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Will Shahbaz govt be able to deal with issues of Balochistan? - Mohammad Malick's Analysis
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:17The situation in Balochistan is getting worse.
00:21Demonstrations are taking place, arrests are taking place, cases are being filed.
00:25The leaders of the Baloch Jihadi Committee are also inside.
00:29Akhtar Mengal and Achak Zahid, all the mainstream politicians,
00:35the ground realities of Balochistan have become such that they are forced to support the other side.
00:42Akhtar Mengal has announced a long march.
00:45The Chief Minister and his father have been in power, they have been in the mainstream.
00:52But this clearly tells you who has lost the narrative.
00:57The treatment of the government is very strict and there is no dialogue yet.
01:06We will talk about how to stop this.
01:09And PTI, a very interesting thing happened in PTI.
01:12There was a debate when Salman Akram Raja gave this undertaking in front of the bench in Islamabad High Court
01:19that there will be no media talk outside the jail.
01:23After that, the bench said, okay, we will do this.
01:27You met Imran Khan.
01:29There is a war going on in the social media of the party.
01:32The different leaders of the party, some workers, others, you see a grouping in it.
01:39Many people are upset with Salman Akram Raja, the Secretary General,
01:43that how did he give such a big undertaking?
01:46And then they also said, let the decision come.
01:49Today the decision has come very interesting.
01:51Now, either this decision is very strict or the English of the decision is weak.
01:57But in the operative clause, it is written,
02:00this Chief Justice, I believe you remember in this panel,
02:06there was an acting Chief Justice, Mr. Farzad Dogar, Mr. Azam Khan and Mr. Abab Tahir.
02:11It was a panel of these three.
02:13It is written that Salman Akram Raja, who is in attendance before this court,
02:16has given undertaking that no media talk would be given by the person
02:20with respect to the matters discussed in the interview outside the jail premises.
02:24Now, if we take out the literal meaning of this,
02:27then outside the jail premises is the whole of Pakistan.
02:30Is there a restriction in the whole of Pakistan?
02:33The Supreme Court had said that no media talk should be given outside our jail.
02:37This is a matter of law and order.
02:39And in the same context, Salman Akram Raja had agreed.
02:42Now, if I read this decision literally,
02:45then it means that the interviews with Mr. Khan,
02:48they cannot talk outside the jail premises with the media.
02:53Will this apply to the whole of Pakistan?
02:56I am sure he will have to take clarification.
02:58But it is the same thing, either it is a very strict decision,
03:01or the English is very weak.
03:03We don't know.
03:04We will know when the clarification comes.
03:06They remove the skin of the hair.
03:08But this is a very, very interesting decision.
03:12So, Ashraf Zalmarul has also said in a program
03:15that he is seeing himself as a forward group after Eid in PTI.
03:20And he has given a statement that
03:22I am also not in the good books of Bani Chairman.
03:25And in the good books of Imran Khan,
03:28the Chief Minister of KP, Ali Min Ghandapur,
03:32he is also not in the good books.
03:34And that too may change in the coming days.
03:38Are these ramblings of a disgruntled person?
03:43Or is there really something to it?
03:45We will talk about this.
03:46There are a lot of issues.
03:47In the first part of the program,
03:48we will talk to Mr. Rana Sanaullah.
03:50And in the second part of the program,
03:52we will talk to Mr. Sheikh Waqas,
03:53who is the Secretary of Information of PTI.
03:55Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Rana.
03:57Yes, Wa-Alaikum-Salaam.
03:59Mr. Rana, please tell us a few things.
04:02First of all, the opposition will form an alliance.
04:06We will see what happens after Eid.
04:09But your allies have broken up with you.
04:12Today, Jamil Somro,
04:17who is also the Political Secretary of Bilawal Bhutto,
04:20he gave a very powerful speech today.
04:24And he said,
04:25Bilawal Bhutto will announce on 4th April.
04:28And after that,
04:29the movement that is going on in Sindh against the rivers,
04:33the issue of the six rivers in Punjab,
04:35he will lead this movement himself.
04:38And in a very full way.
04:40And you know,
04:41the people's party leaders led the rally that came out the day before yesterday.
04:46Tell me,
04:47you said in my show,
04:49in a program,
04:50that both are helpless,
04:52they will go,
04:53everything will happen.
04:54But the matter has become very hot.
04:56Are you still taking it so lightly,
04:59that this matter can get worse,
05:01if Bilawal Bhutto himself will lead it after 4th April?
05:08No, look,
05:09Mr. Malik,
05:10it will only get worse,
05:11when there will be a situation of conflict on this issue.
05:19There will be a situation of stubbornness.
05:22We are on record,
05:24and the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
05:26Mr. Mian Shahbaz,
05:27in the last meeting,
05:29in which Bilawal Bhutto,
05:31Mr. Zardari,
05:32and his senior leadership,
05:34Mr. Khurshid Shah,
05:36Mr. Naveed Qamar,
05:38Governor of Punjab,
05:40Mr. Prez Ashraf,
05:42and his other senior leaders,
05:45the Prime Minister assured them,
05:48that we will sit with you and talk about this issue.
05:54And there will be a consensus,
05:57and we will act on it.
05:59It won't be that,
06:00you are talking about something,
06:02and we will start acting against it.
06:07We will explain our point to you,
06:09and we will act on it as much as you can understand.
06:12And if you can't understand it,
06:14then we will adopt some other method.
06:17So that is why,
06:18it will only get worse,
06:21when both sides will be in a situation like this.
06:25But Mr. Rana,
06:26this speed of protest,
06:28this speed of protest,
06:30this is after this meeting.
06:32You have mentioned the meeting correctly.
06:34This is after this,
06:35this is after the movement,
06:37the People's Party was not there before.
06:39Before, they were sidestepping it in a roundabout way,
06:42now they have taken ownership.
06:43This is after this meeting.
06:45And April 4th is not far away.
06:47After a few days, April 4th will come.
06:49After that, they said they will lead.
06:51So clearly,
06:52the talks of that meeting were not that good or solid.
06:56Otherwise, why would they have taken such an extreme position?
06:58No, no.
07:00We are completely satisfied with that meeting.
07:03We are completely satisfied.
07:06Otherwise, they will have to take ownership.
07:11The reason for that is,
07:12if they don't take ownership,
07:14someone else will take it.
07:16Right now, the fight is about ownership.
07:19So, the People's Party is a political party.
07:23And they understand the ups and downs of politics.
07:29They will capture this space.
07:33They will not leave any space for anyone else
07:35to take over.
07:38This is your excellent analysis.
07:40You are saying that
07:42on April 4th, which is Bhutto's birthday,
07:45there will be very harsh speeches.
07:48And after that, there will be a full-fledged movement.
07:51This is not because they are getting angry with you
07:53and are preparing to separate.
07:55They want that the same main party
07:57is sitting at the table on this issue
07:59instead of other nationalists.
08:02This is what you are saying.
08:04Absolutely.
08:06This is my assessment.
08:09And I believe that if the People's Party
08:11does this, then it will do the right thing.
08:14It will do the right politics.
08:16And it should do this.
08:18And we should not be apprehensive about this.
08:24We should not start arguing
08:28about what they have said.
08:31Why did they do this?
08:32Why did they do that?
08:34This is what I believe.
08:35Right now, in Sindh,
08:36on this issue,
08:38the kind of politics that is happening locally,
08:40the People's Party should cover this space.
08:43You have spoken very well.
08:47Tell me about Balochistan.
08:49In Balochistan,
08:51Akhtar Mengel,
08:53Mehmood Achakzai, etc.,
08:55the situation has changed so much
08:57that they are also talking about Marang Baloch
08:59and others.
09:00They are talking about their rights.
09:01All those things.
09:03They also believe that they are a legitimate party
09:05of the dialogue.
09:06If we talk about the issues of Balochistan.
09:08But it seems that Wafaaq
09:10is not ready to see
09:12what the mainstream politicians of Balochistan
09:14are seeing.
09:15You are arresting them.
09:17You are arresting them.
09:18They are protesting for them.
09:20Do you think that the approach of Wafaaq
09:22on Balochistan is 100% right?
09:28No, I cannot claim 100%.
09:33But I will definitely claim
09:37or I will say that
09:40especially my leadership of PMLN
09:43is very concerned about it.
09:47It has its full view on it.
09:50And the nationalist leadership of Balochistan.
09:56That is, the leadership of Balochistan
09:59who politically
10:01represents Balochistan there.
10:06They fight for the rights of the people of Balochistan.
10:13But at the same time,
10:14they also believe in the constitution of Pakistan.
10:17And they act according to the law.
10:20The stance that they have adopted,
10:25I think that this stance
10:27should have been adopted by them
10:29because if they had not adopted this stance,
10:33then the entire fair would have been looted by Maharang Baloch.
10:38That is why they should stand on the side
10:41and say what they want to hear.
10:47But gradually,
10:52the connection between Maharang Baloch
10:56and the people who are with him
10:59and the sympathizers with whom he has a connection
11:04should make a difference.
11:07The fight that has taken place,
11:09you know that it was basically
11:12the issue of the dead bodies of those terrorists
11:16who made the train a Yargmaar
11:20and the innocent people
11:22who joined hands and begged for their lives.
11:26They were such good people
11:28that they killed them.
11:32They are not worthy of any kind of sympathy.
11:37This is not the failure of the law enforcement agencies
11:40and the government officers there.
11:42They knew that the bodies of terrorists
11:44were lying in a morgue.
11:46And this is a very big possibility.
11:49There have been many places in the world
11:51where terrorists come and pick up their bodies.
11:53There was no extra precaution.
11:55There was no protection.
11:57They came and picked up the bodies very easily.
12:00Isn't this a big security failure there?
12:03No, look, in everything,
12:05looking for security failure
12:07or talking about this,
12:09I think that the law enforcement agencies
12:13and those martyrs
12:15who have sacrificed their lives
12:17and those who are fighting there
12:19with their lives in their hands,
12:21this is an act of injustice against them.
12:24Sir, there is planning.
12:26You do planning.
12:28I say that the people
12:30who have lost their bodies
12:32because of their incompetence,
12:34they have wasted their lives.
12:36It is their fault.
12:38It is not our fault that we talk about it.
12:40We are not reducing their lives.
12:42This is because of their incompetence.
12:44No, I think that we should talk about it.
12:47But the way we talk
12:49should be a little different.
12:51In everything,
12:53we start with the failure
12:55and then we move on.
12:57You tell me,
12:59the train that was made
13:01with so much determination,
13:03with so much professionalism,
13:05Yes, it was a great operation.
13:07and with so much bravery
13:09within 24 hours,
13:11this operation was completed.
13:13No, Rana sir,
13:15there are no two opinions on this.
13:17There are no two opinions on this.
13:19When this incident happened,
13:21there was a lot of fear.
13:23We thought that
13:25maybe there will be
13:27dozens of casualties,
13:29maybe hundreds of people
13:31will be killed.
13:33This is an unbelievable operation.
13:35And I don't know
13:37for how long
13:39the situation will be like this.
13:41But actually,
13:43I am telling you
13:45I am asking you about Balochistan
13:47because
13:49Listen,
13:51our Zaraar company,
13:53our commandoes,
13:55who are a very specialized
13:57part of our army,
13:59they
14:01gathered
14:03people
14:05around them
14:07and
14:09placed bombs
14:11around them.
14:13In just one moment,
14:15in just one moment,
14:17when they hit
14:19with so much professionalism,
14:21not a single one of them died.
14:23No, no, that was a great operation.
14:25Tell me one more thing about Balochistan.
14:27Look, the situation of Balochistan
14:29and KP is very different.
14:31There is no support of TTP in KP
14:33because they only
14:35threaten people
14:37with mischief and terrorism.
14:39There is a different thing in Balochistan.
14:41Balochistan has a lot of
14:43genuine issues.
14:45Poverty, backwardness, corruption,
14:47missing persons.
14:49These are all the issues
14:51that are exploited
14:53by terrorist groups
14:55and they mislead people.
14:57That's why the handling there
14:59will be different.
15:01I always say that there is no other solution
15:03for TTP.
15:05They don't believe in the constitution,
15:07they don't believe in the country.
15:09The alarming thing to me is that
15:11the people who believe in the constitution,
15:13who believe in the limits of Pakistan,
15:15who believe in things like
15:17Mengel, HXI,
15:19and others,
15:21at least they believe in the language,
15:23Allah knows about the hearts,
15:25they are also forced to
15:27support that statement
15:29directly or indirectly.
15:31This means that no one is addressing
15:33the issues.
15:35Amarang is addressing them,
15:37they are being forced to stand together.
15:39What is Wafaaq doing about that?
15:41I don't understand what you are doing about that.
15:45I don't want to
15:47damage their position
15:49in this matter,
15:51but I think that
15:55those people
15:57are still
15:59Dr Malik Baloch,
16:01Mahmood Khan-e-Chakri,
16:03Akhtar Mengel,
16:05Sanaullah Baloch,
16:09and others,
16:11those people
16:13still believe in Pakistan,
16:15in the constitution of Pakistan,
16:17in the laws of Pakistan.
16:19And
16:21according to the situation there,
16:23if they have adopted
16:25a position,
16:27I think it will be good for them,
16:29it will be
16:31better for Pakistan
16:33in the future.
16:35But the matter is that
16:37in both these places,
16:39in KPK and Balochistan,
16:41as you mentioned,
16:43I agree that things are different,
16:45but one thing is the same,
16:47Afghanistan
16:49and India's support.
16:51Ra,
16:53that is the same behind,
16:55funding, weapons, safe haven,
16:57they call them exactly the same.
16:59And
17:01both are enemies of Pakistan.
17:03They want to break
17:05the state of Pakistan.
17:07They want to harm Pakistan.
17:09So we should have
17:11full clarity on this.
17:13That is why I am talking,
17:15I agree with you,
17:17India is investing money,
17:19it suits it,
17:21it can invest,
17:23there are Gulf states,
17:25but they are exploiting
17:27those who are on the ground.
17:29There is a meeting of
17:31Harden the State Committee,
17:33the Interior Minister is heading it,
17:35he has to take big decisions,
17:37security related,
17:39and Balochistan,
17:41he is listening to everything,
17:43we are not seeing any political element,
17:45we are only seeing
17:47bureaucrats, chief secretaries,
17:49intelligence people,
17:51everything.
17:53It seems that there is a very big
17:55political crisis,
17:57but
17:59Harden the State Committee,
18:01in the world,
18:03hard states are not formed
18:05through committees.
18:07In Pakistan,
18:09there is a committee.
18:11Interior Minister,
18:13National Security Committee,
18:15Harden the State,
18:17Army Chief said
18:19it should be a hard state,
18:21because we will fill it
18:23with the blood of martyrs,
18:25hard states are formed
18:27through structures,
18:29in our country,
18:31there is a committee,
18:33Harden the State,
18:35in the world,
18:37hard states are not formed.
18:39My question is,
18:41this is such an old issue,
18:43of Balochistan,
18:45Mohsin Naqvi will be very
18:47competent,
18:49but he is very junior in politics,
18:51and he does not have
18:53as much experience as many people.
18:55So, this bunch of bureaucrats,
18:57headed by Interior Minister,
18:59who has been in politics
19:01for 2-4 years,
19:03these big decisions
19:05have been left to this committee,
19:07that it will come up with solutions?
19:09No,
19:11no such decision has been left,
19:13I do not know
19:15which committee you are referring to,
19:17and what the Army Chief said,
19:19was a completely different reference.
19:21Exactly,
19:23that is why I am saying.
19:25Yes,
19:27there was no such thing,
19:29which you are referring to,
19:31there was no such thing,
19:33in the Parliamentary Committee,
19:35the briefing given by
19:37DG MO,
19:39General Kashif Abdullah,
19:41and then the Army Chief,
19:43who further elaborated
19:45and qualified it,
19:47there was no such thing.
19:49There is another committee,
19:51Harden the State Committee,
19:53believe me,
19:55who made this?
19:57Government of Pakistan,
19:59Ministry of Interior and Narcotics,
20:01you can see it on TV,
20:03the second meeting of
20:05Harden the State Committee,
20:07was to be held on 24th March,
20:09I have the notification,
20:11it came out on 22nd March.
20:13There is another committee,
20:15Harden the State Committee,
20:17you don't know about it,
20:19but it is a special thing.
20:21Secondly,
20:23tell me,
20:25there is a deadline of 31st March,
20:27to send the Afghans,
20:29the Chief Minister of Balochistan
20:31says,
20:33that we are not supporting it at all,
20:35he is talking about the operation,
20:37he says,
20:39there is no cure for this,
20:41and everything is wrong.
20:43How will this happen,
20:45he is not right about this.
20:47We are not going to expel them,
20:49the Chief Minister of Balochistan
20:51openly says,
20:53there is no question,
20:55it is a wrong policy,
20:57we will not let the operation happen,
20:59you have already answered that,
21:01the operation is going on,
21:03nothing new has happened,
21:05but he is saying that
21:07this deadline of 31st March,
21:09we are against it,
21:11if the Chief Minister of Balochistan
21:13talks about this,
21:15Sadiq Sahib,
21:17our Afghan Amour's
21:19assistant,
21:21of the Prime Minister,
21:23from the Foreign Office,
21:25he deals with the
21:27matters,
21:29he has been there,
21:31I think he has come back,
21:33so this matter,
21:35the news and the statements,
21:37they happen at their place,
21:39but these matters,
21:41will be closely monitored,
21:43and about this,
21:45that day,
21:47the way the briefing was done,
21:49and later the Army Chief
21:51spoke,
21:53he himself is looking at
21:55these things very minutely,
21:57so in this,
21:59there are statements,
22:01that we will do this,
22:03we will do that,
22:05we will not let this happen,
22:07we will not let this happen,
22:09If I ask you,
22:11are you saying that,
22:13whether they agree or not,
22:15the decision of Wafaaq,
22:17that the expulsion will begin
22:19from 31st March,
22:21of the other illegal Afghans,
22:23will it happen?
22:25No, the 31st,
22:27is not such a heavenly
22:29date,
22:31that it cannot happen before
22:33or after the 31st,
22:35it will happen in the country
22:37The way I have mentioned
22:39Sadiq Sahib,
22:41when he came back after
22:43speaking there,
22:45his information and knowledge
22:47will be based on that,
22:49the decision,
22:51the state,
22:53cannot change that.
22:55Is it not necessary for the Chief Minister
22:57to agree?
23:01Look,
23:03when there is a state of war,
23:05the decision of the people
23:07who are fighting,
23:09is more important,
23:11because they are the ones
23:13in the battlefield.
23:15So, the rest is fine,
23:17the rest of the people should
23:19give good statements,
23:21and supportive statements,
23:23but if someone's livelihood
23:25or someone's political
23:27compulsion is in giving statements,
23:29then let it be,
23:31there is no need to fight
23:33Maulana Sahib,
23:35yesterday Salman Rehman Raja
23:37was in my show,
23:39he said,
23:41this is a matter of days,
23:43we will form an alliance,
23:45and then there will be
23:47a movement in the country,
23:49everything will happen.
23:51Maulana Sahib,
23:53do you have anything to offer
23:55Maulana Sahib,
23:57that he should not come
23:59with them,
24:01that he should not come
24:03with the government?
24:05May Allah make PTI
24:07join Maulana Sahib's
24:09leadership,
24:11this will improve
24:13this country,
24:15this will improve the people,
24:17because they are
24:19completely
24:21victims of
24:23the tyranny,
24:25no one knows what they
24:27give statements,
24:29sometimes they go east,
24:31sometimes they go west,
24:33if they
24:35are united
24:37on Maulana's leadership,
24:39and whatever
24:41movement or whatever
24:43they want to do,
24:45then I think
24:47the people of this country
24:49will be better off,
24:51because
24:53someone
24:55genuine,
24:57and someone
24:59who understands
25:01the matter,
25:03will have leadership,
25:05so that is why
25:07I personally
25:09pray that
25:11this matter
25:13gets resolved.
25:15Is this a secret wish of yours,
25:17like you said,
25:19in Sindh,
25:21they raised the issue
25:23so that the people's party
25:25gets united,
25:27so that Maulana Sahib
25:29gets hold of the opposition's
25:31statements,
25:33so you want
25:35your programme
25:37to turn the politics
25:39of this country,
25:41I am asking,
25:43I have a question,
25:45do you think Maulana Sahib
25:47will get hold of the opposition's statements?
25:49Why do you
25:51ask such
25:53questions?
25:55Those things
25:57are correct to the extent
25:59of a hint,
26:01it is not appropriate to
26:03talk more than that.
26:05Ok, tell me,
26:07a bill has been tabled,
26:09two congressmen have done it
26:11in America,
26:13and they have directly targeted
26:15Zaad, the army leader,
26:17the army chief,
26:19that he should be banned,
26:21we have not done it,
26:23but some people say that he has done it.
26:25This bill
26:27that they have moved
26:29in Congress, targeting
26:31the army chief,
26:33will this further intensify
26:35the establishment of PTI in Khilafat,
26:37or do you think this is a non-event
26:39which does not need to be taken seriously?
26:43Look, this will be double-edged,
26:45for the army chief,
26:47his example
26:49will be such that
26:51this is going to make you fly higher,
26:53and the rest,
26:55the PTI,
26:57with the establishment
26:59or with the army chief,
27:01on one hand
27:03they express their desire
27:05that we want to talk,
27:07we should be made to talk,
27:09and on the other hand,
27:11the kind of mission
27:13they run below the belt,
27:15and the way they,
27:17look,
27:19the people who are taking part in politics,
27:21if I am taking part in politics,
27:23and a member of my family is also taking part,
27:25then okay, you can talk about it as you like,
27:27but the people
27:29who have nothing to do with my politics,
27:31those people,
27:33or they are not
27:35directly on any administrative
27:37position,
27:39then going to those people,
27:41and then
27:43making such baseless stories,
27:45making such stories,
27:47then this is not a story.
27:49Rana sahib, the last 10 seconds,
27:51a simple question,
27:53the political situation,
27:55the situation of the judiciary,
27:57the cases are going on,
27:59do you see Mr. Khan coming out in 2025?
28:05Mr. Khan's intention
28:07is not to come out by 2030,
28:09so how can I see him coming out?
28:11He has his own intention.
28:13No, his intention
28:15is not to come out.
28:17He is making
28:19a very firm arrangement
28:21to stay inside.
28:23Rana sahib,
28:25thank you very much
28:27for giving us time.
28:29Thank you very much.
28:31Let's take a break.
28:33After the break,
28:35we will come back
28:37and talk to Sheikh Ogass Akram.
28:39Welcome back to the show.
28:41We have Sheikh Ogass Akram
28:43with us today.
28:45Assalam-o-Alaikum, Sheikh sahib.
28:47Assalam-o-Alaikum.
28:49Let's start on a lighter side.
28:51Rana Sanawla sahib was speaking
28:53and I asked him,
28:55what will happen if
28:57Maulana sahib leaves?
28:59He said, it will be good
29:01if there is stability.
29:03This is a party of vagabonds.
29:05I asked him,
29:07what will happen if Maulana
29:09leaves?
29:11He said,
29:13it will be good
29:15if there is stability.
29:17This is a party of vagabonds.
29:19I asked him,
29:21what will happen if Maulana
29:23leaves?
29:25He said,
29:27it will be good
29:29if there is stability.
29:31This is a party of vagabonds.
29:33I asked him,
29:35what will happen if Maulana
29:37leaves?
29:39He said,
29:41it will be good
29:43if there is stability.
29:45This is a party of vagabonds.
29:47I asked him,
29:49what will happen if Maulana
29:51leaves?
29:53He said,
29:55it will be good
29:57if there is stability.
29:59This is a party of vagabonds.
30:01I asked him,
30:03what will happen if Maulana
30:05leaves?
30:07He said,
30:09it will be good
30:11if there is stability.
30:13This is a party of vagabonds.
30:15I asked him,
30:17what will happen if Maulana
30:19leaves?
30:21He said,
30:23it will be good
30:25if there is stability.
30:27This is a party of vagabonds.
30:29I asked him,
30:31what will happen if Maulana
30:33leaves?
30:35He said,
30:37it will be good
30:39if there is stability.
30:41This is a party of vagabonds.
30:43I asked him,
30:45what will happen if Maulana
30:47leaves?
30:49He said,
30:51it will be good
30:53if there is stability.
30:55This is a party of vagabonds.
30:57I asked him,
30:59what will happen if Maulana
31:01leaves?
31:03He said,
31:05it will be good
31:07if there is stability.
31:09This is a party of vagabonds.
31:11I asked him,
31:13what will happen if Maulana
31:15leaves?
31:17He said,
31:19it will be good
31:21if there is stability.
31:23This is a party of vagabonds.
31:25I asked him,
31:27because
31:29the grand opposition alliance is being shaped up
31:31and we wish that
31:33before it is shaped up,
31:35we want that
31:37all the political parties of the opposition
31:39should be shaped up
31:41together.
31:43If there is a consensus
31:45between the parties,
31:47then there can be
31:49mobilisation and agitation.
31:51We are talking about weeks,
31:53months, agitation,
31:55I am not talking about days,
31:57I am talking about agitation on the roads.
31:59But,
32:01agitation,
32:03days, weeks, months,
32:05what will happen?
32:07Sir, we are in a constant state of protest.
32:09It will take some time,
32:11because when the other parties
32:13come to us,
32:15we will not be the only driving force.
32:17There will be a lot of considerations.
32:19I asked him,
32:21you see Imran Khan
32:23every year,
32:25he said,
32:27forget 2025,
32:29he does not want to come out till 2030.
32:31He has put all the blame
32:33on your politics.
32:35I think,
32:37Imran Khan will
32:39come out this year.
32:41It is our effort,
32:43it is our desire,
32:45it is our struggle.
32:47Allah knows better.
32:49But, as much as we are with Imran Khan,
32:51Allah willing,
32:53Imran Khan will come out this year,
32:55and soon.
32:57And,
32:59I would like to ask,
33:01what complaints will come to our party
33:03in Faisalabad?
33:05Please let us know.
33:07We will ask that too.
33:09Sher Afzal Marwat,
33:11you were a darling, a wonder boy,
33:13you had a big following.
33:15Today, he said two very interesting things
33:17in a show.
33:19People have misled
33:21Imran Khan.
33:23Listen to what he said.
33:49This means that after Eid,
33:51your forward blog can also be closed.
34:20He also said that
34:22there is a risk that
34:24he will be removed.
34:26First of all, he says that there are 11 MNS.
34:28He wants 16. I can see a forward blog being made.
34:30How much truth is there in this?
34:32Secondly, he says that
34:34Mr. Gandapur is not in the good books of both.
34:36So, he can be removed.
34:38The last sentence of the clip I heard,
34:40he said that he thinks so.
34:42I think that
34:44this is not the case.
34:46I think that there is no scope
34:48for a forward blog of this kind.
34:50Because whatever MNS has been made,
34:52it has been made with the votes of Imran Khan.
34:54So, the one who wants to destroy the politics
34:56of his generation,
34:58maybe he will take this kind of step.
35:00We are a part of the parliament.
35:02I don't see any such move at the moment.
35:04This is the first thing.
35:06The second thing, where he has talked about books,
35:08I think that Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
35:10is a democratic party.
35:12And this is not a Morsi party.
35:14In this,
35:16whether you are in the books or not,
35:18does not matter.
35:20The only thing is that if you are doing the right thing
35:22and you are in Imran Khan's books
35:24and you are doing the right thing in their eyes,
35:26then that matters.
35:28If you are not doing the right thing in their eyes,
35:30then there are problems for you.
35:32So, I think that this impression that is given
35:34about Bushra Bibi or Imran Khan
35:36is generated as a controversy.
35:38So, I also think that this is not right.
35:40The third thing is that
35:42maybe he should be removed.
35:44I don't see any such thing
35:46in the last meeting between
35:48Imran Khan and the Chief Minister.
35:50Even before that,
35:52and even now,
35:54there is no such thing.
35:56There is no such challenge at the moment.
35:58This is Imran Khan's party.
36:00The word that you have used,
36:02for the moment,
36:04this is very interesting.
36:06This does not give confidence.
36:08A person says, no, this is not possible.
36:10You have put a margin for the present
36:12So, this means that there is something
36:14which is hidden.
36:16Or do you have a threat in the back of your mind?
36:18No, people have tried.
36:20I said this because people have definitely tried.
36:22And this keeps going on.
36:24People who do not want to see us
36:26as a strong party,
36:28they keep trying externally.
36:30There are other parties.
36:32There is Mr. Hirana's party.
36:34They try
36:36that somehow
36:38there is some controversy
36:40They keep doing it.
36:42So, because this threat
36:44came at the moment,
36:46it is over now.
36:48No, I asked the question because
36:50we are seeing that
36:52chipping away at the block is happening.
36:54Earlier, they were removed from the party.
36:56There, the arch-rival Junaid Akbar was brought in.
36:58Today, if any of the ministers
37:00have resigned earlier,
37:02that the party cannot be formed,
37:04Meena Khan has done it.
37:06Everyone knows this.
37:08There was a lot of negativity in the other camp.
37:10The red flag,
37:12the red wall.
37:14So, this is a great victory
37:16in the leadership of the new political party.
37:18The province.
37:20They said, we have also released Meena Khan.
37:22So, gradually, we are seeing
37:24a lack of influence.
37:26I will tell you.
37:28With Meena Khan's departure,
37:30there is no relationship between the provincial leadership.
37:32The provincial leadership is down.
37:34Meena Khan was the president of the whole of Pakistan.
37:36And he was from the central wing.
37:38The provincial leadership is down.
37:40He was from the KP base.
37:42KP is the victim of politics.
37:44Because the reason given
37:46that Mr. Khan had said
37:48that party offices and government offices
37:50should be separated.
37:52Then everyone's resignation should have come.
37:54All ministers' resignations come.
37:56Those who had an office.
37:58One particular person is removed from it.
38:00There was a fight over it.
38:02So, it means
38:04things are happening.
38:34Mr. Khalid Khursheed
38:36who is basically leading the youth.
38:38He was waiting for a replacement.
38:40I think he has
38:42Let's agree with you.
38:44Let's call it an interesting coincidence.
38:46The first person to leave
38:48was the one
38:50who was being asked a lot.
38:52And who was being considered
38:54very close to Mr. Ali Bin Ghandapur.
38:56We call it an interesting coincidence.
38:58Third, you tell me.
39:00Judiciary
39:02You feel that
39:04the deck is stacked against you.
39:06Your leaders repeatedly say
39:08on the judicial process
39:10after the 26th amendment.
39:12But now, the strategy of the party
39:14is that purely
39:16everything depends on judicial relief.
39:18Mr. Imran Khan's coming out.
39:20Because there are only two things.
39:22Either voting or elections.
39:24Then you can show your strength.
39:26Or you can show your strength on the streets.
39:28Elections are four years away.
39:30It's a matter of time.
39:32The second thing is the strength on the streets.
39:34We can't see the strength on the streets.
39:36If you give an example in Turkey,
39:38there is a movement
39:40from 51 provinces
39:42to 45 provinces
39:44of the Istanbul mayor.
39:46Where the movement is going on.
39:48We can see that
39:50you don't have the capacity
39:52to warm up the streets.
39:54Elections are far away.
39:56It's going on in the courts.
39:58It's going to be a difficult year
40:00for you to come out.
40:02Do you think you will get relief
40:04from the courts?
40:06We have to find it out.
40:08After the 26th amendment,
40:10there have been problems.
40:12If you read the message
40:14of Imran Khan,
40:16his tweets,
40:18his cases in Lahore,
40:20his cases in Durshekhana,
40:22how the new judges
40:24were waited for in Islamabad.
40:26He has said a lot of things.
40:28In many places,
40:30things have become a problem.
40:32After the 26th amendment,
40:34judges have come.
40:36We are a community
40:38that lives by the law.
40:40It's not possible
40:42that we stop going to the courts
40:44or stop fighting cases in the courts.
40:46Our capacity to come on board,
40:48the whole world has seen it.
40:50There was not so much capacity.
40:52You have to admit that
40:54we had to fight 245 cases.
40:56We were scared.
40:58Seeing the capacity,
41:00we were scared to death.
41:02They had to kill people.
41:04Before that, look at what happened
41:06in Charbu.
41:08So, your total way out
41:10is the judicial corridor.
41:12Is this the only way
41:14to get relief?
41:16No, sir.
41:18We will continue to use
41:20our fundamental right
41:22to talk on the assembly floor,
41:26to exert different pressures,
41:28to come to the courts.
41:30We will use all the avenues.
41:32We are not confined to one thing.
41:34Very quickly,
41:36there are some habits in politics.
41:38There was a protest in your DNA.
41:40There is a protest in the DNA
41:42of the People's Party workers.
41:44But people get used to it.
41:46In the past, people were not used
41:48to being arrested.
41:50May 9th was a big issue for them.
41:52Then, people got used to
41:54the fact that even if a case was brought up,
41:56it would be dismissed.
41:58Then, people got used to
42:00the fact that there are cases
42:02and they will continue to go on.
42:04Now, people are getting used to
42:06the fact that Khan sir is in jail.
42:08If people get used to the fact
42:10that Khan sir is in jail,
42:12won't your base become very cold?
42:14No, sir.
42:16We are not getting used to it.
42:18You can see that
42:20people are protesting
42:22because he is in jail.
42:24To deal with this,
42:26people are martyring us.
42:28So, if someone assumes
42:30that the bloodshed
42:32has cooled down or
42:34our capacity has been hampered,
42:36then that is a wrong impression.
42:38As soon as Khan sir calls again,
42:40people will come out in huge numbers.
42:42There is no such thing.
42:44Thank you very much, Sheikh sir.
42:46Welcome back to the show.
43:16I think this is a very alarming thing
43:18when old traditional politicians
43:20who are mainstream
43:22and believe in the constitution and Pakistan
43:24are forced to follow
43:26an extreme ideology.
43:28This should not be given an event.
43:30This is a titanic shift
43:32in the politics of Balochistan
43:34and in the ground reality.
43:36This has to be taken seriously.
43:38This is the time to make
43:40big decisions on a larger picture
43:42but with an open heart.
43:44We have to make a difference
43:46between activists and terrorists.
43:48I take your leave.