Off The Record | Ashfaq ishaq Satti | Jaffar Express | ARY News | 13th March 2025
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
00:23Peace be upon you, dear viewers.
00:24I am Ashfaq Ishaq Satti.
00:25If we talk about the situation in our country, then Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are
00:32targeted by terrorists.
00:33This is true in its place that security forces are doing their job, but can political leadership
00:38demonstrate unity at this time?
00:39If we talk to the extent of KP, then the Governor and the Prime Minister do not get along.
00:44And this is the reason that when the Governor raises his concerns, no one listens to him.
00:50And it seems that the Prime Minister's preferences are different.
00:55So let's talk about all this.
00:57What are his concerns?
00:58What are the issues?
00:59What can be addressed?
01:00We have with us at the moment Governor of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Faisal Kareem Kundi.
01:03Sir, thank you very much for taking out time for us.
01:06Mr. Faisal, there are many issues if we talk to the extent of the province.
01:10The issue of peace and security is present in its place.
01:13And especially not only that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, but Balochistan is also not only affected
01:17by this, but after a long time we have seen that the efforts, the efforts, the different
01:22operations that we have done, and especially our security forces have made the establishment
01:27of peace and security a certainty.
01:29And that era, from 2004 onwards or after that, the way we were involved in war and terror,
01:34there was a time when there was peace.
01:37But now again, you see the situation of Kurum, then the incident of Banu is in front of you.
01:43Recently Jaffar Express, then the incident of Akoda Khatak, so this is all very concerning.
01:48So you are a symbol of loyalty to the province and obviously this will be very concerning
01:55for you as well.
01:56Isn't it?
02:01In the name of God, it is absolutely correct that the situation of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and
02:06Balochistan is not so good at the moment.
02:09If we look at the terrorism in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, it is different in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
02:16In Balochistan, because the BLA and these people are terrorizing, destroying things,
02:26so in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, especially TTP or Daesh or Kandahar, whatever you say, across
02:33the border, there is terrorism across the border in both provinces.
02:37We have told Afghanistan many times not to use this land against Pakistan, but the Afghan
02:44government has not expressed any concern about this.
02:47Now look at the situation in Balochistan, yesterday the CM also gave a speech.
02:51I would like to make a correction on one thing.
02:55It is my opinion and we were talking to the security experts when this incident of Balochistan
02:59took place.
03:00They said that the way the suicide bombers were present and because the hostages were
03:07accompanied by suicide bombers and they have also done some such incidents, it seems that
03:12they are interlinked.
03:14That is, TTP and BLA and other factions.
03:19Look, maybe there is some connection between them, but the situation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
03:25is not like that of BLA, it is like that of TTP and other terrorist groups.
03:30Now look, the recent incident in Akora Khatak or the 16 suicides in Banu that the security
03:37forces or the police did together, if they had gone inside, God forbid, there would have
03:44been a lot of damage.
03:45A lot of damage.
03:46There is still damage.
03:47It is not that there is no damage, but the thing is that in both these incidents, or
03:50before this or after this, the young soldiers who are being martyred by our army or the
03:55young soldiers of the police are being martyred.
03:57Where is our provincial government?
03:58You tell me, what is their situation?
04:00You just talked about Kuram.
04:01How many months has it been?
04:02There is only a 25-kilometer road of Kuram that the provincial government cannot open.
04:05I was very surprised.
04:06I went to the joint session that day.
04:08So, our PTI, who were probably the MNAs of Kuram, they had raised the banner and there
04:13was also a banner of Banu.
04:15So, they had started their own protest against the provincial government.
04:18This is the job of the provincial government.
04:20Establishing peace and security is the job of the provincial government after the 18th
04:24amendment.
04:25The government of loyalty cannot establish peace there.
04:27If you understand that you cannot establish peace and security, you need support from
04:32loyalty, you need an army, then you can request.
04:35For example, in Balochistan, there is an army and an F.C.
04:38Rangers are present in Sindh.
04:40So, if you request, they will give it to you too.
04:43But when you pass laws against the army in the provincial assembly, talk against the
04:48army, then what message do you give?
04:50The conversation should be such that it can be expunged.
04:53It should not be expunged either.
04:55So, what message are you giving?
04:57Therefore, there are some responsibilities of the provincial government as well.
05:00But our provincial government, which we have adopted, will not consider itself at all.
05:05This is not our problem.
05:08Barrister Saif was giving more suggestions that we are giving TORs to talk to Afghanistan,
05:14so that loyalty will accept them soon.
05:16So, we will ask them, they will say that we are so proactive.
05:20And the governor is saying this.
05:24Look, if Punjab says that we will talk to India, and Sindh also talks to India, and
05:28Balochistan says that we will talk to Iran, and we will talk to ourselves, then will
05:32everything be created or will we do other things?
05:34And our information advisor, I will not comment on him.
05:39He is on deportation.
05:41Whenever the deportation ends, he will leave.
05:43Because he has been on deportation in many parties.
05:45They do not know what the ground realities are.
05:48And the provincial governments never talk to any country.
05:52They talk to the state.
05:54They talk through the foreign office.
05:55So, are these gimmicks?
05:56What is this?
05:58What is this then?
05:59Look, first of all, even if they are talking, did they trust this attack?
06:05Did they trust the political parties there?
06:07We have no trust in them.
06:09They had gone to Afghanistan before and had brought militants for us as gifts.
06:14And our province is being destroyed.
06:16So, I don't know what destruction they are going to do to our province again.
06:19Therefore, if they have even made a will show, have you heard any statement from there
06:24that they welcomed it and came?
06:26So, they themselves want to go.
06:28Our political parties are present in KP.
06:32Majority political parties do not trust them.
06:35They do not have any mandate.
06:37They want to go.
06:38They go.
06:39Otherwise, they do not have any mandate of our province to go and talk there.
06:43And there is no representation of political parties in it.
06:47So, we do not believe this.
06:49The second thing is that you also held a call parties conference.
06:52I remember in December.
06:54You also called PTI in it.
06:56They did not come.
06:57And now see, things are getting worse from there.
06:59If there had been any agreement, then maybe some solution could have been found.
07:02But from that all parties conference, because they have a mandate, they have more stake.
07:08If they had participated, then what would have been different?
07:10The all parties conference that took place.
07:13See, that all parties conference was the work of Mr. Bulandar C.M.
07:17And when I saw these things and when the criticism came to the media that yes,
07:20Mr. Government is also there, what is he doing?
07:22But after 18 minutes, these things are with the Chief Executive of the Province
07:25or with the Chief Executive of the Country.
07:27But then I asked all political parties to come and do this thing.
07:31One party, minus PTI, all of them, because they do not want peace.
07:34They do not say only today.
07:36You see, when he was the Prime Minister, when his national security meeting was held,
07:40at that time, the opposition parties were all the same.
07:42And one person, who was the Prime Minister at that time, Imran Khan, he was missing.
07:45And the rest were all.
07:47Then when the agreement was signed, they wrote letters to the IMF.
07:50They did the 9th of May, they did all the events.
07:53They have never done anything in support of Pakistan.
07:55It is only their intention that they are only in the government.
07:58And everyone should listen to them.
08:00Therefore, they do not want peace in our provinces,
08:02peace in our country.
08:04They always want dissolution.
08:05You see how many times they have climbed on Islamabad.
08:07But the fire in their province.
08:09Is there any planning again?
08:10People used to say.
08:11Is there any planning again?
08:13Sorry.
08:17Climbing on Islamabad.
08:18No, there is no planning on climbing on Islamabad.
08:20They will only increase and kill.
08:21There is nothing else.
08:22We will see first.
08:23Because our CM was playing on both sides of the wicket.
08:26Now let's see if they have a wicket or not.
08:28If there will be.
08:29People will come to the telephone from Islamabad's Sherbada.
08:32And then they will go back the same way.
08:34Because they have to do politics.
08:36They have to show in their party that I am protesting.
08:38And at the same time, on the other side of the wicket.
08:40They are given the way of peace.
08:44Because there are containers all over Pakistan.
08:46No school, college, offices can go.
08:49People's business is destroyed.
08:51But if there are no containers on any road.
08:54Then they are not on the road of Damanikau.
08:56If there is no checking, then it is not on that road.
08:58Because the CM has to go that way.
09:00It is a special road.
09:02The government of Wafaa will also have to see.
09:04Who is the black sheep inside them.
09:06Who is doing this kind of wrong work to the government of Subah.
09:11And even after that.
09:12They have the right to escape and protection.
09:14Tell me one thing.
09:15We also talked to you in the middle.
09:17And at that time there were some phone calls.
09:20There were also some contacts.
09:21So generally these are icebreakers.
09:24That you start a little conversation.
09:27There is some contact.
09:28But after that, he never found the chain.
09:30What is the reason for that?
09:32Does the politics of the ring come in the way?
09:34Because of course.
09:35Your, his, Maulana Fazlur Rehman's ring is also the same.
09:39So they also want to sit.
09:41Then those grievances come in front.
09:43Is it?
09:45No, there is no such thing.
09:47When Pashtun Jirga happened.
09:49And the CM called us.
09:51And all the political parties.
09:54For the peace of this province.
09:55If I wanted, I would not have gone.
09:57We also contacted other communities.
09:59We contacted the Khayal Jamaat.
10:01And all the communities.
10:02Whether it was Sherpao Sahib.
10:03Amal Wali Sahib.
10:04Ameer Maqam Sahib.
10:05Or the rest were our friends.
10:06We went to the CM house for the first time.
10:08And we went because we wanted peace in the province.
10:10And we went.
10:11Pashtun Jirga was there.
10:12We managed it happily at that time.
10:15After that, when it came to peace in the province.
10:17They said, we do not want peace in the province.
10:19We do not want peace in the province.
10:20We do not come to you.
10:21This is our job.
10:22If it is your job.
10:23Then why have you not called the APC yet?
10:25Why did you not take all the political parties on board?
10:27There is nothing in this.
10:28They basically do not want peace.
10:30That's why you have no political power in this.
10:33I am still Maulana Fazlur Rehman.
10:34This is the child of yesterday.
10:36We have been competing with Maulana Fazlur Rehman all our lives.
10:38Whether he fought the election of Shehzad Khalid Bhutto from here.
10:41Against Mufti Mahmood.
10:43Against my father, Maulana Fazlur Rehman.
10:45But we have a relationship of respect and respect.
10:48We have never given anything to each other.
10:51Even today, if they call me or I call them.
10:53We respect each other.
10:55We keep coming to each other.
10:57But if it comes to the province.
10:59If it is a matter of peace.
11:00If it is a matter of progress.
11:01We always work.
11:02But this is a community that wants to spread.
11:04It does not want peace.
11:05If we are very bad, for example.
11:07What have they done for the peace of the province?
11:11Then when we ask questions.
11:12You got 1% of the NFC award.
11:14War on Terror.
11:15600 billion rupees.
11:16Earlier, they were not believing that we had it.
11:18The press conference is on record.
11:20That I did not get a single rupee.
11:22Now that they have received more than 600 billion.
11:25From which era to which era?
11:28Can you tell me the year?
11:30Since the NFC has been awarded.
11:33Since their government has come.
11:35Their government has come from 2013 onwards.
11:38From 2013 onwards PTI's government.
11:40Since the government has come from 2013 onwards.
11:42They have also been asked questions in the morning assembly.
11:45Some time ago.
11:47They got 500 billion rupees.
11:49In the answer to the question in the assembly.
11:51I also tweeted on it.
11:52And today.
11:53Because that money is coming frequently.
11:55So now more than 600 billion rupees have come.
11:58So what have you spent on?
11:59Talk about Kuram today.
12:01I say that there are 600-700 bunkers there.
12:04Government says.
12:05Government says.
12:06They say 400.
12:07We take an average of 400.
12:09So how are these 400 bunkers or meetings made?
12:11You go to Islamabad or Karachi.
12:13Go and make a meeting outside the house.
12:15So where was the government there?
12:17Where was the administration when these meetings were being made?
12:19After strengthening them so much.
12:21You say that why should they be made?
12:23Now the CM is standing.
12:24That I will buy weapons.
12:25I will buy explosives.
12:26I don't know what I will do.
12:27And I will climb Islamabad.
12:28I will take my leader out of jail.
12:30What will I do?
12:3125 km road does not open from you.
12:33You go and sit in the court.
12:35But.
12:36Make your people sit.
12:37Governor tell me one thing.
12:38That in all this situation.
12:40Most of the time you talk to us.
12:42Or you are talking to the media.
12:44So this gives an impression of helplessness.
12:46Now the governor is undoubtedly a symbol of loyalty.
12:48And the chief executive of the province is the minister.
12:50But the governor has no options.
12:52That he can make him sit.
12:54Or someone can talk.
12:56Or what do you have?
12:58Available options.
13:00If the matter is not being settled.
13:02Who will you make sit?
13:04Those people who are supporting the militants.
13:06You can call your representatives.
13:08And ask them.
13:10What is the position of your district?
13:12After Assar.
13:14You can leave the city.
13:16Recently.
13:18A week ago.
13:20Less than a week ago.
13:22The division president of my party.
13:24Former Taseer Mayor.
13:26His brother is sitting.
13:28His nephew is sitting.
13:30His son is sitting.
13:32He is sitting.
13:34His nephew is sitting.
13:36He is an MPA.
13:38He has been taken away day and night.
13:42There are daily incidents.
13:46The situation there is bad.
13:48Everyone knows.
13:50There will be a blackout in the media.
13:52But social media is not a blackout.
13:54The people of the area know what is happening.
13:56So how long will this go on?
13:58So I asked the question.
14:00What options does the governor have in this situation?
14:02What options does the governor have?
14:04The governor has no option.
14:06We are telling you.
14:08I spoke to the Prime Minister.
14:10The most important thing is the loyalty of the government.
14:12After that.
14:14The loyalty of the government is also important.
14:16But the loyalty of the government.
14:18They should also play their role.
14:20Prime Minister.
14:22Since I became the governor.
14:24I have not seen you in Peshawar.
14:26I have not seen you in Sanjeeli.
14:28I have not seen a loyal minister.
14:30The sad thing is.
14:32Bannu has had such a big incident.
14:34So far, there has been no delegation from Wafaaq.
14:36And there are no people from the province.
14:40I have sent the head of Red Crescent.
14:42To Bannu hospital.
14:44But you tell me.
14:46There was an incident in Accorda.
14:48There was an incident in Bannu.
14:50What happened to it?
14:52Wafaaq did nothing to it.
14:54Our province has been handed over to the militants.
14:56So Wafaaq also has to take responsibility.
14:58Three people have become advisors.
15:00Three people have become interior people.
15:02One has become an M.O.S.
15:04One has become an advisor.
15:06One has become a loyal minister.
15:08Three people are running the interior.
15:10I was told.
15:12The signing authority is the Minister of Internal Affairs.
15:14Without their permission.
15:16Without their instructions.
15:18The Minister of State.
15:20Or the advisor can't do anything.
15:22Still, three positions are present.
15:24Why was Parvez Khattak made?
15:26Why was Parvez Khattak made?
15:28What will he do?
15:32Parvez Khattak was made an advisor.
15:34With the rank of federal minister.
15:36Because the federal minister.
15:38Attends the session of the parliament.
15:40That day he attended the session of the parliament.
15:42So he is an advisor.
15:44On the interior.
15:46With the rank of federal minister.
15:48I don't know.
15:50How he will sign the authority.
15:52What he will do.
15:54I don't know.
15:56I don't know.
16:02What do you think?
16:04The minister of State didn't come.
16:06Did you share these things with Billawal?
16:08Or with Asif Ali Zardari?
16:10Or with the president?
16:12Yes.
16:14I did.
16:16When Billawal went to PM House.
16:18We had dinner.
16:20I talked to him.
16:22Bilawat Sahib had shown concern about the situation of Khairul Mukhawar and Balochistan.
16:30I told him that he should visit Peshawar and KPB as well, as the situation there is not good.
16:40My suggestion is that whether it is Khairul Mukhawar or Balochistan,
16:46the government should call for a session on this.
16:49At least the Parliament should be involved in this.
16:53What is happening in this country?
16:55At least this should happen.
16:56Can't the government do this?
16:57Don't they want to do this as well?
16:58This should happen.
16:59I think a joint session should be held on this.
17:03In my opinion, Mr. Amal Wali has also written a letter to the President of Pakistan
17:08regarding a joint session.
17:10The Prime Minister should call for a joint session.
17:12He should call for an in-camera session and give a briefing on security.
17:15The National Action Plan that was made in 2014,
17:19was implemented and a lot of things were done.
17:21Do you think that these incidents of terrorism should not spread to other cities?
17:30This is a concern in the mind.
17:32Do you think the National Action Plan should be revisited or should it be looked at?
17:41I think that the National Action Plan should be reviewed.
17:46If you don't review the National Action Plan, things won't get better.
17:51What are the points that have not been reviewed?
17:54I think we should re-address this.
18:02We should sit down and re-address the points that we think should be reviewed.
18:08We should sit down and create a consensus.
18:12Secondly, in 2013, the PTA fell behind the other parties and the army.
18:18In 2013, we handed over the entire plan to them.
18:21Today, you have ruined the plan.
18:23You say that you have not received the funds and you have not been able to progress.
18:27You have not been able to establish security in the province.
18:29What have you been able to do?
18:31You have not even built a stadium.
18:33You have named the Arbab Niya Stadium, which was an old historical stadium, as Imran Khan.
18:37This means that you have not been able to do anything in your province, which you have named as Imran Khan.
18:42You have removed that throne and named it as Imran Khan.
18:44They say that when we came to power, the treasury had a salary of 15 days.
18:52Now, there is a surplus of 150 billion rupees.
18:55They calculate their work like this.
18:57You must have seen their statement.
18:59Look, the first thing is that the representatives of our municipal institutions are on the road.
19:05They have not received the funds for the past three years.
19:07You were not even planning anything at home.
19:09Our teachers, our doctors, all the people here are on the road.
19:16At this time, 10,000 to 15,000 employees have been laid off with the act of provincial parliament.
19:23Their stoves are cold.
19:25So, the people who were supposed to give one more job, have come to remove one more person.
19:30So, if they have money, where do they spend it?
19:33If they have money, at least make a stadium in the name of Bani Chairman.
19:37Make a historic stadium in the name of Bani Chairman.
19:40They are doing remixes of old songs.
19:47Remove the throne and name it as Bani Chairman.
19:50And say that we have made a new stadium.
19:52So, tell me one thing, Governor, that you have this honor
19:57that you are the youngest deputy speaker of the National Assembly.
20:02You were 33 when you were elected.
20:04And if we talk about parliamentary politics,
20:06that was the only time when you were successful in the National Assembly.
20:10After that, it has been 12 years.
20:13You have contested many times, but you were not successful.
20:16Even now, you have a key post, but that post is just a symbol.
20:20It is not like you can take any action in it.
20:24So, what are you thinking about returning to parliamentary politics?
20:27And what is the reason that you were successful at that time,
20:29but you were not successful after that for some reason?
20:31What were the reasons for that?
20:33Look, in the off and on elections, everything is going on.
20:38And right now, like our PTI friends are saying,
20:41that the G-Form 47 is going on,
20:43tell me, what happened in D-Khan?
20:45We say that there is an election in D-Khan.
20:47And even after the election, when the party tells me,
20:50that whenever there is an election, I will fight for the party.
20:52I will fight for the country.
20:53We will end parliamentary politics.
20:55Even now, our D-Khan district,
20:58which belongs to Maulana Fazlur Rahman,
21:00and which belongs to our CM,
21:02we are the majority party in D-Khan right now.
21:04Right now, we have MNA from D-Khan,
21:07we have two MPAs, and we have three Tahseer Mayors.
21:10So, we are the majority party in D-Khan,
21:12with the help of both these people.
21:14And God willing, whenever, as I said before,
21:18when PTI finds out that Mir Jafar and Mir Sadiq are among them,
21:22then things will be fine.
21:24So, when a person will play on both sides of the wicket,
21:27and when he becomes the CM,
21:30then he will understand how to play on both sides of the wicket.
21:34But are there any factors here,
21:36because of which, I am sure, you must have thought about these things.
21:39Okay, you fought against Fazlur Rahman,
21:42and then against Ali Ameen Gandapur.
21:44So, in the beginning, after the success,
21:46the question was, what could be the reason,
21:48that you are accepted,
21:50you have a say in the party,
21:52so what could be the reason for not being successful here?
21:55Look, when you have to bring your beloved to the parliament,
21:58then you will have to make a sacrifice.
22:00If you win the assembly from the bottom,
22:02and don't win from the top,
22:04then understand that you have a special beloved,
22:06whom it was necessary to bring to the parliament at that time,
22:08and he had to come.
22:10And then he had to bring him back to the opposition.
22:12Today, you see, the PTI people themselves are saying,
22:14that we have been treated unjustly.
22:16So, if you sit down, and when,
22:18as I said before, you will play on both sides of the wicket,
22:20and you will sit down and tell,
22:22that someone has to be defeated,
22:24this has to be done,
22:26this has to be done,
22:28this has to be done,
22:30so when you will come like this,
22:32through pick and choose,
22:34and you will get the facilities,
22:36then two people will definitely lose.
22:38Today, Maulana Sahib is saying,
22:40that I have been robbed of my rights.
22:42If Maulana Sahib has been robbed of his rights,
22:44then who has got the property?
22:46The PTI has got it.
22:48So, if elections are prohibited in three provinces,
22:50then in one province, elections have become permissible.
22:52So, do you think,
22:54that the grievances of Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
22:56are also present?
22:58So, in the near future,
23:00what is your assessment,
23:02that will he be able to sit with Ali Amin Gandapur,
23:04or with the PTI,
23:06or will he be able to lead
23:08any protest against the government?
23:10Federal government, that is.
23:12See, in politics,
23:14there is no end to it.
23:16The Islamabad chapter of PTI,
23:18because the government chapter is in KP,
23:20the Islamabad chapter,
23:22every evening,
23:24goes to Maulana Sahib's feet,
23:26and begs him to get us out of this mess.
23:28You are our political messiah.
23:30These are the same people,
23:32who used to call Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
23:34and there were no prayers for them.
23:36Calling him Maulana was also a crime.
23:38Now, Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
23:40is being told that prayers have become permissible,
23:42and are being accepted,
23:44and their political leaders are also...
23:46But only to the extent of loyalty.
23:48Exactly.
23:50Secondly, when they are sitting there,
23:52our government PTI, KP,
23:54calls them bad,
23:56and is also making fun of them.
23:58First, the PTI,
24:00and this is also a sign of a political apocalypse,
24:02that Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
24:04will be an ally of the PTI,
24:06and will lead its opposition.
24:08But in politics, there is no end to it.
24:10People sit and talk.
24:12We used to say that democracy is the best revenge.
24:14So, Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
24:16is showing his trollers to the workers,
24:18that look, your party,
24:20which used to give statements against me,
24:22is now being used as an excuse
24:24to take pictures.
24:26So, in politics, there is no end to it.
24:28People sit and talk.
24:30Let's see what happens.
24:32We'll take a break here.
24:34We'll be back after the break.
24:36Stay with us.
24:40We'll be back after the break.
24:42Governor Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Faisal Kareem Kundi
24:44is with us now.
24:46Mr. Faisal,
24:48can you tell us,
24:50the security of the People's Party,
24:52especially with the government,
24:54is a very tricky situation.
24:56And we would like to know from you,
24:58how can we define this?
25:00There are people with the government,
25:02there are people who are not a part of the government,
25:04and the cabinet has been added again.
25:06We saw that Mr. Parvez Khattak left,
25:08but no one left the People's Party.
25:10So, do you think there is a special reason for this?
25:12Look,
25:14when the election happened,
25:16there was the Sunni Ijtihad Council,
25:18there was the People's Party,
25:20there was the PMLN.
25:22The PMLN contacted the Pakistan People's Party,
25:24and because it was the majority party,
25:26we allied with them,
25:28and it was their prime minister.
25:30Our party had a meeting,
25:32when we were going to unite,
25:34and it was decided,
25:36based on our 16-month experience,
25:38and the PMLN was also saying that
25:40we will support this government,
25:42but we will not be a part of the cabinet.
25:44Because the situation was that
25:46if we did not support it at that time,
25:48there was no majority,
25:50and this country was not ready
25:52to go back to the election.
25:54So, we supported it.
25:56Through the media,
25:58we knew that we were getting
26:00offers again and again,
26:02and we were going to be a part of the cabinet.
26:04That thing also ended.
26:06We said again and again that
26:08we will not be a part of the cabinet.
26:10Our core committee has to decide
26:12whether we will be a part of the cabinet or not.
26:14Recently, when we had a CC meeting,
26:16there was no such thing
26:18that we will be a part of the cabinet.
26:20So, the cabinet has expanded.
26:22It is a good thing that the cabinet has expanded,
26:24because each minister had 2-3 departments.
26:26They could not handle their ministries,
26:28and they could not give time
26:30to the other ministries.
26:32So, it is a good thing that
26:34the ministers of each department
26:36have been selected.
26:38They have been selected as advisors
26:40on the interior.
26:42They are members of the Prime Minister's team.
26:44So, they can tell us
26:46what they have done.
26:48Is there any reason
26:50to control them?
26:52Is it possible that
26:54Ali Ameen Gandapur
26:56wants to go to Wifaq tomorrow,
26:58and then Parvez Khattak
27:00is ready to welcome him?
27:02I don't think so.
27:04Mohsin Naqvi
27:06doesn't have the competence
27:08to control them.
27:10But, Mohsin Naqvi has adopted them.
27:12Maybe there is a reason for that.
27:14But, I don't think
27:16that the government's policy
27:18will be implemented on them.
27:20Whether Mohsin Naqvi, Parvez Khattak,
27:22or Talal Chaudhary,
27:24or the government's policy,
27:26or the Minister of State,
27:28or Talal Chaudhary,
27:30all three are in the same team.
27:32But, I don't think
27:34they will come back to Islamabad.
27:36They will not cross the Attock Pool.
27:38Secondly, do you think
27:40that Maulana Fuzloor Rehman
27:42and Ali Ameen Gandapur
27:44are in the same team?
27:46No, I don't think
27:48that they are in the same team.
27:50If they can stand with
27:52Maulana Chakzai,
27:54then they can stand with anyone.
27:56There is nothing wrong with politics.
27:58They can stand together,
28:00but I don't think so.
28:04What could be the reason for that?
28:06Is Maulana Fuzloor Rehman
28:08unwilling to stand with Ali Ameen Gandapur?
28:10Or does he give a statement
28:12every few days
28:14that will put JUI back on its feet?
28:16No, I think
28:18that Ali Ameen Gandapur's policy
28:20is going well.
28:22He gives a statement
28:24so that Maulana Fuzloor Rehman
28:26is not in the same team.
28:28If Maulana Fuzloor Rehman
28:30is in the same team as Ali Ameen Gandapur,
28:32then the other leaders
28:34who are in the same team
28:36will be seen as pawns.
28:38He doesn't want them
28:40to be seen as pawns.
28:42He wants to be a leader.
28:44That's why he gives such statements
28:46so that the opposition
28:48doesn't get the upper hand.
28:50Or maybe he is running
28:52a demand program.
28:54What do you think?
28:56The majority of people
28:58don't want Bani PTI to come out.
29:00That's why they want
29:02the status of PTI.
29:04Do you think there is
29:06any such impression?
29:08Yes, the majority of people
29:10don't want Bani PTI to come out.
29:12When Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi
29:14were punished,
29:16did you see any protest
29:18in any corner of Pakistan?
29:20Did you see any protest
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