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Grouping in PMLN??? - Mohammad Zubair's Big Revelations
Kya CM Punjab Maryam Nawaz Kay Ikhtiyar Mein Kuch Nahi? - Mohammad Zubair's Reaction
Who will be the next Chief Election Commissioner? Muhammad Zubair's Analysis
Production Order Dene Walay Se Sawal Hona Chahye - Muhammad Zubair Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:05I am Hassan Ayub from Lahore, Karachi, Haryanvi and Islamabad.
00:09Dear viewers, there is only one topic under discussion in Pakistan these days, and that is negotiations.
00:14Are there going to be negotiations between the government and the opposition or not?
00:19Dear viewers, wherever there is a fight in the world, there are negotiations.
00:23When there is a meeting or a meeting place, it is very important that that place is fixed,
00:29the environment is improved, so that people can trust each other there.
00:34A few days ago, if someone was shooting at each other, someone was fighting with a axe,
00:39so that people can sit with this belief and talk that now the environment is better,
00:44so we have to talk, we have to take matters towards improvement.
00:47We have seen that a big development has taken place.
00:49Senator Ijaz Chowdhury is a prisoner in Lahore, Pakistan.
00:55In the 9th May case, there was a demand for a production order.
00:58Our prisoners, especially Ijaz Chowdhury, were asked to issue a production order.
01:03And the Speaker of the National Assembly and the Chairman of the Senate have the legal power
01:08to summon any member of the Parliament who is having a session.
01:15Chairman of the Senate, Yusuf Reza Ghulani, who is also a former Prime Minister,
01:19is also the Speaker of the National Assembly, so he knows how to act on the law.
01:25So he issued a letter, summoned Ijaz Chowdhury and issued a production order.
01:30Ijaz Chowdhury's order is issued and then the police from Islamabad go to Lahore to bring him.
01:37And the jail officer from Lahore says, sorry, you didn't give us the news from Lahore yesterday.
01:44Later it is found that the Punjab government has refused to give him.
01:50Today a letter came forward, let me show you.
01:53The Superintendent of Lahore Jail, Kot Lakhpat, has written a letter to his own IG, the prisoners.
01:58He said, I have a prisoner, his name is Ijaz Chowdhury, Senator Ijaz Chowdhury.
02:02We have a prisoner in one of the cases, he has been summoned by the Chairman of the Senate.
02:09So you tell me that he is a prisoner, sorry, I have a prisoner, he is a convict,
02:16a trial is going on him, so if you have to make arrangements for his security,
02:20then you guide me, I need an armed personnel carrier, I need an APC and I need security.
02:26So as long as you don't provide, I can't release the prisoner.
02:29Directly he put this on the head of the Punjab government.
02:34Yesterday, Faisal Wada was sitting in the program of Kashif Bajaj.
02:39He also said that the responsibility of the Punjab government is of the Chief Minister of Punjab.
02:44Because it is the collective responsibility of any government.
02:47So whether to release Ijaz Chowdhury or not, it was his responsibility.
02:50Listen to what he said.
02:52If this news has come and this news is correct, that the Superintendent of Police said that I don't believe it.
02:57Superintendent of Jail.
02:58Superintendent of Jail.
02:59Then it is understood that the order is of the Chief Minister of Punjab.
03:02If he is a prisoner of Punjab, then it is understood that the order will be of the Chief Minister of Punjab.
03:08The police are under his authority.
03:10Ladies and gentlemen, today to talk about all these topics, we have invited Muhammad Zubair.
03:16Former Governor Sen.
03:18Former Special Spokesperson of Tahiyyat Qaid Nawaz Sharif.
03:23And his daughter, the current Chief Minister of Punjab.
03:28So we will know from him that who is serious in these negotiations?
03:33Who wants these negotiations to be resumed?
03:37So my first question to you, Mr. Muhammad Zubair, is this.
03:41What is the biggest obstacle to the negotiations?
03:47Because CBMs were necessary for the improvement of the environment.
03:50And the CBMs can only be given by the current government.
03:53The opposition has nothing to give.
03:55So the first question.
03:57Who is serious about the negotiations?
03:59And who wants these negotiations to be successful?
04:02Mr. Muhammad Zubair.
04:05Thank you very much, Khawar, for inviting me.
04:08And all the people, Mr. Hassan Ayyub, Mr. Chaudhary and Mr. Naqvi.
04:13The first thing is that I should complete what Faisal Wada said.
04:19Because I was in that program.
04:21Faisal Wada said, if.
04:23And two or three times, if.
04:24The Chief Minister said.
04:26And I said in his answer, which I want to repeat.
04:28Which is very important.
04:30This is not if.
04:31This must have happened by the will of the Chief Minister.
04:33And I will go ahead with that answer.
04:37Where is the seriousness in these negotiations?
04:42There is a group.
04:44Which is the most influential group in PMLN.
04:48And Hassan Ayyub obviously understands that too.
04:52In that, there is Maryam Nawaz Sare Faris.
04:55Which is called powerful hawks.
04:58Which is not at all serious in talks.
05:00Like Khawaja Asif.
05:02Like Talal Chaudhary.
05:03Like Atta Tarar.
05:05This is the group of the party.
05:07Which has a very strict attitude.
05:10And position.
05:12With regard to PTI.
05:14From their point of view, there is no space for PTI.
05:17Neither now nor ever.
05:19And in their view, if PTI has to do something.
05:22Then it has to be buried for all times to come.
05:25This is absolutely clear.
05:27And therefore, what would Ijaz Chaudhary have done in the Senate?
05:30Obviously, what could he have done?
05:32It's not a big deal. Yasmeen Rashid is coming.
05:34Although he is not a senator.
05:36Still, it becomes a topic.
05:38And there is a lot of attention.
05:40Sharif Admi Ijaz Chaudhary.
05:42What would he have done?
05:43But this message had to be given.
05:45That whatever order comes.
05:47Wherever it comes from.
05:48Whether it comes from the chairman of the Senate.
05:50Or from the court.
05:51We don't have to give that.
05:53And we have to show.
05:54That we will not give any space.
05:56This is what the strategy is.
05:58On the other hand, there is Irfan Siddiqui.
06:00Who thinks that there should be a conversation.
06:02And there should be some way out.
06:04Absolutely right.
06:06Mohammad Zubair Sahib.
06:08Now the question arises here.
06:10Viewers who are thinking.
06:12You must have seen and heard.
06:14That the state has the real power.
06:16Viewers, what is the definition of the state?
06:18Pakistan's Article 7.
06:20What does it say?
06:22What is the state?
06:24The state.
06:26The state.
06:28The state.
06:30The state.
06:32The state.
06:34The state.
06:36The state.
06:38The state.
06:40The state.
06:42The state.
06:44The state.
06:46The state.
06:48The state.
06:50The state.
06:52The state.
06:54Viewers, I would like to show you a simple example.
06:56That they will use that power.
06:58As a sacred duty.
07:00This is in front of you.
07:02Wherein the state shall exercise its power and authority.
07:06Through the chosen representatives of the people.
07:10Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice.
07:14As enunciated by Islam.
07:16Shall be fully observed.
07:18So, Chaudhry Guram Sain.
07:20Before coming to you.
07:22I would like to ask a question to Mr. Zubair.
07:24Mr. Zubair.
07:26It is often said that the state has to use its power.
07:28What does Marjum Sahiba have?
07:30Since she has come.
07:32The whole team in Punjab.
07:34They are running the old I.G.
07:36Of course, they were running during the interim government.
07:38They are the chief secretaries.
07:40DCs.
07:42Most of them are the same people.
07:44They have nothing.
07:46You are saying that they really have something.
07:48As the leader of the Punjab Assembly.
07:50You are the house.
07:52They should have used their power.
07:54Mr. Zubair.
07:56Do they have power?
07:58They should have used their power.
08:00They should have used their power.
08:02They are also powerful.
08:04I am not saying that they are the final decision makers in everything.
08:06When we are talking.
08:08It is obvious.
08:10Our establishment also has a role in politics.
08:12In some things.
08:14Especially in loyalty.
08:16There are a lot of things.
08:18Foreign policy.
08:20Security.
08:22In K.P.
08:24There are key decision makers of the establishment.
08:26But apart from that.
08:28There are also in politics.
08:30But Marjum Nawaz.
08:32If it was any other country.
08:34They would have resigned.
08:36Chairman of the Senate.
08:38Or the Chief Minister.
08:40But it is obvious.
08:42When you have to give a message.
08:44It is obvious.
08:46These are not chosen representatives.
08:48The biggest problem starts from there.
08:50Chosen representatives.
08:52Of the people of Pakistan.
08:54This is the starting point.
08:56The politics of Pakistan.
08:58Or the democracy of Pakistan.
09:00Is the starting point.
09:02That the government will do what the chosen representatives do.
09:04These are not chosen representatives.
09:06It is obvious.
09:08There is no expectation.
09:10There is an argument going on.
09:12When you spoke to the law minister.
09:14The law minister told the parliament.
09:16Why we could not give you permission.
09:18When we spoke about Mr. Chaudhary.
09:20He spoke about the protection order.
09:22You issued the protection order.
09:24It is the duty of the authorities.
09:26That the protection order should be followed.
09:28When we spoke about the protection order.
09:30I would like to say.
09:32You did a good job.
09:34You issued the order.
09:36The implementation of the order.
09:38Was not done.
09:40There are many reasons.
09:42I would like to request.
09:44That the opposition.
09:46In the business advisory.
09:48As it was said.
09:50And they agreed on that.
09:52Mr. Dar is present.
09:54The next meeting is tomorrow.
09:56Or the day after tomorrow.
09:58The discussion committee.
10:00Should take up this matter.
10:02Other issues are also being discussed.
10:04There will be a better solution.
10:06Dear viewers.
10:08Mr. Yusuf Raza Gilani.
10:10In his letter.
10:12He gave a reference.
10:14As a representative of the federation.
10:16As a chairman of the senate.
10:18This is my right.
10:20I am using my right.
10:22I am issuing this order.
10:24When the president leaves the country.
10:26He is the acting president.
10:28He is a representative of the federation.
10:30Maybe he can call for contempt.
10:32Let's see what he does.
10:34Mr. Chaudhary.
10:36You sent Mr. Chaudhary to Islamabad.
10:38You could have sent him.
10:40You could have requested in Lahore.
10:42That he is a noble man.
10:44He could have come.
10:46What was the problem?
10:48What was the problem?
10:50This is a mindset.
10:52This is a mindset.
10:54This is a mindset.
10:56This is a mindset.
10:58This is a mindset.
11:00This is a mindset.
11:02This is a mindset.
11:04He wants to bury them politically.
11:08And that.
11:10And that.
11:12One has a great thinking.
11:14One has a great thinking.
11:16And some are idiotic.
11:20He has a great thinking.
11:22He has a great thinking.
11:24Third,
11:26Mr. Zubair.
11:28Thanks to God.
11:30Thanks to God.
11:32They buried him politically till the evening of 8th February.
11:36Now how can they make a program to bury someone?
11:40You keep watching what will happen to them.
11:42People of Pakistan are not going to spare anyone.
11:46You tell me a larger picture.
11:49If Khawar Govind Sahab's program allows,
11:54that in the next one day, two days, four days, a month, two months, six months,
11:59the country is moving in this direction.
12:01Will there be political stability here?
12:04Will there be economic development?
12:06Or will these people who keep killing people,
12:09and in the end, you have to talk to everyone,
12:13what will become of it?
12:16I am waiting for your detailed reply,
12:19Mohammad Zubair Sahab. Uninterrupted.
12:22Okay, Mr. Zubair, I will come to you.
12:24I will also include other colleagues.
12:25Then if they have any questions, I will take them one after the other.
12:28Hassan Ayub, if Senator Ijaz had come, the atmosphere would have been better.
12:31He will come. He will come.
12:33What is the hurry? He will come.
12:36He will have to wash it.
12:37No, he will have to wash it.
12:38Basically, everything will be given by begging.
12:42No.
12:43Yes, yes.
12:44It is not fun to beg.
12:45He will tell that we are doing a favor on you.
12:47K2 is such a big favor.
12:48Who will do a favor on whom?
12:49The government will do a favor on PTI.
12:52Yes, absolutely.
12:53Basically, the production orders were issued.
12:56Then the Punjab government also has a role.
12:58Okay, you have invited them to the Senate, Parliament, National Assembly.
13:02So now you invite the Punjab government too.
13:04Work hard for the Punjab government.
13:06If they go there and ask for a kind of alms,
13:10then they will allow you in the same way.
13:13The federation can tell the governor.
13:15What is the role of the governor?
13:17No, the federation has a representative.
13:18The representative is there.
13:19The President of Pakistan tells the governor to go and work hard.
13:21That is the responsibility of the Punjab government.
13:22Whether he wants to send or not,
13:25he is a prisoner now.
13:26He has been accused of no-make.
13:29He has been attacked by the state of Pakistan.
13:31He is not an ordinary criminal.
13:33He is a criminal of insidious terrorism.
13:35He is guilty of innocent Donald.
13:36Yes, he is the government.
13:37In the eyes of the government, he is a criminal.
13:39The case was made by the government.
13:40So he is taking him as a criminal.
13:42And he says that yes, he is a criminal,
13:43who was elected as a parliamentarian in the past.
13:45Can he be elected again or not?
13:47These are a lot of questions.
13:48But anyway, if I talk about the production order,
13:52Ali Wazir's production order was neither issued by Imran Khan,
13:57nor was it issued by the PDM government.
13:59So there is a lot of helplessness.
14:01That tradition has to be maintained.
14:02Where there is helplessness, there was helplessness.
14:04But there is no helplessness here.
14:06If you want to produce Raj Chaudhary,
14:08then you can get it done.
14:10Nagvi sir, this has been a very good tradition of the Pakistan People's Party.
14:13They always improved the environment.
14:15They did not put any restrictions on such production orders.
14:20I gave one example.
14:21But there are many other good examples.
14:23In Lahore, Hamza Shahbaz,
14:25despite the opposition of the party,
14:28the then Chief Minister,
14:30sorry, the Speaker of the Punjab Assembly,
14:34used to order,
14:35whose name was Chaudhary Parvez Alaiya.
14:37He used to go and take care of his house.
14:39So with the arrival of Ijaz Chaudhary,
14:40don't you think that the environment would have improved?
14:42I am not saying this for no reason.
14:44I am not saying this for no reason.
14:45I am not saying this for no reason.
14:47No sir, I am talking about the Punjab Assembly.
14:51No, no.
14:52Yes, sir.
14:53Yes, Nagvi sir.
15:16Yes, sir.
15:41Yes, sir.
15:46Yes, sir.
16:17Nagvi sir raised a question.
16:19We in the media are the watchdogs.
16:22We comment on whatever we see.
16:26We express our opinion.
16:28This is our right.
16:30And we are using our right.
16:33The question that Chaudhary Ghulam Sahib,
16:36Mohammad Zubair Sahib asked you,
16:38is that in the coming days,
16:40the environment that has been created,
16:42there are a lot of experiences in the past,
16:46against each other.
16:48If we want to move forward,
16:49how will we move forward, Mohammad Zubair Sahib?
16:53Okay, Mr. Zubair,
16:54I will talk to you after the break.
16:58Welcome back.
16:59Mr. Mohammad Zubair,
17:00there was a question in front of you,
17:01a comment was made on it.
17:02Mr. Zubair.
17:03First of all,
17:04what Hassan Ayub said,
17:05I appreciate that he spoke the truth.
17:08And now there are a lot of people
17:10who speak the truth.
17:11But they don't speak the truth
17:12on the basis of right and wrong.
17:14They don't speak the truth
17:15on the basis of legal and illegal.
17:18They don't speak the truth
17:19on the basis of what the constitution says.
17:21They speak the truth
17:22on the basis of force and force.
17:24That we didn't want to leave Jadh Chaudhary.
17:27The constitution says
17:28that the chief minister has no right to speak in the constitution.
17:31Once the production order is issued,
17:33it is not written anywhere
17:34that the chief minister will decide
17:35what to do with him.
17:37And what is said in the constitution,
17:38then you should ask the one
17:39who issued the production order
17:41that why did you do it.
17:43So, the thing is,
17:44if we are talking about right and wrong,
17:46then I can sit here and talk.
17:48But I can't give an answer to this.
17:51If an anchor sits and says,
17:53look, this is how it will work.
17:55If this is how it will work,
17:56then nothing can be said.
17:58We are talking about
17:59what is your right,
18:01what does the law say,
18:02and all these things.
18:04As far as the matter is concerned,
18:05I don't know if Mr. Naqvi is available or not.
18:07He is available.
18:09He has fought for the election of the council.
18:11Shahzaib Khan Satan has fought for the election of the council.
18:14Talat Hussain has fought.
18:16Salim Safi has fought.
18:19Asma Shirazi has fought.
18:21Everyone sits and talks.
18:22Everyone gives their opinions.
18:24Everyone does interpretation.
18:25Everyone bows down to one party.
18:28No one raises a question about them
18:30that how can you sit in this position?
18:33Yes, yes…
18:34The second thing is that
18:35But the thing is that I don't come in favor of anyone.
18:38I don't care if Akhawar Ghumman is sitting here and asking me if I ever said anything to Akhawar Ghumman or Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain or Hassan Ayub.
18:45I have a relationship with him but I have never said anything to him.
18:47Sir, you have never said anything to him?
18:50I admit that I have a very strong relationship with Mohammad Zubair.
18:54But never did he ask me to come on your show or talk to Akhawar Ghumman.
19:00Never. Never. Never.
19:02Look, one thing is very clear.
19:04If you had come, we would have come.
19:06Mohammad Zubair sahib, look, we have studied a little bit in and out of the country.
19:11When a person offers himself for public service, he is in any position.
19:16He becomes a government employee. He is in the 7th, 11th, 15th, 16th grade.
19:22He is a governor. He is a chief minister. He is an M.N.A. He is an M.P.A.
19:26So, it is our right to talk to him, to ask him, to learn from his experience, to get his opinion.
19:32It is his right. He has the right to give his opinion on any issue, to say what is wrong or right.
19:37So, let's be fair to him.
19:39And, Akhawar, the second thing is that, look,
19:41Mr. Naqvi is a very powerful man.
19:44He can even amend a law that the person who did not fight the election of the consular has to come on TV.
19:48It is not enough for him.
19:49Like, he is putting so much pressure on social media and electronic media.
19:52Put pressure on him as well.
19:53That the person who did not fight the election of the consular has to come on TV.
19:55But, he will lose a lot of friends as well.
19:57Mr. Subhash, Mr. Chaudhary has asked a question.
19:59Mr. Naqvi, I am coming to you.
20:01Mr. Chaudhary has asked a question.
20:03We have a lot of baggage of political warfare.
20:07Wrong things have been done from all sides.
20:09It is part of the racket.
20:11We have to move forward.
20:12Absolutely.
20:13So, to move forward, what will happen? What will we do?
20:15How will the environment improve?
20:17Mr. Chaudhary has asked this question.
20:19Look, the first thing is that I say this to my friends of PTI as well.
20:24And I have been saying this for the past two years.
20:27If PTI is thinking that this government will be overthrown, then it is not going to happen.
20:34As long as it stands on its own feet, not on its own feet, it will stand in support of the government.
20:42As long as the establishment is with them and is fully with them.
20:46And there is no such thing that the establishment will withdraw its support.
20:50The Q League ruled from 2002 to 2007.
20:55Despite the fact that the People's Party and PMLN were the strongest political parties.
21:00There is no doubt about this.
21:02It was done because General Musharraf and the establishment were with the Q League.
21:05So, there comes a time in Pakistan when you can weaken.
21:09I am giving a general assessment.
21:11It is possible that something else will happen in the next four months.
21:14International pressure will come.
21:16What will come from America?
21:17Those things are different now.
21:18But for now, it will go on like this.
21:20Which means that there will be political instability.
21:23And intensity will increase in it.
21:25And if there is political instability, then economic stability will not come.
21:30Political stability cannot come.
21:32It comes in a country where there is political stability.
21:35In every country, of course, there are fights between the opposition and the government.
21:39There are fights in the parliament.
21:41There is abuse. Everything happens.
21:43But the majority of the Pakistanis do not question its credibility and mandate.
21:49That is, is its mandate correct?
21:51And I am saying this, Khawar, that this is not a matter of blaming each other.
21:55There is a law of Pakistan.
21:56According to the law of Pakistan, in six months, tribunals have to make decisions regarding the election.
22:02It has been about 11 months now.
22:04Has there been a single decision?
22:06Are we moving forward in that?
22:08No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
22:38The way we talk about investment, and let me tell you that the stability that we are talking about, we have come to this situation about 20 times.
22:51Because we have gone to the IMF 25 times, and after a year or a year and a half, we are still standing here.
22:57Because our default challenge is over.
23:01But that doesn't mean that the people have started to benefit.
23:06And there is one example of that, I will tell it to Hassan Ayub, there are two examples.
23:11The report that has just been released by the World Bank, according to that, 1.3 crore people,
23:16in 2024, which was a great year, according to the government, 1.3 crore people have gone below the poverty line.
23:24Unemployment has increased significantly, and that is due to a very simple reason.
23:29If you take the average growth rate of the last three years, which is 1.8%, which was never such a bad average after 1951,
23:37there can be no growth in it, and there can be no unemployment generation in it.
23:42In that, people will go below the poverty line.
23:45There have been more problems for the middle class.
23:47So, there will be no stability.
23:49This is how it will go.
23:50The push has been going on for the past year and a half.
23:53Mr. Zubair, yesterday, the most important minister of the government, Mr. Rana,
23:59he is saying that we are asking for what we can give.
24:04He is saying that we are asking for what we can't give.
24:07How can we give what we can't give?
24:09The people who are talking to us, they should talk to us according to our capacity.
24:16They should move the matter forward.
24:19The commission is within your reach.
24:22The commission is outside your reach.
24:24Don't take it to the deadlock.
24:26They should move the matter forward in a better way.
24:31In this way, the situation will improve.
24:35Get out of those thoughts.
24:37Those who think that if we do this, we will do that.
24:41This is not going to happen.
24:44Mr. Naqvi, did you understand what Mr. Rana is saying?
24:50We have to give what we can.
24:55Where did you get the money to play?
24:59Mr. Naqvi.
25:00Your voice was cut a little.
25:02First, I was talking about Mr. Zubair.
25:04I was talking about myself.
25:06I was talking about myself.
25:08I was not talking about him at all.
25:12He has made a big contribution to Pakistan.
25:14This is one thing.
25:15The second thing that you said about the negotiations.
25:18It is said again and again that the establishment has overpowered everywhere.
25:22Let's take a look at this.
25:24Give me a minute.
25:25A government came in 2008.
25:27It lasted till 2013.
25:28A government came in 2013.
25:29It lasted till 2018.
25:31Then a government came in 2018.
25:33It ended in 2022.
25:35The thing is that the government that came in 2018,
25:37what did it bring back with it?
25:39Who were the people who stood up and gave big statements in favor of the establishment?
25:43Who were the people who said that the army, the army, the establishment,
25:47are so important for this country.
25:49Before that, look at the statements of the Prime Minister.
25:51And look at the statements of the Prime Minister after 2018.
25:54So the establishment has been imposed on us by the government of 2018.
25:58We were slowly coming out of it.
26:00Now when you are over, your government is over,
26:03then you say that the establishment is very bad.
26:06You have imposed this establishment on us.
26:09We are suffering what you have imposed on us.
26:12Mr. Zubair, do you agree?
26:14Yes, absolutely.
26:16Mr. Naqvi is right.
26:18But Mr. Naqvi, this question,
26:20if there was a PTI representative,
26:22say Fawad Chaudhry or whoever is on the media these days,
26:27Shibli Faraz, I totally agree with them.
26:30But in the service of Mr. Naqvi,
26:32and Hassan Ayub will agree with me,
26:35I used to say even then,
26:37I am among those few people,
26:39so I can speak very openly.
26:41I was talking about the role of the establishment in 2018,
26:44and I am talking about the same in 2024.
26:47And it should be done like this.
26:49When Hassan Ayub gave the answer to a question earlier,
26:52I was saying even then that
26:54we should talk on the basis of right and wrong.
26:57If it was wrong earlier,
26:59and Mr. Naqvi is right,
27:01then why have we forced you now?
27:04If Shibaz Sharif is the Prime Minister,
27:06then he should make a decision.
27:08Is he making a decision? No, he is not.
27:10The answer given by Mr. Rana,
27:12is absolutely correct,
27:13because Mr. Rana speaks the truth many times.
27:15Should he ask us for what we can give?
27:17It means that we cannot give anything.
27:19The big demands of PTI,
27:21they do not have the means to give anything.
27:24I had said this earlier,
27:26that PTI was in the mistake that
27:30we can go directly to Pindi.
27:32The road to Pindi goes through Islamabad.
27:34Now they have understood this,
27:36so they are sitting in Islamabad and talking.
27:38And from there their demands will go to Pindi.
27:41And what will happen and what will not happen,
27:43I do not know.
27:44Hassan is going to ask a question.
27:46Mr. Zubair, you talk very fairly,
27:50and sometimes I am forced to say this,
27:54that very few people talk so fairly,
27:58on television and in the political arena.
28:02But all the facts are being told the truth.
28:06So, do you agree with the fact that
28:09all the space that was taken by the civilian side,
28:16was encroached by Imran Khan?
28:20And today, if the civilian supremacy,
28:24or the civilian power has decreased,
28:26then Imran Khan is the only responsible for this.
28:32Tell me without beating around the bush.
28:35Mr. Zubair, you go and take the rope,
28:39and Imran Khan is being hanged.
28:41Yes, Mr. Chaudhary, he is answering.
28:44And what answer do you want to give?
28:47What discussion do you want to have?
28:49I don't understand this.
28:50Absolutely, Hassan Ayub.
28:51I agree with you 100%.
28:53The way the PTI government came in 2018,
28:58the establishment of that time,
29:00supported it a lot,
29:02and supported it a lot for 3 years out of 3.5 years,
29:06which Imran Khan should not have taken.
29:10First of all, I am very clear about this.
29:13This is what he is saying.
29:14But I blame Shibaz Sharif or Nawaz Sharif more,
29:20because they were fighting for the civilian supremacy of war.
29:25What war were we fighting for?
29:28Civilian supremacy war.
29:30Were we fighting for the power game in the government?
29:33No.
29:34We were never told that we were fighting for power.
29:36We were told that finally,
29:38after 50 years,
29:40there will be a movement that will usher in civilian supremacy.
29:44And when the vote of no confidence came,
29:46you rolled back everything.
29:48So, the thing is,
29:50Imran Khan blamed him at that time.
29:53But who is he now?
29:55And since 2022, who is he?
29:57Which part of the constitution
29:59did the establishment say,
30:01and they changed it?
30:02Tell me one thing.
30:03Earlier, they used to say that Faiz Ameed will be appointed.
30:06Then the danger was that the constitution would be ruined.
30:08Is there anything left in the constitution?
30:10Is there anything left in the constitution from 2022?
30:13There is a lot left, sir.
30:14There is a lot left.
30:15There is a lot left.
30:16Now the constitutional court has come.
30:17Mashallah.
30:18Okay, Mr. Ghulam Shah.
30:19Now this matter,
30:21Mr. Irfan Siddiqui also said that,
30:23let me listen to his statement first.
30:25We should try to
30:27while moving the negotiations forward,
30:30for a while,
30:31we should sit on the sessions of PTI,
30:34mentally,
30:35and realize their condition.
30:37And for a while,
30:39they should sit on our sessions,
30:41spiritually,
30:43mentally,
30:44and our helplessness,
30:46or our,
30:47because they have also been in power,
30:49we should understand each other's difficulties,
30:52each other's limitations,
30:54and each other's emotions,
30:57then the matter will move forward.
30:59So, Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam,
31:01Mr. Rana Sanawla,
31:03Mr. Siddiqui,
31:04they are clearly saying that,
31:07that brother,
31:08we should ask for what we can give you.
31:10I am saying that,
31:12on the basis of right and wrong,
31:14if you make a decision,
31:16then there will never be any shame,
31:18neither here nor in the future.
31:20So, when you,
31:22directly,
31:24and you are saying that,
31:26if they beg,
31:28then we will give them permission.
31:30Yesterday, Nawaz Shahbaz,
31:32Shahbaz Shahbaz,
31:33Chaudhary Shahbaz,
31:34Benzine Shahbaz,
31:36they were asked to issue a production order.
31:39Leave it,
31:40what kind of talks are you talking about?
31:42What kind of world are you living in?
31:44You have lost.
31:45Now, come to the demands.
31:47I am saying,
31:48this committee or no committee,
31:50these demands are going to be accepted.
31:52These demands are going to be accepted.
31:54It is a matter of time only.
31:57Just wait.
31:58Give as many punishments as you want.
32:00Do whatever you want.
32:01But their time is up.
32:03Viewers, let's go to the break.
32:05Before going to the break,
32:06we will talk after the break.
32:08The Chief Election Commissioner
32:10is completing his time on 26th January.
32:14Welcome back viewers.
32:15Leader of the Opposition,
32:16Umar Ayub Khan has written a letter
32:18to the Speaker.
32:19He has given a reference to the bill.
32:21He has said that,
32:22since the time is up on 26th January,
32:25the current Chief Election Commissioner
32:28is appointed through consultation
32:30between the Leader of the Opposition
32:31and the Leader of the House.
32:33It is a method,
32:34where there is no consultation
32:35and parliamentary committees are formed.
32:36Otherwise,
32:37the matter goes to the Supreme Court.
32:39So, Mr. Muhammad Zubair,
32:41this is a very important opportunity.
32:43Obviously,
32:44one of the major demands
32:45from Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab
32:47or from the Opposition parties
32:49is that the Chief Election Commissioner
32:51should be appointed by Pakistan
32:53and no one should raise a finger on it.
32:55So, this is an opportunity.
32:57According to them,
32:59it is a golden opportunity for politicians.
33:02Do you think our politicians
33:05will take advantage of this
33:06or it will be the same
33:07that if I want to take my revenge,
33:08I will have to take my revenge.
33:09Mr. Muhammad Zubair.
33:11Look, Khawar,
33:14what can be more unfortunate
33:16than this with the people of this country.
33:18At the same time,
33:19our country is India.
33:20We abuse India a lot
33:22that it is so bad, so bad.
33:24We have been having elections for 70 years.
33:26Almost none are controversial.
33:29Is our political class
33:31which is going to decide now,
33:33if even a little bit,
33:35what should we say,
33:37it is not good to use the word,
33:39it is a shame.
33:40So, why can't we decide
33:41to appoint a man of integrity,
33:43to appoint a person
33:45who will commit
33:47that I will have such an election,
33:49whether it is PTI, PMLN or PVP,
33:51I commit that they will accept the election.
33:53And if they take the present Chief Election Commissioner,
33:57then I think
33:58no one can be more cruel to this country.
34:01Isn't there 3-4 names in our country
34:03who are of integrity,
34:05who would like to take this challenge?
34:07Farah Gogi,
34:09Usman Buzdar,
34:11Hassan Ayub,
34:13can you appoint him as the Chief Election Commissioner?
34:15Yesterday it was also mentioned
34:17that his horses,
34:19he wears a kanto,
34:21they keep running on the same side.
34:23So, obviously,
34:25it is a very serious issue.
34:27I would like to give a suggestion to Hassan Ayub,
34:29this is also related to PTI.
34:31You all talk about the solution,
34:33that what should happen,
34:35how to take the country forward.
34:37I have a very good solution, Hassan.
34:39See, the thing is that in 2006,
34:41the Charter of Democracy was signed,
34:43at that time there were two major political parties,
34:45PMLN and PVP.
34:47I suggest that
34:49exactly with the full stop comma,
34:51the same Charter of Democracy,
34:53the same terms and conditions,
34:55you bring it,
34:57from both parties, I will get it signed by PTI.
34:59And that will establish
35:01usher in a new era of democracy in Pakistan.
35:03Is there any problem in this?
35:05Mr. Mohammad Zubair,
35:07thank you very much for your time.
35:09Mr. Mohammad Zubair is going to
35:11the same Charter of Democracy,
35:13which was signed in 2006
35:15between our respected Tahiyyat Qaid
35:17and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
35:19Bring the same document,
35:21I will request and ensure you
35:23that I will get you signed by PTI.
35:25We have reached a point
35:27where we have to take the first step.
35:29And it is necessary to take the first step
35:31so that the leaders of the people
35:33come to Pakistan
35:35and decide for the betterment of the people of Pakistan.
35:37See you again tomorrow.
35:39Allah Hafiz.