Kelly, Alex and Steven are back to save you from boring telly! This week we've been watching lots of different things, The Bear, The Sixth Commandment, Futurama, Evil, the World Cup and that Neighbours trailer!
On the 'deep dive' Alex tells us about Heartstopper - the new series is out now on Netflix. Steven tells us about cult classic 'Firefly' on 'back to the future' and the complicated and kind of strange way it aired and got cancelled.
On the 'deep dive' Alex tells us about Heartstopper - the new series is out now on Netflix. Steven tells us about cult classic 'Firefly' on 'back to the future' and the complicated and kind of strange way it aired and got cancelled.
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00:00 OK, hello and welcome to Screen Babble, your guide to what to watch.
00:03 We'll be tuning into hours and hours of TV so we can tell you what you need to be
00:07 switching on and what's to be avoided.
00:09 I'm your host, Kelly Creighton.
00:10 And once again, this week, I'm joined by Alex Moreland and Stephen Ross,
00:13 who managed to a whole episode without me.
00:17 I mean, I'm kind of sorry we struggled.
00:21 They are resident TV critics who, well, with them, it's just give, give, give.
00:25 As you know, nothing stops them from sourcing the best telly.
00:29 So you don't have to.
00:30 If you haven't tuned in before each week, we'll be chatting about what we're
00:33 watching as well as looking more closely at a new program or something,
00:36 making the headlines in the deep dive this week.
00:38 Alex tells us about the impending return of Heartstopper.
00:43 And finally, we go back to the future to tell you about a program you may have
00:46 missed when it first aired or streamed this week.
00:49 Stephen takes us two decades back to Firefly.
00:53 But first, we like to talk about what everyone has been watching recently.
00:56 Alex, we haven't spoken for two weeks now.
00:58 You have loads of stuff to tell me about.
01:00 Yeah.
01:02 So I started watching Futurama the other night.
01:05 Oh, yeah. It's back.
01:07 How long was it off for?
01:08 It was off for 10 years.
01:11 Is it that long? Oh my goodness.
01:13 I've started from the very beginning,
01:16 the very beginning, even because I've only seen sort of bits and pieces here and there.
01:21 But I'm enjoying it. It's keeping me entertained.
01:25 It's good sort of, you know, like density of jokes.
01:28 Like it's got lots of jokes, which is always good.
01:31 Always good for comedy.
01:33 And I enjoy a lot of the sort of sci fi parody stuff as well, which is good.
01:39 Futurama is one of those,
01:41 well, probably the only the only cartoon that sort of, well, maybe South Park as well.
01:46 You know, there's like a kind of crossover into mainstream for animation.
01:50 So you have The Simpsons and then you have Futurama, don't you?
01:54 And that's kind of it.
01:56 I haven't watched a lot of Simpsons either.
01:59 OK, well, yeah, keep you going.
02:01 Maybe that's next. Yeah.
02:02 Yeah.
02:03 And the third series of Evil has started playing in the UK finally,
02:10 which I've been looking forward to for a while and have started that now.
02:13 Tell us about that.
02:14 Yeah.
02:15 So it is it is a little bit like the X-Files, but it's a more kind of
02:21 supernatural riff on it where they've got
02:25 kind of Catholic priest and a forensic psychologist.
02:28 And they sort of go around and look at like,
02:31 is this a demon or is it a hallucination?
02:34 That kind of thing. OK.
02:35 But it's it's from the people who did The Good Wife and The Good Fight.
02:38 So it's got that that kind of sense of humour to it.
02:41 Nice.
02:43 Yeah. And I really enjoy that.
02:44 I'm very glad to see.
02:45 We know anybody that's in it, actor wise.
02:49 Mike Coulter's in it and he he was in The Good Wife and Good Fighters.
02:53 Lamond Bishop, the drug dealer client they have sometimes.
02:57 Yeah. And he was Luke Cage for Marvel a few years ago
03:02 and Katja Herbers is in it as well.
03:05 And she gives a great performance.
03:07 She's the psychologist, doubter type.
03:11 Can't think well, she's been in a couple of episodes of The Leftovers.
03:14 But and where is that available?
03:17 That is on Alibi.
03:19 So, yeah, just just a little.
03:21 Have we ever suggested Alibi for anything ever before?
03:25 Not off the top of my head, I don't think.
03:28 There you go. I think we're all aware of it.
03:30 Yeah, even now we're still getting firsts.
03:34 Yeah.
03:34 It's always going to be like that.
03:36 Just a treasure trove.
03:38 OK, anything else?
03:40 I am still watching the World Cup, which I am very entertained by.
03:45 How's that going for you?
03:47 How's that going for you?
03:48 It's good. You know, I thought they did pretty well the other day.
03:52 England, is it? Yes.
03:53 Yes.
03:54 I haven't I haven't committed to all of them.
03:56 That'd be too many for me.
03:58 Just England. Just England.
03:59 Yes.
04:00 They're trying to win one of the others.
04:02 Yeah.
04:03 Yes. You know, do you know the fixtures?
04:05 So I genuinely I thought, oh, OK, so they're through to the semifinals now.
04:10 But it turns out you have and you have
04:12 a quarterfinals and a first.
04:16 So it's it's not your own.
04:18 It's not your.
04:19 Yeah. Yeah.
04:20 I just thought, oh, cool. Nearly over.
04:22 But no, it's a bigger commitment than that.
04:24 But it is a big commitment.
04:25 And it's good for you.
04:26 How inclusive of you.
04:28 Yeah.
04:30 OK, right.
04:31 We'll leave you off because that's going to take up a lot of your time.
04:33 Yeah.
04:34 Stephen, talk to me.
04:36 Stephen, you were in Cork since we last spoke.
04:38 Did you watch any Irish telly when you were in Ireland?
04:42 No, I didn't.
04:43 I was otherwise engaged.
04:46 What did I watch?
04:47 That's really ominous.
04:50 I watched The US Office whilst I was in Ireland.
04:53 Oh, OK.
04:55 Which is, you know, good fun.
04:57 But since then, I've I started watching The Bear, which I've already got into
05:02 five episodes in, I think, really.
05:06 I know the characters are just all very
05:08 interesting, very captivating, engaging, obviously a character driven
05:12 story, and I very much am enjoying it.
05:15 I'm trying not to
05:17 burn through it because I feel like it will benefit from having like a day or so
05:21 between episodes.
05:23 So I'll probably watch an episode tonight and then maybe
05:27 finish season one by the time we next speak and then I'll be on to season two.
05:32 I've also been watching
05:35 Kunk on Earth, which is a sort of comedy, spoof,
05:41 documentary series about the history of life on Earth.
05:45 And it's very funny, the woman's name, who
05:49 still I am.
05:51 Diane Morgan, she just got an honorary degree, didn't she?
05:55 From, yeah.
05:56 Which is a whole other thing.
05:58 I'm not a particular fan of honorary degrees, but
06:02 she kind of did take the P, though, in her speech.
06:05 You know, she was like, and they said I'd never get anywhere without maths.
06:10 And then Q laughed and then she said, kids, you don't need maths.
06:15 And it was like.
06:17 Was it a honorary degree in maths?
06:21 I don't know.
06:22 I think it was like arts, obviously.
06:27 But yeah, no, she's I like her.
06:29 She's cool.
06:30 She's very funny in Kunk on Earth, but it does get a bit tiresome after episode two
06:35 or three because it's the same sort of exact joke, but with just a different
06:40 like packing, it was very good.
06:43 There's only five episodes and it's easy enough to watch.
06:46 But yeah, I think the last two I just sort of watched to finish it.
06:49 That's sort of grow out of screen wipe, didn't it?
06:51 She used to do a little bit.
06:52 Yeah, yeah.
06:54 She's in Motherland as well.
06:56 Very funny.
06:56 But she plays kind of similar characters and everything sort of like a little bit
07:00 kind of glakish to use a good Scottish word, like a little bit like silly.
07:04 But but it oh God, it's just like for us.
07:08 It's like a little bit like
07:10 silly kind of like not not clever kind of.
07:15 Kind of like, oh God, it's it's a pertinent like it's it's a word
07:20 because it's not any other words, but anyway,
07:25 but her character is quite rough and ready and stuff in Motherland as well.
07:29 And quite straight up and down and talks a good talk.
07:32 So, yeah, no, I like her.
07:33 So, yes, sorry.
07:35 So that was Kunk on Earth. Cool. OK.
07:37 And you said the bear.
07:39 I watched the first episode, really liked it very much.
07:43 Like, yes, ready for this.
07:44 This is this looks good.
07:45 But that was like two weeks ago.
07:46 Haven't seen it since.
07:48 And the third thing you said there was about watching the US office in Ireland,
07:52 which is kind of you've hit on a cultural thing there, Stephen, because even though
07:55 I doubt you were watching it on terrestrial television, but it's funny how much
08:00 American content you get in Ireland compared to the UK.
08:03 So if you turn on like the terrestrial channels in Ireland, there's an awful lot
08:06 of American stuff. It's almost like we lean towards America before Joe Biden.
08:12 Thinks he's Irish, isn't it?
08:13 That'll be what it is.
08:15 That's exactly what it is. Yeah.
08:17 And it's just a really recent phenomena of the last couple of months.
08:20 Yeah.
08:21 So, yeah, anyway, it's just you see as well in the news content and stuff over there.
08:27 It's weird and weird in a good way.
08:30 So, OK, anything else, Stephen, on your.
08:33 Well, I've also been watching the World Cup.
08:36 Well, I say I've been watching England's performances in the World Cup.
08:40 I've not been watching the other matches.
08:42 And yeah, the China China game was obviously very good.
08:45 Six one win.
08:47 Not going to complain, but I do think that it should have been seven.
08:51 I think the referee was a little bit biased, but I'm not the football pundit.
08:57 So I'll leave that to other people.
08:59 I caught a little bit of that match and I was like, oh, God, I just felt sorry for them.
09:04 Ireland are out. We got a draw and loss and a draw.
09:10 So, boo.
09:12 But anyway, there you go.
09:14 OK, what have I been watching?
09:16 I just finished the Sixth Commandment.
09:18 Oh, how is it?
09:21 Was very, very good, I think.
09:25 And mainly for two reasons.
09:28 The acting was outstanding from particularly Timothy Spall,
09:34 who I kind of know from kind of comedic turns mostly.
09:38 He plays one of the main characters, a man called Peter Farquhar, who was.
09:43 Not giving anything away here by saying he was murdered and and the guy was a true
09:49 story, so it's you know, that's what it's about, you know, and then
09:54 the guy who plays Ben, who I've never come across before,
09:57 and I don't know what else he's starred in, his name is Aina Hardwick.
10:00 Oh, my God, what a menacing, menacing performance like.
10:06 I don't know, I don't even know what to compare him to, like, but, you know,
10:09 these really classic, like he's a total psychopath, he's just everything he does
10:14 and says, I think maybe it comes down to the writing a little bit as well.
10:17 I'd like to know a bit more about how.
10:20 They how he played the character,
10:21 like was everything scripted or did he do some stuff himself like because
10:26 oh, he's so convincing, he's so convincing as this completely
10:29 self-obsessed maniac who has a God complex, you know, and oh,
10:35 my God, it's chilling, chilling, excuse me.
10:38 And also I should mention
10:42 Anne Reid, who is 88 and plays another main character called Anne Moore Martin.
10:49 And she's absolutely outstanding as well.
10:52 Excuse me. So that's really good for parts
10:55 available on BBC iPlayer and actually I knew the story in general,
11:00 but I didn't know the detail of it and there was a lot more to it than I was
11:03 aware of. So anybody out there that's like, oh, I know, I know it.
11:05 So I'm not going to watch it.
11:06 You probably don't know all the detail and some of it's really heartbreaking.
11:09 And I've seen people who knew these people in real life talking about them and saying
11:13 how true to reality the story actually is and the performances.
11:17 So really, really good.
11:19 Definitely worth your time.
11:21 The other thing I want to talk about,
11:22 and this is not something I've been watching, but something I
11:27 what I did watch, it was a trailer.
11:28 I watched a trailer yesterday for Neighbours.
11:30 Neighbours is coming back.
11:31 We've talked about this before,
11:33 but Neighbours is coming back with Misha Barton and Guy Pearce.
11:38 Is Guy Pearce?
11:40 It was Guy Pearce.
11:41 OMG.
11:42 Hold the front page, lads.
11:44 Whoa.
11:45 I saw a press image and I thought that looks like Guy Pearce.
11:50 Yeah, I was watching the trailer and he's in it.
11:53 And it can't be him because why would he be in Neighbours?
11:56 Is he? He can't be returning as a.
11:59 Well, he came back to the finale, didn't he?
12:02 Yeah, but so did Margot Robbie and she's not sticking around.
12:06 She might be about to drop everything.
12:09 Yeah. Go back to Neighbours.
12:10 I feel like Margot Robbie's career might be a little bit more.
12:14 I feel like Margot Robbie might be a bit more stratospheric than Guy Pearce at the moment.
12:18 But I was the same, Stephen.
12:21 I was watching the trailer and I was like, you know,
12:22 it was a tiny clip and I was like, was that Guy Pearce?
12:25 What? So, yes, Misha Barton and Guy Pearce.
12:28 I was like, come on, lads.
12:29 You know, I've never actually watched Neighbours.
12:31 I've you know, I've seen it over the years, but now I'm like, I think I want to watch it.
12:36 What do you think?
12:37 Well, you can on Amazon Freeview in September.
12:41 Exactly. How long will you stick with it?
12:43 Do you think you're going to make another
12:45 like until the next time it's cancelled?
12:48 It's so hard to know with these things, with soaps, you know,
12:51 I did watch Home and Away for years and years and I kind of kind of, you know,
12:54 I'd say until I was in my 20s, I kind of did like I'd sit down and watch an episode,
12:58 you know, at lunchtime or whatever.
13:00 But it's kind of hard to watch TV.
13:02 Well, for me, it's kind of hard to watch TV during the middle of the day.
13:06 I don't think for me to be.
13:10 I don't think the majority of Neighbours
13:12 viewers will know how to use Freeview, so I don't think it'll do all that well.
13:17 That's a bit patronising.
13:18 I I think the generally the people that watch Neighbours watch it because it's on
13:24 during the day and that's the channel they've landed on.
13:27 It kind of yeah.
13:28 You turn the TV on and it's on. Yeah, yeah.
13:30 It is like that.
13:31 I don't think they're going to go.
13:32 I'll go on to the Internet on my TV because I don't think they'll know they can do that.
13:36 I could be wrong.
13:39 And there are we should say as well for the Neighbours keen people out there,
13:43 there are some of the main cast returning, including Toadie and Carl.
13:49 And they're the only ones I can remember.
13:52 But there you go. Neighbours.
13:55 Is that the theme tune?
13:56 Oh, my God.
13:58 Come on.
13:59 You've definitely heard the theme tune.
14:01 I have. Yeah.
14:03 Alex, loser.
14:04 Get off now and go on YouTube.
14:06 OK.
14:09 God. OK.
14:10 It is a cultural phenomenon.
14:12 What? Like, come on.
14:13 I have largely missed it, I think.
14:16 I know you're too young.
14:17 We know you're too young.
14:19 Blah, blah, blah. Right.
14:20 Moving along. So over to the youngsters then.
14:22 God, I sound like a right old fart now.
14:26 Alex, you are going to talk to us about an actual children's programme.
14:31 Yeah. A youngsters programme.
14:34 Children's programme.
14:34 I haven't watched all of it, but it looked really lovely when I saw it.
14:38 And various episodes of Gogglebox and.
14:43 Some award stuff it was up for, maybe it's heart stopper.
14:46 Tell us, Alex.
14:48 So is the new series of Heartstopper,
14:50 which is out today, Thursday, the third of August on Netflix.
14:56 Yeah, it's almost like we plan these in advance.
14:58 I know. I know.
15:01 So, yeah, it is it is the second series.
15:05 Did Steven, I I assume you didn't watch it.
15:10 Unfortunately, you missed it.
15:12 Is that what you said? You just missed it.
15:14 Yeah, it was a strange time.
15:16 You know, you can't be sat in front of the TV all day.
15:19 Am I right in saying like the summary is it's kind of a tale of young love to
15:24 the boys in school, high school. Yeah.
15:27 And kind of hook it up for the first time.
15:29 Yeah. So it's there.
15:31 So 14, 15, they're worried about their GCSEs.
15:34 They're worried about school things mainly
15:38 and kissing as well, which is kind of something they spend a lot of their time doing.
15:43 Oh, nice.
15:45 Good for them.
15:47 Yeah, yes,
15:54 just the way you said
15:58 I mean, nice for them. I don't mean nice.
16:03 No, no, I knew that was what you meant.
16:05 It's just anyway.
16:06 So this is this is the continuing story of the two of them.
16:11 They are now officially boyfriend and boyfriend, which is very exciting for them.
16:16 But they have they gone off and like last
16:19 all lust for life and got city jobs and they're just really depressed.
16:22 And or is it more?
16:23 No, they're still 14.
16:25 OK, that's that's the viewer.
16:28 That's the viewer.
16:29 Yeah, job and lost all enthusiasm.
16:34 Yes. So they are there.
16:36 They're about to do their GCSEs.
16:37 They are. They're about to go on a school
16:38 trip to Paris, which they are similarly very excited about.
16:43 Their friends have similar sort of age appropriate worries and concerns.
16:49 It's I always feel a little derisive saying this.
16:53 I mean, it genuinely is a compliment.
16:55 It is a really good sort of show for 14 year olds, I think.
16:58 Teen thing. Yeah.
16:59 Yeah.
17:01 And I think it is very much intended for
17:06 12 year olds. And again, I mean that like as a compliment.
17:08 It's a very good show for 12 year olds.
17:10 Yeah.
17:11 And I think it's sorry, though, is it is it?
17:15 Are they not are they not targeting older age?
17:17 Well, as having interviewed the creator,
17:22 no, it is sort of intended for a younger audience than I think to start at 25 or
17:27 something, I reckon I think up to sort of 15, 16.
17:33 Oh, God, really?
17:34 Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, because I watched it last year
17:38 before it came out, because I used to live with someone who is a huge fan of the
17:43 the books it's based on.
17:44 OK,
17:46 and I was very surprised that it became the kind of phenomena that it did,
17:50 which which makes sense in hindsight, because it kind of like fills a gap.
17:55 I'd say that did not necessarily exist previously.
18:00 But yeah, it was certainly a bigger phenomenon than I thought.
18:03 OK.
18:04 Yeah. How much of the new series have you seen then?
18:07 I have seen all of it is it's very endearing, very charming.
18:12 It's set over the course of just a couple
18:16 of days, which makes it feel a little bit shorter than it is.
18:21 So I'm kind of interested to see how the, you know,
18:25 I was about to say something that makes out ancient.
18:27 So I'm not going to say that, but it'll be interesting to see
18:30 the interesting to see how the the instant gratification generation of teenagers deal
18:36 with that because because it does kind of like feel like it's over before it started
18:40 because it's all like half hour episodes and everything.
18:42 Yeah.
18:43 But no, it's good.
18:44 It has its charms.
18:46 I think people will continue to enjoy it.
18:48 Cool.
18:49 And that's nice for all of them.
18:51 OK, so that's nice.
18:53 That's nice for the right people.
18:55 Yeah, it is.
18:56 OK, yeah.
18:58 And it's a good production for.
19:00 Yeah, it's pretty well made.
19:02 It looks nice. It's good.
19:04 Kind of it feels like sunshiny, which is nice.
19:07 We need more of that in our lives, don't we?
19:09 So where can people watch it?
19:11 They'll be able to watch it on Netflix.
19:13 Super.
19:14 And a third series is already confirmed.
19:17 Oh, and watching it, it felt very much like they felt they were going to get a fourth
19:23 and fifth series. Oh, interesting.
19:25 OK, I do love to know there's more coming when I start a new series because that is
19:31 just reassuring and you don't feel so sad when it finishes.
19:33 OK, cool. That's great.
19:35 Thank you, Alex. Right, Steven.
19:36 We're now and now for something completely different.
19:40 Firefly, 20 years old.
19:44 Very. Yeah, kind of.
19:45 So the last episode 20 years ago on it was the 4th of August 2003.
19:53 It shouldn't have been then, but it was.
19:55 But I'll get into that later.
19:56 So it's a 14 part series, including a two hour pilot.
20:01 And it's like a sci fi Western, kind of like a sort of steampunk vibe.
20:06 So I mean, it's twenty five, seventeen.
20:09 So what in the future?
20:10 Great by Joss Whedon, you know, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, that guy.
20:16 And it's about a renegade crew of the Serenity Firefly class starship.
20:23 The Nathan Fillion's character, Mal, who's the captain of the ship,
20:26 but to to sort of live on the frontier outside the realms,
20:31 outside the control of the Alliance, which is the new sort of.
20:35 World rule of the Galactic Empire of the series that is made up of America and
20:41 China, which were the two dominant superpowers of marriage in this series.
20:48 And it also interestingly creates like a fusion of the two cultures.
20:51 So it's all very stylized, like a sort of Oriental slash Western
20:55 and feel throughout.
20:58 So we've got Alan Tijakin, who starred in Con Man, which I spoke about the other week.
21:03 Him and Nathan Fillion crowdfunded for Con Man
21:07 after having worked on this, and it was inspired by his time on this.
21:12 Yeah, it's a very good show.
21:14 It's a massive cult classic now,
21:16 but it was canceled after 11 episodes had aired in 2002.
21:20 So I think December 2002, it was canceled.
21:24 There were three episodes left.
21:26 They didn't air until July, August 2003 in the UK.
21:32 And they finally aired.
21:33 Do you think they were trying to sort of revive it and continue it or something?
21:37 I think they just finally were allowed to sort of put out the final three episodes.
21:41 And was that the end of the first series or I'm probably preempting what you're
21:45 about to say, but was that the discrete end of the first series or was that sort
21:48 of a discrete story? Well, the episodes were kind of put out in the wrong order anyway.
21:52 So I'm not really entirely sure.
21:55 They're mostly self-contained, but obviously there is a.
21:59 Sequence of through through plot, but some of them you could watch in any order you want.
22:04 I think the intended finale aired or something like episode four.
22:10 Yeah, I just feel like that's.
22:12 And I don't think it's like a wonder I got canceled.
22:17 But yeah, so
22:19 Joss Whedon planned for it to be about seven years on air and it was canceled
22:26 halfway through the first season.
22:27 He then finally managed to get some money
22:29 together to make a follow up film, Serenity, which was released in 2005
22:36 and sort of bombed it made back about what it cost to make.
22:39 So it probably ended up losing a little bit of money.
22:44 Yeah, and it's one of those shows that has now built up a huge following
22:49 because it got canceled too soon.
22:52 And so how when I spoke about Freaks and Geeks in a previous Back to the Future,
22:57 I think that's sort of my favorite show that that got canned far too early.
23:04 I'd be interested to know if you guys have a series that you wish that had gone
23:08 on for longer that you think ended too soon.
23:11 Well, just a little bit different.
23:13 Very recent case of that ITV drama Maternal, like that's been cut off way too early.
23:19 Like that was really good.
23:20 It was there's not so many female led,
23:22 female written dramas and it was good and it's been canned straight away.
23:27 Although that was there's a lot now.
23:30 They sort of float a lot of shows and
23:32 immediately killed them in the way since smash success.
23:36 My go to answer for this is always
23:39 it was this thing called You, Me and the Apocalypse, which was on in 2015 or so.
23:45 And it was sort of like about the end of the world.
23:47 And it had people like Matt Bainton and Jenna Fisher and Rob Lowe.
23:53 But yeah, I really liked that.
23:56 But it was sort of I don't know necessarily how much room they had
23:59 for a series two, but it was I still think about that one.
24:03 Right. Next week, things that went on way too long.
24:05 We've so many easy answers for that.
24:07 Oh, my God. Screen double.
24:09 Excuse me.
24:11 Speak to yourself.
24:12 Oh, oh,
24:14 sorry, my keyboard was having a bit of a
24:18 I don't know, moment.
24:20 Sorry. OK, so that was Firefly.
24:22 So can you watch Firefly now?
24:24 Firefly is on Disney plus.
24:26 Serenity, unfortunately, is only available to rent on Amazon, Apple TV, other places.
24:32 The film's not great.
24:34 So I wouldn't I'd wait until it does come
24:36 onto a streaming service because it's been on before and it'll come back.
24:39 May actually be on telly at some point as well, if you're that keen.
24:43 OK, cool.
24:44 Thank you for joining us this week.
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