The Jeremy Kyle Show 13th December 2017
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00:10On today's show, you don't like that, do you? You're lying, cheating, law-breaking, low-life. That's your problem, isn't it?
00:20Your girlfriend you're talking to like that.
00:22You, you low-life liar.
00:24Who's a low-life liar?
00:25You.
00:26What a lie in that time.
00:27You can do something special.
00:30Don't stand there cocky.
00:36I've got a confession to make to Emma about what I've done.
00:46You must be in love with her.
00:47Why is it so important to you to prove to the world that this Ian guy is leading a double life?
00:53Why?
00:55You're so mad!
00:56Yes, to be later on, mate.
00:57Let's get down!
00:58Oi!
00:58Oi!
00:59Oi!
01:01Hello, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:21Right my first guest today Lisa is here to find out if her fiance Hayden has cheated check this more than the nine times
01:27She already knows about
01:30Why would you wait she says today is make or break it if she finds out that he has gone into double figures
01:37Nine's good tens not today's D-day Lisa's on the Jeremy car show that way
01:42Really upset very difficult get all that
01:54How are you um, I'm a bit scared scared of what the truth
01:59Yeah, I just want all this to be over. I know exactly why you won't come out there
02:03You won't come out there because you know that most people would listen to that opening line and go
02:07Has he cheated more than the nine times already? Can I ask you a question?
02:12Why'd you stay with him least because I love him he forced you to do a private DNA on you to all this kids
02:19Implying that you imply nice it. Yeah, no prime implying that you had cheated and that's just a mask for what he's got up to
02:28He is the father of those two. That's fine. We're doing a DNA on the youngest while we're doing that is he accusing you of cheating again
02:33Um, yeah, he's not think that might be because he can't I don't know. I
02:38Don't know I bet everybody in your life tells you to leave him don't they yeah
02:42So you stick your head in the sand
02:44What's it like on a daily basis serious question, um, obviously when it's good. It is good
02:50But then he
02:51Yeah, just accusing all time. I'll see it's quite bad. Yeah, he accuses you the whole time. Yeah
02:58Why do you think that would be I don't know obviously that begins in G? What do you think that word is kill?
03:04Yeah, precisely. Yeah, and so you are that decent and that nice
03:07You've done a lie detector today to prove that you haven't cheated on a man who's definitely cheated nine times
03:13He's done one to say look I put my cards on the table. I've changed my life will give him the benefit the doubt
03:18I haven't done anything more I
03:20Have not broken the law again because he's been well behaving himself for 30 days isn't he which is brilliant in eight years
03:26I
03:28Know when you were growing up as a little girl did Prince Charming sleep with name of the women and break the law I
03:35Can't do this see
03:38for you today
03:40You either make a statement
03:43About how you imagine your relationship should go on or you carry on being a doormat, and I don't even want to upset you
03:49I don't know what I'm supposed to do in this situation because I know obviously he needs help himself
03:54But obviously with the paranoia and help control. Yeah, I think if he's paranoid guess what that is
04:01That's his punishment for doing what he did. That's the truth
04:07So you've done a lie detector
04:10Look me in the eyes get cheated on him obviously, but when we wasn't really properly together when I lived on my dad's
04:16But he knows that I was 16 years old. Yeah. Yeah, come on. You'll be absolutely fine. Do not worry about it
04:22I will look after you come on
04:36See is the thing old lover boy backstage is now angry because somebody's dared to actually tell him what he thinks don't like that
04:43Do you you're lying cheating law-breaking low life? That's your problem, isn't it?
04:53Lose his picture for a minute. I don't want to see his face. Can I tell you something? I can do this in two ways
04:58I can stand there and he can come out and you can keep the smoke screen up and you can let him walk all over you
05:04And you can go back to your horrible life that you admit you don't like because he doesn't trust you and you don't trust him
05:08Or you can get the truth babe and we'll help you face the truth. He might well have turned a corner, but you don't find out in life
05:15Unless you you ask the question. What's life like you told my team? He's controlling. What do you mean by that?
05:21Well, um
05:22You're not allowed to go out really are you?
05:24No, not really
05:27Doesn't he check your phone the whole time? Yeah
05:31Does he go out?
05:32Yeah, of course he does he says that you have a secret phone
05:36He thought I did yeah, I think he knows that I haven't
05:39How do your friends say people that love you what do they say?
05:42I haven't really got that many friends, but
05:43We wouldn't want you to have friends would he there's a blueprint of control
05:47You know you stay at home. You look after the kids. You're not allowed out. Don't wear makeup. Don't wear sexy clothes. You just stay right there
05:55I'm controlling you. I have to go out. Oh, do you? Yeah, and you know why people control other people to hide their own lies
06:00That's what usually happens. Okay? I know it's easy to say and hard to do when you've spent that much time with somebody
06:07But you get to a point where if you don't
06:09If you don't say what you feel
06:11Well, I know what's gonna happen. He's gonna come out. He's gonna walk all over you
06:14We're gonna do the test and you're gonna go home and in five years
06:17You'll think why the hell didn't I put my foot down
06:19Do you want the truth to go?
06:21Yeah, I don't think he would have done any more. Sorry? I don't think he would have done any more. I think obviously it was back then
06:29Obviously, it's been a few years now. Do you think I'm being harsh to him?
06:32Yeah, I think so a bit. Yeah
06:34Can I tell you something?
06:36Can I tell you something? You ain't seen nothing yet. Hayden's on the Jeremy car show
06:41Oh, he's not. I don't. He's not coming on. Come on. Why is he not coming on?
06:46Hayden doesn't want to come on
06:48Why is that Hayden? Why don't you want to come on because somebody's prepared to tell you the truth you liar
06:52I don't want to come on why because I don't want to come on now because you don't want to know the truth your girlfriend
06:57You're talking to like you you low-life liar
07:04You can do something special
07:06Why don't you come out and prove to your girlfriend that you haven't done any more than
07:09My girlfriend can come here and prove to me
07:11What? What? He's here right in front of me
07:13Here you go man. Don't stand there cocky
07:15Yeah
07:18There you are. That's your man. Somebody stood up to him. He doesn't like it
07:21He's cheating on
07:22Standing behind
07:23Standing behind your man
07:24Cheesed you on him more than for nine times
07:25No
07:25So you've turned the corner
07:27Yeah
07:27You don't break the law anymore
07:28I have not
07:29So what you say that way
07:30So what you're saying is the world's unfair
07:32And I want to grow up and live my life with my that's all I want to hear sit down let him tell you that come on
07:38Tell her well truthfully she knows what I want man obviously I just want all of this to come out
07:42What all of what help me out hey all of us no lies no nothing
07:46She was the one who told me in jail do you know I mean left it five years and then told me about another person she slept with
07:50Let's go back eight years right four years engaged um
07:54You think Lisa cheated on you when you've been in jail how many times you've been in jail twice
07:58What for?
07:59Burgery and uh driving
08:00So
08:02What do you expect people to think that's okay?
08:04But do you expect everyone does everyone serve a second chance do they?
08:08Well you had that and then you went to jail again
08:10So you're looking for a third time
08:11I got regaled
08:13Okay
08:13So you've cheated nine times tell me about that when did that happen because there seems to be some
08:18All over the space all over the space of time
08:20From when she had the first child before that between the first and the second what?
08:24From when she had the first child innit
08:26From no before before
08:28So before you gave birth so while she was pregnant
08:32Yeah
08:33When did you tell her?
08:34I told her when I was in prison
08:36Because she told me she didn't want to live a life as a lie
08:39So it's the birth of your baby
08:41No not the first one
08:43The second one I did
08:44You did um
08:46A private dna on the two eldest they are yours
08:49What why did you want a dna when it's you who can't keep it in your trousers?
08:51Because she told me once when I was younger that the baby weren't mine
08:54Did you?
08:54No I don't
08:55At the caravan
08:56Do you remember that?
08:57No I said to you I wish I never had a baby with you
09:00I keep telling you this
09:02Why do you um why do you control her so much?
09:04Why won't you let her wear you know makeup and skirts?
09:06Why do you check her phone?
09:07By your own admission you do that?
09:08Because she does the same thing as me man
09:10No no but you do that because you're guilty aren't you?
09:12Let's be honest come on man's a man come on you want to talk
09:14No no it's not guilty
09:14Why would I put my hands up and tell her when I'm in prison
09:17No no I'm not going to go you I'm saying
09:18If you she
09:19You had to wait till you were in prison didn't you?
09:20Why didn't you do it before?
09:21Because she didn't tell me when I was in jail mate
09:23She told me first and then I told her I told her first and then she come on
09:26Why are you trying to why are you trying to make it out?
09:29Just hear me out a second
09:30If you've messed up right
09:32If I've messed up I put my hands up right
09:33But one of the things that happens when you mess up is you feel guilt
09:37And that guilt would show itself in help me out here
09:40But why would I turn around and say right I've done all of this yeah
09:43And then for her to tell me at the end of all this yeah
09:45When she said like listen we're both getting adults now
09:48We've got three kids let's get along with our lives you know what I mean
09:51And then for her for me to tell her that I slept with the other nine people
09:54And her for not to tell me that she still slept with someone else
09:55Today I'll prove I've a changed man I've not cheated more than nine times
09:59But the big thing for you is will she fail?
10:01Look at her do you think that she's cheated?
10:02Tell me I could be Hayden I could be totally wrong
10:05Many times have been wrong tell me look at her she hasn't said much
10:08Maybe she's a liar I hope to god she ain't if she is
10:12Surely you'd have to forgive her you've cheated on her nine times
10:16But you couldn't could you?
10:18I probably would if it was
10:19Guess what I hope for I hope she's cheated on you ten times
10:22Because I think that's what you deserve
10:23Can I get the results?
10:24Scumbag
10:26What did she call me?
10:26I called you a scumbag
10:28That's what I called you
10:29There you go go on carry on with your show
10:33Oh brilliant
10:34Come on
10:35Can't take it can you Hayden?
10:36Can I get the results please?
10:39Can't take it can you?
10:40I'm taking the shit here right now
10:40There's not a little girl that sits in the corner going
10:42Hayden I won't go out I won't do anything
10:45Did I say that?
10:45You're such a good looking man
10:47And I'll be scared of you Hayden
10:48Yeah whatever
10:49Explain to me this Hayden right nine times and you said and I quote it was before
10:54the birth of the first baby
10:56I don't even need to read this he called me a scumbag
10:59Oh wonderful before the test just so you're aware
11:02Hayden stated that he was not sure how many people he'd kissed or had sexual contact with
11:07since the birth of his first child
11:09He admitted as it's true you had sexual intercourse with nine women and oral sex with two
11:15since the birth of your first child
11:19No all the way not before since written down
11:23Which contradicts exactly what you said before so it wasn't before the first baby it was since yeah
11:28It was before that's what the man said
11:30And no no since
11:31Can't read the questions out
11:32Yeah apart from what you've just admitted to
11:34Since Lisa gave birth to your first child have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else
11:41Your boyfriend said no why do you think your boyfriend said no
11:46I'm so surprised your boyfriend's a liar love
11:50No way man
11:51Nothing now
11:51No way
11:52Well the test wrong is it are you going to run after her
11:54Yeah I am
11:54I'll tell you what you run after her I'm going to a break back after this
11:59Come on Hayden nothing to say son
12:01You did it more didn't you
12:02You're pushing me I'm trying to hurt you here but you've lied
12:06You're getting all in my face and you're trying to do you know what I mean
12:08I'm nowhere near your face Hayden why don't you admit the truth
12:11What kind of Christmas do you call this?
12:25What kind of Christmas do you call this?
12:27What kind of Christmas present?
12:29Is there any chance of you spending Christmas together?
12:33Is there any chance of you spending Christmas together?
12:35Happy Christmas
12:36It's a mother
12:39Christmas
12:41I've got lords here
12:42It's supposed to be Christmas
12:43Go and Agan
12:47Go and Agan
12:50Happy Christmas
13:01Nothing to say Son
13:02You did it more didn't you
13:03Stop pushing me. Stop pushing me around.
13:05Stop pushing me around.
13:06Ha-ha-ha, scumbag.
13:08Mate, I'm trying to help you here, but you've lied.
13:11You're getting all in my face, and you're trying to...
13:12Do you know what I mean?
13:13I'm nowhere near your face, Hayden.
13:14Why don't you admit the truth?
13:16Was it before she gave birth or after?
13:19And it says here...
13:20I could not know.
13:21I've only ever slept with ten people in my whole life, mate.
13:23Ten?
13:23Ten people, including her.
13:25Come on, mate.
13:26It's not my fault.
13:27I would have put my hands up, man.
13:29I do not know what that's saying.
13:30I would truthfully say that, man.
13:32Honestly, I would.
13:32Tell the truth, Hayden, she's going to stay with you anyway,
13:34whether you've slept with 15, 20, 25 women.
13:36All I'm saying is, I'll tell you what I buy from you, OK?
13:39I buy, you want to turn the corner.
13:41Yeah, that is the one thing that we want to do.
13:42Then give me something I can trade here
13:45and stand up for the first time in your life
13:48and tell her absolutely everything.
13:50Come on, Hayden.
13:50You told her, mate.
13:51Mate, you know you're like...
13:52I don't mind you, mate.
13:56You slept with more than nine, didn't you?
13:57I haven't slept with more than nine, no.
13:59Why have you failed the test, then?
14:00Well, I don't know, mate.
14:01You tell me.
14:02So the test's wrong?
14:03No, the test is not wrong.
14:04It says here, nine women and two oral sex with two.
14:10You contradicted yourself the whole time, pal.
14:13Before, during, after.
14:15And come on, Hayden, give me a break here.
14:17You know as well as I do
14:18that the way you treat her,
14:20the way that you are...
14:20It's not good, but that's why I want help for that.
14:21And it is because you're guilty, isn't it?
14:23And that is why I want help for that.
14:24I'll do that if you honestly admit you're guilty, aren't you?
14:27All right, I'm guilty.
14:27You're right.
14:29Hayden, every day you check her phone,
14:31every day you want her at home.
14:32Come on, it's archetypal, it's a blueprint.
14:34I've done it for 13 years.
14:35It's because you live in absolute fear, mate.
14:38Is it not?
14:38She'll do the same to you.
14:39Come on.
14:40Yes, it is, yeah.
14:41Now, I'll tell you something.
14:42I don't know your bird from anybody else.
14:45I've known her 10 minutes.
14:46I will bet my last dollar that she passes this.
14:50I absolutely believe that.
14:52That's going to make you feel even worse.
14:54If that's the case, grab it, use it,
14:57fess up, and we'll make it better.
14:59But you've got to be honest.
15:01Do you not understand?
15:02Because it's not going to get any better.
15:05Lisa told me that her relationship with Hayden
15:07got serious when they moved in together in 2011.
15:09Happy with that?
15:11She told me she slept with someone else,
15:14but this was before this period of time,
15:16and he's aware of that, yes?
15:18Happy with that?
15:20Since she moved in with Hayden in 2011,
15:22have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
15:24Lisa said no.
15:24Why'd you say no?
15:25Of course she was telling the truth.
15:30But Aiden, Aiden, Aiden, Aiden!
15:33Now we're getting reality, right?
15:35We're going to end up mate.
15:36She passed every single question, mate.
15:37Come on.
15:38We've got what I'm trying to say to you.
15:40I do get you, but look at me.
15:41Listen, look at me.
15:42Honestly, man, don't walk away from me.
15:44I beg you don't.
15:44Look at me.
15:46Not what you think it is.
15:47Don't have a go at me.
15:48I'm trying to help you, but you've got to understand.
15:49Look.
15:51No, no.
15:53Oi.
15:54I cannot sit here and do a show.
15:56Look at me.
15:56Don't mind you, because I'll get the truth from you.
15:59I can't sit here when there are people working their backsides off, thinking that I'm not
16:05going to have a go at somebody who thinks it's all right to break into somebody's house
16:07and nick their stuff and sleep real.
16:08But I'll never do that again.
16:10Maybe.
16:11I want to change my life, fix up.
16:12That's why I want help.
16:14But it's not right.
16:15It's not right, because you want to control her, because you know...
16:16No, but it's not even before even this.
16:18I've got a bad head.
16:19She's done nothing, man.
16:22I'm honestly, deep down from my heart, I'm sorry.
16:24Now you feel useless, don't you?
16:26Yeah, I do.
16:26But you're not useless.
16:27You've just got to fess up.
16:29It was more than nine.
16:30You don't even know how many it was, to be honest.
16:31I don't know.
16:32I don't know.
16:33From when I've had...
16:35You hadn't had sexual intercourse of anyone since you've had...
16:39Shall I tell you the way I'm going to tell you this?
16:40Shall I tell you the way I'm going to do this?
16:41And this is very shocking, and maybe some of the people working out after to say you got
16:44it wrong.
16:45I don't think it matters now if it's nine, ten, twelve or twenty-five.
16:48It's whether you think in your half-hearts, not because you're being controlled, not because
16:52you've got three kids, you won't like this, but you've got a man up for this, it's whether
16:56you think deep in your heart and soul that you believe he can change his life, not because
17:01you're scared of being alone, not because you're scared of what he might do, but because
17:04there's something inside your head that says there's something inside this man, be it kids
17:08or just his head, that will sort this out with our help.
17:10That's what you have to do.
17:11But you, you can't control her anymore, mate.
17:15Your punishment, I said it out there, you didn't like it.
17:17The guilt is because you did what you did.
17:20Everybody who cheats has that in their head.
17:22When people do dirty on you, right, they have to live with those consequences.
17:26That's your problem, and you take it out on her.
17:29Not physically, I'll make the point, but you're terrified if she goes out, somebody's going
17:32to do exactly to her what you did, and you wouldn't be able to handle that, would you?
17:36I'm not.
17:37You can, because you're a man, right?
17:40You've got every reason to turn your life around.
17:42You've got a nice...
17:42That's the only thing I want to turn my life around, we're getting old, you know what
17:45I mean?
17:46I just want to be with my kids.
17:47That's your daughter as well.
17:49Thank you so much.
17:52Thank you so much.
17:54Thank you so much.
17:55Thank you so much.
17:56Thank you so much.
18:02Lisa.
18:03Look at me.
18:05We're seeing a real man here now, aren't we?
18:08Here we are.
18:09What did you say to her?
18:10I'm sorry from the bottom of my heart on my children's lives.
18:12I just want to move on and be happy.
18:17That's the only thing.
18:18I need to hear from you.
18:19I need to know about this.
18:21Truthfully, I've only ever slept with ten people in my whole life, including you.
18:24Maybe you did it with one of the nine more than once, I don't know, but I don't think,
18:28when I read the title this morning, I didn't think the number mattered.
18:32I know you're nervous and I know you're shy, but I do believe in your heart of hearts.
18:35You love somebody who the rest of the world has told you four for years isn't good enough,
18:41right?
18:41And you, you don't deserve this woman right now.
18:46You know that.
18:47But instead of, you know, like, when men know they're in the wrong and they know they don't
18:54deserve a woman, usually they throw their toys out of the pram and go back to their man cave
18:58and they come on television shows and quite rightly call 52-year-old balding has-beens
19:03their scumbags.
19:04But you know what, mate?
19:05You can prove you're a man and a dad by taking this on the chin and getting the help.
19:10That's all I want.
19:11And if you can turn this round and keep it in your trousers and be a good dad and not
19:16break the law, maybe in two years or five years you'll go, that Jeremy Carl wasn't so bad.
19:22That's all I'm asking of you, kiddo.
19:23Maybe I've changed as well.
19:25Maybe I've changed.
19:27Maybe I've changed.
19:28Probably thrown you out of the studio two years ago.
19:30But you know what?
19:32If you fess up to it, maybe you've got a future.
19:36But here's one thing for you as well, babe.
19:38You have to be strong.
19:41He should be able to sit at home with your kids on a Friday night whilst you go out clubbing
19:45with your mates.
19:46Because don't you get it?
19:48She ain't going to do to you what you did to her.
19:50She loves you, man.
19:52She's come here.
19:53What, to a headline that says, my boyfriend cheated nine times and I'm still with him?
19:57That takes some courage on her.
19:59I know it does.
20:00So I think start respecting her, let her have a life, let her breathe, we'll work with
20:03you.
20:04I promise you.
20:05You didn't think it would end like that, did you?
20:06No, I didn't, honestly.
20:07And, if he does it again, you know what you've got to do?
20:10Go.
20:11And I'd want you to do that.
20:12For their sake, dating kids.
20:14Good to meet you.
20:15Thank you very much.
20:16I'm sorry, innit?
20:17You don't have to be.
20:18Nice to meet you.
20:19You're out of here.
20:21Nice to meet you.
20:22You voice recorded her and that man together.
20:24You heard heavy breathing and whispering.
20:26Why would you do that?
20:27And you don't trust your missus, do you?
20:29I think she has teachers.
20:31Yeah.
20:32I've got a confession to make to Emma about what I've done.
20:39What I've done.
20:41Thank you very much indeed.
20:52Welcome back.
20:53Jason is here demanding fiancé Claire takes a lie detector test.
20:56He also suspects that a man who broke into their flat is her secret lover.
21:01Ooh!
21:02This relationship is at breaking point.
21:04This guy is determined to go answers.
21:05Big day for him.
21:06Jase is on the Jeremy Carr Show.
21:07That way.
21:08Thank you very much.
21:10Thank you very much.
21:11Thank you very much.
21:12Thank you very much.
21:13Thank you very much.
21:14Thank you very much.
21:15Thank you very much.
21:16I really appreciate you being here.
21:18Very easy, isn't it?
21:19When you're reading, sat out there watching it at home.
21:21You think, what?
21:22But this is your life.
21:2414 years with Claire.
21:26Yep.
21:2712 engaged.
21:28A lot of people come here and I want you to be confident, okay?
21:31I want you to be honest with me because a lot of people come here and they can give me real proof.
21:36Others come here and they are...
21:38It's just a gut feeling.
21:40Why are things not adding up at the moment?
21:43Tell me.
21:44It's just like, house keys have gone missing.
21:46There's just a couple of bits.
21:48What happened in the flat, we've moved out of the flat into a two bedroom house now.
21:52But to get in my flat, you can either go, it's a communal so people can walk in.
21:57And because we was on the third floor, we never locked the front door.
22:00And same as the balcony at the back, you could get up that way.
22:03Let me just bring it back as well to that story about the flat.
22:06You think you heard a man in your daughter's room?
22:10My daughter started crying and it was like someone was calming her down.
22:13She stopped crying and we heard voices.
22:16And I jumped up.
22:17Wouldn't that concern you?
22:18Oh, yeah.
22:19As soon as I heard it, I jumped up.
22:21But you could get out in seconds.
22:23It's not like it's...
22:25Wasn't the balcony door open?
22:27No, the balcony...
22:29The balcony and the front door's always open.
22:32Why?
22:33Well, you know, we're on the third floor.
22:35It's a little bit weird, isn't it?
22:39Yeah, no.
22:40Is there one particular man you're concerned about?
22:43Truthfully, come on.
22:45Well, yeah, it is one particular person, but...
22:50You say you voice recorded her and that man together.
22:52You heard heavy breathing and whispering.
22:54Why would you do that?
22:55I don't know.
22:56I honestly don't know.
22:57You love her, don't you?
22:58I just want...
22:59All my life, yeah.
23:01It's just the little things and then...
23:03Is there a part of you that thinks you're going mad?
23:05If I'm being honest?
23:07No.
23:08No.
23:09If you were asked to put money on this, do you think this is just paranoia run amok,
23:15or do you actually think this girl...
23:17I think he's trying...
23:18I think he knows we've got...
23:21We're so close with best friends, but he knows that he's not in that good relationship.
23:29So you don't trust her?
23:30Forget him.
23:31You don't trust your missus, do you?
23:32You're on the Jeremy Car Show saying that somebody's climbed through your daughter's bedroom window.
23:36You're recording her with a man and accusing her of the heavy breathing.
23:38I'm not having a go at you, but you don't trust her, do you?
23:40I do trust her, but then...
23:41Well, then why are we here?
23:42We've been together a long time, and...
23:45And why are we here, then, if you trust her?
23:48It's just that little niggle.
23:49Tell me about the fence.
23:51Yeah, well, obviously, they've seen the fence, it's come down.
23:56Me and Claire fixed the fence, both of us, and then the fence has come down.
24:00But you paint it out like there's apparently this man who will climb over fences and through bedroom windows
24:06to get at your missus who you trust, which implies that it's not reciprocated.
24:10She doesn't want anything to do with this guy.
24:12This guy's some sort of stalker, is that what you're saying?
24:14Or do you think she's cheating?
24:17I think she has cheated, yeah.
24:19Do you ask her?
24:20Yes.
24:21So if you think she's cheated, you don't trust her, do you?
24:25Not really?
24:27No.
24:28Right.
24:30You also tell me that, um, since she did the lie detector,
24:33she's been freaking out and you're scared of the results.
24:36Of course I'm scared of the results.
24:38I reckon even if she's cheated, you'll just stay with her anyway.
24:41Of course I will.
24:42I'll work through it.
24:44What does this mean to you, kidder?
24:46Life.
24:47It's my life.
24:48She's my life.
24:49I appreciate you being here.
24:50Claire's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
24:52APPLAUSE
24:54My team say you've been a pain in the backside most of the morning.
24:55I'm always a pain in the backside.
24:56Are you?
24:57Yeah.
24:58Are you cheating on him?
24:59No.
25:00Really?
25:01Yeah.
25:0214 years together.
25:03Three kids.
25:04I've never cheated on Jason.
25:05There's no reason for him accusing me.
25:06I've always been loyal.
25:07It is getting unbearable.
25:08Can't take anymore.
25:09How bad is it, babe?
25:10I feel trapped.
25:11I feel like I'm strangled.
25:12Tell him.
25:13You know.
25:14I can't breathe.
25:15I feel trapped.
25:16I feel like I'm strangled.
25:17Tell him.
25:18You know.
25:23I can't breathe.
25:26I can't breathe.
25:29I feel trapped.
25:32I feel like I'm strangled.
25:34Tell him.
25:35You know.
25:37I can't breathe.
25:40I feel like you're not being challenged.
25:42I can't do anything, go anywhere.
25:46I'm a full-time mum, and I can't even go to the shop to get nappies
25:48without him accusing me of cheating. Is that right?
25:51Yes.
25:53I feel like a prisoner.
25:56In fact, you go so far and say,
25:57I'd love to know where I'd find the time to cheat.
26:00I feel like going to bed by 6 o'clock every night,
26:02so I'm going to knack up from my kids when I identify with that.
26:04Yeah.
26:05How sure are you going to pass this test, babe?
26:07I wouldn't be here.
26:07And on a serious note, with the lie detector and the DNA,
26:13what is today about trying to instill in this guy?
26:16I mean, a lot of what he said, with respect, sounds a bit far-fetched.
26:20You know, somebody in the bedroom and somebody over the fence and...
26:24We had the police out.
26:25It's laughable.
26:26It's what?
26:27It's laughable.
26:28You helped fix the fence, Claire.
26:29I know.
26:30You've seen it.
26:31But I've not had anyone in our house.
26:34The key's what went missing.
26:36You just brush it under the carpet and it's not.
26:38These little things, little things, little things.
26:40That's why we're here.
26:42I know.
26:43But it's got to stop.
26:47I know.
26:47It's got to get better.
26:50We asked Claire,
26:52since the start of your relationship with Jason,
26:53have you passionately kissed anyone else?
26:55You said no.
26:55Why did you say no?
26:56Because I haven't.
26:57This test says you're a liar, love.
26:59Oh!
27:01You're going to drop the nice little expense now.
27:04Oh, my God.
27:05Since the start of your relationship with Jason,
27:06have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
27:08You said no.
27:08This test says you're lied on that question.
27:10Oh!
27:11I take absolutely no joy from telling this
27:13because he's a doormat anyway.
27:14She failed on every single question.
27:15I can't.
27:17Sorry?
27:18I can't.
27:19That is...
27:19Tears have dried up, haven't they?
27:20No.
27:21You're a liar, love.
27:21I'm serious.
27:22Oh, there's a tear.
27:23Right on cue.
27:23Don't you even try it with me.
27:25I haven't.
27:25It's right on you, love.
27:26I haven't.
27:27Yeah, but we can work through it, yeah?
27:2914 years after what we've been through.
27:31You believe that, Tess, don't you?
27:33I haven't.
27:35Oh, God.
27:35Please, please, please.
27:37I haven't.
27:38You guys, the one I need.
27:40Oh, my God.
27:45I haven't done anything.
27:47Don't do that.
27:47Don't do it.
27:48I've already lost a child.
27:49Do you think we would do that?
27:50I know that, but don't...
27:52I'm going to talk about that, but I'm really sorry.
27:53This is a very difficult part for me to do.
27:55I don't understand.
27:55And I'll be really honest why it's difficult, shall I?
27:57I'll tell you why it's difficult.
28:00You two went through a horrible thing and lost a child.
28:04This is not in any way designed to detract from what's happened.
28:0714 years is a long time.
28:10But you've got to help me out.
28:11You've had real doubts, haven't you?
28:13Yeah.
28:16But as I say, we...
28:17I didn't want to be on it if...
28:19There is no working through it, Jo, because you'll never believe me.
28:23You cheated on me at the beginning of our relationship.
28:2615 years ago, babe.
28:27I didn't know where my...
28:28I didn't...
28:28What was it at the beginning of the...
28:30No, I haven't. No.
28:30A kiss, something.
28:31No, nothing.
28:33There is a nice ending to this story.
28:35Oh, thank you.
28:36Father child's dialogue.
28:37Of course there is.
28:38Can I say something?
28:42Can I say something?
28:43Can I say something?
28:44No, because no.
28:45Right, after what I put her through, I can understand.
28:50No, this is not going to stop.
28:51Can I say something that really matters to me?
28:53Can you hear me out a sec?
28:54I see two people who, patently, without turning this into something that it's not meant to be about,
29:00never had the help and the support that they needed when they lost that child.
29:05And I think the most important and first thing that's needed here is not that test.
29:11I can't even look at him.
29:14Do you not want to be in the relationship, then?
29:15Of course I do.
29:17And take our help and make your lives better after what you've been through.
29:20It won't get better.
29:21You don't know him.
29:22It won't get better.
29:23I came out of that room so calm.
29:25I don't know what to do.
29:26My daughter's mine.
29:28Both of them.
29:29You didn't come out of that room calm at all.
29:31You're lying now, because he told us, and so did everybody around me, that he came out of that room freaking out.
29:35He told us you freaked out.
29:36Yes, he told us you freaked out.
29:38How did I freak out?
29:40Just yesterday, when you did the DNA, you was quite happy.
29:44You was laughing and joking.
29:46And then when it comes to that lie detector, you come back.
29:49Because, what did I say to you?
29:52You weren't there when I got back.
29:54And all I needed was you and the girls and a hug.
29:57And you weren't there.
29:58You left me sat there on my own.
30:00And when you came back, you didn't even ask if I was okay.
30:05You didn't ask if I was okay.
30:06This is a man who says that he will work through anything because of how much he loves you.
30:12This is a man, and you, who need help.
30:16And that is what we will do.
30:17I promise you.
30:18I am not, for your information, look at me.
30:20I'm simply the man that reads them out.
30:22I stand by it 100%, but I don't think it's even relevant in this case.
30:25I think you damaged both.
30:27No, darling, now you're in danger of playing this, right?
30:31You've definitely done something.
30:33I have.
30:35You think she has, don't you?
30:37Yeah, it's just, as I say, little, little, little bits.
30:40Do you know the best thing for this guy, which is you're missing the point on?
30:43He now doesn't think he's mad.
30:44He loves you.
30:45It's all in my head.
30:47We will give you, as a couple, the absolute best support that you need.
30:52And that will start right now, OK?
30:54The help that you should have got a long, long time ago, and I mean that.
31:03I respect you for coming here that way.
31:05Thank you very much.
31:05Next guest today, Emma, is here for Make or Break Lie Detector Results with a partner, Darren.
31:15Emma says that since getting into a relationship with Darren, rumours have gone around that he's a cheat.
31:19And today, she says, is the ultimate day.
31:22I get the truth.
31:23I make the decision.
31:24Emma is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
31:26This is so cute, in a sort of cute way, in a world that I live in.
31:40I won't sleep with my boyfriend until he proves he's not a cheat.
31:42I love that.
31:45Early beginnings of a relationship.
31:46I need to know if my boyfriend, Darren, has cheated.
31:49What have you been hearing?
31:50Tell me.
31:51Talk to me.
31:51Well, I've been hearing that he's been sleeping with his ex, and she's got chlamydia.
31:58And that's why I don't want to f*** you.
32:02Well, how safe can we be?
32:05Brilliant.
32:06Brilliant.
32:08I love you.
32:10Um, do you think, I mean, in your head, what happens?
32:16Do you think that's an ex just trying to score cheap points, or do you think there could be some truth in it?
32:22I think there'd be some truth in it.
32:24And what if there is truth in it?
32:25What happens to you and Daz?
32:26Well, with me and Daz, if it is true, I'm going to finish him for good.
32:31Are you?
32:32Yeah.
32:32CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:33Because I don't want to get used like he's done with his other exes.
32:43Um, and also, presumably, you don't want to catch anything off him.
32:47Yeah.
32:48Um, it could be that the...
32:50I sometimes, when I'm doing this show, I don't really like doing this show.
32:55But I have to tell you the truth, Emma.
32:56Uh, so, you know, um, when people have a pre-interview on the Jeremy Carl show, so we can get the facts of their story.
33:03Well, we obviously record those.
33:06And, um, I think you need to look at this.
33:10Ooh!
33:12Play it, please.
33:13It's ripping, it's ripping me apart, is this?
33:23I've got a confession to make to Emma about what I've done.
33:28Is your gut instinct right?
33:34DARREN's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
33:36CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
33:37Come on, then, get on with it.
33:47Don't walk on with your head on the floor.
33:49What confession?
33:50Tell her, not me.
33:50Get on with it.
33:51Come on.
33:51It's true.
33:52What's true?
33:53Speak up!
33:54That I did have it with my ex-partner.
33:56Well, why didn't you tell me from the start, Darren?
33:58Because I was trying to find the right time to tell you.
34:00Yeah, but it's better than other people telling me, though.
34:04I was trying to find...
34:05My ex, Darren, has 100% cheated on Emma because he cheated on her with me, says Anne.
34:10I stupidly was in his bed two weeks ago, an hour after she had just got out of it.
34:16I've been round at Darren's house and he tried it on with me and stupidly I gave in.
34:21Darren's given me chlamydia, so Emma better get herself checked out.
34:24As far as I'm concerned, once a cheat, always a cheat.
34:27He's nothing but a dirty, cheating scumbag and the biggest mistake I've ever made.
34:31Come on, pal!
34:32Hello? Please tell me you're not gonna stay with this liar, please?
34:36No.
34:37Anything to say?
34:38Yeah, well, she's not Mrs. Perfect either.
34:42Oh! Oh!
34:43No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
34:46What are we doing now?
34:49Why do I have a stage?
34:51What is going on?
34:55Hello?
34:57Hello?
34:59Hello?
35:00Hello, sir?
35:00That's you.
35:01Well, it's over.
35:02Can you stop moving and tell me what's going on, please?
35:05Come on!
35:06I'm here to tell you the truth.
35:07No, it's over, not having...
35:08What do you mean you're here to tell her the truth?
35:09Why didn't you tell her the truth before you came here?
35:11Instead of other people telling me...
35:14Because...
35:15Because what? You're a liar?
35:16I told you many times not to believe what she says.
35:20Yeah, but now I'm...
35:21Sorry, sorry, sorry.
35:23I know this is difficult for you to understand, obviously.
35:25You just said to your girlfriend, well, ex-girlfriend,
35:27if I have anything to do with it, you just said in that quote,
35:29she always tells you things I've told you not to believe her.
35:32But in fact, she was telling the truth.
35:34You slept with her and you're a liar, aren't you?
35:37No, because I've told the truth through the test.
35:40No, no, no, no, no!
35:41How...
35:41You cheated on Emma with the ex, yes or no?
35:45Yeah, and I...
35:46So the ex was telling the truth, wasn't she?
35:48Yeah, and I feel good...
35:49Please do me a favour.
35:51I don't even know why we've done a test.
35:53Where's this test? Why have we done a test?
35:55What? To check whether you're telling the truth.
35:57Well, you've just admitted it, so what's the point of that?
36:01Darren admitted the start of the test.
36:02He had sex with his ex-partner, Anne, on two occasions!
36:07He's cheated on you twice in a short space of time.
36:10No, Darren, I'm not being funny yet, so have I.
36:12Now what...
36:13Mum had to say to my dad.
36:15Right, what does that mean?
36:16Because I've told my dad...
36:18No, because we were going to go down and see my dad today,
36:21but I had to find my dad yesterday to say...
36:23Tell your dad, I'm coming to see your dad,
36:25and I'm not with this scumbag any more because I'm worth more
36:27and I want to spend some time with you,
36:28a man who I love and trust,
36:29and not somebody like that who thinks it's all right to sleep with his ex.
36:31That's the truth, OK?
36:33But do me a favour.
36:34What will happen is...
36:35What will happen is you'll go back to him, right?
36:38Because you have low self-esteem.
36:40You'll go back and you'll allow that to happen,
36:42but that, right, will do it to you again
36:44because he doesn't respect women.
36:45I know it's an awful moment when you're rock bottom
36:47and that's what we always try and do.
36:49We try and build people back up.
36:50And it's horrible having to tell the truth.
36:52But you're a liar, aren't you?
36:54Could I keep the results, please?
36:56Mm.
36:57Telling the truth because he admitted the two,
36:58but he didn't admit till he came here and told you, did he?
37:00No.
37:01That's humiliating and embarrassing, but look at me.
37:03You are worth more.
37:04Think on that.
37:05I'll leave you with Karen.
37:06Give him a round of applause.
37:07You might recognise my next guest today, Simon,
37:20from a previous encounter.
37:21Take a look at this, my friends.
37:30You're tied up to Chaz.
37:31No!
37:31No!
37:32Get up!
37:33Get up!
37:34Get up!
37:35No, I better face you little...
37:37Did you get back from Scotland in half an hour?
37:40Go on, son.
37:41Go on.
37:41Drive four and a half hours, drive last night.
37:43You claim you're the f*** of Manchester.
37:45You told the production team.
37:47You were in...
37:49And you were in half an hour.
37:52So firstly, how did you get here in half an hour from Scotland?
37:55Seriously.
37:55I didn't get here in half an hour.
37:57I set off from six o'clock last night
38:00to get here at half past ten.
38:03Last night, I got back from Scotland
38:06because I have been away working.
38:09You've been f***ing someone else the last few weeks.
38:11Deny that.
38:12Go on.
38:13You put that on a lie detector, son.
38:14And go on to be fair with it, mate.
38:16Go on, eh?
38:17Yeah, we'll do a lie detector.
38:19Have you cheated on that?
38:20You've been elsewhere.
38:21Are you sure?
38:22I think you should convince your boyfriend,
38:23the rude one, to do a lie detector
38:25because I think he's definitely a cheat.
38:28So Simon is back today
38:30and he says he is finally going to prove
38:31that Ian, his nemesis, is living a double life
38:33and is cheating on partner Alex.
38:35Simon's here to expose Ian's lies
38:37and make him confess.
38:39Is it going to happen?
38:40I don't know.
38:40Simon's back on The Kyle Show.
38:42All right, Dan?
38:50Why?
38:51Why?
38:51Right.
38:52When I read...
38:53We've seen that.
38:54Listen.
38:55All I can do when I think about you
38:57and Ian and Alex
38:58is think that you must be in love with her.
38:59Why is it so important to you
39:01to prove to the world
39:03that this Ian guy is leading a double life?
39:05Why?
39:06Because I'm not having him walk all over Alex
39:07and I'm not enough with Alex.
39:09I have a girlfriend.
39:10I can see if I'm in it.
39:12He's had the sign of having a girlfriend.
39:21Yeah.
39:23There we go.
39:27It's nice, though.
39:28Most people would listen
39:29and they would think, you know,
39:30he's in love with her
39:31but you're saying from a friendly point of view.
39:33Now, this, Ian,
39:34you say is the ultimate liar.
39:36Yeah.
39:37A lying scumbag.
39:39Yeah.
39:39Why?
39:40What do you know?
39:40What have you got?
39:41Well, basically,
39:42it's that I've been told off other people
39:44that no one, no, no one except no Ian himself.
39:47You call him an ugly gummy bear?
39:49Yeah.
39:49I don't understand he can get one woman,
39:52let alone two.
39:52Yeah.
39:53Um, you told us that on the last show,
39:56we saw it there,
39:57he lied to Alex and said he was...
39:59He's working away in Scotland.
40:04Yeah.
40:05It was apparently in Scotland
40:06but then when you rang him up,
40:09it was in Manchester.
40:10Well, he was in Scotland.
40:11I'm just going to give you this little bit.
40:12He was picked up by our taxi somewhere else.
40:14He made an accusation about stealing a laptop,
40:17slightly irrelevant.
40:18You're going to do the lie detector test today.
40:20Um, he says,
40:21you are jealous,
40:22you are pathetic,
40:23you are an interfering git
40:25and actually today,
40:26right,
40:27he's going to prove
40:28that he's not a liar,
40:30that he loves her
40:31and that you have ulterior motives.
40:33That's basically what I'm setting up.
40:34So we've got him with a beard
40:35and the woman in the middle
40:36and him,
40:37two lie detectors
40:38and me in a blue suit.
40:39Back after the break.
40:40Don't go anywhere.
40:40You must be in love with her.
40:42Why is it so important to you
40:44to prove to the world
40:46that this Ian guy
40:47is leading a double life?
40:48Why?
40:49I'm sick and tired
40:50of having my head pecked.
40:51I want to come here
40:52and prove her wrong.
40:54Yes?
40:55Yeah.
40:55So why won't you do a lie detector?
40:59You'll come back.
41:01Yes, if you let it on, man,
41:02you're down.
41:03Oi!
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41:41Welcome back before the break,
41:42Simon.
41:43Simon had to prove
41:43to his mate Alex
41:44who's going out with Ian
41:45that Ian's a lying scumbag
41:47and has got a double life
41:48and I must tell you something.
41:50Can you focus the picture
41:52on Ian for a second?
41:53Can you cut her out?
41:54Let's get Ian's...
41:55Look at that.
41:55Look at that.
41:56Now watch this.
41:58I just heard in my ear
41:59you're going to love this.
42:01Brian.
42:01He's refused to do
42:02the lie detector.
42:03Point treason, mate.
42:06Ian's back on
42:07the Jeremy Kyle show
42:08that way.
42:16Why are you shaking your head?
42:18Why wouldn't you do it now?
42:19If he is what you think he is
42:20and he's after...
42:22What?
42:22Why should I?
42:23Because you're a liar.
42:23I don't need to prove
42:25nothing to him.
42:25Because she's under your spell
42:27for some unknown reason.
42:28No.
42:29Well, I'll tell you what.
42:29She doesn't want me to do one
42:31so why should I?
42:32I didn't...
42:32I don't need to prove
42:33to no one.
42:34At the end of the day
42:35I am not cheating.
42:37If you're working in Scotland
42:38why don't my car pick you up
42:39from Ashton Underline then?
42:40Can you ask your producers
42:42Why are you speaking at me?
42:43Do you have been phoning me
42:44all day?
42:46I had to travel back.
42:48What?
42:48I had to travel back.
42:51Do you work in Scotland?
42:52Scotland?
42:52I work all over the place.
42:54I do security for festivals.
42:56So where's your SIA badge?
42:59Where's your SIA badge?
43:00At home.
43:01You work all over the place.
43:02What do you do?
43:03I do security for festivals.
43:05Music festivals.
43:07So where was you at
43:08Leeds Festival?
43:08Because I work at.
43:09I didn't do Leeds Festival.
43:11Name two festivals
43:12you've done recently.
43:12V Festival.
43:13V Festival?
43:14Whereabouts?
43:15Essex.
43:16Chelmsford.
43:16You said you were in Scotland?
43:18Yes.
43:18He said to name two
43:19that I've done recently.
43:21But when did you do it?
43:22A couple of months ago.
43:23What day?
43:24I can't remember the date.
43:25What was the one in Scotland
43:26What was the one in Scotland?
43:27See you in the park.
43:28Whereabouts?
43:28In Glasgow.
43:30All right.
43:31How long have you been with Alex?
43:33Just over here, yeah.
43:34Why do you think he's so interested
43:36in proving you've got a double life?
43:37Talk to him.
43:37I haven't got a clue.
43:38Do you think he wants it for himself?
43:39Simon, look.
43:41I don't know why you're doing it.
43:42At the end of the day.
43:43At the end of the day?
43:44The first time we come here
43:45you come because you wanted Alex
43:47to do a lie detector.
43:49Yeah, I'll get to the point.
43:50Has she done it?
43:51No.
43:52I'm a hardworking man.
43:53I work away to provide for us.
43:54I haven't got time to cheat.
43:56If I wanted to I could.
43:57I think he's got an ulterior motive
44:00and I think he's a thief
44:01and he's stolen my white laptop.
44:03Your white laptop?
44:04It's not my laptop.
44:06I don't care who's damn laptop it is.
44:07It's Alex's laptop that's gone missing.
44:09Have you cheated on her?
44:10No.
44:11Why won't you do a lie detector then?
44:12Because I don't need to.
44:13She doesn't want me to do one
44:15and I don't need to prove to anyone else.
44:16But is it obvious to Alex?
44:17It's not obvious to Alex.
44:18It's all right.
44:18But here's the interesting thing
44:19because you put down the shutters you and her
44:21since you came to the studio
44:21because all of her notes
44:23and all of your notes
44:24before the show
44:25were how much she doesn't trust you.
44:27If she doesn't damn well trust you
44:28why wouldn't you prove to her then?
44:33Because I don't need to.
44:35What?
44:35Because I don't need to.
44:37You don't need to
44:38because she's completely
44:39I don't know why she is in awe of you.
44:40Right.
44:40So did you say
44:41I'm here today
44:42to clear my name
44:43and prove to Alex
44:44I'm not a cheat.
44:45On the last show
44:46Simon accused me of cheating on her
44:47while I'm working away.
44:49He was making out
44:49that I live a double life.
44:51It's a something take.
44:53It's a...
44:53Yeah, anyway.
44:54So did you say that?
44:55Yes, I did.
44:55Yeah.
44:56One day Alex says she believes me
44:57the next day she accuses me
44:59she can't make her mind up.
45:00I've supposed to have done wrong.
45:01I'm sick and tired
45:02of having my head pecked
45:04to want to come here
45:04and prove her wrong.
45:07Yes?
45:07Yeah.
45:07So why won't you do a lie detector?
45:09Because I'm not.
45:11Well, I know why.
45:14Because she's just a doormat, isn't she?
45:16I love her and he does nothing wrong.
45:18Alex is on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
45:27What is wrong with you?
45:30To be honest,
45:31I've had enough of all this.
45:32You don't trust him, do you?
45:33He doesn't...
45:34You don't trust him, do you?
45:35I told him at the end of the day
45:36he doesn't need to do a lie detector test.
45:38He doesn't need to prove anything
45:39to anybody but myself.
45:41But why didn't he walk all over you, Alex?
45:42That's something I don't get.
45:43Why didn't he walk all over you?
45:45Once I did have a doubt, because...
45:46But you do accuse him, don't you?
45:48Sometimes, yeah.
45:49So if you don't...
45:50So why doesn't he do it?
45:52If I'm coming here to you,
45:53I'll take you over your laptop,
45:54why can't he go and get off your...
45:55and go and do it?
45:56Away from the shouting
45:57and the screaming,
45:59without, you know,
46:00Ian, whatever,
46:01you don't trust him, do you?
46:03I do trust him.
46:04You obviously don't.
46:05You obviously don't trust him, Alex.
46:07He says you don't trust him.
46:09He's the next bit behind your back.
46:10Make him do the lie detector.
46:12Don't let him watch him.
46:13He doesn't have to do the lie detector.
46:14He doesn't have to do the lie detector.
46:14He doesn't have to do the lie detector.
46:15Right.
46:17I'm not the most great person,
46:20confidence person whatsoever.
46:21Trying to bum myself.
46:22Yeah, but you support,
46:23if I didn't just look what you were like,
46:24when you were living with me,
46:25you were there for me,
46:26you were there for me
46:26when you had food poisoning,
46:27do you remember?
46:28And you're in this waiterspace,
46:29walk all over you.
46:30You're supposed to be my mate, right?
46:32Yeah, which is looking out for you.
46:33Right.
46:34I locked out for you and everything.
46:36Yeah, fair enough.
46:36Fair enough.
46:37But when...
46:38I just...
46:40I don't think you were there anymore.
46:41Did you or did you not say to my team,
46:43if Ian is proven to be a cheat,
46:45then I'm done,
46:45I could never stay with a liar?
46:47No.
46:48You never said that?
46:49Never said that.
46:49No, you're such a liar yourself, aren't you?
46:52No.
46:52And do you know,
46:52if you look at his body language, right,
46:54I absolutely guarantee
46:56that he won't do this test.
46:57Well, he won't,
46:57because he's got something to hide.
46:59But, darling,
46:59do you know what I want to say to you?
47:01It's fine.
47:02Sometimes in life,
47:03we have to find out stuff for ourselves.
47:05And I think that Simon,
47:06you know,
47:06maybe I'm a bit unfair
47:07when he first came out here
47:08and I thought there must be
47:09some ulterior motive.
47:10Maybe that's just old cynicism.
47:12I think he's your mate.
47:13I have absolutely no doubt
47:14that this shifty man here,
47:16right,
47:17will not in any way...
47:18Look at the smug look on his face.
47:20Do you know you said
47:21you're not very confident?
47:22He's playing you like a good in love.
47:24Absolutely.
47:25Absolutely.
47:25Got Margaret in the Costa
47:25out of your eyes, mate.
47:26Absolutely.
47:26I love it.
47:27What would you like to do?
47:33Be with him
47:33and being walked all over
47:35or be with someone
47:36that cares for you.
47:37One minute.
47:39He's there for you,
47:40supports you,
47:41and actually gets along with you
47:42just like I did on it.
47:44That's another story.
47:45You accused him
47:46of the laptop.
47:47He didn't.
47:48He passed both questions.
47:49He was on the slide, man.
47:50Yes!
47:51You've done that!
47:53Yess!
47:54You've done that one, mate!
47:54Yeah!
47:55Oi!
47:56Oi!
47:56Oi!
47:57Don't me, mate!
47:57It's a una bit!
47:59Yes.
48:00All I'll do is this...
48:01Come on, darling.
48:02Come on, yo, come on!
48:04Yeah!
48:05Ooh!
48:07Ooh!
48:07Ooh!
48:08Ooh!
48:08Ooh!
48:09In the end,
48:10what will happen is,
48:11I don't know how soon,
48:13maybe in a year
48:14or five years
48:15or eight years I'll be sat here on my own on this stage there'll be nobody in
48:20the audience there'll be nobody to help there'll be no guests there'll be no
48:24lights I'll just be sat here can I get the tissues please I'm just as even no
48:33tissues those gentlemen I'm looking into the abyss of the future thanks for
48:46watching this is the end of today and possibly the end for an old man see
48:50tomorrow
49:03you