偉人・敗北からの教訓 2024年12月14日 第71回「吉良上野介・怒りの矛先となった忠臣蔵の敵役」
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00:00Although it was a coincidental victory, all the defeats were inevitable.
00:08How did the foreigners, who had colored the history of Japan, lose?
00:13What was the reason behind their defeat, and what mistakes did they make?
00:19In this episode, we will take a closer look at Kira Kozukenosuke's defeat.
00:28Why did the incident at the Edo Castle's Matsuno Corridor, which changed the course of life, occur?
00:36And why did Kuranosuke Oishi, the leader of the Hakodoshu, lose his temper and allow the attack?
00:45The philosophy of life learned from the failures of the defeated.
00:52The Lessons from the Defeat of Foreigners
01:02What do we learn from the failures of the foreigners in history?
01:09I'm Yuri Nakanishi, voice of Shinko.
01:14And I'm Jun Ito, a historian.
01:18Today, December 14th, is the anniversary of the death of Akoro Chushingura.
01:28Do you have a favorite character?
01:31Well, I'm a fan of Kyokoha from the Choshu period.
01:37I've always liked Horibe Yasubei and Ohtaka Gengo.
01:40This time, we will talk about the villain of Chushingura.
01:46I'd like to focus on the defeat of Kira Kozukenosuke.
01:51He's the villain of Chushingura.
01:54I've heard that Kira Kozukenosuke, from the country of Mikawa,
01:58is now known as Meikun in Nishio City, Aichi Prefecture.
02:04Kozukenosuke is famous for his land, Koganezusumi,
02:07which he built in the lower reaches of the Yohagi River.
02:12The land is fertile, but the river is always in turmoil
02:16due to the poor irrigation system,
02:19which has a great effect on Chushumi.
02:22Kira Kozukenosuke was suddenly killed by Takumi Asano
02:27in Matsu-no-Roka, Edo Castle.
02:29In the end, he was executed by Akoro.
02:34Is this the point of defeat for Kozukenosuke?
02:38Yes, I think so.
02:41The truth and fiction are mixed together,
02:44and the line between the truth and fiction is very vague.
02:48From this point of view,
02:50I'd like to look at Kira Kozukenosuke's work objectively
02:54based on as much information as possible.
02:58This time, we'll look at Kira Kozukenosuke's defeat
03:02and look at the teachings that still apply to this day.
03:06What kind of person was Kira Kozukenosuke?
03:09Let's take a look.
03:12Yoshihisa Kira Kozukenosuke,
03:15who is known as the villain of the Chushin-gura,
03:18was born in Edo in 1641
03:21as the son of Yoshifuyu Kira, the head of the Koukei family.
03:27The Kira family was the descendant of the Ashikaga Shogun family.
03:31It is said that the Ashikaga family will become the Shogun family when it ceases to exist.
03:37Yoshisada, the eldest son of Kozukenosuke,
03:40was the cousin of Tokugawa Ieyasu.
03:43The Kira family has served as the Koukei family
03:46since the time of Yoshimitsu, the son of Yoshimitsu.
03:54As a descendant of the Kira family,
03:57Kozukenosuke was strictly taught the etiquette,
04:00including the Kira-style etiquette.
04:03At the age of 13, he was deposed by Tokugawa Ietsuna,
04:06the 4th Shogun, and at the age of 17,
04:09he was deposed by Jushi Inogen.
04:15At the age of 18, he married Yonezawa Hanshu,
04:18the younger sister of Uesugi Tsunakatsu,
04:21and became a distant relative of the Uesugi family.
04:26Kozukenosuke, at the age of 43,
04:29became a member of the Koukei family, the Koukei Kimoiri.
04:35The number of times he was deposed as a descendant of the Koukei family
04:38actually reached 24 times.
04:43In addition, Kozukenosuke had a total of 4,200 documents
04:47in the Mikawa and Kozuke countries.
04:52According to the Mikawa Kira,
04:55the current Aichi Prefecture,
04:58Kozukenosuke was a well-respected man
05:01who was involved in the development of the temple
05:04and the water supply business.
05:07At the age of 61,
05:09Kozukenosuke was involved in a major incident
05:12that was reported to the public.
05:15In the corridor of Edo Castle Matsu,
05:18he was suddenly attacked by
05:21Ako Hanshu Asano Takuminokami Naganori,
05:24who played the role of Shokushi Kyo-o,
05:27the emissary of the emperor.
05:33Takuminokami was immediately attacked
05:36and the Asano family was disbanded,
05:39but Kozukenosuke had never complained,
05:42so he decided to avenge the death of Takuminokami.
05:48And one year and ten months after the incident,
05:52on the night of December 14, 1615,
05:56Ako Hanshu, led by Oishi Kuranosuke Yoshitaka,
05:59entered the Kira castle,
06:02and Kozukenosuke was beheaded.
06:07It was the moment of Kozukenosuke's defeat.
06:13Why couldn't Kozukenosuke protect his own life?
06:20This time, we will talk about the defeat
06:23of Kira Kozukenosuke,
06:26who is said to be the villain of the central village.
06:31Now, let's look back at the events
06:34of the life of Kira Kozukenosuke.
06:38The Kira family was born by Kozukenosuke.
06:41It was a very prestigious family, wasn't it?
06:44The Kira family represented the Edo Shogunate
06:47and was the emissary,
06:50and the emissary was a servant of the emperor and the emperor's wife.
06:53The Kira family was the emissary,
06:56and the emissary was the servant of the emperor and the emperor's wife.
06:59This was an important role.
07:02Kozukenosuke, who was the emissary,
07:05was the direct emissary,
07:08and what was his role?
07:11In short, he was the direct emissary,
07:14and he was the servant of the emperor.
07:17He was the direct emissary,
07:20and he was the direct emissary,
07:23and he was the direct emissary,
07:26and he was the direct emissary,
07:29and he was the direct emissary,
07:32and he was the direct emissary,
07:35and he was the direct emissary,
07:38and he was the direct emissary,
07:41and he was the direct emissary,
07:44and he was the direct emissary,
07:47and he was the direct emissary,
07:50and he was the direct emissary,
07:53Koko was an important role for the Kira family.
07:56Koko was enormously important to
07:58the Kira family, indeed.
08:01However, one day, the fate of the Kira family changed,
08:05in the noodle class of Matsuno Road,
08:08Edo Castle.
08:11The overthrow of the Minamoto family
08:13caused the Kotoshu Unit to be destroyed
08:17and Kira family failed to rebuild Kintetsu.(
08:22We asked Dr. Oishi, who is well-versed in Japanese politics and society.
08:29The imperial family is a family that follows the rules and regulations of the shogunate.
08:35The most important part of the shogunate is the exchange with the emperor.
08:41Most of the members of the shogunate don't know each other.
08:44So the members of the shogunate are often excluded.
08:47In addition, the members of the shogunate go to Japan,
08:49where they leave the country in the place of the shogun.
08:57The most important part of the shogunate is the etiquette of the shogunate.
09:05The members of the shogunate sit in a certain order,
09:08and the members of the shogunate decide who goes where,
09:11how many tatami mats, and so on.
09:14The members of the shogunate make decisions based on these rules.
09:17The etiquette of the shogunate is not only used by the military,
09:21but also by the common people.
09:23The etiquette of the shogunate is also used in the rituals of the shogunate.
09:32What kind of person was Kozuke Nosuke,
09:36who has the image of a villain?
09:41He is the son of a shogun who protects the graves of six members of the shogunate.
09:44He is the son of a shogun who protects the graves of six members of the shogunate.
09:47There is a wooden statue of Kozuke Nosuke,
09:50who was around 50 years old.
09:57Mr. Tominaga, who studies the history of Kira,
10:02talks about Kozuke Nosuke like this.
10:07When I look at this statue,
10:10he has a really kind face.
10:12He has been called Mr. Kira since he was a child.
10:18Even after 300 years, he is still called Mr. Kira.
10:23I think he is definitely not a villain.
10:28One of the things that are talked about as the good deeds of Kira
10:33is the statue of Koganezutsumi.
10:36The statue of Koganezutsumi is located in a place
10:39that is about 180 meters long.
10:43It is said that it protected the shogunate.
10:48Every year in autumn,
10:51the statue of Koganezutsumi is named
10:54because it brings golden greenery.
10:59Kozuke Nosuke, who was loved by the local people,
11:03also had a sense of family.
11:09When he arrived as a messenger of the shogunate,
11:13a letter from his 13-year-old daughter
11:16was recently found in his room.
11:20She said,
11:23let's talk about a lot of things when I get home.
11:31It is written in kanji,
11:35and he is a good father who loves his daughter very much.
11:42We all think of him as the Kira of Kabuki,
11:45but the real Kira is a gentler father,
11:50who takes care of the local people.
11:58Kozuke Nosuke, who was born in the Kou family,
12:01had a high position in the Jushi family,
12:05which is the same family as the Date family and Shimazu family in Kansai.
12:09However, they had only 4,200 households.
12:13For this reason,
12:16it is said that the financial situation of the Kira family was difficult.
12:20In order to maintain the status,
12:23everything had to be first-class,
12:26and then you had to buy the first-class.
12:28I think it was very difficult to maintain the status.
12:32I think it was very difficult
12:35because the Kira family was different from the general Hatamoto and Daimyo.
12:41Kozuke Nosuke took care of the gorgeous Ema kimono
12:45sent from Kuge in Kyoto to his son, Ukezoji, who was a Bodaiji.
12:5111 Kuge added the explanation of the Jiki room
12:54to the Waka, which was based on the craftsman.
12:59His personal relationship with these Kuge
13:03was also suppressing the financial situation of the Kira family.
13:07Kozuke Nosuke, who was the son of Yonezawa Hanshi and Uesugi Tsunakatsu,
13:13received financial support from the Uesugi family of 6,000 guk every year.
13:21The fact that he is connected to Kira
13:24improves the position of Uesugi.
13:26The fact that the wife of Kira Kozuke comes out of the house
13:30is not a kind of charity,
13:33but it is also connected to the fact that it does not make him independent.
13:37You can see that a lot of money goes from Uesugi every year.
13:42The connection between the Kira family and the Uesugi family
13:46became even stronger when the two families welcomed each other.
13:51When Tsunakatsu died before Atatori,
13:54the eldest son of Kozuke Nosuke became the son-in-law,
13:58and he became the son-in-law of Uesugi Tsunanori.
14:06On the other hand, when the son-in-law of the Kira family, Saburo, died young,
14:11the son-in-law of Tsunanori, the grandson of Kozuke Nosuke,
14:15became the son-in-law of Kira Yoshichika.
14:18In 1683, Kozuke Nosuke became the son-in-law of Tsunanori,
14:23who was appointed as the son-in-law of the Kira family.
14:28He was 17 years old at the time.
14:32He was the son-in-law of Asano Takumi,
14:36the son-in-law of the Harima family.
14:40He was the son-in-law of Asano Takumi,
14:44the son-in-law of Harima family.
14:48Mr. Mayama, who wrote a biography of Asano Takumi,
14:52said that the ceremony at the time went on without a hitch.
14:58At the time, Takumi was only 17 years old,
15:02so I think he had a lot of support from his classmates.
15:06He was on the front line,
15:10but he had a lot of support from the execution team,
15:14so I think he was able to overcome it.
15:16The two met again at work 18 years later.
15:22Takumi was appointed as the second son-in-law of Kira Yoshichika,
15:27and Kozuke Nosuke was appointed as the son-in-law of Tsunanori.
15:32And then, the great incident that changed Kozuke Nosuke's life...
15:46The Great Incident
15:57On the 14th of March,
16:01just before the ceremony began,
16:05a sudden incident occurred in the corridor of Edo Castle.
16:11Do you remember the will of this ship?
16:15Takumi suddenly dropped his small sword,
16:19and Kozuke Nosuke was wounded in the back and forehead.
16:25At the scene, Hatamoto Kazikawa Yosobei came to the rescue,
16:30and Kozuke Nosuke took his life.
16:35This was the beginning of the Great Incident.
16:38Takumi's will
16:41What kind of grudge did Takumi have against this will?
16:47It was such a trivial matter that I can't even explain it.
16:52There were so many things piled up,
16:55such as how to instruct the execution team,
16:58and Takumi's pride.
17:00I couldn't forgive him for that.
17:04I think he was mentally ill.
17:08He was delusional.
17:10Especially when the execution was about to begin,
17:13Kazikawa Yosobei and Kira were talking.
17:16I think he was thinking that he was being blamed.
17:22It is also said that Kozuke Nosuke asked Takumi for a large amount of money.
17:31I don't think Kira asked for a large amount of money.
17:35I think it was a normal way of negotiating between the Kashin and the Kashin.
17:45At that time, the Asano side probably didn't listen to what Takumi said about the Kashin.
17:56Grudge against Kozuke Nosuke
18:01Takumi's mental illness caused him to be mentally ill.
18:06Takumi didn't say a word about it,
18:10and immediately surrendered.
18:12The Asano side was disillusioned.
18:15On the other hand, Kozuke Nosuke didn't make a sound.
18:20Tokugawa Tsunayoshi, the 5th Shogun of the Toki era,
18:24didn't consider this incident as a case of fighting.
18:29Kira-san didn't have a sword.
18:32He couldn't even touch a sword.
18:34I think that's why he was judged like that.
18:38But I think he was judged too short.
18:42I think he was judged too short.
18:45If he had listened to the Asano side a little more,
18:49I think the Asano side would have been more satisfied.
18:53Behind this kind of judgment,
18:56there was Tsunayoshi, the Shogun's personal agenda.
19:02At that time, Tsunayoshi wanted his mother, Keisho-in, to be ranked 11th.
19:10At that time, the Shogun was negotiating with the Shogunate.
19:15Tsunayoshi had that in his mind.
19:18It was the most important time.
19:20He wondered what he had done.
19:22An important ceremony was held for Tsunayoshi's mother to be ranked 11th.
19:28It was exactly on that day that the incident occurred.
19:32Tsunayoshi was furious about this,
19:34and he thought that he had given Takumi-no-kami the slip of the tongue.
19:41However, there were some people who disagreed with this judgment.
19:48They were the Ako-han warriors who served Takumi-no-kami.
19:53And Kozuke-no-suke bought a fierce statue from them.
19:58It was the Ako-han warriors.
20:02When you look at Kira-san as a person,
20:07you can see that he has a completely different image of a villain.
20:16I think it's a mistake to say that a person is a good person or a bad person.
20:24If you look at him as a good person, he is a good person.
20:27If you look at him as a bad person, he is a bad person.
20:30Kira-kei is a family of nobles.
20:33It must have been a big burden for him to have to act as a nobleman
20:38even though he didn't have a lot of money.
20:41I think it was a big burden.
20:43That's why Kira-kei was connected to Uesugi-kei.
20:47Uesugi-kei wanted to support Kira-kei financially.
20:54Did Uesugi-kei have a lot of money?
20:57Uesugi-kei didn't have a lot of money because it was a country with a population of 300,000.
21:05However, for Uesugi-kei,
21:08it was important to connect Kira-kei and the Enseki family.
21:14I think there are a lot of reasons for the Injo Incident.
21:18What do you think was the biggest reason?
21:21I think it was because there wasn't a lot of money.
21:25It's a bad way to say money, but at the time,
21:28I think it's okay to think of it as the amount of shidouryo or sharei.
21:33This is the amount of shidouryo you give to Kira-kei from Asano-kei, right?
21:37I think so.
21:39If you don't have that much money, it's hard to teach.
21:42As a result, Takumi-no-okami was killed immediately.
21:46On the other hand, Kozuke-no-suke was not executed.
21:50It's not a fight between the two.
21:53What do you think about this?
21:55I think it was the right thing to do.
21:58Denchuu-no-ninjo is an unforgivable act for a shogun,
22:02who has begun to cut ties with the Bunchi-seiji.
22:07Why do you think Bakufu was in such a hurry to answer?
22:12Why was he in such a hurry?
22:14First of all, the anger of the shogun must have been great.
22:18The elderly and other people must have been very scared.
22:23In particular, Bakufu is a shogun's duty,
22:26so I think he wanted to get rid of it quickly and end it.
22:30So in the end, the reason why Bakufu was in such a hurry was to get rid of it.
22:36It seems that it is better to read the feelings of the people around you
22:41and take action from day to day,
22:45rather than giving a sense of disgust to the other person without knowing it.
22:50Kozuke-no-suke was cut by Takumi-no-kami and injured.
22:54After that, rumors of retribution from the Ako-roshi also spread.
22:58How did he spend his days?
23:01The countdown to the Kirate Uchi-iri begins.
23:0612 days after the incident at Matsu-no-doka,
23:1161-year-old Kozuke-no-suke submitted a request for self-restraint and resigned from his post.
23:19I think he had been thinking about taking a big turn because he had become quite old.
23:26So it's not strange to think of this as an opportunity.
23:31But I think it's a little uncool from the outside.
23:34After that, the Ako castle was handed over by the order of the Bakufu.
23:41From the old men who lost their jobs,
23:44there was also a voice saying that they should hurry with the revenge of the lord.
23:50Oishi-kura-no-suke, who was the head of the Ako faction,
23:53said that the Takumi-no-kami's younger brother, Asano-daigaku,
23:59was the first to aim for the Asano family's success.
24:11In August of the year 64,
24:14Kozuke-no-suke received an order from the Bakufu.
24:17He ate up the mansion of the Gofuku-bashi,
24:21and was ordered to relocate to Honjo on the other side of Sumidagawa.
24:27It must have been a shock to relocate.
24:30According to the records at the time,
24:33there weren't many people and the security was not as good as in the city.
24:39I think that's why Kiragawa was nervous again.
24:43Yes.
24:45Could it be that this is the mansion of the Adauchi-omikoshite?
24:50From the Bakufu's point of view,
24:53if an incident like that happens near Edo Castle,
24:56it's not a coincidence.
24:58When Tsunayoshi was singing the Bunchi-shugi,
25:01and was saying that he wanted to take care of people's lives,
25:04if something like that happens near Edo Castle,
25:08it would be the opposite of what he had done before.
25:11So in order to avoid that,
25:14he wanted to make the Kiratei as far away as possible from Edo Castle.
25:20I think that was his plan.
25:25At the same time,
25:28three people close to Kouzuke-no-suke were dismissed.
25:32There must have been a reason why
25:36three people close to Kira were dismissed.
25:44They were all killed at the same time.
25:47I think that was a very anxious situation for Kira.
25:51They have no fire.
25:54Neither do I.
25:56What is the Bakufu up to?
26:02Kouzuke-no-suke resigned,
26:05and entrusted his family to his grandson Yoshitsuka.
26:09Hearing this,
26:11the Kyushin clan, including Horibe Yasubei, became anxious.
26:16Because if Kouzuke-no-suke was taken over by the Uesugi family,
26:20it would be difficult for him to enter the house.
26:24However, Kuranosuke,
26:26even here,
26:27was determined to take them over.
26:40In July of the year 615,
26:43the Bakufu finally disposed of Asano University.
26:48I will take over the Asano family in Hiroshima.
26:55Kuranosuke's wish,
26:58the Asano family's greatest wish, was granted.
27:02Since Takumi-no-kami surrendered,
27:05we have been working hard for the sake of the Asano family.
27:10But here, all our wishes were granted.
27:14I think there was only one way left.
27:19Kouzuke-no-suke's anxiety grew even more.
27:24Why did the Bakufu do such a thing?
27:29When I heard that the Uesugi family would not be able to enter the house,
27:33I thought, what did the Bakufu do?
27:36There was no choice but to take them over.
27:40I think that's why my anxiety grew even more.
27:44Kouzuke-no-suke was wary of the attack of the old men,
27:48and spent most of his days in the Edo-yashiki of Uesugi Tsunanori,
27:52where the Uesugi family lived.
27:56In the midst of all this,
27:59what he did to maintain peace of mind was tea-making.
28:06In his teens, Kouzuke-no-suke became a master of Sen-no-soutan.
28:11He was also a first-class tea-maker,
28:14so much so that he was called the first-class tea-maker.
28:19Kouzuke-no-suke was looking forward to opening a small tea party
28:23in the mansion of Honjo in Shiwasu.
28:29I hope it will be a good year.
28:35However, on the day of the tea party,
28:38the old men from the Edo-yashiki knew about it,
28:41and the day of the marriage was decided.
28:44Kouzuke-no-suke did not even know about it.
28:48And finally, the time came.
28:52What will Kouzuke-no-suke do?
29:03On December 14th,
29:05when the tea party was over and the night was getting late,
29:09the Ako-o-Shiju-Shiteshi gathered at the Kira-tei of Honjo.
29:14While all the Kira-tei members were asleep,
29:18Echiju appeared.
29:21What's going on?
29:24Kouzuke-no-suke, who woke up to the noise outside,
29:28jumped out of his bed and hid himself.
29:33Yoshitsuka, the head of the Kira-tei,
29:36was about to fight against the old men,
29:38but he got injured in his back and head,
29:41and he lost consciousness.
29:44The old men, who were attacked while they were sleeping,
29:47were killed one by one,
29:49and they were buried alive.
29:53The remains of the battle were left behind.
29:56This is also the story of Nufun and the swordsmen of Honjo.
30:02As soon as he put on his underwear,
30:04he saw the remains of the battle.
30:06He couldn't believe his eyes.
30:26Soon, the old men searched the mansion,
30:30and Kouzuke-no-suke was found.
30:34Kouzuke-no-suke, who was cornered,
30:37pulled out his underwear and resisted,
30:40but he couldn't do anything.
30:45Kouzuke-no-suke was defeated.
30:51Kouzuke-no-suke's head was given to Takumi-no-kami,
30:55who was sleeping during the war.
30:58Kouzuke-no-suke's head was given to Takumi-no-kami.
31:02And after this,
31:04the Kira family was swept away by even more tragedies.
31:11Originally, in the peaceful Edo period,
31:16there was a sense of presence in this
31:20brutal and reckless attack.
31:24But at that time,
31:25what was the meaning of this attack?
31:29The attack itself was a self-sacrifice.
31:34It was against the policy of Tsunayoshi,
31:37which was to aim for a rule of law.
31:40I think it was very unacceptable.
31:44During the period until the attack,
31:47the shogun ordered Kouzuke-no-suke to change his residence.
31:51What do you think the reason was?
31:52After Kouzuke-no-suke took over the Koukei Kimoiri,
31:56he moved out.
31:58At that time, he had a mansion in Gofubashi,
32:01which was near Edo Castle.
32:03He didn't need to have a mansion nearby.
32:06If there was a riot in Gofubashi,
32:09the authority of the shogunate would be affected.
32:12If there was a riot in such a place,
32:14it would be very close to Edo Castle.
32:16And if there was a war, it would be even more difficult.
32:19It would be difficult for the city of Edo.
32:22It would be difficult for the city of Edo.
32:25I think that's why he moved to Gofubashi.
32:28I think that's why he moved to Gofubashi.
32:31I see.
32:33Oishi-kurano-suke decided to move in
32:36when the dream of the Asano family was fulfilled.
32:40If the dream of the Asano family was fulfilled,
32:43do you think he wouldn't have moved in?
32:46Here is Jun Ito,
32:48who examines the history from the point of view of a historian.
32:52Here is Jun Ito's viewpoint.
32:55I don't think he would have moved in.
32:58However, Horibe Yasubeira of the Kyoko faction
33:01wrote that he wanted to move in
33:04to build a part of the samurai family,
33:07regardless of whether the family would be rebuilt or not.
33:10However, the position of Oishi-kurano-suke is difficult.
33:13In other words, he had to think of the family first.
33:15If the dream of Oishi-kurano-suke was fulfilled,
33:18I think he would have been severely punished.
33:21I think that's why he told everyone
33:24that he wanted to move in.
33:27It seems that Uesugi-ken also received
33:30a letter saying that he wanted to move in.
33:33Didn't he go to help
33:36Tsunanori, the daughter of Kozuke-no-suke?
33:39According to the records at the time,
33:42Uesugi-ken received a letter saying that
33:45he wanted to move in.
33:48So it's almost over.
33:51Yes, it's almost over.
33:54Tsunanori sent a total of 40 people
33:57to inspect the site early in the morning.
34:00However, Uesugi-ken received a letter
34:03saying that the shogun's messengers
34:06came to Uesugi-ken to warn them
34:09not to make a big fuss.
34:12Even so, Tsunanori insisted
34:15that he wanted to move in.
34:18If Uesugi-ken had gone to fight
34:21against the Roshi here,
34:24he would have been able to move in.
34:27I wonder if there was a way
34:30for Kozuke-no-suke to survive.
34:33This incident happened
34:36a long time ago.
34:39Kiragata was very careful.
34:42If he hadn't been careful,
34:45he wouldn't have been able to move in.
34:48At that time, the area around the main castle
34:51was very dark.
34:54If he had left the mansion,
34:57he would have been able to hide anywhere.
35:00However, Kozuke-no-suke had a strong will.
35:03He couldn't run away from the mansion
35:06and be caught by the enemy.
35:09That's why he was hiding in the mansion.
35:12If he felt threatened,
35:15he wouldn't have been able to move in.
35:18If he hadn't been careful,
35:21he wouldn't have been able to move in.
35:24After the death of Kozuke-no-suke,
35:27what kind of fate did the Kira family follow?
35:30And what is the real meaning of Kozuke-no-suke's defeat?
35:33Please take a look at this.
35:36About 50 days after the Kira family's invasion,
35:39the 46 Ako-roshi
35:42decided to go to Seppuku
35:45and went to the dead lord.
35:50On that day,
35:53the Kira family was also severely punished.
35:56Because of his improper conduct,
35:59he was banished to Yoshitsuka
36:02and made to stay in Shinano-no-ku.
36:06The Shogunate decided that Yoshitsuka
36:09was not suitable as a samurai
36:12and dismissed the Kira family.
36:16Because it was a battle in the darkness of the night,
36:19it was hard to tell if he was in good health or not.
36:22So the Ako-roshi,
36:25who came out on the basis of
36:28the Shido and Fukaku-go,
36:31decided to disperse the Ako-roshi
36:34and balance the situation.
36:37The public wanted that.
36:41Kozuke-no-suke fought bravely
36:43against the Ako-roshi,
36:46but he lost.
36:49I don't know where that came from.
36:52It was a serious crime.
36:55It was a serious crime.
36:58The background of the Kira family's punishment
37:01was the voice of the public
37:04that could not be ignored.
37:07At that time,
37:10there was a lot of dissatisfaction
37:13with the Ako-roshi.
37:16The Shogunate,
37:19the police,
37:22and the Ako-roshi.
37:25At that time,
37:28the Ako-roshi were very welcome
37:31by the public.
37:34In a way,
37:37the Ako-roshi made the public
37:40feel dissatisfied.
37:43Three years later,
37:46at the age of 21,
37:49Kozuke-no-suke breathed his last.
37:52At that time,
37:55the Kira family fell apart.
37:58Kozuke-no-suke,
38:01who lost his life
38:04because of the Ako-roshi's grudge,
38:07was in a tragic state.
38:10But Kozuke-no-suke
38:13was still alive.
38:16More than 300 years after the incident,
38:19Kozuke-no-suke played the role of
38:22the greatest villain in Japan.
38:2647 years after the Ninjou incident,
38:29the Kanade-hon Chūshin-gura,
38:32which was born as a puppet show
38:35and a kabuki play,
38:38became very popular.
38:40It made a big impression on the public.
38:45One thing I'm afraid of
38:48is that the Kira family
38:51will push all the bad things
38:54and do everything right.
38:57That's why I don't think
39:00it's a perfect evil.
39:03I think it's better to think
39:06in a more relaxed way
39:08than to push all the bad things
39:11and do everything right.
39:14I think the Chūshin-gura
39:17needs to be evaluated
39:20in a new way.
39:28Kira Kozuke-no-suke,
39:31who lost his life
39:34because of the Ako-roshi's grudge.
39:36The Chūshin-gura,
39:39which was born as a puppet show,
39:42has been studied as a true story.
39:45By reviewing the history
39:48from the point of view of the Kira family,
39:51Kozuke-no-suke's grudge
39:54may finally be erased.
39:56Kira Kozuke-no-suke,
39:59who lost his life
40:02because of the Ako-roshi's grudge.
40:05I've heard this a lot lately,
40:08but I can really feel
40:11the fear of being bashed.
40:14On the contrary,
40:17the people don't know the exact information.
40:20They only know the excessive information.
40:22Moreover, the people like to speak
40:25in a double-edged sword.
40:28I think that's why
40:31the Kira Kozuke-no-suke reputation
40:34is in a bad way.
40:37How do you see this?
40:40After Asano Takumi-no-kami
40:43ordered a coup,
40:46the Tsunayoshi earthquake came.
40:49At that time,
40:52Asano Takumi-no-kami was the
40:55head of the Kira family.
40:58That's why he thought he was the worst.
41:01He thought that the Kira family
41:04had no respect for adults.
41:07He thought he was wrong.
41:10He was anxious.
41:13So, the Kira family,
41:16who were executed,
41:19brought out a double-edged sword.
41:22That's why Yoshikawa
41:25was executed.
41:28As time went by,
41:31the Kana-de-hon-chu-shin-gura
41:34and the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke
41:37became a bad image.
41:40Why do you think this happened?
41:43The Bakuhan-taisetsu was established.
41:46The people were bound by the status system.
41:49That's where the freedom of speech
41:52and freedom of expression
41:55came from.
41:58The Kana-de-hon-chu-shin-gura
42:01wanted to spread freedom of speech.
42:04That's why the Kana-de-hon-chu-shin-gura
42:07was so popular.
42:10This is a lesson
42:13learned from the defeat of the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke.
42:19Once again,
42:22please tell us about the lessons
42:25that we should learn from the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke.
42:28It's been more than five years.
42:31I don't intend to judge people
42:34by their words and actions,
42:37but I think the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke
42:40went too far.
42:43What do you mean?
42:46I mean strict education.
42:48It's a great shame
42:51for the young people
42:54who grew up with the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke.
42:57It's different from us.
43:00The Kira-Kozuke-no-suke's strict education
43:03was bullied by the Takumi-no-kai.
43:06That's why the Matsunoko incident happened.
43:09I lived in the business world
43:12in the 80s and 90s.
43:14The Kira-Kozuke-no-suke's strict education
43:17was strictly enforced
43:20by the Takumi-no-kai.
43:23But now I think
43:26the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke's strict education
43:29doesn't have to be strict.
43:32That's why I think the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke
43:35went too far.
43:38I don't think it's a good thing.
43:41The Kira-Kozuke-no-suke
43:44is afraid of the Takumi-no-kai.
43:47This is the lesson learned from the defeat
43:50of the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke.
43:53The characteristics of a person
43:56can be extremely negative
43:59or can be extremely negative.
44:02But I heard a lot about you today.
44:05I realized that humans
44:08are not like that.
44:11That's right.
44:14The Kira-Kozuke-no-suke
44:17is a good person
44:20even if he is a bad person.
44:23I think that's why humans are complicated.
44:26So even if you don't like someone,
44:29don't judge a person
44:32from your own point of view.
44:35I agree.
44:38The Kira-Kozuke-no-suke
44:40that you described in your book
44:43is very realistic.
44:46I want to see that.
44:49Ito-san, thank you for today.
44:55The lesson learned from the defeat of the Kira-Kozuke-no-suke.
44:58See you next time.