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00:00We hope she doesn't have a phone, this woman, to whom, unintentionally, we made her famous here in A24 two days ago,
00:07when we showed you how in the 60th unit of Merlo, she did a tumbleweed tour.
00:12We share it because it is really shocking what this woman did and will do again.
00:17Let's see a little bit of the material of the Queen, who, we reiterate, just got her cell phone.
00:22Thank you all and I send you a kiss and we hope that my followers will continue to grow.
00:28Well, people, first of all, I want to thank everyone who supported me with the tour.
00:35The bad comments will always be there, but without the bad comments, I wouldn't have so many followers.
00:40So, haters, come here!
00:42Thank you all and I send you a kiss and we hope you continue to grow.
00:47They are looking for a truce, and I am a truce.
00:50To go to the after, to dance huaracha.
00:52Tremendous bulldog when he crouches.
00:55Look at what Sole says here, seeing how the news reporters went crazy with the tour of the dam,
01:01which is her tour, of Camilita, of the Queen, who, we reiterate, just got her cell phone.
01:07We are going to explain it again, because the truth is that it is common sense.
01:11We were not horrified because she has a cell phone because, unfortunately,
01:1473% of the prison population has it, we just told you.
01:19The horror was that this prison tour was precisely to show the interior of the prison
01:24and we started to tell you something very simple.
01:28When the journalists go with our cameramen to make a note to a prisoner,
01:32they do not let us record anywhere for the safety of the prison.
01:36How can it be that with a cell phone from the inside you can do a tour?
01:40Well, evidently late, watching TV, the people who have to decide realized that this could not be.
01:47Yes, it must be said to clarify it.
01:49We are going to talk to a specialist on the subject.
01:52They took the cell phone from the Queen.
01:54The other 43,000 prisoners, Bonaerenses, still have a cell phone.
02:00The Queen was taken out because of the scandal that arose because she showed the prison,
02:04she violated all security measures.
02:06And one thinks, she was making fun, in some way, of those who she offended in the criminal sense
02:12to end up in prison, obviously.
02:15Someone stole from her, someone attacked her.
02:17The authorities do not want to give information about the Queen's warrant.
02:21Because, of course, it is already a piece of paper that has the cell phone and is shown like this.
02:24Yesterday she had 40,000 followers.
02:27This woman today has run out of cell phone, she will surely have another.
02:31But we are in communication right now, I am talking to Hugo López Carribero,
02:35who is a criminal lawyer with extensive experience in the forum
02:39and, above all, with extensive experience in contact with detainees,
02:44with the living conditions in prison.
02:46Doctor, first of all, thank you very much for attending us.
02:50I wanted to ask you what reflection you deserve to see these criminals,
02:56who are in prison, with their cell phones, making broadcasts through Instagram,
03:01uploading videos to TikTok, doing these tours,
03:05so that people know the interior of the prison.
03:08Look, the following happens, Rolando and Soledad.
03:13Soledad.
03:14Nice to meet you.
03:20The first circumstance that is noticed there is the following.
03:23The penitentiary service invoices the tenancy of the cell phones.
03:28That is, this is not free.
03:29There is a business.
03:31There is a business behind it, right?
03:33And in the hypothetical case that the penitentiary service
03:38decided to eradicate the existence of cell phones,
03:44they know, the staff of the penitentiary service knows,
03:48that the prisons would explode in serious riots,
03:53that they are not in a condition to retain.
03:56So the control, let's say, the control is held by the prisoners.
03:59Yes, exactly.
04:01Well, said in another way, but in a very appropriate way,
04:04as you well point out, right?
04:07Because the truth is that, let's see, we think about it from the logic.
04:10I give you a cell phone because it is a pandemic and I prohibit visits,
04:14and the truth is that every detainee has their rights,
04:16such as being in contact with the family,
04:18then I give you a cell phone.
04:19The truth is that society did not like it, but it accepted it.
04:22We were in a pandemic context.
04:24The pandemic is over.
04:25Exceptional.
04:26The pandemic is over.
04:27More than enough reason to say,
04:28I take this resource out of you because you no longer need it.
04:32Your family can come in person.
04:34Let's see, why can't something logical be applied in this country?
04:38Well, you can't, no.
04:40The logic you point out is very attenuated,
04:43it is very pertinent, I mean, right?
04:45Yes.
04:46What happens is that the penitentiary service does not have the capacity
04:50to mitigate, to counteract the riots of the 56 prison units
04:56in the province of Buenos Aires,
04:58if they take out all the cell phones from the prisoners.
05:01Do you realize?
05:02This is something that can be seen.
05:03Doctor, are you afraid?
05:05The guards are afraid of the prisoners.
05:07Exactly.
05:09In the event that there is, the prisoners clearly say it,
05:12in the event that there is a massive removal of the cell phones,
05:17we are going to get up in riots,
05:19where they will be seen dead, they will be kidnapped,
05:23deprived of their freedom,
05:24there will also be burnt mattresses,
05:26escape attempts,
05:28and the penitentiary service does not want that.
05:31The penitentiary service rents the prisoners.
05:34Doctor, of course.
05:35What we are raising with Soledad,
05:37from the most basic logic, is the following.
05:40If we took this outside the prison,
05:43then we would have to think that we have to do what the criminals want,
05:46because the threat is going to be that they are going to kill and they are going to steal more
05:49than they have already been doing.
05:51Because these people who are in prison,
05:53committed crimes, many of them very serious,
05:55have cell phones,
05:57and they are warning,
05:58look, if they take our cell phones out,
06:00we are going to get even more spicy,
06:01we are going to kill more people,
06:02we are going to steal more people.
06:04So there is fear of the authorities.
06:06Because the logic that you very well point out,
06:09Rolando, along with Soledad,
06:11is your logic,
06:13it is my logic,
06:15and it is the logic of Soledad.
06:17But it is not the logic of prison society.
06:20Prison society lives in a different way and thinks in a different way.
06:24I refuse to cancel,
06:26and forgive me for having memory,
06:28at least in recent years.
06:30I saw how they talked about Bukele,
06:33they showed Bukele's videos.
06:35Bukele laughs if he sees that
06:37if they don't take the cell phones out of the detainees,
06:40a riot is going to start,
06:41and that's why we all say yes.
06:43From here we hear Bukele's laughter.
06:45But I want you to know one thing,
06:47look, the penitentiary cash,
06:50the amount of penitentiary cash from El Salvador,
06:55triples the amount of penitentiary cash
06:59from the province of Buenos Aires.
07:01Right?
07:02There is an investment.
07:03I'm going to tell you this,
07:05look, there are more prisoners in the province of Buenos Aires,
07:09more prisoners than cash from the penitentiary service.
07:13They know that in the face of a massive crowd
07:18in the 56 prison establishments of the province of Buenos Aires,
07:23they are not in a position to give an answer,
07:26they cannot mitigate it,
07:28they cannot suffocate it.
07:30What you are suggesting to us is
07:32that there would be a situation like that of the Sierra Chica riot,
07:36thinking of the Semana Santa riot,
07:38that of the Twelve Apostles,
07:40beginning of the 90s.
07:42But that was a single penalty.
07:44Of course, but there the authorities had to negotiate.
07:49The 43,000 detainees that you just pointed out on the screen
07:54are distributed in the 56 penitentiaries
07:56that the province of Buenos Aires has.
07:58Where does the money go?
08:00Where does the money of each prisoner go?
08:02I see that the prisons are a mire,
08:04a mire to the point that the marginal series
08:06is almost as if it were decorative
08:08compared to what the real prisons are.
08:11The food is often taken by the relatives, sorry.
08:14The cell phones, well, we already know what is happening.
08:17Where does that money go?
08:19If you tell me that they triple the prisoners to the prison staff.
08:23Yes, yes, clearly.
08:26Look, 90% of the budget
08:31through the Ministry of Justice
08:34for prison units goes to salaries.
08:38They are very low salaries, very low.
08:41The average salary for an integrant
08:44of the Buenos Aires Penitentiary Service
08:46who enters, who graduates from the school
08:48of the Penitentiary Service
08:50is 450,000 pesos.
08:52A shame.
08:54The budget is low,
08:56they are low budgets.
08:58To that you have to add, in addition,
09:00the state of corruption that is observed in there
09:03that prevents a normalization of prison society.
09:07Prison regulations are not respected.
09:10There is no resocialization.
09:12There is no affordable situation
09:15to return to society,
09:17so that the prisoners can be reinserted again.
09:19A disaster.
09:20Cecilia, you wanted to ask something.
09:22I wanted to ask you about this.
09:24How are you?
09:25Hi Cecilia, how are you?
09:27I want to ask you something.
09:29You talk to me about rioting,
09:31but the experience in Rosario
09:33shows the opposite.
09:35When the cell phones were taken from the prisoners,
09:37the violence in the streets was less.
09:40So why are we still seeing these cell phones in prisons?
09:43And I'll tell you something else.
09:45What the Buenos Aires Penitentiary Service argues
09:48is that the use is allowed
09:50due to this violation of Violini.
09:52But what they don't allow
09:54is these bad uses
09:56such as uploading content to social networks.
09:58Let's see.
10:00There is a difference there, Cecilia.
10:02Yes.
10:04There is a difference
10:06in what you are pointing out.
10:08Because Rosario has 2,300 prisoners.
10:12The city, right?
10:14With the periphery.
10:16What is San Lorenzo, Roldán and Rosario.
10:19The three most important cities around Rosario.
10:22But the province of Buenos Aires
10:24has 56,000 detainees.
10:2643,000 of which, as Rolando pointed out,
10:29are connected to cell phone services.
10:32What happens is that everything is wrong.
10:34The number is higher,
10:36the conflict is greater,
10:38and the number of prison units is also higher.
10:40The whole system is wrong.
10:42Because if I pay a prison guard
10:44450,000 pesos,
10:46it is impossible to live
10:48and support a family with that money.
10:50You are somehow enabling the business
10:52to sell you a cell phone chip
10:54for a few pennies.
10:56Because that guy has to somehow
10:58make a number.
11:00I'm not saying it's okay.
11:02Let's describe the reality.
11:04Of course.
11:06We understand the state of corruption,
11:08but we don't justify it.
11:10It's a situation picture.
11:12We understand and understand it.
11:14Look, as long as we,
11:16within the prison units,
11:18don't have riots,
11:20what happens outside...
11:22But if tomorrow the prisoner says
11:24he wants an Itaca,
11:26I'll let him have an Itaca
11:28because if not, there is a riot.
11:30Well, there is a problem
11:32because, as Rolando knows,
11:34firearms have been kidnapped many times.
11:36Sure.
11:38While we talk to you,
11:40we tell people what they are seeing on the screen.
11:42They are streaming
11:44and they are seeing how much
11:46each prisoner costs us per day.
11:48All of us here
11:50and those who are watching us.
11:52Paying taxes,
11:5483,000 pesos per day
11:56per prisoner.
11:58That's what our taxes cost us.
12:00Obviously, 83,000 pesos
12:02multiplied by each of the detainees
12:04per day.
12:06Money that could go to hospitals,
12:08to schools, to a lot of situations.
12:10Rolando, we are talking about prisoners.
12:12Sorry, right?
12:14Yes.
12:16Many times they are 18-year-old kids
12:18who come out with a gun
12:20because they think they are the hottest in the neighborhood.
12:22If we really can't take out their cell phones
12:24because there are riots,
12:26how do you control them?
12:28I go back to Bukele's example.
12:30They are gang members
12:32who have 50 dead on their backs.
12:34They are really hot,
12:36unfortunately, in criminal terms.
12:38That's why I say, Soledad,
12:40that in the case of El Salvador,
12:42with Bukele,
12:44a much more rigid,
12:46much more severe
12:48prison policy was established.
12:50It provided
12:52security forces
12:54with weapons, clothing,
12:56technology,
12:58salaries.
13:00Not here.
13:02El Salvador doesn't have 56,000
13:04prisoners like the province of Buenos Aires.
13:06Of course.
13:08There is a huge magnitude.
13:10Doctor, I want to ask you a specific question
13:12about the controls,
13:14while I transmit to you a feeling
13:16that we are all having,
13:18and only the people who look at us are having,
13:20which is that the prisoners have a roof
13:22for free.
13:24They have food provided by the prison service.
13:26If they don't like it, the family takes it.
13:28But they have food,
13:30and some are even doing a guide
13:32with OnlyFans,
13:34they make money
13:36with virtual scams,
13:38with extortionate kidnappings.
13:40They make more money than the honest people
13:42who are out of jail.
13:44My question, doctor,
13:46with this feeling,
13:48can't we somehow
13:50equate this situation
13:52of keeping the prisoners informed,
13:54telling them, well, have the phone,
13:56but that there is an effective control
13:58of what the phones are used for?
14:00There is no way.
14:02The prison service is a criminal intelligence unit.
14:04They deactivated it.
14:06Kicillof said, get out.
14:08And now what do they do?
14:10Can something be done?
14:12Yes, now, yes.
14:14That's why I say, I insist,
14:16it can be done, yes, it can be done.
14:18Renewing that intelligence unit
14:20or putting it into practice again
14:22requires, of course, money
14:24and dedication.
14:26Is the prison service interested in this?
14:28No,
14:30the prison service is not interested.
14:32The only thing that interests them is that there are no riots.
14:34Well, then I grab them,
14:36I take their cell phones,
14:38I take their cell phones,
14:40we said it a while ago, doctor,
14:42there are some cell phones that are very basic,
14:44that only serve to receive and make calls,
14:46which are the cheap ones, which are normally
14:48promoted for retirees, because they are not interested
14:50in social networks, then you say, well,
14:52I won't take your cell phone, but you can only have this one.
14:54But if not, sorry,
14:56it's the excuse not to do, doctor,
14:58Of course, Soledad,
15:00it's very good that you point out.
15:02I don't think I was saying,
15:04I'm sorry, but I think badly,
15:06who wins with this mess,
15:08with this disorder in prisons?
15:10Who wins?
15:12The prison service wins
15:14not having riots,
15:16not having complaints.
15:18And we, who pay the salaries,
15:20we pay 83,000 pesos per day per prisoner,
15:22to maintain what we earn, doctor,
15:24we want the prisoners
15:26to re-socialize and get better
15:28so that they don't commit crimes again.
15:30Let's see, if I don't feel like working,
15:32you know what I'm telling you?
15:34I'm going to steal a kiosk,
15:36because the truth is that paying for a rent
15:38in Argentina,
15:40paying for clothes to go to work,
15:42food,
15:44internet,
15:46very expensive to pay for internet,
15:48I mean, I'm going to jail.
15:50It's the world upside down,
15:52no country can work with this premise.
15:54That's why we support,
15:56Soledad, Rolando,
15:58and Cecilia too,
16:00of course, who is there,
16:02that prisons
16:04are managed
16:06by criminals.
16:08The prison service
16:10doesn't manage them,
16:12except for the cash register,
16:14except for the economic issue,
16:16the coexistence,
16:18the rules of conduct,
16:20the situations
16:22that have a direct relationship
16:24with the outside world.
16:26All these circumstances depend on the detainees,
16:28not on the prison service.
16:30Doctor, we are seeing the prisoners dancing
16:32while you are talking.
16:34We are sharing the screen.
16:36On the left, what people are seeing,
16:38I'll tell you the one that just turned on,
16:40are the prisoners dancing.
16:42One has a mouth tie,
16:44the other has a sensual tie,
16:46they do a little dance,
16:48they upload it to social media,
16:50so what we are seeing
16:52is exceeding everything seen,
16:54because, doctor,
16:56it is also a mockery for those who were victims of a crime.
16:58There it is, Rolando,
17:00put them to want to dance.
17:02Because one is going to come from the other side
17:04and they are going to tell you,
17:06what are you doing?
17:08The penalty is the deprivation of freedom,
17:10they are already deprived of freedom,
17:12put them to want to dance.
17:14But we have to put ourselves in the shoes
17:16of the victims, of the family,
17:18they see them laughing, dancing,
17:20passing the bomb,
17:22when they are crying,
17:24probably the death of their family member.
17:26Soledad, in the case of the Queen,
17:28they don't want to tell us what crime she committed.
17:30We are three days ago.
17:32The regime in which she is,
17:34is of extreme danger.
17:36We are talking about a robbery.
17:38How many days have we been trying to find that data?
17:40What did the Queen do to be in prison?
17:42They don't want to tell us.
17:44They don't want to tell us,
17:46but they are already in this prison.
17:48For inmates who have a risk,
17:50they are not common crimes,
17:52extreme danger.
17:56According to the criminal law of execution,
17:58the normal, the usual,
18:00is that each inmate
18:02who enters the penitentiary
18:04has to change their lifestyle.
18:06Because that's what it's there for.
18:08That's why he was sanctioned by the justice.
18:10That's why we pay.
18:12Penally responsible.
18:14They have to take a rhythm of life
18:16and different customs
18:18to those who were outside.
18:20Here, what is being done,
18:22clearly, is that the detainees
18:24preserve
18:26the way they live
18:28extra walls, but within
18:30the prison unit.
18:32They maintain their culture.
18:34You are a connoisseur, like few in the world of crime,
18:36because, obviously,
18:38you have had to represent dozens of people
18:40victims of crimes,
18:42but I want to transmit this data
18:44to everyone, because
18:46it really impacts me,
18:48I've been a police officer for years,
18:50Sole treats them from the newsroom.
18:52An inmate charges
18:54since March 1, 2025,
18:56an updated figure,
18:58any inmate
19:00charges
19:02296,832 pesos
19:04per month.
19:06That's what he charges.
19:08They pay him,
19:10they deposit him every month
19:12with our money, with Sole's,
19:14with Cecilia's, with his, doctor,
19:16and all those who are watching us.
19:18Very close.
19:20296,832 pesos
19:22as minimum, vital,
19:24and mobile salary.
19:26Very close to those who take care of him.
19:28Very close. Less than half.