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00:00Welcome to SportsZoom, I am your host Najeeb Ulhasnain and the T20 series is going on between Pakistan and Zimbabwe.
00:23This is the second match in which Zimbabwe won the toss to change their fate and decided to bat first, which was not good for them.
00:31The whole team is out at 57.
00:34Apart from Bennett's 21 and Mahrumani's 16, no other player was able to enter the double figure.
00:41And the most interesting thing is that Sufian Muqeem, who is showing a great performance,
00:47when we repeatedly say that when the youngsters get a chance, they will do well and deliver,
00:52he has done 5 for 3 bowling figures and 2.4 overs.
00:57Along with that, Abbas Afridi has out two players in two overs and has given only two runs.
01:02So far, the performance is great.
01:04With me in the studio today is sports correspondent Shahid Hashmi,
01:07and through Skype, former fast bowler Abdul Rauf will be with us.
01:11Assalamualaikum, welcome to the show.
01:13Mr. Shahid, when youngsters do well, we feel very happy.
01:16We were talking yesterday that the U19 team is also doing well in the Asia Cup,
01:20and the youngsters playing in the Pakistan team are also performing very well.
01:25It's a good thing that the youngsters got a chance,
01:27and it's a good thing that when youngsters get a chance, they grab that chance.
01:32I remember last year, Pakistan sent a very young team for the Asian Games.
01:36It was the final of 5 overs from Bangladesh.
01:38Sufian Muqeem had to defend 20 runs in the last over.
01:42He couldn't do it.
01:43So there is a big learning curve for him.
01:45He has done very good bowling in Australia in this series.
01:48He has out 5 today.
01:49So it's a big learning curve.
01:51And according to me, Zimbabwe misread the pitch.
01:53It was a very slow pitch.
01:54The ball was spinning too.
01:56And after 37 runs without a loss,
01:58it means that the whole team was crowded after the spinners came.
02:02Absolutely right.
02:03Rauf, we were talking about this in the last match as well.
02:06After 77 for 2, the whole team got out at 108.
02:10Today, after 37, the whole team got out at 57.
02:14So this is a big problem for Zimbabwe.
02:17When our youngsters are playing,
02:19we were expecting that there would be an equal match to some extent.
02:26I think Zimbabwe's cricket has been struggling for a long time.
02:29And they had given a status back.
02:31After that, they haven't been able to do anything of their own.
02:35So I think this is a problem for Zimbabwe's cricket.
02:38But it was a golden opportunity for us.
02:40Because our youngsters were in the waiting list.
02:43They were very good in domestic.
02:45And they were playing very well with Pakistan's junior team.
02:49But they didn't have the opportunity to show themselves at the highest level.
02:54So this was an ideal opportunity.
02:56And I think they grabbed it very well.
02:59After Kamran Ghulam's century,
03:01Abbas Afridi bowled like this.
03:03Sufiyan Makeem bowled outstandingly.
03:05Abrar made a very good comeback in the last match.
03:07He didn't get 4 wickets.
03:09So this is a good thing that our youngsters,
03:11who were a missing link in the past.
03:14The stats that were given to Pakistan's cricket board,
03:17they used to give chances to the youngsters.
03:19And a group of players were being promoted.
03:21And they were getting chances on a consistent basis.
03:24So it's good that they got a chance to show off against a weaker team on the international stage.
03:30And when they go against a bigger team,
03:32if they can't perform at that level,
03:34then their stable footing and confidence will definitely be in their pocket.
03:41And they will boost Pakistan.
03:43Mr. Shahid, this is a very tricky situation.
03:46You have put youngsters against Zimbabwe.
03:48The way Zimbabwe is playing,
03:50you don't get a clear picture.
03:52Are they ready for that actual stage?
03:55Are they ready to play against big teams?
03:57Or you can't judge from this?
04:00Zimbabwe has two very key players,
04:02Sean Williams and Craig Irwin.
04:04Craig Irwin was the captain of their white ball.
04:06So they were not allowed to play in this T20 series.
04:09They are playing in the African qualifying region, pre-qualifying region.
04:13Because they were not able to qualify in the last T20 World Cup.
04:17So now they are trying their new players.
04:20We have also tried our new players.
04:22You are absolutely right that you can't judge against Zimbabwe.
04:26But like Rauf said, you gave them a footing.
04:28Now they have an idea that this is international cricket.
04:31I would like the Pakistan Cricket Board and its selection committee
04:34to keep this squad against South Africa for T20.
04:37Because even if we lose T20, it doesn't make much difference.
04:41Our target will be the T20 World Cup of 2026.
04:45By that time, even if you lose the T20 series,
04:48your players will mature.
04:50But in the one-day series against South Africa,
04:53you should bring your players back because you have the Champions Trophy ahead of you.
04:57Absolutely right.
04:58Rauf, do you agree that this team should be against South Africa?
05:03There is only one point I would like to know from both of you.
05:05The backup captaincy option you have in T20
05:09is not suiting at all right now.
05:11And because of that, they might face problems in the one-day and test series
05:15just like Salman Ali Agha is performing here.
05:18What would you say about both of these things, Rauf?
05:20Look, I think we will have to give them a bold decision.
05:25If we have missed this in the past,
05:28then I think we will have to give them a bold decision in the future.
05:32And winning T20 or losing it doesn't matter to them
05:36because it's a development battle.
05:38So I think they should be brought back to South Africa.
05:40On the other hand, if you have put a burden on them and given them a taste,
05:45then Salman Ali Agha shouldn't be brought back so soon.
05:48I think he should be given some more time to carry on.
05:52And then we will have to see whether he can produce results or not.
05:56But the one-day series against South Africa will be that.
05:59And before the Champions Trophy, it will be a very important series,
06:02against a tough team.
06:03In that, Pakistan will have to go with its maximum strength.
06:08What would you say about Salman Ali Agha?
06:10He opens up a little late.
06:13This style doesn't suit him for T20.
06:15He is a very good player for ODI and TEST.
06:18In TEST, the way he played with his tail,
06:20Salman Agha did a great batting in all three TEST matches.
06:24So, even if he is not affected by ODI and T20,
06:27for T20, Rizwan will come back as captain against South Africa.
06:31So, keep Salman Agha in two formats, TEST and ODI.
06:35And we have a lot of fast bowlers who should be ready for white ball.
06:40Give them a white ball.
06:41Keep a separate fast bowling attack for TEST.
06:43This is how the team develops.
06:45And these youngsters, when they play T20 against South Africa,
06:49Hendrik Klaassen, David Miller, Riza Hendricks,
06:52all these battering batsmen will come.
06:55Then we will know about Sufian Muqeem's bowling.
06:58Then we will know about Abbas Afridi's bowling.
07:00And this maturity will come in the same way.
07:02Players mature by getting beaten up.
07:04These things sound very good.
07:06But I would like to know from both of you,
07:08when on paper, with these big names,
07:11where Mr. Shahid has counted some names,
07:14when you see your own batting in front of them,
07:17then it seems that we are joking.
07:19Our batting is still not being tested.
07:23And the style we are playing in T20,
07:25we all know that.
07:27What will you say, Rahul?
07:29Look, I think,
07:31one very important thing,
07:33which I gave to Mr. Shahid,
07:35is that Salman Agha is good at TEST.
07:38You can say he is 50-50 on one day,
07:41but T20 does not suit him at all.
07:43And the Pakistan Cricket Board should think about this.
07:45Because we have lost a lot of players like this before.
07:49You will remember that after a long time,
07:51there was a situation in Arsalan Ali,
07:53when we were in TEST,
07:54not in TEST National,
07:55but in TEST South Africa against Karachi.
07:56But he was suffering a lot in the white box,
07:58on one day and in T20 format.
08:00What we did was,
08:01we continuously gave him one day and T20 format,
08:04where he kept getting marks,
08:05and after that,
08:06he dropped from T20 format.
08:08Although he was performing very well in TEST.
08:10Similarly, the rest of us,
08:12Harith and Rahul,
08:13they used to bowl well in T20,
08:15we announced them in TEST.
08:17The rest of our bowlers,
08:19we used to take them in the same way.
08:21So we have wasted a lot of our talent.
08:23When we sent Moosa Khan to TEST,
08:25his entire career was ruined.
08:28So now we are doing the same adventure with Salman Agha.
08:31So I think,
08:32if you keep him limited to TEST,
08:34or if you get him to bat on an open number on one day,
08:37then it will be beneficial for Pakistan.
08:39Instead of giving him T20 format.
08:42As far as you talked about competing,
08:44I think Pakistan's batsmen,
08:46will face a lot of tough circumstances in South Africa.
08:50You must have seen their bowlers,
08:52Jenson, left arm fast bowler.
08:54He bowls very well.
08:56Then there is Rabada and other bowlers.
08:58They are in a very good form.
09:00So our batting is definitely suffering.
09:02But if you look at their consistent chances,
09:04if you change a lot after losing,
09:07or if you get scared of losing,
09:09then you will never be able to build a team.
09:11If you want to give a chance to new players,
09:13and keep them groomed,
09:14then you will have to be ready for failure.
09:17You will have to accept mentally,
09:19that the youngsters we have tried,
09:21who have performed very well,
09:23their failure will be definite.
09:25It will be a failure for 2-4 days,
09:27but you don't have to worry about it.
09:28If you want to go for long term policy,
09:30then you have to give them chances on a consistent basis,
09:33so that they can build their strength there.
09:37In batting, we will have to keep some of our key players in South Africa.
09:41The South African series will develop these players a lot.
09:43Rizwan will come back.
09:45I want that instead of Salman Agha,
09:47if we keep a power hitter in the middle order,
09:50there is a T20 cup happening,
09:52but it is so close to the South African series,
09:54that we can't find a player for it.
09:56So we have to select a power hitter instead of Salman.
10:00We can keep Salman with the squad,
10:02but we have to keep a power hitter,
10:04who can give you power hitting.
10:06The India series that won 4-1 from South Africa,
10:08won because their spinners bowled very well.
10:10Varun Chakraborty, Ravi Bishno,
10:12they bowled very well,
10:13but they were given a platform.
10:15Sanju Samson and Tilak Verma bowled very well.
10:18But wherever South Africa will have to play our spinners,
10:21they will have a problem.
10:22They play fast bowlers very well.
10:24But now the two tests that they are playing from Sri Lanka,
10:27after that they will give rest to their fast bowlers.
10:30The good news is that Kotzi is out of the entire series of Pakistan.
10:33He is a very dangerous bowler.
10:35Marco Jansen will also play two tests.
10:38So God willing,
10:39they will not select him for T20 other than Pakistan.
10:42So Pakistan will get a relatively easy team from South Africa.
10:46And this will be a good series for the young players.
10:49When you play against good opponents,
10:52you have climbed one ladder from Zimbabwe.
10:55Now to climb another ladder,
10:57you will have to perform well in South Africa.
10:59Whenever Pakistan's batsmen will put 160-170 on the board,
11:03Pakistan's same bowler will also create problems for South Africa.
11:06Abdul Rauf is also with us.
11:08Shahid Hashmi is also with us.
11:09A small commercial break.
11:10Don't go anywhere.
11:11We will be right back.
11:26Glad to have you back once again to Sports Room.
11:28As you know,
11:29the second T20 International between Pakistan and Zimbabwe is going on.
11:33We will show you the live footage.
11:35Pakistan has started their batting.
11:37The target for Pakistan is 58 runs,
11:42which is obviously easy and there is no problem.
11:47There should be a smooth sailing from here.
11:49And Pakistan should easily win this match.
11:52So moving on, let's talk a little.
11:55As you all know, the matter of the Champions Trophy is still hanging.
12:00Former Indian cricketer Harbhajan Singh does not like Pakistan-India cricket.
12:06He still says that he will not go to Pakistan.
12:09He has also said that if you don't want to come, then don't come.
12:14Ask all the players.
12:15They also think the same.
12:16What did he have to say?
12:17Let me show you.
12:19We will not come to India.
12:21No, don't come.
12:22Don't come.
12:23No problem.
12:24No problem.
12:25Don't come.
12:26If you think that if you don't come here,
12:28the tournament that is taking place in India is making a difference,
12:31then this is your thinking.
12:32Don't come.
12:33You have a choice.
12:35But the Indian team also has a choice whether to go there or not.
12:38I think you can ask any current player.
12:41They will say the same.
12:42It's not that people are not going because of people.
12:45Every team would like to go.
12:46Just move the tournament forward.
12:48You can't stop the tournament.
12:50This will happen here.
12:51This is our stubbornness.
12:52Do some other venue.
12:53Do a neutral venue.
12:55The hybrid model is absolutely right.
12:59Mr. Shahid, you are talking as if it is a very logical thing.
13:03We are also requesting the same thing.
13:05We are also talking about the same thing.
13:07We have the same concern.
13:08If there are no matches there, then our matches should also not be there.
13:12Good players like Arbijan should avoid these things.
13:16But of course, they say the same thing that is being said all over India.
13:20There are still many people who want Pakistan-India cricket to continue.
13:24And it is disappointing when such a big player says such things.
13:28But it is happening.
13:29And now this has happened with the Champions Trophy.
13:31Pakistan has also adopted a position.
13:33This is a double standard.
13:35You call your team and feed the team of Pakistan.
13:37And when it comes to us, we say that we don't want to play with the country that creates problems for us.
13:45So this was not acceptable for Pakistan.
13:48And this is the right stance.
13:50Pakistan-India cricket will not happen for a while until there is no political progress.
13:57The thing is that nothing is better than respect.
13:59According to me, this fusion formula is better.
14:02Pakistan has also backed off on this.
14:04But we can't offer anything more than this.
14:07If there is an objection to this, then no.
14:09Now this problem will remain.
14:10Pakistan is also saying that the final is in Lahore.
14:12So how can they accept it?
14:14If the Indian team does not come in the final.
14:17Obviously, the Indian team is very good.
14:19They have also played the final of the World Cup.
14:21So even thinking that why should we give the final?
14:23If the Indian team comes on this set, then they can play their final in Dubai.
14:27So after all these things, this feud should end.
14:30Now the ICC is saying that there is no update yet.
14:33But in the next few days, there will be a meeting.
14:36In which this decision will be made.
14:38Absolutely.
14:39Rauf, tell me, there is a lot of arrogance in Harbhajan's words.
14:44And this is the attitude that is coming from him.
14:48What do you think?
14:50But I think it is regrettable.
14:52And these two people, Gautam Gambhir and Harbhajan.
14:56They use them on different occasions.
14:59And I think this should not be done.
15:01Because on the issue of Kashmir, they brought Gautam Gambhir.
15:04And they said that this is the generation of Pandits.
15:07And this is also Kashmiri.
15:08And later, I don't know, he didn't even know what the Kashmiri demography is or not.
15:12So they have strange stances.
15:14But the Indian elite class and the sensible people there.
15:17They are also against this.
15:19They are also criticizing their government.
15:21That the Indian team should go to Pakistan.
15:24And this fight should not continue.
15:26Their opposition party has openly criticized the Modi government's policies.
15:31They said that the Indian team should tour Pakistan in every way.
15:35But you see, we also have a little issue.
15:38Maybe he agrees with this or not.
15:40That we should have given a stand in the past.
15:43100%.
15:44100%.
16:14You are right.
16:43So basically, the thing is that both hands are safe.
16:46It is very wrong to say this from one side.
16:48Mr. Shahid, there is very little time left.
16:50Before leaving, there is one more topic.
16:51I would like to know your opinion quickly.
16:52That many players in England are raising their voices on this.
16:55That NOC is being given for IPL and not for PSL.
16:58They are also thinking about legal action.
17:00What do you think about this?
17:01Many players in England are also thinking that they should retire.
17:04When they retire, they don't need NOC.
17:07The Red Ball's contracted players with the counties.
17:10The ECB is telling them that we will not give NOC.
17:12But at the same time, they are also saying that the Red Ball's players.
17:15The White Ball's contracted players.
17:17If they play a pay-as-you-play match of Red Ball.
17:20We will not give NOC to them either.
17:22Those who are only from White Ball.
17:24Maybe they will get NOC.
17:25Like Jason Roy, Alex Hales, etc.
17:27But the players have now come together.
17:29And they can certainly go to the court.
17:31And decide about retirement.
17:32Okay.
17:33Thank you very much.
17:34Mr. Hashmi was with us.
17:35Abdul Rauf was with us.
17:36That's all for today's program.
17:37Give permission to your host, Najeeb-ul-Hasnain.
17:38Allah Hafiz.