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00:00Hello and welcome to Sports Room. I am your host, Najeeb Ulhasnain.
00:18No one will accept change for Pakistan's Champions Trophy.
00:23And no one will accept such a model.
00:26The government of Pakistan can take a harsh decision on the refusal to come to India for the event.
00:32We will show you the details in this report.
00:34The ICC has warned the PCB about not coming to India to play.
00:39The government of the Cricket Board has already said 6 months ago that they will follow whatever the government says.
00:45We will have to go to our government. We will have to follow whatever they say.
00:48They should not expect a good gesture from us every time.
00:50The government has warned that Pakistan will boycott playing from India on every forum.
00:55And will not play until the relations between the two countries are better.
00:59The government has said that stadiums are being built. Security is excellent.
01:04If India does not come, there will be a loss of revenue.
01:07The government has said that Pakistan will not back down from its position.
01:11They will not accept a hybrid model.
01:13We have Sports Correspondent Shahid Hashmi in the studio to talk about this.
01:16Mr. Shahid Hashmi, one thing is very clear.
01:18They talk about a good gesture.
01:22It has been a long time since it has been one-sided.
01:25I do not understand why the BCCI or the ICC, for that matter,
01:35do not talk about this when they are planning the event.
01:39The ICC is a toothless body.
01:42It has a tiger's skin.
01:44It has never had teeth.
01:46It cannot show its teeth.
01:48There is a famous dialogue in the film Paresh Rahul.
01:52The uncle is the nephew. The nephew is the uncle.
01:55The BCCI is the ICC. The PCB is the ICC.
01:58It is a body of full members of the member boards.
02:02And they make their own decisions.
02:05This should happen on the behalf of FIFA.
02:07In 2011, Haroon Lohrgaat raised this issue of governance.
02:12There should be independent directors.
02:14There is only one independent director.
02:16There was a director.
02:18After his departure, the seat of the independent director is vacant.
02:21Indra Lohi.
02:23He also had no connection with India.
02:25If there are 10 independent directors,
02:27one from Belgium, one from China, one from USA,
02:31one from Timbuktu, one from South Africa.
02:33South Africa is a member board.
02:35These are the boards that do not play cricket.
02:37They should take the final decision.
02:39And they should see if there is neutrality in the ICC or not.
02:43Or is there any neutrality in this decision of India or not?
02:46Pakistan has been going.
02:48Pakistan went to Pakistan despite the threats.
02:51Pakistan's one match in 2016 shifted from Dharamshala to Kolkata.
02:56In 1999, the pitch of the venue where Pakistan was going to play was dug.
03:00Oil was added.
03:02Despite all this, Pakistan went.
03:04So why is India not coming?
03:06Why is India taking such a decision?
03:08Even though it came in 2004, 2006, 2008.
03:10They got excellent security.
03:12That's right. Let's know the situation on the other side.
03:14Senior journalist Chandresh Narayan is with us.
03:16Chandresh, welcome to the show.
03:18Thanks a lot, Najeeb.
03:20Thank you very much for inviting me to the program.
03:23Chandresh, tell me the situation there.
03:25Look, this problem has been going on between the two countries for a long time.
03:30Despite that, Pakistan has been coming and playing.
03:33Now that the Champions Trophy is just around the corner.
03:36At that time, to refuse and this situation to come in front.
03:41What do you think, can there be any change in this situation?
03:46Look Najeeb, to be honest, this was decided the day this tournament was awarded.
03:52Until the government does not want, the matter will not move forward.
03:56And I think it was decided the day this tournament was awarded.
04:02And I think what Shahid Bhai was saying is right.
04:06The ICC as a governing body should be questioned.
04:11Because they have no control in any tournament.
04:14Whenever there is an ICC tournament, there are some problems.
04:18When the T20 World Cup was held in the USA, there was a problem with the venue.
04:23Now you will go to New York, you will not even get the stadium where India and Pakistan were competing.
04:28And there was something last year, before that too.
04:32Every time there is a drama before the ICC event.
04:35Is this drama happening to show us?
04:38Or they already know that this is going to happen and they remain silent.
04:41And these decisions are already made in closed rooms and we find out later.
04:45So I think this thing should be settled first.
04:52But in a way, as long as there are such talks, there will be talks of cricket.
04:57But Chandraji, as we say that both hands are safe.
05:00When Pakistan has gone to India in such a bad state, because there were ICC events.
05:05We have been going to India for that.
05:07So what is the problem now?
05:09We have always heard that subject to government's approval.
05:15So when the award is being made, there should be a talk about it.
05:18Either you are already deciding that neither India will go to Pakistan, nor Pakistan will go to India.
05:23And both will have neutral venues.
05:26There should be something like this from the beginning.
05:30This should happen, but unfortunately.
05:33When the award is made, the ICC awards it in its board meeting.
05:37Then there are no talks with the government.
05:39But everyone always knows.
05:41And no one knows better than Shahid Bhai.
05:44Whenever India-Pakistan cricket happens, there are talks at the government level.
05:49When India came to Pakistan in 2004,
05:52Both the presidents of both the countries, Bajpayee and Musharraf, had their consent.
05:59That's why both the teams played a series together.
06:02And when they played the series, they played continuously for 3-4 years.
06:05The same thing happened from 1978 to 1989.
06:08And after that, the same thing happened.
06:10Nothing happened till 1996 after 1989.
06:12So as long as the government does not go, nothing can happen.
06:15But Chandresh, I would like to ask.
06:18When Pakistan was awarded the Champions Trophy in September 2021.
06:22At that time, it was announced that this event will be held in this country till 2031.
06:28So at that time, shouldn't the BCCI and ICC have written that
06:312025 Champions Trophy subject to India touring Pakistan.
06:362026 T20 World Cup India and Sri Lanka to host.
06:40Subject to Pakistan touring India.
06:422030 World Cup subject to Pakistan touring India.
06:462029 Champions Trophy India subject to Pakistan touring India.
06:50Why didn't they get it written at that time?
06:52And why didn't they come and tell at the board meeting?
06:55This is true. Shahid Bhai, you are a big fan of films.
06:59So let me tell you something about the film.
07:02There was a film called Juhi Chawla.
07:05In that, Vidya Balan and Shahid Kapoor.
07:07It was called Kismat Connection.
07:09Atif also sang a song in that.
07:12And in Juhi Chawla, she plays a fortune teller type.
07:16So she says one thing to Shahid Kapoor.
07:18Then after two days, she says something else.
07:20So Shahid Kapoor says, you said something else two days ago.
07:23So she says, that was the truth then.
07:24This is the truth now.
07:25The truth at that time was that we have allocated the tournament.
07:30The truth now is that we don't want to go to the tournament.
07:33So the people who were attending the meeting at that time,
07:39are not present anywhere today.
07:41There was Sauraj Ganguly from India.
07:43And Rameez Raja was there.
07:45Both are in the commentary box.
07:47And you can see them in everything else.
07:49Okay, tell us about the fans, Chandresh.
07:51What is the situation of the fans in India?
07:53What are they thinking about this?
07:57The fans will only watch cricket on TV, on digital.
08:01Because those people don't travel as much as they would have been there before.
08:07Wherever there is a match.
08:09Like when there was a match in the USA, we reached there.
08:11So everyone is waiting for cricket to happen.
08:13And some fun.
08:17So I think these things come out when India and Pakistan are not playing cricket.
08:24And then when the series starts, then no one talks about it later.
08:27Pakistan's one-day series is over.
08:29These things are coming out in the middle of T20.
08:31India also had a gap before the test series.
08:33So the talks are going on.
08:35Let's see what happens in the coming days.
08:37The solution will be ready in advance.
08:41Which we don't know about.
08:43Chandresh, can you imagine that scenario?
08:45That India and Pakistan don't have any match in the Champions Trophy?
08:47Can you imagine no match in the Champions Trophy?
08:51You must have made a contract with the sponsor.
08:57You must have promised a certain number of matches to India and Pakistan.
09:01In the duration of 7-8 years.
09:03What is that contract?
09:05What is the legal status?
09:07We don't know that.
09:09And it is not possible that we play in the semi-final.
09:13Or play in the final.
09:15We played in the final in 2017.
09:19So anything can happen.
09:21Thank you very much, Chandresh Narayan.
09:23Bharti was also with us.
09:25He was telling us the story of that side.
09:27But Mr. Shahid, this is a very big issue.
09:29And the Pakistan government is involved in this.
09:31I don't understand.
09:33Tell me a little bit.
09:35As he said, whenever there is a deadlock in the cricket of both countries,
09:39then the government talks on the level.
09:41So why didn't the lobbying start from our side?
09:45That the team should be sent on the level of the government.
09:47Pakistan is aware of the cricket board.
09:49In any board meeting, India did not give this indication.
09:53That we will not come.
09:55It was definitely said that we will travel.
09:57So we need permission from our government.
09:59The permission of the government is required.
10:01But in the board meeting, sometimes Pakistan is told that you are preparing for the Champions Trophy.
10:05You are upgrading.
10:07You are making your plans.
10:09But we will not come without the permission of the government.
10:11If this was an indication.
10:13Yes, the Pakistan Cricket Board should have lobbied from the beginning.
10:17The Indian Cricket Board may also have this reason.
10:21Because they had to do the 2023 World Cup.
10:23They had to call Pakistan in it.
10:25They had to play a marquee match in Ahmedabad.
10:27They had to shake the whole world with it.
10:29They had to do a kick-off of the ODI World Cup.
10:33So they thought, let's wait until then.
10:35Let's not say anything until then.
10:37Let's wait until the ODI World Cup.
10:39Exactly.
10:41I don't understand one thing.
10:43We are sitting here and thinking that when the Big 3 issue happened.
10:45The MOU was also signed in that.
10:47So many series will be played.
10:49So much India-Pakistan cricket will be played.
10:51What happened?
10:53At the end, it was subject to government approval.
10:55That was a different case.
10:57It was signed on a piece of paper.
10:59There was no agreement.
11:01Despite that, Pakistan went to the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee.
11:05And that committee said that you don't have any authentic proof.
11:09And Pakistan had to pay 2 million dollars for all the expenses.
11:13Absolutely right.
11:15Let's take a commercial break here.
11:17Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.
11:21Glad to have you back once again to Sports Room.
11:23Before going to the break,
11:25Mr. Shahid was reminding us when India came to Pakistan.
11:27The last time India came to Pakistan was in 2008.
11:29And in these 16 years,
11:31Pakistan has visited India three times.
11:35Mr. Shahid, the program is coming to an end.
11:37I would like to know what should be the stance of the Pakistan government and the Pakistan Cricket Board.
11:45We can't bow down every time.
11:47Hybrid model is an insult.
11:49The government of Pakistan has conveyed itself.
11:53And they say that you shouldn't accept the Champions Trophy on a hybrid model.
11:57And pull out from the Champions Trophy.
11:59This will be a strong reaction.
12:01Whether Pakistan can stand on it or not.
12:03There will be financial implications.
12:05Pakistan won't get the fees for hosting rights.
12:07Broadcaster will say that this is a big match.
12:11We are getting a loss.
12:13If Pakistan is ready to bear that financial loss, so be it.
12:17Can't we go to court?
12:19We have to look at this legal point.
12:21Pakistan is on a good strong footing.
12:23Because India never indicated in the board meeting.
12:27Pakistan is on a strong footing.
12:31If other countries lobby and support Pakistan.
12:35Pakistan will be on a good strong footing.
12:39Thank you very much, Mr. Shahid.
12:41That's all for today.
12:43Take care of yourself.
12:45Allah Hafiz.