The first week of the new regime is here and Kelly and Steven are joined by Paul Trainer, Editor of Glasgow to join us as guest host. Steven tells us about the anime series he's been watching Attack on Titan (Crunchy Roll), which he is enjoying very much. He also watched Bad Times at the El Royale (Disney +) - not so happy with this one. Paul is keeping up with the new series of Only Murders in the Building(Disney+), he's enjoying 'appointment' television. He's also been catching up on Ashoka(Disney+) but the continuing expansion of the Star Wars universe is challenging.
Kelly seems to have spent the whole week watching television but tells us more about Channel 4 documentary London Bridge: Facing Terror which covers the terror attack in 2017. A very interesting and challenging documentary which sees the people involved in the attack share their story on screen.
Steven takes us through Classic Movies: The Story Of on the 'deep dive' a new series to Sky Arts which basically does what it says on the tin. Paul suggests The Movies that Made Us on Netflix as an alternative.
Paul tells us about Taggart on 'back to the future' as it celebrates its 40th birthday this week, available in lots of places including ITVX.
Kelly seems to have spent the whole week watching television but tells us more about Channel 4 documentary London Bridge: Facing Terror which covers the terror attack in 2017. A very interesting and challenging documentary which sees the people involved in the attack share their story on screen.
Steven takes us through Classic Movies: The Story Of on the 'deep dive' a new series to Sky Arts which basically does what it says on the tin. Paul suggests The Movies that Made Us on Netflix as an alternative.
Paul tells us about Taggart on 'back to the future' as it celebrates its 40th birthday this week, available in lots of places including ITVX.
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00:16 Stephen Ross is here with me again this week.
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00:23 and Scottish crime drama enthusiast,
00:26 Mr. Paul Treanor.
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00:57 or something making the headlines in the deep dive.
00:59 Previously, Alex Moreland's Territory,
01:01 Stephen is stepping up to the plate
01:03 to take over this week.
01:04 Finally, we go back to the future
01:06 to tell you about a program you may have missed
01:07 when it first aired or streamed.
01:09 This week, Paul joins us as guest host
01:11 to talk about the legend that is Taggart,
01:14 which is celebrating its 40th birthday.
01:17 But first, we like to talk about
01:18 what everyone has been watching recently.
01:20 Stephen, tell me what's been on.
01:24 - I've been watching a little bit of Attack on Titan,
01:28 which is like a big anime series.
01:31 And I normally can't stand anime.
01:34 - Really?
01:35 I would have thought that was kind of up your street,
01:37 actually, you like a bit of anime in general.
01:39 - The big ones I try, like the Studio Ghibli movies.
01:41 And I mean, Spirit Away is fairly good.
01:44 But recently I saw Your Name,
01:47 which was a really good anime film.
01:48 And I thought, well, I'll give Attack on Titan a try
01:50 because it's supposed to be like
01:52 one of the best series of that genre.
01:54 And it is so far really, really, really, really good.
01:57 There's about 130 episodes.
01:59 I'm not very far in at the minute, but.
02:01 - Okay, so it's long running then, is it?
02:03 It's been out for quite a while.
02:04 - And it is very, very anime in what it does.
02:07 It's basically a group of like,
02:10 sort of medieval styled people
02:12 living behind these really tall walls.
02:14 And then these Titan, like giants,
02:19 smash their way through the walls
02:20 that were meant to protect them.
02:22 And that's sort of how it starts.
02:24 And then it's a big sort of like,
02:26 humanity tries to fight back
02:27 against this huge menace sort of.
02:31 - Sounds a bit Game of Thrones-y, doesn't it?
02:34 - Yeah, a little bit.
02:35 But just very much more manga anime style.
02:40 - Is it still running?
02:43 Is it still being produced?
02:45 - I believe it's still running,
02:47 either that or it ended recently.
02:49 And it's on Crunchyroll,
02:52 which is like a free ad-supported streaming service for-
02:56 - Oh. - That is definitely
02:57 a new one for me.
02:58 That sounds like something you'd have for lunch.
03:01 - Crunchyroll. - I think the only thing,
03:02 the only thing I've used it for is Attack on Titan,
03:05 but it is just for all your anime needs.
03:09 - Okay, right.
03:10 Is it specifically all anime or is there other stuff?
03:12 - Yeah, pretty sure it's all anime.
03:14 - Okay.
03:16 Tell us the name of the actual-
03:18 - Attack on Titan.
03:20 - Attack on Titan, so strong recommend.
03:22 Okay, anything else?
03:24 - I gave Bad Times at the El Royale a go,
03:28 the Jeff Bridges film that came out in like 2018 sort of time,
03:33 Jeff Bridges, Jon Hamm.
03:35 Huge disappointment.
03:37 I thought it was okay still,
03:38 but it looked like it had so much potential.
03:43 I don't know if you guys have seen it.
03:45 - No, I haven't. - I remember when it came out,
03:46 being very excited.
03:48 It had like a really tight premise and an excellent trailer.
03:51 And then I didn't even make it through the first 20 minutes,
03:54 I don't think. - Oh, no.
03:55 - It was a mess, a mess for me.
03:58 - And it's long as well.
03:59 It's like two and a half hours.
04:01 And I think it could have been a really good 90-minute
04:04 sort of thriller.
04:06 It's clearly inspired by like Quentin Tarantino,
04:10 like the Reservoir Dogs.
04:11 I think Hateful Eight might have come out after,
04:13 but it's very similar to Hateful Eight,
04:15 except the payoff is,
04:19 the execution's just not there.
04:21 They get rid of the most interesting character
04:24 very early doors.
04:25 Yeah, sort of every act along the way,
04:30 it sort of went in the wrong direction
04:33 and got worse as a result, if that makes sense.
04:36 Stylistically, it looks very good.
04:38 The acting's pretty spot on,
04:40 but the writing, I think, really let it down, unfortunately.
04:44 - Do like a bit of Jeff Bridges.
04:47 Where did you watch that?
04:48 - Well, I watched it on Disney+,
04:50 but I wouldn't necessarily recommend anyone else.
04:52 - Fair enough.
04:54 Fair enough, fair enough.
04:54 All right, so Paul, over to you.
04:56 What have you been watching?
04:57 Besides those at Taggart, obviously.
05:00 - Last night, I was watching the latest episode
05:04 of Only Murders in the Building.
05:06 - Oh, you're way ahead of me.
05:07 I'm only in the first series still.
05:09 - It's quite fun that streaming service
05:12 still kind of have appointment television.
05:15 You know, as much as I love demolishing a box set worth
05:19 of episodes over a weekend and things like that,
05:24 or just inhaling series to kind of catch up
05:27 when a new one comes out,
05:28 the fact that they're releasing an episode every Tuesday,
05:30 it actually makes it very fun.
05:31 - I didn't realize that.
05:32 So it's coming out kind of linear.
05:34 That's great, yeah.
05:35 I am a big fan of that because,
05:37 as I'm forever telling everybody,
05:39 I tend to watch one of each program each week,
05:42 and I am the person that will take months
05:44 to finish a series.
05:47 Very old-style-y, but I just like it.
05:48 I like to space it out.
05:50 I like the delayed gratification thing about it, you know?
05:53 So yeah, so where are you now?
05:55 Sort of halfway through series three, is it?
05:58 - Episode five of series three already,
06:01 and because it is kind of shorter episodes,
06:05 it's a little bite-sized kind of fun.
06:07 - Manageable, yeah.
06:09 - Puzzle-laden, and very kind of,
06:13 it does hark back to a different era.
06:16 You've got Martin Short and Steve Martin
06:18 doing what they've been doing since the '80s,
06:20 and a lot of the humor is a bit daft and funny
06:23 and often a bit physical.
06:25 - And it kind of acknowledges itself
06:27 in the fact that Steve Martin's character
06:29 is a kind of washed-up TV actor as well,
06:31 and it's kind of like poking fun at himself,
06:33 but at us as well for being like,
06:35 oh, we used to watch him years ago, you know?
06:37 So that's cool as well.
06:38 I really find it endearing.
06:40 I really enjoy watching it, actually.
06:41 It's so easy, so light, isn't it?
06:44 - Yeah, it's got a nice tone to it,
06:46 and Selena Gomez is excellent in it.
06:48 Meryl Streep turns up in this season.
06:50 - Oh, yeah. - All rugs as well.
06:54 So yeah, they're rolling out all the stars.
06:56 - The big ones. - I think it's a nice one,
06:58 and it's on Disney+ if anyone wants to check that out.
07:02 Also, I've been trying Ahsoka,
07:05 which is the new Star Wars television series.
07:07 - Oh, we mentioned it last week, yeah.
07:09 Yeah, go ahead.
07:11 - So the third episode dropped.
07:13 Again, they're doing it in a linear fashion
07:15 with appointment television.
07:16 The third episode dropped today.
07:17 I haven't watched that yet,
07:18 but from the first two episodes,
07:20 it seems promising in terms of the acting
07:23 and the attempt to kind of create a,
07:27 it's almost like a,
07:28 it is almost like a detective series as well, element.
07:31 You know, like they tend to kind of drop
07:33 into different genres within the Star Wars universe,
07:37 and this feels a bit kind of like, you know,
07:40 piecing together a puzzle as the search
07:43 for a long lost admiral from the empire.
07:46 The only concern for me is I didn't grow up
07:51 with the animated series that was the precursor
07:55 for this live action version,
07:57 and a lot of the scenes and the setups
08:00 and just the visuals seem like it's ultimately
08:05 fan service rather than progressing the story.
08:09 So I'm sure that if people had grown up watching Rebels
08:13 and other series, they will be, you know.
08:18 - More affinity with it.
08:21 - Yeah, just like super impressed by the visuals,
08:24 but for me, just coming new to this aspect
08:26 of the Star Wars universe,
08:27 I'm yet to be fully immersed, I suppose.
08:32 But you know, it's got promise.
08:35 - Okay, so where is that?
08:38 That's Disney, obviously, as well.
08:39 - Yeah, that's Disney+.
08:41 - Cool.
08:42 I actually seem to watch loads of television this week.
08:44 I watched a documentary last week on Channel 4
08:47 called London Bridge Facing Terror.
08:49 Did either of you hear about this?
08:50 - I heard about it, but I've not seen it.
08:53 - I just happened across it, actually,
08:55 which is kind of nice 'cause it rarely happens these days.
08:57 You just happen across something
08:58 and you actually watch the whole thing.
09:00 But obviously a documentary about the London Bridge
09:02 at terror attack that happened a few years ago,
09:05 and it was the three guys.
09:07 Do you recall three guys kind of tackled the attacker
09:10 and out on the street?
09:13 It was those three guys
09:15 that were essentially being interviewed for the documentary
09:18 and a few other people,
09:21 like the family members of the victims
09:23 and a few people that knew the terror,
09:27 the attacker as well.
09:29 And they had footage from the actual,
09:31 you know, they were at this conference that day,
09:33 all of them, which was about sort of looking at,
09:37 you know, integrating prisoners into society
09:41 and having different ways of sort of rehabilitating prisoners
09:44 and a much more liberal sort of look
09:47 at how we can manage punishment, as it were,
09:51 and imprisonment and that kind of thing.
09:54 So I think if you just want to have a,
09:57 it throws up so many questions, this documentary,
10:00 about how we treat our prisoners,
10:02 how we look at sort of forgiveness.
10:05 They didn't answer all the questions.
10:06 They posed a lot of questions.
10:08 It's quite long.
10:09 I think it's about an hour and a half,
10:10 but it's definitely worth a watch because,
10:12 and it's heartbreaking.
10:12 It's so sad.
10:13 And you hear from the families of the victims,
10:16 one of which was a really young guy
10:18 who was kind of campaigning
10:19 for this more liberal sort of justice system.
10:23 And his father is interviewed on it.
10:26 And he talks about how in the days following the attacks,
10:28 Boris came out about, you know, stronger,
10:31 longer sentences and all this.
10:32 And he was saying that was the exact opposite
10:34 of what his son would have wanted, you know.
10:36 And it's heartbreaking, the whole thing.
10:38 Very interesting.
10:39 Very good, I thought.
10:41 Finnish painkiller, which is the opioid crisis,
10:45 new series on Netflix.
10:46 Very good.
10:47 Really enjoyed it.
10:49 Uzo Aduba is in it, who was in Orange is the New Black.
10:51 She's really good.
10:52 And so is Wes Dukovny, who is David Dukovny's daughter.
10:57 And she was quite good.
10:59 And I'll talk about this maybe next week,
11:02 but I finished And Just Like That as well,
11:04 which was full of cameos as well, this series,
11:07 which I have to admit, I did enjoy.
11:10 And I started Woman in the Wall last night,
11:12 which I will talk about next week as well.
11:13 But that looks really good.
11:15 And it's really macabre.
11:16 And it's tackling a really difficult, interesting subject.
11:20 And yeah, Ruth Wilson is great.
11:23 So I'll come back to that next week
11:24 because otherwise we're going to be here for half an hour.
11:27 And we've spent lots of time talking about all that already.
11:30 Okay, so over to you, Stephen.
11:32 We're going to talk about a new series
11:34 called Classic Movies, the story of,
11:38 this is coming to Sky Arts, tell us.
11:39 - Yeah, it's something a bit different.
11:41 It's not a drama series.
11:43 It's a documentary series about different,
11:46 well, classic films.
11:48 And it's basically an episodic thing
11:51 where each episode looks at a different classic movie.
11:54 So you have the third man and then the lady killers,
11:59 the graduate, Ran, Brighton Rock,
12:02 and Terminator 2, Judgment Day.
12:04 And then each episode is sort of a dissection of the film,
12:08 how it was made, the sort of impact that it had
12:10 and its legacy, I guess.
12:12 And I'm obviously a big sort of film nerd.
12:16 - Film buff.
12:16 - Kind of right up my street.
12:18 It'll be airing from today, actually,
12:22 when this goes out Thursday, the 31st at 8 p.m.
12:25 on Sky Arts, and then running at the same time weekly.
12:28 And that'll be, the films I listed
12:29 will be sort of running that order.
12:32 - It was good.
12:34 - But it definitely could have been a podcast.
12:37 (laughing)
12:39 Terminator 2 was the one that most warranted,
12:43 I guess, it being televised,
12:46 because a lot of Terminator 2 was talking
12:48 about the pioneering special effects in it.
12:51 - Yeah. - A lot of examples
12:52 from the film of how some of the,
12:56 like the CGI firsts came about
12:59 and how it led to, you know, Jurassic Park, et cetera.
13:02 But the third man and the others definitely
13:08 didn't benefit at all, I don't think, from the,
13:11 especially, you're only likely to watch this show
13:16 if you've seen the films anyway, right?
13:17 - That's what I was thinking, yeah.
13:18 Or else you'd want to be like a serious film buff
13:20 and would you have not seen those films
13:21 if you weren't a serious film buff?
13:22 - Yeah. - Is the question.
13:23 Yeah. - The scenes they're talking
13:24 about, you already know.
13:26 And I get partly, you know, the third man,
13:31 it's difficult to get Orson Welles on to talk about it
13:34 'cause he died, however long it was.
13:37 But, you know, Terminator 2,
13:39 they don't have any of the cast,
13:40 they don't have James Cameron on.
13:44 So it's film critics and, you know,
13:48 special effects experts and stuff.
13:51 But there's not really anyone
13:53 with a huge direct connection to the films
13:56 in question that are on the show.
13:58 - Is it more of a deconstruction of the film itself
14:01 and the influence it had
14:03 rather than the kind of stories behind it?
14:05 - Yeah, more so.
14:06 With Terminator 2, they go a lot into how it was made
14:09 and it's a lot more of the technical aspect.
14:12 And I guess the third man has a lot of that as well,
14:15 but it's more talking about it as a genre film.
14:18 The third man one, I do like the film, The Third Man,
14:20 but the deconstruction of it, it's just quite...
14:26 - Superficial?
14:28 - It's not very exciting the way they've done it.
14:31 - Is it all positive or is there any sort of, you know...
14:36 - It's all positive. - Yeah.
14:38 - But it's all quite muted.
14:39 You have like a dusty film critic
14:45 sat across from an interviewer
14:47 and that's sort of...
14:49 - Yeah, just talking heads basically.
14:51 - Yeah. - Yeah.
14:52 And again, it's like, why did this need to be filmed?
14:54 It's definitely something that's been...
14:55 - It's very Sky Arts though, isn't it?
14:57 Like that's quite...
14:58 - Yeah, and I don't obviously watch a lot of Sky Arts stuff.
15:01 - Oh my God, you can find some of the best
15:03 random programs on Sky Arts, which is funny
15:05 because I used to switch on there all the time
15:09 just to see what was on
15:09 and I haven't done it for months,
15:10 but you've reminded me now to do it more often.
15:13 So at least we'll get that out of this.
15:15 - There's an alternative series
15:17 that I'd like to throw into the mix
15:19 because Netflix made a television series
15:22 of the movies that made us,
15:23 which was a lot more kinetic and fun
15:25 and got under the hood of the production.
15:28 And they talked to not just like, you know,
15:31 the directors of the stars,
15:32 but they talked to like, you know,
15:33 the person that did the sound
15:34 or the person that built the set
15:36 and the person that did the costume design.
15:38 And it's those little anecdotes
15:40 that kind of drives these types of programs
15:41 because you want to hear like the funny things
15:43 that happened along the way to, you know,
15:45 you don't necessarily need someone to, you know,
15:47 take two minutes of film that you know by heart anyway
15:50 and rehash that.
15:53 What you want to know is how it happened
15:54 or how it would have happened in an alternative version,
15:57 that kind of stuff.
15:58 - And also-
15:59 - The movies that made us has more popular films as well.
16:03 So like "Fall Alone", "Dirty Dancing",
16:06 "Ghostbusters" is one of them, I'm not sure.
16:08 - Yeah.
16:09 - I think like you say there, Paul,
16:11 when you have people who are like on the periphery
16:13 a little bit rather than the big stars
16:14 and the directors and things,
16:15 they're more enthusiastic as well.
16:17 - Yeah.
16:18 - And they're kind of-
16:18 - They've got the good stories.
16:19 They were sitting there eating donuts,
16:20 watching John Candy do something funny
16:22 and they can tell you all about it, you know?
16:24 - Absolutely.
16:25 Okay, cool.
16:26 So like, yeah, okay.
16:28 Okay for an in-between watch, but not amazing.
16:30 Don't like rush to watch.
16:32 - Yeah, they'll leave you with a poem, yeah.
16:33 - Okay, so we're going to go back to the future now
16:36 with Paul, who's going to tell us about "Taggart",
16:38 confession time.
16:39 I've never watched an episode of "Taggart",
16:42 but obviously I'm completely familiar with it.
16:44 It's iconic in Scotland and beyond.
16:47 So Paul, tell us about "Taggart".
16:50 - You said, Kelly, you're only on season one
16:52 of "Only Murders in the Building".
16:54 - You're like the prophet.
16:56 - You've got 27 series of "Taggart" to catch up on now.
17:01 - It's interesting, I did- - I've still got 109 episodes.
17:03 - I did look at, you know,
17:05 what was the sort of series format,
17:07 but they kind of played around with it for years.
17:09 So there was like short series and long series
17:10 and they kind of played with the length of episodes.
17:13 Is that right? Yeah.
17:14 - Well, I mean, it initially started,
17:16 it was written that they wanted to create a police series.
17:20 It was based in Glasgow and they did a short series
17:25 that ran, the first episode was on 6th of September, 1983.
17:31 So we're just on the 40th anniversary
17:34 over the next couple of weeks.
17:35 - Quite literally, yeah.
17:36 - Yeah, and when that was a success,
17:39 they reformatted it and it became "Taggart".
17:42 It was based in a fictional police station
17:45 in the area of Maryhill in Glasgow.
17:49 And it just became, I think one of the strengths of it
17:54 was it was written by a guy called Glenn Chandler
17:57 who had a background in theater.
17:59 And it was almost like each of them were like a short play.
18:02 It was much more rooted in theater.
18:06 And even that tradition of kind of what we now know
18:11 as tarte noire in terms of like the books
18:14 of William McElvaney and that kind of crime
18:19 and portraying Glasgow with a certain kind of vibe to it,
18:24 I suppose.
18:29 It's just like, it created a fictional version of Glasgow
18:33 which people now associate with the real Glasgow,
18:36 which is fun because it was just so reinforced.
18:38 And then the breakthrough for the series really,
18:41 I mean, it started to get shown on the ITV networks
18:44 across the whole UK.
18:46 So it really-
18:47 - So it was only on STV originally, I presume.
18:49 - It was originally just there,
18:50 but at the time it came out,
18:53 like the late '80s, even into the early '90s,
18:56 there weren't really that many-
18:58 - Crime dramas?
19:01 - Well, not even that many television stations, Kelly.
19:03 So, you know-
19:04 - I thought you were gonna say television sets.
19:06 - It was very kind of groundbreaking
19:10 in terms of a television drama about crime
19:12 and it set a template for a lot of this stuff.
19:15 And I think that's where it kind of lost its way
19:17 because it petered out around about 2010,
19:20 but by that time it was forced to kind of mimic
19:23 a lot of the tricks from other shows and stuff.
19:25 And, you know, the forensic person was in it a lot more
19:28 and they brought out the big board
19:30 that you see in all the other television shows
19:32 where they've got all the names of the suspects
19:33 and they do that whole thing.
19:34 It's like, "Right, everyone, listen,
19:36 "we've got this guy and this guy
19:37 "and all that kind of stuff."
19:38 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:40 - It was always known.
19:41 I traveled a lot when I was younger
19:45 and people would come up to me
19:46 and they'd hear me from, I was from Glasgow,
19:48 and they'd just go, "Oh, you're from Glasgow?
19:49 "That's been a murder."
19:51 (laughing)
19:52 And the funny thing about it,
19:53 I interviewed Alex Wright.
19:54 So basically, Mark McManus was Taggart
19:57 and then after he died during the production of an episode,
20:00 he just exits.
20:01 They use the excuse of he's in the chief inspector's office
20:04 and then the next episode just opens with his funeral.
20:07 I mean, it did not take long to move on beyond-
20:09 - Isn't it?
20:10 - That archetypal character dying
20:14 both on screen and off screen.
20:15 - Well, it was a testament to them
20:18 and the strength of the series
20:19 and the popularity of the series
20:19 that they were able to continue without him.
20:21 I mean, I don't know how the ratings were affected,
20:23 but it went on for another 10 years.
20:25 - It was, the beating heart of it
20:28 was the ensemble cast and the writing.
20:32 That, you know, we talk a lot about the writing room
20:34 and stuff like that.
20:35 And you look at something like "The Bear"
20:37 where you've got this massively talented group of people
20:40 who've created something that's a worldwide success.
20:43 "Taggart" was written,
20:44 pretty much all episodes were written by one guy
20:48 over an astonishing period of time.
20:51 - That's a lot. - 109 episodes.
20:53 - That's massive.
20:54 - That consistency in tone of voice
20:55 and what people were getting was great.
20:58 The importance for kind of,
21:02 the reason why the television show
21:03 is held with so much affection
21:05 was so much of it was actually filmed out in the wild
21:09 on the streets of Glasgow and stuff like that.
21:11 - So people have stories of encountering it and stuff,
21:13 don't they?
21:14 - Well, even when I was living away in Dublin,
21:16 you know, you'd sit and watch an old episode of "Target"
21:19 and get nostalgic for like some of the streets
21:21 as, you know, the body count increased
21:23 over the 50 minute episode and stuff like that.
21:27 - I heard something on the radio recently, actually.
21:29 They're trying to do a sort of a,
21:31 collect people's memories of "Taggart"
21:34 and I should have got the details of this,
21:35 but I might put them in the show notes.
21:37 Basically, if you ever encountered someone filming "Taggart"
21:41 or if you knew someone that worked on "Taggart"
21:42 or if you have a bit of "Taggart" memorabilia,
21:44 you can actually register it now
21:46 with one of the colleges.
21:47 I think they're doing a sort of,
21:50 creating an archive.
21:51 - Yeah, yeah.
21:52 - So that's how big it is in the psyche,
21:56 I think, of Scotland and Scottish popular culture,
21:58 you know, so that says a lot, doesn't it?
22:00 So there's a lot going on. - It's amazing
22:01 that it translated though,
22:02 that, you know, like it did have an audience
22:04 beyond Scotland. - Oh yeah.
22:07 - And when I interviewed Alex Norton,
22:09 who was the lead actor for the series
22:13 for like longer than Martin McManus was,
22:15 and I spoke to him and he holidays over in France
22:20 and it was a big surprise to him
22:25 when he moved over to there at first,
22:27 that he was recognized on the street in a small village
22:29 and it's because "Taggart" was dubbed into French
22:32 and set in Marseille,
22:34 which is another kind of post-industrial city
22:37 with a bit of an edge to it.
22:38 So like everywhere you go,
22:40 they'd be like, "Oh, you had played 'Taggart'."
22:43 (laughing)
22:44 - Love it, love it, love it.
22:45 Oh yeah, it's definitely a classic.
22:46 So where can people watch it, Paul?
22:49 Is it still available on ITVX or?
22:51 - ITVX has got it.
22:53 And you can get episodes,
22:56 you can buy episodes on Amazon Prime.
22:58 - Yeah.
23:00 - UKTV are showing repeats
23:01 and it was also available on Britbox.
23:03 So you've literally got no excuse
23:05 to not binge watch the entirety of it.
23:08 - It's on my very long to-do list.
23:10 It's on my very long to-do list, Paul.
23:12 Thank you for that and for joining us this week as well, Paul.
23:16 You'll be very welcome back again sometime.
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