La ciudad de Bahía Blanca enfrenta una crisis tras intensas lluvias que han dejado gran parte de la región bajo el agua. Con al menos 16 fallecidos y cerca de 100 personas desaparecidas, la comunidad argentina ha mostrado una notable solidaridad, donando recursos esenciales como agua potable y alimentos. Sin embargo, la magnitud del desastre plantea desafíos logísticos significativos. Las autoridades locales y nacionales trabajan juntas para coordinar esfuerzos de ayuda y reconstrucción, mientras se discuten soluciones a largo plazo para mitigar futuros desastres climáticos.
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00:00Seeing you all morning, it's very difficult to add a qualifier.
00:04No, no, I still...
00:06Since the tragedy of this giant, it always happens to me, you end up...
00:11You always end up highlighting what Argentine citizenship is, right?
00:15It's impressive.
00:16I mean, we're crazy, we're crazy, you see crazy things.
00:20But when something happens, a tragedy,
00:24how much above all politics they are, huh?
00:27Because the response of the citizens...
00:29Luckily, in this case, I don't think there was another alternative.
00:34No, differences were left aside and this...
00:38I mean, it's either nation and province together or not.
00:40But it started difficult at the time and luckily it corrected itself.
00:43No, it changed quickly.
00:44Luckily it corrected itself.
00:45Yes, it changed quickly.
00:45But you know what happens to me?
00:46I come, I used to come through here, through the Palermo area,
00:49and I passed in front of the Sí Foundation, Manu's.
00:52And people are standing in line.
00:55No, no, it's a parish, the parish of Caballito is asking for trucks,
00:59because they don't have enough.
01:01They don't have enough.
01:02Now there's a shortage of logistics.
01:03It's so much what people are donating.
01:05Of course.
01:06I mean, and this is Buenos Aires, a city.
01:08I mean, this, multiply it by the whole city of the country.
01:10By the whole, totally.
01:11Now, in a little while, we're going to pass what Antonio did,
01:14we'll keep saying where, what, because then it starts,
01:18as you said, to need some things that we don't have.
01:22Fundamentally, there's no drinking water.
01:25So, the water in the embassies is exhausted,
01:30in all of Hia Blanca.
01:31Water is fundamental.
01:32Drinking pills, chlorine, lavender,
01:36everything that has to do with cleaning, of course,
01:38mattresses and their clothes, the usual.
01:39And it doesn't cease to be.
01:40But everything was lost.
01:41Everything, right?
01:42Food, everything was lost.
01:44It's shocking.
01:45Yesterday I was talking to Juan, who is a friend who is from there,
01:48and he told me, you have no idea.
01:50I mean, it's something tremendous.
01:52Unfortunately, let's review.
01:53So far, 16 dead.
01:55Yes.
01:56We fear that the number may continue to rise.
01:59There are almost 100 people.
02:00100 missing.
02:01Of course, 100 people who are not located.
02:04This is clarified because it can happen,
02:06as communications are failing.
02:08It may happen that they are in shelters and that they have not been located.
02:12That's why we're talking about people who are not located.
02:14Not located.
02:15I want to add Ruben Rabanal, who has more data on this topic.
02:19Now, I flew to Bahia Blanca yesterday.
02:22What are you doing, Ruben?
02:23To see from the air.
02:25Now, what I'm also thinking about is,
02:28in the electrical service, you said,
02:3065% of the city has already returned.
02:32Yes, they have a problem with that,
02:34because as there are many areas where the buildings still have water in the subsurface,
02:38there they cannot restore the service.
02:40So there are many areas where,
02:42from the capacity, they can do it,
02:44but for a matter of risk, no.
02:46Because there are still areas with a lot of water.
02:48There you have an advantage,
02:50which would be a disadvantage of its development,
02:52and that is that the network cable is not...
02:54It's aerial.
02:55It's aerial.
02:56So you have the problem that Antonio says,
02:58today they told me in the morning.
02:59It's the houses that are the problem, not the transmission.
03:01No, no, because you see,
03:03it's not like it was in 2023,
03:05where there was almost a tornado.
03:07Here, you have practically the cable,
03:10the problem is that you can't enable it.
03:13The three blows of Bahia Blanca,
03:17Pedrea, Granizo, the tornado,
03:19and this.
03:20The only thing I'm starting to ask now
03:22are two things for all cities.
03:25Risk reduction and damage.
03:27Ask those who know.
03:28I told you,
03:29you know that for family reasons,
03:30Vera's mother, Virginia Alaino,
03:32works in Cruz Roja,
03:33worked in Tsunami,
03:34wherever you can think of.
03:35And when I met her, she told me,
03:37she said,
03:38there are things you have to take,
03:39protection of documents,
03:40of medicines,
03:41of...
03:42Well, wait.
03:43There is something that is basic.
03:44You can't build a hospital in an inundated area.
03:46No, of course.
03:47But for that, you have to...
03:48You have to do public work.
03:49You have to do public work.
03:50Of course.
03:51And the other thing.
03:52The issue of...
03:53Unlock the impossibility
03:55that cell phone companies send messages.
03:57Of course.
03:58And they explained to me why text messages
04:00and not WhatsApp.
04:01First, because WhatsApp consumes more.
04:03Supposedly, the network,
04:06to connect,
04:07in exchange for a text message,
04:08is immediate.
04:09Then I say,
04:10give them what they need.
04:11For companies, they send it.
04:12They send their messages.
04:13They consume and such,
04:14they arrive,
04:15you have to look for...
04:16That is useful for this issue.
04:17Now, I was telling you...
04:18Excuse me.
04:19Yesterday I went to...
04:20I had to fly there.
04:21I saw that you flew, yes.
04:23From above, it's something...
04:24Now,
04:25this is an urban center,
04:26it's terrible.
04:27If you saw,
04:28a large part of the province of Buenos Aires
04:30is underwater.
04:31Fields,
04:32underwater.
04:34Because all this rain,
04:35actually,
04:36this is what Nacho has been telling me for a long time,
04:37a whole middle strip of the province of Buenos Aires
04:40has been raining for weeks.
04:43I can't think of asking you,
04:45I imagine what it's like to see from the air
04:47what Bahía Blanca is like.
04:49White Sands,
04:50and everything else outside,
04:51it's all underwater.
04:52Completely.
04:53No,
04:54what has happened is dramatic.
04:56Did you go for a health flight?
04:58No,
04:59we went to transport people
05:00who have to do with the reconstruction of this.
05:02Of course.
05:04On purpose,
05:05for the reconstruction.
05:06What is expected, Rubén?
05:07Let's see,
05:08these numbers were thrown,
05:09which are very...
05:10I was listening to Antonio this morning.
05:1110 billion is...
05:13No,
05:14there are three olives.
05:16And if it's a drop of water,
05:17it's not legal.
05:18It's a little bit.
05:19Let's see,
05:20400 billion,
05:22it's a little bit.
05:23400 billion pesos
05:25is 350 million dollars.
05:27Less than 350 million dollars.
05:28I calculate 400 million dollars,
05:29but it's less.
05:31Here...
05:32You don't know how much it's going to be.
05:33You don't know.
05:34This morning,
05:35I spoke with a specialist
05:36at the Ministry of Economy
05:37in external financing
05:38to ask
05:39how this is solved.
05:41They tell you,
05:42there are two organisms
05:44that are going to intervene here,
05:45directly,
05:46which are BIDI and Banco Mundial,
05:47that have lines for this,
05:49that don't have lines
05:50to put lighting on the street,
05:52that don't have lines
05:53to make cloacas.
05:54Yes, for this.
05:55Here, the problem is
05:56without blaming anyone.
05:57Here you have 20 years
05:58of water infrastructure
05:59in the province of Buenos Aires.
06:00Yes.
06:0120, no, 40.
06:02Or 40.
06:03But there is also another thing.
06:04Just talking
06:05with a hydraulic engineer,
06:06he tells me,
06:07this,
06:08no matter how much work you have,
06:09No, it's true.
06:10300 millimeters in 8 hours.
06:11It's the climatic change.
06:12There is no way.
06:13There is no way.
06:14Not here,
06:15not in the United States.
06:16Look what happened in Valencia.
06:17In Spain they have more work.
06:18Yes, yes, yes.
06:19In La Dana.
06:20No, apart from that,
06:21I say,
06:22we have to get used to
06:23that we are going to have this.
06:24Then we can discuss.
06:25You see that the ecologists
06:26now on Friday
06:27I was with a group of ecologists
06:28of the cementification
06:29of indiscriminate cities
06:30that makes
06:31the water not drain
06:32and run faster.
06:33Then I say,
06:34there it is the same.
06:35Yes, well,
06:36Valle Blanca
06:37is a large part
06:38of the streets of the land.
06:39Yes, of course.
06:40Outside the center.
06:41But in the lower part,
06:42that is,
06:43the upper part
06:44that is more
06:45more paved.
06:46It caused a cataract.
06:47Impossible.
06:48Impossible.
06:49Impossible.
06:50No,
06:51but it is impossible
06:52not to understand this
06:53as part of climate change.
06:54It can't be that
06:55these things
06:56start to happen.
06:57Now,
06:58it is not the same
06:59in the cities
07:00than what Antonio just marked
07:01that is also explained to you
07:02than what Antonio just marked
07:03which is the field.
07:04There is a green issue.
07:05Because in the cities
07:06this is uncontrollable.
07:07Yes.
07:08Now,
07:09there is a water issue
07:10that in the field
07:12affects.
07:13There is a lot of work that is missing.
07:14There is a lot of work
07:15of relief channels
07:16that are missing.
07:17What can you say?
07:18Do they solve this for you?
07:19They don't solve it for you.
07:20But somehow,
07:21today an engineer explained to me
07:22in the morning
07:23who works
07:24an engineer
07:25who works for the Ministry of Economy
07:26the cities
07:27what is the difference
07:28we have
07:29our cities
07:30with the European cities.
07:31All European cities
07:32have a river
07:33that passes through them.
07:34We build cities
07:35in some places
07:36in Palanganas
07:37where the water
07:38has to be taken out by force.
07:39Between two courses
07:40of Valle Blanca water.
07:41If you need to go to Complea Mar
07:42you can't let the water go down.
07:43Exactly.
07:44Or as it happened
07:45in the city of Buenos Aires
07:46where, sorry,
07:47I don't want to advertise anyone
07:48but works were made.
07:49The only big works
07:50are being advertised
07:51by the program.
07:52And the truth is
07:53that they are right about that.
07:54The only waterworks
07:55of dimension
07:56and importance
07:57were made
07:58in the city of Buenos Aires.
07:59Maldonado.
08:00Maldonado.
08:01The mouth regulators.
08:02I have a question
08:03because I don't know.
08:04In many
08:05I know from my area
08:06in many places
08:07there are artificial irrigation channels
08:08that go against
08:09I mean,
08:11they are doing what they can.
08:12Yes, well,
08:13that happens in Gran Buenos Aires
08:14in all the area
08:15you have
08:16a lot of people
08:17who make their own channel
08:18and end up flooding
08:19the field next to it
08:20Exactly.
08:21That's forbidden.
08:22It's forbidden.
08:23In Valle Blanca
08:24is that allowed?
08:25I don't know.
08:26It's a question.
08:27I don't know.
08:28I think in the city no.
08:29In the fields yes
08:30and it's forbidden in fact
08:31because what you do
08:32is throw your problem
08:33to the neighbor.
08:34You know what I'm thinking?
08:35Today we are going
08:36to dedicate ourselves
08:37to Valle Blanca.
08:38Today it's going to be
08:39obviously
08:40to stop a river
08:41to raise the level
08:42to raise the lake
08:43and make it
08:44more beautiful
08:45to beautify
08:46Rio Hondo
08:47because the Moto GP
08:48Grand Prix is coming.
08:49Moto GP.
08:50Yes.
08:51I'm going back
08:52in the middle of Valle Blanca
08:53Yes, yes.
08:54These are images there
08:55these are
08:56how they are
08:57planting
08:58carrots
08:59well,
09:00different types
09:01of vegetables
09:02and vegetables
09:03and they complain
09:04because Governor Zamora
09:05stopped the river
09:06so that the lake
09:07goes up
09:08so that the water level
09:09goes up
09:10and so that when the Moto GP
09:11comes out
09:12which it seems
09:13that it is fanatical
09:14I think it will be
09:15on the weekend
09:16the lake is beautiful
09:17Hey, seriously
09:18today we are going
09:19to take a second
09:20to Zamora
09:21to the Zamora dynasty
09:22that are turning
09:23look how it was
09:24at a time
09:25in which Santiago
09:26I don't understand anything
09:27Santiago is also multiplying
09:28the European production
09:29because
09:30one of the future
09:31of Santiago
09:32is in this
09:33I'm telling you
09:34we don't understand anything
09:35No
09:36I mean
09:37No
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10:08as always, but I say, isn't it the structure of the armed forces that helps?
10:11Yes, they are helping, four vehicles have already arrived,
10:14and it seems that what happened is so serious,
10:17that they are doing things, but it does not reach anything, but well.
10:22Well, nothing, anything else we have to know, that is important to say?
10:26A graph will appear, I saw it throughout Antonio's program,
10:31for the people who want to send us videos from Bahía Blanca,
10:34and if not, our social networks, if you are going to say, sorry.
10:36No, this issue of assistance is very good,
10:38I know that it is very difficult to understand it in dimension,
10:41but what has to appear quickly is the big money.
10:43The assistance is something very much of the moment of each family,
10:47the one that does not have diapers, the one that does not have water, the one that does not have alcohol.
10:50No, but that's why here it is nation, province, province, nation.
10:52That's what I was going to say.
10:54There is no alternative.
10:55That photo that we saw on the weekend that was so reassuring to all of us,
10:59to see Kicillof with the national government,
11:01that has to be multiplied in an hour.
11:05We spoke with Carlos Bianco and he highlighted the joint work.
11:09Yes, it came out here at half past ten in the morning,
11:11and we said, well, thank goodness, because it had started, difficult.
11:13We spoke this morning, he continues to highlight the joint work,
11:17to see what they do, but there is no way, I say,
11:20encapsulate this, if you want, kill yourself for the campaign,
11:23this encapsulates, and this has to go.
11:25But Antonio, how many times do we say?
11:27Security, take out security, take it out of the political discussion,
11:31call the ten most important people in security,
11:33take it out, sign a document.
11:35With this we do not fight.
11:37And work, well, you have to know.
11:39Well, nothing, we'll see you tomorrow.
11:41You left today of all those who would ask Antonio and all that,
11:43but tomorrow we'll be back.
11:45I already have videos.
11:47There are people who with videos say,
11:49remember, at Luis Novarezio, at Buendía Novarezio.
11:52I would say, I don't know what you would do,
11:55what would you ask him too.
11:57But that can be dangerous, it can involve the economy.
12:00I don't think it's anything spontaneous,
12:02look what I'm telling you.
12:04And more knowing Max Russo.
12:06Are you doubting our honesty?
12:08Yes, yes, yes.
12:10And more knowing Max Russo.
12:12I would also doubt.
12:14Thank you, Antonio.
12:16We continue, please.