In this episode of Newstrack, the big focus is on the India Today Special Investigation, Operation Dunki, which exposed the murky world of human smugglers and dubious travel agents who facilitate illegal immigration in Punjab.
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00:00Good evening and welcome. You're watching the NewsTrack. I'm Rahul Kamal.
00:05Despite the massive clampdown against illegal immigration in the United States,
00:11migration centers in Punjab are continuing to flourish, continuing to try and con gullible young youth,
00:20young youngsters in the state of Punjab into trying to spend a fortune in finding a way to head to the United States.
00:29Operation Dunkey is my top focus in India Today's special investigation coming up on the NewsTrack tonight.
00:38Hundreds of deputies return. Prime Minister calls for a crackdown on trafficking ecosystem.
00:45India Today probes immigration hubs. Illegal immigration rackets revealed. Web of dubious agents unmasked.
00:55Operation Dunkey. India Today special investigation.
01:03Before we dive into Operation Dunkey, let me take you through the headlines I'm tracking tonight.
01:08US President Donald Trump reiterates his US aid meddling in Indian polls charge.
01:15Ministry of External Affairs says allegations are deeply troubling. BJP and Congress lock horns over the controversy.
01:24External Affairs Minister Jai Shankar meets his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on the sidelines of the G20 foreign ministers meeting in South Africa.
01:33Both sides discuss resumption of the Kailash-Mansarovar yatra and direct flights between the two countries.
01:42D.K. Shiv Kumar faces flak for saying Bengaluru won't change even if God descends on Earth.
01:48BJP hits out, says the Congress is a curse for the state of Karnataka.
01:54Center vs Tamil Nadu. War over the new education policy escalates.
01:59HRD Minister asks MK Stalin to rise above politics, declares that the policy does not impose any language on states.
02:09US Senate confirms Indian origin Kash Patel as the new FBI Chief. Patel thanks Trump for support, says his mission is to rebuild the trust of Americans in the FBI.
02:19White House official congratulates him in Bollywood style.
02:23As plane loads of Indians deported by the United States arrive at the Amritsar airport in Punjab, the focus is back on dubious travel agents and human smugglers who are sending hordes of Indian citizens to foreign lands.
02:45India Today's special investigation team has exposed how this multi-million dollar racket operates out of major immigration hubs in the state of Punjab,
02:54where seamless services are offered from study visas to work permits to permanent residency applications, all of this being done completely illegally and for a hefty fee.
03:06Watch this special investigation by India Today's Nitin Jain.
03:15Chasing their dreams for a better, brighter future in a foreign land.
03:23Thousands of desperate Indian citizens risk dangerous, treacherous journeys.
03:31The aim is to settle down in the US, Canada, Australia or the UK.
03:41These illegal immigration routes entail physical risks and financial loss.
03:52In real life too, illegal immigration rackets are selling the same dream.
04:00At Krishna Enterprises in Jalandhar city, we met Sahil Verma and his business partner.
04:08We introduced ourselves as visitors from Gujarat, seeking assistance in sending our grown-up children abroad.
04:18After our interaction with Sahil, we later found that Krishna Enterprises is not even registered with the government to deal with visa and immigration matters.
04:33Sahil explained the different options available to us.
04:39It's very easy to move from Serbia to Italy.
04:44If a two-year-old child wants to go to Italy, I can send him to Italy.
04:50If he wants to go to Italy, I can send him to Italy in two days.
04:53He'll go by taxi. He'll be a donkey.
04:58He clarified that he could arrange for them to enter Europe, but not on a Schengen visa.
05:08Instead, he proposed the Serbia to Italy route using the donkey method via a taxi.
05:16We were worried about safety, but Sahil clarified that there were different types of donkey routes and the cost depends on the mode of journey one chooses.
05:29Is this a jungle route?
05:32No, it's not a jungle route.
05:33What do you call a donkey?
05:34Donkeys are of different types.
05:36The more money you spend, the more donkeys you get.
05:41Sahil even mentioned that though America was deporting illegal immigrants, he could still send people into the US through the donkey routes.
05:52If you tell me that you'll send people from the US or India, I'll send them by air.
05:59If you send them by air, they'll pay you in two steps.
06:04They won't charge you anything in advance.
06:06All our payments are done in two steps.
06:09Donkey routes cost Rs. 2.5 million.
06:13Donkey routes cost Rs. 2.5 million in India.
06:22To prove his credibility, Sahil showed us a recent video of people being smuggled using the donkey route.
06:31He claimed that two of his clients had successfully crossed over using this method.
06:40This is the guy sitting in the back.
06:42This is the guy from Makaria.
06:47Sahil even admitted that his business partner had sent his own child via the donkey route to the US.
06:56His son is from the US.
06:58Your son is from the US?
06:59Yes, he's from the US.
07:00He's a donkey?
07:01Yes, he's a donkey.
07:02His brother is also a donkey.
07:05Immigration consultants in Jalandhar also openly offer political asylum to those willing to pay.
07:17Our investigation led us to one such consultancy.
07:23The visa engineers.
07:27We met consultant Raman at the visa engineer's office in Jalandhar.
07:35Will you be able to get an asylum?
07:37Yes, I will.
07:38How will it be? What's the process?
07:40We have to go to the tourist visa office and change the status of the visa.
07:46We don't have the validity of the tourist visa.
07:49We apply for an asylum in the process.
07:53Our lawyer is there.
07:56Yes, I was asking about that.
07:58He will get it done.
08:01Raman further advised that we would need to participate in political rallies
08:06and get photographs clicked as proof,
08:10which would help strengthen our case for asylum.
08:18What will you have to show us?
08:21For asylum?
08:22Yes.
08:24For asylum?
08:25Yes.
08:26We will tell you when we have to leave.
08:28We will take some photographs.
08:30When there is a rally or something,
08:33I will make a connection with the party and make a video.
08:37They will make a video of it.
08:42Raman assured us that their lawyer would apply for political asylum based on the documents provided.
08:50The initial embassy fee would be 1.85 lakhs
08:55and the full payment would be taken only after the visa was granted.
09:00If any document is missing, they would arrange it for an additional fee.
09:10If the charges are maximum, we will have to pay 80 rupees before the visa.
09:15We will have to pay 80 rupees before the visa.
09:18We will have to pay 80 rupees before the visa.
09:45A system to facilitate immigration to Canada under false pretext.
09:53A report by Special Investigation Team's Nitin Jain in Jalandhar for India Today.
10:02What you have seen so far is part one of this India Today Special Investigation Operation Dunkey.
10:08I have two more ground reports from Punjab.
10:11I will play them out in just a moment.
10:12Allow me to introduce for a first set of reactions to this big investigation.
10:16Our guest joining us on this broadcast representing the ruling Aam Aadmi Party government in Punjab
10:21is Sunny Singh Aluwalia.
10:23He is the chairperson of the Water Supply and Suraj Board
10:26and one of the chief spokespersons of the AAP government in Punjab.
10:29So welcome.
10:30I have Pratap Singh Bajwa, leader of the opposition in the Punjab Legislative Assembly.
10:34He is an MLA from Khadiyan.
10:36He is one of the senior most leaders of the Congress Party in the state of Punjab.
10:39With me in the studio is Pradeep Bhandari, the spokesperson of the BJP.
10:43I have Shashi Kanji joining us.
10:44He is a well-known former Director General of Police in Punjab.
10:47And I'll have some immigration experts joining us in a moment from now.
10:50I want to go across to Dr. Aluwalia because it is the AAP government that has the most to answer.
10:54Despite the clampdown by Donald Trump's government in the United States,
10:59despite suffering the ignominy of hundreds of Indians being sent back via these immigration deportation flights,
11:07why is it that your government is not able to shut down these illegal immigration centres?
11:12Everybody knows which centres these are, where they operate from.
11:17It's happening under the nose of your government.
11:19There is no left-leaning governor to stop you from doing your job.
11:22Why aren't you doing it, sir?
11:24Definitely it is the duty of the ruling party to check the illegal migration or whatever happens in the state of Punjab.
11:34But there are some rules for it.
11:36We cannot shut down that on the very first day.
11:39The investigation and special teams have already been done.
11:43And we are already working on it.
11:46And special teams have been made.
11:48And what you have shown, I have just seen your five different rules of the different agencies what you have shown.
11:56Definitely the Punjab government is working on it.
11:59And we have made special laws so that they don't go to some high courts and get sustained from this.
12:05But we need a proper method to stop them.
12:08We cannot stop them in the next five days, ten days.
12:11There is a procedure that we are following.
12:13And we are already doing it.
12:14But at the same time, I will request you that the illegal migration didn't start two years back.
12:20It is an old story.
12:22The letters of asylum were given from some member parliaments as well.
12:27What was the reason that people left Punjab and went out maybe in the US or in Canada?
12:33There are many reasons for it.
12:34You cannot blame that only Aam Aami Party has sent.
12:37These are the old people.
12:38Yes, we have to check.
12:40And there are some more reports coming in from other countries from where they are going.
12:45There are some other ways.
12:47And there are some other agencies which are sending them through some immigration companies.
12:51I want to get reactions.
12:52Pradeep Bhandari, I will start with you.
12:54AAP's first reaction.
12:55This is an old racket.
12:56You have been in power with the Akalis in Punjab.
12:59The Congress has been in power.
13:00They are saying don't blame us.
13:01They are saying we are taking action.
13:02We can't suddenly just shut all these agencies down.
13:05We have to see whether they are doing something illegal or not.
13:07Well, I question the intent of the AAP government to take action
13:10because February 18, 2025, even the Punjab and Haryana High Court
13:14has asked the AAP government and it has given it a 30-day notice
13:18because it has not been able to act against fake travel agents.
13:21It has not been able to establish immigration checkposts.
13:24And it has been asked to act.
13:26And this is not a recent phenomenon.
13:27A year back, in September 2024, the United States of America's
13:31assembly in Delhi had written to the AAP government in Punjab
13:35that it is not acting against the illegal immigration racket
13:38which is running primarily from Punjab.
13:40So the issue here, Rahul, is which is what your report is also suggesting
13:44that if reporters and investigative journalists can find them,
13:47why is the AAP government not being able to do so?
13:50And we have not seen a decline in the recent past.
13:53So if there is no decline, if the Punjab and Haryana High Court
13:55is questioning, your report is also establishing,
13:58I question the intent of the state to not act and politicize it.
14:01Pratap Bajwa, the Aam Aadmi Party says it's an old racket.
14:04Many of these happened through MLAs and MPs writing letters for asylum.
14:09Some arguably from your party as well.
14:11They're saying we're doing what we can.
14:13We can't just shut down these immigration centers.
14:15We have to establish if they're doing something illegal.
14:17Do you buy that argument from the AAP government, Mr. Bajwa?
14:21Not at all. Not at all, Rahul.
14:23Not even a single member of parliament of the Congress
14:26has ever been involved in this kind of activity.
14:31But the only thing is that, see, Rahul, I want to make it clear.
14:35This is nothing new. This is old. That is right.
14:38But the numbers have gone up.
14:40Number two, I want to say one thing.
14:42The whole of the police force, you talk about the drug menace,
14:46you talk about interstate gun racket running or immigration.
14:52In all these illegal acts, it is the Punjab police
14:56which basically all these immigrants, all these immigration centers
15:00run with the active support of the Punjab police officers.
15:05So the direct responsibility of what is happening of late
15:09is with the chief minister because you have your own human trafficking laws
15:15of the state. You have laws at the center also.
15:18But somehow the government has turned a blind eye towards it.
15:22For the last three years, Sir Bhagwan Singh Mahan is the chief minister
15:27and also the home minister.
15:29They should have acted. They exactly knew.
15:32Every single village, hundreds of boys have left.
15:35They have sold their lands. They have sold their houses.
15:38They have taken money from all their relatives.
15:42I think so. Let them act now, Rahul.
15:45What we say is forget about what has happened earlier.
15:48Now is the time. Register cases. At least get this money out from these people.
15:53I agree. But action must be taken now.
15:56But I want to go across to Shashikant who is a former DGP of Punjab.
16:01Shashikant ji, to me from the outside it seems like the Punjab police being complicit.
16:08Who the agents are in cities like Jalandhar, in cities like Amritsar, Patiala, Bathinda.
16:14It's known who the agents are. It's not a secret.
16:16In that community, in that town, people know who is doing this racket.
16:20And yet the Punjab police chooses to look the other way.
16:23Yeah, I'll agree with you. It's an open secret.
16:27It's written on the walls who are the guys who are doing this business of sending people illegally
16:33to different countries, to Europe, to United States.
16:36And let me tell you, this is still continuing.
16:39The other day I had gone out for a coffee to a famous baker here.
16:42Two of his guys, they were talking, they were saying, okay,
16:45we have a problem with the donkey route, but we are going on the donkey route.
16:49We have given money. That means this is still going on.
16:52No, but why are these people, I don't understand this.
16:54If there's such a high chance of getting caught and being sent back,
16:57why are these crazy people still wanting to go?
16:59You use the word, you use the right word, crazy. They are crazy.
17:03I don't know why we Punjabis out here, we have got this thing
17:06that we want to go abroad at one cost or the other.
17:09And talking of police, yes, police is complacent.
17:12I remember in about, it was 2011 or 12, we had made a detailed law in Punjab
17:19that has not been followed. It's still going on.
17:22Yes, police is complacent. These guys are taking money.
17:25And but again, why these guys are not being posted out
17:29and no action is taken against these such persons?
17:32It doesn't mean that they have some other senior persons,
17:35whether a politician or whether a police guy or I'm talking about the higher echelons.
17:40They still remain there.
17:42That's the point. The fact that the situation for the youth in the state of Punjab
17:48on your watch is so abysmal that despite the chance of being caught
17:53and being sent back in ignominy, they're still willing to risk 50, 75 lakh rupees
17:59or one crore in trying to make an illegal bid to get to the United States or elsewhere.
18:04Rahulji, it is not only in Punjab. Punjab being a border state,
18:09you can just check the history of Punjab.
18:12In 1984, what happened in Punjab? Then came the terrorism.
18:16Then came the drugs. It is a border state.
18:19The people have to understand the borders are porous.
18:22And from the borders, the drones are coming in.
18:25The animation is coming. The drugs are coming.
18:27Who is responsible? Only Punjab? Only our group?
18:31Because you know the danger of Pakistan. Pakistan cannot defeat India.
18:35But they try to innovate India. They try to enter India through different routes.
18:41We have to understand the employment problem has been less during the Amami Party government.
18:45Bhagwan Singh Mahan on the very first day said we will bring back our Indians to our country to work in India.
18:50Not like this. So it is our responsibility. It is not only Punjab's responsibility.
18:54It is the responsibility of India as well.
18:56But let Pradeep Bhandari respond. The BSF is on the border. The Home Ministry is responsible.
19:00The Army is responsible. And despite that, if drugs are coming in, drones are coming in,
19:05you are as much a part of the problem.
19:07Well, we are acting against drugs and drones. The larger issue at this moment is there is a racket which is running in Punjab.
19:14The state government of Punjab, which is the Amami Party government, has to act.
19:18A few weeks back, the Ministry of External Affairs had released a report
19:23according to which out of 212 registered travel agents in Punjab, 80 have already expired their licence
19:30and they are continuing to operate.
19:32Your report also establishing the fact that there are known individuals in societies,
19:36so they could only operate with local political nexus.
19:39Amami Party has more than 80 MLAs, which means that many of the Amami Party MLAs
19:43would have been involved in this racket with these illegal travel agents.
19:47This is why this is mushrooming. And this is just not what I am saying, Rahul.
19:51Just on February 18, the Punjab and Haryana High Court has reiterated these claims.
19:55So can Mr. B's representative from the Amami Party government tell us
19:59that what has he done in the recent years in order to curb it?
20:02There is no intent from the state to act. That is the primary issue here.
20:06Okay, I'll put that question. I also want to show viewers part 2 of this investigation
20:10because it's a complex web of unscrupulous immigration agencies and agents.
20:14They promise to send you abroad, but at a massive cost, exploiting loopholes.
20:19There are several who are desperate to find some way of going abroad
20:23and they are gullible and willing to fall prey.
20:25Here is part 2 of India Today's special investigation, Operation Donkey.
20:50We visited Friends Immigration Services in Jalandhar to dig deeper into this scheme.
20:58We posed as clients for a 32-year-old man with only a 10th class pass certificate
21:07and who had been unsuccessful in obtaining a UK visa.
21:12Karan, a consultant at Friends Immigration Services, agreed to help us.
21:43The work permit will be assigned to the boy.
21:46The girl's study will also be assigned.
21:49Karan explained that their agency would find a well-educated girl
21:54ensuring an easy visa approval.
21:57The marriage contract would be signed
22:00and all expenses would have to be borne by the client.
22:06Will you find the girl?
22:08Yes, it will take time, but the girl will be found.
22:12She will have good grades and all.
22:15The boy will have to bear all the expenses.
22:22The first step is to find the girl.
22:25Once the girl is found, we will call you,
22:27you will be seated in front of the gate and we will talk to you.
22:30Everything will be done.
22:31After that, we will send the girl.
22:33Then your marriage contract will be signed,
22:35and you will have to prepare the album,
22:38because you will have to show it to the government.
22:41Once the visa is signed, you can go back to India.
22:45The fake marriages are arranged in Indraprastha
22:48near Football Chowk in Jalandhar.
22:52After securing the visa,
22:54both the man and the woman can live separately in the UK.
23:14The work permit is issued for the study of the girl,
23:17for 3 years, 3 or 2 years.
23:20When the boy reaches there, he will work for 2 years,
23:23and the girl will study.
23:25The boy will have to pay all the fees for the girl's studies.
23:30When the girl's studies are completed,
23:32she will also get a work permit.
23:34After that, the boy wants to go,
23:36but the girl can go on her own.
23:38Ved Zenith Institute claims to be licensed
23:41by the Punjab government to send people abroad.
23:45But our investigation uncovered a different reality.
23:51We visited the institute in Jalandhar
23:54and met Head Counselor Sunaina.
23:58We posed as clients looking to send a man abroad permanently,
24:03as he had an attempt to murder case against him in India.
24:11Ma'am, I am telling you again,
24:13this is a case of 307.
24:15You don't have to show it.
24:17We don't want to take any report.
24:19If you go to the tourist, you don't have to show it.
24:21You don't have to show it.
24:24Sunaina assured us that no police clearance certificate
24:28was required for a visitor visa.
24:35You don't have to show it.
24:39No, we don't have to show it.
24:41We don't want a police certificate for visit employment.
24:46Sunaina suggested sending him on a visitor visa,
24:50where he would later transition into a work visa,
24:53without background checks.
24:59Which country are you sending him to?
25:01You told me, I am sending him to Penang.
25:03Yes, Penang.
25:05He will go on a visit in a group, right?
25:08Yes, he will come to pick up the company staff.
25:11He will come to pick up the company staff,
25:13and then he will work there.
25:15You will get him into food processing.
25:17Then he will go abroad and settle.
25:19This is all we can do for you.
25:22The cost of bypassing legal checks?
25:26Just 1.5 lakh rupees.
25:29The investigation exposes how immigration agents
25:33exploit legal loopholes to send criminals abroad,
25:38highlighting an urgent need for stricter regulations.
25:44A report by Special Investigation Team's Nitin Jain,
25:47in Jalandhar, for India Today.
25:54What is noteworthy is that there is a lot of focus
25:58on illegal immigration at this moment,
26:00because of these return flights.
26:02Despite that, days after these flights came back,
26:05our reporters were able to capture all of this
26:07in gory detail.
26:09It clearly shows how brazenly this racket is operating.
26:13I want to put that question to Mr. Pratap Bajwa.
26:16The fact that there has been this big headline
26:20about illegal immigrants being sent back
26:22doesn't seem to have dissuaded anyone at all.
26:25The racket is flourishing.
26:27The migration centres are open.
26:29They are giving ideas.
26:30There is no fear at all about getting caught.
26:33See, Rahul, exactly that's what I said.
26:36It is because of these police officers
26:38and they have been here for a very long time.
26:40And another thing, Rahul, you are talking about the donkey route
26:43where Punjabis pay around 50 lakh rupees
26:47but Haryanvis pay 60.
26:49You would be surprised about the audacity
26:51of these immigration centres.
26:54They have also sent a couple of hundred boys
26:57straight to the Russian army
26:59fighting on the Ukraine front.
27:01In donkey route, even then there are chances
27:05to get saved.
27:06Maximum is you are there in the jail
27:08and you are sent back.
27:10You are sent to the borders
27:12fighting for the Russians on the Ukraine border.
27:15This is what the immigrants are doing.
27:17And there is no fear of the government.
27:20Because these police, you would be surprised, Rahul,
27:23most of these civil agents
27:25have an army of police officials as their gunmen.
27:29Security guards, 8 or 10 of these guys
27:32because either SP or DID or SSP or ID
27:37is in close network with these guys
27:40and they are given policemen to guard these guys.
27:45They are travelling in bigger land cruises.
27:50They are just like the Mexican mafia
27:53or the Colombian mafia.
27:54They are operating like that in Punjab.
27:56Tejinder Bal Singh Nalwa is an immigration expert.
27:59Mr. Nalwa, what is going on?
28:03I would imagine that given the focus
28:06on illegal immigration,
28:07at least for the time being,
28:09that these migration centres would want to stay low,
28:12try and pipe down.
28:13Instead, they are openly talking about
28:16all the illegal services they offer
28:18in city after city, in centre after centre.
28:21It's almost as if there is no fear.
28:23Why is that?
28:25I agree, Rahul.
28:28First of all, you need to understand
28:30why they operate like this.
28:33Because unlike Australia and Canada,
28:35where the immigration, or even US,
28:38is regulated.
28:40In India, the immigration is still not regulated.
28:43It has not been recognised
28:45as a regulated profession,
28:48which allows night-by-fly shelter,
28:52scrupulous agents,
28:54to play with the lives of innocent people
28:59who want to go abroad.
29:01I, through your TV channel,
29:04would like to suggest the government of India
29:07that there should be a test,
29:10a license fee, a regulatory,
29:13and every passport which is being issued
29:16and is presented at the airport
29:19at the time of flying out
29:21should have, like Australia,
29:23connection between Ministry of Home Affairs,
29:25Ministry of External Affairs,
29:27Labour Department,
29:28and the agent who has signed the document.
29:31Now, I also know that tomorrow
29:33these agents won't sign.
29:35What they will do?
29:36They will simply make this application
29:40in the name of the applicant only.
29:43But we all know that these applicants
29:45are so innocent,
29:46how could they fill 20 pages lengthy forms?
29:50So, if we have a fee attached to it,
29:53for example, if it is Punjab, Haryana, Gujarat,
29:55UP, Andhra Pradesh, Himachal,
29:58every application of immigration
30:02should be given a number
30:04and that token should come from
30:05Ministry of Home Affairs
30:06and Ministry of External Affairs,
30:08which means they have to feed in
30:10the number of the application
30:14before it goes to any high commission
30:16or embassy.
30:18It will help two ways.
30:19One, it will scrutinize the people.
30:23Application is in tandem with the laws.
30:27One.
30:28Two, there is a police clearance
30:30attached to it.
30:31Third, there is no legal impediment
30:33which does not allow him to fly out.
30:36All these small measures
30:38and public awareness program.
30:41As my learned friend and senior
30:44Congress MLA Pratap Singh Bajwa
30:48was saying that the police is involved.
30:50Yes.
30:51Without the cooperation and involvement
30:53of local administration,
30:55it is practically impossible
30:57for somebody to fly out of this country
30:59to the so-called donkey road.
31:01And Rahul, when I travel abroad,
31:05I'm shocked to see
31:07the kind of miserable life
31:10these boys live.
31:11So, as a nation,
31:13it is our responsibility
31:16that our young talent
31:17doesn't become a donkey
31:19through a donkey route.
31:21Absolutely.
31:22You've made some very important points, Pradeep Bhandari.
31:24There is an important suggestion there
31:25for the central government
31:26that regulate the sectors.
31:28Because these are fly-by-night operators operating
31:30without any kind of licensing,
31:32which is why even consumers,
31:34viewers don't know who to go to,
31:36who's safe, who's not.
31:37If these were regulated,
31:38if you had a license,
31:39like a doctor has a license,
31:40then you know who's a registered practitioner
31:42and who's not.
31:43Well, these are very valid suggestions
31:44and we take that into consideration.
31:46There is an immigration bill,
31:47amendment bill 2023,
31:49which is pending on the floor of the parliament.
31:51So, yes, these are...
31:52Does it have a provision for a license?
31:54Well, it does.
31:55I have to go into the details of it.
31:57But these valid suggestions
31:58which are given by the expert,
31:59we will factor in it
32:00if it is not there
32:01because it's an amendment bill
32:02which is still not being passed.
32:03But the larger point here, Rahul,
32:05which he was also speaking about
32:06is the local police support.
32:07I will give you a simple example.
32:09Your reporter and investigative team
32:11went to Jalandhar.
32:12Now, as per data and facts,
32:13375 FIRs are registered
32:15in Jalandhar Police Commission.
32:17But there has not been an action
32:18on a single FIR
32:19and all of these FIRs
32:20are related to illegal immigration.
32:22So, my charge here further is
32:24that whatever law you bring,
32:26if the local police does not act,
32:28it is an easy route
32:29for these agents to operate
32:31and it is just not a phenomenon of Jalandhar.
32:33For example, in Hoshiarpur,
32:35293 FIRs are registered on paper
32:37but not a single travel agent
32:39has been booked and acted on.
32:41So, my charge here is...
32:42Let Shashikant explain.
32:43Why does the police,
32:45because you have been Director General of Police...
32:46Just a temporary point
32:47because you asked me on the BSF part.
32:48On our part,
32:49the earlier jurisdiction
32:50in Bengal, Assam and Punjab
32:51of the BSF
32:52was limited to 15 km.
32:54Now, it is extended to 50 km.
32:56But if the local police station
32:57will not cooperate,
32:58no border force can act with affection.
33:01Let Shashikant try and explain
33:02why the police doesn't act
33:04more meaningfully.
33:06If there are FIRs,
33:07if there are these agencies
33:08which are flourishing,
33:10surely the local police station should act?
33:13Yes, certainly.
33:14I'll make a couple of short points.
33:16Yes, as far as the laws are concerned,
33:18yes, immigration laws
33:20and regulatory laws
33:22as far as the travel agents are concerned,
33:24they are very much there.
33:25Sadly, they are not followed.
33:27Yes.
33:28Number two, yes,
33:29I openly blame
33:31a section of police officers
33:33who are in cahoots with these guys.
33:35You go to Jalandhar,
33:36you'll find these boards all over.
33:38But tell me one thing,
33:39these guys, police guys,
33:41who are indulging in these things,
33:43but they continue to remain there
33:45for donkey's number of years.
33:47Why?
33:48Do they have somebody
33:49from the political side
33:51giving them protection?
33:52That we will not,
33:53we'll ensure that you will not go?
33:55I know certain police officers
33:57and I know certain travel agents.
34:00They have been ensuring
34:01that the kids of certain bigger,
34:03whether higher up,
34:04whether they are politicians
34:05or police or IAS or whatever,
34:07they just ensure that
34:09they live comfortably abroad.
34:12Let Dr. Aluwalia respond
34:14because you know this argument that you make
34:16that this is an old problem,
34:18it precedes the Bhagwatman government,
34:19I don't buy that
34:20because I was on the campaign trail
34:22with the AAP leaders in Punjab
34:24before you won the last elections.
34:26This is what you promised you would end.
34:28This is the promise
34:29with which you came to power.
34:30You can't say,
34:31it was going on from before.
34:32This is why Punjab voted you to power
34:35and you failed to deliver.
34:37No, we never failed to deliver.
34:39Most important thing,
34:40why people go abroad,
34:42what is the reason behind it?
34:43It is unemployment,
34:45it is the financial status of the families
34:49in the financial state of the state
34:50and financial of the center.
34:52Since 2014,
34:54when Narendra Modi government
34:56came into the power,
34:57what were the real issues?
34:59The real issues,
35:00they have started doing polarization
35:02and they have started
35:03dictating things like this.
35:04Then demonetization things happen.
35:06Now, what are the problems
35:07which Indian youth are facing?
35:09This is not only in Punjab.
35:10They are just defaming Punjab.
35:12It is also in Gujarat.
35:13What has happened there?
35:14Why they said that
35:15there is a Gujarat model
35:16and why Gujarat model people
35:17are going abroad?
35:18What is the reason?
35:19But they just want to defame only Punjab.
35:22The flight comes from the US,
35:23it will come directly to Punjab.
35:27I'm sorry,
35:29I think you're just trying to pass the buck.
35:31The fact that it's wrong
35:32to send flights only to Punjab
35:34is something I've discussed
35:35in a separate show.
35:36That's not the point.
35:37Aluwalia sir,
35:38you have to answer
35:39what's in your control.
35:40What is not in your control
35:41is not for you to answer.
35:42You're just trying to make it
35:43a political issue.
35:45You cannot change the central policy
35:46but you want state to make the policy.
35:48The central government
35:49is issuing a passport.
35:50They are not working anything
35:52like this on that
35:53but you want that Punjab
35:54has to take all the responsibility.
35:55We are responsible for any,
35:57you know,
35:58your vehicle.
35:59So you are responsible
36:00to shut down these illegal
36:01immigration centres
36:02that are operating
36:03under your nose.
36:04At least do this much.
36:05Rahul ji,
36:06it cannot be done like this.
36:08We have to follow the rules.
36:10We cannot do it like this.
36:11When you,
36:12when the expert
36:13has clearly mentioned
36:14that it is an
36:15uncalculated sector,
36:17there is no rule
36:18for this sector.
36:19If there is no rule,
36:20the Bharatiya Janata Party says,
36:22the centre says
36:23that we are on the bill,
36:25we are making the bill
36:26and you want Punjab
36:27only to take action
36:28on everything
36:29but the centre
36:30will not contribute
36:31anything for it.
36:32So if the sector
36:33is not, you know,
36:34divided,
36:35if it is an
36:36unauthorised sector,
36:37if there is a problem,
36:38we cannot, you know,
36:39overnight...
36:40Okay,
36:41Pradeep Bhandari
36:42wants to make a quick point
36:43and then I want to
36:44show our viewers
36:45part three of this.
36:46Rahul ji,
36:47flying on your show,
36:48just recently,
36:49two days back,
36:50Haryana has reintroduced
36:51the anti-human trafficking bill
36:52where all these centres
36:53will face
36:5410 years imprisonment
36:55and fine up to 5 lakh
36:56if they allure youth
36:57using donkey route.
36:58What has Punjab done?
36:59Point number one.
37:00Point number two,
37:01local law and order
37:02is the purview
37:03of the state government.
37:04The state government has failed.
37:05Point number three,
37:06unemployment rate in Punjab
37:07is maximum.
37:08It is higher in the urban areas.
37:09It is more than
37:10the national rate.
37:11We created 17 crore jobs.
37:12I don't want to divert.
37:13My simple argument here is
37:14the Punjab and Haryana
37:15High Court has reiterated
37:16they have not acted.
37:17Your report is suggesting
37:18that the local nexus
37:19is not being broken.
37:20There are more than 80 MLAs.
37:21How is it possible
37:22that none of the MLAs
37:23know about the nexus
37:24and they are not acting on it?
37:25Dr Nalla,
37:26what I want to understand
37:27from you as an immigration expert
37:28is that despite
37:29the ignominy,
37:30the spectacle
37:31of these immigrants
37:32being sent back
37:33so soon after
37:34when those wounds
37:35are still fresh,
37:36there are still queues
37:37of people trying
37:38to go abroad illegally.
37:39Why has it not
37:40changed behavior?
37:41First of all,
37:42I'll just make a comment.
37:43I'm interjecting.
37:44Pradeep,
37:45since you are
37:46a spokesperson
37:47for a ruling party,
37:48let there be a law
37:49that states
37:50that if a person
37:51who has been
37:52sent back
37:53to a country
37:54where there is
37:55no immigration,
37:56let there be a law
37:57which flows
37:58from the central government
38:00making a uniformity
38:02to control
38:03illegal immigration
38:05and illegal agents,
38:06number one.
38:07And please,
38:08don't blame the governments.
38:11It is a collective responsibility
38:13of the whole nation
38:14not to let our kids suffer.
38:16Please.
38:17So let's not get
38:18into this political fight.
38:19At this stage,
38:20we are here
38:21to save our young generation.
38:22Having said that,
38:23what Rahul has tried
38:25to raise,
38:26why this is again
38:28they are queuing up?
38:29Because
38:31they have not been
38:33properly informed,
38:35educated
38:36about global economies.
38:38They exactly don't know
38:39why they are going.
38:40In my career
38:41spanning of 35 years,
38:43Rahul,
38:44I've seen people
38:45exactly don't know
38:46why they are going out.
38:47So blaming Punjab
38:48or blaming Gujarat
38:49does not solve the issue.
38:51Blame the system
38:52which has not been able
38:53to provide
38:54enough employment
38:55within the country.
38:56That's one.
38:57Be it any state.
38:58Two,
38:59there has been
39:00lack of education
39:01to the youngsters
39:03and they
39:04simply because
39:05they are not aware
39:06of the difficulties
39:07involved in immigration,
39:08they choose
39:09a simpler
39:10and easy way.
39:11So,
39:12in a way,
39:13we have to educate
39:14our masses.
39:15That's a very important
39:16point you're making.
39:17Two,
39:18the parents
39:19of these boys
39:20and girls
39:21should be
39:22held responsible.
39:23They are responsible
39:24because they
39:25become part of it.
39:26It's like allowing
39:27a 16 year old child
39:28driving a vehicle
39:29without a license.
39:30No, but Mr. Bajwa,
39:31arguably,
39:32just look at the economics
39:33for a moment.
39:34If you're spending
39:35between 50 lakhs
39:36to one crore
39:37to go abroad,
39:38you obviously have
39:39that much land,
39:40that much cash
39:41to be able to do this.
39:42You could
39:43arguably have
39:44a better life
39:45staying in Punjab
39:46or elsewhere
39:47than trying
39:48this illegal route.
39:49The risk of getting caught,
39:50being sent back,
39:51living in miserable conditions.
39:52If you have
39:5350 lakh rupees
39:54to try this
39:55donkey route,
39:56that means you have
39:57a lot of money
39:58in your hands
39:59to be able to
40:00make a go for it.
40:01See Rahul,
40:02you must understand.
40:03You would be surprised
40:04that majority
40:05people in Punjab
40:06have land
40:07just around
40:08three and a half
40:09to four acres.
40:10And most of
40:11these boys
40:12have sold off.
40:13If they had two acres,
40:14they have sold
40:15both of these acres
40:16and taken a
40:17kind of a chance
40:18that once in America
40:19they feel that
40:20within the next
40:21three years
40:22we'll be able to
40:23repay back
40:24whatever we have done.
40:25So this is what it is.
40:26The conditions
40:27are not very good.
40:28So obviously
40:29and it has
40:30become Rahul,
40:31more of a fashion now.
40:32No single kid,
40:33even kids of
40:34very, very affluent
40:35families
40:36don't want to stay.
40:37Doctors,
40:38engineers,
40:39IT boys,
40:40people,
40:41big landlords,
40:42big builders,
40:43their own children.
40:44It's become a fashion
40:45in Punjab
40:46to go abroad.
40:47Nobody wants to stay.
40:48Somehow this kind
40:49of a situation
40:50has occurred.
40:51And now
40:52the same thing
40:53has started occurring
40:54in states like Haryana
40:55and others also,
40:56Gujarat, Haryana.
40:57Now more boys
40:58of Haryana
40:59have gone
41:00via the Dunkey route
41:01than Punjab
41:02of late.
41:03And the rate
41:04in Haryana
41:05is 60 to 70 lakhs
41:06where Punjab
41:07is 50 lakh rupees.
41:08So why is Punjab
41:09cheaper than Haryana
41:10on a different note?
41:11It's cheaper
41:12because
41:13now land
41:14in Haryana
41:15is more costlier
41:16than lands in Punjab.
41:17That is how
41:18the Haryana boys
41:19bring out
41:20more money.
41:21Sell out more money
41:22than Punjab.
41:23I'm actually grappling
41:24to come to terms
41:25with this.
41:26Rahul,
41:27average landholder,
41:28the price in Punjab
41:29is around
41:3025 lakh rupees.
41:31In Haryana,
41:32because of
41:33NCR region,
41:34it's 50, 60,
41:3570 lakh rupees
41:36per acre.
41:37So that's why
41:38they are selling
41:39out more money.
41:40See, Rahul,
41:41I just want to say
41:42one thing at last.
41:43I have to
41:44please leave.
41:45And I want to ask
41:46Mr. Aluwali,
41:47forget about
41:48this.
41:49Will they promise
41:50at least some action
41:51against this
41:52illegal immigration
41:53centres?
41:54Will they stop them?
41:55Will they attach
41:56their properties?
41:57Will they register
41:58cases?
41:59Will they promise
42:00us at least
42:01boys who have
42:02come back,
42:03at least
42:04their money
42:05should be
42:06returned back?
42:07Why should money
42:08be returned back?
42:09So one second,
42:10why should money
42:11be returned back?
42:12I don't agree.
42:13You do something
42:14illegal knowing
42:15that it is wrong.
42:16You get caught
42:17and you get caught
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