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00:00Welcome to Sports Room, I am your host Najeeb Ul-Hasnain.
00:18Ladies and gentlemen, big news.
00:19At midnight, Babur Azam posted on social media that he will no longer be the captain of the Limited Overs format.
00:28He has said that he will continue to provide his services as a player and will focus on his batting.
00:34The update is that the Pakistan Cricket Board has approved his resignation.
00:39The PCB has said that they will continue to support him.
00:42The decision will be made as to who will be the captain in the future.
00:47Here in the studio with me is our sports correspondent Shahid Hashmi.
00:50We have joined him through Skype, former cricketer Yasir Arfat.
00:53Assalam-o-Alaikum, welcome to the show.
00:55First of all, Shahid sahib, big news.
00:57But I won't call it timely.
00:59If it was timely, it would have been after the T20 World Cup.
01:02After such a long silence, I mean, all of a sudden?
01:06It was late, it was right.
01:08He made the right decision.
01:10But the delay was not right.
01:12It was so late that when you had lost the World Cup, you had decided that you wanted to play as a player.
01:19This extra burden came in the last three months.
01:24If this had been decided earlier, and the Pakistan Cricket Board is still not taking it seriously.
01:29It has been mishandled.
01:31You have given so much tenure to a captain.
01:35When you appointed him, you didn't give him any tenure.
01:37You said that it is an open-ended tenure.
01:39We will remove him whenever we want.
01:41We will play as long as we want.
01:42You say that he is the captain until the Champions Trophy.
01:44And then when he had lost the T20 World Cup,
01:47At that time, there would have been a review of Babar Azam's performance.
01:49He would have asked the head coach, he would have done all this.
01:52But if he has done all this,
01:54If your employer, who is your central contacted player, is announcing it on Twitter.
02:00He is not telling you, he is not telling you.
02:02You don't understand anything.
02:04You go and meet the chairman tomorrow or any other day.
02:06And tell him that I don't understand how to fulfill this duty.
02:10You convince someone else.
02:12Yasir, this is a very strange thing.
02:15The silence for so long.
02:17And people were also a little surprised.
02:19This has happened for the first time.
02:21There has been post-mortem on better performances of the World Cup.
02:24And after such a bad performance,
02:26No one is saying anything.
02:27No coach has come and said anything.
02:29No questions are being asked from the captain.
02:31There was talk of surgery, but it didn't go ahead.
02:33What will you say?
02:35See, Assalam-o-Alaikum to you.
02:37And Assalam-o-Alaikum to the chat.
02:43Yes, Yasir.
02:45Yes, Yasir.
02:46There has been a technical problem in Skype.
02:48We will try to contact you again.
02:51Mr. Shahid.
02:52Actually, the situation now.
02:54First, you gave such a long time.
02:56And at that time, the results were not good.
02:59I feel that after 2023, when they were removed from the captaincy,
03:04Then this should not have been accepted.
03:06Because what we say that this team is playing badly today.
03:10First, it was playing well because of unity.
03:13When Shahid got the chance,
03:15It is also debatable whether he should have been the captain or not.
03:18But when he got the chance, he should have given it all.
03:20There, Babar should not have accepted the captaincy.
03:22What do you think?
03:23All this has been going on.
03:25And in Pakistan, I don't see any such example.
03:28That if someone is offered a captaincy,
03:30He says, no, I don't want to be a captain.
03:32You give it to someone else.
03:33Has this ever happened?
03:34I don't remember.
03:35I mean, in one or two cases,
03:37I mean, in one or two cases,
03:39I have heard that when Yunus Khan was told in the middle,
03:43He said, no, I don't want to do it.
03:45There have been two or three such incidents.
03:47I don't remember that only the captain will refuse.
03:49Babar Azam should not have done it.
03:51Obviously, he had failed the ODI World Cup.
03:54He knew that many of his players did not want him to be the captain.
03:58Or he was upset with his performance.
04:00And there were two or three players in it.
04:02A top official told me during the World Cup
04:05No, against Babar Azam, five or six players said
04:08No, he should have played as a captain.
04:10When it had come to this,
04:12After that, you accepted the captaincy again.
04:14I don't know what the problem is with the Pakistan Cricket Board.
04:17That an obvious candidate is visible, Mohammad Rizwan.
04:19Or openly say that Mohammad Rizwan has become old.
04:23Mohammad Rizwan has some other problem with him.
04:25We will not make Mohammad Rizwan.
04:27And even now you feel that something unique will come.
04:30To make a youngster say that this is long-term planning.
04:33Anything can happen.
04:35Let's go back to Yasir.
04:37Yasir, tell me, what is your take on the decision?
04:40I was talking, but he was speaking.
04:43If you remember, when the ODI World Cup was over,
04:47Gary Custon had made a report.
04:49Because of which we were all saying that
04:51The under-the-carpet PCB has done it.
04:53There was no implementation.
04:55I think the recommendation he gave,
04:57Especially about Babar's captaincy.
04:59Because he saw his captaincy in England.
05:01Whatever matches were coming from England.
05:03And even after going to the World Cup.
05:05I think this is the report.
05:07It has now happened that he has a captaincy.
05:09Because he had understood.
05:11That Babar is not a suitable candidate for the captaincy.
05:15He has already been a captain for 3-4 years.
05:17And other people were also saying that
05:19Gary Custon and Jason Gillispie.
05:21They have been colored in the system.
05:23I don't understand this.
05:25Rather, the first test was Bangladesh.
05:27In that, when Jason Gillispie saw that
05:29Shaheen has never been dropped.
05:31So when he saw that in that match.
05:33That level of pace was not coming.
05:35And he was not looking so effective.
05:37So he made an excuse.
05:39Or whatever you can say.
05:41That he was sent to rest.
05:43Or sent to his family.
05:45But I think he was not looking so effective.
05:47Because of which he had to take this decision.
05:49So I think it was right to give.
05:51And now this decision has been taken.
05:53Now let's see what their future planning is.
05:55Short term or long term.
05:57As you can see in other teams.
05:59If you look at England.
06:01England is preparing their captains.
06:03Like Harry Brook for the white ball.
06:05Butler is retiring now.
06:07So when you look at it like this.
06:09Where does Pakistan go?
06:11Either you have the option of Rizwan.
06:13It is an immediate option.
06:15But our problem is that
06:17we have very few options.
06:19If you look at other countries.
06:21They have a lot of leaders or captain material.
06:23We have a little lack in that.
06:25You make Rizwan the captain.
06:27And make him such a wise captain.
06:29On a permanent basis.
06:31Don't make him a wise captain.
06:33After a few days you change him.
06:35Make Rizwan the captain.
06:37And in your eyes.
06:39The future captain who can be a youngster.
06:41Give him a chance.
06:43Make him a regular wise captain.
06:45So that he can learn.
06:47There are 2-3 youngsters.
06:49In which Shadab's name is also there.
06:51In which Shadab's name is also there.
06:53In which Shadab's name is also there.
06:55Haris's name is also there.
06:57Saim Ayub's name is also there.
06:59Shadab doesn't have a place in white ball cricket.
07:01Haris doesn't have a place in white ball cricket.
07:03He didn't score a big score in the Champions Cup.
07:05He didn't play a winning knock.
07:07Saim Ayub.
07:09He is getting a permanent chance in T20.
07:11But he hasn't been able to convince himself yet.
07:13Now he is put in test cricket again.
07:15Because he had scored 50.
07:17What about Agha Salman?
07:19Agha Salman has an option.
07:21Agha Salman is not a youngster.
07:23He is not 24-25.
07:25But he can be a good choice.
07:27He can be a utility cricketer.
07:29Let's see what happens.
07:31Let's see what happens.
07:33I have a question from both.
07:35Some circles are saying.
07:37Gary Kirsten was saying.
07:39According to the news.
07:41Gary Kirsten didn't want to leave.
07:43Gary Kirsten didn't want to leave.
07:45He was interested in changing the captain of T20.
07:47He was interested in changing the captain of T20.
07:49Other circles are saying.
07:51Because new T20 was coming to Australia
07:55Then maybe Babur wouldn't want to leave the captaincy here.
07:59Then maybe Babur wouldn't want to leave the captancy here.
08:01What would you say to this?
08:03I don't know that whether he had an offer.
08:05I don't know that whether he had an offer.
08:07But the captaincy come with different strategies.
08:09But the captaincy come with different strategies.
08:11The one for Iq is...
08:13That comes instantly based on your mindset and your ground etc.
08:15That comes instantly based on your mindset and your ground etc.
08:17In the last 3-4 years, you have seen that they don't have the ability to defend at the right time.
08:24The issue of selection, when they used to talk to the players.
08:27This is one of the reasons that in the last 3-4 years, the player power has increased so much
08:34because of which your bench strength could not be prepared.
08:37Apart from that, you see, the former Chief Selector Mohammed Waseem also came and said
08:41that he will keep convincing the new players to try.
08:44If they want to improve their bench strength, they will never be able to agree with them.
08:47So there were a lot of things that were being piled up.
08:50Ultimately, our coaches, the coaches who were close behind,
08:55they did not have the courage to take such a decision.
08:59Now these foreign coaches have established a well-known, rural coach
09:03on whom they are making decisions.
09:04They want the Pakistan team to go towards improvement
09:07instead of playing old-school cricket like we have been playing for the last 4-5 years.
09:12We will have to change that a little bit.
09:13Aggressive.
09:14Because the one-day tournament that just happened,
09:17you see, you play against each other and perform well.
09:20It feels very good.
09:21But my question is, will these players be able to put the players of a big team under pressure
09:27when they play against Jofra Archer, Mark Wood or such bowlers?
09:32Or if our bowlers bowl against top-quality batsmen,
09:35will they be able to put them under pressure?
09:37This is a big question mark.
09:39I feel that they are not able to play against each other.
09:42They are not able to chase each other.
09:44Yasir, I would like to ask you a question.
09:46Yasir, you were with the Pakistan team on the New Zealand tour at the beginning of this year.
09:50Shaheen Shah Afridi was the captain.
09:52How did you find him the captain?
09:54Wasn't it injustice to remove him on the basis of a single series?
09:59Look, Shahid bhai, I was there for 10 days.
10:04Anyway, my short term was 5 matches.
10:06I was there for 10-12 days.
10:08But there were a lot of things that I was surprised to see myself.
10:11Because after playing in the Pakistan system, I retired in 2012.
10:15After that, I was not in the Pakistan system.
10:19But I kept following.
10:20But when I came, I stayed in Lahore for 8-10 days.
10:24I conducted it myself.
10:26After that, when the boys went to New Zealand with me,
10:29a lot of things came in front of me that I was surprised.
10:32The way the boys are playing cricket.
10:34Their mindset, fitness level, skill level.
10:37We are very behind.
10:38I work here in England in counties.
10:42I have also worked in Big Batch.
10:44I have also worked with big coaches.
10:46And I also follow the players.
10:48So I think we are still playing 10 years old cricket.
10:51These people have gone very far.
10:53And as far as Shaheen is concerned,
10:55in 5 matches, you can never decide who will be the captain.
11:00Yes, he has two captains in the domestic league.
11:04His energy is totally different.
11:07Yes, the boys did not perform.
11:08They did not do a collective performance.
11:10There was also an issue that the boys themselves were not willing
11:13to be successful.
11:15But I think that for any player and any captain,
11:19the results of 5 matches...
11:21There are a lot of examples like Imran Khan, Dhoni.
11:26And there are some who are learning on the job.
11:29Like Graham Smith.
11:30So I didn't see any quality in either of them.
11:33Baba did not improve.
11:35The better he is, the whole world believes him.
11:38He has played good innings.
11:41But he did not improve as a captain.
11:43The fearless cricket that is being played all over the world.
11:46There are a lot of such matches.
11:48Whether it's T20, one day, or test matches.
11:52In the white ball, it counts a lot.
11:54If you catch the team, kill them right there.
11:577 outs, 247 runs.
12:00In the last over, 12 runs are not defended.
12:02In the last two balls, 6-8 runs are not defended.
12:05Take the Sri Lanka match of the Asia Cup.
12:07Take the India T20 World Cup 2022 match.
12:10Take the Asia Cup final.
12:11There are a lot of such matches.
12:13So if a person makes a mistake once,
12:16it is called a mistake.
12:17But if he makes a mistake again and again,
12:19if he lets off the team,
12:21it means he is not used to it.
12:23We are not putting any records in this, Yasir.
12:27How many are there in B and C teams.
12:29Because many times we have had
12:312nd, 3rd strength teams of big teams.
12:34Absolutely.
12:36Whenever you discuss something like this,
12:39and this will still be my suggestion,
12:42that if you appoint anyone,
12:44with a lot of thought,
12:46whether it is a coach or a mentor,
12:49if you are going to make a big decision,
12:51you should look at the pros and cons.
12:54What will be the benefit and what will be the loss.
12:56When you understand,
12:58and once you have decided that
13:00Babar Azam is not good enough
13:02for the international captain,
13:03for the Pakistani team,
13:05then sit with him and discuss properly.
13:07And we have this problem too,
13:09that the transition of power is in the government.
13:11Whether it is the coach or the captain,
13:13or the chairman,
13:15this has never happened in a good way.
13:19So this is something that ultimately
13:21affects the dressing room.
13:23The atmosphere in the dressing room is ruined.
13:25We can see the reflection of that in the result.
13:28Absolutely right.
13:29No one can tolerate defeat.
13:31Many fans love Babar.
13:33They know that he is a very good player.
13:35But they are also realizing that
13:37the performance has been very bad for 2 years.
13:39It's not that he didn't come to the high point.
13:41In fact, he came to 2 high points in Pakistan.
13:44T20 World Cup final.
13:46He defeated India in 2021.
13:48We never defeated India.
13:50Babar Azam was a very high point captain.
13:52And Babar Azam's performance was also good in that.
13:54Then in 2022 T20 World Cup,
13:57Pakistan played the final again.
13:59He played while fighting.
14:00He did everything.
14:01But he came to these 2 high points.
14:03Cash on did not happen at these 2 high points.
14:05Absolutely right.
14:06We don't have much time from here.
14:08I would also like to know your opinion.
14:11Where is the world going?
14:13Let's see the test match of India.
14:15Rohit Sharma has taken so many selfless decisions.
14:19That we have to win somehow.
14:21Because the final of the World Test Championship is important.
14:25Sri Lanka is also doing well.
14:27Fastest 50. Fastest 100. Fastest 150.
14:31Fastest 200. Fastest 250.
14:33And declared at the lowest total.
14:36Because they had to win this match in 2.5 days.
14:38So we need such a captain.
14:40You don't have much time.
14:42I will do it soon.
14:44It will be harsh.
14:46Indian officials and cricket players are sincere with their cricket.
14:51We talk about conflict of interest.
14:53Look at Dravid.
14:54When he left all his work and did coaching for the national team.
15:00Similarly, Ganguly left all media work.
15:03Ravi Shastri left commentary and came to work.
15:05When he left, he came back.
15:07In our country, it is the opposite.
15:09Even if you talk about mentors.
15:11We have heard in their contracts.
15:13They are doing commentary in ICC.
15:15They are doing charity work.
15:17If you do such decisions.
15:19Then this will happen.
15:21We should separate our under-19 cricket.
15:23We should separate junior pathway cricket.
15:25We should separate domestic cricket.
15:27We should separate international cricket.
15:29Otherwise, if one or two people run all the cricket.
15:31Then you will see a messy PCB.
15:33Results will also look like this.
15:35Thank you very much.
15:37Yaseer Arfaat was with us.
15:39Shahid Ashmi was with us.
15:41That's all for today.
15:43Take care of yourself.
15:45Allah Hafiz.