Los arrendatarios dejaron una millonaria deuda.
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00:00I want to know what happened with Marina's house, a case that we presented here on April 12,
00:06about three months have passed, and the truth is that with the new law,
00:10Give me back my house, we stayed there with a pending issue.
00:13Hi Clarice!
00:16Hi Pri, how are you?
00:18Hey, this house I think is an emblem of the law, Give me back my house.
00:21This house that you see here, is located in the community of...
00:25...8...
00:30Clarice, look, we are going to improve the connection,
00:35because the truth is that you started talking and we started to hear you interrupted.
00:38The truth is that we don't hear you at all.
00:39But let's see, if I check it, the director will let me know.
00:43Of course, on April 12, we presented this case,
00:46a house that for 8 years was being occupied,
00:49the rent was not being paid to the person,
00:52who is a woman, an adult, 72 years old,
00:55and unfortunately did not receive rent for this house.
00:58There was an additional concern about how this house was inside.
01:01Let's see if we come back to you Clarice, we hear you loud and clear.
01:06Now you hear me?
01:06Yes.
01:07Perfect.
01:07Fantastic.
01:09I told you that it was 8 years, Pri, without paying the rent, 8 years,
01:13and an unusual water debt.
01:154.5 million is what this house owes in water,
01:18for a family that decided to simply stop paying,
01:21like that, with total disarray.
01:22Well, we came here for the program, we took care of the matter,
01:26we tried to face it and they hit us, they threw stones at us, they threatened us,
01:30they even told us that if we followed them to the place where they got in,
01:34it would get worse, they would assault us.
01:36But Pri, today I have incredible news, literally incredible.
01:41Otu, please, I need music from the end of the TV show.
01:44That's the music we need to give this news.
01:46End of the TV show.
01:49This house, that is there,
01:52was finally given to Mrs. Atalia.
01:57It's a giant applause.
01:59The magic of television, 8 years without wanting to leave the house,
02:03and finally, finally.
02:05I have a heart attack now, of emotion, of emotion, I can't believe it.
02:10Now, to you, and to start all over again, because I have nothing,
02:16That is our great fear and doubt.
02:21I know that there are also people who have followed the program,
02:26and want to know.
02:27Exciting, right? How was it? How did they give you the news?
02:30My daughter called me,
02:32Wait, wait, wait.
02:33My daughter called me to come to the house that was already unoccupied.
02:38I didn't see that because I was half sick.
02:42But when she called me, I never thought I was in shock.
02:47I was in shock, I'm still in shock.
02:49How long ago was it?
02:51One day, two days?
02:53On Friday.
02:54Marina, come here, you too.
02:55We want to hear you, because you are with us.
02:57On that controversial day, when they grabbed us by the arm,
03:00for coming here to ask.
03:04How did you find out?
03:06He came to the receptor,
03:10and I, with the direct contact with the lawyer,
03:12the statement came out that the house was already unoccupied,
03:18so the lawyer advised me to come and see.
03:21And if there was no bed, there was nothing,
03:23that I didn't have any problem, and I came in.
03:26I came with someone to open the sheets,
03:29I changed all the sheets, I changed everything, and I came in.
03:33Marina, this was a different activation.
03:35We normally try to get people to help us,
03:38to get things, but this activation was to return you to your house.
03:42We insisted, we insisted, and it was a long story.
03:45Look, for the people who may not have seen it,
03:48we are going to recap a little, we are going to tell it from the beginning.
03:51What happened here?
03:52Marina calls us and tells us,
03:54look, I have a problem because eight years ago,
03:56my mom has rented a house that does not pay the rent,
03:59not a penny, nothing, they have not paid the basic bills either,
04:02and we need help, we are desperate.
04:05They had tried before with other television programs that had come,
04:08they had already warned us that it could be dangerous,
04:10because these people had attacked another television team before us.
04:14Well, we arrived here in April,
04:17it was one of our first programs of this season,
04:19and Marina tells me, look, look, look,
04:23those who go there are the people who are staying with the house,
04:26we see two people who go with a car.
04:28So we got off quickly,
04:30Edu, my producer, Edu, look, come here, say hello,
04:34Edu goes and says, let's connect quickly,
04:37we took out the camera and started to go behind her and tell her,
04:40hey, you are the people who live there.
04:42First they denied us, they said, no, we are not, nothing to do with it.
04:45But Marina gave me a sign, yes, yes, they are, even if they deny it to you, they are.
04:50So there we started to follow her and suddenly she got angry,
04:53she didn't want us to keep asking her.
04:56I don't know if we have the environment to check what is heard with audio,
04:59what they told us, let's check it out.
05:01Let's see it.
05:20Clarissa, when we recapitulate what we lived in that chapter of April 12,
05:25the truth is that what draws attention, imagine,
05:27if they were so violent with a journalist team,
05:29I imagine it was impossible to talk to them,
05:31for Marina it must have been very, very complex.
05:34Jairo was there too, and clearly they were left with their arms crossed,
05:38they had that rent, but they didn't pay it 8 years ago.
05:42This is how flexible the legislation was,
05:45until finally this law came into force,
05:49give me back my house.
05:51That is why it is so important that people know all those antecedents
05:55to know how to proceed,
05:57because it is definitely a situation that is very uncomfortable,
06:00Mrs. Marina was living on arrival,
06:02she wanted to get her house back to live there,
06:04and the truth is that the situation was getting more and more complex.
06:08Look, the magic of television allowed these people
06:11after 8 years to leave the house,
06:13because of course, they probably felt threatened,
06:15we had already shown their faces,
06:17because in the end there are people so expensive that they like
06:20and get used to living for free,
06:22and it gives them the same needs that the owner or the owner of this property can have.
06:31What happens is that this is a story that has several origins,
06:34so after they threw the first stone at us,
06:36they started throwing stones at us here in the passage,
06:39because there are people from the family who live around here too,
06:41we were with the hammock,
06:43the hammock to all this, nothing, that woman was not afraid of anything,
06:46I was on the phone, I was on the channel,
06:48I said it and went there to talk to them,
06:51I did not imagine Maca Venegas in that facet,
06:55but after that,
06:59I have cancer for that,
07:02I have a lot of experience in facing criminals.
07:05Yes, it is true, hey Maca, I also want to involve you,
07:09so that you tell us about that experience,
07:11because of course, you have the possibility of facing,
07:14you have arguments also to deliver to people,
07:16but it is not easy,
07:17because of course, one imagines a lawyer who is in a office,
07:19calling by phone, maybe through Zoom,
07:21but with what difficulties did you find yourself,
07:25because finally it is like a shock of reality,
07:27when you go out on the street.
07:29It is true, yes, the truth is that it is so beautiful to do this work,
07:33as in the field, because in reality you realize
07:36what are the realities that people live,
07:38the injustice that they suffer,
07:40in this case of Mrs. Marina, Mrs. Adela, right?
07:42They wanted to recover what is theirs,
07:45imagine facing this injustice,
07:47which is eight years renting the house,
07:49without being paid, without paying the basic bills,
07:52and that you also try to dialogue with these people
07:55to reach agreements,
07:56and that they beat you really, literally to pieces,
08:00that is, it is like the emblematic case of impotence,
08:04of injustice that a person or a family can live,
08:07so the first thing is that I am very happy
08:10because they were able to recover their house,
08:12I know that unfortunately the house is in bad condition,
08:15I think that these people, and that happens a lot,
08:19many people who do not pay the rent many times,
08:22when they feel somehow pressured to move away,
08:25what they do is that they come in some way
08:28and they take things, they throw things,
08:31the truth is that they leave the house in very bad conditions.
08:36Yes, Maca, we are seeing images of how the interior of this house was,
08:40it was supposed to be in bad condition,
08:43and that is why I also want to ask you,
08:45first we are going to break down each of the issues
08:48that this case is giving us,
08:50but when you went to the place,
08:54what legal issue could we rescue?
08:57Because there was a lease contract,
09:00the lease contract apparently was not with the people
09:02who were occupying the house,
09:04do you remember Maca, so that we can remember this case?
09:06I remember perfectly, yes,
09:08what an important question Pri, because let's see,
09:10several things, first I understand that here
09:12the lease contract was not broken,
09:14I would say that this is a failure,
09:17an important lack,
09:19I believe that the contracts must always be broken,
09:21but here it did not exist, without prejudice,
09:24so I understand that Mrs. Adela had passed this house
09:26to the person who lived here,
09:28who was a man by the name of Naranjo,
09:30well, when we went,
09:32I don't know if Mr. Naranjo was present,
09:35or if Mr. Naranjo's relatives were present,
09:37the truth, and what the file says,
09:39because I was reviewing it on the page of the Judicial Power,
09:41is that there were two women,
09:43until last week or the day before,
09:45before they hit the house, living in that house,
09:47and it is extremely important to know
09:49that when one directs an action
09:51regarding the person who is occupying the house,
09:53be it by lease contract,
09:55be it by mere tolerance of the owner,
09:58the sentence, it is true, is punishable,
10:01that is, it becomes effective
10:03regarding the people to whom it gave demand,
10:05if it is that, imagine,
10:07there is a period of time
10:09in which the person to whom the sentence becomes effective
10:11leaves the house,
10:13and, for example, Mrs. Marina
10:15had not realized that the house was unoccupied,
10:17if a third party had come to occupy the house,
10:20they would have to have initiated
10:22a new legal action against that third party
10:24who occupies the house.
10:26So I care to make this point clear,
10:28because, in fact,
10:30if you go to the file,
10:32which I reviewed last week,
10:34I had the opportunity to look at it,
10:36and I saw that the house was not occupied
10:38and that they did not have a relationship
10:40of dependency, of kinship,
10:42with Mr. Naranjo.
10:44Imagine what would have happened
10:46if these people had decided to stay in that house.
10:48They would have had to initiate,
10:50right, a new action.
10:52So if you ask me, tell me.
10:54No, if indeed,
10:56these two people left the house,
10:58but they could probably have continued
11:00perhaps one more year,
11:02because they would have to have initiated
11:04a new legal action against them.
11:06Exactly, Pri.
11:08Exactly.
11:10So, the truth is that
11:12what happened here is very important.
11:14It's a miracle.
11:16Because, in fact, there is a sentence
11:18in the notebook, let's say,
11:20where this incidental compliance has to be fulfilled.
11:22It's very technical what I'm saying,
11:24but I'm really going to try to explain it.
11:26And it said that if the people sued
11:28were not these women who lived in the house,
11:30the eviction sentence was not opposable.
11:32Imagine, Pri.
11:34Of course.
11:36So this is very good.
11:38Look, we're looking at the images inside.
11:40Clarissa, you can tell us.
11:44Yes, look, this is the state
11:46in which the house was.
11:48What you just saw is the bathroom,
11:50which has all the sky covered.
11:52They put it like a wallpaper, I would say.
11:54It's something like that.
11:56The cables are in terrible condition.
11:58It's all loose.
12:00We left it on,
12:02and we didn't dare to close it.
12:04Look at the state of the tub,
12:06for example, the bathroom.
12:08You have to put a lot of glue in it.
12:10But look, let's go to the back.
12:12Sevita, come with us here.
12:14Because here they left particular messages
12:16on the walls.
12:18Here it is clearly directed.
12:22Because in a second stage
12:24we were called by these people
12:26because they wanted to dialogue.
12:28They saw each other on TV
12:30and said, look, we want to talk to you
12:32to show you that we are educated people.
12:34So this is their education,
12:36finally, the one we can see here.
12:38But here, look,
12:40they wanted to show that they could speak English.
12:42Because they left, I hate you,
12:44written, but in English, on the wall.
12:46I hate you.
12:48Of course.
12:50And it's not necessary.
12:52Imagine how long they lived there for free.
12:54Of course.
12:56Eight years.
12:58Clarissa.
13:00Clarissa.
13:02I want to ask you about the electrical installations
13:04and probably also
13:06some arrangements that they will have to do
13:08yes or yes, because finally
13:10if they leave them that way, it could be risky.
13:12And let's take advantage of the fact that we are with Luis Salamanca
13:14here in the studio.
13:16Yes, notice that I am looking
13:18that there are some switches
13:20that are there on the wall
13:22in a very bad state.
13:24If there is an energized team,
13:26Clarissa, take your hand out,
13:28there it can really produce
13:30and you can see that it is
13:32I don't know if it is very burned.
13:34It looks like they took the box.
13:36The electrical connections of the lighting,
13:38as they are there, are super irregular and very dirty.
13:40Remember people that the dust
13:42when it is stored, it goes
13:44gathering, that is also part of the
13:46fuel. Therefore, cleaning
13:48in electrical connections is important.
13:50It gives you the opportunity to improve there.
13:52So be careful with that.
13:54In fact, most
13:56of the fires that are made
13:58in the ceiling is due to the dust.
14:00The dust that accumulates in the cables
14:02and there is a spark and that produces
14:04a combustion and it turns on.
14:06And the ceiling is made of wood, from what I can see.
14:08Clari, I want to tell you something.
14:10We were inside the house
14:12and I really find
14:14that it is really bad because we were
14:16there and the house was painted,
14:18it was not suitable for the family
14:20and now seeing the conditions that left it
14:22is very different,
14:24as we saw it a couple of months ago.
14:26That is, this was basically done
14:28with that intention.
14:30Yes, I think Jairo that here they destroyed more.
14:32Yes, look at the garbage.
14:34There is a bad intention.
14:36When we came, it was clearly not a pilot house.
14:38But it was in better conditions.
14:40They took the furniture from the kitchen.
14:42The bathroom was finished.
14:44Look at the sanitary conditions.
14:46I do not remember that it was like this
14:48and we were here for a long time.
14:50But it was not seen.
14:52It was running.
14:54Now the dirt was clearly
14:56from before.
14:58That is like millennial.
15:00That is, the dirt that is stuck
15:02in the cables of the corridor switch,
15:04of the socket of the corridor,
15:06is that they never cleaned in life.
15:08Now that I see that key,
15:10that probably
15:12cannot be closed
15:14because they accumulate a debt of 4 million pesos
15:16in luxury or basic services in general.
15:18And water?
15:20In water.
15:22Yes, if they do not fix the keys,
15:24imagine the amount of water that is lost there.
15:26Of course.
15:28They do it on purpose almost.
15:30Can you show me Mrs. Marina?
15:34Marina, come here.
15:36Hey Pri, what I told you is that Mrs. Adela
15:38told us that
15:40they tried to block with the water company
15:42so that they cut the water in a minute
15:44and it was not possible.
15:46That is why the debt reached that point.
15:48Because they did not accumulate so much light.
15:50Because they managed to block the convenience.
15:52So they did not have that convenience.
15:54If they did not pay, they cut the light.
15:56So they were forced to pay.
15:58With the water they could not do that.
16:00Marina, look over there.
16:02Marina, you gave your mother
16:04good news and bad news.
16:06Which did you give first?
16:08Because the truth is that I imagine it was difficult.
16:10In the beginning, of course,
16:12it is a tremendous news to be returned to the house
16:14after 8 years.
16:16But second came the conditions
16:18that were in her house.
16:20How did she react?
16:22I would like to know that moment.
16:24At that moment,
16:26she did not speak.
16:28She did not speak.
16:30She did not say anything.
16:32Because I warned her
16:34when I was already inside.
16:36I see.
16:40I changed the sheets.
16:42And when ...
16:44Because if you look,
16:46the doors of this house are made of iron.
16:48Yes.
16:50So ...
16:52Hey, Marina, and now this house
16:54has to look good for your mother?
16:56For an older person?
16:58Yes.
17:00For my mother.
17:02What is the future of this house?
17:04I have my house. I do not live in Santiago.
17:06What is the future of this house?
17:08What do you expect to do with this house?
17:10I want my mother to live.
17:14I want my mother to live.
17:16Because she is even afraid
17:18to be like this.
17:20That's what she said.
17:22Yes.
17:24She told me to come.
17:26But I do not change.
17:28I live in another region.
17:30I live in another region.
17:32I have another quality of life.
17:34And I have animals.
17:36It's complicated.
17:38But for now,
17:40you have to make it habitable.
17:42I'm going to stay here now.
17:44I'm going to stay here for a while.
17:46To take care of it.
17:48You have to take care of the house.
17:50I think that before that,
17:52you do not have to move to that house.
17:54No, not at all.
17:56There is a lot to do in that house
17:58to make it habitable.
18:00To make it habitable,
18:02you have to do a lot of things.
18:04Of course.
18:06First of all,
18:08I don't know where to start.
18:10I don't have the means.
18:12I don't even have anything.
18:14They were coming everywhere
18:16because they had nowhere to live.
18:18I'm going to have to start little by little.
18:20I'm going to see what happens.
18:22I don't know.
18:24I'm still so shocked.
18:26I have a house.
18:28I never thought I would have it.
18:30Even now,
18:32I have a heart attack.
18:34I can't believe it.
18:36You're not even prepared.
18:38I still can't.
18:40Mrs. Adela, how are you?
18:42Are you happy?
18:44Yes, of course.
18:46Before I die,
18:48I don't want to have it.
18:50I thought I was going to die.
18:52Strange things were coming.
18:54It's complicated.
18:56I thought it was going to be
18:58chaotic.
19:00I thought it was going to be worse.
19:02I thought it was going to kill me.
19:04But,
19:06the good thing is that nothing happened to anyone.
19:08All this can be fixed.
19:10That's true.
19:12There are things that can be fixed.
19:14I don't know how to fix it.
19:16I can't live like this.
19:18I asked a specialist.
19:20Tell me.
19:22I asked a specialist because we're here with Jairo Valdez.
19:24You met him.
19:26How can we fix this house?
19:28What can we do?
19:30Can we do something?
19:32Yes, we can do something.
19:34But it makes me angry.
19:36The house is not in a condition
19:38for her to live.
19:40But you know what?
19:42Everything has a solution,
19:44except death.
19:46The first thing I'm going to do
19:48is inspect your house.
19:50I see that it has problems with humidity,
19:52sanitary connections,
19:54but for this,
19:56I'm going to go to the inspection
19:58and see if we can collaborate.
20:00But the invitation is to the community.
20:02Let's see if we can get some professionals
20:04who can help us.
20:06For example, an electrician, a gaffer,
20:08and we can make a team,
20:10go and help them.
20:12Maybe you don't know how to do
20:14this kind of thing,
20:16but maybe you can help us clean,
20:18paint, and enable the house for you
20:20so that you can live again soon.
20:22Yes, we need volunteers.
20:24We need to invite people
20:26who can help us.
20:28A gaffer, an electrician...
20:30They have to contact you.
20:32Yes, Jairo Quibon Bajo Valdez,
20:34so that we can help him
20:36so that he can come back to his house.
20:38The house is so special,
20:40so a person like me
20:42needs to have a decent home
20:44to be able to live.
20:46It's been almost a decade,
20:48Mrs. Adela.
20:50You need and deserve
20:52a decent place to live.
20:56I don't know.
20:58I still can't believe it.
21:00It happened so bad.
21:02I thought I would never get it back.
21:04It was horrible, horrible.
21:06Living on the street,
21:08working indoors,
21:10not having a place to sleep.
21:12It was a very hard situation for me.
21:14Many years, many years,
21:16many years.
21:18I was a widow,
21:20not having a place to live.
21:22I lost my oldest son, not having a place to live.
21:24It was horrible, horrible, horrible.
21:26So I thought
21:28I would never get it back.
21:30But you got it back, Mrs. Marina.
21:32We have until 4 p.m.
21:34so that our community can get active today.
21:36So let's give her a round of applause.
21:38A kiss for you, Mrs. Marina.
21:40I'm going to stay at your house
21:42so that we can inspect the place.
21:44Yes, because today we are asking
21:46you to give us your time.
21:48So that you can give us your time.
21:50You can probably dedicate it to something else,
21:52but that is also generosity.
21:54If you have knowledge of
21:56graffiti, electrician,
21:58carpentry,
22:00or maybe just an accompaniment.
22:02Or go and clean this house.
22:04Accompany Mrs. Adela.
22:06Definitely, that also enriches the heart.
22:08Let's be attentive to the messages
22:10that arrive to you, Jairo.
22:12And Maca, we will contact you
22:14to ask you more questions.
22:16Because, look, imagine
22:18what happens with the debts
22:20of the basic accounts that they have.
22:22It must also be very complex.
22:24And in the face of that,
22:26they could also file a lawsuit.
22:28I don't know if you can answer that, Maca.
22:32Yes, well, the truth is that
22:34what impotence to see this house
22:36in the state it was.
22:38And the truth is that one says,
22:40well, here you have to charge several things.
22:42That can also be done.
22:44Of course, but I'm going to tell you
22:46what the problem is with all this.
22:48Here there are 4 million
22:50of water debt.
22:52There is an obvious deterioration of the house.
22:54So one could say,
22:56hey, here there is a tenant
22:58who has a person,
23:00here I have the data of that person,
23:02and I could sue her.
23:04But I wonder where that person is.
23:06So here comes a research
23:08to say, of course, I have an option here.
23:10This person lived more than 8 years.
23:12I understand that 8 years is what he did not pay.
23:14But he lived more than that time
23:16in the house of Mrs. Adela.
23:18So there is a pending debt.
23:20There is this deterioration.
23:22I could, as the owner, sue that person.
23:24Of course yes.
23:26To indemnify the prejudices
23:28and to charge that debt for a water
23:30that Mrs. Adela did not spend.
23:32But the big question,
23:34and I always advise it as a lawyer,
23:36is to say, well, perfect.
23:38But I have an individualized person.
23:40But where is that person?
23:42What is his home to indemnify the claim?
23:44Does he have assets, does he have resources
23:46with which he will be able to pay me?
23:48So these are valid questions that must be asked
23:50the day you really want to hire a lawyer
23:52and say, well, will this action be successful
23:54or will it not be successful?
23:56Of course, if not, everything will be in vain
23:58and finally in a waste of time and resources.
24:00But as far as ...
24:02And it's frustrating.
24:04Imagine how frustrating it can be.
24:06If she somehow has to have water
24:08again in her house
24:10or electricity,
24:12which finally had been cut off.
24:14What happens with that?
24:16Can you renegotiate with the company?
24:18Is there that possibility?
24:20Yes, without a doubt.
24:22Whenever there is a will to pay,
24:24all companies, especially those of basic services,
24:26are eager to renegotiate,
24:28to renegotiate that debt.
24:30And I want to unite it
24:32also with the new law,
24:34give me back my house.
24:36Notice that just when we talked
24:38last week about this new precautionary measure
24:40that the law brings,
24:42which is when you realize
24:44as a landlord owner
24:46that your house is being mistreated,
24:48that your house is being demolished,
24:50that you see the broken glass,
24:52that you see that deep down there is no concern
24:54on the part of the owner,
24:56you can, here before the law,
24:58seriously,
25:00direct this anticipated restructuring
25:02of your property.
25:04And it seems to me that with the times that run,
25:06that is something that does justice
25:08precisely with the owner,
25:10with the landlord,
25:12precisely so as not to reach these extremes
25:14in which the landlord has these luxuries
25:16of not paying,
25:18of not leaving,
25:20and that when he leaves,
25:22he comes and leaves the house
25:24practically destroyed.