and, you know, they ran over the Bills and the Colts in succession there to end the season and
01:13:18 start the playoffs. He was electric in that stretch right there. We're also going for another
01:13:23 another end of the end of the season type question on this one. Which Patriot scored his first career
01:13:32 touchdown over the Jets in the final week of the 2020 season?
01:13:37 Oh, it's good. I don't I'm going to be curious if somebody is able to get this one.
01:13:44 I like that one. I do. And my first career touchdown. Remember, he has to be the one that
01:13:49 goes into the end zone. That's correct. Yes, that is quite correct. Which is an important
01:13:54 distinction when it comes to this guy. Thanks. No, I will. We'll see. You might not have it
01:14:01 right then. Maybe I don't. Perhaps I don't. We'll see if three or answers in the chat, guys. We'll
01:14:06 see if see if anybody can get that. Well, we're waiting on an answer for that one. I want to do
01:14:13 it. A shout out real quick, too, because I was watching it tonight. I don't know if you've seen
01:14:16 the PWHL, the Professional Women's Hockey League that just started. I haven't. I did hear I did
01:14:21 hear about it, obviously, but I haven't. I did see that there was some stuff going on media
01:14:26 wise today, but I hadn't seen it. They the Boston team played their first game tonight with Bergeron
01:14:32 there as kind of he was like an honorary captain or something for them. And he he what do you call
01:14:38 it? Like address the team before the game and announced who their captain for the season was
01:14:42 going to be Hillary Knight. She's awesome. They played tonight. They didn't win their first game.
01:14:47 They lost three to two, but I was checking it out earlier and it looks pretty good. I was having a
01:14:51 really good time watching it. And there's a New York team. So when they come to New York, I might
01:14:56 see if I can grab some tickets and go go check out a game in person. But a shout out to the ladies,
01:15:01 some good hockey over there. Fantastic. That's good. That's what I want to say. I like it. Yeah.
01:15:06 So. Don't forget now, TJ says Cam Newton, not Cam Newton, because it's his first career
01:15:15 touchdown. But he's not his last career. That's what became his last career touchdown, perhaps,
01:15:19 but not his first. It wasn't because he scored that one for Carolina the next season with him
01:15:24 screaming on that's right. Good point. That's a great point. I forgot about that. But yeah,
01:15:30 there was there was Cam throwing a touch a football up into the end of the endless stadium in that one.
01:15:36 All the cardboard cutouts. Yeah. So back on those. Yeah, it is strange, isn't it? So. All right.
01:15:42 Anyways, here we go. Last segment of the podcast. And now for something we think you'll really like
01:15:49 this week in sports history. All right, I have to do you have one or two? I have one.
01:15:59 Right. Do it. All right. I'm pulling mine from the calendar that I got here, my page today. One
01:16:05 on this day, January 3rd in 2005, only owner Arte Moreno announced that the name of the Angels
01:16:12 franchise will change from the Anaheim Angels to the Los Angeles Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.
01:16:19 There's a way to build marketing by letting people know that they're in the Los Angeles
01:16:24 area. One of the dumbest branding decisions. Something about the Anaheim stuff, because you
01:16:32 got that and you got the Anaheim Ducks and the Mighty Ducks to Anaheim and them changing their
01:16:36 name and branding. So stupid. Yeah. So dumb. Yeah. Weird stuff going on out there. But yeah,
01:16:41 that was on this day back in 2005. There you go. There you go. I got two. I got two of them.
01:16:47 One of them's way back and one of them is pretty bad, pretty far, but not quite as far
01:16:52 on January 3rd, 1920. It's a tough day. It's a tough day. Boston Red Sox club owner Harry Frizee.
01:17:02 Announces agreement to sell Slugger Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees for $125,000 and a cash
01:17:07 cash and a $350,000 loan. Sorry. I mean, that's what happened in January 3rd.
01:17:14 Not to write, not to make no no net, by the way, we did learn that on an earlier episode. It was
01:17:20 not to make no no net. Many people thought that was the case, but that was not the case.
01:17:26 Also on January 3rd, 1993.
01:17:29 Terrible head coach Frank Reich leads the comeback for the Buffalo Bills against the
01:17:37 Houston Oilers down 32 points. They win 41 38 in overtime, the largest playoff
01:17:47 deficit ever overcome. Of course, not the best one, of course, but the largest playoff deficit
01:17:55 ever overcome. And that's the one where all the fans left the stadium and then we're trying to
01:17:59 get back in to watch the ending. Well, fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. So we're a wild game. I
01:18:06 remember I was nine years old, so I remember not even nine years old. I was I was eight years old.
01:18:12 I remember watching that game at my grandparents house and like all the just like throwing
01:18:19 touchdown at the time. Like what the heck is going on? It was insane. Game was over.
01:18:23 It was over and then they came back and it was it was nuts.
01:18:26 Wasn't Frank Reich also the quarterback for the biggest comeback in college football history
01:18:31 when he was at, I think, Florida State? Might be right. I don't know that. That's
01:18:36 certainly possible. You might even have to Google this to double check, but I think I remember
01:18:41 hearing that growing up. So that's really interesting. If that's the case, it's too
01:18:45 bad that he's such a crappy head coach, but let's see. He was the biggest highlight.
01:18:51 Comeback against the Miami Hurricane, November 10th, 1984 at the Orange Bowl.
01:18:56 Let's see, do they have it was a 31 to nothing. He played for. Let's see.
01:19:06 It was it was against Miami when he played for Maryland. We played for Maryland. That's it.
01:19:13 It was a 31 nothing halftime lead and ended up winning the game 42 to 40. It was a 42 to nine
01:19:19 second half. It was then the biggest comeback in NCAA history. It's pretty crazy. Pretty crazy.
01:19:27 Frank Reich knows a thing or two about coming back, at least as a player.
01:19:31 If he does as a coach, a third time's the charm, right?
01:19:34 I suppose you never know. I suppose you never know, although didn't he have?
01:19:39 Was it wasn't he the coach or was it Jeff Saturday was the coach for the for the Colts
01:19:46 when they had the massive when they blew the massive lead last year? Was Saturday already
01:19:50 the coach and he already fired? I know Matt Ryan was the quarterback. I remember that late in the
01:19:54 season. That was Saturday. Yeah. Yeah, no, that was he was gone by then when he's he's got fired
01:20:01 twice here. But it's also the Colts organization that is still, you know, figuring out what it's
01:20:06 doing in a Carolina organization that has a complete disaster, complete disaster.
01:20:13 I I honestly kind of respect the statement he put out. It's just it's basically like,
01:20:18 yeah, his statement basically amounts to, yeah, if you were drinking that person's face,
01:20:22 they deserved it and I'll take the fun. That's basically what he said.
01:20:26 It's crazy, which is kind of hilarious. But that dude, yeah, I.
01:20:30 Man, I feel bad for Carolina fans because I don't think it's going to get better down there.
01:20:34 It is not. It is not. He's the new Dan Snyder. And it took 20 years for the NFL to get rid of
01:20:40 Dan Snyder. So David Tepper's not going anywhere anytime soon. But, you know, we'll see. So anyways,
01:20:45 and that's someone tweeted out like, could you imagine? I think it was Murph tweeted out like,
01:20:49 could you imagine you have Jerry Richardson as an owner who's like the worst owner and you finally
01:20:55 get rid of him and you replace him with someone worse? It's like, how is that even possible?
01:21:00 But here they are like meddling in stuff, too. And that's bad. It's bad. Well, allegedly,
01:21:06 they wanted to draft Stroud, which, of course, they're going to come out. I mean, Frank,
01:21:08 we're going to come out and say I want to draft Stroud, even if he didn't because he's an idiot.
01:21:12 Like he knew that he was going to get fired. So, of course, he's going to come out and say that
01:21:16 because he wants a job next year. Right. So who knows if that's true or not? But still,
01:21:20 even if even if that was semi true, it's like that can't happen. So, you know, that was yeah,
01:21:26 that's not a great not a great situation there. And it's kind of remarkable that Carolina's made
01:21:32 two Super Bowls in the history of that franchise. And they had a really good 96, right? Didn't they
01:21:38 start off super hot? Yeah. Well, they made the NFC Championship in 96 because they made the
01:21:45 NFC Championship and the Patriots made and the Jaguars made the AFC Championship. And they were
01:21:49 both. Oh, yeah. And ended up being Patriots Packers. Yeah. Yep. And we all know what happened.
01:21:54 So anyways, but not if we got a Patriots Panthers Super Bowl in 96 and we got the rematch in 03,
01:22:02 that would have been crazy. That would have been really cool. That would have been really cool.
01:22:04 Or or imagine if we had gotten a Jaguars Panthers Super Bowl in 96 and it would have been the two
01:22:10 expansion teams that would have been nuts, dude. I still remember I had a book as a kid. I was like
01:22:15 really little. It's like one of the small little picture books. It's like introducing you to the
01:22:18 NFL. And it was like a quick history of the NFL with all the big things that had happened.
01:22:24 I think the last chapter in it was talking about like the new era and how the Jaguars and Panthers
01:22:29 had both been successful their first years and looks like ready to take on the NFL.
01:22:34 Yeah. I don't even think it had the Texans in it. I think this is pre-Texans.
01:22:38 The Patriots won their first Super Bowl before the Texans existed.
01:22:42 Oh, the Texans were oh two. I just don't remember if I had this. I think I'm saying like it's crazy.
01:22:47 I remember getting I had like one of these like foot, you know, like replica footballs or whatever
01:22:52 that said like 31 teams, one champion. And I was like, I remember I found it like two years ago.
01:22:56 And I was like, wait, 31. And I was like, oh, my God, that's right. Patriots won before the Texans
01:23:00 existed. So those weird divisions before to let me tell you, the divisional realignment in O2
01:23:05 makes for the most part a ton of sense. And they nailed it with that one. Yes. Except that the
01:23:12 the Colter and the AFC self, that's a weird one. The Colts being the AFC self is strange.
01:23:17 And then there's one other team that I'm like, wait, why is that team in the.
01:23:20 I think it's in theory, the only ones you'd even think about switching around are probably the
01:23:27 the Ravens, the Colts and the Dolphins. But they also did it in a way that you probably just like
01:23:32 cycle the three of them. But I think they did it in a way to preserve some rivalries there
01:23:37 with the Dolphins and the rest of the team. Well, that's true. I mean, but it is interesting,
01:23:41 though, in O2 when the Patriots and, you know, I guess they had thought about it before Manning
01:23:47 and Brady were really a rivalry. But like if you had if you had looked at it and said,
01:23:53 you know, Manning, if it had happened two years later, then you probably would have kept Manning
01:23:58 and Brady in the same division. The Colts would be in the division and the Dolphins would be down
01:24:02 south. You know what I mean? So but I also wonder about a circumstance where the Colts end up in
01:24:06 the AFC North and the Ravens are the team that replaces them in the east and the Dolphins go
01:24:11 to the south. I think that would have been interesting to. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just,
01:24:14 you know, as much as it's also funny because those are like the three teams that kind of come up in
01:24:19 that little cycle. And it's also the three teams that during the like during the Brady era seem to
01:24:24 give the Patriots the most trouble. It was the three of those. Well, the Colts didn't give them
01:24:28 trouble, but they were always involved in something. And then the Colts give them trouble
01:24:32 off the field, not on it. And then you got the Broncos is the only other one. When you know,
01:24:36 what's interesting is that they feel like like the Ravens feel like an AFC North team,
01:24:41 like AFC North, like hard nosed, hard hitting, right? The Colts feel like an AFC South team.
01:24:47 It's like they're like a candy ass team. Like you just like playing the dome. And it's like,
01:24:51 come on, that's the AFC South. And, you know, the the Dolphins feel like an AFC East team where they,
01:24:57 you know, like got beat up by the Patriots for a million years and were like the, you know,
01:25:02 could never really get to that pinnacle. I mean, they got to the Super Bowl a few times and
01:25:07 couldn't win it in the 80s, just like the Bills did in the 90s. And, you know, the Jets made it
01:25:11 the AFC Championship game. So it's like they feel like kind of that third extra AFC East team. So
01:25:17 it's just it's kind of funny how things worked out that way. It makes it all makes sense. And
01:25:20 it's you know, there's something about the AFC East, too. That's all the you get the crazy weather
01:25:24 because you have three teams up north and the team down south. And it's like everybody's got
01:25:28 to deal with the weather in a different way in this division. Right. Yeah. There's three times
01:25:33 here where Miami is going to come up north and they're probably going to have to worry about
01:25:35 the cold and three times where you're going to go down south and you're going to have to worry
01:25:38 about or one time for each of those three teams. You're going to have to worry about the heat and
01:25:42 just kind of deal with it. Exactly. Yeah. But, you know, by the way, not looking forward to that
01:25:46 for New England next year. You got to do Jacksonville and Miami on the road. And
01:25:49 depending on when they play Tennessee, that could also be a tough one when they play Arizona.
01:25:54 So I'm trying to be a hot one. Samford, we usually it's a state that's so that stadium
01:26:01 has had issues specifically with the sun and the angle of the sun before. So maybe. Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:05 Depending on what time of year they play them. And one other note of next year's schedule before
01:26:10 we wrap up, because I have to have to fit this in there somewhere when the Texans next year and the
01:26:15 Texans are getting new uniforms between now and next season, we're announcing them at the draft.
01:26:20 Yeah, there are apparently going to be four new uniforms, two helmets or all we know there's
01:26:25 multiple helmets. And the way it has been described, it almost sounds like each uniform
01:26:30 almost has its own color scheme. I don't really know what's going on with that. Apparently,
01:26:34 the reintroducing the like baby blue in some way. And it also sounds like there's going to be a
01:26:37 black uniform in there. And I don't I don't really know what the plan is there, but I don't really
01:26:42 have faith in them doing a good job. So now now Nike is screwed up all the way, all the all of
01:26:48 whatever it's. I like the Patriots as long as they wear the right pants, wear the gray pants.
01:26:54 And you're good. They don't. That's the problem. So that's a decision that they have. They just
01:26:58 say, right, that's a good that's a good thing. I think it's a craft thing because he started
01:27:02 shoehorning in the all blue with the old uniform set. No two as well. That's true. And then they
01:27:07 were once and they were like, I'm never what it was like. I'm never wearing it again.
01:27:10 They were right. The Packers and the Broncos, no two got killed at home in both of those games.
01:27:15 We never saw that again. It's a good point. Good point. Or Ben,
01:27:19 Bob, let's hope that the Patriots do exactly what the Texans do and win the draft. That'd
01:27:22 be really nice. So I'm not interested in that when the draft that's the that's the plan.
01:27:27 Thank you. I would love it. Maybe win this weekend and then win the draft.
01:27:30 Love it. Amen to that one. All right. Well, and on that, thank you. We'll be back Sunday again.
01:27:35 We'll do halftime of something. I football because the home game again, that's going to be a lot of
01:27:41 fun. It's going to be a lot of fun game. We're talking about who's going to win the AFC East
01:27:45 while the game's going on. So anyways, thanks for tuning in, guys. We appreciate it. And we
01:27:49 will talk to you on Sunday night.

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