LIVE Patriots Beat: Day 18 Training Camp Recap

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00:00 another live edition of the Patriots beat podcast in our last

00:04 I think we're good. Keep going. Keep going. All right, and our last training camp daily podcast here, but um

00:15 Brian Heinz from Pats pulpit as always with Alex Barth from 98 5 at the sports hub and

00:21 Before we break down that last training camp practice

00:24 There was a bit of some good news in the health department because Mike on when you made his first

00:30 Appearance and a limited fashion as you would expect from someone who hasn't been in the football field

00:35 All year, but he was activated off the pop list today

00:39 He's been dealing with that, you know ankle rehab from ankle surgery wasn't there all spring

00:44 he hasn't been there all summer up until today, but

00:47 Some some good news there on the offensive line

00:51 Which you know, we needed at this point at this point of the summer that big Mike is back

00:55 Yeah, it's big. It's big news. There's finally maybe some resources coming to help out this offensive line and we didn't see a ton of

01:04 him today just

01:05 Individual positional drills and I'd say for what it was he moved around fine didn't take part in any team drills

01:10 But this encourages me because I I don't think they would have activated him if there wasn't a chance

01:16 He could play even if not week one like weeks two or three, right?

01:18 He's got to miss six weeks if he's on PUP, so they plan on having him early in the season, which I definitely think is

01:24 encouraging I

01:27 Now the question becomes is gonna be a right guard or right tackle

01:31 My theory is that they might be setting him up to play right tackle because they're moving Riley reef in a right guard

01:35 He's been good there. So the reason you don't kick him back out to tackle fill in is you want to keep that continuity?

01:40 So we'll see what happens there but getting him back is big

01:42 I'm actually more worried about Cole strange for week one at this point than I am about Mike on when oh

01:47 Yep, strange was he was out there but not in pads or anything today

01:52 So he's up to at least two weeks without practicing here. But yeah on when new it's like if they were thinking of putting him

02:00 Back at right guard you think they'd be you know back to experimenting reef at right tackle

02:05 but he's still been mostly inside with the city out there at right tackle, so

02:10 We were not gonna know probably until week one here

02:15 Right. This is our last practice that that we have full access to so this is probably gonna be

02:20 We're gonna get out there an hour and a half before that week one game and see what they're what they're cooking up here on

02:26 the offensive line, well

02:28 Yeah, we'll get injury reports. We'll have kind of an idea right at least of where he's at

02:32 Like if he's a DNP the first week, that's not a great sign

02:35 I think technically based on what he did today. They could list him as a DNP because he didn't do any team drills

02:40 Okay, I think I the the the guidelines on that are fuzzy, but I do think the I

02:49 Just getting him back to good sign again. I think there's a chance he plays you want to they need him

02:53 They need him because it was another rough day for city

02:56 So it's another rough day for the offensive line as a whole

02:58 Eight sacks combined for Mac Jones Bailey's happy between 42 dropbacks or the numbers Andrew Callahan had

03:05 They got to get this thing figured out because right now they look we've seen a lot of promising things from the receivers

03:09 I think we saw some more that today Kendrick Bourne had a really good day caught a couple of deep balls for Mac Jones

03:14 But I think at least one of those probably would have been a sack

03:18 Like it in Mac kind of right Mac kind of threw it later and look born still ran his route

03:22 That has nothing to do with it would have been a sack or not

03:24 So we need credit for that, but they got to be able to get this thing blocked. Yeah, absolutely and

03:29 McDermott still out right so that that's kind of the thing. We're gonna be waited on here is

03:36 You know, they have Brown Andrews a win new we'll see strange with that right tackle or right guard if it's reef and a win

03:43 Who's out but that's the thing that we're still gonna wait wait and see here

03:46 But yeah, it wasn't great today. All right, a lot of sacks as I just mentioned, but

03:51 I

03:53 Thought Mac. What'd you think of Mac? I thought there were some good throws today mentioned the deep one the born

03:59 He had a nice really nice ball to first sir and hunter Henry there late in an 11 session

04:04 But I don't know. What'd you think of Mac today?

04:07 He was solid solid day for him kind of what he's been all camp

04:10 He was you know, and there were no like massive throws, but I thought he was putting the ball where he needed to put it

04:15 We work it

04:16 I mean it kind of like Bill said the other day is working with what he's given right now the offensive lines definitely impacting him

04:21 As it is for Bailey's happy as it was for trace McSorley back when he actually practiced but I yeah

04:28 I thought he was fine fine day. How long have we gone now without?

04:31 Trace actually getting a throw in practice here. It's been a while

04:35 I it's kind of becoming that what exactly is it that you do hear meme?

04:38 And I said it going to that first that first preseason game

04:42 I think he was here just in case Malik Cunningham wasn't ready to be that third scout team quarterback and

04:46 Malik honey games at the very least ready for that might be ready for more but at the very least ready for that so

04:52 Yeah, I don't know. I just sorely still here. Honestly when I saw that they

04:56 Signed Marquand McCall yesterday and obviously that didn't work out if people missed it. He failed his physical

05:01 Which explains why he got cut like I was very surprised to get caught as were a lot of people in Carolina

05:06 That would be why but I thought it was gonna be McSorley was gonna be the one to go when they signed McCall yesterday

05:13 If he clears waivers, can he go to?

05:17 Carolina's IR. Do you know how that works? They could they could sign him and I are him

05:22 Okay, I don't know if you can I don't think you can sign somebody directly to IR

05:27 Well, yeah, they could sign him and well, they I think they'd have to wave him again to get him on IR

05:31 but generally those IR waver placements like

05:34 We don't have the trend to win the transaction log for today to trade Nixon officially get through he did

05:39 He cleared so he reverted that about New England's IR

05:42 It's very rare those guys get claimed and it's kind of an unspoken thing

05:46 Like if you remember way back the Patriots claimed

05:48 Tyler Gaffney from actually from the Panthers and the Panthers were like not happy about it because they're trying to get him on IR

05:54 So they could if they wanted to I guess we'll have to wait and see if they do that

05:57 I'm kind of surprised Patriots like he's a promising player. We've seen them do that. It's like they did a Gaffney just

06:02 Sign Mark Juan McCall. He doesn't pass the physical

06:05 I are um, and then you still have that guy next year and he's a good player

06:08 maybe it's something where there's like a

06:11 Lingering issue with the knee a degenerative issue with Disney something like that where he's just not gonna be healthy

06:16 And maybe that's why they failed them. But yeah, so no Mark one McCall

06:20 But yeah, I thought that there was a chance that McSorley we get a spot. Yeah disappointed on the call

06:27 we both liked him, but

06:29 Carl Davis was limited today. So that maybe that had something to do with it. That was the first time

06:34 I think he's been limited but maybe I think that I think the run defense against Green Bay had something to do with it

06:39 It wasn't good

06:40 That's gonna be my biggest thing to watch in all honestly in all honesty going into Thursday night Friday night and they have a good

06:47 They're facing a good run opponent, obviously in the Titans Derrick Henry, but they were a good

06:51 Run defending team last year, so I'm not willing

06:54 I'm not ready to say like oh, they're gonna I'm gonna stop the run all year because of three drives in the preseason

07:00 but I would like to see them show me something to

07:02 Knock down those fears a little bit and kind of knock down those worries and just prove last week was an off week

07:08 Emily Malik Willis will be a good test right that much a good point running quarterback. So that'll be

07:16 Exciting to watch and will lettuce can move a little too. I don't say Malik Willis level, but you know, he's pretty mobile

07:23 He can run around back there. So that'll be good to see them against kind of that mobile defense

07:27 Hopefully we got some Marte Mapu in there. We haven't seen him all the preseason games, but

07:33 That'd be enticing but back to the offense quick. You mentioned big day for Kendrick Bourne. He's just he looks awesome this year

07:42 Just he's open like every time whether he gets the ball or not it looks and then Keisha booty

07:46 Another really big day for him a few catches two touchdowns. I think one to end practice from Mac. So

07:53 This receivers Douglas was limited. We should say Taekwon still wasn't there

07:58 But I don't know booty and Borna are just looking awesome the last few days

08:02 Yeah, it's it's gonna be really interesting to see they I don't know how they knock either those guys these guys off the roster

08:10 They I think they both kind of have to make the team at this point

08:12 Especially if Taekwon Thorne is gonna be hurt

08:14 Six wide receivers a lot but you carry all those guys you put Taekwon on IR at the start of the season

08:19 And that's how you get the third tight end back on the roster, right?

08:22 That's how you end up signing Matt Sokol or Anthony perks or after you wave them or maybe that's where a guy like Shawn

08:28 Wade or a mere speed makes the roster or maybe another defensive lineman

08:32 Maybe a guy like chasing Hines makes the roster in that way. I just I I

08:37 Really think that they need those two guys to make the team and the other thing about it is even if he is healthy

08:41 What exactly is Taekwon Thorne's role in this offense?

08:43 What exactly is he doing? I know why he's making the team because he's a second round pick and he's fast player on the team

08:48 And maybe he'll field stretch a little bit but tomorrow Douglas gonna give you some of that

08:52 Certainly, I even the cage on booty to an extent can give you some of that. He is the straight line speed

08:58 So I have no problem if they I don't think they I arm before the 53

09:04 They're not gonna throw Taekwon Thorne season away, but I arm after he gets on 53. I

09:08 Agree with you

09:10 I think booty if he has this explosiveness back that he kind of looks like right like he could threaten some defenses

09:16 And I know Devante Parker isn't like known for it

09:20 But he kind of looks like he has an extra gear like vertically at times that this this summer

09:25 He's beat a few guys going along. I know yeah, we weren't there but it sounded like that one against Green Bay, right?

09:32 It was kind of like he just ran past them. It wasn't one of the jump balls deep down

09:36 So that's what a lot of the

09:37 I've heard other people say like Evan Lazar has been big on this take that Parker looks more explosive this year than he has

09:42 in the past, yeah, so

09:44 again, that's like if that was Taekwondo like this field stretcher and you have other guys like

09:50 Douglas and booty and even Parker being able to do that. It just looks

09:55 Grim for Taekwon from a playing time standpoint

09:59 Yeah, and that's what I'm saying again. Like what I understand why he's making the team but

10:04 What what then what right I can see where DeMario Doug was gonna play

10:10 I can't necessarily see where Keisha booty's gonna play this year

10:13 But he's a guy you want to keep because he's gonna play in the future. I don't Taekwon

10:18 How much guaranteed money's Taekwon Thornton have on his?

10:22 Contract after this year

10:27 He has no guaranteed money after this year

10:30 So the only guys really on the books after this year juju and Parker I would keep

10:37 Keisha on booty around I would really try to keep Keisha booty around

10:40 That's another reason just to keep them both for the future. But yeah, I think Taekwon is like if you start them on IR

10:47 it's you have a four-week trial of

10:49 booty and Douglas and

10:52 If they're looked apart like they do on the practice fields like I think Taekwon is buried

10:56 But if maybe they you know might need a little seasoning there then he could work his way back to that rotation

11:02 But yeah, I'd agree. That's like kind of where it looks like it's headed here

11:05 Yeah, yeah, and you mentioned that that third third tight end spot

11:12 Anthony Ferg sir had one of like the best plays of the day ran this little like out corner route

11:18 Really well and Mac hit him in stride. I think to build peppers wasn't covered coverage

11:23 Yeah, will line came over gave him like a huge attaboy. So I don't know that still looks like it's first sir and

11:30 Sokol I know Johnny Lumpkin and like two catches in the flat today, but I

11:35 Don't know or one of those guys catching your eyes more folks are so cool there. I

11:40 Go back and forth again. I think it's what are you asking them to do right week one?

11:46 I want Matt so cool on the roster because you're gonna need the extra blocker

11:48 But I do think Furker's flash firks first perks are just flash a little bit as a receiver

11:54 I I still but neither one of them shown me enough that like I'm

11:57 53 yeah, I think they're still practice squad guys. You elevate as needed. Yeah

12:02 Zeke we gotta talk about Zeke spoke to us for the first time and

12:09 He keeps just you know up taking his usage here and a lot of goal line work today

12:15 Which I thought was it was pretty noticeable and I thought his best play of the day came on a pass pro rep

12:21 It was like a play action and he came he was like faking right and then he came all the way back across the formation

12:28 left picked up a defender let Mac hit born on like a little short shallow route, but

12:34 Between that the goal line work like he kind of looks as as advertised here and we'll see, you know

12:39 That's straight line or that speed in the open field how much he's got left in the tank

12:43 But I think everything we're seeing from Zeke so far is what we've kind of expected and that's a good thing for this running back

12:49 room, I

12:50 Still think it's it's about how are they gonna use him? Is he gonna be situational?

12:54 Is it gonna be a drive-by-drive, but they keep working memory like yesterday?

12:57 He worked a lot in the in the passing game today. He worked a lot in a red zone seems like they're getting

13:01 Him ready for everything which I think is good because I would love to see them

13:05 Distribute the reps drive-by-drive rather in situation. They haven't done that a long time and look they've had players who are really good situationally

13:13 I understand why they did it but it's a bit more modern of a thing now to have that more well-rounded running back

13:18 So I'd like to see that. Yeah, that'd be a good rotation

13:20 But I know we touched on the offensive line briefly that anything

13:24 Specific kind of catch your eye there that we didn't you know talk about a rough day for Trent Brown today

13:30 He got run over a couple times

13:32 Wise yeah city so still doesn't look good. Rather your reef had her run a lap

13:36 He'd a false start on the first play of the day

13:39 Offensive lines rough offensive line is in rough shape right now and they'll get Michael Nunez back and that's good

13:45 But they got a long way to go to get ready for week one

13:47 One thing I just quick note that I brought up kind of yesterday

13:51 Maybe as a something they might you know experiment with here was there was one rep where?

13:56 Antonio Moffie kind of got walked back and they put they swapped chasing Hines out for him

14:02 And then I think they swapped a few times that period but chasing Hines another one of those guys who?

14:07 you know kind of come on the last week or two and

14:10 it's tough with the three rookies to like try to bump one of those off the roster just because they're mid-round rookies, but

14:17 He's impressive and they seem like they're giving them a little more run here

14:22 But I don't know if that's gonna be enough to you know, supplant one of these rookies going forward

14:26 Yeah, yeah, I'd agree with that. Yeah, but that's pretty much all I had offensively

14:33 We can go to the defense

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15:21 All right, let me ask you this first are you oh my dad asked me every day when you know after practice

15:34 How's his bet looking because he's got Patriots over seven and a half wins. Where are you on that?

15:38 I'm over on that. I've seen the eight and a half number out there a little bit that one. Um

15:43 It's probably about I have them like eight or nine wins

15:47 I think over seven and a half is a decent decent number. I took you caught over five wins earlier today

15:53 So that's my bet. That's the UConn. Okay, some people have Patriots at

15:58 six and a half six and a half you should be fine a

16:03 My fear has always been and say what you will about his decisions last couple years

16:07 I don't think all of them have been great

16:08 But I think the cam Newton year proved this when they really had a nothing of a roster bill Belichick's worth six wins

16:13 Yeah walking in the door. So I think six seven you're in good shape

16:18 It's that is like eight nine nine and eighteen

16:22 No

16:22 they'll start pushing that double digits if really all the what-ifs go right if they can figure out the

16:27 offensive line and if Mac truly bounces back from last year and

16:30 You know, they really get Kendrick Bourne involved and Keon white and Christian's awesome our team up where the players they are

16:35 We think they are then you start can start talking about 10 11 wins

16:39 But I am like I've been saying I've been saying this a lot when I get asked about Patriots record

16:43 I hate hate hate that they moved to 17 games and you go right to 18 because I missed the easy out of a take

16:51 That was there a 500 team and you can't say that anymore. You know, Evan eight eight one Evan

16:56 I think they're pretty 500. I always yeah, I put up in that eight to ten win range. So yeah, seven and a half

17:03 I think it is pretty good, but

17:05 We can jump over the defense. I

17:08 Think kind of the story of the the defense came late at the end there with Christian Gonzalez

17:15 All right. It looked like he went up and kind of came down and hurt that left leg ankle. He

17:21 Hopped over on his healthy foot over to the training staff

17:24 Table got checked out and then he came back for the last like team huddle and looked like he was walking pretty fine after that

17:32 So maybe they avoided something serious

17:34 But I don't know. Did you see anything else on?

17:37 Gonzalez on that injury front and are you kind of in that same boat there where they might have avoided something?

17:43 I thought the way he walked back over to the huddle was encouraging like he I know some people get on it

17:50 Cuz Phil said he was limping. I said he wasn't limping. I'd call it walking gingerly

17:53 I would understand if Phil would call it a limp. I'm not gonna disagree with Phil

17:57 I think that was a different of definition. I think people saw the same thing. I

18:00 Don't think we'll see him Friday. They'll be careful if they see him if we see him Friday, that's a great

18:06 great sign

18:07 But didn't look to me like the way he kind of walked away from the trainers instead of the trainers walking with him like that

18:13 That's not a guy that they're worried about for week one. Yeah, probably if it was something they wanted to go check out

18:18 maybe maybe they would have just taken him right in but

18:21 Yeah, he did rejoin that final team huddle and we should have mentioned it with the offense hunter Henry kind of had that same

18:27 situation late in practice went like down to catch like a diving pass and

18:33 Something something wasn't right there and he kind of shook off the trainers

18:38 But he never came back it into the play that into and to take any more reps

18:43 So another injury to kind of monitor there, so we'll see we'll see guys forward

18:48 but

18:50 With the bad offensive line play there was good

18:52 Defensive line play and we mentioned, you know

18:56 Dietrich why is rotting over a Trump Brown a few times but Matt you don was

19:00 Matt you don't right if there were any concerns about him, which I don't know why there would be he was awesome today

19:06 At least like three sacks pressures key on white who missed some time

19:11 Or got hurt at the end of the Green Bay week. He was kind of back out there and full participant

19:17 He looked really good the bomb God shall got involved. I think you quali. It's pushing the pocket at some time

19:22 So that's that's what we expect from that unit and they were looking the part today, especially against this offensive line

19:28 And that's where I just go and I'm like, it's not the resistance level isn't high

19:32 Well, they weren't on the highest difficulty. So they look good Dietrich wise looked very overpowering and particularly thought today, but

19:38 Gotta see him against a real unit. Yeah, it's like the Jets and hard knocks right like that

19:44 Nasty defensive front just first. Yeah

19:47 horrible offensive line, that's

19:49 Those Pat's Jets games are gonna be something this year. Those are gonna. Oh, yeah, baby

19:55 That old-school, Iowa, Iowa

19:59 South Dakota State score is a 5-2 football games past Jets. I can't wait some sicko football

20:05 the

20:07 One last year at Gillette was bad exact all that. I love that. I tweeted after that game

20:12 I love this stupid sport so much and that's gonna be like my thing now cuz I I

20:16 I'm sorry, if you didn't enjoy that game

20:19 You don't really get what the point of football and what there is to enjoy about football

20:24 I I was sitting next to Michael Hurley Michael Hurley wanted people jailed for that game having the second half and I

20:30 Yeah, that was that was peak 2022 Patriots

20:39 So

20:41 Anything else defensively Marcus Jones, I know yeah, he seemed to have a good day

20:48 I think play mostly on the boundary again, right? So they keep kind of rotating those corners. John Jones is still out

20:55 So just kind of rotating these guys there and I thought Marcus Jones played well today doctor

21:00 Yeah, I thought Marcus Jones was one of the best players said I'm really encouraging play cuz if he's gonna have to play on

21:06 the boundary

21:07 Fighting through Devante Parker a block from Devante Parker to blow up a screen pass great sign

21:11 Yeah, I still don't love the idea of him on the boundary

21:14 I don't know what their insistence is of putting these five eight corners on the boundary him miles Bryant like these are not

21:19 boundary players and I

21:21 Already had to see them do this miles Bryant who as I've said before I'm not as down on as most people I think they

21:25 Play him out of position. I've already had to see them kind of

21:28 Show screw around with him. No, let's not do it a Marcus Jones. He's a really good football player

21:33 let's put Marcus Jones in a position where he can succeed and

21:36 And and see what he turns into there use them in the slot corner use them as a nickelback use them as a dime back

21:41 I I just don't in some matchups

21:45 You're playing Miami. You want to put him on the boundary against the guy like Jalen Waddle? Yeah, that makes sense

21:50 I could even say maybe week one if that's what they were preparing for

21:53 He's a guy that could probably cover Devante Smith just based on the speed

21:56 I don't need to see Marcus Jones on T Higgins again. I don't need to see to Marcus

22:00 Marcus Jones on Devante Adams again, please enough of that the 5 8 5 10 corners can't cover the 6 5 receivers in last year

22:08 I sort of get it didn't have anybody else you have other options this year. You have Christian Gonzalez

22:12 you you you have

22:14 Jalen Mills you want to put it back out there?

22:17 I would think one of a mere speed or Shawn Wade or even Isaiah Bolton if he gets healthy off the practice squad is a

22:22 Guy you can use on a matchup basis

22:25 Even Jonathan Jones like I'm at the point where 510 Jonathan Jones put him out there 5 8 miles Bryant 5 8 Marcus Jones

22:31 I've seen enough of it. I don't need to see it anymore. It's not gonna work. It's not a skill thing

22:35 They're both very talented players

22:37 Marcus Jones even said this a certain point when you're 5 8 and ride receiver 6 5 and they throw the ball up

22:42 What do you do? Yeah, right, especially when that ride receiver has an insane vertical Margaret Jones a good vertical. So do these big receivers? So

22:50 There's only so many times you can seem get Moss before you have to wonder like at what point do they try something?

22:55 else, yeah

22:56 Last year was like they had to do it because they didn't have depth

22:59 But yeah, they don't they have the depth this year so you shouldn't have to have to do that

23:03 Where are you kind of on?

23:06 John Jones here because it's been I think 20 days exactly. So almost three weeks. Are you I know we've seen him

23:14 Kind of rehab and off to the side

23:16 Conditioning but are you nervous at all about his week one status here?

23:21 Do you think he's gonna be good to go for that Philly game?

23:24 Sorry, who is that cut out for second John Jones John Jones

23:28 The report was they were optimistic. We've kind of seen them a few times hasn't been in a while

23:32 But I remember before the the first week of joint practices. He was kind of out there hanging out

23:36 I'm not super worried about him. I I just think if it was

23:39 If it was more of an issue, you maybe would have seen them sign a corner or something. Yeah

23:44 so

23:47 You'd imagine yeah, you think optimistic that he's out there and Jack Jones spoke today, too

23:52 And he said he hopes he hopes he's available for week one

23:57 I will see he said he hadn't heard from the NFL about any sort of punishment or a possible suspension

24:04 So I know his court date is like three or four days now after that week one game

24:10 I believe and then like two or three days before somewhere in the middle between that week one a week two game. So

24:15 Looks like he he could be out there

24:18 and then if you have John Jones and the Sconzales injuries that much looks like they might have their full kind of stable back there, but

24:25 You know, we'll kind of wait wait and see how that thing shakes out

24:29 There's there's some question marks, but you hope those starters are out there

24:32 Yeah, you're just kind of waiting on that the way you're waiting on it. Yeah

24:35 but um

24:38 anything else defensively, I think that was

24:41 Yeah, I think that's pretty much it again kind of low tempo practice

24:47 Yeah, even though they had full pads, but kind of yeah kind of low tempo

24:51 But that was I think more to do some of the scout team stuff. Yeah

24:54 Okay, and we saw

24:58 speaking of scout team some Malik or Malik Cunningham a

25:02 Quarterback and did that thing really like he mixed in a few times for Zappi just in specific situations

25:09 So do you think we'll see him?

25:13 Friday Friday night the days are all jumbled but see him Friday night or is that like we don't help saw him to

25:19 Maybe try to sneak him onto the practice squad at this at this point. I hope we see him. I want to see him

25:25 I I don't think he's a prior

25:28 I think he's either on the roster. He's not there like I or like maybe he's on the practice. That's not a guy I

25:33 Just I just feel like there he's somebody you try to keep on the 53 because for him to be worth his value

25:41 Only twice during the season that makes it tough. So I think he's a guy that try to get on the roster out, right?

25:46 Yeah, and you keep seeing him do these other things right like Gunner

25:50 kick returner

25:53 Anything that and obviously still wide receiver

25:55 He's playing there a lot anything to make that roster spot valuable if they do do that

25:59 So looks like that might be where it's headed, but before we get into like a full, you know, talk about more Friday

26:06 We got to do special teams. There's some good and there are some bad so

26:11 Where do you want to start good or bad?

26:13 Let's start with the good because I think you need a you need a good victory lap on your boy. Okay, boomer there

26:19 Stop watch stop watch

26:22 Everybody in the comments on the last show one of booming her. So maybe that's what it is. Okay, so Bryce Boominger

26:28 Was awesome today. I think four punts for punts for each hit and Corliss weight man

26:34 He had two plus fives and then the other two were high four second hang times

26:41 So just kind of building off that that

26:44 Packers preseason game. He looked really good and wait a minute. I don't think was bad

26:49 I think he had one like low for sub four than a few like inside the 20, but it's just

26:55 That leg with Beringer. It's just so much more powerful and

26:59 Impressive what we've seen kind of throughout the spring and summer here. Yeah, he looked good today

27:04 Whatever that that was in Green Bay, whatever happened. He seems to be past it. So that's encouraging

27:10 Probably I think forget who said it but someone said it might have spent that seeing that first like live

27:15 Rush of a different opponent. Maybe that's yeah on his head or something, but I could see that it was also

27:20 He's still the primary holder, right? So when you're talking about that that punter battle, that's a big part of that, too

27:27 And he had it looked like he had a nice hold today

27:30 it was kind of a low snap and he recovered to get get a field goal up and through and

27:34 we'll take that to the field goal kickers because it was a bad day from Chad Ryland yesterday and

27:40 Nick folk was up today and wasn't great for him either. He finished

27:45 six of nine and he missed two two wide left and one kind of short to the right so

27:52 Looked all like that 35 50 yard range. So I

27:57 Don't know. Is it the old saying if you have two kickers you have no kickers or just kind of a

28:02 Rough two days here from these guys. It was a rough couple days. I'll say this. They're not cutting Chad

28:07 Ryland, they've never cut healthy fourth round pick under Bill Belichick. Maybe he Foxborough flews, but I doubt it

28:13 The two kicker things not going anywhere people. It's not going anywhere. And yeah, it's concerning to see them both struggle

28:19 I would have liked to see Ryland kick today. I

28:21 Have one guest I wanted three yesterday to see we bounce back

28:24 We won't see him again till the preseason game and then and that's it and then that's it - roster cuts

28:29 But I yeah rough rough close to camp for both kickers. Yeah. Yeah

28:34 I wanted him to kick just to see how he bounced back and recovered from yesterday, but

28:39 We'll see in the preseason even though they've given all the field goals to fault. I don't know if that's just

28:45 How it's worked or they want to you know, promote folk maybe for a trade, but we'll see how that kind of shakes out

28:52 Friday night, but yeah, the two kickers it's not going anywhere until they cut or trade Nick Falk. So we will find out

28:59 Was it Wednesday?

29:04 No Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday, okay, so we'll find out

29:07 Tuesday and we'll see if there's gonna be chaos that unfolds with the two the two kicker lineup. So

29:13 the only other special teams thing I had was

29:16 Amir speed has kind of taken that like Jordan high league role of like just working off to the side with the special teamers. So

29:25 He had a good

29:27 Good Houston game at preseason opener on special teams. He had a few noticeable plays

29:32 So as you're projecting these 53 man rosters, maybe if they do keep all these specialists

29:38 Maybe he's someone who qualifies for that for one of those roles

29:41 Yeah, and they need that other big cornerback to just like we kind of talked about so maybe that's that's how he gets on just

29:48 Depth everywhere depth on special teams depth the corner. Yeah, one of those depth role guys, but that was pretty much all I have from practice

29:55 I don't know if you had any other last things little again very very uneventful practice. Yeah and

30:02 The parts we could see when there wasn't a wall of offensive line, right?

30:06 It's so tough when we're on that lower field because you're like behind for all the players are standing

30:11 So you really can't see much especially I mean, I'm five nine. I'm a

30:14 you have to duck and weave through the little you know pockets of Bill Murray and

30:20 Whoever else is standing back there, but right

30:23 They do play their last few season game Friday and Tennessee Titans. So I'll ask you first

30:31 We expecting Mac we expecting some starters after they got

30:35 18 snaps or Mac at 18 snaps against Green Bay two days of work here

30:41 You you expecting the starters to roll out there Friday night? I think a little bit not a ton

30:45 Yeah, pretty much we saw last week, you know two or three drives. I am expecting them to play though. Yeah

30:50 Was it last year? They played like that whole first half in the third game. Oh, what you might be right

30:57 They've done things differently this year though, and they've done it. I don't this team's like kind of got banged up the last week and a

31:03 Half I would rather not play him personally

31:06 I they don't need to take any more injuries get him a series or two to get on the same page and that's it

31:10 Yeah, especially on offense

31:13 and they look I

31:16 Mean we haven't heard them say it was it I think it was a few weeks ago

31:20 Right when they said like where I had a schedule, right? Yeah, I don't know how much work live work

31:25 Do they need to get out there? We'll see. I was trying to pull up their last

31:29 I mean, they've acted like a team that's out of schedule. So their last preseason game was that disastrous Raiders game last year

31:35 Oh, that's right. That was a I wonder if they were originally supposed to play a half or if it was just so bad

31:41 They had to put him out there more than that

31:43 So I I wouldn't be surprised if that was a part of it

31:47 I don't see the snap counts here, but Mac was like 9 of 13. So and zappy was kind of for ya

31:54 so it looked like some decent work from them, but

31:56 yeah, that one was a disaster I remember but

32:00 Yeah, so any anyone else will see all these injuries how they if guys like Christian Gonzalez are out there or a key on

32:08 white guys who've gotten banged up lately, but

32:11 Any other specific players that are kind of on your mind that you'll be you know

32:16 Watching as they make one last kind of case for a roster spot here

32:19 Yes, I mentioned the run defense Malik Cunningham will be interesting to watch case on booty

32:23 We already do we touch on case on booty? I just did the sports of podcast with Matt dollop - so yeah, we did this

32:30 so yeah, um

32:32 The Amir speed kind of those those fringe roster guys

32:36 Yeah, that's that's who I'm gonna be watching those guys that are on the bubble and I wrote this week

32:42 I kind of defined what I think the Patriots bubble is right now. You can check that out on 98 5 the sports of comm

32:48 But yeah, just it's last chance proof those tight ends kind of all these guys you've talked about are they on our are they not?

32:54 On this is a lot of these these battles are coming right down to the wire. Yeah

32:59 Yeah, you said the best there but last thing I got do you think they have an open roster spot any?

33:05 Predictions position wise you think they'll even

33:08 Use that roster spot or just kind of carry that in like one of the cuts basically

33:13 No, I think yeah that that becomes a cut you carry that because you're not signing. Maybe they use it

33:18 If if a team starts doing their cuts early just sign a player they want on the roster

33:25 Right for the 53 or if they make a trade or whatever

33:29 They use that to roster that if they make a trade before cut downs are official

33:33 They just use that that roster spot to make it official a little earlier. But like I don't

33:37 You're not gonna see them sign somebody before the game

33:41 You're not gonna see them sign somebody for Tennessee, and I don't think you'll see them sign anybody before like Monday or Tuesday

33:45 Yeah, I like that. Josh has a good idea. Just use it on Justin Jefferson. Yeah

33:51 Oh, I mean, I didn't even think of that as a great idea Josh. Yeah, go get just Jefferson

33:54 No, like I at that point. Can we go get Trent Williams? Yeah, that'd be nice

33:59 Josh also had a think we'll see tomorrow Douglas. No, I mean we have a

34:05 Is he is Barry he I I got a nickname for tomorrow Douglas

34:09 So we're you got to figure out with Bryce Beringer whether it's booming er or a stopwatch

34:13 I think we call tomorrow Douglas the time capsule because he's buried

34:16 Okay, so do you think he's actually we already have the time Lord in Boston. That's it might be too close

34:22 I think it would pair well together if you have yeah, right

34:26 You think he's actually hurt here or it's just it might be a little nicked up, but I think it's a little bit of both

34:32 Yeah

34:33 That'll be interesting. But I'll say tomorrow Douglas already has a nickname. It's pop. That's true. Yeah

34:39 Maybe you could work those two together. So now yeah, I don't know. I don't know but um

34:44 Anything last things before we call this here the last last training camp show. Oh, you know what?

34:52 It is also the last show

34:55 before

34:57 Week zero. So Brian give me some takes on these weeks your college football matchups coming up

35:01 I honestly haven't even looked at them that closely. I know rookie move there, but

35:07 Alright, so me and me and Mike Catholic when it compared to Mike here

35:11 We go through like some of the lines some of the games

35:13 Notre Dame - 21 against Navy

35:17 In the Navy

35:21 Just for fun. I'm taking Navy. I'm taking a me in that one. I really am

35:24 Hawaii Vanderbilt Hawaii by 17 and a half or sorry Vanderbilt by 17 and a half

35:31 I'll go Hawaii. I think Hawaii might win that came out right Vanderbilt doesn't even have its own own

35:36 stadium right now

35:39 USC there's a big spread - 30 and a half against San Jose State

35:43 Wait, it was Vanderbilt the stadium that just like the end zone is knocked out. Yeah

35:48 Yeah, that's classic. Oh, what was the other one? I

35:54 USC - 30 and a half San Jose State. I'll go you see I'm going to USC my hang for 60

36:00 Oh, yeah, and then I am take this this lines actually moved to his eight and a half

36:05 It's down to six, New Mexico State favorite against UMass

36:08 Sickos game of the year you man one two teams that I think when I combined one game last year

36:14 I will be locked into that on Saturday night

36:16 I'll be watching it at the Bruce Springsteen concert because I'm a ridiculous person. I

36:20 New Mexico State's gonna blow doors against UMass. I'll say that right now. Yeah, they got ESPN for that game

36:27 Yeah, they did is it ESPN? I think it's ESPN something. No, it is ESPN. This just says yes

36:33 All right. All right, baby. Make the masses watch sickos football

36:38 That is who you got that's a New Mexico State. That's a good pick

36:43 One of my college stakes it's just always better against UMass

36:49 Well, New Mexico State's one of those things you can always bet against it. Yeah

36:52 All right

36:56 Well, I forgot the Ireland that's the Ireland game is the Navy one. Yeah, yeah

37:01 That'll be fun. So

37:03 Yep, but we'll be here to break down that UMass game some point this this weekend and maybe touch on the Patriots final

37:11 preseason game to in there, but

37:15 Until then that'll do it for us

37:16 So go follow Alex on Twitter at real Alex Barth and go read all his Patriots training camp coverage

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37:28 You can go follow me on twitter at I am Brian Hines and go read all my training camp coverage over at Pat's pulpit calm

37:34 Thank you all as always for tuning in and we will see you guys sometime soon

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