" System Nahi Riyasat Ka Masla Ban Gaya Hai, Awam Pareshan Hain. ." Rauf Hassan Ki Guftagu
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00:00What part do you disagree with?
00:30I disagree with a lot of things.
00:33You have hinted that maybe PTI doesn't want to protest.
00:40Khan sir will give instructions and there will be a protest.
00:45You know that Ali Amin Gandapur sir went to meet him today.
00:48And he was not allowed to meet him.
00:51And he went in the same way that final instructions should go for Khan sir.
00:54Because this is the method of civil disobedience in that system.
00:57So he was not allowed to meet him.
00:58Zartaj Gul sir said that he went to meet him last Thursday.
01:03Civil disobedience.
01:06I don't think so.
01:09Yes, it is possible.
01:12Depending on the situation that you mentioned in the beginning.
01:17If the protests start, then maybe PTI will be banned.
01:22How long have you been trying to stop the protests?
01:25We are trying.
01:26We are trying to stop the protests.
01:28The way you have shot the footage, it was their wish.
01:31Now if they are saying that they are reluctant,
01:35in fact they have become arrogant.
01:37After the victory, if you think you have conquered.
01:40I want to make one thing clear.
01:42See, the protests at the end of the day will only happen with those who have the power.
01:46Because they have the power, they don't have their own.
01:49So this is their crisis right now.
01:51This is their crisis.
01:53This is not the ultimate source with whom they have to talk.
01:57Khawaja has said this, I will tell you.
02:00Listen to what Khawaja Asif has said.
02:02This is your close conversation.
02:05Can we negotiate on behalf of the establishment?
02:09If there is a decision to negotiate,
02:12then definitely until all the parties are behind this decision,
02:17there can be no negotiation.
02:19He agrees with you.
02:21I have been saying this for the past 6-7 days,
02:25that ultimately their role is of a conduit.
02:30They are connecting us to them.
02:33To create an atmosphere.
02:35To create an atmosphere and to provide a platform.
02:37What can you give each other on the table of negotiation?
02:40I have accepted that if something happens outside,
02:43then only the system will change.
02:45The biggest crisis of this country is the political instability.
02:50And consequent economic instability,
02:53which is not being solved.
02:55Even today, as you and I talk,
02:57the economic issues are getting more grave.
03:00So the biggest thing we can give them is that
03:03by negotiating with us,
03:05there can be political stability and economic stability.
03:09Because the country has to conclude.
03:12What are the things that I counted?
03:15If you are ready to accept one condition,
03:18then what will be your condition?
03:20Get Imran Khan out.
03:22Our biggest request is to get all the political prisoners out.
03:26If Imran Khan comes out, then everyone will come out.
03:29As I said, if Imran Khan comes out,
03:31then all your other conditions will be fulfilled.
03:34But does the government have the option to get him out?
03:37Because there will be so much instability.
03:38And we are discussing this.
03:40Let this be a political dialogue.
03:42Your voters must also want to understand
03:44what is the benefit and what is the loss of this.
03:47Do you think that if Imran Khan comes out,
03:49the government will be able to run?
03:51Unless Imran Khan wants it to run.
03:53The government is not running even now.
03:55But it has not fallen.
03:57It will fall.
03:59Time is time.
04:01If we spend a little more time, it will fall.
04:03It cannot run.
04:05I am personally privy to so much that is happening around.
04:08It is not moving forward.
04:10The World Bank has not given the $500 billion loan.
04:13Why didn't they give it?
04:15They cancelled it.
04:17Why did they cancel it?
04:19Has it ever happened in the history of Pakistan?
04:21For the first time.
04:23An international institution withdrew it after making an announcement.
04:26This cannot be a bigger example of your lack of credibility.
04:29But you are the one who is saying that all this should start happening.
04:33The IMF should step back.
04:35The World Bank should step back.
04:36The government should be able to run.
04:38If that happens, well and good.
04:40If it doesn't happen, let's say you agree to all these things.
04:44You agree to whatever they say.
04:46Then the system will run.
04:48Whether it runs for 4 months, 8 months, 1 year, 1.5 years.
04:50Whatever the case is.
04:52What I am saying is, when you say negotiations,
04:54you have nothing to give and they have nothing to give you.
04:57They cannot give Imran Khan's opinion.
04:59You cannot give this government more time.
05:01You can take 3 years or 2 years.
05:03No matter what your government does.
05:04We will not give up our government.
05:06Short of this, can we talk about something else?
05:08Look, if we win elections,
05:11if we win a genuine election,
05:13we will work with them, we will support them.
05:15We will cooperate with them.
05:17Look, or we can do this.
05:19Kashif, we had a great conversation today.
05:21Let's put it this way.
05:23Let's see.
05:25Let's see.
05:27Let's stand up and say that we don't believe in the law.
05:29We don't believe in the law.
05:31Let's talk about this.
05:32Let's talk about this.
05:34Did you get the elections done?
05:36No, we didn't do anything.
05:38Did you break the constitution?
05:40No, we broke the constitution many times.
05:42Your people tried to go back to the assembly.
05:44They said, we won't take it.
05:46A lot has happened.
05:48Before the election, what didn't we do?
05:50What didn't we do on the day of the election?
05:52After that, what didn't we do?
05:54Prime Minister, please come.
05:56Address to the nation.
05:58We will not bring the constitution and law in this country.
06:00Do whatever you want to do.