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πŸ’₯ Andrei Martyanov returns with a hard-hitting breakdown of NATO's internal collapse β€” a crisis hidden behind headlines and political spin.

On Dialogue Works, Martyanov reveals:
πŸ” Deep structural weaknesses within NATO
πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί Rising divisions between EU & U.S. interests
πŸ›‘ Military overstretch and economic pressure mounting
πŸ“‰ Why the alliance may not survive the decade

Is NATO facing a quiet implosion masked by loud rhetoric?
⚠️ Don’t miss this unfiltered look into the true state of Western military power.

πŸ‘‰ Like, comment, and subscribe for more uncensored geopolitical insight.

πŸ’₯ Andrei Martyanov returns with a hard-hitting breakdown of NATO's internal collapse β€” a crisis hidden behind headlines and political spin.

On Dialogue Works, Martyanov reveals:
πŸ” Deep structural weaknesses within NATO
πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί Rising divisions between EU & U.S. interests
πŸ›‘ Military overstretch and economic pressure mounting
πŸ“‰ Why the alliance may not survive the decade

Is NATO facing a quiet implosion masked by loud rhetoric?
⚠️ Don’t miss this unfiltered look into the true state of Western military power.

πŸ‘‰ Like, comment, and subscribe for more uncensored geopolitical insight.
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00:00Hi, everybody. Today is Wednesday, April 16th, 2025, and our friend Andrey Martianov is back
00:12with us. Welcome, Mike Andrey. My pleasure. Andrey, let's get started with what's going
00:18on with the last meeting between Vladimir Putin and Witkoff. Witkoff mentioned that it
00:27seems that they're talking about Ukraine and NATO. And do we know if they're
00:34talking about the security issue, the security architecture, and what's the
00:39importance of NATO and how deep from what we've been witnessing, from what we've
00:44learned so far, how deep they're negotiating on. Well, Witkoff kind of
00:51disclosed a little bit, leaked a little bit, and I think it was done for, you
00:57know, with some purpose. It wasn't accidental. As we discussed last time, and that
01:07obviously happened, then Witkoff met Vladimir Putin. They spoke about four and a
01:11half hours. I think one of the key points they discussed was Iran, obviously. They're
01:18not gonna disclose anything about it, but I'm pretty sure that bulk of this was
01:22occupied by discussion of Iran. And then, of course, yeah, what Mr. Witkoff stated about
01:30the NATO, Article 5, and all these things. He obviously rushed a little bit when he stated
01:36that we are on the verge. Well, Mr. Lavrov, no less, none other than Mr. Lavrov comes up
01:42after that with his interview to Comersant and pours some really serious amount of cold water on Mr.
01:49Witkoff optimism when saying, oh, we're nowhere near, but we are discussing those very difficult issues.
01:57And yes, Article 5, the structure of NATO, and how this will be, you know, played around what is,
02:07what was defeat already, military defeat of Ukraine. They throw in our 18-year-old kids and girls even.
02:12So, and it's just a matter of a couple months, maybe, when they will finish off killing the rest of them.
02:22After that, we will enter some kind of, well, maybe not a couple of months, but 25 will still be seen some combat,
02:30you know, it's inevitable. But right now, it is between Russia and United States, inevitably. And today, Mr. Narishkin,
02:41and SVR, Foreign Intelligence Services, no less, if you wish, and if you wish, which is sensational in a sense.
02:49And people say, oh, it's the top-notch trolling. Well, SVR, I mean, Foreign Intelligence Services is not exactly known for trolling,
02:58but when you have these statements issued by them, saying that, yeah, now it is United States and Russia who stand on the,
03:07in the defense of the normal world, while London and Britain should bear the responsibility for what they do.
03:15This is like, I was reading this this morning, like, oh, my God, this is unbelievable.
03:21So, you can kind of put together those things in perspective, and, yeah, Europe needs to be deconstructed.
03:29Trump administration probably understands, well, not Trump administration, Trump himself probably understands
03:37that his main enemies, who are, of course, Democratic National Committee, and globalist cabal, globalist mafia.
03:44They are, you know, basically placed, if you wish, or embedded, or have the roots in, well, yeah, London, Brussels, Davos.
03:58You know, this is all kinds of those globalist fanatics, and London is, yeah, one of those places which needs to be neutralized
04:07before any kind of the serious movements could be done in order to kind of restructure the, both European and,
04:15and when I say European, nobody cares, you know, what is the situation with Germany or Britain or France.
04:23European in application to Russia, you know, in terms of a European security and global one.
04:28And United States is facing the fork in the road right now, where it has two options, decline for them,
04:38and end up being, well, probably even disintegrating physically, because this is the torn country,
04:46or return back its legitimate place of the great power, one of the three great powers or superpowers,
04:56and we'll live with that, you know, just go from there. So, we'll see.
05:02You mentioned neutralizing the United Kingdom. We know that how deep they're involved in Ukraine.
05:10Everything, everything, politically, in terms of the intelligence targets they're providing.
05:17And do you feel that the Trump administration, with the level of ties, with the level of talks that
05:25they're holding with the British government, are they going to be able to force them?
05:31Or it's going to be somehow tricky for Donald Trump?
05:35It will be tricky, precisely because London is, I mean, a city with fanatics and ignoramuses.
05:43When you look at their level of the military and intelligence expertise, they are good at terrorism, okay?
05:48They're good at raping, you know, just killing innocent people. That's what they're good at, London.
05:54As military power, they're pathetic, it's a chihuahua. And in terms of their economic power,
06:00this is not even, I mean, this is third world, okay? They are third world, the only thing.
06:06They remove their Rolls Royce from there and what you get, I mean.
06:11So, and they cannot live with that. Because of that, there's any desperados, you know,
06:17and there's any people who have no total awareness about themselves, you know, which you would expect
06:22from British education, from the Cretans they produce in bulk from Oxford and other humanities,
06:28so-called humanities, you know, departments. So they think that they are really great.
06:34They have this, what is called this, networks, which they have in terms of the blackmailing,
06:43you know, what, all kinds of stuff like that, you know, which have been in place for centuries.
06:49Not only for, you know, decades, but for centuries. They have materials from pretty much most of the European,
06:59what's the name of it, elite, so to speak, many of them perverts, pedophiles and things like,
07:04British love pedophilia themselves, you know, as you look at BBC and all that.
07:08I mean, they just, oh yeah, look at the Rotterdam, you know. So it's a degenerate country in many respects.
07:14Not people that I really emphasize with English people, you know, because they cannot change it,
07:20you know. The incest finally caught up with Britain. But they are dangerous in this respect,
07:27because you, they are not Russian. They are, again, as I already stated, you can talk to their,
07:33you can, you know, the dwarf which thinks who can play in NBA, you know. He cannot play in NBA,
07:41but he can be an obstacle which will make you stumble and fall and hurt yourself. You will get
07:47up and kick his butt, you know, and throw out of the, you know, the court. But generally speaking,
07:54I mean, that's their danger. Their danger is in their utter weakness and ambition, which is, and
08:01egos larger than cathedrals. And that's what it is. They are pathetic power. They're not world power.
08:08They're not in European power. In terms of NATO, and do you think that Russia is talking about the same
08:17terms that they have proposed in December 2021? Or it's something beyond that? And
08:22I think it's beyond that. Because Russians now understood. Well, they knew it kind of already.
08:32But after the, at this point of time, we can see that in the end, let Europeans go at each other
08:39throats. They are really good at it. So that's how the two world wars started. And so once they go,
08:48the war, which is beginning to happen, and I read news from Germany, for example, every day,
08:55it's just like, Morgenthal plan is an action. They are bankrupting, like, every day. Major companies
09:02just going out of business. So once that happens, NATO de facto ceases to exist. So European NATO ceases to
09:11exist. And that essentially gives Russia what Russia demanded in December 2021, that move your
09:21freaking, you know, NATO to the borders of 1997. But Russia may get even bigger deal, bigger, better deal,
09:28you know, NATO completely dissolving de facto. There will be no, like, oh yeah, let's get together
09:35somewhere in Brussels and sign the thing about dissolution. No, no, no, no, no. It's not going to
09:39happen like this. It will start from all kinds of the mischief, which British will try to do again
09:46in Europe, you know. So they will be eating each other alive, you know. They will be squirreling,
09:52squabbling. This is what they did for pretty much all existence of Europe, you know. And once they do
10:00that, the rest of their puny resources in military technological sphere will dissolve completely.
10:06I think with the case of NATO, we know that Donald Trump, at least Donald Trump himself,
10:14is not interested in NATO. But it's not, it's not just about Donald Trump, it's about the future,
10:21and what's going on in the future between the United States and Russia. And there has to be,
10:29and if they don't get it, if they don't negotiate it with Donald Trump and just let it for the next
10:34president and the next president, nothing going to be solved. We're going to have the same sort of
10:39conflict as in 10 years. I don't know how they're going to fight it and fight it. But we know that
10:44how these people and these leaders in Europe, you know that the new chancellor of Germany is talking
10:52about sending tourist missiles. These people are going to be, Andre, there is no hope. I, in my opinion,
10:58there is no hope that these leaders going to be voted out of their position. No, Europeans are done.
11:06Europeans as people, most of them are done. Yes, I am on record. By 2050, there is a very good
11:13probability that France, as we know, will not exist. And they will be eventually, the same as Britain.
11:20I'm not sure about the fate of the English people. I really am not sure. They hide statistics. We know
11:28it's, they call it the mini Pakistan now. And again, if you look at actively at their police,
11:34they allowed the rapes in Rotterdam happen. BBC, which is the human herpes, which are not real humans,
11:43who work there. And other, you know, British media, they were hiding it.
11:47So, and guess what? They will be beaten into utter submission, because majority of the population
11:54of Europe have been completely emasculated. They have been turned into cowards and cuckolds,
11:59cuckolds, you know, so, cucks, that's who they are. They do not reproduce, really.
12:06So, and economic realities will make life much more miserable. So, in this respect, yeah. And that's what
12:12I'm saying. They're not gonna vote out anybody. It's like those people, which are, oh my god,
12:19Germany, you know, voted for AFD. And even if they are, they have voted them, and they are equal in
12:28their percentage with the Christian Democratic Union, how about the rest of it? When you put together
12:34those globalist parties, AFD is a minority, and it's not gonna change much. And those people who think
12:41that, oh, somehow they get into their government, you know, and the Trump administration will be able
12:46to protect them against blackmail and all kinds of things. I don't think so. They will be coerced
12:54into doing the same thing. Europe is done. That is why I am on the record. And I've been on record for,
13:02since 2013, 2014, early, that once they started this thing with Russia big time,
13:11in Ukraine with Maidan revolution, they stepped on the slippery slope, and that it's the defeat of the
13:19West. Now we're observing it. And it comes with all things attached to a defeat. Economic misery,
13:26a complete, I mean, spiritual death of their civilization. And yeah, they are dangerous because
13:33they're fanatics. You know, you cannot talk with them as rational people. And when you look at the
13:38political elites of Europe and in the United States, they are morons, most of them. There are some smart
13:45people, but most of them are credentialed morons. You cannot talk to Richard Haas about
13:52correlational forces and means and how the operational factor, you know, what shapes strategy.
13:58You can't. He will not understand. Actually, most of the people in the Pentagon probably will not
14:02understand, you know. So, and when you look at the answer, and this is just it, and then you go
14:07to the United States. You know what? You have to be a complete moron to accomplish this.
14:16As I already stated, the military education in Europe is a joke. It's a joke. The institutions,
14:22be that Russia, Royal United Services Institute, you know, or the Stockholm Institute, or whatever they do,
14:28the CIPRI, you know, or all those think tanks, it's pathetic. There's a bunch of amateurs.
14:34And we have to look at this amateurism spreading all over the country.
14:40And we have to look at this amateurism spreading all over the country.
14:44And we have to look at this amateurism spreading all over the country.
14:48And we have to look at this amateurism spreading all over most dangerously into the engineering sphere.
14:55We are getting to the technological field, which really matters a great deal.
15:00And obviously industrial field, and these crittens killing the real economy.
15:05They create the machinery which doesn't work.
15:07So what do you expect? It's like, how the hell did you end up doing this, you know?
15:12And people, I made a video yesterday about the, well, their part of it was about BMP3.
15:18And Bradley, infantry fighting vehicles.
15:21And people correctly brought up that, oh, remember this movie, Pentagon Wars?
15:26It's actually turned out to be documentary.
15:28Fact is, people who participated and said it was much worse than what is portrayed in the movie.
15:34This is what we talk about.
15:35It is utter, sheer loss of competence across the whole spectrum of the activities of the civilization,
15:43ranging from diplomacy to fundamental sciences to what have you.
15:47And so you have this now.
15:50And what do you expect?
15:52And we have the result.
15:54And guess what?
15:56Civilization cannot continue like this.
15:58It requires number of the glues.
16:01So, you know, nuclear scientists call it gluons, if you wish, you know.
16:06So it requires those civilizational gluons, which keep this together.
16:10And it's from culture, spiritual, you know, mythology, things and things like that.
16:14But when you look at the history of Europe and May 9th coming, it is anniversary of the Red Army's defeat over Soviet Union defeat of Nazis.
16:26Well, guess what?
16:27That was the end of it.
16:29It was due to United States while taking the credit for the victory, which actually enriched itself tremendously and profited tremendously from World War II,
16:38which for about 70 years have been able to maintain this, you know,
16:43rotten civilization which killed 70 million people in the last war, you know, to go alive.
16:50Now it's over.
16:52And 80th anniversary is huge in Moscow.
16:55And, you know, Mr. Zin is going to be there, a bunch of people coming there.
17:02It seems, if I'm not mistaken, India, Brazil, if I'm not mistaken, they're going to be there.
17:10Yeah, Modi will be there, Mr. Zin will be there, it's just, yeah.
17:17And there you go, it's more than half of Russia's world economy.
17:20And way more than military power.
17:24So, and, yeah, when you look at that and, yeah, the rumor has it that Mr. Hexert may go there.
17:36But what I say, yeah, United States, it's a sad story.
17:40United States was a big lie, you know.
17:43There's no doubt about that United States and the United Kingdom, Great Britain, you know,
17:47they paid their dues, all the British were trying to fight Hitler where he wasn't.
17:53But it was the imperial thing.
17:55But they were allies, they were legitimate allies, they were supposed to be there, you know.
18:00So it is so sad that America, which was Russia's ally, Soviet Union ally, and which paid its dues,
18:07it contributed obviously, and they will not be there, you know, because obviously United States became
18:12the existential enemy of Russia and Russian people.
18:16While in reality, it should have been as it was in 2010.
18:20They should have been marching there as allies who defeated Nazis.
18:24But guess what, United States, let alone UK, they support neo-Nazis.
18:28You remember on the same day that Whitcomb went to Russia, Donald Trump tweeted that Russia must,
18:37you should get going, moving.
18:40And here is, it seems that if the issue is that deep, Russia, if the situation with Europe is that
18:49complicated and Russia wants, Russia knows that what they want, they know what would be the final
18:59agreement on their part, what do they want from the West, what sort of agreement, what sort of
19:04guarantees from the West.
19:06But it doesn't seem that Donald Trump is that much informed about, because when you say,
19:12get moving, it's not just a little thing to talk about, you have many issues to talk to, to negotiate on.
19:24Yeah, Lavrov poured the cold water immediately, so Trump talking about deadlines is lappable.
19:30I mean, it's lappable.
19:31United States has no cards whatsoever, and again, as I already stated, we are within this stream of history.
19:40We are not outside, we have to be aware of where we are, we are within the stream,
19:46which is the decomposition of the West, happens with the, you know, incredible speed.
19:53And it doesn't matter who comes to power in the United States, the United States can do nothing
19:59about changing the outcome, nothing, literally, short of going nuclear.
20:05But then again, the United States will cease to exist, as will most of the world.
20:10So, and if the United States wants to, you know, inscribe its name as the biggest war criminal in the
20:17history of humanity, whatever will be left of humanity, they certainly can do that.
20:22But it will cease to exist.
20:23And the point is, you have to make choices.
20:28Russians see in Trump the possibility that you can make arrangements without going the hard way.
20:34Is Russia ready to go the hard way? Absolutely.
20:38All operational, tactical data, economic data says so.
20:42It's in our faces, literally, you know, that we can see it.
20:46So, it's evidently those people, the fanatics from all this, you know, the puny organizations,
20:53like Council for Foreign Relations, you know, all those bunch of the credentials, idiots, you know,
20:57that they say about that, they talk about some strategies, there is no strategy.
21:04And, pardon my French, I use the analogy yesterday in my post, in my blog.
21:10When your balls are in vices, and you have the guy who just tightens up, and there's no way you can
21:17extricate there, well, you have the two business options.
21:20To follow what is demanded by the guy who actually at the candle, or you can go into business of
21:27scrambled eggs for a short while before you're completely dead, you know.
21:31So, it's like this constantly, and I understand, it's like, I don't know, it's just they're screaming,
21:41they're speaking, they're trying to scratch things, you know, but it doesn't matter.
21:45When your tail is tightly held by people who can actually kill you, you know, and you can do
21:55whatever the motion you can, but if you cannot just, you can either, like lizards do, you know,
22:00they just drop off their, you know, tail, and just run to live another day, but you can do that.
22:07You just, your tail is grabbed, and you die as a whole.
22:12It's like famous Russian proverb, if the talon of the bird is in the swamp, the whole bird goes,
22:20you know, so it's the same here, and no matter how much we talk about it, people who make decisions,
22:30they are also obviously dictated by the logic of the circumstances.
22:35Russians are working now to create logic of circumstances, which they successfully do, actually.
22:42To have basically no option, but do it for now in the smooth, soft manner, allowing the United States
22:51to save whatever is left of the face of the United States.
22:56This is the off-ramp, strategic off-ramp.
22:58If the Trump administration doesn't take it, it changes nothing in terms of a Russian posture.
23:06It just only will harden it.
23:08And actually, if by definition and by default, it will harden on the China, China's, you know, part.
23:17Because in the end, they, as always, they miscalculated.
23:21They have all of them, practically most of them, they have PhDs in miscalculation.
23:28Because they are ignorant, they are illiterate.
23:31You cannot get decent education and a grasp of the world outside when you go and study somewhere,
23:37the, you know, some kind of the Harvard or Yale, you know, some studies, you know, thing.
23:43No, you can't.
23:44So, because obviously, and I just posted this about it, inevitability of deconstruction.
23:51The whole myth of post-World War II myth of the American superpower.
23:57The United States is a great country. It's a superpower.
24:01And there are many things which are absolutely admirable and, you know, worthy of not only preserving,
24:06but, you know, extolling them, you know, Bill of Rights, Constitution.
24:10You know, there was this incredible American industries and things like that.
24:14But, much of it is confabulated.
24:18Not that, but the rest of it is American history of global victories over everybody.
24:24No. Somebody else always was doing the fighting, you know, so it just, that's what it is.
24:31And once you deconstruct that, what do you have?
24:34What do they have in terms of what's left for them to even come with some kind of conclusions
24:39and come to some kind of the decisions which are based on reality? Not much.
24:44Andrei, we know that the United States, at least in the mainstream media, we've learned from Reuters,
24:52from Irish Times, that the way that Donald Trump is imposing tariffs on China because they want to
25:02separate other countries from China. And the main, one of the objective is Europe in this, in these articles.
25:11But we know that Russia is part of that and other countries are part of that sort of strategy on
25:17the part of Donald Trump. How do you see the situation in Ukraine? And you talk, you said that
25:28with cops visit to Moscow, mostly they were talking about Iran.
25:32A large part of it, not mostly, but a huge chunk of it, undeniably, was around.
25:38Yeah. We know that China is in the background as well.
25:42Yeah.
25:43How do you think that Donald Trump can manage all of them together in somehow, because he cannot get
25:52rid of the conflict in Ukraine while they're trying to do, to negotiate on other issues?
25:57Yeah. I'm so fascinated the way that Donald Trump is...
26:00Yeah. Yeah.
26:04You know, tariffs strategy, if you can call this, I mean, it was obviously,
26:10yeah, it's pretty adventuristic, but at least you can see the method to it. You know,
26:16you can understand the logic, however perverted, but there was a logic behind that. And in some sense,
26:22as strange as it may sound, it may kind of work, because the idea was to blackmail everybody else,
26:29then withdraw the blackmailing from everybody else, but China, you know? And so, you cannot scare
26:38Chinese anymore with that. You can create troubles for China, no doubt about it. But the problem is that
26:45China can create a lot of economic pain on the United States too. And I mean a lot, you know?
26:51Let's call it the Walmart pain, you know, because it's not just Walmart, pretty much most of the
26:57American retail, it's either China or as Trump thinks that he can move there all those supplies
27:06into the other, you know, East Asia countries.
27:09Sorry for interrupting you. There was a report that shows 75% of what Amazon is selling in the United States
27:17coming from China. China, yeah. Yeah. Amazon is essentially Alibaba subsidiary. Let's put it this way.
27:26So, yeah, it's, you know, so yeah, it's, but yeah, let them play. It's the game. You know,
27:35Trump for some reason, and again, let's not forget who Trump is. In many respects, there are some admirable
27:42qualities to him. But primarily, he's a hot air balloon and narcissist, okay? He's not stupid by any
27:48means. But the problem, sometimes people think that he's one trick pony and somehow it may work.
27:55Listen, again, real estate shyster business in New York has nothing to do with actual international
28:01relations and, you know, how modern geopolitics, you know, kind of goes. So, but yeah, he tried,
28:10tries to, well, coerce, but the reality is United States wants China to be, again, poor and impotent,
28:20which is, of course, a wet dream. China is massive and very powerful economically. It's a superpower. It's
28:27a largest economic power in the world. So, in this case, I don't know what they're trying to do.
28:33But, but I heard, no, well, it's Bloomberg, okay? Bloomberg is essentially their fake news
28:42organization. They're a bunch of this human herpes which works there. They call them journalists.
28:47They're not journalists. They're a bunch of the propagandists and ideologues. And, but the point is,
28:52they reported that, oh, somebody stated and there is a, again, I didn't see any other confirmation,
29:00but it was, of course, picked up by all kinds of other organizations that China gave orders to
29:07stop buying any Boeing aircraft and including the spare parts. It's a rather drastic movement,
29:13movement, if you think about it, and the movement which actually will hurt China more than United
29:20States. Because China, yeah, commercial aerospace is where China lags dramatically behind, well,
29:30Europe and United States, and even Russia. So, and people immediately ask, what are they going to do?
29:37I don't know. I need the full confirmation of that. If it is confirmed, I think there will be a
29:45very serious repercussions, not only for China, but for Airbus. Because the Chinese, obviously,
29:50who prefer to buy Airbus aircraft, excellent aircraft, nobody agrees on that,
29:57United States can impose some things on Airbus, you know? So it's going to be fascinating to observe that.
30:05Russia is not selling her engines to China. Russia needs them themselves. So, and if that is confirmed,
30:13then, man, we are into new territory, completely new territory. So, and, but we need to wait and see,
30:20the information came out yesterday. So if it is true, it's a big, big deal, much larger than many
30:26people understand.
30:27Do they want to sell their American airplanes? That's why, because I've heard something about
30:36that, and they want to replace them with... Oh no, they sold 780, they want to sell 780 samples.
30:41780 samples had the issues from the get-go, and actually, even Arabs, and Qatar airline, I believe,
30:49they also complained about the low quality of the assembly of 780 samples, which are assembled in South
30:54Carolina. Boeing moved this assembly line there because for the right of work state, which is
31:02really a contradiction. Right of work means you have no ability to create trade unions there, you know?
31:08So they go there and work there for twice less the, you know, salaries, which they otherwise do it in
31:16Everett or Renton area here around Seattle, you know, where they assembled the 737s, for example.
31:22So, but it's Boeing, okay? Boeing's decisions in the last 10 years are just defying imagination.
31:30But for all Boeing's problems, China operates now two and a half thousand Boeing aircraft.
31:37The majority of them, of course, are 747s and 747s.
31:44So, 747s, there are all kinds of others, 777s, and so, but they prefer Airbus
31:52aircraft. So, but again, Airbus is, Airbus does, is not as secure as many people will think because
32:01even legendary A320, including your new engine option and A321 line, which I love, I love those
32:09aircraft. A single-aisle aircraft, guess what? They all fly on the CFM Leap engines. And guess
32:17what those engines are? They're between Safran and General Electric. It used to be joint venture
32:22between Safran and Pratt and Whitney, but now suddenly, guess what? If United States imposes
32:30sanctions on those engines, Airbus will not be able to sell their planes to China. Well, they can sell
32:39probably the plane, fuselage and all that, but without engines, planes do not fly. You know, and
32:44this, guess what? If this engine contains at least half of the American parts, this specific Leap engine.
32:53So, there you go. It's a conundrum, okay? So, that is why we need to be observing these events,
33:00how they unfold, if they are true to start with. Don't forget, that's Bloomberg. These are people who are
33:07basically fake news and it's, you know, manipulators. They are not real news out there. So, and
33:15well, we have to wait and see. What do we know about the relationship between Russia and China in
33:22terms of the airplanes and the technology that Russia possesses? That's a very complex issue.
33:31China doesn't have anybody who tells me that, oh, WS engine is coming up very soon. No, no, no,
33:38it's not coming very soon. And even if it comes, it not is going to be anyway in the Pratt and Whitney 1000
33:45or PG-14 type or leap for that matter, quality and, you know. So, but obviously China made their
33:54strategic mistake here when they decided to say, okay, we do their white body, SR-20,
34:02it was called CR, China-Russia 929. But they said, oh, the profits stay with us. We're going to assemble it.
34:09And Russia said, they were negotiating this joint venture. And then Russia said, no, you're kind of,
34:16you know, taking a huge chunk of it without pairing with us. But and he says, no, well, that's because
34:22we assemble it. And while Russians obviously took part in the designing it, you know, all kinds of
34:29places like wing and things like that. Russia said, okay, we're living. So you can stay with your profits.
34:37But PG-35, which is, by the way, now is in testing that it's essentially one of the largest engines
34:45in the world, specifically designed for the heavy lift. It stayed with us. And that's okay. We're not
34:53part anymore, but we're going to be, you know, just merely a subcontractor. If you want to buy something,
34:59buy from us. You know, so there you go. And China made a huge mistake here. They wanted engine.
35:05They wanted to have hands on this engine. But you cannot copy engines. You just can't copy it today.
35:12You have to have a whole industry, scientific research. You have that, you know, school of
35:20thought, engineering schools, which go into those engines, because they are so sophisticated, so
35:26finely tuned machines, one of the most complex machines ever created. And China doesn't have that
35:32type of engine. They have their own engines. They're not as good. So they cannot buy anything now from
35:38Russia for their Comac 919, which is narrow body. It's not really Chinese. Most of it is then,
35:45as you might expect, including engines, which I believe engines are Western. So theoretically they could
35:53have tried to do it all Chinese, which would take another many years, and say, okay, Russians give us
35:59your PT-14, you know, engine. Russians not giving it. They need themselves, because Russia has now 20, 20 plus, actually.
36:08MS-21's house getting ready to be motorized, and flying, and serving, and then you have the
36:16TU-214. Pardon me.
36:21Thank you, sir.
36:23And you have TU-214, and Russians have their own PS-98. They're also not selling.
36:37Andrei, when it comes to the situation in Ukraine, we've heard the situation in Sumi region that
36:50everybody was going crazy about. Everybody was talking about it. Even the Secretary of State of the
36:59United States, Marco Rubio tweeted, and Donald Trump talked about it. What has happened in Sumi, and which
37:07everybody was talking about? Well, of course, it already dissipated really fast, which tells you
37:12something. It took like 48 hours, and now everybody forgot about it. Oh, nothing.
37:18They were doing this GUR, which is, you know, and Minister of Defense of Ukraine. They were doing
37:25the award ceremony. Well, guess what, because they are Ukrainians. They love to hide behind the
37:32backs of civilians. So they brought some civilians with them. Well, Russians had the targeting. They
37:37hid it, and that's it. Well, sorry, guys. You know, it's... So when, evidently, there is no
37:43screams from Washington when Ukraine kills, rapes, and by the way, there are very many NATO personnel,
37:52kill, rape, execute children, you know, like it was in the first area and things like that. You don't
37:58hear much from them, don't you? So Russians don't care. Nobody gives a flying coitus about what the
38:04United States thinks about anything anymore, and especially what Europeans think.
38:10Andre, do you feel that Marco Rubio is getting... is just behaving the same way that
38:18Pompeo was behaving in the first Trump administration? Because he's... you remember when he said that
38:25now the ball is on Russia's court. Yeah, yeah. Everybody coordinated with Europeans. Right now,
38:31the same. What does he want, in your opinion? We know that he is a neocon. Yeah, he is an errand boy for
38:41Miriam Anderson. Everybody knows that. I mean, he has no opinions about anything himself, so he will do whatever
38:49he's told. So he is not really a subject of any kind of the... in developing of the foreign policy
38:58for the United States. I mean, foreign policy of the United States is developed in Tel Aviv, okay? And
39:03Trump better also face the reality that he himself is a puppet of the neocons. And so United States in
39:09this respect is a literally third world country. It's utterly corrupted by their external power. And in this
39:17case Rubio repeats the same mantras which have been there since the times of Victoria Nuland. And he
39:25is a neocon, absolutely. So, and State Department in general, essentially, it's not about diplomacy.
39:33United States doesn't have diplomacy as a craft, as such. Even there are people like Witkoff, who seems
39:42genuine enough and, you know, he might not necessarily be a bad guy. But the United States
39:48doesn't have diplomacy. They don't know how to do it. It's the same as they don't have real strategic
39:53thinkers of scale. They don't know strategies, grand strategy. It's all, you know, that's what I said.
39:59It's all based on delusions. They live in the alternative universe and they think that, you know,
40:04we come in and we offer this or demand this and everybody will say, oh yeah, sure. No. And people say,
40:11oh, screw you. I mean, you know. So, and this is what we have. And Mark Ruby, in this case, he is just
40:18an object. And, you know, it depends. However, he supported the efforts of Witkoff, as strange as it
40:26sounds. So, which is like, hmm, that's interesting. If we take out Witkoff from the Trump administration,
40:34do you see anybody capable of implementing, doing these things, negotiations? No, no, there's nobody.
40:41There's nobody. You know, it's already stated. You have clowns like Kellogg. The guy is militarily
40:47ignorant. He doesn't understand what is going on in the world. His task is to sit and drink whatever
40:53they drink or, you know, with the Ukrainian side, listen to their fairy tales and then come in and
40:59parade himself as a clown, which most of the American generals are. And so, he doesn't understand what is
41:06going on. Trump made some good choices in terms of the domestic, you know, policies. When we look at
41:15Kach Patel as the FBI director, we look at Tulsi Corbett and, but in the end, in the end, he doesn't
41:23have that many in terms of his, what is called, bench, you know, where they're in hockey, the bench
41:28when they have the, for that matter, in football, you know, with football, you know, your, you know,
41:36your players sit on the bench waiting to be substituted or something. He doesn't have the
41:42bench. United States doesn't have the bench. The only thing United States has is the primarily New
41:48Occans and Israeli prisoners and warmongers. So, the small little part of, say, Congress,
41:56which is normal people in general, the rest of it is, yeah, there's not nobody to talk to.
42:04And that is why we have this game. Many people don't understand. There is a time factor in this game.
42:11Russians also play for time. They don't play just for the tangible results, like, you know, killing
42:18more Ukrainians and annihilating pretty much the rest of the sperm bank, which is already happening.
42:24They already, as I already stated, 18-year-olds, 21-year-olds are being, I mean, slaughtered there.
42:32So, they don't have much left. But Russians play for the time. And for time, you know,
42:39looking at NATO, as I already stated, there will be no official assembly, you know, in Brussels,
42:45when all those NATO countries come together and say, oh, yeah, we signed today the treaty dissolving.
42:50No, it will dissolve by de facto, you know. And, you know, the most important part now is to
42:58erect the Iron Curtain. Russians do not want to have anything to do with Europe and most of Europeans.
43:05Those Europeans who are normal people, who want to live in a normal country with the normal values,
43:11they can go to Russia, they get their visas and they get their green cards very fast.
43:18Maybe some go to the United States because the United States is still, for all its flaws,
43:23because it's largely, you know, conservative country with the exception of those coastal areas where
43:29the insane, you know, fanatics and wokes, you know, Democrats live.
43:35And, but the Europe is done. It's over. And, yeah, it's just a matter of how Russians will
43:43look at it in five years, for example. And if there will be the war between Europeans themselves,
43:48which completely not excluded. Yeah, we know that right now they're trying to do everything to the
43:57president of Serbia. Oh wow, Vucic is, yeah, Serbia obviously is a small country. It's in a
44:05very precarious position and there have been a generational change, which is puzzling to put
44:13it in mind. And then, of course, there are NGOs all over the place who, you know, what used to be
44:19USAID, USAID, which financed all kinds of the scumbags, you know, for orange or color revolutions.
44:26But yeah, Slovakia, they wanted to kill Fica, they almost succeeded. So yeah, that's a sheer terrorism.
44:34It's all their intelligence operations by MI6 and all kinds of other scumbags, you know.
44:40So yeah, and what can I say? Europeans wanted it. The only country which remains for now
44:49are just normal country. It's Hungary, you know, that's normal country. It doesn't mean that they
44:55like Russians. Fact is, the majority of Hungarians don't like Russians at all, you know. So don't forget
45:00the history between Hungary, which sent the whole army to the Eastern Front and what they committed there.
45:07But they're a normal country. They understand you have to do business, you have to go around,
45:11you have to deal with people, negotiate. And Victor Orman is definitely one of these guys,
45:16but he is also a friend of Trump. In this respect, he has the support, sort of, you know.
45:22The rest of them are, well, it's there on their own, you know.
45:26Andrei, do you think that Donald Trump, while he's negotiating with Russia, he's talking with
45:36Europeans? Because we know that Russia is just talking with the United States. They want to get
45:43something with the United States. But on the part of the West, how do you see the way that Donald Trump
45:50is dealing with Europe? Because after all, it's important that there has to be some sort of
45:55agreement from within the West. And do you think that's going on between the Trump administration
46:02and the Europeans? Oh, they talk, of course. But don't forget, when we say talk and what is Trump
46:12administration? Just yesterday, in Hexat, in Pentagon, they found the guy who leaked. He was the senior
46:20advisor to Pete Hexat. He leaked everything, you know. It's like, what is Trump administration? It's,
46:26you know, it's Swiss cheese, okay. It has already stated. They are kind of pull it into different
46:33directions, you know. And they do not know what they want, you know. So they may say that, oh,
46:39we have strategy meetings and all that. Well, you have that one part which says, let's blow the
46:44everything, you know, the world to smithereens. And I'll say, oh, no, let's not do that. So,
46:48good luck, you know, working out the consensus. But it's just what it is. This is what American
46:54politics has become. The American foreign policy consensus is a joke. And when we talk about
47:02Trump administration, how they communicate with Europe. Trump may talk to Europe, some people
47:08close to him in one way, while the rest of his administration will be talking to Europeans,
47:13pass his hat on a completely different, you know, platform. So, this is like, it's a chaos.
47:20Yeah, it's a chaos. He cannot get control of his own administration yet again. He does the first
47:27term, but this time, you know, in the sense of the foreign policy, more or less trying to be,
47:33you know, sensible. But still, he still cannot control the damn thing. You know, it's like,
47:39why don't you go and hire, you know, all those, you know, Democrats again? You know,
47:43they will kill you fast. They want his physical annihilation. But the point is that you have to be
47:50a real statesman. But what he does when he's, you know, he's a narcissist. He's still, as you
47:56discussed earlier today, he comes out saying, there's a deadline. Russia has to move that. I mean,
48:01he believes that. He really probably believes that because he doesn't understand the reality
48:07and he is not always completely aware. It has nothing to do with his, you know, age. He does
48:14well for his age. He is definitely better than Biden, you know. So, he is very alert. But the problem is,
48:21it's the human quality. It's the quality of the narcissist, you know. He just opened the
48:28monument to himself in his Marlava golf club for crying out loud. You know what? It's just,
48:37he is narcissist, okay? And because of that, he doesn't completely grasp, you know, what is going on.
48:44Andrei, just to wrap up this session, we know that, as you've mentioned, Witkoff was talking
48:52about Iran in his meeting with Putin. Today, we've learned that the foreign minister of Iran is going
48:56to Russia. He's going to talk with, he's going to deliver the letter of the Supreme Leader of Iran to
49:04Vladimir Putin. And it's all related to what's going on between Iran and the United States in terms of
49:10nuclear program. What do they want, the two parties, and the way that they're negotiating with Russia?
49:18What is Iran, what's the purpose of Iran, this sort of communication? And what's the purpose of
49:25Witkoff in that sort of communication with Putin? Well, it's obviously to prevent any kind of the
49:32breaking out of any possible hostilities. And the United States will do only one thing which they know
49:37how to do. It's to throw everything they have in terms of their cruise missiles, you know, and
49:44that's about it. I don't think they are ready to go. There are some people, yeah, they all say,
49:50let's, you know, nuke Iran. Well, if the United States nukes Iran, the United States will cease to
49:55exist as a country, not because it will be attacked, which it will be in some sense or other, but because
50:02it will dissipate as a country, it will not survive their crime, which it would commit. But
50:09Iran had a good way of dealing with this when
50:17RACI was signing and, you know, there was a, well, Peshkizyan, whatever, I constantly cannot
50:23pronounce his name properly, of the president of Iran, an informal Armenian name, actually. So, and
50:32when they signed a comprehensive treaty, they could have avoided all this pain by narrowly making their
50:38military alliance with Russia. But Iran is extremely sensitive of not getting into this,
50:46and obviously, let alone hosting their military installation and things like that of any nature.
50:53Whatever there will be the latter, I don't know, it's difficult to say. But maybe they are
51:00reconsidering the military part of this comprehensive strategic agreement. So, who knows? Difficult to say,
51:07really. But their idea is to prevent the United States of giving them any reason to basically,
51:15you know, attack Iran, and how that could be arranged. Difficult to say now, really. It's such a
51:23coward, you know, in the mystery and the fog, and so difficult to say.
51:27Yeah. Exactly. Thank you so much, Andrey, for being with us today.
51:33My pleasure. As always.
51:35Mm-hmm. Bye-bye.
51:37Bye-bye. Take care.

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