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🌐 Alex Krainer joins Dialogue Works to explore how BRICS nations are pushing back — forming a united economic front against the weaponization of the U.S. dollar.
💰 What’s driving countries to ditch the dollar?
🇨🇳🇷🇺🇮🇳🇧🇷🇿🇦 Is this the birth of a new global financial order?
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📉 The dollar's supremacy isn't guaranteed — and BRICS may be the biggest threat it's ever faced.
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00:00:00Hi, everybody. Today is Friday, April 11th, 2025, and our friend Alex Cranor is back with us.
00:00:12Welcome back, Alex.
00:00:13Thank you for having me, Nima. Greetings to everyone out there from Croatia, and good to be with you again.
00:00:21Alex, what's going on with the world and the Trump administration?
00:00:26We did tariffs and the way that they're trying to manage the situation between, I would say, between the United States and China.
00:00:35And here is what the Treasury Secretary of the United States got best and said about the war between the United States, this economic war between the United States and China.
00:00:49Escalation, unfortunately, the biggest offender in the global trading system is China.
00:00:56And they're the only country who's escalated.
00:01:01And I can tell the rest of the world that, I'm not sure whether it's the prime minister or the economic minister in Spain made some comments this morning.
00:01:10Oh, well, maybe we should align ourselves more with China.
00:01:14That would be cutting your own throat, because I can tell you that these Chinese exports that the U.S. tariff wall is going to keep out, that China, for all of you who can remember that Disney movie of the brooms carrying the buckets of water, that is a Chinese business model.
00:01:32It never stops.
00:01:33They just keep producing and producing and dumping and dumping, and it's going somewhere.
00:01:39And, you know, I think, Rob, at the end of the day, that we can probably reach the ideal with our allies, with the other countries that have been long term.
00:01:53They've been good military allies, not perfect economic allies, and then we can approach China as a group.
00:02:00And he's referring, Alex, to the movie in 1940 in Disney.
00:02:08And you remember that?
00:02:11I remember the scene that he was talking about, yes.
00:02:14Look, it seems to me, the whole thing seems to me a little bit silly.
00:02:24You know, they, I think they launched into a bluff.
00:02:30The Chinese called them and doubled down.
00:02:35And they didn't, they didn't expect this.
00:02:37And so now they need to find a safe, a face saving way of backpedaling from this situation.
00:02:49And now they're talking about maybe, oh, if we all unite against China, then maybe we can, you know, we can browbeat them.
00:02:57We can force them to our, you know, to our point of view, and we can force them to capitulate to us.
00:03:09But it doesn't look very realistic at this point.
00:03:12And it makes the administration look weak.
00:03:14Look, some of what he's saying is true.
00:03:17China has been, how do you call it, a currency manipulator for many, many years.
00:03:27They have set themselves at an advantage with, vis-a-vis other trading nations, especially the United States.
00:03:35They have attracted a lot of American manufacturing to China.
00:03:39China, they have deliberately tried to set up research and development centers in cooperation with Western corporations to, to learn from them, to poach the best R&D talent from Western corporations and all of this.
00:04:02Well, you know, you could say that that was abusive.
00:04:06You could also say that it's a legitimate rivalry, you know, it's legitimate business competition.
00:04:12May the best man win.
00:04:14And in most of these endeavors, China wins.
00:04:17They have done a better job.
00:04:19Now, why has all this happened?
00:04:23We have to go back to 1971 when Richard Nixon severed the convertibility of the dollar to gold.
00:04:33And, you know, from that moment on, they, you know, they knew the people in power.
00:04:38I'm not talking about Nixon or Kissinger.
00:04:40I'm talking about the people actually in power who are, you know, dwellers of Wall Street and the city of London.
00:04:48They knew that they were going to destroy the dollar.
00:04:52That it was only a matter of time because the dollar at that point became a fiat currency backed by nothing.
00:04:59So, if you destroy a country's currency, which was only a matter of time, then that means that you destroy, you know, the empire loses its most powerful,
00:05:15the most powerful enforcer of the empire, which was the United States with all its military bases around the world,
00:05:26with all these carrier strike groups going around the world, making sure that everybody is subordinate to the empire.
00:05:32And they knew at that point that they would, down the road, need a new global cop, right?
00:05:40And they designated China as that new global cop.
00:05:47And almost immediately after severing the, after ending the convertibility of dollar,
00:05:55Nixon and Kissinger made overtures to China to open it up.
00:06:03And from that point on, Western financial and corporate giants went to China,
00:06:10worked with the Chinese governments to open China up and to build it up into the global superpower.
00:06:19And if you, if you read the statements by people like Henry Kissinger and George Soros up until maybe 10, 15 years ago,
00:06:32they were all explicitly saying that China was going to own the globalization process,
00:06:38that China was going to be the model society on, on which all other nations are going to,
00:06:45to model their, their own governments, governance systems.
00:06:51And so they, they, they clearly saw China as the next global cop,
00:06:56as the next superpower that was going to take, uh, take on the role of the United States in enforcing the global empire of which,
00:07:05you know, you know, China would be the enforcer, but they themselves, meaning the, the, the,
00:07:10the financial oligarchies of the West would be the, the ultimate, uh, stakeholders, the ultimate beneficiaries.
00:07:19And so they set China up to be the winner in this, uh, global rivalry and competition.
00:07:25They, they, they made everything, uh, possible for China to, uh, to do what it did.
00:07:33Uh, you know, even when, uh, back in the 1990s, many US politicians were complaining about China being the currency manipulator,
00:07:42uh, the powers that be let it stand.
00:07:48They didn't, they didn't allow the United States to sanction China.
00:07:51They didn't allow a redress of, of these imbalances and grievances, uh, from the United States.
00:07:58And so we saw progressively that China was winning at this game and that more and more manufacturers were setting up shop in China
00:08:05and that the United States became this, this importer of everything China, which in a way worked out for the United States as well,
00:08:12because they benefited from the China price, meaning that, uh, the, the, the, the, the domestic monetary inflation didn't translate into a, a consumer price inflation,
00:08:24uh, thanks to the fact that China was, was exporting cheap, um, locally produced goods to the United States.
00:08:33Well, now, uh, you know, obviously the United States has been brought to a point where it has to, it has to redress that.
00:08:42And there's willingness politically from the side of the, um, Trump administration to actually go through with it.
00:08:50But, uh, it seems to me that they didn't, they didn't think things through correctly, that didn't pace themselves.
00:08:57They, they, they, they gambled on, uh, running a bluff by China and, uh, they gambled on, on the notion that the Chinese are,
00:09:06we're going to, uh, find all this intimidating and that they were going to find themselves in a superior negotiating positions.
00:09:14Well, that didn't happen.
00:09:15The Chinese called their bluff.
00:09:17Uh, they responded with reciprocal, reciprocal measures.
00:09:21Uh, and so now, uh, somebody has to climb back from this escalation.
00:09:27And it seems to me that for Trump and his team, this is particularly painful because they don't like to admit that they are, uh, that they have been wrong, that they have, uh, blundered.
00:09:40And so we'll see, we'll see what happens.
00:09:43But obviously, uh, uh, uh, it is clear now that China is in a stronger position, uh, economically, but also geopolitically.
00:09:55Uh, and then it's clear that China is, uh, closely coordinating their, uh, moves with Russia and with Iran.
00:10:04And I think that, uh, uh, the Trump administration will have to, in one way or another, go back with a blank sheet of paper with their hat in their hand and say, Hey, can we get along?
00:10:22Let's, uh, let's, uh, let's try to do this.
00:10:25So everybody is happy.
00:10:28Do you see that the main objective was China and all the other tariffs on other countries were just a sideshow of sideshow for what they were doing?
00:10:39Or they really meant the way that they were putting tariffs on every, each and every country on this planet.
00:10:47You see, I'm not even sure Nima, it, it, it, it appears to be this way, but you know, China is a unified sovereign country with which Donald Trump should be able to.
00:11:01Uh, to, uh, make deals, negotiate, discuss, and come to an understanding.
00:11:08Um, on the other hand, you have the European union and it seems to me that, uh, Trump is particularly keen on confronting the European union and actually, uh, seeing the end of it.
00:11:23And, uh, the more I look, the more, it seems to me that this is almost always part of the, part of the policy.
00:11:29Uh, you see, uh, a lot of Europe, the bulk of European exports go to, uh, the United States and the UK.
00:11:43And much of these experts, uh, go to the United States via China because the, the, the Europe, many European manufacturers outsource their production to China.
00:11:56Um, you know, they slapped their brands on it, uh, they say designed in Germany designed in France, but it's made in China.
00:12:03And so that goes to China as well, effectively European exports.
00:12:08And so, uh, confronting China is, uh, an indirect way of also confronting Europe and, uh, the, the, the, the, the terrorists that they slept slept on European union.
00:12:22He's been talking about this since, um, since early March, actually, you know, it's not, it's, it's not something that happened on the liberation day.
00:12:32And then I also see that, uh, for some reason, the, the U S dollar depreciated against, uh, the Euro by not exactly 10%, but around 9%.
00:12:47So even with these sanctions paused, all of a sudden, in a space of a few weeks, we have the dollar, which is now trading at, at, at around one Euro, uh, sorry, Euro, which is trading at $1 14 cents.
00:13:02Whereas about three weeks ago, it was trading at, uh, $1 and 4 cents.
00:13:08So just like that, all of the European exports to the United States became around 9% more expensive.
00:13:16Whereas all the U S exports, uh, going to Europe became 9% cheaper.
00:13:22And that's, you know, that's not even tariffs, uh, when tariffs come into play, it's going to be even worse.
00:13:29And then, uh, you know, there's the, there's the question of bombing of Yemen, which, you know, this wasn't your question, but I think it's related because, you know, I watched, uh, about a week ago, you had a disc panel discussion with, uh, Colonel Wilkerson, uh, Chas Freeman.
00:13:51And, uh, was it, was it Ray McGovern?
00:13:56Professor Morandi.
00:13:57Oh yes.
00:13:58Professor Morandi.
00:13:59That's right.
00:14:00And I, you know, since ever since this, uh, operation, um, rough rider began in, in, in the middle of March, I thought, this is so completely stupid.
00:14:11I cannot even imagine that they're doing this because they've been bombing Yemen for 10 years.
00:14:16Now, you know, the Saudis have, the British have, the Israelis have, the Americans have, we had 16 months of this, uh, operation prosperity guardian.
00:14:26They bombed and bombed and bombed and nothing happened.
00:14:29And now, uh, comes Trump with the operation rough rider and they bombed some more.
00:14:34And again, nothing happens.
00:14:36And I thought, couldn't you have guessed after 10 years of bombing these Yemenis, that nothing would happen, that you would not be able to achieve your objectives.
00:14:43Why are you doing this?
00:14:45Well, uh, you remember, uh, Larry Wilkerson was talking about the tabletop exercise that they conducted with CENTCOM and AFRICOM and the Pentagon and the whole bunch of, uh, other American national security agencies and, uh, European national security agencies.
00:15:03And they came to the conclusion that the Red Sea was the quote unquote global hub of competitiveness.
00:15:10And this was, this absolutely had to become a strategic focus for the Western powers.
00:15:15And that's when they started setting up their bases in Djibouti and created the AFRICOM and all of these things.
00:15:22So they obviously, uh, gave great importance to this trade route.
00:15:28And, uh, up until the 15th of March, this trade route was open to European trade.
00:15:35And since the beginning of the, um, operation rough rider, uh, Red Sea has been close to European trade.
00:15:46And the bulk of all the, all the trade that goes through the Red Sea is Europe's trade.
00:15:52And that makes up, uh, what did Larry Wilkerson say?
00:15:5655 to 60% of all of the world's trade that goes through that.
00:16:03And most of it is Europe's.
00:16:05It's only 3% American trade that goes there.
00:16:08So this seems to me, whether by design or by accident, another way to kneecap Europe again.
00:16:17So, you know, we had, um, we had the blow up of North stream too.
00:16:22That wasn't the Trump administration, but nevertheless, it's, it's, it, there's a certain continuity of us policy there.
00:16:30Then we have the tariffs.
00:16:32Then we have the, the, the, the, the Ukraine war, which they were, they've been completely cut out of the loop from that.
00:16:40Then we have American imposing 5% of the GDP for the defense spending.
00:16:46Now we have this operation rough rider that, that, that interrupted Europe straight through the Red Sea.
00:16:52And, uh, and now we have this currency manipulation.
00:16:56Well, I, I think it's currency manipulation because it's not very often the, uh, a major currency, uh, changes valuation by so much in only two or three weeks time.
00:17:09So whatever, whatever the reason is, it seems to me that Europe is maybe the main target of the, of the Trump administration, because everything they do ends up making the situation for the Europeans, uh, worse.
00:17:25When you, you, you talk about Europe and we know that Spain right now is doing something moving and talking with China, but how about the other countries?
00:17:42Do you think that they, do they feel that they're just, their survival is at risk?
00:17:48Uh, which countries are you referring to?
00:17:53I'm, I'm, I'm talking about Europe.
00:17:54Do they really feel that their survival is at risk right now?
00:17:58Because we know that if, as time goes by the situation, the competition between the United States and, and China would worsen, is not going to get better and improved.
00:18:10And what would be the position of Europe?
00:18:13As we saw Scott Besson said that they're gonna, they're gonna cut your throat.
00:18:20And this is the way that the United States, United States is not just talking about China.
00:18:26They're talking about themselves.
00:18:28If you go that way, we know how to deal with you.
00:18:31What is the, the way out for Europe?
00:18:35What is the solution for Europe?
00:18:37Well, I think the first thing that's a solution is to get rid of, uh, Ursula von der Leyen, and, and this whole European commission.
00:18:45And I, I would take it a step further.
00:18:47I would say that the European, uh, Union as it is constituted today has to disintegrate.
00:18:53And I think that inevitably we are going in that direction.
00:18:59Uh, we've seen that the American administration, the Trump administration,
00:19:04it's kind of supportive of these, of the, all, all these sovereignist movements in, in Europe.
00:19:10Uh, you know, Marine Le Pen and, uh, IFD in Germany and, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Kalin Georgescu in Romania.
00:19:18And I think that they will be able, oh, Georgia Meloni in Italy, not to mention.
00:19:23And I think that, uh, the Americans would prefer to have, uh, good constructive relationships with Germany,
00:19:32with France, with Britain, with Romania, with Poland, with, with each country, uh, individually of its own,
00:19:41rather than dealing with the European, uh, commission and, and, and other structures of the European Union,
00:19:48which is, as it is, I think that they are completely lost because for the last 10 years,
00:19:55they have been obsessed with net zero policies and Ukraine.
00:20:01They haven't thought about anything else. It doesn't seem they are complete.
00:20:05You know, this whole thing I, I just discussed about, uh, uh, the, the war in the red sea,
00:20:11the United States bombing Yemen.
00:20:14I don't think that the, the, the European commission,
00:20:19Ursula von der Leyen and Kaya Callas, any of them, I don't think they even read this even registered with them
00:20:26that this is a massive problem for Europe.
00:20:29I don't think that they know how to deal with the United States and with tariffs.
00:20:33They have the whole business model of Europe, Europe has been based on getting uninterrupted,
00:20:41abundant flows of cheap Russian energy and then exporting finished, uh, goods of European industries, uh, to the United States.
00:20:54And now, you know, they cut off the flow of energy from Russia.
00:20:59And now the Trump administration is cutting off their access to the American markets.
00:21:06And they have no idea what to do. It doesn't seem to me.
00:21:09And so they are in a completely reactive mode.
00:21:13Oh, tariffs. So, uh, we're going to respond with our own tariffs.
00:21:17That's about it. There is no plan B. The, the, the only, the only, the only plan that they have is, uh,
00:21:24investing into rearmament with a view of going to war against Russia, uh, at the end of this decade.
00:21:31And so now they're stumped. They don't know how to, how to run a, uh, an economic policy.
00:21:37And the monetary policy, all they have is printing money and more money and more money.
00:21:42And so it, it, it completely doesn't work. You know, this is, this is like an orchestra where nobody knows what they're supposed to be playing.
00:21:52Everybody's harping on their own instrument in whichever way they see fit.
00:21:57And, and the whole result is a mess and a jumble. It's completely directionless.
00:22:02And I think that it will, there's a risk that we go into the kind of disintegration that we saw, um, in, with the, with the French Revolution that we end up, uh, you know, in Germany, in Britain, in France, uh, that we end up seeing a civil war.
00:22:24Uh, and that, uh, transition to whatever comes next is going to bleed, be bloody and violent.
00:22:33You've mentioned Georgescu. Here is what he said with Tucker Carlson.
00:22:37But you know, that was, uh, for the intervention and, um, particularly from, um, from Secretary of State Blinken, that he intervened in the elections and simply, uh, dictate, um, what the system has to do.
00:22:56And we, it's absolutely, uh, you know, everybody knows about this situation, including, of course, President Macron and, um, Maya Sandu from Moldova as well. They intervened.
00:23:15Um, but the most important was, uh, Secretary of State Blinken.
00:23:20What did he do and say that affected your election and Romanian politics?
00:23:26Well, simply was, um, they, an intervention. They don't, uh, very clear. They don't need, um, um, free Romania.
00:23:37Uh, to be mentioned that, um, the largest, uh, military base of NATO is, um, is, uh, in Romania.
00:23:48Probably you know about that.
00:23:49Yes.
00:23:50And, of course, they want to, um, uh, to, to launch the World War III from Romania.
00:24:02And with this situation, of course, um, they can involve, um, all Europe and also United States.
00:24:11So, these, they have interest. They have interest in war.
00:24:15Yeah.
00:24:16It's, it's mind blowing that he says that they want to start the World War III from Romania.
00:24:22Your take, Alex?
00:24:23Uh, well, that doesn't surprise me one bit.
00:24:26And in fact, I think he's completely right.
00:24:28Um, uh, you know, the, this is a centuries old obsession from, uh, Western powers, uh, to dominate the Eurasian landmass.
00:24:43And to dominate the Eurasian landmass, they absolutely cannot have, uh, rival hegemons there locally.
00:24:50So, you know, uh, powers like, uh, Russia, China, India, Iran, they have to be cut down to size.
00:24:58And so, that's why they have this, uh, blind obsession with a regime changing Russia and partitioning it, which is what they have tried to do already in the 1990s.
00:25:11When they had, um, um, Boris Yeltsin there in power, Russia really came to the verge of disintegrating.
00:25:20Already, the, the individual republics of, uh, of the Russian Federation were no longer paying, uh, paying revenues into the federal, uh, budget.
00:25:30Uh, the, uh, local governors were not obeying, uh, legal requests from the, from, from Moscow.
00:25:40And this is what the West, uh, has deliberately created.
00:25:45And then, you know, there's also the, the, the access to, uh, Russian, uh, natural resource wealth,
00:25:52which is considered to be the largest of any other country in the world, estimated between 75 and 90 trillion, um, uh, US dollars worth.
00:26:02Uh, so how do you, how do you take all this when you can't defeat Russia militarily?
00:26:12Uh, already, you know, more than a century ago, Halford Mackinder, um, made his proposal.
00:26:20And he said that, uh, the pivot power, which we now, now know is, is Russia would be surrounded by so many beach heads,
00:26:29uh, all from the, you know, from its Western borders down South, all the way to the Koreas.
00:26:35And Halford Mackinder named, uh, Italy, France, uh, Egypt, India, and Korea as those beach heads.
00:26:45Of course, over the last 100 years, the geography has changed.
00:26:49So, you know, uh, now you have Israel in the Mediterranean, you have Ukraine, you have Romania, you have Georgia.
00:26:57Uh, it doesn't, it doesn't matter so much, uh, which country it is.
00:27:03What matters is that you dominate those countries and that you are able to leverage them to continually, um, impose wars on the pivot power, i.e. on Russia.
00:27:17And to continuously weaken it with a view of eventually being able to destabilize it, regime change it,
00:27:25and then put your own kind of Boris Yeltsin or Juan Guaido or, uh, you know, uh, Boris Nemtsov or Alexei Navalny into the Kremlin,
00:27:38who is going to do what you tell them to do, like Zelensky is doing today in, in, uh, in Kiev, what the British tell him to do.
00:27:48Uh, so then, if that happened, then you would be able to use Russia as a bludgeon against China in the same way that today they're using Ukraine as a bludgeon against Russia.
00:28:02And then all of the Russian military might, all of their weaponry, uh, would become theirs to use against other regional hegemons.
00:28:14Uh, primarily against China, but then also you could use it against, uh, India, you could use it against Pakistan,
00:28:21you could use it against Iran or whoever you choose.
00:28:24And so the obsession to take down Russia is not going to go away.
00:28:30Even when they run out of the last Ukrainian, they're going to try to, uh, use, uh, Romania and Moldova and Georgia and Poland and the Baltic states.
00:28:41And so, uh, you know, if, if along, along comes some culling Georgescu who says,
00:28:49Hey, you know, it's not in our interest to really go to war against Russia and to build this massive military base that makes us a target.
00:28:57Uh, it would be much, much better for us to actually have a constructive cooperation, uh, as a, as a relationship with Russia and to trade with them.
00:29:07Uh, you know, mutually beneficial trade.
00:29:11Obviously this is, uh, this completely disables the plans of the Western powers.
00:29:18So they have to make sure that Kaling Georgescu never comes to power.
00:29:21Same with IFD in Germany for the same reason.
00:29:24They also want to have constructive cooperation, uh, as, as, as a way to relate to Russia.
00:29:31Same with Marine Le Pen, you know, she's been wobbling around a little bit,
00:29:36but her intents for a very long time has been to, uh, to deal with Russia in a bilateral way.
00:29:44That's, that's good for France and good for Russia.
00:29:47And so the, uh, the, the European powers now, uh, have to make sure that they prevent the popular pressures from bringing people to power who will,
00:30:05simply say no to this march to war.
00:30:10And the popular will is to stop the march to war.
00:30:14That's, there's no doubt about that.
00:30:15You know, we saw, we see that in, in Hungary.
00:30:18We saw that in Germany, I think that German elections, uh, probably were rigged, uh, to some degree.
00:30:24So to make sure that, uh, Friedrich Merz, uh, got to form the, the next cabinet.
00:30:31Uh, we saw it in Ukraine, uh, sorry, with, uh, in, in, um, in Romania.
00:30:37We also saw it in Croatia where the president of the country was, uh, lambasted in the media as a, as a Putin puppet.
00:30:46And he ended up winning something, uh, between 70 and 75% of the popular vote.
00:30:51Well, that makes it very, very hard to kind of try to, uh, unite the continent and to, uh, orchestrate the next big war,
00:31:05which they're planning for, uh, you know, the, the turn of the decade on 20, 2029, 2030.
00:31:14This is why they're using judges and lawfare to disable the real democracy in Europe.
00:31:24So today, Steve Witkoff went to Russia to talk with Russians.
00:31:29And we know that tomorrow they're gonna talk, Witkoff gonna talk that, with Iranians.
00:31:35Do you see that is related to what's going on in Ukraine or the talks tomorrow with Iran?
00:31:43How do you see that?
00:31:46I think it is related, Nima, and I think it's related whether, whether people acknowledge it or not.
00:31:52It's related because I, I always go back to the fact that, you know, they, they're, they're open and explicit about it,
00:32:00that the conflict we're experiencing, we're experiencing today is the conflict between two, uh, systems of governance.
00:32:10Uh, it's definitely a conflict between the European oligarchic, uh, system versus everybody else.
00:32:21Uh, independent nations, China, sovereign nations like, uh, like Iran, China, Russia, Belarus.
00:32:30They want to take them all down.
00:32:32And, uh, I, I, I am, I'm not convinced that the United States administration realizes this.
00:32:42Or if they do, it's not apparent in, in, in what they say in the way they act, because, you know, when it comes to, when it comes to Russia, they're no longer, uh, doing the bidding of the Western Empire.
00:32:58When it comes to Iran, they are doing the bidding of the Western Empire.
00:33:02So that seems, uh, incoherent.
00:33:05It, it seems contradictory.
00:33:07And I think that they will run into very, very stiff opposition.
00:33:12I would, I would certainly expect that Witkoff will, uh, discuss Iran with the Russians because, uh, what they have in common with the Russians is that, uh, neither the Russians nor the Americans want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
00:33:28But, you know, they have that in common with the Iranians themselves because the Iranians don't want to have a nuclear weapon either.
00:33:34So that shouldn't be a problem.
00:33:37But it seems to me that there's a, there's a fairly strong political faction in the United States that is still daydreaming about, uh, using Israel to, uh, cement an undisputed hegemony over the, uh,
00:33:57Germany over the, over the Middle East by taking down Iran.
00:34:00So if they took down Iran, they think that, all right, then we are the Israelis, we completely dominate the region and then it's going to be whatever we say.
00:34:09And we're going to be the new sheriff in town.
00:34:11And, uh, you know, it's going to be a thousand year empire there, uh, that we're going to run.
00:34:17Uh, even Steve Witkoff in a way has voiced those opinions.
00:34:24So, uh, are these head fakes or do they actually mean it?
00:34:28I can't say, you know, because I'm not even, I can't really decide whether the Trump administration have thought things through and they know what they're doing or they know at least what they want to achieve there or whether they're making it up as they go along.
00:34:47And it's not a trivial question because, you know, if you, if you start from the premise that they have thought things through, that they have a strategy, that they know what they want to achieve.
00:34:57Then you can kind of guess what their logical policy should be, what the next step would be, uh, why they're, why they're escalating against Yemen, why they're arranging all this arsenal to bring down on, on Iran.
00:35:12Uh, but if, if they're making it up as they go along, then anything is possible.
00:35:19They, you know, they, you can't guess what, where they going with this.
00:35:24And so I, uh, I think that of course, Witkoff will try and the Trump administration, they will try to, uh, get Russia to, uh, lean on the Iranians to give up their nuclear, nuclear program, to give up their missiles, uh, whatever they want them to do.
00:35:47To promise not to come to Iran's aid, to not supply them air defenses, uh, radars, whatever, you know, Iran might need.
00:35:58Um, but I very much doubt that this is going to have any effect because again, you know, if you help the Western empire, uh, contain Iran, then you're going to help them strengthen.
00:36:14And they are still your enemy.
00:36:17You're going to, you're going to help an enemy win a very important battle in a very important region.
00:36:23So I very much doubt that the, the Russians and the Chinese are going to cooperate in this.
00:36:28So I think that the only thing that the Americans are going to find in Iran is a defeat.
00:36:34It's, it's once more, Persia is going to be the graveyard of Western empires.
00:36:39I, I don't see a way that they can avoid that.
00:36:43And then, you know, I'm, I'm kind of, um, encouraged that Trump is in engaged in indirect talks with the Iranians and that he is not coordinating those talks with Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israelis.
00:36:57And that he said, if we take the military option, it's going to be led by the Israelis, Israelis are going to be the leaders on this, which means that Israelis are going to be responsible for the fallout and for all the consequences that might, uh, might, uh, happen if they decide to try and attack the Iranians.
00:37:19So it's a, it's very difficult for me to say what the administration is doing.
00:37:24And I'm, I'm guessing, you know, are they, do they have a strategy or are they making it up as they go along?
00:37:31Uh, the fact that Trump speaks with Xi Jinping on the regular and the fact that they speak with the Russians on the regular, uh, to me is an encouragement because.
00:37:42You know, even the, even the, even the, even the, if, if, if they are in over their heads, they're going to learn something about the new situation in the Western Asia.
00:37:54And the fact that Iran is not the same Iran that it, that was there 30 years ago, that it has a strong alliances with Russia and with China, that it has been designated by China as a, as a, as a, as an anchor of the, of the, uh,
00:38:11security architecture for Western Asia.
00:38:14And that it now has a defensive and offensive weaponry against which, uh, neither the Americans nor the Israelis have obvious defenses.
00:38:23Alex, it's so amazing to me that the Trump administration is trying to do the same that the Biden administration was trying to do in the case of Ukraine.
00:38:34They were trying to make communications with Chinese, not to support Russia and Ukraine, which we know that China's main interest is Russia defeating the United States in Ukraine.
00:38:49And right now it's not about Russia.
00:38:52It's about China itself.
00:38:54It's, it's, it's their interest in Ukraine.
00:38:58And right now with the case of Iran, they're trying to do the same.
00:39:02It now is the Trump administration trying to somehow communicate and give some sort of, I don't know, try to manipulate, play around with the case of Ukraine in order to convince Russia.
00:39:16If you cooperate with us in Iran, you're going to benefit Russia knows that Russia knows this game from Ukraine.
00:39:25How is it these people in power?
00:39:30It seems so much simplistic the way that they're.
00:39:33Yes.
00:39:34Yes.
00:39:35I agree.
00:39:36And it's in me to me, it seems so dumb that I have to stand back and think like, wait a minute, they can't be that dumb.
00:39:43They, this has got to be, you know, they have to be pretending, which, you know, maybe they are, but maybe they're not.
00:39:52I don't know, but for, for Russia, this is existential.
00:39:57I think that for China is existential as well, because if they took down Iran, if they made it managed to eventually take down Russia, which they will try.
00:40:06You know, let's not forget that the Western powers have sponsored HTS and Al Qaeda and Al Nusra and all of these terror organizations, that they're still cultivating them, that they are now, you know, that they have now taken over Syria.
00:40:25If they managed to take down Iran, then all of these terror networks would, their next target will be Russia.
00:40:32One hundred percent, you know, Dagestan, Chechnya, Kyrgyzstan, all of these, all of these nations would again become reactivated as, as new hotspots to destabilize Russia, to impose a terror threat to Russia, threat of separatism in, in Dagestan and Chechnya again.
00:40:55So there's no way that for some little bribe, the Russians will say like, ah, yes, okay, you are the highest bidder.
00:41:06We're going to just let these Iranians go right down the river and we're going to do better business with you guys.
00:41:13The Russians understand what they're up against.
00:41:17And again, you know, it's a conflict of two systems of governance, which means that it doesn't matter who's in the White House now.
00:41:24Maybe they can get along with Trump and his team really nicely and maybe they can like each other.
00:41:30But that doesn't mean that the, the real source of power in the United States, which is the same source of power in London and in Paris and in Berlin and in Stockholm and in Tokyo and in Warsaw and so forth,
00:41:45is still going to be pushing policy in the direction of winning back hegemony over the Eurasian landmass.
00:41:54And that the next presidential elections, you might have another Joe Biden in the White House.
00:42:01So you can't be transactional about this, you have to be strategic about this.
00:42:06And the strategy has to be to defeat the Western Empire once and for all.
00:42:12And where does the Trump administration stand on this issue?
00:42:17I don't really know.
00:42:19I don't really know because while they're doing things right vis-a-vis Ukraine, in the Middle East they're doing everything wrong.
00:42:31So we'll find out.
00:42:35But I think that inevitably they will, they will not be able to prevail.
00:42:42They will not, you know, in the same way that they, the defeat of the West in Ukraine is inevitable,
00:42:48so is the defeat of the West in the Middle East.
00:42:51That will happen, whether it'll be more bloody or less bloody is, is another question.
00:43:00But a defeat is coming their way 100%.
00:43:03And I think that the Russians and the Chinese who are looking to end this 200 way, 200 year continuity of permanent wars,
00:43:15permanent instabilities so that the West could maintain hegemony over the region.
00:43:19They want to replace it with permanent peace, which means that they have to push the Western interests and Western hegemony out of the region.
00:43:27And so I don't think that Trump can reverse that.
00:43:32And he can certainly not reverse it by bribing the local leaders or, or by trying to charm them into,
00:43:38Hey, you know, do a deal with us.
00:43:42You know, we're gonna, we're gonna have nice things for you.
00:43:48That doesn't work anymore.
00:43:51The situation, by the way, as you've mentioned in the Middle East, I think is of huge importance for China,
00:43:59because the stability of the Middle East is important in terms of the energy that they're getting from the Middle East.
00:44:06We know that all these Arab states are too much dependent on the United States that they,
00:44:12they're not able to make any sort of move against the United States.
00:44:17And Turkey is in the process of being neutralized.
00:44:22And somehow they're neutralizing Turkey in Syria.
00:44:26They know what's going on with Turkey.
00:44:29And I think for many years to come Syria is, would be the main source of chaos in the region.
00:44:37But are they going to be, are they going to be able to deal with the same sort of situation in Iran?
00:44:43Is that because as you've mentioned, Iran is not Syria is not.
00:44:49If they go to Iran, they're going to lose.
00:44:53In my opinion, they're going to lose big and faster than they have ever thought about this competition between the United States and China.
00:45:02That would be the end.
00:45:04I don't know how they're trying to manage that.
00:45:07And China knows what's at stake with the kiss of Iran.
00:45:11Yes, I think, Neema, I 100% agree.
00:45:17You know, Iran has had almost 30 years to prepare for this.
00:45:23They knew this was coming, that the clash with the empire was coming.
00:45:26They prepared themselves.
00:45:28They developed the weaponry that they need to confront the United States and to confront Israel.
00:45:35They have developed defenses.
00:45:37They have, you know, signed a comprehensive partnership agreements with Russia and with China.
00:45:45And let's not forget that the empire tried to take over Afghanistan and they remained in Afghanistan for 20 years.
00:45:58And they took Afghanistan easily because there was Taliban there.
00:46:02They didn't have, you know, much in terms of defensive weaponry.
00:46:06It was, as they said, it was a cakewalk for the West.
00:46:10But nevertheless, they lost.
00:46:13So I think that in the case of Iran, not only would they lose, I think that they would be ejected from the region completely in a very short order.
00:46:23I think that most of their naval assets there would be sunk.
00:46:28Most of their military bases there would be set on fire and destroyed.
00:46:33And I think that Israel would sustain such debilitating blows there that they would not be able to recover from that.
00:46:44But who was it recently that was saying that the Iraqis were making a calculation that even if Israel launches a nuclear attack on Iraq, that Iraq would be able to continue fighting for another two to three years and that the damage that they would inflict on Israel would be irreversible.
00:47:13That Israel would not be able to recover from that.
00:47:16That was Iraq 30 years ago under Saddam Hussein.
00:47:21Iran is much, much, much more powerful.
00:47:25Iran also commands a certain loyalty, not blind obedience, but a certain loyalty of a number of proxy forces in Iraq, of Hezbollah in Lebanon, which still hasn't been defeated.
00:47:42They talk about having defeated Hezbollah, they haven't, of Hamas and of the Houthis in Yemen.
00:47:51And so an attempt to defeat Iran militarily would probably have devastating effects on the region.
00:48:04You know, Jordan would probably fall.
00:48:06The political vacuum in Syria would probably quickly be filled by Iranian forces, if not Iran itself, then Iranian proxies.
00:48:22And I think that Syrian domestic resistance movements and the remnants of the Syrian Arab army that are still there and that are still striking at the HTH militants as we speak now would then gain in strength and they would come up in the open and they would probably on a very short order win back the loyalty of the Syrian people.
00:48:49So I think that the situation now, as far as Israel is concerned, is a house of cards and the United States cannot change that.
00:49:01And I think that in the case of an attack on Iran, this house of cards would collapse very, very quickly.
00:49:10And I think that maybe this is the reason why the Trump administration decided to hold talks with the Iranians and why Trump said, well, if it comes to the military option, the Israelis are going to be owning that one.
00:49:24And it was so amazing that he said that if we're going to attack Iran, Israel is going to lead.
00:49:34Yes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.
00:49:36Because he doesn't want to own the fallout because the fallout is going to be absolutely awful.
00:49:42And so you can't say afterwards, oh, we did this.
00:49:47No, it's going to be like the Israelis did it.
00:49:49We tried to stop them.
00:49:50They wouldn't listen.
00:49:51So, you know, this is on them now because, you know, you know that it's going to be a disaster.
00:49:57Alex, do you see Russia because right now it seems that Europe doesn't help itself in terms of the conflict in Ukraine.
00:50:12But how do you see Russia seeing Europe?
00:50:15And do you think that they're reassessing, reevaluating the case of Europe?
00:50:22What do they think about Europe right now in your opinion?
00:50:29Yeah.
00:50:31Alex is going to be back in a minute.
00:50:33I apologize, Nima.
00:50:34I'm sorry.
00:50:35I had a cough attack, so I didn't hear your question.
00:50:37Can you please?
00:50:38Yeah, my question is right now Europe and the way that they're trying to deal with the case of Ukraine.
00:50:45And it doesn't seem that Russia and just considering what the Trump administration, which was surprising to me that the way that they're supporting Zelensky.
00:50:57I don't see any point behind this sort of attitude.
00:51:00But how does Russia sees Europe?
00:51:03How does Russia see Europe today?
00:51:06Do they really believe that they can have some sort of relationship in the near future?
00:51:13Because I don't know if you learned that Europe is talking about Macron being the representative of Europe in the talks with Russia.
00:51:22I think Macron is nobody for Russia.
00:51:25Russia doesn't believe in anything that Macron says.
00:51:28I think that Macron will be very lucky if he doesn't meet the guillotine some years down the road.
00:51:37You know, he does not have democratic legitimacy in France.
00:51:41He acts like a clown, you know.
00:51:48One day he says this, the next day he says the opposite.
00:51:52Macron is really making it up as he's going along.
00:51:55He, I think, desperately wants to be some kind of a senior wise statesman leading Europe forward.
00:52:07And he smells this opportunity because everybody else is even worse.
00:52:12You know, Schultz, Meretz, Keir Starmer and so forth.
00:52:16So, you know, France is probably, as far as Western Europe is concerned, the most robust power there.
00:52:31Because it's the only one that doesn't have US military bases on its territory.
00:52:36And it's the only one who has its own military industry that's, you know, pretty much autonomous.
00:52:43They can produce what they need themselves.
00:52:46And they have their own nuclear arsenal, which is, you know, they have sovereign power over the use of that nuclear arsenal.
00:53:02But Macron himself, I think, is a spent power.
00:53:07He shouldn't be the president to begin with.
00:53:10I think that he's extremely unpopular in France.
00:53:13And, you know, in the secondhand information from military circles in France is that they see the most likely outcome of the current political situation in France is a civil war.
00:53:31So people in the military circles in France are preparing for a civil war, which is why I said that he can count himself lucky if he hasn't been guillotined some years down the road from here.
00:53:44I think that in Europe, the democratic processes are going to have to impose themselves and to sweep these governments out of power and to bring back, you know, governments like, you know, government of Charles de Gaulle, like what we have now in Slovakia and in Hungary.
00:54:09Governments that are going to be defending their nation's sovereignty, that are going to be looking for a way out of the European Union, that are going to bring back national currencies so they can take control of their economic and financial policies and monetary policies.
00:54:30And then they can deal with other powers on a bilateral basis and in that case, you know, you will see individual nations having talks with the Russian government and formulating their relationship on a one to one basis.
00:54:49And a hundred percent the Russians will always be open to those kinds of discussions and negotiations.
00:54:56And then, you know, let's not forget that there's this, you know, the reason why Ukraine and Iran are so important to China as well is because China is committed to this Belt and Road project and to the multipolar integrations and to creating a completely new security architecture for the whole continent.
00:55:22And let's not forget that one of the earliest formulation of these multipolar integrations has been from Vladimir Putin, who said, who was proposing a common market from Lisbon to Vladivostok and in the process of integration that would take the whole Eurasian continent together.
00:55:45And I think that as European leadership sobers up, that is, they will not sober up, but other people will come to power, they will realize that there's a great deal of upside in talking to the Russians, to the Chinese, to the Iranians, to the Indians, forging economic business relationships and trade,
00:56:12and joining the BRICS and joining the BRICS and the Belt and Road initiative rather than investing trillions of euros into defense industries and building up armies and preparing for a big war.
00:56:27So there's a huge downside in going with this one system of governance, you know, what Macron's and Merkel's and Merkel's of this world are driving for, versus going for constructive cooperation, which is, you know, what the Russians and the Chinese are proposing.
00:56:48Their hand is extended. It'll have to wait until there are mature governments in European capitals who can reciprocate in good faith.
00:56:59And I think that that is coming because this is what the people want. And I think it'll be very, very difficult to try to convince the people of Europe that their best bet is to go to war against Russia.
00:57:13And even, you know, even you can see that even the propaganda, even the demonization of Russia is now becoming a challenge because, you know, they've been demonizing Russia and Vladimir Putin for 20 years solid now.
00:57:26And so how do you, how do you escalate from there? So they started talking about this, you know, Vladimir Putin taking a bath in blood of deers extracted from their antlers.
00:57:39And they're serious about this, but nobody's buying it. Nobody's believing it.
00:57:44So how do you, how do you make somebody even more evil than that? You know, killing tens of thousands of deers so he could have a bath in their body.
00:57:56So it's going to be very, very difficult. I think that, I think that we have a real chance to move in the different directions to correct course and to move into peace and prosperity for, you know, not just now, but for generations forward.
00:58:14And that's definitely a better future than World War Three on the old continent.
00:58:21Alex, here is what the Chinese expert said, Victor Gao said to the British reporter.
00:58:31In this scenario, to use your metaphor, the U.S. has the bigger gun. And so China ends up having more to lose from this trade war, doesn't it?
00:58:40You know, it can't sustain the loss of 15 percent of its export market, i.e. what you export to the U.S.
00:58:46Not at all. China is fully prepared to fight to the very end because the world is big enough that the United States is not the totality of the market in the world.
00:58:57So if the United States wants to go in that direction of completely shutting itself out of the China market, be my guest.
00:59:05Yeah, and China will lose the U.S. market, which, as I've said, is 15 percent.
00:59:08We don't care. We don't. We don't care. China has been here for five thousand years.
00:59:14Most of the time, there was no United States and we survived.
00:59:18And if the United States wants to bully China, we will deal with the situation without the United States.
00:59:24And we expect to survive for another five thousand years.
00:59:28I hope there are people in the United States who listen to this guy and understand what he's talking about.
00:59:36Yeah, I think that was that was absolutely brilliant.
00:59:41And I don't even think that the United States is 15 percent of Chinese exports.
00:59:48I think it's something between three and 10 percent.
00:59:52I'm not sure I've come across a variety of figures, but I think 15 percent is an obsolete figure or it's somebody's wishful thinking.
01:00:03It's not even that much. And then, you know, China's strategy has been to develop the Global South to raise these countries out of poverty in the same way that they have raised eight hundred and fifty million Chinese out of poverty.
01:00:21To make them affluent consumers so that they could afford goods and services made in China.
01:00:30They're, you know, they're setting themselves as the global manufacturing superpower.
01:00:36The United States has been an important market in this respect, but I think the United States overestimates their importance in the world.
01:00:46It's it's this is no longer the unipolar moment. This is long gone.
01:00:51And so I think that the Chinese are quite right to say, OK, fine, you know, you want to you want to deal in bad faith.
01:01:00You want to deal with the ultimatums and threats.
01:01:03We're just going to we're just going to go on our way.
01:01:08We're going to move forward without you. And thank you very much. That's it.
01:01:12You're sorry, you're muted.
01:01:18Alex, do you think the problem of Europe is coming from the United States, as Georgescu was talking about, or as I do believe is coming from the United Kingdom?
01:01:28Because their ego doesn't fit their body and the way that they're talking about, they're capable of doing this and doing that.
01:01:38And they're manipulating the situation in Europe in terms of Russia and China both.
01:01:43And we know that they're manipulating the situation, the position of Europe in the Middle East as well, with the case of Gaza, with the case of Iran.
01:01:51I think I see total influence of the British government on the on Europe.
01:01:57Yes, well, absolutely.
01:02:00There's something quite mysterious about that. I don't quite understand it.
01:02:05You know, very recently in February of this year, the British government signed a military cooperation agreement with the government of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
01:02:16Okay.
01:02:17Bosnia and Herzegovina is a republic of former Yugoslavia, right?
01:02:22So it's in the Balkans.
01:02:24They are, you know, the whole country, Bosnia and Herzegovina is constituted of the Muslims, Croats and Serbs. Serbs are Orthodox, Croats are Catholic.
01:02:40So it's a mix.
01:02:42The government in Sarajevo is dominated by the Muslim faction, right?
01:02:50It's a Muslim canton in Sarajevo.
01:02:52And so, you know, the fact that they signed a military cooperation agreement with Great Britain, it really mystifies me.
01:03:01I can't imagine why.
01:03:02It would make sense to me if they signed a military cooperation agreement with, let's say, Turkey, a fellow Muslim nation.
01:03:11Or even with Croatia, because, you know, the Croats and Muslims in Bosnia used to be allied against the Serbs together until the British destroyed that alliance.
01:03:25And so here you have a government in the middle of the Balkans signing a military cooperation agreement with the government of Great Britain, which militarily is a joke.
01:03:38So they're not doing it because Britain is this great military power that will help them, help strengthen them strategically.
01:03:48They cannot do that.
01:03:50They're not fellow Muslims that they don't they don't have anything at all in common.
01:03:56So why are you signing a military cooperation agreement with Britain of all of all, you know, not NATO, not the United States, not Turkey, not even Albania or Kosovo or, you know, somebody that makes some kind of a sense, but Britain.
01:04:13And so obviously Britain has some means of influence.
01:04:21And I think that the British means of influence.
01:04:24So if you talk to Bosnian politicians and people who are in the know of very, very complex and complicated Bosnian politics, they will tell you that the British are the dominant power in Bosnia, that Bosnia is crawling with British spies.
01:04:44I think that Britain's strength is several fold.
01:04:50I think that they have they're dominating the financial systems of the world still because all these politicians, because let's let's remember Britain also has military cooperation agreements outside of the scope of NATO also with Sweden, with France, with Poland, with Ukraine.
01:05:12I believe also with Turkey.
01:05:16So somehow these policymakers in all these countries must somehow be incentivized because they're not saying let's have an agreement with the Brits because they are the most powerful military in the world and that will help us shore up our strategic defense position.
01:05:35So it must be it must be money.
01:05:38Then they have a very extensive secret diplomacy and secret spy networks everywhere around the world.
01:05:50You know, I noticed during the COVID pandemic that Tony Blair at one point was boasting that, quote, we have teams embedded in all the governments around the world.
01:06:04He said that he was trying to make a point where that, you know, we can, you know, we can manage this COVID pandemic and the responses because we, you know, we have teams embedded in every government in the world.
01:06:17But, you know, he was probably giving away something important there, you know, he was running his mouth and he was telling us something important there.
01:06:25And then the British have a very well refined soft power in the sense that all of these countries where they have dominant influence, they all end up sending their, you know, all these key corrupt politicians end up having bank accounts in London.
01:06:45They end up having houses in London, they end up having their children enrolled in Oxford and Cambridge and other British schools, and then they go back and then they become influential in the local policies.
01:07:02And we've seen that with, for example, Radek Sikorsky in Poland, he was, he came to London, he went to Oxford, he became a member of the, of the Bullingdon club in London by invitation from Boris Johnson.
01:07:18And then after he was done with, after he was done with his studies, he was sent back to Poland where his political career, he had to even change his citizenship because he was a British, a British subject.
01:07:34And then he had to change his citizenship back to Polish. And then his political career took off like a rocket. And he became a very, very influential player, a player in Poland.
01:07:46He is now the foreign minister. He was a foreign minister before. He was also a defense minister of Poland. He was a member of the European Parliament.
01:07:54He completely reformed the Polish foreign ministry and made it made it like a, like a, like a global power with 100 offices around the world and so forth.
01:08:08And then we saw that he played a huge role in the, the Maidan coup in 2014 in, in Kiev, and that he has played a very important role.
01:08:22Poland has played a very important role in, in, in the Ukraine war. And Radek Sikorsky is still mixed up in all of that.
01:08:30Well, let's not forget that he is a, the agent of British power. And so, yes, you're absolutely right.
01:08:43That Britain still has very, very important influence in foreign policy, American foreign policy, Israeli foreign policy,
01:08:55um, Europe's foreign policy, uh, in Ukraine war, in Poland, in Sweden, in Germany.
01:09:07Uh, and I think that it's partly soft power. It's partly, uh, financial power.
01:09:14And it's partly, um, secret services and secret diplomacy that are in play because it's obviously not their military power.
01:09:24So it's these other powers. And I think that they have refined and perfected these levers of powers for, for the last 200 years.
01:09:34I think that in the very same way, they still hold a very, very strong influence over American foreign policy.
01:09:42And we've seen that over the years in, in, in a few, um, in a few episodes.
01:09:49And so, uh, that is your, you're, you're absolutely correct.
01:09:54And I think that, uh, that today is no longer such a mystery.
01:09:59I think that the, the, the, I think that the Russians, uh, I think, uh, Belarus, Iranians, Chinese, I think that they're perfectly aware of this.
01:10:09They, that they understand that, you know, the, the head of the parasite is still in the city of London.
01:10:15Thank you. Thank you so much, Alex, for being with us today. Great pleasure as always.
01:10:25Thank you, Nima. My pleasure. Uh, until the next time.
01:10:28See you soon. Bye-bye.
01:10:29Take care. Bye-bye.
01:10:30Take care. Bye-bye.
01:10:31Take care. Take care.