Actress and Founder of Pattern Beauty, Tracee Ellis Ross, joins Harper’s Bazaar for the inaugural episode of “The Good Buy,” #sponsored by Google. From her first big designer purchase—Vivienne Westwood pirate boots—to styling her Girlfriends character from her own closet. She shares stories about hand-me-downs from her mother, Diana Ross, and collecting Louboutins for her future wedding (which she now regrets). This episode breaks down Tracee Ellis Ross’s most notable “Buys” and how fashion is intrinsic to her identity.
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00:00I opened the door and I cracked and I said,
00:01Chudney, I don't know if you understand,
00:03but shopping is a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week affair.
00:06You never know when you're gonna get hit with something good.
00:09Hello, everyone, and welcome to The Good Buy,
00:12a new podcast from Harper's Bazaar
00:14where we invite celebrities, designers,
00:16models, and tastemakers to talk shop.
00:19What they buy, where they got it, and why it matters.
00:22I'm Lynette Nylander,
00:23and I'm the Executive Digital Director of Harper's Bazaar.
00:26I'm Leah Chernikoff,
00:27and I'm the Executive Editor at Harper's Bazaar.
00:29And this is The Good Buy.
00:33Our guest today is a Golden Globe-winning actor,
00:36producer, the founder of Pattern Beauty,
00:39and a serious, serious fashion enthusiast.
00:43Very serious.
00:44So much a fashion enthusiast
00:45that she started out in the fashion closet
00:47as an assistant alongside Harper's Bazaar's
00:50Editor-in-Chief, Samira Nasser.
00:52She loves fashion, guys.
00:54She's not afraid of it.
00:55She will wear a look.
00:56She will turn a look.
00:58She believes in a look for every day.
00:59So without further ado,
01:01we are so, so thrilled to welcome Tracee Ellis Ross.
01:04Yes, very happy to be here
01:06to speak about being a very serious fashion enthusiast.
01:11Yes.
01:12But you talked to...
01:13There's two things you said.
01:14Number one, I was an intern.
01:16I don't think I could even qualify as an assistant.
01:18I was not being paid.
01:20Do assistants get paid?
01:21I would imagine.
01:22I think that's new news, yes.
01:23And interns have to now.
01:24Is that so?
01:25Yeah, they have to be paid.
01:26They got away with a lot of free labor from me and Samira.
01:28That's right.
01:29So I assisted the market editor.
01:34And also I jumped back and forth
01:37between Leslie Johnson and Ricky Veeder at the time.
01:40And that's when Samira and I met in 1994.
01:44And how did those formative years kind of feed
01:48and shape your style now and your approach to style?
01:51The truth is, I think my biggest sort of shift
01:55as a lover of style and clothes and fashion
01:59came when I moved to Europe for eighth and ninth grade.
02:03Grades.
02:04I went to the American School in Paris
02:06and then boarding school in Switzerland
02:07and becoming a child of the world.
02:10And also I went to Le Rosé,
02:12which is a very expensive boarding school.
02:14And there were a lot of very, very wealthy people there.
02:18And the students my age at that time
02:20were wearing little fur coats and subariga sneakers
02:23and tracksuits.
02:24And I sort of fell in love with this mix of high and low
02:29and a sense of one's personal style
02:31versus just like wearing like a look
02:35and sort of dressing and using it
02:38as a way to express yourself.
02:40I was always into clothes.
02:42I was the girl who would sit in my mom's quick change booth.
02:44I mean, you can't talk about my style
02:47without talking about what I am born of.
02:50I'm born of a style icon queen
02:53who just redefined all of it.
02:55And sadly, I had access to her closet.
02:58Well, it doesn't sound too sad.
03:00I say that for her.
03:02Right.
03:03So from a young age,
03:06there's so many fun stories about this.
03:08But I think my shopping sort of aesthetic
03:11and what I love was defined from my mother
03:14and her sort of intense sense of glamour.
03:19I have to ask.
03:21Is your mother a big shopper?
03:23No.
03:24Really?
03:24Not at all.
03:25I will say this.
03:26Tracee Ellis Ross's mother is Diana Ross.
03:28So we're talking about somebody
03:30who has the pantheon of wardrobe.
03:33I...
03:34It is genuinely a pantheon.
03:35I can't tell me.
03:36Just tell me now.
03:37It's first of all,
03:38like even her, you know,
03:39the storage that has all of the old costumes
03:44and stage things.
03:47I mean, one time I went in there
03:48and she was like,
03:48what are you doing?
03:49And I was in there like taking pictures
03:51of myself in gowns and dresses.
03:54My mom has had incredible and impeccable taste
03:56since she was very young.
03:58Like many people that are in her position,
04:00there's like a lot of stuff, you know?
04:03So in college,
04:05I called home once and my mom didn't answer.
04:07And then because that's back
04:08when you used to get a business signal,
04:10you know, or like no one answered.
04:11There was no answering machine.
04:13Anyway, so she finally answered.
04:14And I was like, what are you doing?
04:15She said, I'm in the garage.
04:17We are cleaning out the garage
04:19for Aunt Rita to take stuff for resale.
04:22And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
04:23And you were on the first flight back.
04:26No, this is what happened.
04:28My mother learned
04:30nothing could leave the house
04:32without me seeing it first.
04:33And so I would come home
04:34and there would be garbage bags,
04:36black garbage bags filled
04:38with the most extraordinary things.
04:39And I would decide what Aunt Rita could take,
04:42what we could sell,
04:42what, you know, whatever.
04:44And I'm still doing the same thing.
04:46And my mom just has,
04:47she has always had impeccable taste.
04:49And I have a lot of her things
04:53and she has a lot of her things.
04:55And it definitely defined a lot of,
04:57you know, my love of,
04:59but no, my mom isn't a big shopper.
05:00She does shop, but she's not a big shopper.
05:02Well, I mean, I actually, I do understand.
05:04And when you're, when you're, I mean.
05:06I think she maybe used to be a huge shopper,
05:09like back in the day.
05:10Yeah.
05:11My mom is 80.
05:12And, you know,
05:14she has this very sweet philosophy right now
05:17that like, she did that, you know.
05:19Now she just wants to,
05:21and she did it better than most.
05:22I would say the best.
05:24Yeah.
05:25And she really just wants to be around her kids
05:27and her grandkids.
05:28So it's not really about all that stuff anymore for her.
05:31So I was seeing not just an incredibly glamorous woman,
05:35but a woman that used clothing
05:37as a way to express herself
05:39and to be, to have a sense of agency.
05:42So from a young age, that's what I was seeing.
05:44And then I just started coveting.
05:46So I would take things out of her closet
05:49and put them in my closet
05:51to make them seem that they were mine.
05:53I learned a couple of very,
05:55to answer the first question you asked
05:57without going too much off course.
05:58My philosophy around shopping comes from,
06:02I can give you two stories.
06:04One, I would plead a case to my mother
06:09around school shopping
06:11that she thought was hilarious
06:13because I would try and explain to her
06:15that school shopping was once a year,
06:19but that fashion came in seasons.
06:22I love that philosophy.
06:23I need to use that.
06:24And I was like, mom,
06:26you can't just shop once a year.
06:28Like designers put things out.
06:29She's like, well, girl, we went shopping.
06:31We did the school shopping.
06:33That's all you got.
06:34So what she said to me at that time
06:37was if you want to buy clothes
06:39more than just when I set you up for school,
06:42you better get yourself a job.
06:43So I got a job at Ralph Lauren
06:45and she said, you can spend a lot of money
06:47on your clothes,
06:48but you have to take care of them.
06:50And I have taken that to heart.
06:52I cherish and treasure the pieces that I buy.
06:56I take great care of them.
06:57I don't know if you've seen,
06:58but I do hand washing videos on social media.
07:01I mean, I treasure my things.
07:02And so I really do.
07:03I don't like waste or excess.
07:05I really wear my clothes.
07:06I really utilize my clothes.
07:08And then the other one is around 13 years
07:11or somewhere in there.
07:12My sister Chudney was,
07:14her room was right next to me
07:15and she knocked on the door
07:17and I was like, oh, I'm naked.
07:18And she was like, why are you naked?
07:19I said, I'm trying something on.
07:20She said, you're always trying something on.
07:22And I opened the door and I cracked
07:23and I said, Chudney,
07:25I don't know if you understand,
07:26but shopping is a 24 hour,
07:28seven day a week affair.
07:29You never know when you're going to get hit
07:30with something good.
07:31You did not say that.
07:33You remember it down to the...
07:35Oh, yes, ma'am.
07:36I, and I still believe this.
07:39You never know when you're going to get hit
07:40with something good.
07:42It could be in the pages of a magazine.
07:44It could be, you know,
07:46and so those are my two,
07:47like treasure.
07:48I work very hard for my money.
07:50I've made a wonderful living,
07:52but I know the value of the money that I make.
07:55And so I don't mind spending
07:57a lot of money on pieces.
07:58But as you can see on my Instagram,
08:00I wear things over and over again.
08:02I've brought that into my characters on TV.
08:04You have.
08:05So I repeat clothing in my clothing closets
08:08for a show.
08:09And those are,
08:10those would be my guiding forces
08:11on my shopping.
08:12And we want to touch on that
08:13because an amazing thing we found out
08:16when we were doing the research
08:17for your episode was that
08:19in Girlfriends,
08:21your character, Joan's wardrobe
08:23was largely your own closet.
08:25Yeah, the first season.
08:27So traditionally in Hollywood,
08:34black productions,
08:35productions with a black cast
08:37or any Asian,
08:39anything other than white
08:43or sort of mainstream,
08:44usually get a lot of smaller budget for things.
08:47So we had a very small wardrobe budget
08:50and I felt that Joan Carol Clayton
08:55should dress a particular way.
08:56So I was like, no problem.
08:57I'll bring my clothes in.
08:58And I have a lot of those clothes still.
09:00That's amazing.
09:01And where are they?
09:02They are in my archive closet.
09:03So I wanted to ask about
09:05where do they live?
09:06Like, can you walk us through this?
09:07So I have a very,
09:09I have what I think is a really huge closet.
09:11I'm incredibly organized.
09:13I have a closet and a dressing area.
09:15I love a rack because I come from editorial.
09:18My closets have always been
09:20like a treasure trove.
09:23And so I like things out.
09:25I like to be able to see everything.
09:26It's very hard for me to get rid of things.
09:29There's archive closets in my garage.
09:32I don't have stuff away from me.
09:33And I often go hunting
09:35through the archive closets.
09:36I'm incredibly organized.
09:38I could probably have better
09:41temperature for the archive stuff.
09:45I still wear all the same things.
09:46When I discovered what worked on my body,
09:48like the same things still work on my body.
09:51And my size has fluctuated.
09:53And right now at the age I'm at,
09:54like every other day, I'm a new size.
09:56I don't even know what to tell you.
09:58At 51, like this week, I'm like,
09:59oh my God, I'm so small.
10:00Next week I'm like, wow, this is very interesting.
10:03Just you go with the flow.
10:05I think you're incredibly selling yourself short.
10:07There's nothing like your fitness videos
10:09to make me like sink down
10:10and be like, I need to get myself together.
10:13What I say is at 18, I woke up like this.
10:15At 51, I work really hard for it.
10:17Great.
10:18So on the goodbye,
10:19we are always breaking down people's purchases,
10:22you know, this buy, that buy.
10:25And I have to ask you,
10:26what was your first buy?
10:28What was the buy that made you feel
10:29like you had made it?
10:30So when you felt like you'd arrived,
10:32what did you buy yourself
10:33that made you feel that kind of confidence?
10:35I have two pieces.
10:36Okay.
10:37And when Girlfriends happened,
10:40it was the first time I had,
10:42I had, I started fully officially supporting myself.
10:45Like I took over my medical,
10:46like my mom was no longer paying for,
10:48you know, I don't think I was on her insurance anymore.
10:50Right.
10:51And I was like, okay,
10:53every time the show gets picked up for another season,
10:56I'll buy myself something.
10:57So after the first season,
10:58I didn't buy anything memorable.
11:00When the second season we got picked up,
11:02I had longed for and wanted forever
11:04the Vivian Westwood pirate boot.
11:06At the time, it was something like $780.
11:10It was so much money.
11:12It was insane.
11:13You think about a boot like that today
11:16would be about $4,000.
11:17Yeah.
11:18So I'm not saying $780 is not a lot of money.
11:21It is a lot of money,
11:22but that same boot today
11:24is probably like $4,000.
11:26Okay.
11:27So, and at the time,
11:28and I don't know if they make the pirate boot anymore,
11:30I bought it in brown.
11:31Kate Moss had worn it in multiple pictures.
11:34It was her favorite boot.
11:35Kate Moss was all over my wall.
11:37And they had to measure your foot
11:42and draw an outline of your foot in the store.
11:44Yeah, they used to make those boots.
11:46They would make them for you.
11:48And then I had to wait for them.
11:50How long?
11:51I don't even remember,
11:52but it was months and I couldn't wait.
11:54And I still have them.
11:56And I will tell you that a gentleman
11:58was in my closet,
11:58because they presented my closet,
12:00and he was like,
12:00what are they?
12:01Some sort of antique,
12:03what did he call them?
12:05Is this like an antique army boot?
12:07I said, no, it's the pirate boot.
12:09He was like,
12:10and I was like, oh, sir.
12:11You and I will never work out.
12:13Oh, sir.
12:14You, you have failed.
12:16Right.
12:17I was like, you don't know the pirate boot?
12:19So that was the first piece.
12:20And I still have them.
12:21They're so beat up and like they're treasures.
12:24Yeah.
12:25And then the second,
12:27the third season,
12:28when we got picked up,
12:29I bought the very large
12:34red vernis Louis Vuitton,
12:36huge tote, which I still have.
12:38I've had the straps redone three times.
12:41It's a fabulous beach bag.
12:43It is stunning.
12:44It is gorgeous.
12:46And it's still every time I see it,
12:49I think, and I always wanted
12:51the Stephen Sprouse speedies.
12:54Yeah.
12:55And years later, I bought one vintage
12:58and it's gorge.
12:59I love that.
13:00Yeah.
13:00Before we move on,
13:01one thing I want to just touch upon
13:03is you bringing up your Louis Vuitton bag
13:05that you fix the straps on and everything
13:08is one of your tips and tricks,
13:09because we love to give people here
13:10at the Good Buy the tips and tricks
13:12on how to not only build your wardrobe,
13:14but maintain your wardrobe.
13:16Do you think that's a big thing?
13:17I do.
13:18Yeah, I do.
13:18I think, I think if you're going to spend money,
13:22because there's a lot of disposable fashion
13:25that exists in our, you know,
13:27in our culture right now.
13:28I love classic pieces.
13:30And I also try to buy things
13:32that I feel like I'm going to wear over and over.
13:34And one of my philosophies is
13:36if you buy something over a hundred dollars,
13:39every compliment you get knocks off $5.
13:43I really love this.
13:44If you buy something over $500,
13:46every compliment knocks off $50.
13:48Oh, it goes up.
13:49And it goes up.
13:50Okay.
13:50So my bag is, my bag's free.
13:52That's what I'm talking about.
13:53It's free.
13:54We're free.
13:55I love that.
13:57But I do think when you buy quality things,
14:00take care of them.
14:01Like I have a really good shoe repair.
14:03I constantly am fixing the heels on my shoes
14:06because, you know, it sticks in something
14:08and the leather sort of rides up.
14:10The new straps on the Vuitton,
14:12I had my shoe repair do the straps for me.
14:14Moving on to your regret buy.
14:18Okay.
14:18As in, go ahead.
14:19Yeah, no, we can elaborate.
14:21So like, have you ever had buyer's remorse?
14:23Did you ever purchase something
14:25and the next day think like,
14:26oh, what did I do?
14:27Yeah.
14:28Okay.
14:29Honestly, my house is the biggest one,
14:32but I think it's a normal thing.
14:33What?
14:34The initial response after spending,
14:37I mean, it's one thing
14:38if I'm going to spend money on a bag.
14:40If I got crazy about a pirate boot,
14:43you can imagine they gave me the keys.
14:44I closed the door behind me and I was like,
14:46I don't want it.
14:47It's too much money.
14:48I can't do this.
14:49Do you know how many shoes I could buy?
14:53That's actually a funny story.
14:55But mostly I am consistent in my shopping.
15:00Recently, I will tell you
15:02that the biggest regret buys,
15:03and I'm really trying to train myself out of this,
15:07are high heels.
15:09As I said, I'm 51.
15:11I've always had bad knees.
15:12I was a track runner.
15:14And now I have a torn labrum in my hip
15:16that I didn't want to have surgery on.
15:17So I'm working on.
15:19And I love a high heel so much.
15:21Like, I love a stiletto.
15:23I was a So Kate girl.
15:24You know what I mean?
15:25Those are so high.
15:26That's impossible.
15:26That's a torture device.
15:27That's not a shoe.
15:29But they give such a beautiful leg.
15:30Yes, for our listeners.
15:32I'm just intersecting because we have to,
15:34you know, we have to educate.
15:36A So Kate is actually a shoe
15:38that in most recent popular culture
15:40has been popularized by Zendaya.
15:42Yeah, she always wears them.
15:44Oh, well, it's named after the amazing,
15:50the supermodel Kate Moss.
15:51And that's why it's called So Kate.
15:53And it comes in a variety
15:54of different sizes and colors,
15:55but it has been popularized most recently.
15:59I was going to say,
16:00I think Zendaya could be my child.
16:01OK, that's the relationship
16:04between Laura Roche and Zendaya.
16:06And she wears it famously
16:08on the red carpet with all her clothes.
16:09So the Louboutin So Kate,
16:12I have been wearing for years.
16:14I have been wearing, honestly,
16:15since Around Girlfriends.
16:18So I bought a version of the So Kate.
16:21He had a crystal.
16:22It was before the So Kate,
16:23but it was a white pump
16:25that was all crystal on the outside.
16:27And I decided that was my wedding shoe.
16:29So I bought three pairs.
16:31I still have all three pairs.
16:33Is this with no wedding plans?
16:35No wedding plans.
16:37I still haven't gotten married.
16:38I love that.
16:40And now I'm like,
16:40I don't want to wear that shoe.
16:42But you have it.
16:43But I have it.
16:43I bought three pairs in my size.
16:45To be ready.
16:46I don't know.
16:47I don't know why I thought
16:47I needed three pairs.
16:48Yeah, I love the three.
16:50I was very weird.
16:51I have no idea.
16:52But I was like, I'm ready.
16:54So 2012,
16:57Girlfriends, I want to say,
16:59ended 2008.
17:02They had the early version
17:04of the pump and the So Kate,
17:06which dips down on the side
17:07and gives you toe cleavage.
17:09And it's a much sort of blockier
17:11point on the front.
17:13But yeah.
17:14So I think my biggest regrets
17:16have been recently.
17:17I'm like, I can't, I can't,
17:19I can't wear this.
17:20Like just the thought of
17:21it's going to ruin my night.
17:23Right.
17:23But I still do for work.
17:25That feels like in the air.
17:27I think like culturally,
17:29I can't see as many women out
17:32on a Friday night in Manhattan
17:34in a stiletto.
17:35I think I'll tell you
17:36what I think it was.
17:37OK, it was the pandemic.
17:38I was just going to say,
17:39we were all at home barefoot.
17:41Yeah, or in sneakers
17:43or flip flops or Birkenstocks
17:45or house shoes.
17:46I think similar to when
17:48a woman is pregnant
17:49and her foot spreads.
17:52I think all of our feet
17:54kind of got really used
17:55to what it feels like
17:56to be grounded to the earth.
17:58Yeah.
17:59And it's hard to get
18:00yourself back into it.
18:01I mean, it was hard for you
18:02to put on pants
18:03and had a zipper.
18:04Right.
18:05Yeah, I know.
18:05I want to go back
18:06into sweatpants.
18:07But I but on the flip side
18:09of that, like,
18:09I want a little heel again.
18:11Like I was like,
18:11I'm never going to do it.
18:12But I want to go up like
18:14just like two inches.
18:15So I have found like Paris,
18:16Texas has a really great heel.
18:19Great.
18:20And like a nice, great boot,
18:22like a suede boot.
18:22That's great.
18:24The Prada low
18:25and they give you
18:26a really beautiful leg
18:27because the toe is really pretty.
18:29Well, Mrs. Prada
18:30has always been, I think,
18:31yeah, a designer
18:32who was understood,
18:33like not using women
18:35as torture devices.
18:36Yeah.
18:36And her shoes are,
18:37I think, tend to be
18:38really comfortable.
18:39And if there's a heel,
18:40there's a block heel
18:41and there's like a it.
18:43They make sense.
18:44I think.
18:44I think it's a sensible,
18:46very sexy and elegant shoe.
18:49I have that little bird shoe.
18:50That was a shoe I coveted.
18:52I only got the white,
18:53the one that has the origami.
18:55Yes.
18:56So pretty.
18:57I have those in the flats.
18:58I really wanted the oxblood color
19:02and never found them.
19:03It's very sad.
19:04Call them.
19:05You've heard it now.
19:07I don't think they can find them.
19:09I wanted them so badly.
19:10I also really,
19:12I'll tell you a regret
19:12that I didn't purchase.
19:14Couldn't find them.
19:14Oh, yeah.
19:15That was another kind of regret.
19:16The balloon shoe from Loewe.
19:19I wanted it so badly.
19:21You really?
19:22I couldn't find it.
19:22Actually, that.
19:23I don't understand.
19:25I think sometimes
19:26if you like miss the little window
19:27and I'm where.
19:28And then it's just gone.
19:29I wear an eight.
19:30It's like everybody wears an eight.
19:31Everybody's an eight.
19:32Yeah.
19:32And so it's, yeah.
19:34And someone had them on last night
19:35and I was like,
19:36I love you.
19:38Talking to the shoe.
19:39Yeah.
19:39Not her.
19:40That kind of tracks, actually,
19:41because you remember
19:42all of those kind of fantasy,
19:44like surrealist shoes he did.
19:46And he had the roses.
19:47He had a makeup brush.
19:49Remember the one that was a balloon
19:51sitting on?
19:51It looked like it was crushing a rose.
19:53Yeah.
19:54Yeah.
19:54I have those.
19:55And this is.
19:56That's so good.
19:57Why do you look down with regret?
19:59I know.
20:00What is this?
20:01I am the friend that's going to say,
20:03yeah, I do feel supported
20:06in your presence.
20:07My name is.
20:08Hi, I'm the now
20:08and I am a shopping addict.
20:11Moving on to your repeat buy.
20:14What are you?
20:15And this can be anything.
20:16I mean, it's a crystal white.
20:19Tell me when you get married.
20:20I have a lot of repeat buy.
20:22OK.
20:24The Bottega Veneta puddle boot.
20:26OK.
20:26What?
20:27Yeah.
20:28What is the puddle jumper?
20:29It looks like a closed clog,
20:31but it's out of rubber.
20:33Yes.
20:33Yeah.
20:34I have five pairs of them.
20:35Really?
20:36What do they do for you?
20:37I love a big shoe.
20:40The real of it is I have very long femurs,
20:42which is the bone that goes
20:43from your knee to your hip.
20:45It's the reason I was a really good
20:46long distance track runner.
20:49But I feel my leg looks best.
20:50I'm talking in this manner
20:52because it's ridiculous
20:53what I'm saying to you.
20:55But I know that about myself.
20:56I am ridiculous.
20:58And so my knee to my ankle,
21:03I feel is a bit short
21:04and uses a lift really well.
21:06You know, so if I want a flat,
21:09sometimes you need a bigger shoe
21:11and people know I like a big shoe,
21:13big sole.
21:14So the puddle comes in
21:16all these glorious colors.
21:17They look like candy.
21:18So I have yellow, fluorescent green,
21:22brown, black and white.
21:24And you live in Los Angeles
21:25where there is no,
21:26you know, rain to be found.
21:28No, no.
21:28We find rain.
21:29Don't you know that when it rains out there,
21:30it's like a monsoon?
21:32OK.
21:32How often does that?
21:34Often enough.
21:35And often enough.
21:36And I come to New York.
21:37I travel.
21:38You travel.
21:39And I will be prepared.
21:40But I also don't only wear them in the rain.
21:42They're just great looking.
21:43Yeah. Puddle is in the name.
21:44But you don't need to have a puddle.
21:45Exactly.
21:46And then I also overpurchased,
21:48multiple purchased.
21:50I love.
21:51OK.
21:51So do you remember when Balenciaga
21:53came out with the triple S?
21:55Yeah, the sneaker.
21:56I have three of the triple S.
21:58And then when we got into
21:59the other versions
22:01that were a bit lighter.
22:02So I it's it's not it's.
22:04Are we double digits?
22:08Wow, guys.
22:10She has to think about it.
22:11It might.
22:11I might have.
22:13Not really.
22:14I might have about 12 Balenciaga sneakers.
22:16OK.
22:17And yeah, it's not it.
22:19Do you wear them all still?
22:21Not so much anymore.
22:24But I know I will.
22:24I whipped out last year
22:26when I went to Milan.
22:28I whipped out my original first triple S.
22:31Super heavy, super chunky.
22:33Super heavy.
22:34You kind of have to walk
22:35on your bricks on your feet.
22:36Yeah, that's that's.
22:38Yeah.
22:38OK.
22:39I want to ask.
22:39OK.
22:40The dream buy right now.
22:41What are you hunting for?
22:43What's at the top of the list?
22:45That's really interesting.
22:46I don't know.
22:48I think anything Alaya,
22:49Bottega Veneta or Luwebe.
22:51They are three.
22:52They are right now.
22:54They are my coveted Holy Trinity.
22:58Let's see.
23:00There is a belt that I can't
23:02seem to get from Alaya
23:05because I can't seem to find
23:07a size 40 or 42.
23:08They seem to only make a 37,
23:1040, 34, 36 and 38.
23:12It won't go around my waist.
23:14It's like got all this
23:15sort of cut out leather.
23:16That one looks like a skirt.
23:18So beautiful.
23:18It is absolutely stunning.
23:20It is stunning.
23:21From last season.
23:22Yeah, but they just made it
23:24in turquoise and purple.
23:27And purple.
23:28OK, so you don't want that
23:29because I was like,
23:30I'm pretty sure I've seen
23:31the black and white one recently.
23:32The black one and the white one,
23:34we could not get in my size.
23:36And then I just saw it
23:37just hit the floor,
23:38the turquoise and the purple,
23:40and we can't find my size.
23:41So I might have to covet it forever.
23:44So I like that.
23:45Your dream buys are really buys
23:46that if you can get your hands on,
23:48you're more than willing
23:49to like pull the trigger.
23:50I know.
23:51I'm like just shocked
23:52that we can't find these things.
23:54Yeah, but it's I think
23:55that's the fun of it.
23:56That's the beauty of it, right?
23:57The chase.
23:58I have it's yeah,
23:59the chase and the hunt.
24:00So when I was growing up,
24:01I had expensive taste
24:02that my mother was not going to fund.
24:04And so if it wasn't
24:05coming from her closet,
24:07I had to figure out
24:08how to get it myself.
24:08And so I was a huge vintage shopper.
24:11I was Salvation Army
24:12all through college.
24:13And then I just loved the hunt.
24:15I would do the Rose Bowl.
24:17I would go to Wasteland.
24:19I would it was just
24:21like a real treat for me.
24:24And it's funny because I
24:26am not into it anymore.
24:28And it's because I can now
24:29finally afford the things
24:31that I want to buy.
24:32And I'm a big shopper,
24:33but I'm always happy
24:35to return stuff.
24:36Like if stuff doesn't work,
24:36I don't just keep it's very rare
24:38that there's something in my closet
24:40that I didn't end up wearing.
24:42And you'll notice
24:43I think people usually notice
24:44like I wear stuff over
24:46and over again.
24:47It doesn't it doesn't leave.
24:50And I get things repaired
24:51all the time
24:52or I sort of shift things
24:54a little bit.
24:54And, you know,
24:56one of the things
24:56I know about myself,
24:57I'm not a fan of doing dishes,
24:59but I do them
24:59and I will always shop.
25:01I want to talk to you forever.
25:03I know.
25:03Are we done?
25:04No, no, no.
25:05We have one more question.
25:06Yeah.
25:07We're going to come back around
25:08to the name of this podcast
25:10and ask,
25:10what is your most recent goodbye?
25:16We'll take multiple.
25:16Yeah.
25:17There's no I mean,
25:18I'll be honest.
25:19I really think that
25:20I just bought a pair
25:22of eco-friendly
25:24red leather pants
25:25from Frankie Shop
25:26that are great.
25:27I love Frankie Shop.
25:29Me too.
25:29Affordable kind of
25:31minimalist brand.
25:32Yeah.
25:33Really good looking stuff.
25:34It's not inexpensive,
25:35but very well priced.
25:37And they also dry clean well,
25:39which a lot of
25:40there's a lot of inexpensive
25:41that do great fashion,
25:42but like they don't dry clean,
25:44which is really annoying
25:44because that to me
25:45feels like fast fashion.
25:46Yeah.
25:47Because I feel like
25:48you should be able to wear things
25:49if you're going to spend money.
25:49So they're great
25:51and they amazingly
25:53worked really well
25:54and perfect same red match
25:56with a very old
25:57Celine sweatshirt of mine.
25:58Do you remember the big oversized
26:00almost neoprene?
26:01So it looks really good with that.
26:02That pair of pants
26:04I'm very excited about
26:05getting to use.
26:07I also
26:09Oh, I bought
26:11the Azzedine Alaia
26:13nylon balloon pants
26:15with the balloon ruched
26:17sort of half long.
26:18What color?
26:20In pink.
26:20In pink,
26:21which I believe that
26:23again to bring up Samira.
26:24Samira has those pants.
26:26I believe I she
26:28that was her birthday gift.
26:30Did you hear that?
26:31Tracy bought them for Samira.
26:33It was their birthday gift.
26:34Let's all get a friend.
26:38Buy you a lion gift.
26:40And by the way,
26:41with the pink,
26:42I went and fished out
26:44in the archive in the garage
26:46a Louboutin animal print.
26:48They're not the animal.
26:50I can't think of which animal it is.
26:51They're like a sandal
26:52with a lace up.
26:53It looks so beautiful
26:54with the pants
26:55and it's a heel.
26:56So whenever I wear it,
26:57I'm going to be tortured
26:59and then I'll switch.
27:00I feel like there's one other.
27:02Oh, I also bought
27:04an Azzedine Alaia
27:05poplin black cotton
27:07cropped blouse
27:08with snaps at the back,
27:09like a little mop collar
27:11and like a half
27:12dolman sleeve sort of,
27:13I don't know,
27:14like a really boxy.
27:16That's great looking.
27:17And like,
27:17you know,
27:18I can I still happily
27:19show my upper,
27:20upper, upper, upper,
27:22very upper part of my stomach
27:26below the belly button.
27:27We just keep that for friends.
27:29No, that's the obi,
27:30that would put the obi belt
27:31by the way.
27:32Exactly.
27:35Tracee Lewis Ross,
27:36thank you for being a guest
27:37on the Goodbye.
27:37Oh my God, this is fantastic.
27:39I know, I wanted to keep going forever.
27:40We could literally talk.
27:42I could talk about this stuff forever.
27:44Forever.
27:45I can't think of anyone
27:46who's like more qualified
27:48because you,
27:49you really love fashion
27:50and you respect it,
27:52but you're not precious about it
27:54and you appreciate the fun
27:56and the expression
27:57and that's exactly
27:58what Hoppers Bazaar is about
28:00and this is,
28:00that's exactly what this podcast is about.
28:02It's like whatever you want to do,
28:04just do it.
28:05Yeah, it's so fun.
28:06I think clothing
28:07is how we wear our insides
28:09on the outside.
28:10Yeah, it's really nice.
28:11This is lovely.
28:12Thank you so much.