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00:00Can we go back to what we just heard Steve Kerr say, though?
00:02Please, yeah.
00:03Steve Kerr, and we didn't get the chance really to talk about this yesterday, you know, because
00:09they've turned us into game show hosts in the second half of the show, which is fine.
00:13We're giving away stuff left and right.
00:15Let's make a deal.
00:16But I noticed this from Steve Kerr with our arranging conversation yesterday.
00:24He could not stop complimenting Mike Dunleavy.
00:28Now, of course he's going to do that.
00:32I understand.
00:33I understand.
00:34He's publicly going to support Mike Dunleavy.
00:37But can we go back to last week at this time?
00:42Exactly one week ago was the day that the Warriors acquired Jimmy Butler, but they did
00:47it just after 5 o'clock.
00:49So we're literally heading toward exactly the one week-aversary of the acquisition of
00:54Jimmy Butler.
00:56And I would argue, and maybe it's just the echo chamber, but I'd argue that what I'm
01:00hearing in that moment was a lot of growing negativity toward Mike Dunleavy.
01:07A lot of it.
01:08You can't get a deal done.
01:09Remember the day before, Kevin Durant, I'm not coming, and people were like, oh my God,
01:15the Lakers got Luka, and Dunleavy's sitting here, and he wouldn't part with pods.
01:22That was, I'm hearing a lot of that, right?
01:25And they get Jimmy Butler, and they play two games, they win two games, Jimmy scores
01:30a bunch of points in both games, Steve Kerr's just propping up Mike Dunleavy.
01:36And then look around the league.
01:38Look around the league.
01:40The Miami Heat, for two months, have been dragged through a situation.
01:44The Dallas Mavericks general manager is receiving death threats.
01:49The Lakers pulled off a smaller trade that got rescinded, and their rookie first rounder,
01:55who they really love, now won't play for them because he is emotionally hurt.
01:59Takes time.
02:00Okay?
02:01Takes time.
02:02The Phoenix Suns dragged all of their stars through social media mud, and now everybody
02:06hates everybody in a toxic locker room, okay?
02:10The Sacramento Kings dealt De'Aaron Fox, and I'd largely think most fans are still sitting
02:15here going, I don't know what happened there.
02:18Why?
02:19Yeah.
02:20Mike Brown, De'Aaron, I don't get it, and I don't.
02:24I have no idea what the hell just happened there over the last two months.
02:27It's a void of leadership, is what it is.
02:30It's clear that the player didn't like the coach, and so the coach got fired, and then
02:35the player was like, you know, I don't like the team either.
02:38Is that clear?
02:39It's not clear, but that's the way I read the tea leaves, and the Joes in the morning,
02:43in the morning Joes, morning roast, they were, Shaski was laying out the whole Chris
02:48Weber, Don Nelson thing, and this feels a little bit like that to a lesser extent, where
02:54Weber didn't want to be around Nellie, and so the Warriors had to choose between Weber
02:59and Nellie.
03:00They chose Nellie, and so they traded Weber, and then Nellie left a year later.
03:04Anyway, this feels a little bit like that, where for some reason, Mike Brown was not
03:09connecting with the team, and so you fired Mike Brown, and you brought in Doug Christie,
03:13and then your star player, less than a month later, was like, nah, I don't want to be here
03:17anyway.
03:18I want to go to San Antonio, so you dealt him.
03:21So you took out a coach who's won an NBA title, replacing him with a guy who I liked.
03:26I know Doug a little bit from doing some TV work.
03:29He's a great guy.
03:30I don't know how he is as a coach, but you have a new coach, and your star still is like,
03:36nah, I still want out.
03:37And so then you trade him.
03:39That to me is a broken organization.
03:41If you could set up a meeting between Doug Christie and the lovely Christie, I think
03:46she would enjoy it.
03:47Yeah.
03:48Yeah, she had a crush on him back in the day.
03:49Oh, wow.
03:50She used to dream about being Christie Christie.
03:51Yeah.
03:52Not going to happen.
03:53Anyway, just thought I'd throw that in there.
03:54Think about the former New Jersey governor, Christie, who we could throw in as well to
03:58meet you.
03:59Oh, yeah, Chris Christie.
04:00Yeah, Chris Christie.
04:02So you want Chris Christie to introduce Christie to Doug Christie?
04:03Yeah, and maybe we could have Christie Brinkley be a part of it as well.
04:06But now we're going too far down the road.
04:08Your references are a little old.
04:10Yeah.
04:11Jeezy Money on YouTube with a great line, he said, Sacramento's gone from light the
04:17beam to change the bulb.
04:20To damn five is what that is.
04:22That's pretty good.
04:23Yeah.
04:24That's pretty good.
04:25And how many kings does it take to change a light bulb?
04:26Apparently, yeah.
04:27All of them.
04:28More, yeah, more than it should.
04:29I guess is probably the answer.
04:30Anyway.
04:31To your greater point.
04:32Like what I'm asking is, is how, I guess it's how you like Mike Dunleavy now.
04:39Yeah.
04:40You like him a lot.
04:41You like him a lot.
04:42And, uh, you know, I, I know he's going to make an appearance on our station in the very
04:45near future.
04:46I think tomorrow at one o'clock.
04:47Is that right?
04:48I think that's right.
04:49One o'clock we're starting to go.
04:50And I look forward to, uh, hearing them hold his feet to the fire.
04:54I do want to know about, and the question that I have for Mike is what's it like when
04:59you're doing everything you did, which is like, you call Phoenix, hold on.
05:04Miami's calling.
05:05Hey, how you doing?
05:06Hold on.
05:07It's Washington.
05:08And you're like bibbidi-bobbidi-boop.
05:09New Orleans is on hold.
05:10It kind of reminds me of money ball when, um, Brad Pitt is doing his Billy Bean and
05:14he's like, you know, call the Rangers and you know, you have all these calls.
05:18Hold on.
05:19I'm getting another call.
05:20And I wonder how much of that Mike Dunleavy was going through when you're trying to all
05:24in on, we want Kevin Durant.
05:27And then it's like, we want Jimmy Butler.
05:29What do you really want?
05:30I do think it's, I don't know if fans minds do.
05:34And I think this is what you're describing, but my mind goes there.
05:36What do those calls sound like?
05:39What do you say?
05:41Like it's, we do the ESPN trade machine, right?
05:44What do you do?
05:45What do you call?
05:46You call the sons?
05:48Like we want Durant, like we can't have Durant.
05:52Like is it that, is it no, is it the same as when you and I might want to make a trade
05:57in fantasy football, right?
06:00Does it sound like that?
06:01Or, or is it, I would hope more professional.
06:04Yes.
06:05I don't know.
06:06At the same time.
06:07It's like, okay, how, how do we make this work?
06:09You know, we got Dennis Schroeder expiring.
06:11You want Dennis?
06:12Uh, we probably don't, but hold on.
06:14Let me call Utah and you call Utah and Utah's like, yeah, that's, that sounds pretty good.
06:19But you know what?
06:20Maybe Miami wants them.
06:21Let me call Miami.
06:22And so now you've got these four, these four team trades and you've got a four way phone
06:26call and Dennis Schroeder's maybe thrown back and forth.
06:29Did you hear the Danny Ainge in Utah who was actually a third player in the Luca and Anthony
06:34Davis trade?
06:36They were involved in it and they didn't know that Luca and Anthony Davis were involved
06:41in the trade.
06:42Wait, what?
06:43Danny says that he found out at the last second that that's what was going on between Dallas
06:48and the Lakers.
06:49All he knew is that he was facilitating a trade.
06:52Gotcha.
06:53And his portion was, and I don't even know what the hell it was.
06:56Somebody got a second rounder for, as you said, beepity boppity boo, right?
07:01That was Utah's per portion.
07:03And he had no idea that Luca and Anthony Davis were changing addresses.
07:08No clue.
07:09So I don't know.
07:10I really don't know.
07:11And I am curious how those conversations go.
07:15But like I'll ask this and again, here's what Steve Kerr said yesterday.
07:20What Mike has done in his year and a half here, you know, um, these guys who he's brought
07:25in, uh, Brandon and Quentin and Jimmy, I mean, to me, these guys are, are rounding
07:32out our team in a really important way.
07:34Chris Paul last year, you know, very, very similar, just adding, uh, adding the IQ and
07:39the feel that, that allows stuff to really thrive, um, has been hugely important.
07:44And I think Mike has played a big role in all that.
07:47Yeah.
07:48Like, I'd love to talk about this a little bit.
07:49And the conversation is kind of organically going this direction because I'm thinking
07:53about this and I did hear a lot of negativity pointed toward Mike Dunleavy last week.
07:58And I haven't heard anybody sort of circle back on that.
08:01Look, the Jimmy Butler thing that we got a long way to go before we know exactly if this
08:06was good, bad, or, or, or somewhere in between.
08:09But as people start celebrating Quentin posts and as Brandon Podjemski looks better and
08:17better since his injury, and as you do swing a big deal, and in fact, swing a big deal,
08:24forget if you love Butler, Andrew Wiggins, what your thought is on that.
08:28You engage the Phoenix suns for a week and a half.
08:33And then when they just completely emotionally crumbled and turned into a puddle, you pivoted
08:41and you were still able to get something done with them completely removed from the process.
08:46Meanwhile, Dallas's GM decided to make his name the biggest name in the sport for a few
08:52weeks and is now the most hated man in the history of the city.
08:56All of that's going on.
08:58And meanwhile, here's Mike Dunleavy, who has not been the GM for very long and has pulled
09:05off a number of moves, even go back to, I know Schroeder didn't work, but like he pulled
09:10that off quickly.
09:12It made sense at the time.
09:13And then when it wasn't great, you pivoted out of it.
09:16I don't know.
09:17I just, I wonder, like I'm very high on Dunleavy.
09:20I have been the whole time, but I wonder where people are specifically this week because
09:26it feels like about a week ago, people were starting to get the paper airplanes ready
09:30and they wanted to throw them at his head a little bit.
09:32But I do think when you look at what he's done in his trades and I'm looking at the
09:36clay Thompson trade from last year where you got him into a sign in trade.
09:41And so you were able to get Kyle Anderson and buddy healed.
09:45We know that Kyle Anderson turned into in part Jimmy Butler and D'Anthony Melton.
09:51You signed in the mid level and he got hurt.
09:53He turned into Schroeder and so Schroeder and Anderson along with Wiggins turned into
09:58Jimmy Butler.
09:59So you went from clay to Jimmy Butler and you also got buddy healed.
10:04So you had clay and you basically netted buddy healed and Jimmy Butler.
10:10And I know second round picks came in and you had to send a first round pick out.
10:14So it's not as easy as a one for two trade, but you went from clay and you wound up with
10:20buddy healed and Jimmy Butler.
10:22D'Anthony Melton became a short term rental, which turned into Schroeder, which turned
10:26into a piece for Jimmy Butler and the rest of it.
10:29And Lindy Waters is another one that he was found in the Mike Dunleavy era.
10:35And you know, whatever credit you give him, you give him blame.
10:38So you give him credit.
10:39Well, and you, you mentioned all those things there and those are all moves and trades and
10:43transactions.
10:44He's also made three draft picks and two of them are in the second round.
10:48And whatever you think about each of those players, they're all on the team.
10:52The second rounders have made the team.
10:55The first round draft pick is in the rising stars game coming up this weekend.
11:01And the second round pick most recently has a new nickname and is screaming in the faces
11:06of opponents the other night and looks like he might be some sort of a thing.
11:10I don't know where that's all going, but like, well, in the other second round pick, you
11:15actually didn't make the pick, but he happened to have your brother as his agent.
11:20You pulled the pick, right?
11:21So TJD's agent is Mike Dunleavy's brother.
11:24And so however you work that behind the scenes, you worked it.
11:29And if it's working, then let it work it.
11:31And that's what happened.
11:32Put my thing down, flip it and reverse it.
11:34And that's what he did.
11:35You call your brother and say, Hey, hey bro, uh, we like your player.
11:40Why don't you let it be known that he'll only play for us and he can slide, slide,
11:44slippity slide.
11:45So you do get credit for that.
11:47Sure.
11:48Sure.
11:49I mean, Mike Dunleavy's in the mix.
11:50I don't look at anything that Mike has done since taking over and go, well, that was a
11:57big old whiff.
11:59And that's coming because every GM has those, right?
12:02Like we can sit here and love Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch.
12:05And I think that they do a wonderful job and I can give you a long list of things they've
12:09messed up.
12:10I mean, good Lord, they got Trey Lance for three years worth of draft capital.
12:15So everybody gets whiffs.
12:18What's the thing right now where you would look at Mike Dunleavy and be like, dude, you
12:21really screwed that up.
12:23I don't think you've got anything on him yet.
12:25Not nothing that stands out.
12:27I'm not saying you got to love everything he's done, but there's nothing you can look
12:31at and be like, that was dumb.
12:33Well, the Butler contract is going to be one that you can maybe look at, but I do like
12:38the fact that there was a direction in that move.
12:41So you brought in Jimmy Butler and you gave him two more years at big money and Draymond
12:46Green actually spoke to this on his podcast.
12:49I know we'll have the sound coming up here shortly, but you basically told Draymond and
12:53Steph, you two are here now.
12:56Jimmy's here.
12:57This is the new big three because we all have to call everything a big whatever.
13:02But you three get two and a half years to do what you can do.
13:06And we're going to figure out the rest of it after that.
13:08Yeah, yeah.
13:09I look, it's it's kind of fascinating to think about how quickly the perceptions can
13:16change. You won two basketball games, and now we go from Wednesday to Wednesday of Mike
13:22Dunleavy can't pull off crap.
13:25And the very next Wednesday, there are smart thinking warrior fans who actually think that
13:32this is now a team that could go win a playoff series like that that took one week and two
13:40basketball games.
13:42So and I'm not saying that's rational, but I do think it's a it's a good week for Mike
13:49Dunleavy right now.
13:50Well, yeah, because you won the first two games.
13:52And that can change by next Wednesday.
13:54It can. But but in this moment, I think that he like whether you even love the Jimmy trade
14:01or not. And you know that I didn't.
14:02Yep. You know that I didn't.
14:04You're warming to it.
14:05Well, I even in not liking the trade, I admitted to you right away it better than nothing.
14:12It was better than nothing.
14:14And the accusation that week was had these warriors keep holding on to their mediocre
14:19players and they won't make a big swing.
14:21And meanwhile, the Lakers are out here playing chess, getting Luca.
14:24Well, 24 hours later, he made a big deal.
14:28He made a big deal. And how big is it?
14:30We'll find out.
14:31Well, and his boss, not Joe Laker, but Kirk Laker on with Stiney and Guru earlier today
14:36said basically, yeah, luxury tax, we're doing it and get above the second apron.
14:42He wouldn't commit to that. But when you look at what that number will be, they are going
14:47to be willing to go up into that area.
14:49And when you have Steph making damn near 60 next year and Jimmy's making mid 50s and
14:53Draymond's making high 20s and you want to pay coming mid to high 20s and you've got
14:58your various buddies and all the rest of the guys you want to add, you're going to be
15:02paying a lot of money. But if they're willing to do that, then I'm here for it.
15:06Yeah, we want to go out to the phones.
15:08I do want to I want to answer this text real quick, because it's it's a fair thing that
15:12some people might be thinking.
15:13707 said, are we going to act like letting CP3 go with no return wasn't a bad move?
15:19Look, I've shared my opinion on this.
15:20You do not need to agree with it.
15:23But the CP3 contract, in my opinion, they hoped that there might be something that would
15:31materialize that they could trade it for.
15:34But when the Jordan pool situation was what it was and you can do whatever you want.
15:41We can re-adjudicate that if you want.
15:42It's a whole show there.
15:43Once it was you could do a whole three months of shows.
15:46I think we might have.
15:48Or more. But once that situation was what it was and there were changes made in the
15:55collective bargaining agreement at the same time, the Warriors chose to take that Jordan
16:00pool contract that they had recently signed and they wanted to achieve financial
16:04flexibility, therefore turn it into a contract that was expiring.
16:08And that's what they did. So I'm not saying you can't criticize them for it.
16:13I'm not saying you can't say that, boy, they should have been able to find something for
16:16CP3. But in my opinion, the Warriors were well aware that when they acquired Chris Paul
16:22for Jordan Pool, which is not a like minded deal in the first place, once you do that,
16:30they were well aware that what this may end up being is us just freeing up the money.
16:35Yes. And that's what they did.
16:36And they got under the second apron.
16:37That's right. And so, yes, they didn't get anything for Chris Paul.
16:40But what they got was the word that we all use last year.
16:43It was their buzzword, which was optionality.
16:46And so by getting rid of Chris Paul, even though you got nothing in return, you got
16:51optionality to where this year at the deadline you could add Jimmy Butler and you could
16:55extend Jimmy Butler and know that going into next year, even if you go back into the
17:00second apron, you don't have the repeat penalty of being one of these overspending
17:05teams. And it brings us back to Phoenix, because Phoenix tried to offload a contract
17:10this year to avoid that penalty and they couldn't do it.
17:14So now they go into next year and they're kind of screwed unless you can then find a
17:19way to trade Beal or Durant.
17:22You won't want to trade Booker, but Phoenix is in the spot where the Warriors didn't want
17:26to be.