Appreciating the Jays + Sam Hauser Deep Dive | First to the Floor - video Dailymotion

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As the offseason descends into a deafening silence, let's pause for a moment and celebrate "the Jays", Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, for their contributions both on and off the court. What does Adam Silver's memo to the league mean for a potential Damian Lillard trade with the Heat? We also dive into Sam Hauser's potential and whether a leap is possible.   FanDuel Sportsbook is the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network! Visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON to get up to TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in bonus bets! Take your first swing at betting MLB on FanDuel and get TEN TIMES your first bet amount in bonus bets - up to TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS – win or lose.  21+ and present in MA. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Refund issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Hope is here. GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234. FanDuel – Official Partner of Major League Baseball.  Major League Baseball trademarks used with permission.

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00:00:00 (upbeat music)

00:00:02 (upbeat music)

00:00:05 - Who is gonna be first to the floor here?

00:00:15 And it is Marcus Smart as he usually is.

00:00:18 - The first round drives.

00:00:19 - Go way up on the ground.

00:00:20 - That's not the first time we've seen a superstar

00:00:23 in many ways sacrifice a body.

00:00:25 - Garnett knocked away.

00:00:27 (crowd cheering)

00:00:30 (upbeat music)

00:00:33 - Welcome in to another episode of First to the Floor.

00:00:37 Ben Ballas here, thank you for joining us.

00:00:39 Hope you're doing well.

00:00:39 We've got a pretty spicy one for you tonight.

00:00:42 I think given where we're at in the off season,

00:00:44 there will be another classic edition

00:00:46 of the Shard and Fretter Report.

00:00:48 We will be frothing over the Jays a bit

00:00:50 because they are awesome and we love them so very, very much.

00:00:53 There has been some ruster news, some gallo comments.

00:00:56 So there's plenty, plenty to get to.

00:00:58 Alongside me as always, it's Mr. Wayne Spooney.

00:01:01 Spooney, how you doing man?

00:01:03 Welcome back.

00:01:03 - I'm doing good.

00:01:04 Who cares about me, man?

00:01:06 Come on, we got somebody else here

00:01:08 who hasn't been on forever.

00:01:10 - Well said, we're very happy to welcome back

00:01:12 the man with the mistress, hot take, Jake Eisenberg.

00:01:15 Good to see you, Jake.

00:01:16 Welcome back, man.

00:01:17 How you doing?

00:01:18 How's the jet lag?

00:01:19 - Fellas, we're back.

00:01:22 The jet lag is full on.

00:01:26 40 plus hours to get back from the beach in Albania

00:01:30 to the tip of the world in Tasmania, Australia.

00:01:35 So rising the last two mornings has felt

00:01:39 like my body weight is 10X what it usually is.

00:01:42 But I get up, Ben's like, "You ready to upload these clips?"

00:01:46 Stream's ready to go and I'm like, "You're damn right."

00:01:49 Jumps out of bed, steaming shower.

00:01:51 No, we're good.

00:01:52 We're feeling good.

00:01:53 We're excited.

00:01:55 - Honestly, just to start it off,

00:01:57 like I listened, I tried to tap in where possible

00:01:59 across the off season, but I listened to the last one

00:02:03 or watched the last one on the balcony in Albania

00:02:06 and just get myself hyped up.

00:02:08 And I just wanted to say, like, this podcast is great.

00:02:13 Like I clearly am biased here,

00:02:16 but if you're listening to the podcast,

00:02:17 I'm sure you at least somewhat agree

00:02:20 that this is a pretty good show.

00:02:21 But I was like listening and I was legit proud

00:02:25 to be part of the crew.

00:02:26 And I was looking out into the horizon,

00:02:28 just getting hyped up to talk about the Jays,

00:02:31 the Celtics, and be back with Spoonie and Ben,

00:02:33 the fellas, and Jackson and Joe.

00:02:35 So yeah, I'm stoked.

00:02:36 I'm ready to roll.

00:02:38 - I love it, Mandy.

00:02:39 Too kind.

00:02:40 I was wondering why those Albania numbers

00:02:41 in the analytics were popping up there.

00:02:43 So very glad to see that you enjoyed the pod.

00:02:46 What was the highlight of your trip?

00:02:49 - I think it was Albania.

00:02:50 Getting to the mountains in a little town called Teth.

00:02:54 Hiking four or five hours a day

00:02:57 into some places called like the Blue Eyes Lagoon,

00:02:59 Valbone, really, really fun.

00:03:03 And I'll say in a Spoonie before we hopped on,

00:03:05 it kind of feels like I got there

00:03:06 before tourism's really hit it.

00:03:09 Like they have enough infrastructure

00:03:11 to support a little bit of tourism,

00:03:13 but it's, I feel like five, 10 years

00:03:16 before it really, really ramps up.

00:03:17 A lot of like half finished buildings,

00:03:20 half finished restaurants.

00:03:22 So that was really cool.

00:03:23 And like, I'm a big hiker and nature person

00:03:26 and the mountains there were pretty spectacular

00:03:29 up in the Albanian Alps.

00:03:30 So that's definitely the highlight for sure.

00:03:32 - Yeah, I noticed you saw Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown.

00:03:35 So they're frolicking around the mountains there,

00:03:36 the goats.

00:03:37 - Dude, so many goats.

00:03:39 Tom Brady, Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum.

00:03:41 I didn't get too close

00:03:43 'cause I did see some goats fighting from the balcony,

00:03:48 just like doing that.

00:03:49 Like they get up high and they go.

00:03:51 And then come down low, headbutt each other.

00:03:54 So I was careful to not to go too close

00:03:58 to the Jaylens and Jasons of Albania,

00:04:00 but just close enough to get some good content

00:04:02 for the timeline.

00:04:03 - The Marcus Smart goats out there taking charges.

00:04:07 - Yeah, the Derek White goat just leading the goats in blocks

00:04:12 - Wearing a Memphis jersey, doing a double take.

00:04:16 Now look, obviously very, very happy

00:04:21 to have Jake back and the crew back together.

00:04:24 And obviously shout out to Joe and Jackson

00:04:27 and the full crew there on,

00:04:29 I was gonna say the Celtics Reddit podcast,

00:04:30 the First of the Floor podcast.

00:04:32 Before we get to it,

00:04:33 and if you're not about housekeeping,

00:04:35 if you're a podcast listener,

00:04:36 fast forward 30, 45 seconds here, some housekeeping.

00:04:40 We've got some asks of you, the listener.

00:04:43 First of all, mailbag queues.

00:04:44 You can get us at firstofthefloor18@gmail.com

00:04:49 or in the YouTube comments or Twitter or whatever.

00:04:51 We want your mailbag questions.

00:04:53 I think we're finally getting to the point

00:04:54 where we have the confidence to ask listeners.

00:04:56 Like we think we've got a big enough listener base

00:04:58 to ask for mailbag questions.

00:05:00 Let us know, it's the off season, we need topics,

00:05:02 we need questions.

00:05:03 Let us know what you've got

00:05:04 and we'd be more than happy to address those on the podcast.

00:05:07 Also next week, we're hitting trivia.

00:05:09 We're starting round one of trivia

00:05:11 with the First of the Floor crew.

00:05:12 And then we're gonna bring in some

00:05:13 of our Celtics media friends for this trivia segment,

00:05:17 which will hopefully last a couple of weeks

00:05:19 and bridge the gap between now and media day.

00:05:21 Let us know your trivia question ideas,

00:05:23 your trivia segment or category ideas.

00:05:26 We've been running trivia off and on for the last few years

00:05:29 and like you do start to exhaust ideas after a little while.

00:05:32 So your input would be greatly appreciated.

00:05:34 Also, we're cutting up a new intro for the podcast,

00:05:37 Marcus Smart.

00:05:38 He features heavily in the intro.

00:05:40 While we wanna keep him around,

00:05:42 we kinda need to shift the focal point a little bit.

00:05:44 So if you've got any ideas for like First of the Floor

00:05:47 style gritty blips from Celtics history,

00:05:51 let us know, we'd love to hear your suggestions there.

00:05:53 Also, playback.

00:05:55 If you're not part of our playback room,

00:05:56 playback.tv/firstofthefloor,

00:05:59 where we have watch parties, usually for live games.

00:06:02 During the off season,

00:06:03 between now and when the season starts,

00:06:04 we're gonna hold a couple of watch parties for legacy games

00:06:08 and a few options here.

00:06:09 So League Pass has watchable games going back to like 2007.

00:06:14 For example, a good option there

00:06:15 would be Isaiah Thomas's 53 points on the Wizards

00:06:18 in game three in the 2017 playoffs.

00:06:21 Also, any full game on YouTube is also streamable

00:06:24 from a watch party perspective.

00:06:26 So the Celtics comeback against the Nets in 2002,

00:06:29 that's on YouTube.

00:06:30 That'd be a great option as well.

00:06:31 If you've got any suggestions for games

00:06:34 that we should watch as part of a watch party,

00:06:36 let us know as well.

00:06:37 You can find us, like I said,

00:06:39 at firstofthefloor18@gmail.com,

00:06:41 which is in the comments there.

00:06:42 Thanks to whichever one of you guys did that.

00:06:45 You can also get us @firstofthefloor on Twitter,

00:06:47 @WSpoonie if you wanna hit up Spoonie

00:06:49 or @JakeEisenberg as well.

00:06:51 And finally, Thursday night,

00:06:53 Green Runs Deep, Celtics super fan,

00:06:56 social media influencer, all around good guy.

00:06:59 I've only ever had extremely positive reactions

00:07:02 with this guy.

00:07:03 He's coming on the podcast Thursday night.

00:07:05 That's gonna be live here on our YouTube channel.

00:07:08 So check that out.

00:07:10 Okay, let's get into the meat of this podcast

00:07:13 and some news that broke between last night

00:07:16 when I finalized the run sheet

00:07:18 and today when we're starting the podcast.

00:07:20 Shams has this report.

00:07:21 The Boston Celtics have weighed guard/forward

00:07:24 Justin Champagny, sources tell The Athletic.

00:07:27 Champagny was signed to a multi-year deal

00:07:29 out of the NBA G League last season.

00:07:31 Now, some details here, guys.

00:07:33 Brad Stevens, he had to make a decision on Champagny

00:07:36 because he was not on the roster,

00:07:38 or if he was on the roster after today, I should say,

00:07:41 then he was guaranteed 50K, a nice chunk of change there.

00:07:44 So we'll get to some cap implications in a second,

00:07:48 but Jake, you're fresh, you're back from Albania.

00:07:51 I wanna throw to you first your take

00:07:53 on the waving of Justin Champagny

00:07:55 as we get straight into the off-season deep cuts here.

00:07:58 - I'm sure Justin Champagny's a great guy.

00:08:01 It's unfortunate that we don't,

00:08:03 that Brad wasn't able to finagle his twin brother

00:08:05 onto the roster.

00:08:06 He seems like the superior.

00:08:08 I will say, because he is a twin

00:08:12 and my PTSD from the conference finals,

00:08:15 I'm just like, he better not end up on the heat

00:08:18 and just turn into,

00:08:20 'cause the idea of Champagny was good,

00:08:22 6'6", scoring guy, but he was really bad,

00:08:27 I thought, pretty much every time he stepped on the court

00:08:30 for the Celtics, both in garbage time and in summer league.

00:08:35 I was screaming at my iPad at 6 a.m. in France,

00:08:40 oh, England, sorry, and being like,

00:08:42 "Can we get Champagny off the court here?"

00:08:44 He's just taking up shots for Walshie.

00:08:47 I thought it was a pretty rough showing for him

00:08:49 in summer league, outside of one game

00:08:52 when Channing Frye, I thought he was an absolute wedge,

00:08:54 'cause I love the way that he rebounds.

00:08:56 I'm like, "Channing Frye."

00:08:57 - His own misses?

00:08:59 - Yeah, his own.

00:08:59 (laughing)

00:09:00 Yeah, just, yeah, this was the correct decision for sure.

00:09:04 And now they have $4.19 million to offer to FreeAgentX

00:09:09 at some point in the future.

00:09:12 - Yeah, he's, I may have said this before,

00:09:16 but I'm gonna reuse a joke because, you know, why not?

00:09:19 I don't remember saying it, but he's like,

00:09:22 if you used to be able to pick your play style in 2K,

00:09:26 and if you picked all-arounder,

00:09:28 you were like a 65 who was just not terrible at anything,

00:09:32 but also good at absolutely nothing, that's champagne.

00:09:36 It's the wrong approach.

00:09:37 - He'd probably be like a superstar in, you know,

00:09:39 Europe or something like that, but he's just not,

00:09:42 none of his skills are an NBA level skill.

00:09:46 Maybe wide open threes,

00:09:48 but that's obviously not gonna be enough.

00:09:49 He's just like, he's not horrible at anything,

00:09:53 but he's not good at anything.

00:09:54 And when you're looking for deep role players,

00:09:56 you want extreme strengths and weaknesses

00:09:59 because it's like, okay, then I know

00:10:01 you're a great offensive rebounder.

00:10:03 All right, this game calls for a good offensive rebounder.

00:10:05 We'll put you in.

00:10:06 You're an elite, elite three-point shooter like Sam Hauser.

00:10:09 You can build like your offensive skill

00:10:12 around elite three-point shooting.

00:10:14 He's just like, meh at everything.

00:10:16 And there's just not really a role for that.

00:10:18 And I'll be interested to see what we do with two,

00:10:21 two open spots and a little bit of wiggle room

00:10:23 under that apron and things getting a little spicy.

00:10:25 Brad, ruthless, doesn't even hit this guy up with 50K,

00:10:29 which is like nothing to NBA money.

00:10:31 - Yeah.

00:10:32 - Well, that's the second apron.

00:10:33 Every dollar counts, every 50K counts.

00:10:36 So like you said, Spoonie, two standard roster spots

00:10:38 now open, please.

00:10:40 Blake Griffin, consume one of those spots.

00:10:42 And there's that one two-way spot remaining as well.

00:10:45 We've got the $6.2 million traded player exception.

00:10:48 And like you said, Jake, 4.19 mil

00:10:51 under that second apron now.

00:10:53 We're already a wiggle under that apron.

00:10:56 And now we've just got a little bit more wiggle room.

00:10:58 So it'll be interesting to see what happens.

00:11:00 I don't necessarily think that this is indicative

00:11:02 of like an imminent move.

00:11:03 It was just more along the lines of that deadline

00:11:06 of saving 50K.

00:11:08 And like we said, every dollar matters.

00:11:11 Anything else on, like, do we need to do the farewell?

00:11:14 We probably don't, right?

00:11:15 (laughing)

00:11:17 - My biggest memory from Champagney is Miami Heat, Celtics,

00:11:22 game five, Celtics blow out the Heat by like 20.

00:11:25 And then Champagne's part of the cleanup crew

00:11:28 and he's kind of a disaster.

00:11:29 And then it gets down to like 10 with like a minute to go.

00:11:33 And everybody starts like freaking out,

00:11:36 sphincters tightening, and then Howser hits like a bomb

00:11:39 from the logo and the game's over.

00:11:41 But that's like what sticks out to me

00:11:43 from the Champagne experience is like,

00:11:45 he couldn't even handle cleanup crew.

00:11:48 But great hair.

00:11:50 - True, great hair, always helps.

00:11:53 You've got to have something

00:11:54 when you're at that end of the bench.

00:11:55 All right, let's get to a quick word

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00:12:31 Now in typical first to the floor fashion,

00:12:34 while you should absolutely and responsibly so

00:12:36 go and bet on the very much ongoing baseball season,

00:12:40 we've got a couple of stats here from FanDuel

00:12:43 with regards to the upcoming NBA season.

00:12:47 Can you guys guess, either one of you,

00:12:49 who the favorite is to win the NBA championship

00:12:53 as per this very moment per FanDuel?

00:12:56 - It's the Boston Celtics, isn't it?

00:12:59 - Yes, because I have it written down on the run sheet.

00:13:01 - That's right.

00:13:01 (laughing)

00:13:02 - Amazing.

00:13:03 (laughing)

00:13:05 - Plus 470, plus 470 to win the whole thing.

00:13:09 Best overall odds, which is great.

00:13:10 Scoot Henderson, plus 430, not the overall favorite.

00:13:15 I think ranked third behind Wemby and...

00:13:19 - Chet.

00:13:20 - Chet, thank you.

00:13:21 I was gonna say the skinny guy from OKC,

00:13:23 Chet Holmgren, thank you.

00:13:25 Plus 430, that's a good bet.

00:13:28 Again, gamble responsibly.

00:13:30 But I don't think Wemby, and this is not a hot take,

00:13:33 he's not gonna play, I think, that many games this year

00:13:36 as the Spurs try and ramp him up

00:13:38 to be who they hope he can be.

00:13:40 Scoot at plus 430, I think I'm gonna get on that.

00:13:44 Any thoughts, guys?

00:13:45 - I'm getting on Chet at plus 380.

00:13:48 I'm like all aboard the Thunder hype train.

00:13:52 I placed a bet.

00:13:54 I think the Thunder are plus 7,000 to win the West.

00:13:58 Yeah, I think that they're gonna...

00:14:02 - Hedge that.

00:14:02 - I think that, hey, all they gotta do

00:14:04 is win like one series and I can start hedging that

00:14:08 to plus money.

00:14:09 I think the Thunder are gonna be really good.

00:14:11 The only thing they were missing last year

00:14:13 was like a center.

00:14:15 They had other Jalen Williams at 6'9"

00:14:19 playing the big man role.

00:14:21 Chet, I think is gonna be really good.

00:14:22 I think he's gonna be better than Wemby out the gate.

00:14:24 It's pretty easily, I think defensively,

00:14:26 Wemby and Chet might be on the same level,

00:14:28 but Chet's a far more ready to go offensive player,

00:14:31 I think, than Wemby.

00:14:34 - That's why I like the Scoot bet

00:14:36 because Rookie of the Year tends like six man

00:14:39 to be an offensive award.

00:14:40 I think both those guys will have a bigger impact

00:14:43 than Scoot does on winning,

00:14:44 but Scoot's gonna get shots and he's gonna get assists.

00:14:48 And I think his box score numbers might look...

00:14:51 Maybe he won't get assists

00:14:52 'cause I don't know who he's gonna be.

00:14:53 - Well, I guess if Dame isn't traded-

00:14:55 - I was gonna say, well, maybe he's not gonna get shots.

00:14:58 - But assuming Dame is traded somewhere

00:15:00 or doesn't play, who knows?

00:15:02 But I think Scoot's gonna have the massive usage,

00:15:04 which I think can go a long way to win a Rookie of the Year.

00:15:07 So all three of those guys, you can't really go wrong.

00:15:10 - Brandon Miller might be like the value pick at 1500

00:15:13 'cause everybody's kind of like off him now,

00:15:15 but he talked about usage.

00:15:16 I think him and LaMelo are gonna be

00:15:18 a shot-chucking masterclass by Brandon Miller and LaMelo.

00:15:23 - Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:24 Gonna be interesting.

00:15:25 Get on that, folks.

00:15:26 In the meantime, let's get into the Shard and Frodo report.

00:15:30 - Shard and Frodo.

00:15:30 - The Sixers.

00:15:31 - Shard and Frodo.

00:15:33 - The Lakers.

00:15:33 - Shard and Frodo.

00:15:34 - The Heat.

00:15:35 - Shard and Frodo.

00:15:38 - Milwaukee Bums.

00:15:39 - Shard and Frodo.

00:15:41 - Warriors.

00:15:43 - Shard and Frodo.

00:15:44 - Oh yeah, it is our favorite off-season segment,

00:15:49 the Shard and Frodo report,

00:15:50 where we celebrate the pitfalls and the misery

00:15:53 and the disdain of our closest rivals.

00:15:56 And we're gonna start with a report.

00:15:57 I am gonna run another clip here from Shams.

00:16:00 This is his report on the NBA memo to NBA teams.

00:16:04 - The NBA sent a memo to its 30 NBA teams,

00:16:10 informing them that they have interviewed Damien Lillard

00:16:13 and his agent Aaron Goodwin about his stance

00:16:16 that he only wants to play in Miami,

00:16:18 and the league advised both Lillard and Goodwin

00:16:21 that any future comments of the sort

00:16:24 as far as him wanting to only play in Miami

00:16:26 will be potentially subject him to discipline,

00:16:30 I'm told, in this memo if those comments continue,

00:16:34 as well as a warning to the NBPA

00:16:37 that any future comments by players, their agents,

00:16:40 that are similar to the ones as far as

00:16:42 I only want to play for this specific team

00:16:44 in a trade request, if that's made,

00:16:46 that could also be subject to potential discipline as well.

00:16:49 The NBA told its teams that they spoke to Goodwin,

00:16:52 they spoke to Lillard, and that Goodwin essentially

00:16:55 denied telling teams that he told them

00:16:59 that Lillard would only play in Miami.

00:17:03 The NBA also spoke to other teams,

00:17:06 and essentially they were given the messaging as well

00:17:09 that Goodwin's statements were consistent

00:17:12 for the most part.

00:17:13 For the league to take the step of going

00:17:14 and interviewing Damien Lillard,

00:17:16 going and interviewing his agent,

00:17:19 really informing them to essentially

00:17:22 knock off any potential rhetoric

00:17:24 about only wanting to be traded to Miami.

00:17:26 - Thank you, Shams.

00:17:27 Spoonie, why is this part of the Shot of a Putter Report?

00:17:30 - No, don't go to me, this is Jake's.

00:17:31 This is Jake's.

00:17:32 (laughing)

00:17:33 - I was trying to like evenly distribute the rock.

00:17:35 - No, it's fine.

00:17:36 I've been doing a lot of talk in the last month.

00:17:38 - Jake, why is this part of the Shot of a Putter Report?

00:17:41 - One of my favorite parts of the offseason so far

00:17:44 has been the Miami Heat Twitter

00:17:47 versus the rest of NBA Twitter,

00:17:49 and them being convinced that the world is out to get them

00:17:54 and that their trade package is fair

00:17:56 and that Damien should come play in Miami.

00:17:58 It's been beautiful to see them do mental gymnastics

00:18:03 about the Heat are the ones with the leverage,

00:18:06 despite Portland being the team

00:18:08 that can just not trade him and bring him into camp,

00:18:11 because he's got four years left on his deal.

00:18:14 Four years, like there's no imminent reason to trade him

00:18:18 unless they want to.

00:18:21 This is beautiful.

00:18:23 Adam Silver shout out doing his best stern impression

00:18:26 of the Chris Paul veto back in the day.

00:18:30 The every day that this goes by

00:18:33 is a step closer to the Heat going into training camp

00:18:38 with like a bare bones roster.

00:18:40 Like the Heat can talk about how they have the leverage

00:18:44 all they want, but if Portland doesn't do the deal,

00:18:47 they keep Damien Lillard.

00:18:49 If Miami doesn't do the deal, they are fucked.

00:18:53 They've lost Caleb, they lost,

00:18:55 I wish they lost Caleb Martin.

00:18:56 They lost Gabe Vincent and they lost Max Drews.

00:19:00 If they don't replace them

00:19:02 with anyone besides Josh Richardson,

00:19:06 the devil magic is like 66% of the way out the door

00:19:11 with Gabe Vincent and Max Drews.

00:19:13 The only remaining devil on the team really

00:19:15 is Caleb Martin.

00:19:17 Like if we can just, if they do get this trade done,

00:19:21 he has to be gone.

00:19:21 But every day that this trade doesn't happen

00:19:24 is a step closer to the reality that the Heat have to face

00:19:27 where they've got this bare bones roster

00:19:30 without Damien Lillard.

00:19:32 So I still think that they end up getting Dame,

00:19:37 but I'm really enjoying the entitlement of the Heat

00:19:41 and just that the pettiness, the emotion every day

00:19:45 I'm seeing from these fans, quote unquote,

00:19:48 of them just not being handed Damien Lillard

00:19:52 on a silver platter and then being like, why is it us?

00:19:56 Why when Anthony Davis got traded, did they not,

00:19:59 did the league not step in?

00:20:00 Or why did the league not step in when Kevin Durant said

00:20:03 that Phoenix was the only team he wanted to play for?

00:20:06 Well, in the Phoenix situation,

00:20:08 the Phoenix offered like one of the best trade packages

00:20:10 that's like been offered in the history of the NBA

00:20:14 within like a week of the trade request.

00:20:16 And Anthony Davis never said he wouldn't play

00:20:19 for anyone else.

00:20:20 He just said he wouldn't resign anywhere.

00:20:21 So the Heat doing all this mental gymnastics

00:20:24 to say that like, this is the, why is silver?

00:20:27 Why is the NBA coming down on the Heat

00:20:30 when this has happened time and time again?

00:20:32 This is a very unique situation.

00:20:33 Like the, Damien's agent and Damien have been like

00:20:38 aggressively, aggressively communicating

00:20:42 that they won't play for any other team

00:20:44 or they will only play,

00:20:46 like only wanna be traded to the Heat.

00:20:48 Like, I'm glad that the NBA is finally stepping in

00:20:52 because I do think it's bad for the, bad for the league

00:20:54 where like these players are just taking these extensions

00:20:58 and then six months later are demanding

00:21:00 that they get traded to one specific team

00:21:03 and threatening to not play.

00:21:05 So this is beautiful.

00:21:07 Adam Silver, I appreciate you doing the Lord's work out here

00:21:10 taking us closer to, 'cause like,

00:21:13 we're running low on Eastern Conference contenders

00:21:15 as we'll get to.

00:21:16 And this would really take us a step closer

00:21:18 to there being one less.

00:21:20 - How long until he shows up to training camp

00:21:22 with a cell phone in his pocket like Ben Simmons did?

00:21:25 (laughing)

00:21:26 - I'm sorry, it's just like not paying attention,

00:21:27 but yeah, I think the one concern

00:21:30 is that it's a little too little,

00:21:31 it's too little too late from the NBA.

00:21:33 It's like, they've already made it known, right?

00:21:36 Like you can't wipe your, everyone's memory away

00:21:40 and just be like, just kidding, that didn't happen.

00:21:42 He'll play for any 29 other teams.

00:21:44 So I, yeah, I'm with you, Jake.

00:21:46 I do think he's gonna end up on the Heat,

00:21:48 but the nice thing is that this puts a little pressure

00:21:51 on Miami to up the offer.

00:21:53 And I don't know if there's a world

00:21:55 where they're worse off by trading for Dame Lillard,

00:21:59 but they are going to completely undermine their future

00:22:02 pretty aggressively.

00:22:04 - Yeah, so Shams talked about the framework of a deal.

00:22:08 And if you're watching on YouTube,

00:22:09 where we're showing the screen cap here,

00:22:11 so it'd be up to, you know,

00:22:12 between three and four first round picks,

00:22:15 plus additional pick swaps,

00:22:17 plus additional second round picks,

00:22:19 Tyler Hero to another team

00:22:21 because Portland slash nobody wants him,

00:22:24 shipping out expiring contracts,

00:22:26 plus, excuse me, young players as well.

00:22:30 Like I'm gonna mess up his name here,

00:22:32 but Hameh Harkwes Jr.

00:22:34 He just became trade eligible like today

00:22:37 or yesterday or something.

00:22:39 So that could be part of the holdup

00:22:41 'cause you would have to imagine

00:22:43 he'd be part of that deal as well.

00:22:44 So, you know, all of this could come to a precipice

00:22:48 in the next couple of days

00:22:49 now that their recently drafted rookie is trade eligible.

00:22:53 He looked great in summer league.

00:22:55 It does feel like you guys were saying,

00:22:58 inevitable that he just does end up on the heat.

00:23:00 It does feel too little too late,

00:23:02 like you said, Spoonie,

00:23:04 that it's great for the league to step in here,

00:23:08 but it feels like the deal's kind of like already done

00:23:11 under the table, but it's not terrible.

00:23:14 And this is in line with the Chardon-Frodo report

00:23:16 that the Heat have to absolutely gut themselves

00:23:20 to get a, what, 32 going on 33 year old guard.

00:23:25 We've seen this with money.

00:23:28 We've seen this with a Kemba Walker recently

00:23:31 where like as you ascend into your mid thirties,

00:23:33 if you're undersized and your biggest strength is your speed

00:23:37 and your athleticism and your bounce.

00:23:39 And that includes like popping threes off of a screen

00:23:43 where you need like bounce,

00:23:44 like quickly get into your shooting stance

00:23:46 and get your feet under you and pop up

00:23:47 and get that shot, you know, up.

00:23:50 And over the defender, it doesn't necessarily work out

00:23:53 for players of that archetype going into their mid thirties.

00:23:56 So to see the Heat gut themselves for a guy that,

00:23:59 you know, might only last half a season, a season or so,

00:24:02 and still be very beatable by a,

00:24:04 please God, healthy Celtics team.

00:24:07 I'm kind of for it, you know, so either way.

00:24:10 - Okay, wow.

00:24:10 - Loving what's going on with the Heat right now.

00:24:13 - What's interesting is that like in the Shams clip

00:24:18 yesterday where he talked about that offer,

00:24:20 again, it was like, this is not the offer

00:24:23 that the Heat even put forward yet.

00:24:24 It's like, this is what the Heat could be putting forward.

00:24:28 It's like, it's hard to get a read

00:24:29 on who Shams is speaking for at this point.

00:24:31 'Cause throughout this whole process,

00:24:33 Shams has clearly been a mouthpiece for the Heat

00:24:36 and Woj has been a mouthpiece for the Blazers.

00:24:39 Where now it's like, Shams was saying,

00:24:42 this is the deal that could potentially be put forward,

00:24:46 kind of to me insinuating that like,

00:24:48 the Heat are still yet to put forward a deal

00:24:51 that even looks anywhere close to this,

00:24:53 which is why a deal hasn't happened.

00:24:56 And Pat Riley is like Danny Ainge, right?

00:24:58 Like he hates to lose a deal.

00:25:01 And he and the Heat feel that they aren't,

00:25:05 that they're beating against themselves.

00:25:07 So why would they beat against themselves?

00:25:09 And that's what all of Heat Twitter seems to be thinking.

00:25:12 But if you do any negotiation,

00:25:14 the most powerful weapon in any negotiation

00:25:18 is the willingness to walk away from the deal.

00:25:21 I learned that on day one of negotiation skills

00:25:24 in my second year of university,

00:25:26 and I've never forgotten it.

00:25:27 'Cause if the other team wants to,

00:25:30 like really wants to do the deal,

00:25:31 and you're literally like,

00:25:33 if the Blazers could choose a scenario,

00:25:36 I think bringing Damian Lillard back

00:25:38 is probably what they would choose.

00:25:39 If you bring Damian back onto this team,

00:25:41 they're probably in the mix again

00:25:42 for like a fringe playoff seed,

00:25:44 which the Blazers, that's what they wanna do.

00:25:46 They don't really care so much about winning a title.

00:25:49 They wanna sell tickets,

00:25:51 maybe get an extra couple of games of playoff revenue.

00:25:54 And Damian gets them, I think,

00:25:56 I kind of like that team if you add Damian to it.

00:25:59 So that's the most powerful part,

00:26:01 like weapon in any negotiation.

00:26:04 And if the Heat aren't willing to put forward that package,

00:26:07 then why would the Heat do it?

00:26:10 - Yeah, we really butchered the Jaime Jacquez name

00:26:13 in preparation of the draft when I put him forward.

00:26:16 I definitely called him like Jamie Jack.

00:26:19 - Yeah.

00:26:20 - And I think it was with a French accent.

00:26:23 - Yeah, it was.

00:26:24 It was, he's like Mexico's like pride and joy in hindsight.

00:26:28 So there we go.

00:26:29 - I think pre-entry into the NBA name,

00:26:31 you have to be subject to gross mispronunciation.

00:26:35 So we're okay, we're fine.

00:26:37 We've done worse as well on this podcast.

00:26:40 - Spoonie, interesting,

00:26:41 like what Jake's saying there with the potential

00:26:44 for Lillard to like actually just revert everything

00:26:47 and go back to the Blazers.

00:26:49 If Tatum, for example,

00:26:51 Spoonie did all of this posturing

00:26:53 about like getting off the Celtics in a couple of years,

00:26:55 say like they were a middling Orlando Magic style team

00:26:59 at that point, and then decided,

00:27:00 oh, you know what, actually, I think I'm good.

00:27:03 I'm gonna stay with the Celtics.

00:27:04 Would you be open to welcoming him back at that point?

00:27:08 Or would the damage have been done from your perspective?

00:27:10 - I don't think I would.

00:27:13 I think at that point, if I was a fan of the Blazers,

00:27:16 I would probably want them to get it over with

00:27:18 and just start rebuilding.

00:27:19 'Cause they've been overdue for a rebuild

00:27:21 for a couple of years now.

00:27:23 The problem is they just signed Jeremy Grant

00:27:25 to that obscene contract.

00:27:27 So they're kind of, there's like one foot in, one foot out.

00:27:30 So I don't really know what they do.

00:27:31 I think they're in a unique position

00:27:33 where I don't really trust their management

00:27:36 to oversee a rebuild.

00:27:38 Whereas I would trust Brad Stevens to do that.

00:27:40 So I think it's a little different, but it would be,

00:27:42 I mean, the second he hangs 50 on a team in like November,

00:27:46 I'd be all back in.

00:27:47 Like I wouldn't care at that point, but it would be tough.

00:27:50 And if you're a middling team, like that sucks, dude.

00:27:53 Like I'd rather be a rebuilding team.

00:27:56 - Yeah, but they must have suckers in gym at this point.

00:27:59 - Yeah, true.

00:28:00 - Yeah, so Jake, like this is pretty much your segment.

00:28:05 Let's be honest.

00:28:06 We've been holding it down for you while you've been away.

00:28:09 What else do you have for us that falls in line

00:28:12 with the Shard of Frodo report?

00:28:14 - I really enjoyed the Woj and Sham's notification

00:28:18 that the Milwaukee Bucks have re-signed

00:28:21 the Narcissus Antetokounmpo.

00:28:23 And also the fact that they had signed Robin Lopez.

00:28:27 So I don't know, they're going for the cool,

00:28:30 the brothers memes and the brothers posts

00:28:32 they can put on the programs and stuff.

00:28:35 Because these are not moves to me that indicate

00:28:37 you care about winning a championship.

00:28:41 For a team like Milwaukee, that's like desperate,

00:28:45 absolutely desperate for rotation players

00:28:48 that can play in the playoffs,

00:28:49 because they have four of them.

00:28:51 Four players that can like close a playoff game

00:28:56 at the highest level right now.

00:28:57 And it's their big four.

00:28:59 It's Giannis, Middleton, Drew and Lopez.

00:29:02 And we've seen in the last two playoff runs

00:29:05 that Grayson Allen can't close.

00:29:08 Javon Carter was probably their best bet and he left.

00:29:11 Joe Ingalls couldn't close, he left.

00:29:13 And like Bobby Portis, the Celtics toast him

00:29:18 every time he steps on the court.

00:29:19 He's not a closing NBA player,

00:29:22 especially with the roster construction

00:29:25 of Brooke Lopez and Giannis.

00:29:27 You can't play that jumbo lineup.

00:29:29 There's just not enough foot speed on the perimeter.

00:29:32 So like when you're just throwing away roster spots

00:29:35 to like for nepotism purposes, essentially.

00:29:40 I get that like, if it helps you re-sign Giannis by 0.1%,

00:29:45 then you probably do the deal.

00:29:48 But this is a waste of a roster spot.

00:29:52 And for a team that's like absolutely desperate

00:29:55 for someone that can play in the playoffs,

00:29:58 I just think this is a win for the Celtics.

00:30:01 Like he's not doing anything.

00:30:02 He's got the pom-poms out all season long.

00:30:05 - Is he that bad though?

00:30:06 Like, so Lopez grouping them together,

00:30:08 Lopez, Robin Lopez and the Narcissus

00:30:11 as a 14th and 15th man, Spoonie.

00:30:14 Are they that terrible?

00:30:16 Like I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

00:30:17 Obviously I'd love to shit on the box.

00:30:20 - But Narcissus, yes, is that terrible.

00:30:23 He is so bad, but you know,

00:30:26 Robin's been like bounced around horrible teams

00:30:28 for the last couple of years.

00:30:29 So I haven't really seen him play a lot,

00:30:31 but like he's not really cracked a rotation in a while.

00:30:35 I tend to think there's probably a reason for that.

00:30:38 He doesn't have, like Brooke really is not,

00:30:41 would not be a positive offensive player

00:30:43 if he couldn't shoot threes, but he can.

00:30:46 Well, Robin can't.

00:30:47 So he's basically you're playing four on five offensively.

00:30:50 And I don't think he protects the rim

00:30:52 or moves his feet well enough on defense

00:30:54 to sort of bring positive value as a player.

00:30:57 So yeah, as your 14th guy,

00:31:00 I think you can do worse than Robin Lopez.

00:31:02 I'm not sure you can do much worse than Thanos.

00:31:04 So, but yeah, Jake spot on.

00:31:06 They're not playing in the playoffs.

00:31:08 Like these guys are complete non-factors.

00:31:11 - Ben, I appreciate, you know,

00:31:13 the devil's advocate point of view and Fox fans on Twitter.

00:31:17 The 14th and 15th roster spots don't matter.

00:31:20 Like, I guess the short answer to that is like,

00:31:23 you're right, kind of, but you know,

00:31:26 you never know when you're going to hit on a Sam Houser,

00:31:30 a Gabe Vinson, a Max Struis.

00:31:32 You never know.

00:31:33 And if you're just throwing these spots away,

00:31:34 you're never going to find out what the flip side is.

00:31:36 You look at Brad Stevens,

00:31:37 it's all about process over results.

00:31:39 One of my favorite Brad Stevens-isms.

00:31:42 It's like, okay, is Delano Banton going to make the roster?

00:31:45 And is he going to be any good?

00:31:47 Probably not.

00:31:47 But like the idea of signing a 23 year old

00:31:50 who like hasn't played that much, has upside a six nine,

00:31:53 has like NBA skills, has played well in real NBA games.

00:31:58 Like that's a 14th,

00:32:01 that's a guy I want on my 14th roster spot.

00:32:04 That's the type of player that like,

00:32:06 in maybe, you know, he's still young enough.

00:32:09 He has these little attributes that you kind of tick off.

00:32:11 You can talk yourself into like,

00:32:13 if things go right for this guy,

00:32:15 he could become like a rotation player

00:32:18 versus like you just have a bobblehead night

00:32:21 for the entire Kumpo brothers.

00:32:25 - Cool.

00:32:27 I think about it like it's like an RPG

00:32:30 and like, would you want to take on

00:32:33 like a plus 1% skill increase to like a fringe skill

00:32:37 that doesn't like necessarily help you in your quests?

00:32:41 Or if you've got like a core skill,

00:32:43 like this is,

00:32:45 - Yes, don't stop.

00:32:47 Don't stop.

00:32:47 - You know, like sword fighting,

00:32:49 just to play within the realms of your typical RPG.

00:32:53 Would you want like a plus 5% increase to that skill?

00:32:58 And so you think about Jarnus being sword fighting,

00:33:01 your core skill,

00:33:02 wouldn't you want to bring in his brother

00:33:03 to like properly enhance the effectiveness,

00:33:06 the happiness, the pleasure of that core piece,

00:33:10 rather than like taking a total gamble

00:33:13 on like a Delano Bantam, for example, instead of that.

00:33:17 Like, wouldn't you rather sort of invest

00:33:19 in what makes your team a winning team?

00:33:22 - Let's call it, let's call this other skill alchemy, right?

00:33:26 So you're saying you want to invest in one handed.

00:33:29 - Not by many RPGs, clearly.

00:33:31 - You want to invest in one handed, right?

00:33:33 And then the Celtics are taking the alchemist route, right?

00:33:36 But what if every 10th potion you make

00:33:39 is worth a ton of money, right?

00:33:41 So like, isn't that worthwhile?

00:33:44 I would much rather like, okay, yeah,

00:33:45 maybe it's day-to-day functionality

00:33:48 isn't as good as the one-handed skill.

00:33:50 But look, if I could sell a potion

00:33:52 and all of a sudden that's going to make all of my skills

00:33:55 way better, 'cause it's going to give me a bunch of money.

00:33:58 So I think like, that's the approach you got to take

00:34:00 if you're, you know, and that's why I always,

00:34:03 always in Skyrim go alchemy,

00:34:05 'cause you can make a lot of money.

00:34:07 (laughing)

00:34:08 - Give me a year, I'll go play more RPGs

00:34:11 and I'll come back.

00:34:12 I'll circle back next off season with this analogy.

00:34:14 I'll have it more fine tuned.

00:34:16 - I think the reality is the process

00:34:18 that the box have used here is like wrong

00:34:21 as far as team building goes.

00:34:23 So, but because Jarnus likes his brother,

00:34:26 it is kind of helpful from that perspective.

00:34:28 But like, from an actual winning a championship,

00:34:32 this next coming season,

00:34:35 signing for Narcis to the 15th spot is the wrong choice

00:34:39 versus like signing someone that could actually help.

00:34:41 So like in that next upcoming season

00:34:44 where the Southerner trying to beat the box for a title,

00:34:46 he's basically just, you know,

00:34:48 gives us a 0% chance that one of their last roster spots

00:34:52 can hurt us in a playoff game versus who knows,

00:34:54 Delano Banton, game three,

00:34:57 Derek White misses a game, comes in, 12 assists, who knows?

00:35:01 - Yeah.

00:35:02 (laughing)

00:35:03 Maybe, I hope so, but probably not.

00:35:06 All right, what else?

00:35:07 What other Shard of Pride points have you got for us

00:35:09 before we move on to the J's appreciation segment?

00:35:12 - Well, so this is, you know, slightly old.

00:35:14 - Best one.

00:35:15 - Yeah, you guys, hopefully not everybody's seen this yet,

00:35:18 but Joel Embiid got married a couple of weeks ago now.

00:35:23 Congratulations to the big fella.

00:35:25 That's the only ring he's getting his hands on anytime soon

00:35:27 to just make a terrible Twitter joke.

00:35:30 But interestingly, who was at the wedding?

00:35:34 You know, you had George Nyang, Maxie,

00:35:38 Sam Hinckley was at the wedding.

00:35:41 I learned from listening to the Ricky,

00:35:43 the "Rice with Ricky Sanchez" podcast.

00:35:45 You know who wasn't at the wedding?

00:35:47 James Harden and someone else who,

00:35:51 at the end of this video, if you look closely.

00:35:53 And he had a very, far more important,

00:35:57 pressing matter to attend to

00:35:59 on the night of Joel Embiid's wedding.

00:36:01 Take a look here.

00:36:02 (upbeat music)

00:36:05 (upbeat music)

00:36:07 - Yes, that was PJ Tucker in the last second there.

00:36:20 And I don't know, those eyeballs.

00:36:23 I don't know what PJ Tucker's doing in the off season.

00:36:26 - First of all, can you describe

00:36:27 what was happening to the podcast?

00:36:28 - Oh sure, of course.

00:36:29 So James Harden at nightclub that I don't know,

00:36:35 the name of, picking up four free burgers

00:36:39 from a man carrying around a tray of burgers.

00:36:42 Not one, not two, not three, but four burgers.

00:36:45 We can't know for sure if they were all for himself

00:36:49 or if they were for some friends

00:36:52 back at whatever fancy table that he was partying at.

00:36:55 And then the last second of the video,

00:36:57 you get PJ Tucker with pupils the size of saucers

00:37:04 videoing these burgers and looking so, so, so happy

00:37:07 to be receiving a free burger

00:37:10 despite being paid $11 million to do his job.

00:37:13 But yeah, so not only is James Harden not at the wedding,

00:37:19 but he's clearly locked in on his off season programming,

00:37:21 sweating, eating burgers and partying as he always is.

00:37:26 But this is just like, the Sixers may as well not even,

00:37:30 may as well not even lace him up for the next season

00:37:33 because this is, this is over.

00:37:37 - What do you got, Spoody?

00:37:40 - I mean, you just love to see it.

00:37:43 You really do.

00:37:44 Like, I almost kind of respect Harden

00:37:49 because like he has to know what people say about him

00:37:53 and like the audacity, the ability to just not care

00:37:58 and be seen like eating a bunch of cheeseburgers in a club.

00:38:02 It's like, he knows people talk about his weight.

00:38:05 Like he has to and his like, you know, partying habits.

00:38:09 And he's like diving head first into both

00:38:12 after an incredibly rocky season where he,

00:38:15 like we almost forget because the Dame stuff,

00:38:17 he asked for a trade too.

00:38:19 Like it's insane, man.

00:38:21 Like it's crazy.

00:38:22 - This is why the shot of photo report exists

00:38:26 because of deep cuts like this, that kind of mean nothing.

00:38:29 Like probably he was just getting burgers for his mates

00:38:33 back at his little cordoned off table there.

00:38:36 And he was like, you know what?

00:38:37 I'll go get them.

00:38:38 Someone will record this.

00:38:39 And some shit house Celtics podcast

00:38:42 will talk about it a week from now and it'll be great.

00:38:45 And that's exactly what's happening.

00:38:46 This is why the shot of photo report exists.

00:38:49 - Yeah.

00:38:50 - Yeah, go ahead.

00:38:50 - I think he could be going, he could be going galaxy brain.

00:38:53 He's like, I'll bring out the fat suit again.

00:38:56 You saw the fat suit that I brought out

00:38:58 when I was trying to get traded from Houston.

00:39:00 And that worked, that got him sent straight to Brooklyn.

00:39:04 And so he is a free agent.

00:39:05 So we'll see how much he is willing

00:39:08 to tank his value going into a contract year.

00:39:11 But I'm excited to see it.

00:39:13 - I'm excited to see it as well.

00:39:17 I'm excited to see what happens both with the heat,

00:39:19 with the Dame situation and with the Sixers moving forward

00:39:23 and the shot of photo report.

00:39:24 We're gonna be pumping that throughout the off season.

00:39:27 And so all of those outcomes matter greatly

00:39:29 for what's next for that segment.

00:39:32 We're gonna move on to the Jays appreciation.

00:39:34 That's the thumbnail for this podcast.

00:39:36 It's the meat of this podcast.

00:39:38 It's like the Lords that we worship in our lives,

00:39:42 I think the Jays.

00:39:44 And swinging back to Jake here,

00:39:46 who's back fresh face from a holiday.

00:39:50 I think it sounds like you put this segment forward, Jake,

00:39:54 as like, this is what we should run with on this podcast.

00:39:56 And so to me, that's like, you went away,

00:39:58 you had like a sort of spiritual time away

00:40:01 and you spent a lot of time thinking about the Jays

00:40:04 and just how awesome they are and how much we love them.

00:40:07 So I'll throw to you to keep up with that.

00:40:10 - I mean, that's pretty much exactly what happened,

00:40:12 but I feel like this came up kind of in the context

00:40:16 of Jalen signing this, you know,

00:40:19 the richest contract in NBA history.

00:40:21 And I don't know the sentiment on the future

00:40:26 of the Celtics feels kind of split a little bit

00:40:29 at the moment.

00:40:30 Like I would say for the most part, it's been positive,

00:40:32 but I would say there's still a pretty,

00:40:34 I don't know if it's a vocal minority with Jalen

00:40:36 and like kind of the future of the Celtics

00:40:38 and their chances of winning a ring.

00:40:40 But yeah, no, it was just a night in Albania

00:40:45 getting ready for bed and had a couple of drinks for dinner

00:40:48 and, you know, Tatum's doing this camp

00:40:51 and I'll just run this clip.

00:40:53 'Cause I mean, it comes with the emotional music

00:40:57 'cause I'm pretty sure we're not gonna get pinged

00:40:58 for on copyright 'cause I think it's an original.

00:41:01 Some bit, whatever, you know.

00:41:02 ♪ You told me you've been on some positive ♪

00:41:04 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪

00:41:05 ♪ Lately I just wanna show up and fight it ♪

00:41:08 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪

00:41:09 ♪ Always been a little mad petition ♪

00:41:11 ♪ Lately this cash and get here ♪

00:41:12 ♪ Got me losing count of these bags ♪

00:41:14 ♪ I've been moving too fast ♪

00:41:15 ♪ Hard times don't last ♪

00:41:17 ♪ Remember when cops are rads talking out too fast ♪

00:41:20 ♪ Boy you ain't with a badge ♪

00:41:22 ♪ All my life ♪

00:41:24 ♪ All my life ♪

00:41:25 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪

00:41:26 ♪ Keep me up ♪

00:41:27 ♪ They be trying to keep me down ♪

00:41:29 - I chased my dream and we came from the same place,

00:41:31 the same right center.

00:41:34 We walked the same streets that, you know,

00:41:36 the right mindset, the right goal is.

00:41:39 And if you dream big enough, you can do it.

00:41:43 - What a guy.

00:41:44 - And like, you read the caption,

00:41:47 it's like growing up all I ever wanted to be

00:41:49 was a hero to my city.

00:41:51 And like, whoever put that video clip together,

00:41:55 got me, got me good.

00:41:56 And I was just reflecting, I'm like,

00:42:00 I mean, you guys have kids

00:42:01 and I kind of brought this up when Abby came on

00:42:03 and kind of lost the point of it,

00:42:05 but like, Jaylen and Jason are the closest thing

00:42:08 I have to children so far in my life.

00:42:10 And you know, hopefully in my future

00:42:13 that I have a real human child.

00:42:15 - A real NBA player child.

00:42:18 - I mean, look.

00:42:19 - That'd be nice.

00:42:20 - My dad's side, he's six four,

00:42:22 did not translate to the five seven Jake.

00:42:24 So look, it's not impossible that I get a,

00:42:29 you know, a Jason Tatum of my own one day.

00:42:31 But like when these guys came into the league, right?

00:42:34 Like to see them now running their own camps,

00:42:38 like the Tatum Elite Camp where he's,

00:42:40 it's his camp and Bradley Beal, Chris Paul,

00:42:44 Paolo Bencaro, they are like the support acts

00:42:49 to Jason Tatum's Elite Camp.

00:42:51 You know, Jaylen Brown just signs

00:42:52 the richest contract in NBA history.

00:42:54 And he's talking about, you know,

00:42:56 starting the Black Wall Street in Boston

00:42:59 and taking the Celtics to a new level

00:43:01 on the court and off the court.

00:43:03 And like, I just wanted to appreciate the likelihood

00:43:06 or the low chance of Jaylen and Jason

00:43:11 turning into both like the players that they have become,

00:43:14 but also the people that they've become off the court.

00:43:16 Like, you know, you look at an off season

00:43:18 where John Morant is suspended for 25 games,

00:43:22 Zion Williamson you're dealing with,

00:43:25 I mean, his own--

00:43:27 - Drama.

00:43:28 - Yeah, his own reality TV show.

00:43:31 Health, you know, these are touching wood,

00:43:34 two of the healthiest stars in the NBA.

00:43:37 You know, we could have drafted Josh Jackson

00:43:39 and Chris Dunn.

00:43:40 We could have drafted Lonzo Ball and Dragan Bender.

00:43:44 Like these decisions are so, so, you know,

00:43:49 unlikely to have made these calls

00:43:52 and for them to then grow into like an MVP candidate,

00:43:56 multiple time All-Star, second team All-NBA.

00:43:58 And to have these two guys locked up now

00:44:02 for the next half decade,

00:44:04 I think you have to appreciate how lucky of a position

00:44:09 that the Celtics find themselves in as fans.

00:44:12 Like we are now perennial contenders

00:44:14 for the next half decade,

00:44:16 off top of being perennial contenders

00:44:17 for the last half decade.

00:44:19 Like 25 plus other teams would switch spots

00:44:23 with the Celtics in a half beat.

00:44:25 And, you know, I've got some stats here

00:44:28 we can touch on after, but like, I don't know.

00:44:31 I had a big moment of appreciation

00:44:34 of the types of humans that we've got

00:44:36 that we get to root for

00:44:38 and the types of players that we get to root for.

00:44:41 - Having high picks is terrifying, right?

00:44:44 Because like you just listed off some names

00:44:47 that were, could have been a disaster.

00:44:48 And there's many, many more riddled amongst those guys

00:44:52 that could have been terrible.

00:44:53 So the fact that you compare these two together

00:44:59 for this long and they seemingly,

00:45:01 I mean, Jalen has had maybe a,

00:45:03 I don't want to say rocky,

00:45:05 that's probably a little strong,

00:45:07 but, you know, the relationship with the fan base

00:45:12 isn't always perfect.

00:45:14 Like he got booed when he got drafted, you know,

00:45:17 was not a hot star.

00:45:18 But I think after that interview

00:45:20 where he's talking about investing in Boston,

00:45:23 like specifically, you know, he's from Atlanta.

00:45:26 He could take that money

00:45:27 and go make black ball street in Atlanta,

00:45:29 but that's not what he was talking about.

00:45:30 He was specifically talking about doing it in Boston.

00:45:33 And then like Tatum, I mean,

00:45:36 what more can you say about this dude?

00:45:38 Like he, I'm sure he's got some skeletons in his closet,

00:45:42 like everybody does, but man,

00:45:44 he is absolving them just about the best ways

00:45:47 you possibly could.

00:45:48 I mean, both these guys are just like great humans

00:45:51 and excellent basketball players.

00:45:54 And it does not get much better than that

00:45:56 when you're trying to root for two people.

00:45:58 Like really, it's awesome.

00:46:00 - Yeah, and a huge part of shipping out Marcus Martin

00:46:03 and Grant Williams is like,

00:46:04 who are we gonna be these vocal leaders,

00:46:07 you know, in training camp, in practice,

00:46:09 on the court during games for the Celtics.

00:46:11 And I don't think we have the clip uploaded Jake,

00:46:14 but there was a recent clip of Tatum

00:46:18 like talking in his camp about load management.

00:46:21 And even just regardless of the subject of his speech there,

00:46:26 just the way he was delivering it

00:46:27 and contrast to how he spoke publicly

00:46:31 in the first like three years of his career.

00:46:34 This guy is confident, he knows who he is.

00:46:37 He is very sort of, I wanna say a light of this chakra

00:46:42 even though it's not how I think or talk.

00:46:45 Like he clearly like knows who he is.

00:46:48 He has a lot of confidence in his self

00:46:50 as far as like his role in society,

00:46:54 his role on the team, his role in the community.

00:46:56 And, you know, as much as I never wanted

00:46:59 to see Marcus Martin be shipped out,

00:47:01 I do think both of these guys are poised

00:47:04 to sort of fill those shoes as well as hold up,

00:47:09 you know, from the talent and production standpoint

00:47:12 on the court that they've been giving us

00:47:14 for many years now.

00:47:15 So just the Jays, yeah, like I appreciate them so much.

00:47:19 Who they are as people off the court

00:47:23 just makes rooting for them so much more interesting.

00:47:26 And I think for years on this podcast,

00:47:28 and I'm sure fans all over the place can relate to this.

00:47:32 The idea of seeing Marcus Smart hoist

00:47:35 the championship trophy over his head

00:47:37 was just undeniably enticing.

00:47:41 But the way that these guys are evolving as people

00:47:43 and the way that they are sort of letting us in

00:47:46 and giving us glimpses, excuse me, into who they are.

00:47:49 It just, you see the path ahead of you

00:47:52 as far as, you know, a fan's perspective of like,

00:47:54 okay, where do we go from here?

00:47:56 How do we invest emotionally?

00:47:58 And it's clear in just who these guys are as people.

00:48:01 So I can't wait for the season to start.

00:48:04 - No, no, still a long way to go.

00:48:06 But yeah, it's like the on-court production

00:48:08 of two guys that are 25 and 26

00:48:10 on top of all the human stuff.

00:48:12 Since Tatum's rookie year,

00:48:14 Tatum is fourth in playoff wins in the NBA.

00:48:17 Chaitlin is sixth.

00:48:19 That's more than playoff wins in Steph,

00:48:21 Jimmy, Giannis, and Jokic.

00:48:23 Like these guys have,

00:48:25 the fact that they haven't actually won a ring

00:48:27 with how many playoff games they've won

00:48:28 is why we're all gonna die like five to 10 years earlier

00:48:31 than we should have,

00:48:32 because the last couple of years

00:48:33 have been absolutely so stressful to get through.

00:48:36 But then I was having a look at like all time playoff,

00:48:40 like wins and points.

00:48:42 Tatum has the seventh most playoff wins all time

00:48:45 before age 26.

00:48:47 Chaitlin is ninth.

00:48:48 This one's crazy though.

00:48:50 Tatum has the second most playoff points all time

00:48:53 before turning 26.

00:48:55 Chaitlin's eighth,

00:48:56 but second most playoff points all time before turning 26.

00:48:59 The only person ahead of him is Kobe Bryant.

00:49:02 So it's like-

00:49:03 - More than LeBron.

00:49:04 More than LeBron.

00:49:05 That's insane.

00:49:06 - This is quoting Stats News, by the way.

00:49:09 So if I wanted to give them credit in two,

00:49:11 if they're wrong, that's on them.

00:49:13 But yeah, I'm pretty sure that it's correct.

00:49:17 And so like,

00:49:17 that's just an absurd amount of success

00:49:20 for guys that haven't entered their prime yet.

00:49:23 And I feel like they get dinged

00:49:25 because of the amount of success they've had.

00:49:27 It's like, oh, these guys,

00:49:29 you know, for dumb NBA commentators or fans or whatever,

00:49:34 that they're chokers or don't live up to expectations.

00:49:37 Like they have only exceeded expectations

00:49:40 for guys that are 25 and 26 at this point.

00:49:43 Like, and that's really the only take to have.

00:49:46 - Yeah.

00:49:47 And someone who would be hugely impactful

00:49:50 on their ability to be successful this year,

00:49:53 this is a bit of a pivot, Sam Houser.

00:49:56 Seriously though, like Sam Houser's ability

00:50:01 to space the floor and allow the Jays to operate

00:50:05 and operate as an elite kickout option.

00:50:08 We saw it in snippets last season.

00:50:11 Like cannot be understated.

00:50:13 And Spoonie, you know, folks,

00:50:15 if you're watching on YouTube,

00:50:17 the headline for Spoonie's article

00:50:19 on Celtics blog is on screen right now.

00:50:20 And let me just preface this

00:50:22 with the opening couple of paragraphs here.

00:50:24 So opportunities to change your life

00:50:27 or your career don't come around that often,

00:50:29 but they're usually different than the movies.

00:50:31 Very rarely our own lives defined

00:50:33 by one big make or break choice

00:50:35 of which the fate of you, your family,

00:50:38 or sometimes the world depends on.

00:50:40 Instead, those opportunities play out

00:50:42 over weeks, months, and years.

00:50:44 The first year law student walking

00:50:46 into their very first contracts class,

00:50:48 the apprentice electrician showing up

00:50:50 to their first job site,

00:50:52 the band, real big fish,

00:50:53 stepping into the studio to record

00:50:55 the seminal album, Turn the Radio Off.

00:50:58 Sam Houser sits on the precipice

00:50:59 of such an opportunity.

00:51:01 Despite being undrafted,

00:51:02 he's made his way into an NBA contract.

00:51:05 He's joined the Celtics on tour.

00:51:07 He now just needs to become

00:51:09 a full-time member of the band.

00:51:11 So first of all, go and read that article

00:51:13 because it's great.

00:51:14 I've read it twice, once for pleasure,

00:51:16 once in preparation for this podcast.

00:51:18 Spoonie, what does,

00:51:20 just to summarize your article,

00:51:22 what does Sam Houser need to do

00:51:24 to become a full-time band

00:51:25 member for the Celtics?

00:51:26 Real quick, I'll explain

00:51:27 the real big fish reference quickly.

00:51:30 The last thing I wrote was

00:51:31 I like used Game of Thrones

00:51:33 to explain something.

00:51:35 And Celtics blog tweeted it out

00:51:37 and was like, next week

00:51:38 we'll be talking about 90 ska bands.

00:51:40 Real big fish is a 90 ska band.

00:51:42 So I just snuck that in.

00:51:44 It's like a deep cut for my own

00:51:46 purposes.

00:51:47 Can't say I know who

00:51:48 they are.

00:51:49 They rock, dude.

00:51:49 Check real big fish out.

00:51:51 Yeah, they rule.

00:51:51 Great, great live jam band.

00:51:53 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:54 Anyway, so Sam Houser,

00:51:57 we were 1.7 points per 100

00:51:59 better with Sam Houser

00:52:00 on the court last year.

00:52:02 The offense got three points

00:52:04 per 100 possessions worse

00:52:06 when he played.

00:52:08 So we were better

00:52:09 because we defended better

00:52:10 with Sam Houser.

00:52:11 He had one of the best

00:52:12 defensive ratings on the team.

00:52:14 Now, I think we're probably due

00:52:15 for some regression

00:52:16 on that side of it.

00:52:18 But you got to think like

00:52:18 the offensive side should,

00:52:21 considering his primary skill

00:52:22 set is offensively, should come up.

00:52:25 And I think part of the reason

00:52:27 is how one dimensional

00:52:29 he was as a player last year.

00:52:31 307 of his 400 field

00:52:34 goal attempts were zero dribble threes.

00:52:36 So three quarters of his shots

00:52:39 were zero dribble threes.

00:52:40 So I basically was just saying,

00:52:41 like, here's two very easy ways

00:52:44 he can have a bigger effect

00:52:45 on the offense and,

00:52:47 you know, and offset

00:52:49 what will probably be

00:52:50 some defensive regression.

00:52:51 And that's like one dribble

00:52:53 relocation threes

00:52:54 like Duncan Robinson

00:52:55 does all the time.

00:52:56 And then he finished at 80%

00:52:58 around the rim last year.

00:52:59 So it's actually really good

00:53:00 when he got there.

00:53:01 He just never got there.

00:53:02 So just be a little more

00:53:02 aggressive with the drive, man.

00:53:04 Trust your finishing.

00:53:05 Trust your soft touch.

00:53:06 You're great from the foul line,

00:53:07 like you're going to get fouled

00:53:08 sometimes.

00:53:09 So just like two small things.

00:53:10 And then he can absorb

00:53:12 some of those Grant Williams roles.

00:53:13 I expect him to be up

00:53:14 around 25 minutes a game.

00:53:16 We don't have another

00:53:17 wing off the bench.

00:53:18 I mean, who's playing?

00:53:20 He's the only one.

00:53:22 Yeah, that's that's the thing.

00:53:24 And Jake, I'll let you go in a second.

00:53:26 But, you know, we cut champagne.

00:53:28 We've got this extra roster

00:53:30 of salary cap space rather

00:53:32 like I'm all I'm all for the house

00:53:35 of first wing off the bench,

00:53:36 the thing, but like we

00:53:37 we do need a backup here.

00:53:39 And I do hope that they

00:53:40 they feel that that roster spot

00:53:42 with a backup wing.

00:53:43 But how's also an underrated cutter,

00:53:46 which is like, yes, I don't know.

00:53:48 Maybe he's properly rated

00:53:49 because like that's

00:53:50 what you need to be good at.

00:53:51 If you're like not very fast,

00:53:53 not very big.

00:53:55 A white guy, you know,

00:53:57 like he needs to be a good guy

00:53:58 and he is very, very good at that.

00:54:01 So, yeah, I'm excited.

00:54:03 I hope that Joe has read

00:54:06 your article, Spoonie,

00:54:07 and I hope that he sort of factors

00:54:10 that into his rotation

00:54:11 in the upcoming season.

00:54:12 What do you got, Jake?

00:54:13 I love Sam Houser,

00:54:16 and I love that we just have the

00:54:18 the same house, the hype train,

00:54:20 just like we're going supersonic.

00:54:22 We're breaking the sound

00:54:23 barrier with this train.

00:54:24 By the time the season starts,

00:54:25 it's going to be like, could

00:54:27 will he be a fringe all star?

00:54:29 Will he will he

00:54:30 Corzer made it?

00:54:31 Yeah, we will.

00:54:32 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:32 Will will he be in the three

00:54:34 point contest?

00:54:35 That's probably our goal

00:54:36 is can we get Sam Houser

00:54:37 in the three point contest?

00:54:38 It is still a travesty

00:54:42 that Sam Houser did not play

00:54:44 in the playoffs,

00:54:46 especially the Hawks series.

00:54:48 I also think that he matched up

00:54:50 really well with Billy

00:54:51 like coming into the Hawks series.

00:54:53 I was like, this is a Houser series.

00:54:55 He can hold up defensively

00:54:57 and then you can't hide

00:54:58 Trae Young on him

00:54:59 because because as you said, Ben,

00:55:00 he moves without the ball.

00:55:02 I saw a few clips here.

00:55:04 We can talk over it

00:55:05 because there's no sound.

00:55:05 But his defense against Philly

00:55:08 from the regular season game,

00:55:10 where there was no Rob and no Horford.

00:55:13 Luke really cooked us

00:55:14 on these two clips here.

00:55:15 How's a great screen

00:55:16 navigation on Harden?

00:55:18 And then Luke helps

00:55:19 and then helps again.

00:55:20 Zero need to help on that either.

00:55:22 Like I said, not need to.

00:55:24 And then locks up Maxi 1v1

00:55:26 after navigating a screen again

00:55:28 and then moving off the ball,

00:55:29 taking advantage of someone like Harden

00:55:30 is terrible with off ball defense splash.

00:55:32 Never in doubt.

00:55:34 And again, Harden kind of like gets

00:55:36 like got caught ball

00:55:37 watching Luke Cornett.

00:55:39 And then how's a splashes

00:55:41 a three and in this play,

00:55:42 Trae Young tries to fight

00:55:43 through a litany of screens,

00:55:45 gets lost.

00:55:45 Sam Houser, bang, splash.

00:55:48 Like it just did not make any sense to me

00:55:50 that he was not playing in the rotation

00:55:52 in the Hawks series.

00:55:53 And again, in the in the sixes series,

00:55:55 because I think what it gives you

00:55:57 offensively.

00:55:57 For a team that like has off,

00:56:00 that's that's their issue in the playoffs.

00:56:02 I thought he really could have helped

00:56:04 in three games versus the Hawks last season,

00:56:06 the average 17 points per game.

00:56:07 Now on 68 percent from three.

00:56:10 The point total is kind of buoyed

00:56:14 by the last game of the regular season.

00:56:16 If you remember, that was also the game

00:56:18 that paid for it at 30 point triple double.

00:56:20 Sam Houser, I think went nine for 14

00:56:23 from three in that game.

00:56:24 I saw the box court.

00:56:26 I was like, why do I don't remember

00:56:27 this game more vividly?

00:56:29 And then I went back and I was like,

00:56:30 oh, it's it was the last game.

00:56:32 It didn't matter.

00:56:33 Yeah, but he's got it to us.

00:56:36 But yeah, his percentage from three

00:56:37 against the Hawks actually went up.

00:56:39 If you exclude the nine for 14 game

00:56:41 because he was that lights

00:56:42 out against the Hawks.

00:56:43 And in that Philly game,

00:56:45 he was 14 points and eight rebounds

00:56:48 because he needed him to rebound

00:56:49 because there was no rubber now

00:56:50 for four from three.

00:56:52 I know those are two of our

00:56:54 bigger, you know, Eastern Conference rivals.

00:56:57 And then also the game where the Celtics

00:56:59 almost beat the Bucs

00:57:00 when there was like half

00:57:01 the Celtics roster was out.

00:57:03 He was also crucial in that game as well.

00:57:05 Like he had proved

00:57:06 they could hang against like

00:57:08 two of the biggest

00:57:10 Eastern Conference rivals team,

00:57:11 plus our first round opponent.

00:57:12 The fact that he got,

00:57:13 you know, changed the bench

00:57:15 for the playoffs was really rough.

00:57:18 And, you know, Grant goes out,

00:57:20 Hauser steps up.

00:57:21 That kind of is like the obvious

00:57:22 the obvious move going into next season.

00:57:25 And I saw some people

00:57:27 talking about rebounding.

00:57:29 I forget if I've been

00:57:30 through these stats or it's

00:57:31 just been a while since I've been on.

00:57:32 But Grant, eight point six rebounds

00:57:35 per 100 possessions.

00:57:36 Hauser, seven point five rebounds

00:57:38 per 100 possessions.

00:57:39 You know, kind of a negligible difference.

00:57:41 The biggest difference

00:57:44 is going to be the offensive impact

00:57:46 of Hauser versus Grant.

00:57:47 As good as Grant was,

00:57:48 percentage wise from three.

00:57:50 Grant played two hundred

00:57:52 two thousand and forty five minutes

00:57:53 last season, which is a lot more

00:57:55 than I kind of thought before I checked.

00:57:56 Fourth on the team.

00:57:57 Fourth. Yeah, dude.

00:57:58 I know. Wow.

00:57:59 Like our memories of Grant,

00:58:00 like kind of like getting DMPs

00:58:01 doesn't really match up

00:58:02 with how much he played last season.

00:58:03 Yeah. Yeah.

00:58:05 But Grant took two hundred

00:58:06 ninety one three pointers last season.

00:58:08 Forty percent.

00:58:09 Hauser only played one thousand

00:58:12 two hundred ninety minutes.

00:58:13 He got up three hundred

00:58:14 thirty five threes and shot 42 percent.

00:58:17 Like he shot, you know,

00:58:18 40 more threes and Grant

00:58:20 in like seven hundred less minutes.

00:58:22 We also missed every three

00:58:24 between like January and March.

00:58:25 Yeah, dude.

00:58:26 As well.

00:58:26 Yeah.

00:58:26 And still shot over 40, 40 percent.

00:58:29 Yeah. Which is insane.

00:58:30 That was that was the whole team

00:58:32 that missed every three in November

00:58:34 that like that.

00:58:35 I don't know.

00:58:35 So that was that was a team wide issue.

00:58:37 And then turnovers

00:58:38 one of our Achilles

00:58:40 heel in the playoffs grant

00:58:41 to turnovers per 100 possessions.

00:58:42 How's a one point one turnovers

00:58:44 per 100 possessions?

00:58:45 And that's because he doesn't dribble.

00:58:46 As Spooney alluded to earlier,

00:58:48 zero dribble threes.

00:58:49 And that was something

00:58:50 how many times we're

00:58:51 yelling at the TV screen.

00:58:52 Grant, just shoot the ball.

00:58:54 Just shoot the ball in that

00:58:56 in that game that the Celtics

00:58:57 almost beat the Bucs with their bench.

00:58:58 The last play of the game,

00:59:01 Grant had like an open three

00:59:03 and he pumped fate

00:59:04 and dribbled off his foot.

00:59:04 Turnover game lost.

00:59:06 How's the shoots that no question

00:59:08 gets it off and he may

00:59:10 may or may come this.

00:59:11 But to quote Eric Spalstra

00:59:13 in the playoffs, my top shots on goal,

00:59:16 shots on goal, shots on goal.

00:59:17 Yeah, absolutely.

00:59:20 Go check out the Spooney

00:59:22 write up on.

00:59:22 It's really good on Celtics blog.

00:59:24 It's great as all Spooney write ups.

00:59:28 And you can see it

00:59:29 if you log on to Celtics blog dot com

00:59:31 as I talk like a 90s Internet person.

00:59:34 Log on to Celtics blog dot com.

00:59:36 You can see there.

00:59:37 Get on a while.

00:59:38 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:39 Dial up.

00:59:40 It's there under the literally

00:59:42 it's in the right hand column

00:59:43 on the must read or most read.

00:59:45 Rather, you can see

00:59:46 that the first article

00:59:47 there is is Spooney's article on Sam.

00:59:51 How's it go?

00:59:52 Check it out.

00:59:52 Moving on to misc news, miscellaneous news.

00:59:55 Before we wrap up here,

00:59:56 Danilo Gallinari

00:59:58 made some headlines today,

00:59:59 at least on my Twitter feed.

01:00:01 And this is from his

01:00:03 a Cresta Alta podcast.

01:00:06 Quote, I can't wait to play against Boston

01:00:09 and forgive me for not doing the Italian accent

01:00:11 when the schedule will be will be unveiled.

01:00:14 I'll put an X on the games

01:00:15 we play at Boston against the Celtics.

01:00:18 Spooney, what's the deal here?

01:00:20 Like, did we not treat this guy extremely well?

01:00:23 Did we not like harbor his recovery

01:00:27 after he tore his ACL in a non NBA game?

01:00:30 What's what's the deal?

01:00:31 Every time he posted on Instagram,

01:00:33 it was just like clovers.

01:00:35 And we love you.

01:00:35 Hope you get healthy.

01:00:37 Sorry for paying you six million dollars

01:00:39 to rehab an injury.

01:00:40 We had nothing to do.

01:00:41 Didn't he do it when he was playing

01:00:42 for Italy to like,

01:00:44 what do you want from us?

01:00:45 Like, yeah, you got traded, Danilo.

01:00:47 You you're 37 with a serious injury

01:00:50 like it's going to happen, buddy.

01:00:52 Sorry.

01:00:52 So I don't get it.

01:00:54 But I guess he's just hurt

01:00:56 because he really wanted to be a Celtic.

01:00:57 I can't believe Danilo

01:01:00 Galnari has a podcast.

01:01:01 I guess we have a podcast,

01:01:02 so he's as qualified as anyone.

01:01:04 Arguably much more qualified

01:01:07 to talk about basketball on a podcast.

01:01:10 I wonder if this was in Italian or not,

01:01:13 because Cresta Alta,

01:01:15 that sounds like it could be got Italian.

01:01:18 So shout out to have a transcribe this one.

01:01:21 But yeah, what the hell, Gallo?

01:01:24 I will say the last time

01:01:25 he played the Celtics,

01:01:26 didn't he have like 38 points?

01:01:27 He lit us up.

01:01:28 Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:29 So that's fine.

01:01:31 If he wants to, if that's his revenge,

01:01:33 you know, you get up, get up 12, three.

01:01:36 He'll be playing for the Wizards.

01:01:37 So we'll see if he's able

01:01:40 to even get any shots up

01:01:42 with Jordan Poole and Kyle Kuzma on the team.

01:01:44 Like if there's any

01:01:45 if there's any other scraps to go around.

01:01:47 But yeah, that was that was a weird one.

01:01:49 I we were as excited as anybody

01:01:50 to have Danilo on the team.

01:01:52 So.

01:01:53 Well, yeah, we played the song on the podcast.

01:01:56 We were like, everyone wanted it to be a thing.

01:01:59 Like, I'm sorry it didn't happen.

01:02:00 I'm sorry you were injured.

01:02:02 No one wanted it to go that way.

01:02:04 And then like we traded Grant Williams,

01:02:06 right, for salary cap reasons.

01:02:09 So we were very much more.

01:02:11 Yeah. Marcus Smart. Thank you.

01:02:13 We're so much more attached to those guys

01:02:15 than you, Danilo.

01:02:16 So like, I apologize

01:02:18 that you were a symptom

01:02:20 of this CBA situation.

01:02:22 And Spoonie and I talked about like,

01:02:24 where does the new CBA rank in like things

01:02:27 that have like fucked the Celtics

01:02:29 in the past 10 years?

01:02:30 And it was number one.

01:02:31 So I'm sorry.

01:02:32 We've got bigger issues to deal with.

01:02:34 You know, you're getting paid

01:02:37 millions of dollars.

01:02:38 You we, you know, gave you a haven

01:02:40 in which to recover from your injury.

01:02:42 And we've sent you somewhere

01:02:43 where you'll arguably have more playing time.

01:02:45 So like.

01:02:46 Kind of fuck you, Danilo Gallinari.

01:02:49 I don't know what else to say.

01:02:50 Like, I'm annoyed.

01:02:51 The best doctors and hospitals

01:02:52 in the country, man.

01:02:54 Like, come on, Danilo.

01:02:55 Very frustrating

01:02:57 and way out of left field.

01:02:58 All right, let's let's end on this.

01:03:00 So Derek White was on NBA today, today,

01:03:03 and I'm going to truncate

01:03:05 some of the quotes here.

01:03:06 What about this one?

01:03:08 Quote, I love being here in Boston.

01:03:10 It would be cool to get an extension,

01:03:12 White said when asked

01:03:13 if he'd like to get a deal done

01:03:14 before the season starts.

01:03:16 Quote, we'll see what happens

01:03:17 during that window.

01:03:18 But I've loved my time in Boston so far

01:03:20 and my focus right now

01:03:21 is just on the season.

01:03:23 Like the interviews on YouTube.

01:03:24 Go check it out.

01:03:25 And he talks about how like

01:03:26 the starting point guard role

01:03:28 is a natural fit.

01:03:29 And the addition of Chris

01:03:30 apps, Paul Zingas

01:03:31 is only going to make his job easier

01:03:33 and he's really looking forward to it.

01:03:34 Blah, blah, blah, etc, etc.

01:03:36 We'll throw now to the world's

01:03:38 leading expert on Derek White,

01:03:40 Jake Eisenberg, fresh back from Albania.

01:03:42 Did you have a chance

01:03:44 to catch the interview?

01:03:45 What do you think about these quotes

01:03:46 from Derek White?

01:03:47 Both Buffalo.

01:03:48 No, I was actually wasn't able

01:03:50 to find it, but I said

01:03:51 I saw the quotes earlier.

01:03:52 Offer the extension

01:03:56 as soon as he's eligible.

01:03:58 Three years, 90 million,

01:04:00 30 million a year is like

01:04:02 in today's NBA

01:04:03 or by the time that extension kicks in,

01:04:06 30 million is going to be

01:04:09 going to be nothing.

01:04:10 You know, the Fred Van Vliet

01:04:11 of the world making 43.

01:04:13 Jeremy Grant making.

01:04:14 40 or 35, whatever he's making like

01:04:19 like you could make an argument

01:04:20 that Derek shouldn't take the extension

01:04:22 because if when if he if he's

01:04:23 is able to get to free agency,

01:04:26 he'll he'll be making

01:04:28 like 40 million a year.

01:04:29 He does strike me as a type of dude

01:04:30 that like if you offer him a three

01:04:32 for 90 million dollar contract,

01:04:33 he's going to be like.

01:04:34 Yes, I'll take that immediately

01:04:36 because he just likes to hang out

01:04:39 with his his kid Hendrix and

01:04:41 and just hope.

01:04:43 And so you kind of need to make sure

01:04:46 that this guy's locked up,

01:04:47 because I think

01:04:48 I would say that he's probably

01:04:50 more important to keep around

01:04:51 than Porzingis, because

01:04:53 you need to make sure

01:04:54 you've got like a legitimate point

01:04:56 card to run the team going forward,

01:04:59 because it's going to be

01:05:00 pretty much impossible

01:05:01 to find someone in free agency

01:05:02 because of how much

01:05:03 the Jays will be making.

01:05:04 And having a look

01:05:06 at the salary cap stuff,

01:05:07 it does seem like you're with you.

01:05:09 You'll still be able to have Jason

01:05:11 because that'll be the first year

01:05:12 that Jason's supermax contract kicks in.

01:05:14 Jason Jalen, KP, Rob, Derek.

01:05:17 And if he's making 30 million,

01:05:19 that leaves like

01:05:20 like another 30 million of

01:05:23 like for the rest of the roster,

01:05:24 which is not a lot, obviously,

01:05:25 but that still leaves space

01:05:27 for the first round pick

01:05:29 from the Warriors,

01:05:29 the first round pick

01:05:30 at the Celtics, owner of their own

01:05:32 that core locked up.

01:05:35 I don't care who else is on the roster.

01:05:37 I know you guys spoke about

01:05:39 like that being a

01:05:40 screwing over the Celtics.

01:05:41 The CBA is like the biggest things

01:05:43 by the time we get there.

01:05:45 A lot of teams are going to be feeling

01:05:46 that crunch as well.

01:05:47 And that's going to kind of.

01:05:48 Maybe really level the playing field

01:05:51 because the Celtics will have this

01:05:52 this core intact.

01:05:54 And so for other teams to match up

01:05:56 to that level of talent

01:05:57 could be quite difficult

01:05:58 because like KP for 30 million

01:06:00 and Derek for 30 million

01:06:01 will actually kind of be cheap

01:06:03 in the NBA in twenty five, twenty six.

01:06:06 So get it done immediately.

01:06:09 Yeah, I think average starter money

01:06:11 is like 20, a little more than 20

01:06:14 right now.

01:06:15 And yeah, exactly.

01:06:17 That's going to be average

01:06:18 starter money in two, three years.

01:06:20 And Derek White is much better

01:06:21 than an average starter.

01:06:22 So that's a positive contract

01:06:24 the second he signs it.

01:06:25 And he's older than you kind of think,

01:06:28 but he doesn't have a ton of miles on him

01:06:30 because he played, you know,

01:06:31 like D2 basketball

01:06:33 for most of his college career

01:06:34 and then was kind of on those

01:06:36 funky, deep Spurs team.

01:06:38 And it's not like he was racking up

01:06:39 like thirty seven minutes a night.

01:06:40 They weren't ever making

01:06:41 the playoffs, really.

01:06:42 So like, I think he'll age

01:06:44 pretty gracefully as well.

01:06:46 It probably means you got to pick

01:06:48 between White and Brogdon.

01:06:49 In my opinion, that is not a choice.

01:06:51 That is a very simple choice.

01:06:53 That is Derek White

01:06:54 ten times out of ten.

01:06:55 So, yeah, sign him up.

01:06:57 He's aerodynamic with the bald head.

01:07:00 Oh, yeah, he's going to be the point guard.

01:07:02 We saw that one run

01:07:03 when he was the point guard

01:07:04 when Smart was out

01:07:05 and he outplayed Marcus Smart last year

01:07:08 as the starting point guard.

01:07:09 So I'm excited to see it.

01:07:10 I think he's going to have a monster year.

01:07:11 We're joking about

01:07:12 Hauser borderline all star.

01:07:14 Derek White might actually be a borderline

01:07:16 all star next year.

01:07:17 Yes, let's go.

01:07:20 Let's go.

01:07:21 Yeah.

01:07:22 All right.

01:07:22 Let's let's wrap up on that.

01:07:24 That is going to do it for this one.

01:07:25 Thank you so much for joining us.

01:07:26 We will be back on Thursday night

01:07:28 with Green Runs Deep as advertised

01:07:30 Celtics super fan

01:07:32 and social media influencer.

01:07:33 And we're going to do that

01:07:34 as part of our get to know

01:07:35 the Celtics media series,

01:07:37 which I think will be part

01:07:38 four at this point.

01:07:39 Really looking forward to that one next week.

01:07:41 We're back with live Celtics trivia.

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01:07:49 Spoonie Jake, love your work, guys.

01:07:51 Until next time, go Celtics.

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