Pese a la fría recepción que se pudo ver en la llegada de Javier Milei y su hermana Karina, el gobierno argentino aceptó firmar el documento de la cumbre del G20 que pide un esfuerzo especial a los países más importantes para luchar contra el hambre en el mundo.
Rodolfo Aguiar debate sobre el estado actual de la democracia en Argentina, con críticas hacia el gobierno actual y preocupaciones sobre los derechos vulnerados de los ciudadanos.
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Rodolfo Aguiar debate sobre el estado actual de la democracia en Argentina, con críticas hacia el gobierno actual y preocupaciones sobre los derechos vulnerados de los ciudadanos.
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00:00I greet Rodolfo Aguiar. Rodolfo, how are you?
00:02Very well, a pleasure to be here.
00:04Thank you, thank you for coming to a holiday that we know is always an effort.
00:08I want to show you in minutes part of what happened yesterday.
00:13Of course, we are aware of what the president may say.
00:16A greeting, I don't know if you saw it, very cold between Lula and Milano,
00:20logically because of, let's say, dissidents and distances that the two presidents have.
00:25Yes, I think it was to be expected.
00:27The policies that are being promoted in one country and another are absolutely contrary
00:33and of course what happened today was nothing more than a strictly protocol greeting.
00:38Can I add something?
00:39Yes, go ahead.
00:40I'll compare it with a football metaphor.
00:42Let's see.
00:43That greeting between Ramón Díaz and Maradona when they met again in a superclass,
00:49when Maradona was playing.
00:50Protocol.
00:51We greet each other.
00:52Or Enzo Pérez and Michelis, a little while ago.
00:56We greet each other, but nothing more.
00:59Yes, my law was also with the goal beyond that it will attract attention
01:03with some of the positions that go against what most of the West today defends,
01:08which is the fight against climate change,
01:10take care of gender policies, income distribution.
01:13Beyond that, there is an intention of my law in this G20
01:18to be able to meet with the most important leaders who are part of the G20.
01:22Well, we reiterate that in a moment President Milley will speak.
01:27I stay here, I stay here, I stay here, I stay here a few minutes
01:29because in a moment Milley will speak.
01:31That's what they're telling us.
01:33Rodolfo, about this image, if I can, I break the screen, I stay here,
01:37wait for the president to speak.
01:38Will there be more dismissals in the state?
01:40Well, without a doubt.
01:41Now they returned with the intention of taking exams.
01:45They are illegal evaluations outside of any existing legal framework
01:51with the sole purpose of continuing to stigmatize public employment
01:56and, of course, dismissing workers illegally.
02:00Prepare me for yesterday's Gordo Dan.
02:03I want to discuss it with Cata.
02:05I also want to think about it with Rodolfo Aguiar.
02:09In a moment Milley will speak.
02:11Prepare me for yesterday's Gordo Dan.
02:13I have a question for Aguiar, which is the following.
02:15Today Pablo Moyano on a radio said that he is preparing a general strike for December.
02:20Are you going to adhere? What do you think of that?
02:23We talked to him, we are also promoting it.
02:26So you are going to stop too.
02:28Tomorrow at 2 p.m. National Plenary Hours.
02:31Federal of ATE with more than 1,000 delegates will define new measures of force.
02:36I think we are going to orient ourselves to carry them out in the first week of December.
02:40But why a general strike?
02:41A general strike? Are you going to commit to that, Moyano?
02:44A general state strike.
02:46We have to manage to twist the arm of the government
02:50and the accomplices who sign increases in Argentina below inflation,
02:55as happens to us in the National Public Administration.
02:58We have come to show that they are dismantling, emptying, looting military factories.
03:05That is, the policies of the government have caused more than 16,500 SMEs to be founded in our country.
03:12Now they want to destroy state-owned companies.
03:15And this general strike is going to be of truck drivers, because Moyano said so.
03:18You also say of state-owned companies.
03:20And can it be added, for example, to the transport guilds?
03:22We discuss, of course, we discuss within the framework of our CTA, which is the Autonomous CTA.
03:27There is an interesting process of reunification that we promote from the two working centers.
03:33We have coincided with the transport unions.
03:36Pablo Moyano turned, Pablo Moyano turned, Brey, Maturano.
03:42I am one of those who always see the glass half full.
03:45And I tell you that the last time we stopped the state-owned companies for 36 hours,
03:49together with all the transport unions, in the country we faced almost the effects of a general strike.
03:55Wait a minute, the image shows Joe Biden.
03:58There was a lot of talk in the last hours of a video, even where Biden finishes a speech.
04:02The cognitive deterioration of the President of the United States is news in the world.
04:06He turned around in the last hours and got lost as if in a forest.
04:10They had to go looking for him.
04:11There the President of the United States is sitting.
04:14In minutes, he speaks, my law, and there are expectations about what he can say there at the G20 summit.
04:21And what is happening, Facu, in a context of international tension.
04:26Because in the last hours, Joe Biden authorized Ukraine to respond to Russia with long-range US missiles.
04:35Which the Kremlin did not like at all.
04:38Putin said, they are putting their finger in the wound, they are provoking.
04:42And there is international concern if the conflict in Ukraine is going to escalate.
04:46There is Lula, sitting, drinking a little water, looking at the clock.
04:49About this, without leaving here, I want to put the images of what happened in the last hours.
04:55Which was the launch, the launch of the armed arm of advanced freedom.
05:02It is not something that I say, but it was presented in this way by Daniel Parissini.
05:09Yes, Daniel Parissini, who is better known as the fat Dan.
05:12He is one of the favorite twitterers of the government.
05:15And so he presented it.
05:16The force of heaven that is forming here today, among us, is the armed arm of advanced freedom.
05:35It is the pre-torian guard of President Javier Midell.
05:42We are his most loyal soldiers.
05:45Those who were from the beginning and those who will be until the end.
05:58And we will be until the end, defending the project of the country, of our leader Javier Midell.
06:05And defending his ideals.
06:07Which are?
06:08The ideals of the president.
06:10He himself always says it.
06:12It is liberalism.
06:13It is a very strict respect of the project of life of oneself.
06:16Based on the principle of emancipation and the defense of the right to life, freedom and private property.
06:23Dejavo.
06:24Dejavo.
06:25Well, up to there, the fat Dan.
06:27That presentation with an aesthetic that I think is very important.
06:32Well, up to there, the fat Dan.
06:34That presentation with a particular aesthetic.
06:38Only they incorporated the idea of an armed arm.
06:42Rodolfo, what look do you have from the syndicalism of this?
06:45No, this is very worrying.
06:47Of course, for now, it is no more than a group.
06:51They talk about an armed arm, right?
06:53I have neither acquaintances nor acquaintances who adhere to the fascist ideas that were presented at the launch of this supposed group.
07:01Of course, there is also concern.
07:04Democracy is at risk.
07:06The levels of violence, of authoritarianism of this national government are not compatible with democracy.
07:14I say it is worrying.
07:15What did he say?
07:16I think we are abandoning ...
07:18What worried you?
07:19What did he say?
07:20The aesthetics.
07:21Many talked about a media-fascist aesthetic.
07:22Mussolini.
07:23No, I think everything.
07:24I think optimism is that we are leaving a state of narcotization.
07:30There is a society that appeared as narcotized.
07:34Indifference is a lethal poison that has been supplied to us during these eleven months.
07:39We have to wake up.
07:40Anyway, let's be careful with the terms.
07:43It is okay for them to talk about an armed arm like us.
07:48It is a risk to raise that democracy is at risk.
07:51Of course, because democracy is not at risk.
07:53I obviously took the job of checking and what can you ask these people?
07:59Was the armed arm literal?
08:01No.
08:02Armed arm because we are a patrol on social networks.
08:06We are a group that is activated on social networks.
08:08The weapon is the keyboard.
08:10The weapon are the networks where we are strong.
08:12Now, clearly, I tell you, if they say it this way, they are provoking.
08:17I have been on this program many times.
08:20I have said, if you are doing well, my law is going to be good for all of us.
08:24And I think you have asked me if I was a hitman.
08:26It seems to me that not everyone is measured with the same bullet.
08:29I do not understand what you are saying.
08:30We are absolutely permissive with my law and all these disastrous people who govern Argentina.
08:37As long as they put a magnifying glass on us in front of each term that we issue.
08:42No, no, no.
08:43What I'm saying is that we have to be very precise because we have more than 40 years of democracy.
08:48That is, democracy is at risk.
08:50It cost a lot, right?
08:51It cost a lot and today democracy is not at risk.
08:53These young people clearly ...
08:54Tell the retirees to stick sticks and throw gas at them and end up in the hospital if democracy is at risk.
09:00Tell us that they violate our rights every day and kick us out like dogs in this country,
09:06despite the fact that we have stability.
09:08I don't like that.
09:09If democracy is not at risk.
09:11Constitutional rights are being violated.
09:14Therefore, not only democracy, but the Republic.
09:17They are in danger in Argentina.
09:19No, let's see.
09:20The situations you describe, I don't like them.
09:22I don't like that to happen in this country.
09:24And there are many things that erode the quality of democracy in this government.
09:27We are going to let it pass.
09:29But you can't say that because of this group that wanted to make a horrible provocation,
09:33really very unfortunate.
09:35Can I intervene a little, Cata?
09:36Yes.
09:37We assume that everyone knows who El Gordo Dan is.
09:40Yes.
09:41And the truth is that people have so many troubles today that ...
09:43El Gordo Dan is still very well known.
09:45But I don't know if ...
09:46Let's see.
09:47I don't know if it's not a microclimate of networks or us,
09:50that usually ...
09:51Who is it really?
09:52Let's draw a little profile so that people know who this man is.
09:56Cata.
09:57Let's see.
09:58His name is Daniel Paricino and he is a tweeter who became very friends with Miley
10:01from just how strong he was in networks because of his fanaticism
10:04to the ideas of freedom and to the ideas that Miley, already in the campaign,
10:08began to spread.
10:10And when Miley assumes, well, he has a central place in everything that is social networks
10:16that support the government of Miley.
10:18He is not in La Casa Rosada like other libertarian tweeters who do have their center there,
10:23but he clearly responds to denouncing, to defending the government of Miley.
10:30Sure.
10:31Sure.
10:32I want to hear El Gordo Dan again and hear again how he launches this group
10:39called The Forces of Heaven.
10:42Yes.
10:43The group is called The Forces of Heaven.
10:46The Forces of Heaven.
10:47And let's see, there were all the most important members of what is the youth of the government of Miley
10:54that I am going to tell you a little bit about why they were there.
10:57For example, Agustín Laje, who is one of the thinkers of the government of Miley
11:02and who says a lot about what ideas to defend.
11:07And Cata was like the stellar guest, Agustín Laje, right?
11:10Exactly.
11:11A stellar guest who was also setting up the Faro Foundation, for example.
11:14But in this specific act where The Forces of Heaven are launched,
11:18you have Agustín Laje, Agustín Romo too, who is one of the most important digital arms
11:24that the government of Miley has and who also responds to Santiago Caputo.
11:28There was Nahuel Sotelo, who is now in the Secretariat of Culture,
11:32which depends on the Argentine Chancellery, and Santiago Santurio too.
11:36They were all at this launch.
11:38When I asked this group again who participated in the launch of The Forces of Heaven,
11:43what they told me was that it was not literally obvious, that it was not literally about the armed arm again.
11:49I obviously questioned them when I asked them.
11:52Because I tell them, why do they use that term if they know that they are provoking
11:56and it is horrible knowing that we live in democracy
11:59and that those things seem to me that they are not good to put on the public agenda in this way.
12:03Well, they played with that.
12:05They are young people who at some point are looking at the way that the campora of Kirchnerism had,
12:11which of course did not use these violent expressions at all.
12:15But it is Miley's young arm that is very strong in social networks.
12:21There is a time and a part of Miley's government that is formalized in the Casa Rosa
12:26and they have a place where all the tweeters are and they communicate from there.
12:31There is another part that are like those of El Gordo Dan,
12:34and many others that they say are called, self-called fanatics,
12:37that when the campaign ended and Miley won on television,
12:41many times they were heard and they said,
12:43Maza, the fatties on Twitter beat you.
12:45Well, there are many of these fanatics who say that they do not charge,
12:48you have to see, because well, the Miley government also has its streaming channels,
12:53or at least streaming channels that El Gordo Dan offices a program
12:57that is in a libertarian streaming channel where, well, it is called La Misa
13:02and it clearly propagates the perhaps strongest ideas that the Miley government has.
13:07And we listen at this moment again to El Gordo Dan
13:11talk and launch this group, Las Fuerzas del Cielo,
13:14which is the militant group of the young people of Miley and said it this way.
13:18Mainly I want to tell you that the group Fuerzas del Cielo
13:24that is being formed here today among us
13:27is the armed arm of La Libertad Avanza.
13:41It is the pre-Torino guard of President Javier Miley.
13:55They are his most loyal soldiers,
13:58those who were from the beginning and those who will be until the end.
14:09And we will be until the end defending the project of the country,
14:14of our leader Javier Miley and defending his ideals.
14:18What are they?
14:20The ideals of the president, he himself always says it,
14:23it is liberalism that is restricted to the project of life of the people,
14:27based on the principle of emancipation
14:30and the defense of the right to life, liberty and private property.
14:36Well, so far El Gordo Dan in this very particular presentation
14:42that has generated a great stir.
14:44No, of course, because it was not innocent that they say armed arm.
14:47I checked it later and they tell you it was not armed arm,
14:50it is a way of saying because we are strong in the networks,
14:53but that election is not innocent, clearly.
14:56I want us to go to my law, let my law go,
15:00let this government end.
15:02Eye, eye, but no, eye.
15:04It is not literal, it is not what I meant to say, it is not literal.
15:10But you are saying it ironically, it seems to me.
15:12Of course, of course.
15:15In the same way that they say it is ironic,
15:18this barbarity that is anti-democratic that these people are raising.
15:23What I do tell you, Cata, so that we think the four.
15:26I'm not going to defend them, it's just as horrible.
15:28No, no, no, what I say is, a judicial cause is taking place in Brazil
15:32that involves our country, because there are 61 Bolsonaristas
15:36who are here in Argentina, they asked for political asylum
15:38and the federal justice is not giving them, or rather,
15:42the federal justice is acting at the request of the court of justice
15:46and it was discovered that many of them were part of troll armies
15:50who launched that attempt to take the high floor.
15:54Of course.
15:55So there is a relationship.
15:57In the Capitol too, that's why at the time,
15:59when Twitter was not yet from Elon Musk,
16:01Trump was taken out of Twitter because he incited these patrols
16:05that one never knows if they are paid, financed,
16:08there is always the doubt of who is behind.
16:11There is someone, yesterday there were members of the government
16:14at the launch of this group, they are financing this type of activities.
16:18I think, I consider, let's see how we think,
16:21that not even this favors the government.
16:23You don't know, because you know that the story of
16:27it was already, Kirchnerism is everything that brought us here,
16:31in the youth that grew up with Kirchnerism
16:35as the only long government they had,
16:38that many join this discourse,
16:40this right-wing, libertarian discourse is in fashion,
16:44which helps many, many others will scare us.
16:47It's in fashion, Rodolfo.
16:48No, I think that in front of what is being said,
16:52there is a past, that is, it is always voiced,
16:56it is questioned, it is criticized the previous governments
16:59and there is a future, because they tell you,
17:01within 30 years Argentina will be a world example,
17:05that is, within 30 years we will be fine.
17:07What is not there is present,
17:09what we have to discuss in Argentina
17:11is what is happening now with our retirees
17:14and with our retirees, because those,
17:16that certain stabilization of macroeconomic indices,
17:20that the inflation goes down,
17:22that the dollar remains stable,
17:24that the exchange rate breaks down,
17:27that the country's risk falls,
17:29nobody cares.
17:31We have to talk less about the economy,
17:33we have to talk less about the economy
17:35and we have to talk more about the problems
17:37that people face every day.
17:38What you see on the screen is live,
17:40the permanent signal of the G20 summit,
17:43which is also worth, Cata, to explain well,
17:46why it is important that Argentina is there
17:48at the G20 summit.
17:50A cold, formal, protocol greeting was already given,
17:53but a greeting at the end,
17:55between the presidents, let's say,
17:57of the commercial partners,
17:59there you see it, Perico Pinedo.
18:03I'm preparing Cristina,
18:05who also spoke in the last few hours.
18:07What were you saying, Cata?
18:09The novelty of these last few hours at the G20,
18:12because there were some doubts that it was going to be
18:14my law as a foreign policy at the G20,
18:16is that Argentina joined the world alliance
18:19against hunger and poverty
18:21that Brazil and Lula da Silva are promoting.
18:23So, well, that's something important to take into account.
18:27I was in doubt that it was going to be my law,
18:30because he was the only one who had not joined the initiative
18:33and at the beginning of the summit...
18:36Let's remember, Cata, let's remember that in minutes,
18:39in instants, my law speaks.
18:41You will see it here on the A24 screen.
18:44Joe Biden is still sitting there.
18:46The man comes out of this gesture...
18:49He lost his role, right?
18:51Yes, with a paper in his hand.
18:53He is sitting since he arrived.
18:55Yes, a Joe Biden also hit, obviously,
18:57because he had to run from candidacy to president.
19:00Very pressured by the donors of the Democratic Party,
19:03who saw the cognitive deterioration of the president of the United States.
19:08Screen break.
19:10Cristina spoke in the last few hours.
19:12In a moment, my law speaks.
19:14Argentina pendulates from my law to Cristina permanently.
19:16There doesn't seem to be anything in the middle.
19:18There doesn't seem to be anything in the middle today.
19:20Cristina, let's listen to her.
19:22Let's see if anyone believes that the president-elect of the United States
19:27looks like this one.
19:29Please, please.
19:32This one looks like a koala, pointed up there.
19:37Clown.
19:39Humiliating.
19:41We Argentines don't deserve these humiliations.
19:46We deserve better things.
19:49My law looks like a koala.
19:51Yes, a clown.
19:53A clown, said Cristina.
19:55Because, of course, Aguiar is always the current head of the Justice Party.
20:01Cristina, with the seal in the background,
20:03when she has made so much criticism of the party,
20:06but well, it doesn't matter.
20:08What Cristina raises is that the economic protectionist view of Trump
20:13is very different from that of Milley, right?
20:15Well, we say, without a doubt,
20:17but they destroy, as they now intend to destroy the government,
20:20the military factories that are dismantling them.
20:22We have denounced the authorities.
20:25They were there for 11 months.
20:27They left the numbers in red.
20:29They charged millionaire salaries.
20:31They went on vacation and then they renounced,
20:33leaving them on the brink of bankruptcy.
20:36That's what they're doing.
20:38At the same time, they open imports,
20:4016,500 PYMEs are funded,
20:43and the multinationals that are here, what are they starting to do?
20:46They reconvert, and then they're going to start importing
20:49and they have to close the local companies.
20:51What is at stake is the country's model.
20:53This is a huge joke,
20:56that Milley is participating in the Global Hunger Alliance,
20:59when he was the president who made hunger grow the most in our country.
21:03Really? Are we going to believe him?
21:06Well, but it would have been very serious, Cata, if he hadn't signed.
21:08No, no, he signed.
21:10Because he came in consonance with many things that happen around the United Nations,
21:14he didn't come to sign.
21:16Exactly, he withdrew from the World Climate Summit,
21:18he withdrew diplomatic personnel,
21:20and also last week he didn't sign,
21:22and it was the only country in the world that didn't sign,
21:24a UN resolution to defend and protect the rights
21:28and violence to women of violence,
21:31to women and children.
21:33Now, if you know...
21:35There's Milley's girlfriend.
21:36Wait, attention, Milley is talking to Yerpa,
21:38who is Federico Pinedo.
21:40A little further was Carina Milley.
21:42Milley is not taking off.
21:44President Boric is not taking off for a minute.
21:46And they have an important agenda.
21:48I'm going to tell you things that are happening,
21:50because, for example, there is the Minister of Economy,
21:52Luis Toto Caputo, who, I told you,
21:54tomorrow is going to meet with Kristalina Georgieva,
21:56and she's going to be important, because she's the head of the International Monetary Fund.
21:58There's a lot to talk about,
22:00there's the signal, just like the presidency,
22:02there's a lot to talk about and it's not happening yet.
22:04But something important is that
22:06Argentina is going to sign an agreement with Brazil,
22:08despite that cold greeting with Lula,
22:11so that Argentina's dead cow gas
22:13arrives in Brazil.
22:15And this is very important,
22:17considering the entry of foreign currencies
22:19into Argentina.
22:21And this thing that we talked about several times,
22:23like Facu, that on the one hand
22:25there's the personal relationship
22:27that Milley and Lula can have,
22:29and on the other hand
22:31there's the pragmatism of our president,
22:33who is about to sign this important agreement
22:35for the dead cow,
22:37and for the entry of Argentinean dollars.
22:39Wait a minute, Cata, about this image,
22:41what's going on in military factories?
22:43Can you tell us?
22:45From ATE, we've been able to verify,
22:47it was the workers themselves
22:49who took images,
22:51filmed how
22:53uniformed personnel
22:55started an emptying, a looting
22:57of military factories,
22:59in this case in Rio Tercero,
23:01removing part of the production,
23:03machinery,
23:05the sheds are going to be empty.
23:07Can there be about a thousand sheds?
23:09Well, there are 1,100 workers,
23:11and they also generate
23:134,000 indirect jobs in the factories.
23:15There's not only production
23:17of ammunition,
23:19gunpowder, explosives,
23:21but there's also
23:23a metal-mechanical production,
23:25repair of trains,
23:27wagons, army jeeps,
23:29or chemical production,
23:31like ammonia,
23:33and many others
23:35that make it profitable.
23:37Why did they just transform
23:39military factories
23:41from being a state-owned company
23:43into an anonymous, universal company,
23:45with the shareholder package
23:47in the hands of the Ministry of Defense?
23:49Are there going to be road cuts
23:51in the facilities?
23:53We do not rule out carrying out
23:55all those actions that are necessary
23:57to prevent the emptying
23:59and closing that the government
24:01of military factories wants to do.
24:03Thank you, Rodolfo.