"Do aise shakhs hain jo dono hi apni jaga se hatne ke liye tayyar nahi," Muhammad Malick
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00:00Yesterday, we saw a meeting of the core committee of Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
00:03There was an exchange of a few words.
00:06Those people of the party who thought that this tweet should be deleted,
00:10were not found in the majority, they were found in the minority.
00:13And anyway, it was decided in the entire meeting of that party that this tweet will not be deleted.
00:18After a while, an announcement of Tehreek-e-Insaaf was made.
00:21In that announcement, it was said that a social media post against Bani Chairman PTI,
00:25the investigation of the FIA, and on this basis,
00:28any possibility of a new case, the Indiraj, is denied.
00:33To save Pakistan from the serious internal challenges of 1971,
00:37to learn from history and to inform the people of the facts,
00:40there was also a demand to immediately bring the Hamood-ur-Rehman Commission report to the public.
00:46The peace of East Pakistan is the most significant achievement of our national history,
00:50whose means and instigations are political in every respect.
00:53The Hamood-ur-Rehman Commission, appointed by the Government of Pakistan,
00:56has also discussed these issues in detail in its report.
01:00So, this comes in front of the media tomorrow,
01:03Mr. Chaudhary's statement comes in front of the media today,
01:05but during this time, the FIA is doing its job very well and very quickly.
01:10And they have given three notices.
01:12The first notice they have sent to Mr. Gauhar Ayub,
01:16the second notice to Mr. Rauf Hassan,
01:19and the third notice to Barrister Gauhar Khan.
01:22All these have been requested on Tuesday,
01:24and they will be presented there in relation to this case,
01:27and investigations will be carried out.
01:30Mr. Arif Alvi had a very deep speech today,
01:35in which he also said that,
01:37sit down, talk, bring the stakeholders,
01:39not the peacocks, but the stakeholders themselves sit at the table.
01:42Only then will we have to move forward.
01:43Let's go ahead.
01:46The first solution is that there is no solution
01:49until you bring the stakeholders to the table.
01:52Stakeholders, not the peacocks, not the peacocks, not the puppets,
01:56but the stakeholders.
01:57And right now, there are two biggest stakeholders.
01:59One is Imran Khan, because he has been mandated by the people.
02:02This Form 47 is not a mandate.
02:04But even if some people give him a mandate,
02:07that whatever you do, we will also stand on it,
02:10then he can also talk.
02:11But if the stakeholders are not on the table,
02:13then the decision will not be made.
02:16After Mr. Arif Alvi's statement,
02:18and after the announcement of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf,
02:20it is clear that Tariq-e-Insaaf is standing on the Twitter account.
02:24It is defending its content.
02:29Where will this case go from here?
02:31The FIA case has been closed,
02:32the notices have been received.
02:33Three more party members have been served notices today,
02:36which will be presented to them on Tuesday in front of the FIA.
02:39We have with us Mr. Mohammad Malik,
02:41a senior journalist,
02:42and Mr. Kamran Yusuf, a senior journalist.
02:44Thank you both very much.
02:46Mr. Malik is heading towards a head-on collision,
02:49but during this time, the new case that the FIA has made,
02:51Tariq-e-Insaaf is not retreating.
02:53They are saying that they are also standing with its content,
02:55and the tweet that was demanded from them,
02:58even if it is deleted, it will not be deleted.
03:01Can this case be problematic?
03:03Or can this be a serious incident?
03:06Can this be a serious incident?
03:07Or is it just like the cases that have been made in the past,
03:09and their logical consequences,
03:11that they reach this country without a trace?
03:13Will this be a similar case?
03:16No, this is an all-out confrontation.
03:18Look, Tariq-e-Insaaf has tried to distance themselves to the extent of Imran Khan,
03:24which they did not know,
03:25they are not managing it, it has happened.
03:27But they have not deleted it,
03:29and now they are on-up the rest.
03:31So they want to make a difference of 19-20,
03:33and want to take its total impact.
03:35The matter is very simple.
03:37People have been talking about this in the past,
03:40about this commission report, everything.
03:43For the first time, it has happened that
03:45there are two people who are not ready to move from their place.
03:48Imran Khan is also sitting all-in in his place,
03:51he is on an all-out confrontation.
03:53The decision of the top leadership of the established summit is that
03:55we will not talk.
03:57This is now a very volatile mix.
04:00And now this whole thing went on.
04:03More than this video,
04:05the issue was that along with this,
04:07there was also a long tweet of Imran Khan.
04:09At the end of this, he also wrote that
04:11General Yahya,
04:13because of him, the army became so powerful
04:15that the army had to be removed.
04:17Which is now being called on the other side,
04:19that they are inviting mutiny, they are doing everything.
04:21I think now Imran Khan has also reached this conclusion,
04:25that in the current system,
04:27he is not able to see his place.
04:29And he is also seeing that
04:31no one is ready to talk to him from the establishment.
04:33So I think he has thought that
04:35then it is okay,
04:37then go to an all-out confrontation,
04:39call the maximum bluff,
04:41and force the establishment to play their maximum hand.
04:44And if there is any ultimate destruction of the system,
04:47then the new order that will come out of the complete disorder,
04:50maybe they have a chance.
04:52So I think there will be an extreme position.
04:56And now we see only one relief in this,
04:59that if the situation is going to stop from an extreme situation,
05:03then the confrontation of the judiciary should be less with the establishment.
05:07Because the lines have been divided very clearly,
05:10Judiciary versus Executive and Establishment.
05:13And you have seen that even those who are so cautious,
05:16the Prime Minister,
05:18the statement he made the day before yesterday,
05:20the one with the black sheep and everything,
05:22he is not in such a mood.
05:25It was a deliberately made statement.
05:29But the Attorney General immediately retracted it.
05:32He got scared when the court went back.
05:34This seems to be a joke.
05:36He is saying that there are daily consultations,
05:40how to give relief.
05:42There are black sheep.
05:43He does not say that there were.
05:45So the daily consultations are not being done by the judges.
05:47And there I also found Mr. Manila's retort to be a joke,
05:51when he said, no, no, we are black bumblebees.
05:54There is no conversation between the judge of the Supreme Court and the Prime Minister.
05:58It is a direct allegation to give a statement of the Chief Executive.
06:01And it is necessary for him to take action.
06:03And if the Supreme Court calls Faisal Warda and Mustafa Kamal,
06:08then ask the Chief Prime Minister as well.
06:11What is the difference in statements?
06:13I think the court should deliberate a little on this,
06:16and show a little restraint on it.
06:18Mr. Kamal, regarding this case,
06:20the ex-president has also said that the allegations have come.
06:24The allegations are very clear.
06:25The allegations are very strict.
06:26First it was said to apologize.
06:28It is not being apologized.
06:29Then it was said to delete the tweet.
06:30The tweet is also not being deleted.
06:31Mr. Malik is saying that the case has come to the fore.
06:34How problematic can this case be?
06:40I think if you look at the larger issue at the moment,
06:42these cases do not matter so much.
06:45Overall, the confrontation that is happening at the moment is completely head-on.
06:49And I think I will continue what Mr. Malik said,
06:51that the results of the 8th of February elections,
06:54which are the results of the movements that have come in their favor,
06:57and in spite of what was clearly done to their community,
07:01the public voted in their favor.
07:03After that, I think Mr. Imran Khan had the expectation
07:06that even today he is relevant in the system.
07:08The powers that be, the establishment,
07:11will talk to them and bring them back into the system.
07:15But in spite of those results,
07:18there was no change in the expectations of Imran Khan.
07:22So right now, I think,
07:24Mr. Imran Khan's objective is clear.
07:27You can say that he wants to take aggressive posturing,
07:31rhetoric, and confrontation to the point
07:36where the other side is forced to talk to them.
07:40The problem is that there are clear positions from both sides.
07:44On one side, Mr. Imran Khan wants to talk to them,
07:47and he wants to talk to them under pressure.
07:49He says that even today he is the most accepted leader of Pakistan.
07:52He cannot be ignored.
07:54On the other side, the people who are sitting with him,
07:57they do not want to talk to them at all.
07:59In their opinion, Mr. Imran Khan is an agent of chaos.
08:01He cannot be talked to.
08:03He cannot be trusted.
08:05So these are all the reasons
08:07for which we have come to this situation.
08:09Now let's see,
08:12I think the cases that you talked about,
08:14these things have been left far behind.
08:16Because the cases have been made before,
08:18they will be made, it does not matter.
08:20But overall, the atmosphere of confrontation,
08:22where does it go?
08:24I think this is very important.
08:26And I agree with Mr. Malik.