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Welcome to episode 137 of the A List Podcast with A. Sherrod Blakely, Gary Washburn, and Kwani A. Lunis. In this episode, Sherrod, Gary and Kwani talk "Barbie" release, Jaylen Brown's deal and the delay in negotiations as he travels to the NBPA's event in Spain. The A List also talks about the James Harden and Dame Lillard trade situations, and the rumblings following Joel Embiid's comments about his future in Philly.  0:00 Intro/Barbie Talk 2:10 Jaylen Brown Supermax Extension Talks on Hold; Are We Concerned? 3:30 NBPA Trip Is For Business/Working Out in Spain, Chance for Brown to Improve 4:45 Celtics Need Some Good News Right Now 7:00 Sherrod Thinks Deal Will Get Done, But it Won't Be Smooth or Easy 10:00 Should Jaylen Brown's Value Off The Court Should Factor Into His Contract? 11:17 Indeed 14:00 Gary Thinks Celtics Should Put Incentives Into Jaylen Brown's Deal 16:00 New CBA Is About Players Being More Like Partners, More Opportunities 17:45 Gary: Get The Brown Deal Done Before August and Get It Out of The News Cycle 18:00 Tatum Links Up With Drake During Concert at TD Garden 21:45 Talking James Harden to the Clippers Rumors 25:45 FanDuel 26:30 What Would Clippers Give Up For Harden? 27:00 Gary Rants About James Harden 31:15 Joel Embiid's Comments On Winning a Championship; Will He Want Out of Philly Next? 36:50 Factor Meals 39:00 Talking Steph Curry's Movie "Underrated" 43:30 Gary Talks Wilt Chamberlain Documentary 47:45 Outro  This episode of the A List Podcast w/ A. Sherrod Blakely, Gary Washburn & Kwani A. Lunis is brought to you by:  FanDuel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network! Visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON to get up to TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in bonus bets! Take your first swing at betting MLB on FanDuel and get TEN TIMES your first bet amount in bonus bets - up to TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS – win or lose.  21+ and present in MA. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Refund issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Hope is here. GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234.  Major League Baseball trademarks used with permission.  Indeed! Visit https://Indeed.com/ALIST to start hiring now! Indeed understands the importance of making every dollar count when growing your business. That's why you only pay for quality applications that match your must-have job requirements with Indeed. If you need to hire, you need Indeed.  Factor Meals! Head to https://factormeals.com/ALIST50 and use code alist50 to get 50% off your first box!

Transcript

00:00 The A-List Podcast is brought to you by FanDuel, the exclusive wedgering partner of the CLNS

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00:06 Welcome.

00:07 Thank you for listening.

00:08 Joining in to the A-List Podcast, I'm Kwanye Lunas, joined by A-Shara Blakely and Gary

00:15 Washburn.

00:16 And Gary has been annoyed already in the past few minutes because Shara and I are really

00:20 excited about this Barbie movie and Gary is just clearly not in the Barbie spirit, which

00:25 is very disappointing.

00:26 Are there any black people in it?

00:27 Are they like...

00:28 Yes.

00:29 Who are the black people in it?

00:30 Lisa Ray.

00:31 Who?

00:32 Lisa Ray?

00:33 Gary, this is the most diver...

00:34 Lisa who?

00:35 This is the most diver...

00:36 Oh, see, don't act like you don't know that.

00:37 I didn't know there was a Barbie movie coming out.

00:38 I honestly did not know.

00:39 Okay, there's no way in this day and age you didn't have not seen a Barbie commercial

00:48 on a billboard.

00:49 I've seen a lot of Barbie, I've seen people, but I did not know there was actually a movie

00:54 with a plot and a kin and a dream house.

00:59 I didn't know none of that.

01:00 This is the most diverse Barbie movie ever.

01:03 Ever.

01:04 Ever.

01:05 Ever.

01:06 It is...

01:07 I mean, there's like...

01:08 Has there ever been a Barbie movie?

01:09 Probably.

01:10 I don't think so, actually.

01:11 But I wouldn't know because I would never watch them until they went down this path.

01:16 Okay.

01:17 I even got my pink headphones.

01:20 My students in my class this summer at Boston University, we'd spend a lot of time talking

01:25 about the Barbie movie, different stories that you could develop off the Barbie movie.

01:28 And so what did they do at the end of the class?

01:30 They got me a Barbie.

01:31 Aw.

01:32 They got me a Barbie.

01:33 You love them.

01:34 And Gary, next time you come to my office, Gary, you will see it.

01:37 It'll be right next to the other stuff I got hanging out on the wall.

01:42 Can't wait.

01:43 But there is no kin.

01:44 Yeah, there's no kin.

01:46 I'm waiting for them to come out with Kendrick.

01:48 When they bring Kendrick, that's when we got something to talk about.

01:52 I'm not down with kin.

01:53 I want to see Kendrick up in that bad boy.

01:56 It's actually really funny because if we're going by stereotypes, I'm sure most of our

01:59 audience are like, "Why are they talking about Barbie right now?"

02:02 But you know what?

02:03 You're still listening, so we appreciate you for that.

02:06 We'll talk about Jalen Brown now.

02:08 On to Jalen Brown.

02:10 Here we go.

02:11 A smooth transition into Jalen Brown from the Barbie conversation.

02:15 But he's yet to sign that Supermax extension.

02:17 Could be worth over $304 million.

02:21 He would end up being the biggest paid NBA player, at least in history, with that contract.

02:27 But are you two concerned over the fact that this has, one, not gone down yet, but two,

02:32 the fact that we keep getting reports of like, "Oh, Jalen's busy," and like, "Oh, they're

02:36 working on it," and it seems as though just nuggets are being dropped, but no action is

02:41 actually being put behind it yet.

02:43 Well, Gary, you saw him more recently than I did, so what's your take on that?

02:49 I'm not concerned because I just think it's a deal that needs to be negotiated, and Jalen

02:55 is in Spain right now for a Players Association kind of event.

03:02 Now this is the...

03:04 It hasn't really been written about, so this is a situation where he goes to Spain with

03:08 other players and they work on their own games.

03:11 Like, this is a camp for themselves.

03:13 Like, they go...

03:15 It's like, you know, players go to Vegas to work out.

03:17 Players go to other, you know, city, LA, to get runs.

03:21 The Players Association set up like a trip where these got their players, some players

03:27 who are interested can go to Spain and work on their skills.

03:31 So this is not just Jalen doing camps or vacationing.

03:35 This is a business trip for Jalen that I think is going to stay a couple of extra days.

03:41 I know it ends on Friday.

03:43 Sorry, the 22nd.

03:45 Something like that.

03:47 22nd of Saturday.

03:49 The second day.

03:51 Yeah.

03:52 And then he's going to stay a few extra days to do some camps with kids and that and kind

03:59 of do the philanthropy thing.

04:02 So this is a trip for him.

04:04 It's not just him.

04:05 Oh, I know y'all trying to negotiate my deal, but I'm trying to go on vacation right now.

04:10 No.

04:11 This is a kind of a this is a opportunity for him to work on his game, to go to Spain,

04:18 to see some different things.

04:19 But also this is kind of a business trip.

04:21 So I don't think fans should be like, oh, Jason Jalen Einstein is dealing with inside.

04:27 He's just going to go on a vacation.

04:29 Like this has been pre planned for a while now.

04:33 He went last year, too.

04:34 So, you know, he is gone and there's members of the Players Association going with him,

04:39 other players.

04:40 I'm not as concerned.

04:43 You'd like to get it done ASAP when he gets back, closes deal, do a nice press conference,

04:49 have Jalen say, hey, I'm glad to be here and I want to be here for the rest of my career

04:53 and move forward, because I think the Celtics need some good news right now.

04:58 Losing Grant, losing Marcus.

05:00 And there's, you know, when Malcolm still probably a little salty about being kind of

05:06 dangled for trade and not going through.

05:08 And now it's like, oh, now you're a point guard.

05:11 And then, you know, what about some other moves that might be made?

05:14 I'm the only happy person that he says he got that extension.

05:18 Yeah, like that's it.

05:19 Like some of these some good news.

05:21 And I need to make this happen to get, you know, forget all the oh, we want him back.

05:27 And this is going to work out, make it happen.

05:30 Get this deal done.

05:31 Have a nice press conference and keep it moving and try to add to the roster during

05:38 the next couple of weeks.

05:41 And so I think Celtic fans are a little uneasy about not only Jalen, but just losing Grant

05:46 and losing Marcus Smart.

05:48 So this needs to happen.

05:50 But I am not concerned like Jalen's like deuces.

05:53 I'm going on vacation.

05:54 This was something that's been planned for a long time.

05:58 And I think, you know, we all know Jalen, he wants to be there for these negotiations.

06:02 He's not going to be like, oh, like this, you know, let my handle this.

06:06 That's not that's not his style.

06:07 So I'm not as concerned as you would think, considering I think they're going to get this

06:14 deal done.

06:15 Well, here's the thing.

06:19 I'm not ready to hit what I like to call the Kyle Draper panic button.

06:22 I'm ready to go there.

06:24 But I am concerned I'm only concerned because the opportunity to get this deal done was

06:29 there when he was in Vegas.

06:30 He could easily him and his agent and his Celtic sat down, work something out, get it

06:35 done, have a little mini press conference in Vegas, and then take it back to Spain and

06:40 do all this stuff that you already had planned.

06:43 And to me, as long as this deal isn't done, I'm going to have a level of concern.

06:48 It's not very high, because I agree with you.

06:49 I think it will get done.

06:51 But I think it's not going to be as smooth and easy breezy as people think.

06:56 There are the Celtics.

06:57 If you're the Celtics, you're certainly going to try to put in some escalators that are

07:01 contingent upon him meeting certain metric marks that incentives that he may not necessarily

07:06 want to be incentives.

07:07 You may want a certain number to be guaranteed money in and the Celts may have a different

07:11 number in mind as far as what's fully guaranteed.

07:14 Those are some of the things that I would like for them to have started to iron out

07:17 in Vegas so that if they didn't get the deal done, they can just say, "Okay, we started.

07:22 We've made a little progress on this area now.

07:24 We've still got one, two, three, four to work out.

07:26 We'll do that when you get back from Spain.

07:28 Have a nice time.

07:29 Adios."

07:30 All of this stuff.

07:31 And come back from Spain and just get it done.

07:34 But now it seems that when he comes back, they're starting from not only say ground

07:39 zero, but pretty damn close to ground zero to getting this thing done.

07:42 And I hope that they start when he gets back.

07:44 I hope they don't wait till he started trading camp and try to get something done because

07:49 they do have a lot of time to work this out.

07:52 But I think the sooner they start hammering away at this thing, the sooner they're going

07:55 to get the deal done.

07:56 But until they start doing that, Gary, I'm going to have a little bit of concern about

08:01 this because I know that things that are supposed to be a certain way and seem like no brainers,

08:08 it can twist real quick.

08:10 Things can get funky.

08:12 And as you pointed out, Jaylen is a smart dude and he's definitely going to be involved

08:16 in the process.

08:17 And I would not be shocked if there's certain things that he wants to be guaranteed or he

08:22 wants certain assurances that the Southies are like, "Damn, JB, we love you, boy.

08:28 But damn, I don't know about that one.

08:30 What if we do this?"

08:32 And I think that there has to be the back and forth discourse.

08:34 And I just don't think they have invested enough in that just yet.

08:38 They will eventually.

08:39 But I think I'm like most fans.

08:41 I want them to just get it done.

08:42 I mean, no one's going to offer you more money.

08:44 And this is going to be the richest contract any player has ever had in NBA history.

08:48 It's kind of a big deal.

08:49 So I understand why if you're Jaylen, you're being patient because you want to make sure

08:53 you just get this thing right.

08:55 But I also have to be mindful of the fact that at the end of the day, your brick is

08:59 going to be bigger than anyone's brick who's ever gotten a brick in the NBA.

09:04 You are literally becoming basically the blueprint, the template, if you will, for getting paid

09:10 in the NBA.

09:11 And the craziest part about all of this, and I know this is the part that Celtics fans

09:15 are a little bit queasy about, you're the second best player on the squad and you're

09:20 getting the biggest check, the biggest chip that anyone financially has gotten ever.

09:26 Ever.

09:27 So again, the sooner I think he gets this deal done, the sooner we can go through all

09:33 that.

09:34 He's not worth that money, which I think is bogus because you never get what you work

09:36 to get what you negotiate.

09:38 People forget that.

09:39 Especially when it comes to pro ballers.

09:41 But I would hope that he would try to get this done in an expedient manner, time.

09:47 And whether that is when he gets back from Spain, whether it's at the training camp,

09:51 we don't know.

09:52 But I'm hoping he'll get it done fairly soon.

09:55 When regular people negotiate their salary, there are a lot of factors that you write

09:59 down for a normal job.

10:02 So with Jaylen Brown specifically, do you guys think that his value beyond being a baller

10:07 should be factored in to the contract?

10:10 Absolutely.

10:11 I think that that has to be a factor that you at least consider because let's be honest

10:16 and let's keep it real.

10:17 One of the brightest young stars in the NBA is some cat named John Moran.

10:21 Now he's getting the big break and he deserves a big break for what he does on the court.

10:26 But the stuff he does off the court is problematic for him.

10:30 It's problematic for the organization.

10:32 It's problematic for the NBA.

10:34 And with a guy like Jaylen, you not lose a sleep over what this cat does when he's off

10:38 the court.

10:39 He's been here long enough where you have a-

10:41 He's probably at MIT.

10:42 Yeah.

10:43 I mean, he's probably looking at some spreadsheet.

10:46 I can create more wealth for me or for these young people.

10:50 That's just who he is.

10:51 And Tatum, again, we're not talking about him too much, but he's in a similar boat as

10:55 far as real low, just not a lot of drama with them.

11:01 And so to me, you have to think about that when you're offering this kind of money, because

11:04 the last thing you want to do is put all that money in some kid's pocket.

11:07 And next thing you know, he's doing the John Moran.

11:12 He's doing the John Moran.

11:13 You don't want to do that.

11:14 That's a good point.

11:15 Gary, what do you think?

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13:01 I think there's going to be a lot of things in there to negotiate.

13:04 Like, what about a no-trade clause, right?

13:09 How long would you give a no-trade clause throughout the entire contract?

13:13 Player options, team options, incentives, all of the above have to be worked out to

13:19 where Jaylen can probably maximize it, but also have incentives to where it's like, "Okay,

13:25 this is how much you get if you win the MVP.

13:27 This is how much you get if we make the finals.

13:29 This is how much you get if we win the finals."

13:32 All those things have to be considered in terms of a major contract like this because

13:37 now you're putting $300 million in the hands of one man and you want to win championships,

13:45 right?

13:46 Hell yeah, you want to win championships.

13:47 Plural, not singular.

13:50 Plural, not singular, Gary.

13:53 You want to give him incentive to where he has incentive to make All-NBA again, All-NBA

14:02 First Team, All-Defensive Team.

14:04 Do you want to throw that in there?

14:07 All these things, you want to make sure that he has money on the line, right?

14:12 True.

14:14 Some of those incentives he's not going to reach, but I think you do try to lay it with

14:20 incentives to where he does have incentives to improve as a player because we all know

14:24 Jaylen needs to improve.

14:25 Jaylen needs to get to that next level.

14:27 He's top 20.

14:28 I mean, he made All-NBA, so you could say top 15, but I think he fell off a bit after

14:35 his playoff performance in terms of maybe his status.

14:39 Obviously, that game seven, the eight turnovers and coming up, one of the tougher games of

14:43 his career.

14:44 That's the last we've seen of Jaylen, right?

14:46 That's the latest.

14:48 That's the last thing on his resume is eight turnovers.

14:51 When Jason got hurt, you couldn't carry the load and keep the team in the game.

14:56 I think they're going to need to lay it with incentives and make sure that the Celtics

14:59 come out okay on this too.

15:02 Not here, Jaylen.

15:03 Here's $304 million or $295 million.

15:05 Here's $59 million a year.

15:08 Maybe you're going to make as much as $67 or $68 million in the final year of that deal

15:13 because it's going to be layered.

15:15 No problem.

15:17 It's straight up money.

15:20 You want to give him incentives.

15:22 Now the Jason negotiation, I'm sure, will be much easier because there will be less

15:26 incentives.

15:27 Jason's reached a lot of those, but you want to give Jason some incentives too eventually,

15:32 right?

15:33 MVP, things like that.

15:36 I think, and you also take into account that the man Jaylen is off the floor, a positive

15:42 role model, what he's doing.

15:44 You want to make sure he's in Boston long-term.

15:46 If this is the guy you want, this is the guy, quite honestly, that you invest in.

15:54 You drafted him.

15:55 He's homegrown.

15:56 He's had his issues with Boston or whatever.

15:59 Now you talk to him about that.

16:01 You might want to, the team has a lot of assets and a lot of helpful people around the organization,

16:08 outside of the organization.

16:09 "Hey, Jaylen, you want to buy a house here.

16:12 You want to invest in this.

16:13 You want to be," eventually, Jaylen might want to invest in a WNBA team.

16:18 Now NBA players can do that.

16:22 You can invest in certain things.

16:24 You can invest in, there's a level, a small percentage of sports betting you can invest

16:28 in.

16:29 The CBA has a lot of options for the players to be more partners.

16:33 That was the theme of this new CBA, having talked to the Player Association President,

16:39 Tamika Chamalgo, was like, "We want to be partners."

16:44 That's what she said.

16:45 "We want to be partners, not employees."

16:47 I think a lot of this new CBA has an opportunity for these players to be partners.

16:51 Do you throw some of those incentives in there?

16:55 When you retire, Jaylen, do you want to be part of the partners?

16:57 There could be a lot of things to deal with.

17:02 That's why I think this negotiation is a little bit more difficult than just straight, "Hey,

17:06 here's $250 million.

17:07 Hey, here's $300 million, straight up money.

17:11 Be ready for training camp."

17:12 I think that there's a lot going on in Jaylen's head.

17:17 The fact that his family's hanging out, his brother was sitting with the Celtics folks

17:22 during the summer league, I don't see no issues with Jaylen mad at the Celtics.

17:27 Jaylen's mad right now.

17:28 Jaylen doesn't want to be around.

17:29 His brother was hanging with Mike Zarin on the sideline at a Celtics summer league game,

17:36 the second one, when they lost to Washington.

17:38 They were hanging out, sitting on court side.

17:42 If that was an issue, Jaylen's brother wouldn't be hanging out with the Celtics folks.

17:49 I think we're fine, but I also think that it needs to get done when he gets back.

17:55 Don't let this bleed into August and all that.

17:58 Just get this done.

18:00 Let the pardon thing and the littler thing be the NBA news.

18:03 The Celtics want to stay out the news right now.

18:06 Unless they're doing something positive, signing somebody.

18:08 With this thing, get up out the news.

18:11 All right, let's pivot and talk to the other Jay on this team, Jason Tatum.

18:16 He's living his best summer life right now.

18:19 He was at the Drake concert at TD Garden.

18:21 I love that Sherrod put in our rundown that we're going to talk about the girl that fell

18:24 down the stairs.

18:25 What happened?

18:26 I didn't see that.

18:27 The captain said she literally fell for Tatum.

18:33 That's not really funny though.

18:35 She's literally ... As soon as they called Tatum out and everyone's going crazy, crazy,

18:38 crazy, and then someone is in the stands who literally ... Back when you were a little

18:43 kid and you were in the ... Well, Gary don't know about this because he was on West Coast.

18:46 He don't know about that snow thing.

18:47 He don't know about-

18:48 Oh, like sledding?

18:49 Yes.

18:50 She literally slid like she was on a sled down the stairs, Gary.

18:53 Gary, I'm glad that she wasn't hurt because I would have felt really bad for laughing

19:00 my ass off when I saw that video if she was hurt.

19:03 Apparently she was not seriously hurt.

19:06 Again, Tatum is just ... He's like that dude now.

19:12 He's that dude.

19:13 He's that dude that you look at his life on the court, you look at his life off the court,

19:18 you got Drake bringing you up on stage.

19:19 That shows what Drake does with pretty much any NBA city he goes to.

19:22 Whoever the best player is in that city, he's bringing them on stage.

19:26 I'm curious to see what he would do if he goes to Denver though.

19:28 Is Yogi going to get that kind of love?

19:29 I don't know.

19:30 Another story another day.

19:31 Anyway, bottom line is this.

19:33 Tatum is living the greatest life that Jason Tatum can live.

19:38 I'm excited for him.

19:40 I'm happy to see that kid happy.

19:41 I didn't know if he could get to the point where he could be outwardly happy about life.

19:46 I remember the first couple of years in the league.

19:48 He was just quiet.

19:49 Yeah, he was quiet, stoic, didn't really seem like ... He was giving you 20 years in chains

19:54 and he didn't really seem like he was enjoying giving you 20 in chains, but now he's giving

19:57 you 30.

19:58 He's giving you 30.

19:59 A big three O-piece.

20:00 He's got stuff in his life that's just incredibly awesome for him to have.

20:06 We don't do celebrity gossip, but we're going to do celebrity gossip.

20:09 Yes, he was with Ella Mai.

20:11 That's not gossip.

20:12 He's been together for a while, right?

20:16 I know.

20:17 It's funny because people whisper about it.

20:20 Fans, they see the pictures and they're like, "Oh my God, are they together?"

20:24 We can confirm on A-List Podcast that they have definitely been together on various occasions,

20:30 including publicly at Jay-Z's event.

20:32 I love the fact ... He's comfortable.

20:35 I was hoping he'd get to the point where he would be just comfortable being who he is

20:38 and being accepted for what he brings to the table, that kind of stuff.

20:44 Do you think that at this point he's shed the Only 19 title?

20:49 Is it finally over?

20:50 Is it dead?

20:51 Is he an adult now?

20:52 Is he a grown-ass man now, Gary Wexler?

20:53 Is he ready?

20:54 Is he a grown-ass man now?

20:55 He's grown.

20:56 He's grown.

20:57 I didn't know Ella Mai's 28, so I didn't know she was older than he is.

21:03 Gary just did his hood research, y'all.

21:05 FYI, Gary just did his hood research.

21:07 We need a hood research graphic.

21:09 Exactly.

21:10 We need to have the hood research file.

21:13 Yeah, we need a hood research team because-

21:16 Yeah, we do.

21:17 But okay.

21:18 Let's get that graphic that went across that hood research presented by-

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21:25 Get it going, Quanie.

21:26 I got you.

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21:33 Don't hit me up.

21:34 Hit up Sherrod or someone.

21:35 Hood Snack.

21:36 Hood Snack.

21:37 Yeah.

21:38 Here we go.

21:39 Blow Sherrod's phone up.

21:40 Some of that hood research, Gary, you're right.

21:41 She is 28 years old.

21:42 Okay.

21:43 It's a few years.

21:44 No, not too bad.

21:45 Ella Bernard.

21:46 She's not-

21:47 Ella Bernard.

21:48 ... robbing the cradle.

21:49 All right.

21:50 Oh, we know ... We're going to talk about the Sixers for a second, which is probably maybe,

21:57 I would say, one of the more hated teams for Celtics fans.

22:02 Then we're going to talk about the team they hate the most, probably because I actually

22:06 talked to their star player on Monday.

22:11 We'll get to that.

22:12 That's what they call it, TVT.

22:13 Let's talk about the Clippers.

22:15 James Harden, Clippers.

22:17 Do you guys think they'll get done?

22:18 Let's start with that NBA rumor first, actually.

22:21 Yes.

22:22 Dissect the Sixers.

22:24 I think it'll get done.

22:25 I think they'll find a way to make it happen because the way that players have been the

22:30 last couple of years, basically, when they say where they want to go, those teams find

22:35 a way to make it happen, more times than not.

22:38 I don't like the idea of players forcing their way out of town, especially when they force

22:42 their way into the damn town that they're leaving, the way Harden did.

22:48 It's just not working out.

22:50 But what?

22:51 Now you're going to go to LA and all of a sudden it's going to be better?

22:55 I just don't know if that's going to work.

22:58 Clippers will find a way to make it work, though.

23:00 I just don't think once he gets there, it'll work.

23:04 I think, I don't know what the allure now, because I think it's declining quickly of

23:12 James Harden on your basketball team.

23:15 It hasn't worked in the last many places.

23:18 It didn't work in Brooklyn, he asked out.

23:21 Now it's not working in Philadelphia.

23:23 So the Clippers, it's going, you know, suddenly it's going to work.

23:27 And maybe he'll, I think he'll become, you know, if it happens and he plays with Kawhi,

23:34 Kawhi, Kawhi Lunas.

23:37 My auto-correct counterpart on iPhone.

23:43 He stole my initials too, K.L.

23:46 The low management dude, and Paul George.

23:51 You know, it all depends on who else is on that team.

23:53 I think it'll be, you know, I think he'll be unselfish and I think he'll understand

23:58 that he has to be, you know, he has to be a certain way.

24:03 He can't be selfish James, Houston James.

24:06 But I don't know what the Clippers, like, what will it take?

24:10 The Clippers are not going to give up on Kawhi.

24:14 They don't want to give up on either young players.

24:16 So what is it?

24:17 Like Marcus Morris and Robert Covington and Norman Powell?

24:22 Like Philadelphia is going to be good with that?

24:24 No.

24:25 So it just makes it all the more difficult when you demand a trade, you force your team

24:29 to have to execute this trade because you don't, we all know what James is going to

24:34 do if he ain't happy somewhere.

24:35 He's going to be partying a lot.

24:37 Then he's going to show up looking like, you know, looking like Fred Flintstone or something.

24:46 Like it's a training camp.

24:48 Marty Rubble, Tom Hull, okay, I'm ready to hoop.

24:52 Let me put this Subway sandwich down and he's going to be, he's going to be, you're going

25:04 to have too many of them Shiraz shakes.

25:09 Too many of them Shiraz shakes.

25:11 It's just going to be, we all know what's going to happen.

25:13 So it forces Darryl Moore to have to make a trade, but the Clippers are like, well,

25:20 if we know he wants to be here, why should we give up a prime package for him when he's

25:27 going to act a fool if he stays, so we can't get him out of there.

25:31 The same thing, potentially with Portland and Miami, where you demand a trade to one

25:36 damn team and that don't help you execute the trade.

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26:29 You got to keep that down low.

26:32 You can't tell the world I want to play for Miami.

26:34 That's all I want to play for.

26:35 I want to play for Boston.

26:36 I want to play for Milwaukee.

26:37 I want to play for Miami.

26:38 And the same thing, I want to play for the Clippers.

26:44 Okay, Clippers.

26:46 What happens?

26:48 So I just think it just makes it all the more difficult.

26:51 So I'm going to be fascinated to see what this deal would be like, where what would

26:57 the Clippers be willing to give up?

26:59 Because they're not giving up Kawhi or Paul.

27:03 And then you have the large shadow of Joel Embiid going, "Well, okay, what are you getting

27:11 back for this dude?

27:12 Because I'm trying to win a championship.

27:15 You ain't going to get back no spare parts in a couple of first round picks."

27:18 First round picks ain't helping me right now.

27:21 So Marcus Morris at age 33, 34 ain't helping me.

27:27 And Norman Powell, as good as he is, that's not helping me right now when it's shit.

27:33 So I think it's really complicated because he has put them in a corner.

27:38 And the Clippers are like, "Well, we ain't giving up Terrence Mann.

27:41 We ain't giving up Brandon Boston.

27:43 We ain't giving up none of our young dudes.

27:46 Nope.

27:47 We'll give up.

27:48 This is what we're going to give up.

27:49 And we'll wait."

27:50 So this thing could last into the summer, throughout the summer, into training camp.

27:56 And James Madd, James didn't like the way -- I mean, if I hear one more thing about

28:00 James being upset about something, like not winning games, and then acting like he was

28:05 Desmond Tutu last year by giving up money on his contract.

28:09 Oh, here we go.

28:10 I knew Gary was going to do it.

28:12 We got another Gary rant.

28:13 The sacrifice that you made for his team.

28:14 The sacrifice that James made for his team.

28:15 The sacrifice that James made for his team.

28:16 Oh my gosh.

28:17 Nobel Peace Prize.

28:18 We need a new segment.

28:20 We need a new segment called Gary Rants, and we give him two minutes to rant about something.

28:26 Oh, I could have made more money like James.

28:30 You could have.

28:31 You're 34 years old.

28:32 You're 34 years old.

28:33 You're 34 years old.

28:34 Your stock is low.

28:35 I mean, he complained -- Russell Westbrook just signed for two years and $8 million after

28:44 making $47 million last year.

28:47 So Russell Westbrook, who some would argue is a more effective player than James Harden.

28:53 He's better than James right now?

28:54 You think he's better than James right now?

28:55 No.

28:56 Okay.

28:57 He's not.

28:58 He's not.

28:59 He's not.

29:00 He took a $43 million pay cut, and you tripping about making $36?

29:03 So Russ should get the Nobel Peace Prize.

29:06 Not James.

29:07 Russ.

29:08 Yes.

29:09 Yes.

29:10 We should bring Russ.

29:11 Get these multimillionaires peace prize for leaving money on the table.

29:17 Whenever NABJ gets to LA, we will give Russ a Pioneer Award for a pay cut.

29:23 For the sacrifice he's made.

29:25 We're going to give Russ a Pioneer Award.

29:31 To me, I'm just tired of hearing about Harden's unhappiness.

29:35 You ain't got no championships.

29:38 You got one MVP from a few years ago.

29:41 You did not show up in Game 7 against the Celtics.

29:43 You did not show up in Game 6 against the Celtics.

29:47 What are we talking about here?

29:50 That's the thing.

29:52 It's holding up the league.

29:53 Now you want to play for the Clippers.

29:57 That's going to work.

29:58 You think Ty Lue is like, "Oh, bring on James Harden.

30:01 All the prizes he done had over the years, and he's touching the Clippers.

30:05 All the injuries."

30:06 You think Ty Lue can't wait to coach Harden?

30:14 It's crazy.

30:15 I guess because of his skill set and his player empowerment, it's just strange, crazy

30:28 coming off the non-show in Game 7.

30:30 He mad.

30:31 What you got to be mad about, bro?

30:34 What'd you do?

30:35 Who messed you up, James?

30:38 You made $38 million last year.

30:41 Sacrifice.

30:42 The sacrifice of that pain.

30:43 I'm getting a little gold, man.

30:44 You doing me wrong.

30:45 Like, what?

30:46 It's insane.

30:47 Our league.

30:48 I love covering this league.

30:49 There was no league like it.

30:55 We just saw in the NFL, five productive running backs not get paid.

31:00 Josh Jacobs, my man for the Giants, Saquon Barkley.

31:05 The team's just like, "Yeah, you run for 1,800 yards and 44 touchdowns last year, but we

31:11 ain't paying you jack.

31:12 We ain't signing you no."

31:13 You know what I'm saying with this?

31:14 And then Harden at 36 is acting like he Nelson Mandela?

31:15 He brought it to the- Like, come on.

31:16 What's going on here?

31:17 Well, it also appears that another person that should have been trusting the process

31:30 may not trust in it anymore.

31:32 Joel Embiid told Interrupted Sports Film Festival, he's talking to Matt Carter, and he said,

31:39 "I just want to win a championship.

31:41 Whatever it takes.

31:42 I don't know where that's going to be, whether it's Philly or anywhere else.

31:45 He just wants to have a chance to accomplish that."

31:48 His contract, he has to opt in by June 29, 2026, but now the talks are, should someone

31:56 else be interested in him?

31:57 Because why is he so willing to ... It sounds like he's ready to go as well.

32:03 Listen, that's called a warning shot for the six of the organization that, "Look, I'll

32:10 win a championship here.

32:12 I'll win it elsewhere.

32:13 If y'all can't get it done, basically you need to put the right players around me."

32:17 And not the best players, the right players.

32:19 And there's a clear distinction between the two.

32:21 James Harden is one of the best players that Joel Embiid will ever play with.

32:24 But did anyone outside of the Philadelphia area code think that that duo will lead them

32:29 to a championship?

32:30 Hell no.

32:31 No.

32:32 I don't think anyone in the area code thought that either.

32:36 No.

32:37 But the point is this though, they did not put the right pieces around him.

32:41 And you just wonder, even though if they made a trade with the Clippers, they would absolutely

32:45 lose the deal in terms of talent, they might win the deal because they might be able to

32:49 get better pieces that pair better with Joel Embiid.

32:53 He may not like it, but if he's willing to give it one shot, which I'm not sure he's

32:57 willing to do, you never know what'll happen.

33:00 I would love a guy like Terrence Mann in Philly.

33:03 I think he'd be a great fit.

33:05 I think he could be the Philadelphia's version of Bruce Brown, when Bruce Brown was in Denver.

33:11 Guy that does a lot of things really well, doesn't do anything exceptional other than

33:17 just doing lots of different things.

33:19 So they can make that work.

33:22 I think they could absolutely make it work.

33:23 But I don't trust Philadelphia's brain trust enough to do the right thing.

33:27 I don't trust, because you know, I mean, Darryl Moore, let's be honest and be real, he likes

33:31 nice shiny toys.

33:33 Even if those toys don't look well or play well with the toys he's got.

33:38 And so he's not, I don't think he buys into the concept necessarily of getting guys who

33:42 are good fits for his core.

33:44 He likes to get the absolute best talent and think that the talent alone is going to get

33:50 the job done, which we've seen time and time and time again in Philly, that's not going

33:54 to work.

33:55 Like Barbie dolls.

33:56 Nice.

33:57 There you go.

33:58 Like Barbie dolls, yeah.

33:59 Let's be honest.

34:00 Like Darryl Moore, how many teams has he led to a championship?

34:06 Same as I have.

34:07 How many teams in the finals?

34:08 Same as me.

34:09 Cero.

34:10 Cero for you Spanish speaking people.

34:11 Cero.

34:12 Same as me.

34:13 So I've got Gary to speak Spanish.

34:14 I'm not sure.

34:15 Adios mio.

34:16 Adios mio.

34:17 I'm not sure like why he still has a job.

34:30 Like why did he fire Doc?

34:32 It's Doc fault.

34:33 Oh, okay.

34:34 It's Doc fault.

34:37 It's just amazing.

34:39 The gall, this Philadelphia, it just smells like I would like if I'm a Sixer fan, I'd

34:44 be just like, what the heck is going on?

34:47 The center won out.

34:48 The point guard now won out.

34:51 The general managers acting like he didn't like, like he read our back.

34:57 He got no championships, no finals appearances.

35:01 You know, he had like, he had, he had, he had, he had Riley in the eighties, you know,

35:06 running a team like, and it's just like, you have no credentials, no, no credibility in

35:11 terms of like putting together a championship team.

35:14 And then you bring James Harden in and somehow, cause that's your bud.

35:18 That's the guy, your guy.

35:19 Now your guy, ain't your guy anymore.

35:21 This is amazing.

35:22 This whole thing.

35:23 I mean, this NBA, it's what makes it fun, but it is insane.

35:30 The gall of some of these guys and what they do.

35:34 And there is no good guy in this.

35:36 You feel bad for Darryl Morey?

35:39 No, you sort of feel bad for him being, being, I doubt it.

35:44 Now he's tried, tried to make it work with Ben Simmons.

35:48 That didn't work, you know, but now, and then look at, look at, look at what James did to

35:53 my man, PJ Tucker.

35:55 Bring, you know, come on, man.

35:57 I got you.

35:58 We going, we going to run this one year.

36:00 He out.

36:01 See you PJ.

36:02 That's like, that's like saying, Hey, move into my neighborhood, move into my neighborhood.

36:07 As you got the moving van.

36:08 I'm moving.

36:09 You called the moving truck.

36:10 Hey, the moving truck, you moved in, I'm going to use it to move back out.

36:16 Can I borrow your boxes?

36:18 Yeah, what's your, what's your movers number?

36:21 It's amazing.

36:22 But like, good luck to all the parties involved.

36:33 No shade, no shade, no shade.

36:40 James Harden in a clipper uniform, but please don't tell me don't, you can't, I can be

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38:38 No, especially with a coach like Ty.

38:41 Cause like Ty is Ty's a big no.

38:44 Yeah.

38:45 And Ty wants guys who actually, you know, want to show up and play.

38:48 And Ty is not, he is not beneath him to put you on blast.

38:53 Respectfully, no shame at the fact that you came to training camp 17 pounds over your

39:01 overweight from your last stop.

39:02 But you know what?

39:03 No shame.

39:04 No shame.

39:05 Yeah.

39:06 Yeah.

39:07 That's your boy.

39:08 Moving to the final, the final chapter of this episode.

39:12 Steph Curry, you've heard of him.

39:15 Four time NBA champ.

39:17 Just beat the Celtics in 2022.

39:19 He is underrated because that's the name of his film.

39:23 Coming out Friday, I had a chance to talk to him actually on Monday.

39:27 I was in New York city for a junket and it was very, I will say, I know that you guys

39:32 are probably Steph haters, not you guys, the listeners, but the film was very inspiring.

39:38 It's basically about his time at Davidson and really honed in on the underrated aspect

39:43 of him being physically small, playing at a small college and obviously them making

39:48 that NCAA tournament run and really putting Davidson on the map.

39:52 And of course, Steph would go on to do better things in the NBA, but I thought it was a

39:56 pretty good film.

39:57 So I just wanted to one brag about the fact that I talked to him.

40:03 No, but also point out that it was his story really is inspiring when you break it down

40:08 and it's like, Oh wow, there's still much more to be written.

40:11 But of course I asked him about like Boston being related to his NBA legacy because that's

40:16 something that we very much will think about when we look, eventually look back on the

40:21 career that Steph has had so far.

40:23 So it was interesting.

40:24 20.

40:25 Yeah.

40:26 Do you play spades?

40:27 No, I don't know how to play actually, which is unfortunate.

40:30 Why?

40:31 That is unfortunate because what you did was basically you laid down like an ace of clubs

40:35 and you're feeling good about winning a hand.

40:38 I'm hitting you with the two of spades because not only did I talk to Steph already about

40:44 the movie, I too saw a preview of it when it was at the film festival out in Utah and

40:49 I wrote about that.

40:50 So you, that was a good hand you played.

40:53 I didn't even read the article.

40:56 Dang.

40:57 Gary, is the spade analogy, that's accurate, isn't it Gary?

41:01 Come on.

41:02 That rounds.

41:03 The spade, that's an accurate analogy.

41:06 She came with the ace of clubs.

41:07 I hit her with the two of spades.

41:08 Yeah.

41:09 I thought I was cool for like 30 seconds.

41:12 You were cool for 30 seconds.

41:13 Did I hit you with that deuce of spades girl?

41:15 Listen, you're right.

41:16 But one is right though about the movie.

41:18 It is a good movie.

41:19 And I would encourage people to see it because it is inspirational.

41:23 Steph is, I mean, this is the thing about Steph.

41:26 The more I talk to him, he's that dude that you love to hate because that doesn't really

41:32 seem anything bad with him.

41:34 I mean, he's a great baller.

41:37 He's redefined the game in ways no one else has done or ever will do.

41:40 He's got a lovely wife, beautiful family.

41:42 A great golfer.

41:44 And he's doing his holes in ones.

41:47 You know, I think the shot that he hit to win it was an, I can't remember.

41:52 It's the ACC but not the Atlantic Coast Conference.

41:55 Basically, the shot that he hit to win it.

41:57 The American Century Championship.

41:58 Thank you.

41:59 The shot that he hit to win it.

42:00 Long wish I was people.

42:01 The ACC.

42:02 Yeah, he won the Atlantic Coast Conference.

42:03 I said it's ACC but not the Atlantic Coast Conference.

42:04 He couldn't even play in the ACC when he was a player.

42:05 He couldn't even play in the tournament.

42:06 That's true.

42:07 But the shot that he hit to win the tournament was basically like a deep three in basketball.

42:17 It was that type of golf shot.

42:19 So he's just so freaking like flawless in so many aspects of his life that you're just

42:25 like, God, I can't stand you.

42:26 It ain't right.

42:27 And love you at the same time.

42:30 Much respect for Steph.

42:31 Absolutely.

42:32 And even if you are a diehard Celtics fan, you have to respect Steph.

42:37 You have to respect the game.

42:38 Even if you don't like his team, even if you don't like his teammates, you've got to respect

42:42 the man and what he does on the court.

42:44 And to be candid with what he does and what he doesn't do off the court.

42:47 That's true.

42:48 So maybe props to Steph Curry.

42:49 Wait, but if I added that I talked to Ryan Coogler, how would you feel?

42:53 Okay, then you get that.

42:54 I'll let you get that one.

42:55 No, the only reason I bring that up though.

42:56 We got to teach Pony how to play spades.

43:00 I do because I want to play and win and another black card because it's...

43:05 I just don't want to be your partner when you first learn how to play.

43:08 Yeah, it's okay.

43:09 I don't blame you.

43:10 I know how competitive spades are.

43:11 You know what I'm saying, Gary?

43:12 No, I know what you're saying.

43:13 It's okay.

43:14 Let's just throw me under the bus here.

43:17 We're friends, but spades is different.

43:20 It's so different.

43:21 Friendship, what?

43:22 I don't know.

43:23 Bragging rights, money, usually a lot of things are on the line.

43:26 I'm not trying to get you...

43:27 For sure.

43:28 Yeah.

43:29 For sure.

43:30 We're not doing that.

43:31 For sure.

43:32 Yeah, but all that to say, we're ending the episode on a...

43:33 Talking about a Warriors player.

43:34 What do I got?

43:35 Anything Celtics related to close out?

43:39 I was able to watch the part two of the Will Chamberlain.

43:45 It's on Showtime now, so you can watch parts, but we saw the...

43:50 On last Thursday in Vegas, saw the premiere of the part two.

43:54 Gary said, "I'm not the only one with an exclusive."

43:58 No.

43:59 Kevin Garnett was there, Glenn "Big Baby" Davis, Tracy McGrady.

44:06 So it was good to see.

44:11 For those who only know Will with the records, and I know a lot...

44:16 This new generation doesn't know a lot about Will, just knows he set every damn record,

44:21 and everybody's trying to break all of his records.

44:24 It's a very good...

44:25 It's worth the three hours.

44:27 I think it's three parts, about an hour each.

44:30 Just learning about the man, especially for an African-American community, what he was

44:36 able to do, and how he was the first seven-footer, really comfortable in his own skin.

44:42 He was Shaq before Shaq, in terms of trends, styles, all of the above.

44:49 So fascinating story, fascinating man.

44:53 Unfortunately, he died before Will...

44:55 Died in '99, before social media took off, before he could really...

44:59 He got his flowers, but before he could really get his flowers like Bill Russell did.

45:04 Bill Russell obviously died last year.

45:14 It's...

45:15 How do I put this?

45:20 Bill was able to get his flowers, show the appreciation from the current players, and

45:24 Will didn't really as much get his love from the current generation, because if he had

45:30 lived longer, he would have definitely gotten his flowers.

45:34 I think that it's...

45:36 So it's worth watching.

45:39 Kevin Garnett helped produce it, and he's in it, and talking about his influence, being

45:46 influenced by Will Chamberlain.

45:48 So it is good to see KG do things like that, get into the film industry now, and touch

45:57 people with some of the stories, not only of himself, but of others.

46:03 It's good to see KG.

46:04 We always ask KG, "What you gonna do when it's all over, and you're finished playing?"

46:09 He's putting that same passion that he had on the court into the film industry, and doing

46:14 stuff with Showtime, and obviously the podcast with our man Paul Pierce.

46:18 That is...

46:19 Look, love it.

46:21 The stories that they drop in that?

46:24 What?

46:25 So yeah, that was a good experience to check that out.

46:32 And so yeah, definitely if folks wanna check that out, learn more about Will, 'cause I

46:38 think that we know him as a name, and you see the pictures, and you see the...

46:44 Maybe some faint highlights or whatever, and you think, "Oh, he lost all those championships

46:48 to Russell," but much...

46:51 Or you unfortunately think of the number 20,000, and you think of Will Chamberlain.

46:57 What you talking about, Gary?

47:00 I'll let y'all figure out what that means, but...

47:03 Why you gotta bring that number up?

47:04 Is that part of your hood research?

47:05 No, that's...

47:06 Is that part of...

47:07 No, no.

47:08 It's a lot more to Will, and things I learned, him being a real champion for women's sports

47:17 in the 1970s, where...

47:20 And I knew that he was kinda into volleyball and that type of thing, but after he retired,

47:26 he became a real champion for a lot of great female athletes that we've heard about, and

47:33 so worth watching.

47:37 So if you are a subscriber of this podcast, here are some suggestions of things to watch,

47:45 but make sure you continue to watch us as well.

47:48 That's a wrap on this week's episode.

47:50 Y'all look so confused with my setup.

47:52 It's okay.

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