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00:00This program is brought to you by the U.S. Embassy in Japan.
00:05FUJITELEVI
00:13The 3rd Committee of the U.S. Embassy in Japan, which has been in contact with former FUJITELEVI employees,
00:18has strongly criticized the FUJITELEVI's response,
00:21saying that the 3rd Committee of the U.S. Embassy in Japan is a force to be reckoned with.
00:25Prime Minister Ishiba, on the other hand,
00:27has shown strong support for small and medium-sized businesses
00:30in preparation for the addition of the Trump administration.
00:34On April Fool's Day, the official executive of the bento chain Hokka-Hokka-Tei
00:38posted,
00:39"'Stop selling rice'."
00:41Criticism was so strong that it was necessary to apologize.
00:45Six talent employees from Yoshimoto Industries
00:48were sued for online casino gambling.
00:52The U.S. President Donald Trump announced
00:55that he would introduce a 24% mutual tax on Japan.
00:59The aim is to reduce trade fraud and revive the domestic industry.
01:04In response to the Korean president, Yoon Son-nyeol,
01:07who was shot dead during a hearing,
01:10the Supreme Court ruled that he was not guilty.
01:12Mr. Yoon lost his job, and the presidential election will be held within 60 days.
01:17Good evening, I'm Toshihisa Tamura.
01:19I'm Hitomi Nakamura.
01:20Now, let's start Toshihisa Tamura's Q&A.
01:22Let me introduce today's guest.
01:24Mr. Haruki Nishiyama, a lawyer.
01:26Nice to meet you.
01:27I'm Yohei Tsunami, a professor at Chiba Shoka University.
01:30Nice to meet you.
01:32Today's commentator is Shizuka Oya.
01:34Nice to meet you.
01:37This week, Toshihisa Tamura's program,
01:40Q&A, has been renewed.
01:43How do you feel, Ms. Nakamura?
01:44It's very popular now.
01:46But the best part is that
01:48the box for the emergency news was made of cardboard.
01:55Was it made of cardboard?
01:56Yes, the staff made it for me.
01:58It's much better now.
01:59It's much better.
02:01I think it's amazing.
02:03It's hard to see the flip.
02:06That's right.
02:07The budget is getting more and more.
02:10Thanks to everyone.
02:14First of all, let me introduce Mr. Nishiyama's profile,
02:17who will be the first guest of Q&A.
02:20After experiencing the Tokyo incident,
02:22he joined the Rei Law Firm.
02:24As a lawyer, he has experienced many incidents
02:27such as the Tokyo incident, the Saitama incident, and the Fukuoka incident.
02:30He has experienced many incidents
02:32such as the Seikagai incident, the Datsudei incident,
02:34the special defendant incident, the Oryo incident, and so on.
02:36Now, he is a lawyer,
02:38taking advantage of his experience as a former prosecutor.
02:40He specializes in the field of police, entertainment, and entertainment.
02:43He has dealt with many cases.
02:45In addition, he is also active as a DJ.
02:50He will be a DJ in the future, right?
02:52Yes, I will be a DJ in the future.
02:55It's hard to change the switch, isn't it?
02:57Yes, I was also curious about the costume when I came here today.
03:00I thought it would be better to show my face as a DJ.
03:03It's your first appearance.
03:05It's your first appearance.
03:07Next time, you can show your face as a DJ.
03:09You can hang your headphones.
03:11We can handle it, too.
03:13Next time.
03:14Mr. Tsunemi, you were in a band before this, right?
03:17Yes, I have a band performance tonight.
03:19After this?
03:20Yes, I will play in Roppongi after this.
03:22You have a variety of faces.
03:24Mr. Oya, what will you do after this?
03:26After this, I will do a public showdown.
03:28What?
03:29Public showdown?
03:31You decided to do a public showdown when you came to MX, didn't you?
03:35There are various people.
03:37I look forward to working with you.
03:39First of all, we watched the news for a week.
03:42Mr. Tsunemi, what is the topic you are interested in?
03:45I'm interested in a lot of things.
03:46April Fool's Day is coming to an end.
03:51First of all, I think April Fool's Day has become lame recently.
03:56It's hard to do something.
03:58I think it would be better to stop April Fool's Day at work on Valentine's Day and White Day.
04:06Anyway, another lesson is...
04:08It's really hard to hate food.
04:12There are a lot of topics related to food that I hate.
04:16I can't buy it, it's expensive, or the taste has changed.
04:22I'm short of rice right now.
04:25I'm struggling with the price of rice.
04:27If I do this, what am I doing?
04:31Companies are starting to lie by force.
04:36You don't have to force it.
04:39It's a company that supports food.
04:42If you give out free rice, you'll get a lot of profit, but you'll get a lot of praise.
04:50But I don't think it's a good idea.
04:53This year, Gibson, a guitar manufacturer, finally released an air guitar.
05:00It's an air guitar case.
05:03Producer Hiroshi Tanahashi, who is famous for his air guitar, reacted.
05:08I think the guitar is nice and has a good sense.
05:11It's not a sense, it's a cut.
05:14That's not the technique of this show.
05:18I'm going to win.
05:20It's a cut.
05:22It's a different show.
05:24Nishiyama-san, what topics are you interested in?
05:28I'm interested in gambling online.
05:32Six Yoshimoto entertainers.
05:37Do you really live on this alone?
05:40I'm interested in this news.
05:42I'm interested in the future of police dispatches.
05:46It depends on the amount of money spent, the number of times it's spent, and the frequency.
05:51Of the six people who have been given, there are people who spend a lot of money, and there are people who spend a little.
05:58Depending on the amount of money, it may be judged that it is low in value.
06:03Some people say they spent 50 million yen.
06:06There may be people who are severely punished by the police.
06:11How far is it possible to be punished?
06:15If it's a robbery, it's a three-year sentence.
06:20If it's not a robbery, it's a fine of less than 500,000 yen.
06:25It may be a fine of 100,000 to 500,000 yen.
06:29There is data that 3.37 million people in Japan were involved in online gambling.
06:38Among them, Yoshimoto entertainers and professional baseball players are the ones who showed off.
06:44I think it's a good opportunity for many people to know that it's no good because they were investigated.
06:54What kind of fairness do you think we should look at?
07:01As you said, the number of cases of online gambling has increased since last year.
07:07I think the police are acting in a hypocritical way.
07:14In order to maintain fairness, we need to suppress people who do online gambling in the same way.
07:20How about you, Mr. Ohayashi? Do you do online gambling?
07:24No, I don't.
07:26It's okay. I don't do it.
07:29I've heard that it's too easy to get in.
07:34If you notice it, you can register your card.
07:38If you click on an ad on the Internet and think it's a normal game, you can see if it's online gambling.
07:44But if you try it because it's not illegal, it's illegal.
07:48I'm scared.
07:51I think there are only six people.
07:55What is the news that Mr. Ohayashi paid attention to this week?
07:58Here it is.
08:00Nintendo Switch is on sale!
08:02That's good news.
08:04It's cheaper than I thought.
08:06That's right.
08:08And it's a hot topic that sales measures are being taken very seriously.
08:13I think there are a lot of people who buy it at a low price in Japan and sell it at a high price overseas.
08:20Nintendo has set a condition for those who can get the first lottery.
08:29As of February 28, 2025, the play time of Switch 1 is more than 50 hours.
08:37You need to sign up for Nintendo Online for more than a year.
08:42Also, it's about 50,000 yen for Japanese-only machines.
08:48It's 70,000 yen for foreign languages.
08:52It's a hot topic that the price is different between Japan and overseas.
08:57I'm very happy as a Switch user that I want Nintendo to reach out to people who really love Switch.
09:06I think it's good that Nintendo is not doing it.
09:09I cleared Dracula 3 in 48 hours.
09:13I can't do it.
09:14I've played other games, too.
09:16I've been playing Dracula for 48 hours.
09:18If I put Splatoon in, I can easily beat it.
09:22I have the right to do that.
09:24But I'm sure everyone wants it.
09:27That's right.
09:29If it's on sale, people who don't meet this condition can buy it.
09:33How about if you have three children?
09:35I've been doing it for a long time.
09:37I've heard this news since I was a kid.
09:39I got all the information from YouTube.
09:42If three people want it, it's 150,000 yen.
09:44No, no, no.
09:45I can't give it to one person.
09:47Is that so?
09:48Is that so?
09:49I can give it to one person.
09:51That's cool.
09:52Can't you share it?
09:54No, I can't.
09:55I can give it to one person.
09:57I can give it to my husband, three children, and four people.
10:00I didn't feel good.
10:03I'm the one who pays for it.
10:05It's the economy.
10:07Don't point your finger at me.
10:09No, no, no.
10:10I didn't say anything.
10:12I'm talking to the people who are trying to write on the Internet.
10:16Stop once.
10:17Think carefully.
10:19I think it's better to think that he's using money.
10:21Here's the topic I want to hear this week.
10:26It's too late, but what is compliance?
10:29Has TV become boring with compliance in the 100th anniversary of the start of the broadcast?
10:33I'd like to hear from you about this topic.
10:37And the theme of today's Q&A is...
10:40Your life is improving your awareness of compliance.
10:441. It's getting better.
10:462. It's getting tight.
10:483. It doesn't change.
10:50We look forward to hearing from you.
10:53In the program, you can participate in the Q&A.
10:57You can participate from the D button on the remote control or from the program homepage.
11:01We look forward to your comments, e-mails, and posts with the hashtag.
11:23In January of this year, Sankei Shimbun published an article on compliance.
11:28In the article, Professor Masaaki Ito of Seikei University explained the trend of compliance in recent years as a transition from pre-regulation to self-monitoring.
11:37In the past, if you followed the rules of manliness, womanliness, and office workers,
11:43you were allowed to behave like a harassment to some extent.
11:47It was an era of familiarity and attachment.
11:50However, in today's world, you are free from pre-regulation and you can be responsible for yourself.
11:56However, if you are strictly monitored by compliance and you are found to be unlawful,
12:01you will be arrested and punished.
12:03It is an era of self-monitoring.
12:06Now, everyone knows the term compliance.
12:10Since when has it become widely recognized?
12:13In 1997, the term compliance repeatedly appeared in the media.
12:24It is said that due to the influence of compliance, people became more interested in companies' misbehavior and preventive measures.
12:30In 2018, the number of misbehaviors, such as power harassment, in Osumo and sports meetings, increased rapidly, and compliance reports increased rapidly.
12:38As a result, people became more interested in compliance in various organizations, and the society became more strict.
12:45In the first place, compliance means following the rules, such as laws and regulations.
12:53In recent years, it has been used in a wide sense to comply with corporate ethics and social norms,
12:58and it is indispensable to gain trust from consumers and traders.
13:02Specifically, if information theft, data tampering, harassment, gender equality, etc. are found to be violations, companies and organizations will be severely damaged.
13:13Still, why do violations occur?
13:16The background of violations is that there is a triangle of motivation, justification, and mechanism.
13:23For example, the employee side puts pressure on the company, and the management side is motivated by extreme norms.
13:31In addition, there is a need to end it by the deadline.
13:34Other employees are doing it, and it justifies the violation.
13:38And when all these situations are met, it is possible to prevent it by having all the machines, such as no one checking.
13:46In addition, the lack of legal knowledge, moral exclusion, and lack of updates in time is also a cause of violation.
13:54Although compliance is being looked at with strict eyes, there are still few companies that are willing to do it.
14:00There is also a strong belief that compromising will reduce the profits of companies, such as raising their voices if they don't make money.
14:08However, Professor Ito of Seikei University says,
14:11Compliance is not to bind us, but to release us from the old shackles and make us free.
14:19It is a risk management for the sustainable growth of a company, and I believe that a laborious response to overcome it without running away when it happens is necessary.
14:28A new way of thinking that is attracting attention is the emotional compliance proposed by lawyer Eiji Masuda.
14:36It is not a negative instruction, such as not to violate, but an approach that emphasizes a positive attitude of feeling joy by being useful to others.
14:46It is not a rule to protect compliance, but a way of thinking to re-establish it as a guideline for making a fair and just profit.
14:56It is said that in the future, the change of consciousness, such as emotional compliance, will be important for companies and organizations.
15:05While the rise in awareness of compliance is spreading throughout Japan,
15:09various problems such as sexual harassment, power harassment, sexual harassment, concealment, and pressure have emerged,
15:18and the entertainment industry is facing particularly severe problems in recent years.
15:23For example, talent who has left the office is under pressure not to appear on TV.
15:28Ruins trouble.
15:30The relationship with the other party, such as the dark business problem of the party involved in the anti-social force.
15:36The description of the bust top was intended to be NG, but it was ignored at the scene.
15:43SNS trouble, where you can write that you want to die, etc.
15:49And the issue of tax evasion, donation issue, which is a problem due to the low awareness of public duties, such as serious leakage, concealment of income, unpaid salary, etc.
15:58Various problems surrounding compliance are being raised in the media every day.
16:03In such an entertainment industry, what kind of compliance is being aware of in TV broadcasts?
16:10First of all, the content of the content has become more considerate.
16:16Consideration of human rights issues such as harassment, racial discrimination, gender discrimination, and occupational discrimination.
16:23Avoid broadcasting misleading information.
16:26Sexual expressions and violent expressions that have a negative impact on children have become more important.
16:33As a result, uncertain health information, war-like images, discrimination, and bullying have decreased,
16:40and everyone can watch with peace of mind.
16:43People who get hurt have decreased, and people who have become healthy have been evaluated.
16:48Also, in the production site, compliance has become a pressure in a good way to change the evil rules of the industry.
16:55There was a tendency to improve the working environment, including inappropriate summons and working hours.
17:01Consideration was also taken into account for the cast, who said that intimacy coordinators would be introduced during sexual shooting, such as mood.
17:08On the other hand, in the drama shooting, there were cases where the producer's excessive consideration made the work uncomfortable,
17:16such as the scene where a violent criminal runs away in a car, and the scene where two people ride a motorcycle in the anime.
17:23There were also cases where viewers pointed out that it was a violation of the rules.
17:27Making and receiving.
17:29Comprehensive consciousness, which can also be said to be an excessive of both parties, has had an impact on content creation.
17:35With the influence of the TV industry becoming more aware of compliance,
17:40the number of voices that evaluate the positive aspects of mass media, which deliver information to a wide audience, has also increased.
17:46In the production site, it is also connected to the position and safety of the cast and the weak staff.
17:52On the other hand, there are voices that complain that the power and fun that the former TV had, which was anything, has disappeared.
17:59It is also pointed out that excessive consciousness is narrowing the producer's imagination.
18:04However, it is also true that the program that ignores compliance is not an interesting program.
18:10How to balance the producer's compliance consciousness and the audience's literacy is a major challenge for the current TV.
18:19100 years after the start of radio broadcasting, TV broadcasting has reached its 72nd year, and now that changes are required in the entertainment industry,
18:27compliance is once again being questioned.
18:32Now, let's talk about compliance this week.
18:37Oya-san.
18:38Yes.
18:39I think Oya-san is also not good at compliance.
18:43How is it? Have you ever felt that it has become more strict than before?
18:47Well, a little while ago, when I was excited about the hashtag Sasukyu on the Internet,
18:56I was invited as a guest to a drinking party in Fukuoka Prefecture,
19:04and I was making alcohol as usual, and it was quite annoying.
19:09It's a man's loss.
19:11I'm doing it because I really want to.
19:13It's fun and I'm participating, even in private.
19:16I was told that this kind of thing is no good.
19:21It's what you want to do.
19:25It's a time when it's easier for the audience to raise their voice.
19:30Didn't you say anything back then?
19:32I didn't say anything back.
19:34That's great.
19:36There were a lot of voices saying, I don't want you to take this for granted.
19:40I don't want people to think that women do it.
19:43But Oya-san, it's not that women do it, it's just that you like alcohol, so you do it.
19:48I want to drink too, so I just want to make other people drunk.
19:55You don't have to be so strict.
19:59Let's talk about how to think about compliance again.
20:03If you compare the Showa and modern times,
20:06in the old days, there was a pre-regulation.
20:08First of all, it was a constraint.
20:10For example, it was embedded in the company's identity.
20:14That's where freedom came from.
20:17But now, you can be free first.
20:20However, if you don't follow compliance, you will be eliminated.
20:23It's the opposite now.
20:25Tsunemi-san, how do you compare the Showa and modern times?
20:30I think the Heisei era was a big turning point.
20:35From the middle of the Heisei era,
20:37the word compliance,
20:39in the first place, in the field of business,
20:41I think it was around 2000.
20:45That's a change in the stock market.
20:47You have to gain trust from the stockholders and investors.
20:51You have to take responsibility for the company's social responsibility.
20:55I joined the company in 1997.
20:57At that time, I was a company employee.
20:59From around 2000, various rules have become stricter.
21:03I was allowed to take compliance training.
21:06In addition, the story of the banquet, which had been OK until now, became NG.
21:11The story of the banquet?
21:13What I'm trying to do is
21:15From the beginning of the Heisei era,
21:17I was told that if I wanted to hold a banquet,
21:21I had to do it under my position.
21:25There is a theory that it doesn't matter if you do it under your position.
21:30I was told that I had to do it for a specific banquet.
21:34On the other hand,
21:36after compliance training was introduced,
21:38I was introduced to the world.
21:40When I took the compliance test,
21:42I was told that the banquet performance of Mr. Tamura two years ago was a terrible joke and a harassment.
21:49The banquet two years ago was the cause of the banquet?
21:54It wasn't a banquet, but it was an inspection.
21:58There was a person who was dismissed.
22:01That's scary.
22:03Mr. Nishiyama, what do you think of compliance training?
22:07I think it's very difficult to say compliance.
22:11Personally, I think the essence of compliance is to protect trust.
22:18The story of Mr. Tsurumi's company is that
22:21I also had harassment training when I was a police officer.
22:24In a way, if the higher-ups do this,
22:27the company is doing it properly.
22:30That's how I see compliance.
22:33It's not like that.
22:35I think it's very important to be able to protect the trust of the shareholders, customers, and society as a whole.
22:44Mr. Tsunemi, what do you think?
22:46I think there's a sense of pinnacle to it.
22:49That's why everyone has a so-called Kiku-Kusuki.
22:53It's strange, but the former director of Powahara said,
22:56If you say this, you won't be beaten.
22:58There was a person who was famous for Powahara when I was in the company.
23:01It's a little stimulating on the show.
23:03There was a person who said,
23:05When he became the director of Powahara,
23:07people changed.
23:10The moment he became the director, he said,
23:12Please die.
23:14If he becomes the director of Trash Bar,
23:16let's think about how to live from now on.
23:18Let's think about how to live.
23:20And what I want to say is that
23:22It's a bad joke now,
23:24If you do this, you won't be beaten.
23:27If it's this far, you won't be called Powahara.
23:30It's like that.
23:32It's not about protecting yourself or your partner.
23:36It's about working comfortably.
23:38It's about building trust.
23:40It's not about what's good and what's bad.
23:42If you apologize, you should apologize.
23:44That's very important.
23:45It's important to keep updating.
23:47I don't think it's interesting right now
23:50because you're being replaced
23:52so that you don't get hit.
23:55I'd like to show you an example
23:57of a general violation of compliance.
24:00This is an example of a violation of compliance.
24:02First of all, it's a labor issue, such as heavy labor.
24:05It also includes sexual harassment and power harassment.
24:08And a violation of the law.
24:10This is very easy to understand.
24:12It's okay if you follow the Food Sanitation Act
24:14or the Copyright Law.
24:16So if you violate this,
24:18it means that the social reaction is quite strong.
24:21However, this is an easy-to-protect and easy-to-understand thing.
24:23And unauthorized management.
24:25This is a fraudulent claim,
24:28such as the money laundering in a business.
24:30This is a case in which the businessman
24:32is damaged in a large way
24:34in order to cause serious damage to the business.
24:36And the other is information breach.
24:38Customers' information has been leaked.
24:40And it's easy to happen
24:42when an employee doesn't recognize
24:44the accuracy of the information.
24:46So these are the big four.
24:48Mr. Nishiyama, there are many violations of compliance.
24:51But there are many cases,
24:53many consultations,
24:55Is there a lot of harassment and violation of compliance?
24:59There are more and more complaints about labor issues.
25:02Things that have been allowed until now are gradually being treated as harassment.
25:07It's getting harder to define what's right and what's wrong.
25:11I feel that the number of complaints is increasing.
25:14In other words, there have always been people who have been trying to make a profit.
25:21For example, recently, a bank employee has committed theft.
25:24There have been cases like that.
25:26In fact, there have always been cases like that.
25:28I think we can see that there are new labor issues as a new problem.
25:33I see.
25:34Ms. Oya, what do you think?
25:36Has the way of thinking and perceiving compliance changed?
25:43Compliance is getting more and more strict.
25:49Do you think it's getting more and more strict?
25:51I think it's getting more and more strict.
25:53Mr. Tsunemi, you said that compliance is getting more and more strict.
25:58There are some things that have to be strict, but it's not something that's getting more and more strict.
26:04I don't think it should be something that's getting more and more strict.
26:07I think it should be something that makes each other feel comfortable.
26:12I think it's the same as saying,
26:14you want to buy something online,
26:16or you want to eat at a restaurant.
26:19It's something that tells each other that this is safe.
26:24I think it's a big misunderstanding if it's something that is in a strict way or if it's bound to something.
26:32What do you think, Ms. Nishiyama?
26:33I agree.
26:34The popularity of social media is very big, and there are many voices.
26:40It's becoming a society where people don't want to be criticized, and people are just focusing on that.
26:46So you're saying that people don't want to be criticized, and that's why they're trying to protect compliance.
26:52It's not like they're trying to protect compliance so that they can feel comfortable.
26:57That's right. Even people who work together are criticized, so they can't do this to maintain a sense of distance.
27:03It's becoming difficult to maintain a sense of distance.
27:06It's becoming difficult to maintain a sense of distance.
27:12What do you think, Oya-san?
27:15You don't want to be criticized, so you're trying to make a different statement.
27:22Have you ever changed yourself under the name of compliance?
27:25I haven't changed myself.
27:28I understand that.
27:32I have a profile picture on Instagram.
27:37I ask people if they think it's okay to draw a picture of me with a profile picture.
27:41I ask people if they think it's okay to draw a picture of me with a profile picture.
27:46You don't have any betrayers?
27:49I don't have any betrayers.
27:52You're not afraid of betrayers.
27:55Once you're out, you're done.
27:59I'm afraid of betrayers.
28:02I can't trust them.
28:05You can't decide on your own.
28:09Do you really want to be criticized?
28:12I want to be criticized.
28:15It's okay to be criticized for your own responsibility, but you're not doing it.
28:20It's okay to be criticized for your own responsibility, but you're not doing it.
28:24In recent years, Japan has strengthened awareness of compliance.
28:28Companies have been doing important work to protect the safety of their employees.
28:33Companies have been doing important work to protect the safety of their employees.
28:36Now, after 100 years of broadcasting, compliance awareness has improved in the entertainment industry.
28:43Now, compliance awareness has improved in the entertainment industry.
28:48Now, let's continue our discussion on compliance.
28:53We were talking about companies, but is there a compliance violation that an individual might do?
28:58Yes, I would like to ask this question.
29:01First of all, it is the use of company equipment and equipment.
29:04For example, there is a stationery that can be used freely at work.
29:08If you use such a stationery, it will be a violation even if you bring it back strictly.
29:14Also, it is also a violation to use it on the company's PC for net surfing and smart SNS, which are not related to business.
29:22Also, it is a violation to copy and export data without permission,
29:25but it is also a violation to bring the company's PC home without finishing work at the company.
29:34In addition, it is also a violation to talk about the company's secrets as a conversation with friends, etc.
29:39Also, it is a violation of the budget.
29:41It is a violation of the budget if you do not calculate it properly and do it appropriately at the wrong amount.
29:46It is also a violation if you falsely claim that you used the budget for a dinner party with your favorite person.
29:57I can't believe it.
29:59When I asked my boss if he could bring his company's ballpoint pen home, he said,
30:04but I don't think that's true.
30:10I think I've violated a lot of compliance.
30:12But are there people who bring home ballpoint pens?
30:15Well, I always put the company's ballpoint pen in my bag and used it at work.
30:23But that's right.
30:25The black tight pants that I wear under my skirt are distributed to each member.
30:31Sometimes I wear it as it is and go home, so it says,
30:34Don't put Kojima in my house.
30:37There is.
30:38Is that intentional?
30:39It's intentional.
30:40So I forgot to return it.
30:43There are people who do that.
30:46So when I use the bathroom in the TV station,
30:49it says, Don't take the toilet paper home.
30:52There is a TV station that has an outlet from the bathroom.
30:55I don't know who takes it home, but there are people who take it home.
30:59Who takes it home?
31:01I didn't do it intentionally.
31:03It's a mistake.
31:04It's a mistake.
31:06When there was a lot of money in the bubble economy,
31:09there was a time when it was going well.
31:12Is that the flow?
31:14Mr. Tsunemi, I can't believe it.
31:16Your personal compliance.
31:18There are companies that are thorough and companies that are not thorough.
31:22There are still a lot of companies that are thorough and not thorough.
31:27It's important to take action to prevent this from happening.
31:33For example, information theft is still happening,
31:36but what has decreased recently is that
31:38USB memory was dropped on the train.
31:41There was a case where it was dropped on the train.
31:44I'm sure there are people who are still dropping it.
31:48It's okay to drop it now.
31:51You can't drop the data on USB in the first place.
31:54All the data is on the network.
31:56You can't see it unless you access it in a company's strict security environment.
32:00That's why it's hard to get out.
32:03That's what happened.
32:05As I said earlier,
32:06we have to think about why corruption occurs.
32:10There shouldn't be a power outage or a security outage.
32:13There's also the accounting of corruption.
32:15For example, if you're very busy at work
32:19and there's a lot of competition,
32:21isn't that what's causing it?
32:23Also, there's a lot of pressure on the business from the shareholders.
32:26I think we should have a point of view that
32:29it's more likely to lead to job loss or a decrease in quality.
32:33I see.
32:34Even if you know you shouldn't do it,
32:36you're under pressure to do it.
32:38I think that's what's going on.
32:40Especially in the service industry.
32:42They say,
32:43Mr. Tamura's overtime is up to 20 hours.
32:47In the end, if you can't do something,
32:50you'll be fired or fired from the service industry.
32:57That's why we need to think about why corruption occurs.
33:00We need to think about who's making bad people.
33:03That's right.
33:04Mr. Nishiyama, what do you think?
33:06What's going on here is
33:08that it's a case where people who want to make a certain amount of profit
33:11are causing it.
33:13The victim is either on the corporate side.
33:16When I was a police officer,
33:18there were cases of corruption and embezzlement.
33:23It's because the trust between the company and the employees is destroyed.
33:29That's why they're being held accountable.
33:31The ballpoint pen you mentioned earlier.
33:33If the company allows it to be used for business,
33:36it's not a crime.
33:38If it's a computer,
33:40it's okay to use it for business.
33:43I think it's important to be able to communicate.
33:49Are there more companies in Japan that can't communicate?
33:54Or are there more companies that can communicate?
33:56It depends on the company's practice.
33:58If it's a company with a good reputation,
34:00it's okay to communicate.
34:03As I mentioned earlier,
34:05there are cases where it doesn't work.
34:07There are cases where it's allowed,
34:09but it's not allowed anymore.
34:11There are cases where it's a show-off.
34:14I think it's a time where we need to build a system.
34:19Thinking about it that way,
34:21it was okay until now,
34:24but suddenly the quality of the company changes.
34:28Is that possible?
34:29Yes, it's possible.
34:31It's the same for a company that really caused corruption.
34:34Even if it's not,
34:35if it's the way it's been done,
34:37people won't trust it.
34:38It's not corruption,
34:40but it's important to look at it from a trading point of view.
34:43It's called human rights due diligence.
34:46Human rights due diligence?
34:48Yes, due diligence.
34:49In other words,
34:50it's not just about trading,
34:52but it's also about human rights.
34:55For example,
34:56it's about checking if you're actually doing automatic labor.
35:01I think there's a lot to do with trading.
35:06I see.
35:07I think you can say that it's become more strict.
35:12Mr. Nishiyama,
35:13the compliance of the company
35:16includes the company and the company itself.
35:19However,
35:20there is a compliance that employees have to follow.
35:24If this is properly aligned,
35:26the company and employees should proceed in the same direction.
35:30But if there is a gap between the two,
35:34it will naturally occur in the company.
35:37Yes.
35:38Is the management of the company
35:41able to trust the site and leave it to the company?
35:45If something goes wrong,
35:47the company will take responsibility
35:49and work to restore trust.
35:51Therefore,
35:52while the employees are trading every day,
35:55I think the most important thing for compliance
35:58is to build trust as a useful being for customers and society.
36:02I think that's the most important thing.
36:05That's amazing.
36:06Ms. Oya,
36:07you've been talking about compliance for an hour.
36:10I feel like I'm learning about compliance.
36:13I'm learning a lot.
36:15Ms. Oya,
36:16have you ever felt that the TV production has changed
36:20or that it's no longer interesting because of compliance?
36:24To be honest,
36:25I think so.
36:26How do you feel about it?
36:28Recently,
36:29there was a TV show with a lot of entertainers.
36:33The actress cried.
36:35TVXQ's All Star Thank You.
36:37That's right.
36:38And Mr. Egashira.
36:40Yes.
36:41Mr. Egashira just worked and went crazy.
36:44But it's a tragedy that he's pushing women.
36:48How did you feel about that?
36:50To be honest,
36:52both are not bad.
36:54But Mr. Egashira,
36:56you've been working with TVXQ for a long time.
37:01That's right.
37:02It's about trust.
37:04When did the trust between viewers disappear?
37:08But there are people who support you.
37:11If Mr. Egashira is called,
37:13he'll go crazy.
37:14If he's called here today,
37:16he'll go crazy.
37:17That's his job.
37:18That's his job.
37:19When I was a newcomer,
37:21I was told to imitate Mr. Egashira at 2.50.
37:24I practiced 3.0 in the meeting room.
37:27I did 3.0 with my upper body naked at a company party.
37:31Anyway...
37:44Let's move on to the compliance.
37:48I've just told you about Mr. Tsunemi.
37:52I think Mr. Egashira's problem is quite deep.
37:55One of the arguments is that
37:57Mr. Egashira is not a viewer of TV anymore.
38:02YouTube is the battlefield.
38:04If he does what he does for YouTube on TV,
38:08it doesn't make sense.
38:10I feel that the viewers of TV have been replaced.
38:14And they have expectations.
38:16I see.
38:17That's a big argument.
38:20So, the people who criticize Mr. Egashira on the Internet
38:25are the people who always watch the Internet.
38:29I think that's what Ega-chan always does.
38:31But when the viewers of TV write about him on the Internet,
38:34they can't forgive him.
38:36It's a big argument,
38:38but young people today don't know about it,
38:41including those who laugh at him.
38:43Because they don't have a common experience with TV.
38:45There are many people who do violent things on TV.
38:48I wonder who he is.
38:52I see.
38:53Mr. Nishiyama, did you know about Mr. Egashira?
38:56Of course.
38:57What do you think about it?
38:58As you said, the target of the viewers is different.
39:02The fans of Mr. Egashira and Ms. Jojo are completely different.
39:06I think that the fans of Ms. Jojo can't forgive him,
39:10so they write about him.
39:13I see.
39:14How did TV face compliance?
39:19There were many good things about compliance.
39:23First of all, the number of people who were hurt by the minority
39:27was reduced in the voice of the viewers,
39:29and there was no uncertain health information.
39:32There was also a good point in the production process.
39:34There was also a change in working hours, which was said to be illegal,
39:38and there was a decrease in sexual harassment and power harassment.
39:40In addition, there was a discrepancy in the introduction of intimacy coordinators.
39:44In addition, it is often said that even if you leave the office,
39:47you can appear on the program.
39:49In this sense, it is very good,
39:51but on the other hand, as with Fuji TV,
39:54there are still various problems, such as the fact that compliance does not function in an important place,
39:58or that the way to clear the gap in compliance has not changed,
40:01as in the case of the online house commercial.
40:06I see.
40:08At the very end, Atsushi-san, I'm sure you'll be curious.
40:10I'm curious.
40:11No, no, no.
40:13It's hard for a talent who has been on a hiatus due to injury to come back in one fell swoop.
40:18That's right.
40:20It's hard to come back.
40:23Because compliance is strict.
40:25You have to take it as something you shouldn't do.
40:30I think it's strict for people who know that it was good until now.
40:38But for people who are living now,
40:41there are people who don't know that it used to be strict or loose.
40:49I think this is just the right time.
40:52I agree. I think it would be very beautiful if it was cut off only now.
40:55I agree.
40:56But for people who know the old TV,
40:59it's not enough.
41:01In the first place, there were a lot of people who were against compliance.
41:04I was on a TV show where I was looking for Kogyaru.
41:09That was a hit, and I came out.
41:11I was looking for Kogyaru in the city,
41:15and I started appearing on TV.
41:18But as time went by, I was told that it was strange that he was doing it.
41:21No, no, everyone was laughing at that time.
41:24Mr. Nishiyama, there are things that need to be updated.
41:29That's right.
41:30You can't be swayed by just the word compliance.
41:33The value of trust in compliance has changed.
41:38There is a difference in the sense that it has been offered so far, but it cannot be forgiven.
41:43If you don't update it, you won't be able to keep up with it.
41:47If the gap between the values of companies and the values of the world expands,
41:52I think it will be easier to cause more problems.
41:56Mr. Tsunemizu, what do you think?
41:58I think there are some points to be discussed.
42:00I think we should think about the compliance issue of the TV station,
42:03the compliance issue of the TV show,
42:05and the compliance issue of the entertainer separately.
42:09The TV station should be firm.
42:11If you read the 300-page ad in the Odaiba TV station,
42:15you can see a lot of things.
42:18What you have to be careful about is whether the TV is boring,
42:23whether the viewing rate of the TV has dropped,
42:25and whether there are ads.
42:27I don't think there's a time when TV is so interesting.
42:30The TV station is making something interesting while the compliance and viewing rate of the TV station are shrinking.
42:37I think there is a lot of enthusiasm.
42:39Especially, NHK's documentary shows a lot more offensive content than ever.
42:46I think it's a miracle that this program is offensive.
42:50It's more powerful when you express something within a limited budget and a limited frame.
42:57On the contrary, it's not fun to work with people on the Internet.
43:00On the contrary, they have more budget.
43:03I like TV because it's more glittery.
43:06Do you feel that kind of atmosphere?
43:08Yes, I do.
43:09You work on the Internet and TV.
43:12Yes, I do.
43:14Another problem is that it is difficult to balance the writer, compliance, and viewers' literacy.
43:22As I mentioned earlier,
43:24in the drama, the fugitive is wearing a seat belt.
43:27It seems that this was discussed whether to wear a seat belt at the meeting.
43:31The production team decided to make it a reality show, so we shot it in a private location just in case.
43:36Then, the director of the station said,
43:38As a precaution, the shooting will be done in a private location.
43:44And the anime, Gentsuki Futai Inori,
43:46was also shot in Gentsuki Futai Inori,
43:49but the viewers said it was a violation.
43:51However, the production team decided that it was necessary to develop a story with a focus on character,
43:57so we shot it in Gentsuki Futai Inori.
43:59The production team said,
44:01Please enjoy including these things.
44:03However, this was also a violation.
44:06We have to face this.
44:09I think it's better to draw the situation where the fugitive is wearing a seat belt.
44:15I think everyone should say,
44:17That's weird.
44:19Mr. Tsunemi, what do you think?
44:21It's difficult.
44:22On the one hand, it's a fictional world.
44:26On the other hand, if the director of a company sings a song of Ozaki Yutaka,
44:31it's a violation of compliance.
44:33What?
44:34It's a lie.
44:35He started running on a stolen bike.
44:38He walked on the window glass of the school building at night.
44:42The company's farewell song is a graduation song.
44:45I've seen the director and editor-in-chief who sing it in the recruit era.
44:48I think it's weird that all of them will be fired.
44:50It's weird.
44:51So, the line is very important.
44:53I think there's a difference between protecting the culture and implementing compliance.
44:58And I'm sorry, but I think there's a difference between what you can see and what you can't see.
45:03I see.
45:04That's all for this week.
45:10Let's take a look at the final results of the public opinion survey.
45:13Here's the result.
45:15Yes.
45:16Actually, the majority of people said they were in a tight spot.
45:19Well, I'm glad it didn't change.
45:20But many people said it didn't change.
45:22Let me introduce the results.
45:24I think it's better at work.
45:26In the past, I used to feel bad just listening to my boss shouting in front of me.
45:31Recently, I feel like I can work comfortably because I don't have to do that anymore.
45:36I see.
45:38Thank you, Mr. Sadamichi.
45:40Next week, we will talk about the issue of the Third Party Committee on Government Measures.
45:55You can watch this program on TVER.
46:01Today's program will be broadcast at 6 p.m. on Monday.
46:05Please watch it.
46:07Finally, TVER.
46:08Please be careful of what you say.
46:11I didn't change at all.
46:13This is a story that the world is based on the Internet.
46:17That's right.
46:18Viewers will be happy to see it on TVER.
46:21That's right.
46:22Viewers don't have to watch it in front of them.
46:27That's right.
46:28There was a time when there was.
46:29That's right.
46:30It's changed a lot.