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00:00Um, given the circumstances, given his lack of experience being thrust into this role.
00:04And so I still think Gerard Mayo is in really solid ground going into 2025.
00:09You know, the question is how different will it look around him?
00:13And I think there are fair questions to ask when it comes to that.
00:16Burp Rear prior to the game yesterday on NBC Sports, Boston, he's on solid ground.
00:24How about that?
00:25But the question is, what will it look like around him?
00:28Yeah, you can't bring everybody back.
00:29If you have three and 14, can you bring everybody back?
00:32No, you've been saying this for weeks and weeks.
00:34I don't think you can.
00:35And so I mean, you know, going into the year and even when they got off to a slow start
00:39and they were, you know, one in four, one in five, one in six, I still maintain that
00:44the relationship between Mayo and Kraft and the things that Kraft has said publicly just
00:49this year about Mayo would make it almost impossible to fire him.
00:54Almost.
00:55I mean, it's the NFL.
00:56Things can happen.
00:57You can get frustrated with how a season's going.
00:58You can not like how it's looked or it can be even worse than you expected.
01:01All that.
01:02But I just thought, because Gerard Mayo is the head coach and not also the GM like Belichick
01:08was, you can look at it and say, well, the roster stinks, not his fault.
01:13All the offensive coordinator, which isn't his specialty, like isn't as good as we thought,
01:17even though actually it might be.
01:18But like you can you can find scapegoats around Mayo if you're Kraft and be like, we're keeping
01:23him.
01:24We made the right call with him.
01:25But what we what we screwed up was everybody else.
01:26So I still lean into that more than not.
01:29I just don't know.
01:30And look, I trust Burt's reporting.
01:31He says he's on solid ground.
01:32He's probably on solid ground.
01:33I wouldn't do that, but I'm not running the Patriots.
01:37I just wonder if that defense like that sounds like the ownership defense.
01:40We knew we were a long ways away.
01:42We knew the roster was really poor.
01:44It's a long rebuild.
01:45So they think they're going to win fewer games this year.
01:49No, I there's no way they thought that.
01:50I don't think so either.
01:51And I just don't know if that's the defense they think it is.
01:54You guys didn't spend in free agency at all on outside talent.
01:58I mean, you brought you spent some to bring back your crummy players, but you didn't spend
02:02it all on outside talent and you didn't upgrade at obvious positions of need.
02:08Wide receiver tackle.
02:11You didn't spend any money at those positions, any significant money at those positions.
02:15So OK, they don't have the talent.
02:19You knew it was going to be a long rebuild.
02:20We didn't expect anything this year.
02:22I'm with you, Keith.
02:23I don't think they felt they would win fewer games than a year ago.
02:26I definitely didn't expect that.
02:28And number two, if the roster isn't good, whose fault is that?
02:31It's somewhat on the Wolfpack.
02:33There's no doubt about that, but he's significantly to blame.
02:40And maybe this is greasing the skids to hold him accountable.
02:42But Robert and Jonathan better look themselves in the mirror as well.
02:46If the roster and talent isn't good enough, whose fault is that?
02:48You guys didn't spend.
02:49That's on you.
02:50Do you feel like more wins next season than this past season?
02:54I do feel that way.
02:55OK, so we got you on record.
02:57You got me on record.
02:58Yeah.
02:59We're going to win more than four games.
03:00Yeah.
03:01I'm on record.
03:02You're on record?
03:03Absolutely.
03:04All right.
03:05Good.
03:06All right.
03:07Running out of chances.
03:08They needed this game yesterday to pay off on that prediction.
03:09Yeah.
03:10That bold take.
03:11No, exactly.
03:12No, because basically the plan and Elliott Wolf must have been on board with it.
03:15And it's all the stuff that they were saying at the beginning of the year about collaboration,
03:19less of a hard ass appeal and all of that stuff was we're bringing everybody back except
03:25for the two most important pieces, right?
03:27The head coach and the quarterback.
03:28So if we if we remove Bill Belichick and Mac Jones, we're going to be a lot better just
03:33by default.
03:34That's what I thought.
03:35Well, and you know what?
03:36Had you played Drake May right off the rip, maybe you'd have a chance, maybe, you know,
03:39and not that you're like, I also know that your bounds better, but maybe you win five
03:43games.
03:44I also assume they would give him a receiver.
03:46Yeah, I assume they would.
03:47I mean, look, they drafted one in the second round.
03:49They drafted the wrong one.
03:50True.
03:51But they drafted one.
03:52But I thought they would draft one in the second round with Drake May and go out and
03:55get true.
03:56If not a Calvin, somebody get somebody.
03:58They just did not.
03:59And they're a kid.
04:00I was born.
04:01Yeah.
04:02Yeah.
04:03So I was born.
04:04I just I just don't think that's quite the defense.
04:06They think it is.
04:07Oh, yeah.
04:08Oh, we knew he was getting thrust into a tough situation.
04:10And there's not a lot on the roster.
04:11But they they was fault.
04:13But they still need a fall guy, right?
04:14Don't they need to Chris Carter fall guy?
04:16Because if they can't just say, well, now we'll spend money, then it's like, why did
04:20you spend it last year?
04:21Right.
04:22It's like, well, no, we're going to spend money.
04:23But we're also going to have a new coordinator and a new this that the other when he says
04:27it's going to look different around Gerard Mayo.
04:29Burke, is that Covington or does it feel like it needs to be a bigger move than Covington?
04:33I think right now Covington makes the most sense just because the defense has been bad.
04:40And I know Mayo should be a defensive guy.
04:42But maybe you find somebody with more experience doing that.
04:46Van Pelt's done probably enough to keep it.
04:49But it's just the scared play calling yesterday.
04:52Yeah.
04:53I get it.
04:54I mean, we're going to talk to him tomorrow.
04:58I'd swing back to moving on from Van Pelt.
05:00Do what they did with Suriani and Philly.
05:01Fire both coordinators.
05:03You could do that.
05:04But then again, if you're not firing, I would fire Mayo.
05:06But if you're not doing that and he's on solid ground, then fire everybody around.
05:09All right.
05:10If it's not Van Pelt and I'm not like the biggest Alex Van Pelt defender by any means.
05:15But they interviewed 12 guys last year.
05:18One of them was Luke Getzey, who got fired.
05:21One was Shane Waldron, who looks like the worst offensive coordinator of all time.
05:25Like they went through a bunch of guys that either said no or took other jobs and failed.
05:31Like Van Pelt might look decent.
05:34What kind of dog and pony show of an interview process would we get?
05:36But don't you just think more guys are going to be lining up to work with May?
05:39Yeah.
05:40I hope.
05:41I mean, that would be the hope.
05:42And I know technically last year you probably had a good idea.
05:43You were going to be working with a young quarterback, but you hadn't seen what May
05:46looks like.
05:47I mean, I would say the best of that group, though, would be lined up to be the head coach
05:52for Caleb Williams.
05:53Fair.
05:54And then with the O.C.
05:55Yeah.
05:56Ben Johnson might take the Chicago job.
05:57And then you got to get the next guy.
05:58Yeah.
05:59Right.
06:00Paul and Medford's been waiting patiently.
06:01Go ahead, Paul.
06:02Paul?
06:03Paul?
06:04Listening to the show, though.
06:05Appreciate that.
06:06Paul?
06:07Paul, you there?
06:08Paul?
06:09Paul?
06:10Paul?
06:11He wanted to weigh in on the poor coaching, which felt topical.