This week the regular crew of Kelly and Steven are joined by Jacob Pannons, to go on a 'deep dive' of Fellow Travellers, an historical romance political thriller - genre-spanning and very good by the sounds of things.
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00:53 This week, Stephen is talking to us
00:55 about historical romance, political thriller.
00:58 Fellow travelers, can't wait to hear about that.
01:00 It's like genre spanning.
01:02 And finally, we go back to the future
01:04 to tell you about a program you may have missed
01:06 when it first aired or streams.
01:08 This week, Jacob has joined us to talk about a series
01:10 that's been running for quite a while.
01:12 And the most recent series finished not that long ago,
01:15 Love is Blind.
01:15 I'm excited for this
01:16 because I love a bit of reality TV chat,
01:18 which Stephen doesn't.
01:19 So anytime anybody wants to talk about reality TV,
01:20 I'm like totally there for it.
01:22 But first, we like to talk about
01:24 what everyone has been watching recently.
01:26 Do you know what?
01:27 I'm gonna go first this week.
01:29 I never go first.
01:31 Is that okay?
01:32 Do you know why?
01:34 I'm so excited.
01:35 I watched the first episode
01:37 of Three Little Birds last night
01:40 and I enjoyed it thoroughly.
01:43 So big recommendation.
01:44 This is, I don't think we mentioned it
01:47 on the main pod last week,
01:48 but you gave it as a recommendation
01:49 for weekend watch, Stephen.
01:50 So this is Lenny Henry's sort of semi autobiographical.
01:56 It's his mother's story essentially
01:58 about coming over from Jamaica in the late 50s,
02:02 early 60s, I suppose.
02:03 - Yeah, the Windrush generation.
02:04 - Yeah.
02:05 And he kind of has cool, I don't know,
02:10 like he's partnered with Russell T. Davis.
02:12 I don't know exactly what Russell T. Davis' input is,
02:14 but anyway, you can just tell it's Russell T. Davis
02:17 all over it because you're like crying
02:19 and laughing in the same hour, you know?
02:21 And it's just such colorful.
02:25 It's just, I guess it's probably a mix of the writing
02:30 and the production, but it really gives you
02:34 a vivid picture of their lives, you know?
02:37 And I just really, really enjoyed it.
02:39 That first episode only covered like maybe their first
02:41 two or three days in England.
02:44 And it kind of shows us a little bit
02:46 of their backstory as well.
02:49 So yeah, so far so good.
02:51 So the three, two sisters and a friend essentially,
02:55 and they come to England to be reunited
02:58 with the two sisters' brother.
03:01 And yeah, they get off to a bit of a rocky start,
03:06 but it's still like, there's still a lot of humor in it.
03:09 And three very strong characters,
03:11 the three different women and all very different people.
03:15 And yeah, I'm really looking forward
03:17 to watching the rest of it.
03:17 So that was that.
03:19 I finished, I watched so much TV this week.
03:21 I finished "Screw," which I enjoyed.
03:23 Didn't enjoy the first few episodes,
03:24 but it got better towards the end
03:26 and there was a good finale.
03:27 And that's teed up for a third series, definitely.
03:30 So that's channel four.
03:31 It's an easy watch, six hour long episodes.
03:33 So if you're looking for a filler,
03:35 it's definitely a good one.
03:36 And I finished "The Reckoning," the Jimmy Savile drama,
03:40 which was, kind of leaves a bad taste in the mouth
03:44 and does leave you with some questions, I thought.
03:47 And that thing they put on at the start of every episode,
03:49 never stopped jarring with me,
03:51 the thing about this is based on detailed research.
03:54 And then the next sentence was,
03:55 "We've dramatized parts of it,"
03:57 which I just thought it was,
03:58 there was a contradiction in terms
04:01 about what they felt about the story, you know.
04:05 But I found out stuff that I didn't know
04:10 that I won't go into detail about here,
04:11 but just about some of the things he did.
04:13 And it's horrifying, absolutely horrifying.
04:15 Back on "The Bear" as well, but not finished it.
04:19 And sort of dipping in and out of "Big Brother"
04:23 still for my sins.
04:25 So there you go.
04:26 Jacob, any chance you're watching "Big Brother"?
04:29 - Not yet, no, but I'm hoping to jump into it
04:32 when I get the chance. - Oh, are you?
04:33 Oh, I'm glad.
04:34 Come on, reality TV.
04:37 Right, okay, Stephen, we go to you then.
04:38 Tell us, what have you been watching recently?
04:40 - Yeah, I've not been watching an awful lot
04:44 'cause I've been away for a few days.
04:46 - Nice.
04:47 - In Northumberland without any internet,
04:51 but I managed to catch up on the latest episodes
04:53 of "Welcome to Wrexham."
04:55 - Oh, yeah.
04:56 - Yeah, still really good, but I mean, and this is not,
05:02 I think what I realized probably through watching this
05:04 is that it's a documentary made by the people it's about.
05:09 - Yeah.
05:11 - And they're like making money off it,
05:15 which they'll then use to fund Wrexham in the next season.
05:20 - Yeah.
05:21 - And it's like it's on ecosystem.
05:23 - Yeah.
05:24 - And they, in the latest season, I mean,
05:26 I don't follow football particularly closely.
05:28 I weirdly quite like football documentaries,
05:31 but I'm not as bothered about actual football.
05:33 Like at the-
05:34 - It's the drama.
05:35 You like the drama, the jazz ones.
05:37 - Yeah.
05:38 - Yeah.
05:39 - So they've just bought, God, some Prem goalkeeper
05:44 who retired 10 months ago, I can't remember his name,
05:48 who used to play at Wrexham and then was with the Prem
05:51 for about 500 games.
05:53 And they've just bought him to sort of finish out the season
05:58 to basically guarantee that they'll get promotion.
06:02 And it's not really an underdog story anymore, is it?
06:05 Because they're just, and they make a big point
06:09 in this episode about how they painted peanuts
06:11 and he's come because of the passion,
06:13 his passion for the club.
06:14 And they're pretending that like,
06:16 oh, he would have done this anyway,
06:18 but without the documentary
06:19 and without Ryan and Rob buying the club,
06:21 I don't know if some Prem footballer
06:23 would have come to a non-league team.
06:25 - So sorry, when you say they're paying him peanuts,
06:28 they used to pay him peanuts
06:29 and now they're bringing him back at a bigger wage.
06:32 - He apparently of his own volition
06:34 went on a podcast after the signing and said,
06:36 oh, I'm not doing this for the money.
06:38 I'm literally getting paid peanuts.
06:40 I'm only doing it because, you know,
06:41 I used to play for Wrexham.
06:42 I really want to see them get back into the league.
06:46 But he didn't go last year, did he?
06:49 Like he's gone now that the docu,
06:51 they've been out of the league for ages.
06:53 And I guess he has-
06:54 - What's his motivation being part of the documentary?
06:57 - To me, I don't want to slander anybody.
06:59 Obviously he says he's doing it
07:01 because he loves the club and he wants to see the club go up.
07:05 Maybe he's doing it because he's just retired.
07:10 And he says in the documentary that, you know,
07:13 sorry, maybe he's doing it because he's just retired
07:17 and he's looking for other things to go into
07:19 and being on a Disney plus doc with Rob McElhenney
07:23 and Ryan Reynolds would be quite good for his profile.
07:26 Maybe that's part of it,
07:27 but apparently it's all selfless
07:29 and he's just doing it to help out.
07:31 But obviously they're going to go up
07:33 if you have Prem players in non-league football.
07:39 So, and I get now with the first season,
07:42 I didn't see it as much,
07:43 but I get why a lot of people,
07:44 especially supporters of non-league teams
07:46 that are going up against Wrexham every week
07:48 are a bit pissed off that this is happening
07:53 because they're just throwing money
07:56 and other incentives off the-
07:58 - Yeah, but also if it was their club,
07:59 they'd be like, great.
08:00 - Yeah, I agree, but it does just seem like
08:03 they're not really getting there on their own merits
08:07 because by the time they get into-
08:08 - Do you know, but there's that argument,
08:10 you can use that argument in football anyway
08:13 because of massive investors come into clubs and like-
08:16 - Yeah, when you look at Newcastle,
08:18 they're bought by the Saudis and suddenly they're-
08:21 - Flying up.
08:22 - Being chef united eight nil or something.
08:24 But I don't like that either,
08:26 but it just, the fact that they're presenting it,
08:30 like I don't like it,
08:32 but Newcastle aren't pretending that they're not
08:35 throwing money at the situation.
08:36 Whereas Ryan and Rob in the documentary
08:38 try and make a point about how they're like this grassroots,
08:42 gritty, underdog, scrappy team.
08:44 But presumably their wage bill is considerably more
08:49 than everyone else there against them.
08:51 - Well, not if they're getting people to come across
08:53 and play because they wanna be,
08:55 their motivations are something else,
08:57 by the sounds of things.
08:58 - To an extent, yeah.
08:59 - Yeah, who knows what they're paying?
09:00 Like they should be paying them well
09:02 if they've got the money,
09:03 but like, oh God, it sounds a bit of a mire actually,
09:07 doesn't it?
09:08 - Do you find yourself like looking up
09:09 what's been happening at Wrexham since?
09:12 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:13 - You love it.
09:14 You are a football fan.
09:15 You just don't admit it.
09:17 - Yes.
09:19 - Okay, fair enough.
09:20 Right then, Jacob, what have you been watching?
09:24 Save us from football.
09:25 - Yeah, no football chat from me,
09:28 but yeah, I was away,
09:30 so I downloaded the newest season of Big Mouths.
09:32 I've been watching that.
09:33 - Oh cool.
09:34 - So for those who don't know,
09:35 it's sort of a cartoon,
09:36 sort of about a load of middle schoolers in America
09:38 kind of going through puberty
09:40 and sort of tackling that era of their life.
09:42 It's kind of like sex education,
09:44 but very silly and yeah,
09:47 just very juvenile and just very silly
09:49 and kind of, yeah, very cartoonish.
09:51 - Did you review that last year, Stephen?
09:52 Is that?
09:53 - I did not.
09:54 I've never seen it.
09:55 - Or maybe Alex did when it was coming back.
09:57 - Potentially.
09:59 - So can you, is it on UK channels
10:02 or is it just a, you have to get it online?
10:04 - It's on Netflix.
10:05 - Oh, it's on Netflix.
10:06 Okay, cool.
10:07 And they're short, obviously, are they, these episodes?
10:11 - Yeah, I think they're about 20, 22 minute episodes
10:15 and yeah, the newest season's only got 10 episodes in it.
10:18 So it's yeah, very easy watching.
10:20 - Okay, cool.
10:20 Anything else anybody's been watching
10:23 they want to share with us this week?
10:25 In one minute and a half till 12 minutes?
10:28 (laughing)
10:30 All right, I'll talk about something.
10:33 Oh, before we go on to the next part,
10:37 I need to mention Great British Bake Off.
10:39 Spoiler alert, if you haven't watched this week's episode,
10:41 Tuesday night, there was a double,
10:44 do we call them evictions on Great British Bake Off?
10:46 - Elimination, surely.
10:47 - Oh my God, elimination, sorry.
10:50 Well, it's kind of an eviction, isn't it?
10:51 They get thrown out of the tent, I presume.
10:53 So yeah, it was a bit of a shame actually.
10:55 Two quite nice, bubbly characters went up.
10:59 They had a disastrous week, both of them,
11:01 and it was pastry week, which my God,
11:03 anyone who can cook pastry is a winner in my book,
11:07 but they really did not do a good job.
11:11 And yeah, I won't say who exactly it is,
11:13 but it was a bit of a shame.
11:15 It was kind of sad to see two people go.
11:16 It feels like it's kind of hurtling towards,
11:19 it's gone beyond midway now.
11:20 So, but next week is botanicals week,
11:24 which if I am correct,
11:27 is the first time we've ever had a botanicals week.
11:28 So I think that's going to be really interesting,
11:30 but I mean, what amateur baker out there
11:32 knows how to use botanicals?
11:34 It's a little bit like really-
11:35 - I don't even know what that means.
11:38 - So botanicals are like things you find in the garden,
11:42 like lavender and stuff you can kind of pick.
11:45 And there's other, like it's yeah, plants and flowers.
11:48 And anyway, there you go.
11:49 We got to go to an ad break.
11:51 Thanks for listening so far.
11:51 Come back to us in a bit.
11:53 (upbeat music)
11:55 Right, Stephen, talk to us.
12:05 On the deep dive this week,
12:06 you're going to do fellow travelers,
12:08 which is new to Paramount+.
12:09 I know nothing about this.
12:10 Tell us all about it.
12:11 It sounds exciting though, I have to say.
12:13 - It is exciting.
12:14 It's the synopsis makes it sound like one of those,
12:18 you know, those sci-fi dramas
12:19 where it's like the same two people,
12:21 but at different eras in time.
12:23 And they're like different.
12:24 But that's not what it is at all.
12:27 'Cause the synopsis is like two men fall in love through
12:32 at different times through like plagues
12:34 and upheavals and whatever.
12:37 - But they just lived in a really (beep) time, is it?
12:39 - Yeah, they just lived in the fifties
12:41 when being gay in America wasn't,
12:46 you didn't win the lottery of life.
12:50 But it's really good.
12:51 So the first sort of 10 minutes of the first episode,
12:54 I thought, oh, bloody hell, this is going to be a slog.
12:57 Because it is like a sort of slow burn drama.
12:59 But after that, I just really got into it.
13:01 I love sort of, I hate period dramas
13:04 in the sense of ones like set in the British aristocracy.
13:09 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:10 Downton Abbey style.
13:12 - Cold War America.
13:14 That's my thing.
13:15 So it's like, it's set during,
13:19 McCarthyism and the whole better dead than red sort of era.
13:24 And McCarthy's trying to root out the communists.
13:28 And basically anyone not considered normal in air quotes
13:33 is at risk of being labeled communist.
13:36 And at the same time as this, they get super scared.
13:40 They're living to scare about homosexuality in the US
13:44 in the government and how it might weaken security
13:47 and how it probably gay Americans
13:51 might be allied with the communists.
13:53 It's all very paranoid, but also, historically,
13:57 these fears were sort of at the top of government.
14:01 So it follows two people working in government,
14:04 a guy called Hawk, who's played by Matt Bomer.
14:08 Matt Bomer was in, he played Ken in the Magic Mike trilogy.
14:13 And then you have Jonathan Bailey.
14:14 - What a reference.
14:16 - I know.
14:17 I'm sure many of our listeners have seen
14:18 all three of the Magic Mike films.
14:21 - Well, he's in all three.
14:22 - I've definitely seen the first one
14:24 and I thoroughly enjoyed it,
14:26 but I'm not sure I went back for two and three.
14:28 - Yeah, no, he comes back for XXL
14:30 and Magic Mike's Last Dance as well.
14:33 - Stephen, you're faves.
14:36 - I did a lot of research for this show.
14:39 Jonathan Bailey is the love interest.
14:42 He plays Tim or Skippy.
14:44 And he's from Broadchurch in Bridgerton.
14:48 I actually recognized him from Crashing,
14:50 which I spoke about probably a while ago.
14:52 - Oh, interesting.
14:52 - That's now a really great-
14:53 - I'm gonna have to look him up now.
14:54 Broadchurch in Bridgerton.
14:55 Hmm, go on.
14:56 - Yeah.
14:57 So this is actually set,
15:00 it's set predominantly in the '50s during the E-Red scare,
15:03 but then there's also a narrative in, I think, the '80s.
15:07 Well, it will be the '80s
15:08 because it's in the midst of the AIDS pandemic
15:11 and it's following the two men again,
15:14 but they've had a huge falling out.
15:18 And during the sort of scenes in the '50s,
15:21 we're leading up to what that might have been
15:24 and why are they not friends
15:26 or why are they not lovers even in the '80s?
15:30 And yeah, it's super, super interesting
15:33 because you have,
15:34 it's a really good way of presenting the-
15:39 - Political tensions and the cultural backdrop.
15:43 - And the human effects of that era
15:47 because you can see the constant uncertainty
15:52 and never being able to feel secure,
15:54 even in their own home, to be gay men and women as well,
15:59 though to a lesser extent,
16:02 but it does also look at the experience of gay women.
16:05 And yeah, it's really quite tragic in a lot of ways,
16:11 but then there's also like this sort of vein
16:13 of like heartfelt resistance, I guess, running through it.
16:18 You have a black reporter who's also gay
16:23 and he's reporting on these investigations
16:27 into communists and potential homosexuals in the government
16:32 whilst also trying to fight if desegregation
16:37 and for desegregation laws to actually be applied
16:41 when they are passed.
16:42 And then also finding he has to fight this other battle
16:45 for sort of not even gay equality,
16:49 just tolerance, I guess.
16:52 And he feels like he can only do one thing at a time.
16:56 He can only fight one battle at a time.
16:59 There are eight episodes
17:01 and they'll be airing weekly on Paramount+
17:04 from Saturday, the 28th of October.
17:07 And they're about an hour long each.
17:10 Each episode is a slow burn,
17:13 but you really get sort of sucked into it.
17:16 It's very good.
17:17 It's from the writer of Philadelphia as well.
17:22 - Oh, do you know what that popped into my head
17:24 when you were talking about the sort of AIDS
17:26 and HIV stuff from the-
17:27 - And it's, yeah, it's got those sort of themes
17:32 that you'll see in "It's a Sin" as well
17:34 of struggling for acceptance
17:37 whilst also having these existential issues
17:41 facing the community as well.
17:43 - Yeah.
17:44 - It's a fantastic show.
17:45 - Okay, brilliant.
17:46 I'm almost tempted to get Paramount+ now
17:48 because they've got that
17:50 and they've got "Yellow Jacket" season two.
17:53 - Yeah, I've been slagging off Paramount+
17:54 every time it's brought up.
17:55 - It's getting better though, isn't it?
17:57 - It is, yeah, they've got some big new releases.
18:00 - Yeah, yeah, cool.
18:01 Okay, brilliant.
18:03 Stephen, what's come over you recently?
18:04 - Well, you've like mostly positive reviews
18:07 the last few weeks.
18:08 It must be like, I was gonna say spring is in the air
18:10 but clearly it's the opposite.
18:12 Maybe it's your time of year.
18:14 Okay, cool, right.
18:15 Over to you now, Jacob, for "Back to the Future"
18:19 and you're gonna talk to us about "Love is Blind."
18:21 So for anyone, you're gonna have to describe
18:24 the premise of this thing
18:25 just in case we have any listeners who don't know.
18:27 Stephen probably doesn't know what it is.
18:29 So yeah, tell Stephen what it's about.
18:32 - That'd be great.
18:34 Well, essentially they have a load
18:36 that is based in America and they pick a city for,
18:38 so for example, this season it was Houston
18:40 and they'll get these singles in that city who've applied
18:43 and you've got the male core and you've got the female core
18:45 and they kind of live together for,
18:47 I think it's three or four weeks
18:48 and they have dates with one another,
18:50 but it's through, they call it pods
18:53 where you can't see the other person.
18:54 So it will kind of be an opaque screen in between them.
18:57 So they can't see
18:58 and they have like a little mini living room.
19:00 So they'll have dates and play games
19:02 but they can never see each other.
19:03 So they date and date and date
19:05 and the only way they can see each other
19:07 is if they get engaged.
19:08 So it's all very extreme,
19:09 but it's all the premise of the social experiment
19:12 as they like to call it,
19:13 is that it kind of proves that love is blind
19:15 and looks don't matter.
19:16 But ironically, a lot of them don't stay together
19:18 once they see each other.
19:19 But yeah, it's quite an interesting show.
19:21 - Okay, so I've only ever really seen this on Gogglebox
19:25 and usually what they put on Gogglebox
19:26 is when there's some like humding
19:28 or if something happens, right?
19:29 So my question for you is,
19:31 I think anything I've ever seen,
19:32 they were actually quite good looking,
19:34 the people that were on it.
19:36 So I was a bit like, has this,
19:38 was the first episode,
19:39 like they were all like average to whatever,
19:43 maybe not, the whole premise is about looks really
19:47 when we, if we're honest, right?
19:49 So I don't wanna be sounding shallow,
19:51 but my question is over time,
19:53 have the contestants become more beautiful
19:56 and then it's just a, it's more of a competition.
19:58 - Traditionally attractive I think is the word.
20:00 - What's the word?
20:01 - Traditionally attractive.
20:03 - Traditionally attractive, thank you, Stephen.
20:05 Thank you, I'll try to remember that.
20:06 - That's a great term.
20:07 - Yeah, okay, so they've become
20:09 more traditionally attractive.
20:11 - Less unconventionally unattractive.
20:14 (laughing)
20:14 - Yeah, so would you agree with that, Jacob?
20:18 Have you watched enough series to comment?
20:20 - I've watched all the seasons so far
20:24 and I don't know, I mean,
20:25 I would probably say they're more traditionally attractive
20:27 towards the start,
20:29 but I do often say to my girlfriend when we watch it,
20:31 nobody in there, you know,
20:33 they're all relatively attractive.
20:34 It's not like they're gonna open the door
20:37 and be absolutely appalled or shocked at what they're seeing.
20:40 They're all relatively attractive people.
20:43 So yeah, it's a little bit silly that that's the premise,
20:45 but they're all, you know, pretty good looking people.
20:48 So this most recent season was season five.
20:51 And I mean, it was a little bit disappointing in some ways.
20:54 I won't go into it 'cause I don't wanna spoil it
20:56 for any listeners, but a little bit disappointing
20:58 in some ways.
20:59 But the big thing is that there's a guy and a girl
21:01 who knew each other on the outside and they came in there
21:04 and this is the first time it's ever happened,
21:05 is that they recognize each other's voices
21:07 and they'd actually dated about six months
21:09 before they'd entered the show.
21:11 So that was something that was really interesting.
21:13 And there's a lot of conflict that arises from that
21:16 and their new partners and kind of talking to each other's
21:20 new partners about what the older person was like.
21:23 And it just creates a whole lot where if it wasn't for that,
21:26 I think the show would be pretty rubbish this season.
21:28 But that has-
21:29 - Do you think the producers did that on purpose then?
21:32 I doubt they leave much to chance.
21:34 Like they probably interrogate them about who all their exes
21:36 are and everything to make sure that either does
21:38 or doesn't happen.
21:39 - Yeah, you'd think so.
21:42 But apparently they said that the producers had to sit down
21:44 and have a conversation once they realized and said,
21:47 are we gonna, 'cause this was on the Thursday,
21:48 they were apparently contemplating throwing them both out
21:51 and saying, this is gonna ruin the experiment.
21:53 But had a chat with them and both of them said,
21:55 well, we don't wanna rekindle anything
21:56 and we won't tell anyone in our quarters.
21:59 So they had to have an agreement that they couldn't,
22:01 for I think two or three weeks,
22:02 they couldn't tell anyone that they knew
22:04 who that other person was.
22:06 - Interesting, interesting.
22:07 But anyway, inevitably it still ended up leading
22:10 to a bit of conflict or whatever.
22:12 - Yeah, when it did arise and everyone found out,
22:16 it did lead to a lot of conflict.
22:17 But I think the producers are probably pretty happy with that
22:19 'cause if it wasn't for that, it would be pretty bad.
22:20 - Well, we're talking about it now.
22:22 So that makes that point, doesn't it?
22:23 - Yeah, so, okay, so how many series have there been?
22:26 Is that the, I'm gonna say third, am I right?
22:29 No?
22:29 - This is the fifth. - Oh, fifth, there you go.
22:31 Okay.
22:32 - Yeah, first came out February, 2020.
22:33 So just before we went into lockdown here.
22:35 And it's, yeah, there's one in Brazil now.
22:38 There's a Japanese edition.
22:39 - All right, so in general though, you would recommend it.
22:41 It's quite, you get.
22:43 - Oh, 100%.
22:44 If you go back to the, 'cause you can go back
22:46 and there's a couple of seasons that are just unbelievable.
22:49 - Really?
22:49 - So yeah, go back, watch the first season, I think it is.
22:52 And I wanna say the third season are unbelievable.
22:55 Yeah, you can go back, all of them are very interesting.
22:57 And if you like reality TV, you'll be absolutely.
22:59 - Okay, so first season and third season particularly.
23:02 Okay, excellent.
23:03 All right, I will, you know, I told you
23:05 I started watching Below Deck a few weeks ago,
23:07 but I've not, I kind of gave up on that.
23:09 So maybe this will be like my guilty watch
23:12 after this conversation.
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