A busy week for new film releases but we're still on top of the telly and some films! In what we've been watching Steven shares his disappointment in the new Indiana Jones flick - Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny but it's still Indy so we're gonna say it's worth a watch anyway. Alex talks about new BBC drama Champion which he is really enjoying and Kelly tells us about The Stranger, a film new to Netflix and really rather good.
Alex fills us in on what's going on with the actors' strike in LA and it's pretty clear there needs to be some change in the industry considering some of the basic support they are looking for.
On the 'deep dive' Alex tells us about new drama 'Fifteen Love' starring Aidan Turner and Ella Lily Hyland.
Steven shares web series classic 'Con Man' in 'back to the future' just in time for Comic-Con International in San Diego.
Alex fills us in on what's going on with the actors' strike in LA and it's pretty clear there needs to be some change in the industry considering some of the basic support they are looking for.
On the 'deep dive' Alex tells us about new drama 'Fifteen Love' starring Aidan Turner and Ella Lily Hyland.
Steven shares web series classic 'Con Man' in 'back to the future' just in time for Comic-Con International in San Diego.
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00:00 Hello and welcome to ScreenBabble,
00:01 your guide to what to watch.
00:02 We'll be tuning into hours and hours of TV
00:05 so we can tell you what to be switching on
00:07 and what's to be avoided.
00:09 I'm your host, Kelly Crichton,
00:10 and once again this week,
00:11 I'm joined by Alex Moreland and Stephen Ross,
00:13 our resident TV critics who go to extreme lengths
00:16 to bring you the latest in TV and film.
00:19 This week, they may even arm wrestle
00:21 to settle which film will be better,
00:23 Barbie or Oppenheimer.
00:25 If you haven't tuned in before,
00:26 each week we'll be chatting about what we're watching
00:28 as well as looking more closely at a new program
00:31 or something making the headlines in the deep dive.
00:34 Dive? Deep dive.
00:35 This week, Alex tells us about new tennis drama, 15 Love,
00:40 as well as bringing us an interview
00:42 with none other than Aidan Turner,
00:44 aka Paul Dirk, to many.
00:47 Finally, we go back to the future
00:48 to tell you about a program you may have missed
00:50 when it first aired or streamed.
00:52 This week, Stephen tells us about Con Men.
00:55 But first, we'd like to talk about
00:56 what we've been watching.
00:58 Stephen, do you want to go first?
01:00 - Yeah, absolutely.
01:01 - I love that chipper attitude.
01:06 - Yes, I'll go first.
01:08 I watched Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.
01:11 - Is that the really new one?
01:13 Is that the, no, is it?
01:15 - Yeah, yeah, it's the new one.
01:16 Yeah, not very good. - Is it a cinema?
01:18 - Yeah. - Is it a cinema?
01:19 Oh, I didn't realize.
01:20 Okay, sorry. (laughs)
01:21 - Yeah, no, I watched that.
01:23 - Not very good.
01:25 - No.
01:26 - As in comparing it to other Indiana Jones or?
01:29 - Well, it was better than Crystal Skull, just about.
01:32 You know how the first Indiana Jones movie,
01:35 there's that famous thing where
01:36 if Indiana Jones hadn't been there,
01:38 the Nazis still would have just got the Ark of the Covenant
01:41 and melted their faces, so he didn't really do anything.
01:44 Same thing here.
01:45 If Indiana Jones hadn't been in the movie,
01:48 the bad guys still would have defeated themselves
01:50 through their own stupidity.
01:51 So. - Okay, okay.
01:53 - I don't know if that was a homage, but.
01:55 - Is that kind of a nod to the fact
01:56 that he's an archeologist and not a superhero, though?
01:58 Is that the kind of, you know?
01:59 - Maybe, but it also was a totally self-defeating film.
02:04 - Yeah. - Isn't it?
02:05 - Yeah.
02:06 - It was just a bit silly and a bit,
02:09 I mean, I've always thought this
02:10 about the Indiana Jones films,
02:11 is that they're a bit too suspension of disbelief-y
02:14 and a bit too fast and furious in their sense of physics.
02:19 - I feel like maybe you shouldn't have bothered with it,
02:22 to be honest with you.
02:23 - Yeah, it was relatively fun.
02:24 Phoebe Waller-Bridge was pretty good in it.
02:26 - Oh, yeah.
02:27 - The de-aging on Harrison Ford was quite good.
02:32 The main problem I had with it
02:33 was that the first 20 minutes,
02:34 the opening scene was, I thought, pretty fantastic.
02:37 - Mm.
02:38 - And then it never-- - It was downhill from there.
02:40 - Yeah, it never lived up to that again.
02:42 - Oh, boo.
02:43 So what's the full title of it, this one?
02:45 - "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny."
02:48 - Okay, all right.
02:50 I probably still would watch it, though,
02:51 'cause it's Indiana Jones, you know what I mean?
02:53 - Yeah, and when it goes like,
02:55 ♪ Da da da da ♪
02:56 - Yeah.
02:57 - Then you're like, oh, fucking hell, yeah.
02:59 - Yay, yay.
02:59 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:01 - Okay, fair enough.
03:02 - Did you ever watch the-- - The trailer.
03:03 - The TV show version?
03:05 Where he said, "Oh, that would have been a good
03:07 "Back to the Future tie-in."
03:09 - Well, maybe-- - What?
03:11 - "Young Indiana." - "Young Indiana."
03:13 Yeah, oh my God, I loved that when I was a teenager.
03:16 Oh my God.
03:18 Yeah, weird.
03:19 That's weird, I forgot it even existed.
03:21 Okay, cool.
03:22 Right, over to you, Alex.
03:23 What have you been watching?
03:25 - A lot of the usual stuff, everyone can guess.
03:27 Still "Hotline Catchfire," nearly done with it,
03:29 but spacing it out some more.
03:31 But so I would have something new to talk about.
03:35 I started watching "Champion" last night,
03:37 which is on BBC One.
03:40 It is a drama about these two siblings.
03:45 They're two musicians.
03:47 One of them is very much in the limelight,
03:50 the other one is his kind of underappreciated,
03:54 unofficial manager, I suppose.
03:57 And eventually she just sort of starts getting sick
04:02 of being so underappreciated by him
04:04 and starts trying to launch her own music career.
04:08 It's really good, I really enjoyed it.
04:11 So sort of a solid start to the series.
04:14 I think, yeah, no, it gets the sort of the dynamic
04:19 between the two siblings is very well done, I thought.
04:22 Strong performances, yeah, enjoying that.
04:26 - Cool, where's that on BBC One?
04:28 - Yeah, it's on, I play eight episodes.
04:31 It's by Candice Carty-Williams, who is a novelist,
04:34 and this is her first kind of TV show.
04:36 And I've also been watching "Dreaming Whilst Black,"
04:41 which is gonna be on BBC Three next week,
04:44 but I am not sure if I can say anything about that yet.
04:47 I should have checked.
04:49 - Okay, maybe give us an update on that next week.
04:52 - It's one you should have in your calendars.
04:53 Let's put it like that.
04:56 - Nice, okay.
04:57 - Yeah, I think that's good.
04:58 Those are the main ones for me recently.
05:00 - Yeah, similar, I've been kind of just trundling along
05:04 with "Taboo" and "The Neuron,"
05:06 and I watched a film at the weekend,
05:09 "The Stranger" on Netflix.
05:11 Have either of you seen it?
05:12 It's Australian sort of crime thriller.
05:17 It stars Joel Edgerton and Sean Harris,
05:19 and Sean Harris, I feel, is one of those actors
05:23 that kind of flies under the radar,
05:24 but he's so good in this.
05:26 Oh my God, so good.
05:28 It borders on like a horror at points,
05:32 'cause it's quite creepy,
05:34 but it's the story of this kid that goes missing.
05:37 I think it's set in 2010,
05:40 and the child went missing in like 2002,
05:43 based on "True Story,"
05:44 and it's like a big undercover operation
05:47 to find the person who kidnapped this kid
05:50 and presumably killed this kid.
05:52 And it's quite heavy, quite dark,
05:57 but it'll really keep you enthralled.
06:00 And that thing where you've like,
06:03 well, I do it all the time,
06:04 where I have to hide my eyes,
06:06 'cause you're scared of what's gonna happen.
06:08 And they build the tension really well in it,
06:11 'cause our main character,
06:13 who's the undercover cop, has a child as well.
06:15 And obviously that kind of accentuates
06:16 the whole missing child thing.
06:18 And because he's undercover,
06:19 he's kind of in danger all the time.
06:21 And anyway, I was really pleasantly surprised
06:24 with it, I had never heard of it before.
06:26 I think it was in Cannes last year,
06:28 and it's come to Netflix really quickly.
06:30 And it's not a super long film,
06:33 it's like an hour and a half, hour and 40,
06:34 so would highly recommend that
06:36 for anybody who's looking for a decent watch.
06:39 Very heavy though, not light.
06:42 - So yes, just before we move on
06:45 to the deep dive, Alex,
06:46 will you talk to us a little bit
06:47 about what's happening with the actors strike in LA,
06:51 because it's kind of all kicked off since last week.
06:54 So just so listeners have an idea
06:56 of what it's all about.
06:57 - So a lot of it is,
07:00 it's all kind of basic working condition stuff.
07:03 The SAG-AFTRA board released this kind of list
07:09 of their negotiating positions
07:11 and the responses they got from the AMPTP,
07:15 which is the collection of producers
07:17 and sort of companies that they were negotiating with.
07:20 And a lot of it is things like healthcare, pensions,
07:26 but also things like sort of adequate provision
07:31 of like water on set.
07:32 And yeah, yeah. - Oh God, are you serious?
07:36 - So there was a thing going around
07:39 about sort of meal breaks on long shoots,
07:42 that kind of thing.
07:43 So, 'cause the way it works at the minute
07:47 is there is a penalty if a shoot goes on too long
07:51 and without giving them a meal break,
07:53 but that's like a flat fee.
07:56 So you get a lot of productions that will,
08:00 once they've gone over,
08:01 they'll just keep going 'cause they're like,
08:03 oh, well, we've already paid the 200 quid or whatever it is.
08:06 There's other stuff like-
08:08 - It's a bit grim, isn't it?
08:09 - Like self-tapes,
08:11 which is something the actors wanna try and get away from.
08:14 That is when they're sort of auditioning at home,
08:16 like this, kind of over Zoom or whatever,
08:21 which was introduced in COVID.
08:22 And the feeling is that that sort of studio
08:24 is putting a lot of the cost that goes into auditioning,
08:29 just shoving that onto the actors,
08:31 and which is unreasonable to us and to bear.
08:35 - And also potentially undermines their performance
08:39 than what they were given in person or whatever.
08:42 - That was one of the other things.
08:42 It was like, can you make sure we're given
08:45 X amount of information about the show before the audition?
08:48 And it was just like, no.
08:49 Looking through it, a lot of it is just like rejected,
08:54 rejected, acknowledged that we take ages to pay you on time,
08:58 but we're not gonna change that, rejected, that kind of thing.
09:00 - Oh, God, yeah.
09:03 - 'Cause a lot of this is about not your sort of
09:06 George Clooney's big stars, but the kind of-
09:08 - Of course, jobbing actors.
09:10 - Even in the background.
09:12 The sort of the things that have got the most attention,
09:16 I guess, is residual payments, which is when...
09:19 So an actor has been in something,
09:22 they've been in it once, they're paid for it once.
09:24 Every time it's repeated, they should be paid for again,
09:27 which is a big part of how,
09:30 between auditions, how they pay for things.
09:33 That is, a lot of the previous strikes have been about that.
09:37 So about maintaining residual payments for DVDs
09:41 when those came in, that kind of thing.
09:43 It's very much an issue that the likes of Netflix
09:46 will take advantage, basically,
09:48 and not pay proper residuals,
09:51 or they'll really kind of squeeze it down.
09:53 They're very opaque with their sort of viewing data
09:56 to make sure people don't find out.
09:58 One of the "Orange is the New Black" actors
10:01 posted a video of their paycheck.
10:05 So they were like, "Oh, look, here's every episode.
10:08 Oh my God, I'm gonna get such a big payment from this."
10:11 And for the entirety of the series
10:13 being streamed on Netflix for the past,
10:16 whatever it is, the past month, the past quarter,
10:18 all around the world, 27 cents for the full series.
10:22 Yeah, so it is. - Wow.
10:24 - And that's one of the sort of headline stars.
10:27 And then the other thing, which has kind of become an issue,
10:32 I think more than anyone was necessarily expecting
10:35 is the sort of the AI performances thing.
10:38 - Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
10:42 Where they're kind of contriving their performances
10:44 out of the footage. - Yeah, yeah.
10:45 So at war, generating it entirely.
10:47 So- - Wow.
10:49 Yeah, that must be terrifying for actors,
10:51 like anyone using their voice or their face or whatever
10:55 in what they're doing.
10:55 And that runs the whole sort of spectrum from,
11:00 you know, like the big stars being brought back to life
11:04 after they're dead.
11:05 The Flash recently was terrible for that.
11:09 And they had one character that was played by no one
11:14 because it was just a CGI amalgamation of different people.
11:18 But then it also goes all the way down
11:21 to the background actors again.
11:24 There was talk of sort of on the first day
11:26 a background actor comes to set, they'll be scanned once
11:30 and that's it.
11:30 They can be populated in the background ongoing forever.
11:34 - Oh God.
11:35 - Which would be a huge issue for them.
11:36 - Oh dear.
11:37 - Yeah, so that's the strike.
11:39 - Yeah, it's difficult because it's an industry
11:42 that's in such demand.
11:44 You know, everybody wants to be an actor or an actress
11:47 or whatever in LA.
11:49 And there's someone lined up right behind you
11:52 if you won't do the things
11:53 and if you won't toe the line, you know,
11:54 so it's terrible that they have those.
11:58 What seemed like quite a few of those
11:59 are quite basic conditions really.
12:02 So more power to them.
12:03 But we may be, as I said on the previous episode,
12:06 we might be doing a lot more Back to the Future
12:07 come autumn, winter.
12:10 Cool, thank you for that, Alex.
12:11 So moving along swiftly, we are gonna talk about 15 Love,
12:16 which is the new tennis drama.
12:17 And when I hear the words tennis drama, I think,
12:20 hmm, maybe not.
12:23 Tell us, yes, give us a little summary
12:24 and then we'll hear from the lovely Aidan Turner.
12:27 - The lovely Aidan Turner and Ella Lillie Hyland,
12:29 who is the other of the two leads.
12:32 We've got both of them, which is very nice.
12:34 - Excellent, excellent, excellent.
12:36 - Yes, so it is about the relationship
12:40 between a coach and a player.
12:42 This is sort of that kind of very high level elite tennis.
12:47 - Based in America or UK or where's it based?
12:51 - Okay.
12:52 - I don't want to say Wimbledon
12:54 because I don't believe that to be correct.
12:57 As many people will know,
13:02 I am not massively up to date with sports and things.
13:05 In French, yeah, that sounds right.
13:09 I had lots of-
13:10 - Sports and things.
13:11 - Sports and things.
13:12 Anything that's not television.
13:14 I was sending Susanna a lot of very basic questions
13:19 about like, so what does ATP stand for
13:22 and why is the court red and not green?
13:25 What does that mean?
13:26 - Oh, bliss.
13:28 - Why does Susanna love me?
13:30 - Yeah, that I did work out on my own.
13:32 - Gradually.
13:33 - So that's actually a good opportunity to mention
13:35 that Susanna, who is one of the sports reporters
13:38 on National World,
13:39 she will be joining Screen Bible next week
13:42 and you'd probably hear a lot more about sport as a result.
13:45 So that'd be good.
13:47 But yes, Susanna to the rescue for you.
13:49 There, Alex.
13:50 So she was giving you all the tips.
13:52 - So yeah, anyway, it's about this tennis prodigy.
13:54 Her name is Justine.
13:56 She's kind of very close to the top of her game.
13:59 She has an injury that kind of ends her career.
14:02 Five years later, she is working as a physiotherapist
14:06 at this kind of elite tennis school.
14:09 Newly appointed at the school is her former coach
14:14 who was played by Aidan Turner, who his name is Glenn.
14:18 And she is not thrilled to see him back.
14:22 And then after, sort of after he's kind of
14:27 takes up the job at the school,
14:29 she alleges that he had had
14:31 an inappropriate relationship with her
14:33 while she was this kind of young tennis prodigy.
14:36 And so it goes from there,
14:40 I think is the extent of what I'm allowed to say about it.
14:44 - So not so much tennis then?
14:47 - Tennis is kind of the backdrop to that dynamic,
14:52 but it does, I'd say it kind of informs it a lot
14:55 because it's very much about that sort of
14:57 high tension environment and also the individuality of it
15:01 compared to other sports.
15:03 I think, I would say that Ella Lillie Highland as Justine
15:10 is a fantastic performance.
15:13 And just trying to think what I can say,
15:17 there was a specific worry I had going into it,
15:21 which it addressed very well and surpassed my expectations.
15:27 So I was pleased with it on those grounds,
15:30 but I don't think I can tell you what that is.
15:34 - Okay, can you tell us where and when it's on, et cetera?
15:38 - Amazon Prime Video from Friday, the 21st of July.
15:42 - That was great, thank you, Alex.
15:43 That's gonna be available on nationalworld.com as well.
15:46 The full interview that you can read there as well.
15:49 Okay, cool.
15:50 Right, Stephen, this program you're going to talk about
15:54 on Back to the Future, Con Men,
15:55 I have never heard of before until you mentioned it.
15:59 So tell us, I'm excited about it.
16:02 - It's one of the most probably lesser known shows
16:06 that I've done for Back to the Future.
16:08 I'm wondering if Alex-
16:09 - You have beaten me for once.
16:11 That was completely new to me.
16:13 - So let's give him a little hint.
16:15 So the con may stand for Comic Con.
16:18 - I did put that much together on my own.
16:20 - Oh God, okay.
16:22 Got you, you're just so clever, Alex.
16:24 - I did this to tie in loosely with San Diego Comic Con,
16:29 which will be on when this goes out.
16:32 - If any of the extras are working and going, et cetera,
16:37 they might be known there.
16:39 - They have been asked not to promote things.
16:41 So no interviews, no connections,
16:43 no retweets and podcasts.
16:45 - Oh no.
16:46 - So Con Men was a web series
16:52 that came out over two seasons in 2015 and 2017.
16:56 It was crowdfunded by the stars
16:59 and it stars Alan Tudyik,
17:01 who is probably best known for playing Wash in Firefly.
17:07 And it also stars Nathan Fillion,
17:10 who's obviously well-known for playing the captain
17:12 in Firefly as well as Castle in Castle.
17:16 And they crowdfunded this show
17:18 because it was kind of, I guess, a passion project.
17:22 And Alan Tudyik plays...
17:26 And Alan Tudyik plays Ray Neely.
17:33 I think that's his name.
17:34 And he's a guy that used to star
17:38 in this cancelled sci-fi series
17:41 that was like a big cult series
17:43 that became really popular after it was cancelled
17:45 and has like a big cult fan base
17:47 at these Comic-Con events and things like that.
17:51 So he's obviously very much inspired
17:53 by his time on Firefly,
17:54 which was obviously cancelled after one season
17:57 and became a massive cult show in the years since,
18:00 and which also will appear on Back to the Future
18:02 at some point in the coming weeks.
18:06 So it basically follows Neely
18:10 as he sort of deals with being a sort of like a has-been
18:15 who has this, like these adoring fans,
18:19 but they're like sometimes borderline obsessive.
18:22 They only know him as his character.
18:25 They want him to sign all of their merchandise.
18:29 And then on the other hand, Nathan Fillion's character,
18:32 who doesn't play himself in this,
18:35 he plays like a different sci-fi star,
18:37 has become like an A-list movie star off the back of it.
18:41 So there's sort of a little bit of envy there as well,
18:45 but they sort of maintain their friendship throughout.
18:47 And then you also, you weirdly have like Leslie Jordan,
18:51 who was in Will & Grace.
18:53 He's playing himself,
18:55 but his character as Leslie Jordan
19:00 is a straight man who pretends to be gay to get women.
19:04 (laughing)
19:05 - Okay.
19:06 - And you have Lou Farringo,
19:07 who played the Incredible Hulk in the original series.
19:10 He plays himself in it.
19:12 And Sean Astin, who, anybody know Sean Astin?
19:15 - Yeah, he's 90s heartthrob.
19:17 - Little Al Pacino.
19:18 - Yeah.
19:19 - Samwise Gamgee in Lord of the Rings.
19:22 He plays himself in this as well.
19:24 And again, they have the similar issues,
19:28 like everyone knows him as Samwise,
19:31 but he seems to-
19:32 - Are they kind of on the circuit then?
19:34 Is that the idea or?
19:36 - Yeah. - Okay.
19:37 - Yeah, it's sort of told through like,
19:39 because it was a web series,
19:40 it's like 10 to 15 minute episodes.
19:42 And each, can I still there?
19:46 - Yeah, yeah.
19:48 - Cool.
19:50 So it's like 10 to 15 minute episodes
19:53 and there's 13 episodes in the first series
19:55 and it's broke down into like four
19:57 semi self-contained story arcs.
20:00 And then the second season is 12 episodes long as well.
20:03 And it starts with nearly in the toilet at a convention
20:10 and a fan at either side of him
20:14 and they realize who he is.
20:16 And then like, they start throwing things
20:18 underneath the cubicle for him to sign
20:20 and he just wants to crap in peace.
20:22 And it's sort of all of that thing.
20:26 But yeah, it's interesting.
20:28 It's not super funny.
20:31 - I guess there's a certain element of like,
20:35 it's just that sort of cringy situation
20:37 that those people are in
20:37 where they're forever tied into these characters
20:40 they've played because of the obsession around them.
20:42 And they need to leverage that for,
20:46 if they've not been successful since for money.
20:49 And at the same, so it's a love hate thing, isn't it?
20:52 It's like being a big band
20:54 and you have to play the one famous song
20:57 every time you play a gig and TV, et cetera.
21:00 So yeah, go ahead.
21:02 - Well, it's interesting because like Nathan Fillion
21:05 isn't, I wouldn't call him an A-lister,
21:07 but he's definitely in real life become more famous
21:10 than Alan Tudjic, I would say.
21:12 Like I would still recognize Tudjic more from Firefly
21:17 than from anything else, maybe from Dodgeball.
21:20 Whereas Nathan Fillion obviously had massive success
21:23 with Castle and has been in a few more
21:26 sort of bigger things.
21:27 So it is interesting how he's like leaned into that
21:31 to make the show and, you know,
21:33 in sort of tongue in cheek,
21:35 like accepted his station in life.
21:37 - How does it compare to like Staged
21:41 and like episodes and stuff?
21:43 Sounds like a similar kind of vibe.
21:45 - Yeah, it's similar kind of thing.
21:47 Staged I think is, well,
21:51 Staged probably had a lot more resources, I guess.
21:56 And they're like more flesh out episodes.
21:58 And I think Staged is definitely better
22:02 and just a better watch and definitely funnier.
22:06 But the cameos in both are like really good.
22:10 You know how like Ross Kemp's cameo in Staged
22:12 is like, and Ian McKellen's,
22:14 like Sean Astin and Lou Fringo and Leslie Jordan.
22:18 They're great when they do their bits.
22:21 - So is it still only available online
22:24 or where can you watch it?
22:25 - Amazon Prime Video, it got released
22:28 on to recently, I believe.
22:30 But it's on there now, yeah.
22:32 - So, and it was one series.
22:35 - Two series.
22:36 - Sorry, two series, okay.
22:37 - 25 episodes of two series.
22:39 - And what year was it made?
22:42 - 2015 and 2017.
22:44 - So it's done, you reckon, finished?
22:46 - Oh yeah, yeah.
22:47 - Cool.
22:48 - It probably got canceled.
22:49 - It sounds different.
22:50 So yeah, and very digestible in those kind of
22:54 time lengths, so that's really good.
22:56 Okay, thanks for that.
22:57 And I'm sure anyone who's interested
22:59 in the Comic-Con goings-ons would see value
23:03 in watching that, so cool, okay.
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