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00:00Hi folks, I'm Todd Tanner, and I'm here around the fire today with Dylan Tomine and

00:21Jock Cunningham, and we're talking politics today, which is the thing of the season.

00:28We're a few weeks out from the election, and politics are important not only to all Americans,

00:38but also to sportsmen.

00:40And so we're going to sort of dive down in the weeds a little bit today.

00:44And I just wanted to ask Dylan to start out, why do we have such a divergence on both sides

00:54of the political aisle?

00:55We have some incredibly important issues for politicians to talk about, for folks on the

01:03GOP side and the Democratic side to talk about, but they can't seem to come together.

01:07So we're looking at climate change, we're looking at public lands, we're looking at

01:10all these truly important issues to sportsmen, but man, they can't seem to get together.

01:16Why is that?

01:17Well, we've gotten to a point where people are just trying to shout over each other.

01:24And certainly, as we all know from school, that if we raise our hands and speak in turn,

01:29we tend to actually communicate better.

01:32So I agree with you.

01:34I think there's some really important topics coming up that are critical to this election

01:39if you are a fisherman or a hunter or a hiker or a boater, particularly the ones you mentioned

01:47earlier.

01:49The big picture of climate change, that being off in the future is over.

01:55We're seeing tremendous storms coming through off the Atlantic and the Caribbean and the

02:00Southeast, swamping people.

02:02At the same time, the West Coast has been on fire.

02:05We've had smoke here for so many days, it's hard to imagine.

02:11This didn't happen 10 years ago out here.

02:15And you have pine bark beetle spread.

02:17So all these things that are going on, that's just the big picture, long-term picture of

02:21climate change.

02:22And I think more importantly, when you talk about public lands access, when you talk about

02:29clean water, the things that we as sportsmen need are on the ballot.

02:34And really, I think the difficult thing for voters now is that if you are traditionally

02:40a GOP voter, you find yourself at odds with a party that is denying climate change, withdrawing

02:47from climate accords, trying to sell off public lands and close down access, repealing

02:54Clean Water Acts.

02:57Those are things that I think are really dangerous to you as a voter if you like being outside.

03:03So, Jock, my hope has always been, as an adult, that politicians from both major parties would

03:16offer thoughtful, intelligent solutions to really difficult questions.

03:22They would compete for my vote, right?

03:25That's what I wanted my entire life.

03:27And you would think, well, maybe that isn't going to happen across the broad spectrum

03:32of the American political world.

03:37But God, it should be able to happen with stuff that's really important to those of

03:42us who care about hooding and angling and the outdoors and conservation.

03:46Why can't we seem to come across that?

03:49Why can't we find that?

03:50I think the money in politics is too big.

03:52I think the complete failure to control campaign finance and dark money, campaign finance abuses

03:59and dark money, has driven a lot of that.

04:03And I kind of fight, particularly in a state like Montana, the GOP-Democrat divide.

04:12It's not like every Democrat is a friend of the environment and conservation.

04:18But it has gotten to the point where Republicans who had such a distinguished history in conservation

04:26legislation, right?

04:27A lot of the bedrock laws were passed either in a bipartisan way or signed by a Republican

04:36president.

04:39I think some of it is coming down to kind of the coastal elites, quote, unquote, versus

04:46interior U.S., the people.

04:51And whoever is pushing this, or if it is spontaneous, and I don't really think it's spontaneous

05:04at the risk of veering into conspiracy theories, I think they're doing a great job selling

05:08the politics of fear and using all this loudmouth opinion journalism rather than fact-based

05:15journalism to sell that.

05:18And you look at it now, I mean, you're right, you're talking about fire and water supply

05:27and disease and really fundamental nonpartisan issues.

05:35But just to jump to public lands, we got a president who calls himself a populist president,

05:43and all his supporters say he's a populist.

05:46We have 30 million acres of public land in Montana.

05:50That makes you and I and every other public landowner as wealthy as one of the Wilkes

05:58Brothers.

05:59It's a flag of populism to be able to hunt on that, or fish or hike on that much public

06:07land.

06:08But right now, in the Republican National Committee platform and the Montana Republican

06:15Committee platform, it explicitly spells out that it is for the transfer of public lands.

06:23So that's insane, right?

06:24I mean, that's literally nuts.

06:26Why would either political party ever say, we want to get rid of our public lands when

06:33that's such a huge part of our heritage?

06:36Dylan, you don't have anything like that going on in Washington state, do you?

06:40No, I mean, we have some of the same issues.

06:43I think most of the states in the West have those issues.

06:46But I want to just go back to something Jack was saying that I think is really interesting

06:50is that I've thought about this a lot.

06:53And my thinking around it started with this idea when it came from talking to my kids.

06:59My daughter, who's 16, has said, the first thing she does when she goes to a new classroom

07:06is to look for where she would hide or where she would escape if a shooter came.

07:11I mean, that's a heartbreaking thing for a kid to tell you.

07:17And then she also talked a lot about what she's going to have to deal with as far as

07:24climate change when she is my age.

07:27And so I started thinking, well, the GOP is looking at this huge wave of young voters

07:33that are coming up that are really angry that we didn't protect them with more sensible

07:37gun regulation, that we didn't do what it took to stop climate change, and that those

07:43are all bills that they're having to pay for our lack of action.

07:47And so to me, I started thinking, well, the Republican Party is driving these things.

07:54And what appears to be a hugely unpopular position on lots of subjects among the next

08:00wave of voters that's coming up.

08:01And I thought, boy, they really don't have any long-term strategy to survive as a party.

08:07How are they going to do this?

08:08And then, like Jock said, I started looking at the money that comes into the GOP, that

08:13it mostly comes from these large corporate interests.

08:16And when you look at how those large corporate, especially the resource extraction corporations,

08:21how they operate, they don't have a long-term strategy.

08:25Their mandate is to make quarterly projections every three months so that the stock prices

08:29stay afloat, right?

08:31So I think what you have is a party that has very short-sighted vision for what America

08:38needs from its government, supported by a donor base that is very short-sighted by habit

08:45as far as, you know, I'm not even talking about if we destroy the land with our oil

08:50drilling.

08:51I'm just talking about three months from now making the projections that the analysts put

08:54up for them to keep the stock prices right.

08:59So it started to make more sense to me that you have this sort of system of short-sightedness

09:03built on top of more short-sightedness.

09:06And as somebody who is a fisherman and a hunter, that scares me to death because the things

09:13that we need, like clean water and access to public lands that are in good shape, those

09:19are things that require long-term vision.

09:22And I'm not saying that Democrats have it figured out and they have this long-term vision.

09:26I'm just saying that it's most clearly obviously against the interests of outdoors people when

09:31you look at the Republican platform, both at the national and, like Jock said, at the

09:35state level.

09:37I'd argue that that is a pretty recent phenomenon.

09:42Yes.

09:44I mean, Republicans, it wasn't that long ago where I didn't agree with everything, but

09:50they were sort of the party of fiscal responsibility and deficit control and so forth.

09:56They have rejected that wholesale.

09:58That has gone out the window.

10:01My father served in two wars as a combat Marine, rock-ribbed Republican.

10:08And he had a stroke and asked me to take over his finances, his accountant, and I were

10:15going through and finished his taxes.

10:19And he asked me where I was on Mitt Romney and the Romney election.

10:24And I said, well, you know, to shorten it up, I said, I think he's a decent guy.

10:29It's just not in me to support tax cuts for the rich.

10:33Wealth polarization in this country is growing worse and worse every year.

10:38The wealthy don't need another tax cut.

10:41And he said, you're just like your dad.

10:43What?

10:44Both of us, I think, could take issue with that because we argued about politics every

10:50day of our lives.

10:51And he said, yeah, your dad last year, he said, he said at the end of going through

10:58taxes, he said, Joe, what's my marginal tax rate?

11:02And I said, well, Jack, it's dividends and interest.

11:05You know, it's whatever it was, 15.1 percent.

11:08And he said, may I ask you what yours is?

11:10And he said, yeah, it's 30 percent.

11:12And dad said, I'm embarrassed by what my party has become.

11:17And that was just a generation ago that the Republicans were community minded.

11:25And there were a lot of stuff that would be called socialists now and this wholesale

11:30greed, I think.

11:33And Republicans don't have a monopoly on that.

11:38But it's gotten so much worse, that short sighted grab for money and resources because

11:45the money is so big, it's just gotten to Old Testament levels.

11:50It's unbelievable.

11:51So do you do you think, Jack, do you think that that is less a traditional Republican

11:59stance and more a Trumpism issue?

12:03Like, is this what happens when your leader of the party is a real estate developer from

12:07New York City?

12:09I think he's he's brought it to a new nadir, you know, I think it was starting before.

12:15And again, I would just my ex-father-in-law was a commercial fisherman in the Bering Sea

12:22in the Gulf of Alaska.

12:23And he said it was just a bunch of guys making a living.

12:26And then the price of seafood boomed.

12:29And that's when the abuses started.

12:31That's when the ugly behavior and hammering on the resource really began.

12:37And I think that's going on a national level.

12:40The money's just gotten too big, too uncontrolled.

12:44And I know there are people saying, you know, freedom and liberty.

12:48But there's a reason that we have antitrust laws going back here for a century.

12:55You know, the stuff about gun control is.

13:00It's just gotten crazier and crazier.

13:03I'm I probably have a dozen handguns here.

13:07I'm a gun guy, but I'm not allowed to have a rocket launcher.

13:11I don't need one.

13:15Do you want one?

13:16I can get you one if you.

13:18You probably could, but it just doesn't really affect my hunting very much.

13:24And I'm not expecting to have to fight off a unit of SEALs here on the Hill.

13:29I have a question for for Dylan.

13:33Let's step away from the from the parties for a second and look at the

13:37the companies, the brands and the nonprofits who inform and educate

13:44sportsmen on all the issues that are important to us.

13:47What should they be focused on right now?

13:49What should they be looking at and telling us about?

13:53I think right now, you know, I'm probably I mean, for full disclosure, I am a

13:59Patagonia ambassador and work for the company, so I think I'm you know, I'm

14:04probably tilted more that way.

14:05And as far as environmental activism, you know, Patagonia functions frequently

14:11as sort of a self-funded NGO.

14:13So so I have a view into both.

14:15We work I work quite closely with a number of these NGOs, like, you know,

14:19Wild Fish Conservancy and Native Fish Society, Wild Steelhead Coalition.

14:24And I honestly believe the best thing.

14:27That all of these groups and the manufacturers should be doing right now,

14:31this minute is is encouraging registration and going out to vote and and

14:38educating, I think part of what we're doing with a with a program like this is

14:42just talk about some of the different angles and there's going to be people

14:45who agree and disagree with us.

14:47But I don't think that I mean, not in my lifetime has there ever been an

14:52election that's this consequential, not even just about outdoor interests and

14:59resource extraction and public lands and climate change.

15:02But I think, you know, it's pretty going to be pretty consequential about our

15:06bedrock beliefs as a republic, as a democracy.

15:10I think there's a lot on the line here, not to mention a pandemic that we're

15:15trying to deal with, which is why we're on this Zoom call.

15:18So I feel like like if there was one message to come out of all of the groups

15:23that you mentioned, the NGOs, the manufacturers is is that you need to

15:27register and vote.

15:29And I just think that that's the most critical thing right now.

15:32We have if you live in Washington state, you have until October 26 to register.

15:38And I encourage you to register now so there isn't a rush and vote as early as

15:42you can.

15:44I think that that's the one thing going out of this whole show that we're, you

15:49know, fortunate enough to be a part of right now is that if there's one message

15:52is that please vote, vote like like your future and your life and your kids depend

15:58on it because because it does.

16:01Amen.

16:02Jock, you are involved with a conservation organization that is, you know, pretty

16:09involved in getting the word out.

16:10You want to tell us just a little bit about that?

16:12Let me underscore Dylan's point.

16:14I have heard very intelligent people in conservation say it really doesn't matter

16:19who's in office, that they don't remember what one guy who I think the world of a

16:24two nationals said to me once, you know, I don't remember my life being a lot

16:29simpler under a Gorin Clinton than it is under Bush and Cheney.

16:36And I looked at him and said, I got to disagree with you.

16:43And here's why your government, with your tax dollars, spends billions of dollars

16:50on things that affect ecosystems.

16:53And most of the best work I did it to your national was working with county

16:58departments of public work, state DOTs, FEMA, Forest Service, BLM, entities that

17:09control tens to hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars annually.

17:16And, um, the, the signature that they exert on hydrologic budgets, on

17:24settlement budgets, fish passage, elk refuge habitat, it's, it's profound.

17:32So to, to get to your point, Todd, your question, I'm board chair of

17:38Montana Conservation Voters, and I left the Montana BHA board, which I loved.

17:47And for folks who don't know what's BHA?

17:50Backcountry Hunters and Anglers.

17:53With a bunch of men and women, just like myself, spent a lot of time outside,

17:57you know, great to be with the fastest growing conservation organization

18:01in the country, I think still.

18:03It was a hoop.

18:05And, you know, skinny little tan people.

18:08And I went to this bunch of kind of pale, cranky, hard drinking political

18:13operatives when I joined the MCV board, because it's a dirty business.

18:22It's a depressing business.

18:24And it's certainly been going in the wrong direction.

18:27And I just decided I had to do it, even though I didn't understand the

18:31vocabulary, I didn't understand the logic.

18:35But the mission was so important.

18:39What happens in our state national capitals really makes a difference.

18:44And I'll give you a very small example.

18:49We, for the 2018 elections, we, you know, we have a bunch of priorities, but just

18:57on a very local example, we saw opportunities to really swing the Missoula

19:04Board of County Commissioners and the Billings City Council, not to

19:10conservation friendly entities, but to being populated by conservation champions.

19:20And to watch what they're doing now, they're applying for grants and doing

19:25all this long range planning on fire risk and headwater catchment, hydrology.

19:33And, you know, they've taken the ball and running.

19:38And you brought up a fundamental point.

19:40I think the early on, the proper role of government is one military that's in the

19:49constitution, but also on a conceptual level, it's mediating between individual

19:54and group interests and short-term and long-term interests.

19:58That's what it should be doing.

20:00That's what good government does.

20:02And boy, it's just swung way too far to one end of those two continuum.

20:10Those two pendulums, it's the individual and it's short-term and that's at our peril.

20:16Well, we hear an awful lot about freedom and about our rights, but we

20:24rarely hear the flip side of that, the other side of the coin, which is

20:27responsibility, and I mean, that has to be balanced, right?

20:30We've got to balance those two things.

20:32On one hand, we need our freedoms protected.

20:36On the other hand, we need to step up and act as if we're aware of the fact

20:42that we have responsibilities, not only to ourselves, but to

20:45our kids and our grandkids.

20:47So, so Dylan, you were talking about voting before, and that

20:50sort of caught my attention.

20:52And I wanted to ask you how the results, how the impacts of our voting become

21:00personal for us and for our families and for the places where we, where

21:03we live and where we recreate, what do you see, what's personal or what

21:07will the results be that are personal?

21:10Well, I think that's a great question because in some ways, you know,

21:17everything the government does has some impact on all of our lives, right?

21:22And so I think, you know, if we're talking for hunters and fishermen and

21:28rafters and skiers and that, that kind of thing, I think right away, access

21:34to public lands and non-transfer of public lands to, to resource extraction

21:40corporation is, is, you know, I forgot how many, I think Jack said there was

21:45how many acres in Montana of public land?

21:4930 million.

21:50Yeah.

21:50I mean, staggering amounts of, of land that I think for years we've taken for

21:56granted that we can drive to a place and walk into the hills and shoot an elk or

22:02hunt grouse or, and the, by the same token, I kind of lumped these together,

22:07but, you know, the current administration has rolled back the, the clean water

22:12rules that were put in place under the previous administration.

22:16And I think a lot of us in the West, especially the mountain West or the

22:20coastal West took for granted that, that you would have watersheds that could

22:25support salmon or steelhead or trout.

22:28And that, that it was, you know, it was my personal right that I could go out

22:32there and fish and catch some salmon or steelhead just the same way as, you know,

22:36Jack can walk out his door and go a very short distance and have

22:40access to public lands to hunt.

22:42I think those are, are really stark impacts to, to the typical outdoorsman

22:48that in this particular election, if, if you vote for the party that is trying

22:55to close down access, allow more pollution of water, transfer, you know,

23:01these public lands, I think when you want to go and all of a sudden it's not there

23:06and it, or the water is polluted or warm, or there's a gate across the access to

23:11where you were going to go elk hunting.

23:13I think those, those are touching you pretty personally.

23:16Like that, that's, that's an impact that that's not theoretical.

23:21Dylan, you want to hear a cool fact?

23:23Yeah.

23:24The, the role of forest service lands in preserving headwater catchments and, and

23:34providing a sustainable water supply to the American West that was in the original

23:38authorizing language of the forest service.

23:41And it was recognized back then.

23:45And, you know, Gifford Pinchot's time and Fish and Buddy are my grandfathers.

23:51Actually.

23:52It's obnoxious to say, but in Pennsylvania.

23:54Gifford Pinchot, really?

23:55Yeah.

23:56Wow.

23:57And Fish and Buddy brings it all together.

24:01Then, you know, there, there's some great books on the history of the forest

24:06service, but essentially that role of forest service lands was not discussed

24:13for a long time until Mike Donbeck was service head for Clinton.

24:20And he was the first person to point it out and to point out that, you know,

24:23major clear cuts, that dense, dense road building that converts shallow

24:30groundwater, intercepts shallow groundwater, turns it into runoff water.

24:35Changes in fine sediment loading and headwaters that, that, that is wise in

24:41the face of their multiple use mandate and, and authorizing goals.

24:49Yeah.

24:49I, you know, the other thing I want to just add, this is a little bit

24:53tangential to what we're talking about, but I think I really wanted us to talk

24:57a little bit about, that we need to be really careful with our votes as well,

25:04because there has been a late in the game concerted effort to greenwash, right?

25:10I guess I should say camel wash a number of Republican candidates to make them look

25:16like they're friendly to the outdoors people.

25:18And I'm talking specifically about Senators Daines and Gardner's kudos they

25:25got around the Great American Outdoor Act.

25:28If you look at Daines and Gardner's, Jock, you mentioned this before.

25:32If you look at Daines and Gardner, their long-term voting record is

25:38horrible if you're a hunter or a fisherman.

25:40As bad as it gets.

25:41And in fact, Daines fought the LWCF full funding.

25:47He voted against full funding or just stalled for years.

25:52Yeah.

25:53And I think, so that's one example.

25:56But it was really throwing a lifeline to get a little bit more of the outdoors

26:03people's votes for guys that are in tough contests right now.

26:08And that was sort of thrown to them.

26:11The other example is this late in the game, quote unquote, protection of Pebble

26:17Mine or Bristol Bay by the Army Corps rejection of the Pebble Mine permit,

26:24which really is temporary and only a reversal of another Trump administration

26:29approval of moving ahead with that.

26:31And it really concerns me when a lot of our very visible conservation NGOs took

26:39the bait and are in fact, you know, they're leader of one of the really big

26:44cold water fisheries organizations sent out a video saying that we owe a debt of

26:51gratitude to president Trump for saving Bristol Bay with the Pebble Mine assessment.

26:58I think even later in the game, when you look at the tapes that came out around

27:03Pebble Mine, that you can see just how dirty that business is that you were

27:07talking about earlier, Jack.

27:09But that's, so that's one thing I don't want to go too far down that hole, but I

27:13think it's really important that we step back.

27:15And when you're assessing who you're voting for, if, if the outdoors access or

27:22ability to, to be able to fish and hunt is your primary concern, or one of your

27:27important concerns is that you look into the long-term record of the people that,

27:32that are, might be suddenly getting a bunch of kudos around conservation.

27:38So, so Jack, give me a minute or a minute and a half on what American voters need

27:46to know before this upcoming election.

27:50They, they need to do their due diligence.

27:52They, they need to get into the meat of the stories that, that, that Dylan was

27:59referring to.

28:01They, they need to vote for these longer term processes.

28:08They're, they need to realize how much there is to lose.

28:12Yes.

28:12In our outdoor heritage and our, our water supplies and, and water quality.

28:18Biologic integrity.

28:21It's in, in the original purpose of the Clean Water Act, it is, oh boy, I'm going

28:28to forget it now, but it addresses biologic integrity and how that came down

28:33to, to being defined just by water quality chemical parameters is beyond me.

28:42I've queued up environmental lawyers saying, sue all the federal agencies for

28:47failure to, to conform to that mandate.

28:51I, I think they need to think about who their friends and their enemies were.

28:59And I think they need to realize how powerful they would be if they voted

29:06in a more coordinated way.

29:09And you asked about Montana conservation voters and the hard lesson I've learned

29:15is the two tough jobs is increasing our dialogue across the aisle with, and I mean

29:27across the conservation, conservation of Versailles, not, not in a partisan sense.

29:34The other hard lesson is in that field, you are respected to the degree that you're

29:40feared to the degree that you have power.

29:42And MCV can flex that power, so can outdoors people, they really can, if they

29:52kind of get their priorities in order.

29:55Then Montana, 75% of Montana voters, of Montanans, all Montanans say they're

29:59conservation oriented, but they sure don't vote that way.

30:03So Dylan, if you had the opportunity to sit down with voters from Wisconsin and

30:10Pennsylvania and Florida, North Carolina today, and you knew that they were going

30:16to leave from your conversation and go cast their ballots, what would you tell them?

30:21That's a great question.

30:22I think it depends who the voters are that I'm talking to, what the demographic is.

30:26But for the sake of this program, let's say that there are people who like to fish and hunt.

30:31And, and I think my message would be really clear that you know, as Jock mentioned

30:37earlier, the preservation of fishing and hunting opportunity is a long-term proposition.

30:43And that most of the people that you have an opportunity to vote for, the candidates

30:48have a long-term record behind them of how they voted in the past, like the things

30:54they've stood for.

30:55And so I would really ask that if your priorities are to hunt and fish and have those

31:04things affordable and available, I'm not a rich man, so I'm really dependent on public

31:09access. And I think there's a lot of other people like that.

31:12You know, it's different if you're, if you're one of the Trump kids and you're going to

31:16expensive lodges and doing all that, maybe then you don't need to vote for public lands

31:21so much. But if you're like the rest of us, like me, public lands are everything for our

31:26recreation. And so I think I would, I would say, please think about the access and the

31:32viability of these public opportunities and clean water for yourself and your kids and

31:38their kids, because it's finite.

31:40Like, like if we mine and drill and cut and burn, you, we're not going to get it back.

31:45Like that's going to be gone.

31:47And so I think that it is really critical that you think long term for the future.

31:52And, and just really like, I think the one message is if you look at all the factors,

31:59when you cast your ballot, please just don't shoot yourself in the foot.

32:04If you vote for things that are really in your own best interest, the majority that wins

32:10that will be the benefits will be for all of us.

32:14No, I could not agree more.

32:18You know, I we're going to wrap up in the last thing I'll say about this is that.

32:26All these things are personal for us.

32:29If we're talking climate change, the impacts are personal.

32:32If we're talking public lands, it's personal, especially here in the West.

32:36For those of us who, who, who get out on the landscape.

32:39I mean, I love to hunt.

32:40I love to fish.

32:42Those are things I'm passionate about.

32:44I know both of you guys are as well.

32:47And, and I'm really hoping that as, as we go forward, we're going to see sportsmen and

32:52women voting for the things that they care about and voting to give their kids and their

32:57grandkids an opportunity going forward.

32:59So I am so thankful to, to jock into Dylan, both of you guys for taking the time to join

33:06us today around the fire.

33:07And thank you for, for an incredible conversation guys.

33:11Take care.

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