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Host:
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Guests:
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- Jan Achakzai
- Seyed Mohammad Ali
"Canada Waqiye Se Tawajah Hatane Ke Liye Bharat Ne Aisi Harkat Ki," Jan Achakzai
Who is the beneficiary of terrorist attacks in Pakistan? Defense analyst M. Ali's critical analysis
What measures Pakistan needs to take to avoid such terrorist attacks?
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Khawar Ghumman - Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain
Guests:
- Hassan Ayub Khan (Analyst)
- Abdullah Magsi (Reporter ARY News)
- Jan Achakzai
- Seyed Mohammad Ali
"Canada Waqiye Se Tawajah Hatane Ke Liye Bharat Ne Aisi Harkat Ki," Jan Achakzai
Who is the beneficiary of terrorist attacks in Pakistan? Defense analyst M. Ali's critical analysis
What measures Pakistan needs to take to avoid such terrorist attacks?
Follow the ARY News channel on WhatsApp: https://bit.ly/46e5HzY
ARY News is a leading Pakistani news channel that promises to bring you factual and timely international stories and stories about Pakistan, sports, entertainment, and business, amid others.
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00:00 [Music]
00:10 Assalamu Alaikum, welcome to the program. Today is 29th September, Friday.
00:17 And today is a blessed day for all Muslims in the world.
00:22 Today all Muslims are celebrating Eid Mubarak.
00:28 But once again, the enemy has attacked.
00:32 You have been watching from the morning on the television screens, we are covering all this.
00:38 There have been three attacks so far, which we have received information.
00:42 An attack on the mosque in Hangu.
00:46 After that, an attack on Zob from Sehat Par.
00:50 All the details will be in front of you.
00:52 And in the same way, there was a rally of Rabiul Awal in Mastung.
00:56 An attack on him.
00:58 The news that is coming so far, there have been many martyrs.
01:03 First of all, we take you to Mastung. Our reporter is present there, Mr. Abdullah Maghsi.
01:08 Let's know from him what is the current situation on the ground.
01:11 How many martyrs are there?
01:14 And at the same time, the steps that are being taken there.
01:17 We will also try to know about the incident.
01:20 What happened? Despite the security measures, such a big incident is happening.
01:26 Who is careless about this?
01:27 Tell us a little bit about the timing of this whole incident.
01:33 Before this incident, were there any precautions?
01:36 Was there any threat level that if such a rally would take place, an attack could be made on it?
01:42 Yes, it is exactly like this.
01:44 Look, Mastung is a popular area in Balochistan.
01:48 And here it was the area of Azizabad.
01:53 Where this suicide bomb was dropped.
01:57 The explosion was very severe.
01:59 And as a result of this explosion, the total death toll in Mastung and Quetta has been shifted.
02:05 50 people have died in this incident.
02:09 While more than 100 people are injured.
02:13 Who are being provided medical assistance in various hospitals.
02:17 There was a war on the part of terrorists in Balochistan.
02:21 It is a very sad incident.
02:24 The security measures that were taken there were also ineffective.
02:30 Security threats are often present in these areas and were there before.
02:35 So there were no effective measures in this regard.
02:38 The residents of the area were also very sad and angry that there were no security measures.
02:44 The terrorist who was there, entered there.
02:48 After that, according to the police, the DSP tried to stop him.
02:54 Amarnawar Gishkori.
02:57 So this is a suicide bombing.
02:59 The information so far is that it was a suicide bomber who came and then exploded there.
03:05 Exactly like this.
03:07 As soon as he came near the car of the DSP, the DSP tried to stop him.
03:12 After that, he blasted himself.
03:16 It was a suicide bomb and it was very powerful.
03:19 Because there was a lot of rush, people were in a rush.
03:22 And during this time, because it is a little far from Quetta.
03:28 Consider that there is a backward area and there was a rush area where this procession was taken out.
03:36 And then it is being said that the terrorists always try to attack there by seeing the security weaknesses.
03:45 And this is how it happened.
03:47 Mr. Abdullah, my name is Hassan Ayub.
03:49 I would like to ask you that the area of Mastum, there was a background here.
03:54 Perhaps there were some incidents and incidents in the past about sectarianism.
03:59 But the way you are telling today that the suicide attack has taken place.
04:03 This means that there was a sleeper cell there who came and blasted himself.
04:09 Do you think something like this has happened?
04:13 Was there someone present from the beginning?
04:15 This is not a border area.
04:17 Yes, exactly, a suicide bomber.
04:19 Here in the past, we have seen such incidents in the past.
04:26 In which the leader of BAP, Ameer Seraj Rehsani, was also martyred in such a bomb blast.
04:36 Thank you very much for giving time.
04:39 Now let's take you to Mr. Jaan Achak Zahid, the Minister of Information, the Minister of the Balochistan Government is present with us.
04:46 What information do you have so far? How many deaths have occurred?
04:50 Look, so far, there have been about 40 deaths and we are afraid that these numbers will increase.
04:58 The number of injuries is also more than 50.
05:01 Unfortunately, it is a very sad incident.
05:05 Now we are trying to provide treatment to the injured in Quetta.
05:14 And if necessary, we can take them to Karachi.
05:17 As you pointed out, no Pakistani, no Muslim, no Bulatani can think of this.
05:23 Therefore, this is not a debate that anyone can do locally.
05:27 The mindset behind this is to keep the country destabilized.
05:34 Whether it is the incident of Hangoo or the incident in Maze Karim,
05:38 the purpose is to keep our hotlines, whether they are religious, political or ethnic,
05:47 to keep them warm so that the harmony is disturbed.
05:54 But Alhamdulillah, all the protests in Balochistan were peaceful and the rest were in Pakistan.
06:01 But this is an incident of terrorism that cannot be condoned.
06:06 And God willing, it will be like this.
06:09 Mr. Jahan Acharya Ghazi, my name is Hassan Ayub.
06:12 I would like to ask you that in a group, a group has accepted some responsibility for this incident in Mastoon.
06:22 Balochistan has been a victim of a systematic state terrorism that has been carried out by our country.
06:29 The network of Gulbashan Yadav was in front of you.
06:32 In addition to this, we have also attended many such incidents with their police stations in India.
06:39 This incident is not isolated.
06:41 There is a mindset behind it, there is an operational plan, it is being prepared, it has been planned,
06:46 a person has been hired and launched.
06:49 So all these things cannot be automatic until there is a system behind it.
06:56 Mr. Gulamshan is also present with us, he also wants to ask you a question.
07:02 Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Acharya Ghazi.
07:04 Good to talk to you, but in a very bad situation.
07:07 So if I say that we are still helpless as a country and state to attack their terrorists, their terrorists, their Pakistan and to confront them.
07:23 I do not agree with this characterization.
07:27 Our soldiers fail such incidents every day.
07:31 99% of them succeed.
07:34 The enemy, the terrorist, needs 1% chance to succeed.
07:39 You know that our martyrs' ceremonies are happening every day for the sake of such incidents.
07:45 Our army, our security departments, the police of the civilian government, their capabilities are much higher.
07:52 So, Alhamdulillah, in total, both Balochistan and Pakistan have already come out of the wave of terrorism.
07:59 But this is a strategic opportunity that has been exploited.
08:03 Recently, the Indian terrorism in Balochistan, then its scope increased to Europe and Canada.
08:12 So this is a subject to be tried to divert.
08:17 Absolutely.
08:18 Thank you very much, Mr. Achik Zaid.
08:20 Dear viewers, we have invited Mr. Muhammad Ali, a security analyst, to the program.
08:26 We will also learn from him that one day, in Zoub, Mastoum, Hangu, all these incidents took place.
08:33 A well-planned, orchestrated move is being taken.
08:39 As we move towards stability, peace in Pakistan, there are some good news coming to the country.
08:47 We are moving towards a better economic situation.
08:52 So, such attacks start.
08:54 Absolutely. I think you are right.
08:57 I completely agree with you that this is not a coincidence that the three major domains of our national security,
09:03 political stability, economic development, and counter-terrorism,
09:10 try to do something against us in all three domains.
09:17 Not only to disturb your sectarian harmony, but also to affect your political stability.
09:25 At the same time, to disincentivize foreign investment.
09:29 And at the same time, to change the attention and positive concern of international community into a concern.
09:36 So, I think this can be seen from two perspectives.
09:41 One is the target of the election.
09:44 If you look at today, the people who were targeted, the level of the election,
09:50 this proves that these people have no connection with Islam.
09:55 And they cannot be representatives of any school of thought or group of people in Pakistan.
10:03 Because today, the greatest messengers of peace in the world,
10:09 the people who are celebrating their birthday, you are targeting them.
10:16 Rahmatullahi l-alameen.
10:17 Rahmatullahi l-alameen.
10:18 For the whole world.
10:19 Exactly. So, this is a very big symbol.
10:22 It is a very big target.
10:24 The person who is considered the biggest symbol of peace, on the birthday of that person,
10:34 your enemy attacks those people in your country who are targeting their birthdays.
10:40 One thing that people do not understand is that despite repeated efforts from our government,
10:48 the state of Pakistan, towards Iran, towards Afghanistan,
10:54 border management, trade, Muslims are all across the borders,
10:59 our good gestures are not being reciprocated.
11:04 What is the reason behind this?
11:06 You have asked a very important question.
11:08 Let me give you a brief context.
11:10 In my opinion, this is a global and regional security context.
11:16 Because Pakistan is a geostrategic location, it has its advantages and challenges.
11:20 I will tell you five things quickly, which clearly show the linkage.
11:26 You see, the incident in Canada, the evidence of target killing came forward,
11:31 in which the involvement of the Indian intelligence agency was discussed.
11:34 The riots in Manipur.
11:36 What difference did these two incidents make in world politics?
11:39 The rising India, shining India, democracy, peaceful, G20 makeup,
11:44 the world's views about India changed a little.
11:49 After that, the incident that happened,
11:51 you should remove the world's microscope, the tension, from India
11:56 and bring some incidents in Pakistan, to bring Pakistan in the zone of concern.
12:00 You should not change the tension of the world's attention.
12:03 The second thing is that you see five agendas as an enemy,
12:09 and you clearly see who will benefit from this.
12:14 Our Muslim brothers are giving their martyrs.
12:18 You see five objectives.
12:20 Number one, that the school of thought which is peaceful, which is non-violent,
12:25 which celebrates the birthday of the Prophet,
12:30 which teaches love and harmony, you should provoke that too.
12:35 Number two, the requirement of national security of every country and state,
12:41 that there are some conservative elements and some liberal elements,
12:44 their balance should be disturbed.
12:47 The third thing is that, you see, the issue of sectarianism is obviously explained.
12:52 Fourth is that the security challenge of Balochistan is primarily sub-national,
13:00 it is ethnic, BLA, BLF, ethnic.
13:03 Now a new dimension is being tried to be added, which is religious,
13:07 so that the security challenge increases further,
13:10 the tension of the world increases further,
13:12 those who want to do development and investment here, their tension increases further.
13:17 The capacity and focus of Pakistan's law enforcement, intelligence and other institutions
13:23 should go more towards the internal than the external enemies.
13:26 Along with that, the good news is that yesterday,
13:30 in Canada's case, the third change came from India.
13:33 The first statement was that when they were accused by the Canadian Prime Minister,
13:39 so they, as they say, scolded the "Ultra-thief" Kotwal.
13:43 They said, "You have become the center of terrorism in Canada."
13:46 This was the first thing.
13:47 Then when American pressure came, Australian pressure came, British pressure came,
13:51 they did not say that we will cooperate in the investigation.
13:54 Now the last level is that they are blaming ISI and Pakistan.
13:58 Now link this to what is happening in Pakistan.
14:01 So overall, the strategic environment that you see,
14:04 it is clearly visible whose motive it is, who wants to take advantage of it,
14:09 and who wants to discourage and disincentivize Pakistan's stability, progress, economic growth and foreign investment.
14:17 Sir, tell us that the area of Yob,
14:20 now see that one side is Balochistan, obviously,
14:23 on one side is KP, on one side is Afghanistan,
14:25 that is, the old area of Fateh, the area of Waziristan, is touched there.
14:30 So there too, an investigation was tried today, which was failed by our army.
14:35 And this is that such incidents are not happening in one day,
14:39 they are happening continuously and are happening from Afghanistan.
14:42 So in this regard, what will we have to do in terms of our border management,
14:47 what message will we have to give to Afghanistan,
14:50 why is Afghanistan allowing its own land to be used against us, allowing it to be used,
14:55 there is a caretaker government there, is there a rate of that government or not,
14:59 why are such incidents happening continuously?
15:01 Yes, you have asked a very important question,
15:03 see, I will try to answer it in a brief, it is a very important question.
15:06 Afghanistan has been under the control of the Afghan Taliban for more than two years.
15:12 And it is a regrettable fact that the expectations they had for Pakistan,
15:17 the international community, for security, for an inclusive broad-based political setup,
15:24 for human rights, for ensuring security and sovereignty,
15:29 or not allowing their territory to be used by terrorist organizations in other countries,
15:35 all these expectations were unfortunately not fulfilled.
15:38 These four expectations, which they had fulfilled in Doha Accord,
15:42 commitment to the international community, to America, to other countries,
15:46 Recently, sir, China, Pakistan,
15:48 Yes, absolutely, our trilateral dialogue, China, Pakistan,
15:52 Our Foreign Minister, Jalil Abbas Jilani, his choice is your choice,
15:57 so after that I will come to you, listen to it.
16:00 The incidents of terrorism have not only affected Pakistan, but the whole world is worried about it.
16:05 It is the responsibility of the Afghan government to stop them.
16:10 In the trilateral meeting, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan,
16:13 a joint statement was made that Afghanistan's soil will not be allowed to be used against Pakistan or any other country.
16:21 First of all, Mr. Jalil, ask a question, and secondly, comment on it a little,
16:28 that Afghanistan, what can we do more than this?
16:33 Now, we should have done this work long ago,
16:36 I think all the illegal people who are present in Afghanistan,
16:40 an effort is being made, and in the coming days, I think a final deadline will be given,
16:44 that God is enough, how much more do we suffer?
16:47 Enough is enough.
16:48 You will have to go back, yes, Mr. Joy?
16:51 No, that Khawar, instead of saying that Afghanistan is not doing enough to improve the situation in Pakistan,
16:59 and even the cross-border actions that they are doing with us,
17:03 and people attack and go back,
17:05 this too, in front of everyone, no one knows more than Muhammad Ali,
17:09 but you all know that Eid Miladun Nabi is that holy day,
17:16 12 Rabiul Awal, that the whole of Pakistan somehow or the other,
17:23 they go out on the streets to celebrate the day of the Prophet's arrival,
17:30 so the appropriate security arrangements are also being neglected.
17:37 Yes, now the question, look, our external challenges are there,
17:44 what are the steps that we need to take internally,
17:48 because the enemy is the enemy, whenever he gets the chance, he will attack you.
17:52 You and Mr. Hassan both spoke, look, there are two sides to this,
17:56 unfortunately, I have said two things before in your program,
18:00 and I want to say clearly that it seems that the many economic, criminal and terrorism issues in Pakistan,
18:12 not only is the root of those issues Afghanistan, but it has also taken unlawful advantage of them.
18:19 So I think that along with capability, there is also a lack of political will to some extent.
18:27 Okay, I want to qualify this point that their ideological leadership,
18:32 many times it has been said from their side, and guidance has been given,
18:37 to their Minister of Interior too, that this territory should not be used against Pakistan,
18:44 the TTP should be disowned, they should not be allowed to fundraise,
18:49 if they do any operation against Pakistan, then no Afghan Taliban will participate in their funeral,
18:57 they should be disowned. So this is an important thing at the ideological level,
19:01 but unfortunately, the ideological thing or commitment, the ideological leadership of the Afghan Taliban is saying,
19:09 the state of Afghanistan seems to be failing to implement it.
19:13 Reasons?
19:14 I think there can be three reasons for this. One reason is that,
19:18 there is an unfortunate reality that all the black market economy of Pakistan,
19:24 all the crime, all the smuggling, all the terrorism, is happening from Afghanistan.
19:33 So if all these things are being cracked down against them in Pakistan,
19:38 then obviously it will affect them. This is a reality, because they were not recognized diplomatically in the world,
19:44 they are not in the international backing channel, so because of that,
19:47 practically all their economy is running on the black economy.
19:50 So when Pakistan will shut down on this, will regularize it, will document it,
19:59 will control it, will improve border security and management, then how will their black economy run?
20:05 So unfortunately, this is a proof of this, that the black economy of Afghan Taliban, TTP,
20:12 and the smuggling and terrorism, there is a nexus of all this.
20:17 When you are talking about the black economy, their logistics are being completed from Pakistan,
20:24 and keeping all the logistics in front of us, they should help us a little bit,
20:31 so that their situation improves. We are helping them in a good way, we have been helping them before.
20:36 Sir, look, we should help them, but there is a wise saying, that we are your friends, but not your enemies.
20:46 So in a realistic sense, if all these three things are together, then Afghanistan will be secure,
20:52 and our expectations will be fulfilled.
20:54 One is the international community, because they have practically shut down their black market.
20:58 So that's why they are reliant on black economy.
21:01 Secondly, we want to go and settle everything, the illegal people who live here,
21:07 and run their system, and reduce our problems.
21:11 This is also right, we want to improve border management, we want to end smuggling,
21:15 we want to end smuggling, we want to end criminals, we want to end terrorism,
21:19 we will do all these things, we want to do it internally, but our expectations from Afghanistan are absolutely right,
21:26 and we want to give them the power at the highest level.
21:29 Last week, a high level delegation went there, DGMO sir was there, our special envoy was there,
21:35 and he told them in very clear words, that if you don't stop these problems arising in Pakistan,
21:43 in Afghanistan, then we will have to take some strict action.
21:47 But I would like to ask you one thing, Mr. Sehid Muhammad Ali, this is the last question.
21:51 Tell us, our neighbour in Afghanistan, you cannot change that,
21:57 now we have to stay here in Afghanistan, so once and for all, we will have to take some action to ensure our security,
22:05 so that whatever happens in Afghanistan, it will not affect Pakistan.
22:10 The drugs there come to Pakistan after smuggling, and our food or dollars reach there,
22:16 and everything that is bad comes to Pakistan, and everything from there, like sugar, sugar, everything,
22:22 reaches Afghanistan, and then it doesn't stop there, it goes to Central Asian states.
22:28 So we will have to do something to stop this.
22:31 Yes, absolutely, look, in a realistic way, we have to work on all three fronts at the same time.
22:36 We have to repair our house, we have to put our house in order.
22:39 Whether criminals use Gulbushan Yadav or some other means.
22:43 Mr. Ali, thank you very much for your time.
22:46 This is such a big subject that we should have a long and broad discussion on it, and we will continue to do so.
22:52 We will have a short break, and after the break, our program will continue on the political situation in the country.
22:58 Stay with us.
22:59 Welcome back.
23:04 Ladies and gentlemen, the biggest problem of the political situation in Pakistan right now is that
23:10 the respected Tahiyyat Qaid of Pakistan Muslim League Noon has to return to Pakistan.
23:14 He has given the date of 21st October.
23:17 In that regard, obviously, all the leaders of Pakistan Muslim League Noon are coming back.
23:22 Mr. Shabaz Sharif has also returned.
23:24 The Chief Organizer, Marjum Nawaz Sahiba, has also returned to Pakistan.
23:28 The President of Punjab, Mr. Rana Salalo, is also holding small gatherings.
23:33 He is present everywhere.
23:35 When the Qaid returns, we will welcome him in a grand manner.
23:42 A very unique and unprecedented initiative has been launched.
23:47 You must have seen that the use of artificial intelligence is being debated all over the world.
23:53 How should it be used?
23:56 How much artificial intelligence can be used in everyday matters, in human emotions?
24:04 But a very good method has been developed.
24:06 He is talking about an app.
24:09 Obviously, the GT Road Party is called Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
24:13 They have always had a big footprint in Punjab.
24:17 So, they have invented a unique method to bring people to Minar-e-Pakistan and to ensure their presence there.
24:26 Listen to this.
24:27 Why are they taking our phone numbers?
24:29 We have developed an app.
24:31 We will know where these people are from the day we use it.
24:34 If one of them is in Gujarat, the system will tell us that this many people are in Jalsa Gah and this many are not.
24:47 Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan, you and I will be present in front of the camera.
24:54 Someone will be able to find out our presence and location.
24:59 The rest of the people are told that MPs and MNAs are taking them with them.
25:05 They are told not to go back and forth.
25:07 They are told to ensure their presence.
25:09 What is your concern?
25:11 People will come to Lahore one day.
25:13 What is the method of this app?
25:15 Mr. Gulamshahan, you are a great man.
25:17 Our friend from Islamabad has told them that we want to gather 10 lakhs or 5 lakhs people.
25:32 2-3 crore people want to come.
25:34 We will only call the number and ask them to come.
25:40 We will tell the rest to leave.
25:43 That is why they are doing it.
25:45 They don't need any of our friends.
25:47 They have so many friends that you have no idea.
25:52 You don't have a place to sit.
25:55 What is the problem?
25:59 People love each other.
26:01 Obviously, the rules are set.
26:04 They are coming back after 4 years.
26:06 People will go there with love and express their emotions.
26:10 What is the matter with this app?
26:12 When the Jalsa is being held, people used to go there.
26:20 They used to go there in the beginning.
26:22 Later, it was confirmed that it is possible.
26:24 There was a long march of former Prime Minister Imran Khan.
26:28 He was not the Prime Minister at that time.
26:31 He was the Waziristan Wali.
26:33 Do you remember?
26:34 He was the one who gave support to foreign media.
26:36 I will tell you a story.
26:38 A large number of people disappeared from Balkhshar.
26:42 Dada gave a commitment to reach D.A. Khan.
26:47 We had a camp at Gandapur Sahib's house.
26:51 Half of the people disappeared from Balkhshar.
26:54 People came back from there.
26:55 This is how it happens.
26:56 People meet and then disappear.
26:58 They are making sure that they have their own management.
27:01 There is one more thing.
27:04 Every division has an in-charge and a coordinator.
27:08 A revolution is going to happen.
27:09 I am telling you.
27:10 The party has to organize.
27:12 You cannot just sit and do magic.
27:14 You have to do everything.
27:16 When people have to come and participate in Jalsa,
27:18 there is a momentum.
27:19 The in-charge of Rawalpindi division is Saad Rafiq.
27:22 The district coordinator is Atta Tarar.
27:26 He has started meetings in the Girdhonawar division.
27:30 I think, every district has 6 to 12 buses.
27:37 Where are these people going to stand?
27:39 In Minar-e-Pakistan.
27:40 Will they come?
27:41 Minar-e-Pakistan is outside India.
27:44 To the airport?
27:45 No, not to the airport.
27:46 They are not going to the airport.
27:47 It is a security risk.
27:49 They are not afraid of the danger.
27:52 They don't want to create a wave.
27:55 They want to sit in the buses and people can reach Minar-e-Pakistan.
28:00 They will come by helicopter.
28:04 And the helicopter will be provided by the Punjab government?
28:07 They will come by chartered flight from Dubai.
28:11 When they are travelling from Dubai,
28:14 there will be a chartered plane.
28:17 They will land in Lahore on that chartered plane.
28:19 It will not be a commercial flight.
28:21 It will be Qatar, Saudi, UAE.
28:24 You can hire anyone.
28:26 Seriously?
28:27 What is the difference between a chartered and a routine flight?
28:29 It is not a commercial flight.
28:31 It is a flight that you rent.
28:34 It is not a rental car.
28:36 It is a rental plane.
28:37 You rent a jet.
28:39 You can take a flight anywhere you want.
28:43 The chairman of PTI had made a rickshaw for you.
28:48 You don't see it in anyone else's pocket.
28:52 You can spend it in your son's or anyone else's pocket.
28:57 You don't see it in the pocket of an ATM like Jangeet.
29:01 This is the real problem.
29:03 He says that he will bring his own jet.
29:06 We can take it anywhere we want.
29:09 You know Khawar Guman.
29:11 There are not more than 200-300 people in Imran Khan's Jalsa.
29:14 And they say that it is a camera trick.
29:16 It is 100,000, 100,000, 1,000,000.
29:19 They talk nonsense.
29:21 They have no support.
29:23 You have no idea that Nawaz Shiv has support all over the world.
29:29 He has made a man from Islamabad the in-charge of the whole world.
29:33 He has done two things.
29:35 One is propaganda, one is a lie.
29:37 And the third is that he will have 10 million people at the airport.
29:40 You can see.
29:42 You can book a seat, Mr. Khawar Guman.
29:45 I will try to reach there first.
29:48 Do you remember?
29:50 You know, Chairman Tarik Khan has come to Adela Jail.
29:53 I went there and some of my friends went there.
29:56 The PDM's government also did something.
29:58 Listen to me.
29:59 I had not gone out of Adela Jail.
30:01 I said that the Chairman of PTI has come.
30:03 I went out of the jail.
30:05 I went to see how many people were there.
30:07 I found out that no one came.
30:09 I said, no, lie.
30:11 He said that no one else came.
30:13 I said that not even a single worker came.
30:15 He said that the main door of Adela Jail is open.
30:17 Imagine.
30:18 Not even a single person came.
30:20 I was listening.
30:21 Only one.
30:22 The party is over.
30:23 Leave it.
30:24 Why do you go after the PTI?
30:26 It is over.
30:27 We are talking about the Tariqat.
30:29 You start talking to Nawaz Sharif.
30:31 Earlier he was saying that he is not coming.
30:33 He has not come back.
30:35 Now he is coming back.
30:36 Before his return, people are doing this and that.
30:39 We want the country to improve.
30:42 We want political stability in the country.
30:44 We want economic stability.
30:46 You are telling us about the revolution.
30:48 You want economic stability.
30:50 Yes, you are telling us about economic stability.
30:52 But we are afraid of Mr. Dhar.
30:54 You are saying that Mr. Dhar has to come along.
30:56 If Mr. Dhar comes along, then I don't know about the stability.
31:00 When the results will come after the elections,
31:02 when the government is formed,
31:03 then we will talk about economic stability.
31:05 Nazir, the Chief Executive of the Nigrah,
31:07 our Chief Executive,
31:09 how many days has it been?
31:11 Do you know since when he has gone out?
31:13 How many days has it been?
31:15 I don't know.
31:17 It has been a week or a week and a half.
31:19 You have not contacted him?
31:21 No, I have not contacted him.
31:22 I have not met him.
31:24 He is not a direct third party.
31:26 He is surrounded by his own people.
31:28 I think it has been 13 days.
31:30 He has attained the status of a Umrah.
31:33 MashaAllah.
31:34 May Allah bless him.
31:35 When he was asked,
31:36 that Mr. Nawaz Sharif is coming,
31:39 he is obviously a convict.
31:41 He is not a convict, he is a criminal.
31:44 He was being punished.
31:46 He was in jail.
31:47 When he comes back,
31:48 what will be his status?
31:50 After the break,
31:52 Mr. Nigrah has answered this question.
31:55 Maybe he will give an interview to BBC.
31:57 Stay with us.
31:58 Welcome back.
32:03 When he was asked,
32:05 Mr. Nigrah, our Chief Executive,
32:07 was on a foreign mission for the last 13 days.
32:11 He visited various countries.
32:13 Did he answer this question?
32:16 We have told the Ministry of Justice,
32:19 that the administration of the government,
32:22 what should be the administrative attitude according to the law.
32:26 Before going to the UNGA,
32:29 I had asked them.
32:31 As soon as I return to my country,
32:34 I will call a meeting.
32:37 I will reflect on these questions.
32:40 We want the law to choose its own path.
32:44 Mr. Ghulam Sain,
32:47 you heard the answer,
32:49 that the law should choose its own path.
32:51 What do you think?
32:53 Obviously, there is a disagreement on this.
32:55 There is a problem.
32:57 If bail is not protected,
33:01 then the Punjab government,
33:04 the Nigrah government,
33:06 the Bafaaq government,
33:08 Islamabad government,
33:10 any government that will land in Pakistan,
33:13 will be presented as a criminal.
33:15 They will have to present themselves
33:17 in front of the authorities.
33:19 There is a possibility that
33:22 there are friends in Diyala.
33:25 Chaudhary Parvez Lai is already in Diyala.
33:28 He has worked with the party.
33:31 There is also Shah Maud Qureshi.
33:33 He has also been a part of the Noon League.
33:35 If I am not mistaken.
33:37 There is a party that has ended.
33:39 I think it is Kisai Parina.
33:41 Mr. Hassan Ayub is not getting any lift.
33:43 You should meet him there.
33:45 No, no, it is not like that.
33:47 Here, they are making all the arrangements.
33:49 They have some good friends.
33:54 They are trying to get the protocol
33:57 of the Nigrah government.
33:59 No one will have the courage
34:01 to go near them.
34:03 What do you think?
34:05 It is amazing.
34:07 The person who has come to save the country
34:09 and to cross the nation's
34:11 sinking ship,
34:13 all the laws will be changed for him.
34:17 Before Pakistan enters,
34:19 they will give him a clean title.
34:21 They will make him wear a garland of flowers.
34:24 All the state institutions,
34:26 who told you that they will arrest him?
34:29 And Adiala jail.
34:31 His enemies are sitting there.
34:33 It is okay there.
34:35 Hassan, you remember when
34:37 Nawaz Sharif went abroad in 2019.
34:39 The federal government
34:41 took out his name from the ECL.
34:43 But despite all this,
34:45 Lahore High Court had to give a decision.
34:48 Because obviously,
34:50 he is a criminal.
34:52 They had to take him out.
34:54 Why did they do that?
34:56 There are many ifs and buts.
34:58 The biggest if is that
35:00 if he does not get bail.
35:02 This is a very difficult question.
35:04 I said if in English.
35:06 If he does not get bail,
35:08 what is the possibility
35:10 of you being a court reporter?
35:12 If a criminal is coming from abroad,
35:14 how will the state deal with him?
35:16 According to the law of Pakistan,
35:18 the person who is a criminal
35:20 will be given a clean title.
35:22 And according to the law,
35:24 the person who is a criminal
35:26 will be arrested.
35:28 But in this case,
35:30 if you think that
35:32 Nawaz Sharif will be arrested,
35:34 then you need to wake up.
35:36 Seriously.
35:38 What do you think?
35:40 Wait a minute.
35:42 Please understand my question.
35:44 I am asking you a question.
35:46 Don't ask questions in pieces.
35:48 Ask a proper question.
35:50 You have understood my question.
35:52 You have thought about it.
35:54 If he does not get bail,
35:56 if he does not get bail,
35:58 then of course there will be a court order.
36:00 It does not depend on you
36:02 what you want or what I want.
36:04 Of course.
36:06 If he does not get bail,
36:08 then despite that,
36:10 he will not be arrested.
36:12 Actually, the justice
36:14 of the facilitation has ended.
36:16 The facilitation system
36:18 has ended.
36:20 So now,
36:22 the legal remedies
36:24 that are available to a person,
36:26 all the legal remedies
36:28 are available to the former Prime Minister,
36:30 Mohammad Nawaz Sharif.
36:32 Why don't you understand this?
36:34 A person who himself,
36:36 what is protected bail?
36:38 The absconder,
36:40 he becomes a criminal.
36:42 You can answer your own question
36:44 if you want to.
36:46 Answering my question is my right.
36:48 Answering your question is your right.
36:50 You will listen to me.
36:52 You have patience.
36:54 I am a criminal.
36:56 I am a criminal.
36:58 I am a criminal.
37:00 I took permission from the court
37:02 and I got sick.
37:04 I went out of the country to get treatment.
37:06 I promised that I will come back.
37:08 I am coming back.
37:10 My colleagues go to the court
37:12 and say that our person is coming
37:14 and we want protective bail.
37:16 They don't get bail.
37:18 In that case, what will be the handling
37:20 according to the law?
37:22 I am not asking about your wish.
37:24 According to the law,
37:26 what will happen to a criminal like me?
37:28 What will be my fate
37:30 when I land back in Pakistan?
37:32 Your fate will be that
37:34 the one who has committed 302,
37:36 our law gives him BBA.
37:38 It is not that he doesn't get BBA.
37:40 The one who has committed murder,
37:42 gets BBA.
37:44 The one who goes to the court
37:46 to get protective bail,
37:48 means that the one who
37:50 had fled from the court,
37:52 is presenting himself in front of the court.
37:54 This is the meaning of BBA
37:56 or protective bail.
37:58 You didn't hear my answer.
38:00 You didn't hear my answer.
38:02 You didn't hear my answer.
38:04 You didn't hear my answer.
38:06 We will talk about this issue again next week.
38:08 The question is that
38:10 if a criminal goes to the country,
38:12 and if he returns as a criminal,
38:14 the legal experts think that
38:16 he will be arrested.
38:18 If he gets bail,
38:20 like the court gave him bail before he went,
38:22 they said that he can go.
38:24 If the court gives permission,
38:26 then it is obvious.
38:28 But Hassan Ayub is saying that
38:30 nothing will happen.