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In the recent episode of the Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman Podcast featuring Gary Tanguay, Jeff and Gary discuss Boston hiring former coach and analyst Jeff Van Gundy into a leadership role, reflecting on Brad Stevens as a GM, and other news around the NBA.  0:00 Teaser 0:30 Intro 2:10 Celtics reportedly hire Jeff Van Gundy as senior consultant 6:24 What are the Celtics expectations this year? 9:12 FanDuel Sportsbook 9:55 Reflecting on Brad Stevens going from coach to GM 15:41 If Celtics win a title, how does that change Stevens' legacy? 18:37 Victor Wembanyama returns to action 20:34 What's happening with James Harden, Daryl Morey and the Philadelphia 76ers? 22:33 Outro  This episode of the Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman Podcast is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. NEW customers can bet $5 and get $200 in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED. Now is the best time to join FanDuel! The app is easy to use and you can be on everything from spreads to player props and more! So, visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season with an offer you won’t wanna miss.  21+ and present in MA. Hope is here. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234.  If a comprehensive solution is what you need from your supplement routine, then try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Go to https://drinkAG1.com/GARDEN  ODDS-R! Ever wished you could navigate the betting field with the confidence of a pro? Enter OddsR. They're not a sportsbook, but they're the sports betting advisor you've always needed. It's like having a playbook for smarter bets right in your pocket. Elevate your game day and join the smart betting revolution! Go get it at https://oddsr.com/celtics  Visit https://factormeals.com/NEWSFEED50 to get 50% off your first box! Factor is America’s #1 Ready-To-Eat Meal Kit, can help you fuel up fast with ready-to-eat meals delivered straight to your door.

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00:00 To me, Kissel and Lee are more important.

00:02 They're more important than Van Gundy.

00:04 Van Gundy's gonna get the headlines

00:05 'cause he's Jeff Van Gundy,

00:07 and he's back semi in coaching right now.

00:10 But ultimately, those other guys are the ones

00:12 that are dealing with the players every single day.

00:14 And I think it's, again,

00:17 you need a strong locker room here.

00:19 As much as anything,

00:21 I don't think it was fractured last year.

00:23 I just don't think they were as together

00:25 as they probably could have been,

00:26 because again, you had certain guys

00:27 that weren't all in on the hire of Joe Mozilla.

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00:39 - Okay, welcome, everybody.

00:40 We're gonna do the same thing we did last week,

00:42 because these two guys are both very busy.

00:44 We're doing Jeff Goodman on one Zoom and pod,

00:47 and then we got Bob later in the week,

00:49 because quite frankly, they're both in demand,

00:51 and I can't get 'em in the room at the same time.

00:53 Of course, we could start-- - I missed Bob,

00:54 but I missed Bob already.

00:55 - I understand.

00:56 I mean, I like the energy between the two of you,

00:58 but I mean, I'd rather do this than lose one of you.

01:02 Of course, we could start a rumor

01:03 that there's a feud going on between Goodman and Ryan.

01:05 Let's see how that would go.

01:07 - You know, hey, the only way you can get Bob,

01:09 that I've gotten Bob upset, all right,

01:11 in our years of doing this podcast,

01:13 is when I challenge him,

01:15 when he says how many college arenas he's been to,

01:18 and he counts a college arena that he's been to

01:22 if it's for like an NCAA tournament game

01:26 or something different, instead of an actual college game.

01:29 If you really wanna get under his skin,

01:32 tell him his actual official tally of college arenas

01:35 that he's been to is flawed.

01:38 - It's inaccurate.

01:39 It's either that or that winning time is very good

01:41 and he has no taste.

01:42 - Oh, that'll get him upset.

01:43 - That'll get him going too.

01:45 Anyways, the podcast is Zoom with Jeff Goodman.

01:47 Bob's gonna join us later in the week.

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02:03 Okay, so here we go.

02:04 We're gonna start with the Celtics,

02:05 and this dropped yesterday

02:08 at the time that we're recording this,

02:10 and Jeff Van Gundy is going to be,

02:12 now, I've lost track.

02:15 He had stopped doing ESPN, right?

02:17 - They fired him.

02:18 They let him go.

02:19 - They let him go.

02:20 - Let him go, which was shocking.

02:21 - Well, he was part of the cutoffs.

02:23 He was the cutoffs.

02:24 - Yeah, he was one of the cuts,

02:25 and I'm sure he made a good amount of money,

02:28 but he was really good on TV.

02:31 He was entertaining,

02:32 and after he got cut, Gary,

02:36 I had heard several college coaches actually asked me,

02:41 like Duke had an opening

02:43 because Emile Jefferson went to the Celtics from Duke.

02:47 They had an opening,

02:48 and I know Van Gundy inquired

02:50 about being on Duke,

02:52 John Shire's staff at Duke.

02:53 He was looking for something to do,

02:56 looking for a job.

02:58 It's funny because I think a few years ago,

03:01 there was a thought that he was gonna be able

03:02 to get another NBA head coaching job,

03:04 and it never materialized,

03:07 and it's almost like maybe that window has passed him by

03:10 of getting another one.

03:12 I thought he was gonna be able to get another one,

03:14 and now it's almost like,

03:16 all right, how does he reinvent himself?

03:19 Well, now he's gonna be a special advisor with the Celtics,

03:22 so I think it's a great move by Boston.

03:25 I think it's a great move for him.

03:27 I think it's a great move for the young coaching staff.

03:29 I thought Sam Cassell was gonna be that advisor,

03:32 but there's strength in numbers, obviously,

03:35 and also, and this is the way I think,

03:38 if things don't work out for Joe,

03:41 the current Celtic head coach,

03:43 Van Gundy could step right in.

03:45 - Yeah, I just don't know exactly

03:47 what Van Gundy's role's gonna look like.

03:49 My guess is it's more of a macro-type role,

03:52 where obviously, Cassell is gonna be there every day,

03:54 every practice.

03:56 Same thing with Charles Lee,

03:57 who I think would be potentially the next head coach,

04:01 to be honest.

04:01 I think Charles Lee, coming over from the Bucs,

04:03 would be the next head coach

04:05 if something were to happen to Joe Mizzoula

04:07 in the middle of the season,

04:08 and they're not playing well.

04:10 But what Van Gundy can do is, again,

04:14 he can be watching film from home,

04:16 he can be watching the games,

04:17 he can come in for three or four days here,

04:20 three or four days there,

04:21 join him on a road trip, whatever.

04:24 He's got time on his hands, and he wants to do it.

04:28 So I think that that's part of the appeal right now

04:31 for Jeff Van Gundy, is to be involved,

04:35 to be back in it in some capacity,

04:37 but not there every single day,

04:41 and kinda see how that goes,

04:42 and give, again, give Mizzoula and this staff

04:45 another set of eyes.

04:47 Will it work?

04:49 Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't it?

04:50 Again, why wouldn't it?

04:51 If you're Joe Mizzoula, you know,

04:53 you want all the help you can get from experienced guys.

04:56 You now have an experienced coaching staff,

04:58 again, with Cassell and Charles Lee.

05:01 Last year, they were young, and they weren't his guys.

05:04 So now they're kinda,

05:05 I don't know if they're his guys, so to speak,

05:07 because I don't know if he's got any great relationship

05:10 with Cassell or Charles Lee, but he brought 'em in.

05:13 They came in knowing what the deal was,

05:15 where a year ago, all those guys were signed up,

05:18 obviously, for EMA.

05:20 So, you know, yeah, I think there's no reason

05:25 it shouldn't work with Jeff Van Gundy.

05:27 You know, again, I don't think he's gonna be there

05:29 every practice, every day.

05:31 So I think he'll give his thoughts,

05:34 and it will be up to Mizzoula to either utilize those,

05:38 or say, you know what, I'm gonna do my own thing.

05:40 Yeah, I mean, should Mizzoula feel threatened by any of,

05:42 by Van Gundy, by Cassell, by these other guys at all,

05:45 or I guess as long as he's Tatum's guy, that's fine.

05:48 - Well, no, as long as he wins games, he's fine.

05:50 - Wow, okay, wins games, he's fine.

05:51 - You can be Tatum's guy all you want.

05:52 If you're 20 and 20 to start the season,

05:56 you're gonna be gone, let's face it.

05:57 Like, you can't, and again, as much as it is,

06:02 you can't be 20 and 20 to start the season,

06:05 and then you can't get knocked out, honestly,

06:07 in the first couple rounds and playoffs.

06:08 - Well, no, I mean, it's gotta be

06:10 an Eastern Conference final, neck and neck,

06:13 down to the wire, or at least an Eastern,

06:15 or a finals appearance.

06:16 I mean, if they even go into the Eastern Conference final

06:19 and they get blown out, that would not be adequate.

06:21 - Yeah, I would think he'd be done.

06:23 You know, I guess-- - This team's loaded.

06:24 - There's no problems to this.

06:25 - I mean, this team, you know how I feel about this team.

06:27 I mean-- - Yeah, they should

06:30 have a chance to win it all.

06:31 - Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

06:33 - They should be playing in the NBA finals,

06:36 or at least, you know, in game seven with Milwaukee, right?

06:39 Like, if you lose to Milwaukee in game seven,

06:43 I don't think anybody's gonna fault Joe Mazzulla

06:45 for getting that far in the Eastern Conference finals.

06:48 But you can't, again, you can't start out awful,

06:52 or mediocre, in the regular season,

06:55 and then you can't get knocked out early in the playoffs,

06:57 or else, yeah, that's probably, it's probably, you know,

07:00 early exit for Joe Mazzulla

07:04 and his coaching career in Boston.

07:05 - I love Van Gundy as an analyst.

07:07 I also loved him as a coach.

07:08 I mean, it didn't work out really in Houston,

07:11 if memory serves me correct.

07:12 He was successful with the Knicks.

07:14 What was the Knicks, didn't he bite somebody's leg?

07:17 Was that it?

07:18 In a fight on the floor? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:19 Part of a fight, yeah, part of the fight.

07:21 - What is your personal relationship with Van Gundy,

07:23 and what do you think of him?

07:25 - I don't know him well at all.

07:26 - Did you work with him a little bit?

07:28 - No, no, never worked with Van Gundy,

07:30 never did games with Van Gundy.

07:31 - Oh, okay.

07:32 - But I like him.

07:34 I mean, I like him, I think he's entertaining.

07:37 Again, he'll say how he feels,

07:40 which is what I think Joe Mizzoula needs.

07:43 And I don't think he's gonna be the only one.

07:45 Again, I think Cassell and Charles Lee

07:46 are two older guys who have been doing this,

07:49 who hopefully aren't gonna be yes men,

07:52 'cause that's not what Joe Mizzoula needs right now.

07:54 - No, it does not.

07:55 - He needs, and he needs these guys to come in.

07:58 Again, to me, Cassell and Lee are more important.

08:02 They're more important than Van Gundy.

08:03 Van Gundy's gonna get the headlines

08:05 'cause he's Jeff Van Gundy,

08:06 and he's back semi in coaching right now.

08:09 But ultimately, those other guys are the ones

08:11 that are dealing with the players every single day.

08:14 And I think it's, again,

08:16 you need a strong locker room here.

08:19 As much as anything,

08:20 I don't think it was fractured last year.

08:22 I just don't think they were as together

08:24 as they probably could have been,

08:25 because again, you had certain guys

08:27 that weren't all in on the hire of Joe Mizzoula.

08:30 - That's correct.

08:31 Yeah, and we know what that situation is,

08:34 and that situation is now gone.

08:36 I wanna talk about-- - Yeah, they got rid

08:37 of the guys, again, we've talked about it,

08:39 they got rid of the guys that probably

08:40 were the most difficult for Mizzoula to coach.

08:44 Obviously, Grant Williams wasn't a Mizzoula fan

08:47 'cause he wasn't playing football a lot.

08:48 Marcus wanted Emei, we knew that publicly,

08:52 he kinda knew that.

08:53 And then Brogdon, I think,

08:55 I don't think a lot of people kinda knew,

08:57 'cause Malcolm doesn't say a ton,

09:00 but you could kinda see it

09:01 even after they got knocked out of the playoffs last year.

09:05 He was pretty vocal, I think,

09:07 and then when they tried to trade him,

09:09 obviously, that was kinda the final straw.

09:11 - Right.

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09:51 But I do wanna talk about Brad Stevens a little bit,

09:57 'cause I was thinking about this this morning.

10:00 How, I reflected a little bit, Jeff.

10:05 Give a little meditation, reflecting.

10:07 And I said, I remember when Brad was hired as the GM.

10:12 And some of the thoughts that we threw out,

10:15 he moves to the front office because they owe him money.

10:17 He feels he can't relate to the players

10:19 on a social situation.

10:20 His X's and O's were fine,

10:22 but he never tried to insert himself

10:25 into the players' lives,

10:27 which he may obviously did very well,

10:29 and you have to do as an NBA coach,

10:31 and Brad never felt comfortable with that.

10:32 He moves to the front office.

10:34 I'm thinking in a year or two, he's back in college.

10:36 This was a money save.

10:37 I'm really pleasantly surprised

10:42 how impactful this guy has been,

10:44 because we've seen it.

10:46 It's rare that you go,

10:48 okay, it's rare you go from college to the NBA

10:50 and be successful.

10:51 And overall, you have to say he was successful, I think.

10:54 - Sure, sure.

10:55 - As a coach, I mean, he was successful.

10:57 - Yeah, early in his career, he maximized their talent

11:01 and made them relevant enough, honestly,

11:05 so they could get to the point they are now, in a way.

11:08 - Right, so there's that.

11:10 Then he goes in as a GM,

11:11 and generally, for a coach to become a GM

11:15 and make the moves he's made,

11:16 I'm really pleasantly surprised.

11:19 You?

11:20 - Yeah, I'm very surprised.

11:22 I mean, again, I didn't know how long it would be.

11:26 I thought it might be a year or two,

11:28 but again, here's the deal with Brad.

11:30 I think part of the reason he loves us, too,

11:32 is 'cause he gets to watch his kids grow up.

11:34 You know? - Right.

11:35 - And when you're a coach, you're in it every day, right?

11:38 I mean, somebody's pulling at you.

11:40 Now, it's not like it was in college,

11:43 where he's on the phone recruiting all the time, right?

11:46 He would tell me, when he got to the NBA,

11:49 he'd be like, "Yeah, I'm driving home from practice,

11:50 "and I gotta look for people to call.

11:53 "Nobody's calling me."

11:54 But they're on the road all the time.

11:56 That's the difference.

11:58 You know, these road trips,

11:59 you're not seeing your family for a week at a time,

12:03 maybe even longer.

12:05 You know, you're gone a lot.

12:07 You're gone a lot during the season,

12:09 because of the length of the season,

12:11 as compared to the college season.

12:13 But, you know, again, this gives him the opportunity

12:17 to pick and choose when he wants to go out

12:19 and evaluate players.

12:21 You know, if he needs to see a certain player at Kentucky,

12:23 well, he doesn't have to go for a certain game.

12:26 He can pretty much make sure he's around

12:29 for anything big that happens with his son or his daughter.

12:32 And his son's going off to college next year at Notre Dame.

12:35 Daughter's a little bit younger.

12:37 So I think that has provided him

12:39 with a little bit more time with his family,

12:41 which is very, very important to him.

12:43 And I give him credit.

12:44 Like, the one thing I always worried about, Gary,

12:47 was like, is Brad Stevens too nice to be a GM?

12:50 Is he too nice to trade away Marcus Smart

12:52 at the end of the day?

12:53 Or, you know, somebody, Grant Williams, whoever it is.

12:58 But I think, you know, there's the business side

13:00 for Brad Stevens, and there's the human side

13:02 for Brad Stevens.

13:03 And the business side, you know, he's got both.

13:07 I mean, I was told, listen, when he made the trade,

13:11 the most recent trade, yeah, he felt,

13:13 obviously he felt bad, you know, trading those guys away.

13:18 But again, not bad enough that he didn't make the deal

13:22 that he thought would help the Celtics.

13:23 So I think he's done a really good job.

13:25 I don't know when he gets back to being a coach.

13:28 I think he will at some point in his career.

13:31 - Yeah, when everybody's out of the house.

13:34 - Yeah, I think so too.

13:35 I could see that.

13:36 The other thing about Brad is like,

13:38 he's so about everybody else.

13:40 Like, I asked him, I don't know if I told you this,

13:42 but I asked him, I want to do a story on him

13:46 about the transition and what it's like,

13:48 and some of the things we're talking about now.

13:50 And he responded with, hey, Jeff, I'm boring.

13:53 You don't want to do a story on me.

13:55 - Right, right, right, right.

13:56 - You know, and he genuinely,

13:58 like the only way I'm going to be able to do that story

14:00 is talking to everybody around Brad Stevens,

14:02 'cause he does not want to talk about himself.

14:04 He never has been comfortable really talking about himself.

14:07 He's fine talking about the players,

14:10 all the other people in his life,

14:11 but just, yeah, deflects the attention for good or bad.

14:16 - Well, he's smart because generally front office people,

14:19 they don't want to bring attention to themselves.

14:23 It's about the players, you know, it's about the players.

14:26 - Daryl Morey, Daryl Morey could be the exception.

14:28 - He is the exception to the rule.

14:30 The other one I was going to say

14:30 was Jerry Jones of the Cowboys, you know,

14:32 where we're kind of like, you know,

14:36 like I got to be honest with you,

14:37 I don't even know what Sam Presti looks like.

14:39 You know what I mean?

14:40 - Yeah, he looks like, here's who he looks like.

14:43 You ever see the show Rent?

14:45 - Yeah.

14:47 - Yeah, he looks like Mark from Rent, one of the--

14:49 - That kid with the glasses?

14:50 - Yes.

14:51 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:52 So, but my point is great front office people

14:56 don't want the attention.

14:59 That's generally the way it goes.

15:00 It's like, it's not about me, it's about the team,

15:03 you know, and it's about the players.

15:04 So, good job by Brad so far.

15:06 I was told by a former coach and a member of the media

15:10 that when he took the job as the Celtics,

15:12 this person said to me, they go, he said,

15:14 "Brad Stevens is tougher on players than you think."

15:17 He goes, "He can separate the work

15:20 "from the personal relationship.

15:22 "He's in a practice situation when the doors are closed.

15:27 "He will not hesitate to be a tough coach.

15:29 "He will not hesitate to sit people down."

15:31 And we've seen it, you know?

15:33 We've seen what he's been able to do.

15:35 I mean, I think it's, you know, I'm prone to hyperbole,

15:40 but I mean, if they pull off a championship here,

15:43 I mean, I can't think, I mean, I'm just thinking of like,

15:46 I was just thinking this morning,

15:47 like guys who have gone from coaching to front office

15:51 and had that success.

15:54 - I mean, Pat Riley's had pretty good success, right?

15:57 - Pat Riley, I was thinking in all sports,

15:58 Pat Riley's the only, I mean, Jerry West.

16:01 - Yeah. - Jerry West, maybe.

16:03 You know, but I guess I could go Dallas Green.

16:08 Didn't he win a World Series?

16:10 - You know who's done a good job?

16:11 John Lynch has done a good job.

16:13 - But he was never a coach.

16:14 - Oh, he was never a coach, player.

16:15 - And that's what I'm saying,

16:16 is like going from a coach to the front office

16:18 is usually really hard.

16:19 - It is.

16:20 - Now, Brad, I think Brad has used it to his advantage

16:23 because again, the knowledge that he gained.

16:25 - Right. - And you think

16:26 it would be good, you think it would be a major advantage,

16:29 again, because you've coached against all these players.

16:32 It's different.

16:33 You know, you're down there in the trenches,

16:35 plus you're hearing other players talk about those players.

16:37 So you're hearing, honestly, a lot of information

16:41 that some GMs never hear about like what the character,

16:44 the intangible stories, things of that nature.

16:47 So I think Brad has used it to his advantage.

16:51 - Yeah, I think so too.

16:51 You know, I also think about like Belichick,

16:53 to me, who's arguably the greatest football coach

16:56 of all time, I think he's one of the greatest coaches

16:57 of all time, but you know, his front office work

17:00 will always be questioned.

17:01 - Right. - You know, it's very,

17:02 and obviously it's not at the same time,

17:05 but you know, Riley's probably the guy.

17:08 Robert, Riley is probably the standard in all this.

17:10 - I think it's easier to,

17:12 I think it's a little easier to do in NBA than--

17:16 - Oh, sure, of course it is.

17:18 - You have fewer players, you know, you have fewer players.

17:21 And again, if you do that, you gotta rely

17:24 on your scouting department as well.

17:26 I mean, again, if you're Bill Belichick,

17:29 you shouldn't be making a lot of these decisions

17:31 because you have-- - Yeah, but as we know,

17:33 as we know from our friend Michael Holley's book,

17:35 sometimes he's overruled his scouting department,

17:37 it's come back to haunt him.

17:39 The other thing too is you have to let go

17:42 of the coaching range, which he has done.

17:44 It seems that he has let Joe, you know,

17:46 learn, make mistakes.

17:48 I mean, that's the thing, like I'll use Belichick

17:50 as an example, I can't imagine being the coach

17:53 and Belichick being the GM.

17:55 I mean, I just-- - No, it would be awful.

17:56 - It would be terrible.

17:57 I mean, just the, just the persona of Bill,

18:01 and I'm not even saying Bill would be bad at it.

18:04 It's just the persona of Belichick,

18:06 like being up in the booth, looking down at you coaching,

18:08 you know, Brad has that ability

18:10 to not put that kind of pressure on Joe.

18:13 Yeah, he's very understated, you know,

18:15 for again, for better and worse, or worse,

18:17 because as a coach, we wanted him

18:19 to be more of an MF-er, right?

18:22 Well, as a GM, he's good, because again,

18:25 he'll be there for Missoula when he needs him,

18:27 but he's not gonna be there all the time,

18:30 sitting in practice, watching every practice.

18:32 - No, you probably learned from Danny,

18:33 Ainge was really good at that, actually.

18:35 - He's been great. - Ainge was really good

18:36 at that.

18:37 Okay, moving on.

18:38 Wabinyama, early returns, what do you think on the big guy?

18:41 (laughing)

18:42 - I mean, ridiculous.

18:43 Some of the things he's doing are just absolutely ridiculous,

18:47 whether it's, you know, taking the ball off the glass,

18:49 defensively, taking it all the way up the court,

18:52 and then driving the basket.

18:53 He looks, I mean, honestly, he moves like a guard.

18:57 - Right. - And then, you know,

18:59 the play that Trey Jones threw in the ball

19:01 that he dunked right over 6'10" Thomas Bryant,

19:06 and Thomas Bryant, the look on his face after,

19:10 like, it was like, it would have been like,

19:14 you or me dunking on like a four-year-old kid.

19:17 That's kind of the look on the face of Thomas Bryant,

19:20 was like, what the hell just happened there?

19:23 And Thomas Bryant, again, is 6'10", 250 pounds.

19:27 (laughing)

19:29 This dude, what he can do, we've never seen before.

19:32 I feel comfortable saying that now.

19:34 We've never seen this before in the NBA, obviously,

19:37 with somebody 7'3" who can move and do the--

19:41 - Well, Durant's the only one, right?

19:42 I mean-- - Yeah, and Kevin's 7'.

19:45 But this kid, what he can do going up for the ball,

19:49 and defensively, how he can, honestly,

19:52 how he can close out on guys

19:54 shooting the ball from the perimeter, it's insane.

19:57 It's absolutely insane.

19:59 So I think he's gonna be as good as advertised.

20:02 Again, the key for me, just like it is for Chad Holmgren,

20:05 same thing, just staying healthy.

20:07 - Yeah, this kid's more,

20:09 I think he's more prepared to stay healthy,

20:12 if that makes sense.

20:13 I think he's always had somebody there with him

20:16 worrying about stretching and things of that nature.

20:21 I just, I think at a younger age,

20:23 he's been told what to do in order to give him

20:29 the best opportunity to stay healthy

20:31 for that game and long-term.

20:34 - Cool.

20:34 All right, Jeff, I know this is something

20:36 we never wanna talk about 'cause we're both sick of it,

20:38 but just in the effort of pleasing the audience,

20:40 30 seconds on "Philadelphia" and the drama with Harden

20:43 and what's going on with Maury and all that stuff.

20:47 - I mean, it's just incredible to me

20:48 how vocal Harden continues to be, calling out Maury.

20:53 You know, liar this, liar that.

20:55 And my take is, first of all,

20:57 you knew what you signed up for, okay?

21:00 You knew.

21:01 You've been with Daryl Maury for a long time now.

21:03 - Right. - You're with him in Houston.

21:05 Like, again, and I'm not the biggest,

21:08 I'm not a part of the Daryl Maury fan club at all, okay?

21:11 At all.

21:12 I don't know where I wanna side with this one.

21:15 I think I wanna side with neither

21:16 because James Harden, we've seen him in Houston.

21:19 And what did he do?

21:20 He quit.

21:21 He quit to be traded.

21:22 What's he basically gonna do here?

21:24 He's gonna quit to be traded.

21:26 Like, that's awful.

21:27 And oh, by the way, you opted into a deal,

21:30 a final year of 35 million.

21:32 - I know. - Nobody feels sorry for you.

21:34 Nobody feels sorry for you, James Harden.

21:36 - No, they do not.

21:37 - So like, I don't know.

21:39 I honestly, I wish that both of 'em,

21:43 we sent 'em both to a deserted island together.

21:46 - Yeah, you both-- - I do.

21:47 I think they should both deal with one another

21:49 and not affect anybody else

21:51 and send 'em to a damn deserted island

21:53 and let them deal with each other for the next year

21:55 and then you can come off.

21:56 - You know, I've never been a Philadelphia Sixer fan at all.

21:59 As a matter of fact, I have hated him

22:01 as much as the Yankees or the Lakers,

22:03 but I do feel bad for the Sixers

22:05 because they should be in the hunt.

22:07 - You feel bad for Joel.

22:09 That's who you feel bad for. - Oh, totally.

22:10 I mean, I love the kid.

22:11 I love the kid.

22:12 I think he should be the Sixers, the Bucs, and the Celtics.

22:16 That's what it should be.

22:17 With a player like Joel Embiid,

22:18 that's what we should be seeing

22:19 and we don't because of this crap show.

22:22 - And now the bottom line is like,

22:24 what are you gonna get for--

22:25 - Oh, nothing, you're screwed.

22:26 - What are you gonna get?

22:27 You're gonna get maybe 50 cents on the dollar

22:30 if you're lucky.

22:31 - Yeah, if you're lucky, who wants it?

22:33 Jeffrey, always a pleasure, my friend.

22:34 I know you're very busy.

22:36 We will talk to Bob later in the week.

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