CASO LOAN: "TODOS DICEN QUE ELLAS SABEN MÁS" - Rafael Palacios sobre Macarena y Camila
TRASLADARON A MACARENA Y CAMILA.
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00:00My concern, Omar, while you connect to Hanson,
00:07what is the fear that people have?
00:13Because you know that if the abduction of a 13-year-old minor
00:18and it does not appear implies that without evidence,
00:23without antecedent, not with much evidence,
00:26you will start to fall many in the minimum.
00:29The two-thirds of the sentence has been met,
00:32you can start to have...
00:34Transitional exits.
00:35Transitional exits, yes.
00:37That is, in a year you would be on the street.
00:39Why would I get into the mud
00:42declaring something that can lead me to a much greater sentence?
00:46Of course, of course.
00:47But the analysis you do is very concrete
00:49and it is the reality of what has been happening so far.
00:51Let's see, we always talk to Carlos.
00:53The reality is this,
00:55they are not going to give any contribution to the cause
00:59because giving any kind of contribution would complicate them more
01:03than so far, evidently, they are not complicated.
01:06What happens is that if everything continues like this,
01:08what is the next step?
01:09Elevation to trial.
01:11I mean, they go to trial, they have no evidence and they are expelled.
01:14Of course, of course, of course.
01:16What happens?
01:17Why would they confess?
01:18You can be condemned in a sense called healthy criticism.
01:21I can, without any kind of evidence,
01:24but you can be condemned.
01:25In the first instance, a court.
01:27Then, of course, there is the House of Appeals
01:29that is going to review that error.
01:31Then, precisely, the judges have to work
01:34not to give a verdict,
01:36but for the future appeals that the House of Appeals is going to have.
01:39But let's see, I have an ignorant question on the matter.
01:44When a court fails something,
01:48does the House of Appeals have to review the errors
01:50or do they not go against it?
01:52They have to review the law.
01:53Precisely, what they have to do,
01:55if there was any misapplication of the articulation,
01:58it is not going to be included in the facts,
02:01but some erroneous application of the articulation
02:05to review the law and change it.
02:07You are making it difficult for me.
02:08And if it is difficult to speak, who understands?
02:09You can change it.
02:10You can change it, yes, of course.
02:12If for justice, for the court that is going to condemn you,
02:15says, I don't know,
02:17I give as proof that the test of the dogs that sniffed is positive,
02:23and you go to the trial and it says, no, teacher,
02:26it was not failed in the high court.
02:28Of course.
02:29Can you turn it around?
02:30Of course, of course.
02:32But does the trial usually go against the judge?
02:35Look, the trials of the Federal Court of Appeals
02:38or of the Federal Capitol are very concrete, very correct,
02:41and they go through a lot of failures and they turn them around.
02:44And what happens?
02:45What happens?
02:46We have here a justice in itself,
02:49two causes, one in the Federal Court of Appeals
02:51and another in the Provincial Court of Appeals.
02:53In the Provincial Court of Appeals, forget it.
02:54In the Provincial Court of Appeals,
02:55not in Corrientes, not in Buenos Aires,
02:56and nothing, unfortunately, forget it.
02:58What is done in a court almost never reverts it to hunting.
03:03Capitol or Nation, or the National Forum or the Federal Forum,
03:07yes, yes, they are very pro,
03:10people who really want the right and can turn it around.
03:13That's why the judge,
03:14realize that at this point we don't have a trial.
03:17At this point, violating any rule,
03:20the trials don't have a date.
03:23It is understood that they are,
03:24suggest the code that it has to be at 10 days.
03:26At 10 days.
03:28Imagine if we go over.
03:29They extended the investigation stage,
03:31the instruction stage.
03:32They renewed it for four months.
03:33Until March.
03:34Now one wonders,
03:35what else can they generate from the evidence
03:38that they haven't done until now?
03:39Nothing, unfortunately, no.
03:41Hopefully they find tomorrow where Lohan is and take them.
03:44But, unfortunately,
03:46they are not going to generate absolutely no trial.
03:48Now I ask you,
03:49and I don't know if Rafa Palacios is already connected,
03:51because he has information regarding the statements,
03:55actually the psychological, psychiatric tests,
03:58to Camila and Macarena at some point.
04:02Actually, for a while now,
04:03it has been said that they can be the two new detainees.
04:08Weird, isn't it?
04:09Weird, strange.
04:11We welcome Rafa,
04:13and now he explains to me if this is normal.
04:15How are you, Rafa, fine?
04:17How are you, Diego?
04:19Greetings to you, to Nahuel, to Zakir,
04:21to Lucía and to the whole team.
04:23Good.
04:24Day...
04:25How many days?
04:26I already lost 140.
04:27Carlos' service.
04:28Carlos doesn't exist, nothing happens.
04:29This always has a problem with the people on the floor.
04:32There is always...
04:33No, but...
04:34You always have to send greetings to
04:36Carlos.
04:38I answer all the messages.
04:40How he took advantage of the moment.
04:42It's fast.
04:43It's incredible.
04:44It repeats itself several times.
04:46What is known about Macarena and Camila?
04:48That they had to declare.
04:50Very strange, isn't it?
04:51After more than 140 days,
04:53that they have just now done an examination.
04:55One understands well why,
04:57if not, it has to do with a deepening of the measure
05:01and a possible detention.
05:04This morning, they were transferred to Salta,
05:08where the psychological and psychiatric examinations will be carried out.
05:11Why in Salta?
05:13Because Salta has,
05:14the Public Prosecutor's Office of Salta,
05:16has, let's say, within it,
05:19a psychological group of forensic psychologists
05:23and also the psychological and psychiatric part
05:27are really among the best in the country.
05:30That is why it has been requested
05:32that they be carried out there.
05:34Well, towards Salta,
05:35the results of the psychological and psychiatric examinations
05:38are obviously not yet known.
05:42It is important and one believes
05:45that it is the first step
05:47to then make some kind of decision
05:49regarding it.
05:51I don't think the decision is the same for both.
05:55For me, the decision would be for one of them.
05:59And the presumption that there is,
06:01obviously, let's say,
06:03what one should know
06:05and what one is knowing
06:07is that perhaps the most committed
06:09is, in this case, Macarena.
06:12Do you know for a fact
06:14why these examinations are carried out?
06:17Does it have to do with the cause
06:19of the disappearance of Loan strictly,
06:21let's say, for that reason,
06:23or with some issue
06:25related to the tenancy
06:27of the minors who, we know,
06:29were in El Naranjal?
06:32No, fundamentally,
06:34with the fact of the cause.
06:36No, they are to see
06:38the features of the personality
06:40of each of them, let's say,
06:42to make a psychological profiling
06:44of both Macarena
06:46and Camila.
06:48It is not related to the minors and others.
06:50I ask you because,
06:52I mean, the other commensals
06:54who are not detained,
06:55for example, I don't know, José Padre,
06:57as far as we know,
06:58no kind of examination was done.
07:00I mean, there could be the difference
07:02that this has some more
07:04legal implication, right?
07:06What happens is that we also remember
07:08that, precisely,
07:10both, in many opportunities,
07:12have said one thing at a time,
07:14then they have said another,
07:16and well, they want,
07:17it seems to me that it is important
07:19to know this.
07:20And also, fundamentally,
07:22if perhaps her behavior
07:24has to do with this situation,
07:26because she always,
07:27what have they said?
07:28She feels intimidated,
07:30that maybe that's why she doesn't speak,
07:32and so on, and well,
07:33these examinations will determine
07:35if these circumstances are true.
07:36If perhaps she knows,
07:38many believe
07:40that she knows much more
07:42than they actually say about this.
07:44It seems to me that that is why
07:45they are going to carry out the examination,
07:47to see if they are lying,
07:49how far they can go
07:50in relation to this issue,
07:51but it seems to me
07:52that it would not go beyond
07:53the issue of minors,
07:54because Macarena is in charge
07:56of her brothers
07:58on behalf of her mother,
08:00we remember,
08:01the two children of Adelina
08:02with Benitez,
08:04let's say, on this side.
08:06And here would be an important issue
08:08that at some point
08:09they spoke of as a judicial strategy.
08:11What would it be?
08:12In the case of being arrested
08:14Macarena,
08:16the children would go to
08:18an institution, right?
08:19Because they would have
08:20no one else to take care of them.
08:22Benitez's father
08:23is not in good condition,
08:24Benitez is in jail,
08:25Adelina is in jail,
08:27and Macarena too.
08:28She could be arrested.
08:30So in that case,
08:31what happens to the children?
08:32A strategy that is always,
08:33always spoken of,
08:35that would be a possibility
08:36that could lead
08:38to the murder of Adelina.
08:39Sure, for Adelina,
08:40Adelina goes out to talk,
08:42turns on a fan,
08:44if she knows something,
08:45she will say it at that moment.
08:46But how is it true
08:47that on the 140th day
08:49of the commission of a crime,
08:51they take two witnesses
08:53to an investigation?
08:55It's strange.
08:56No, no, it won't have
08:57any kind of value.
08:58Do you see any precedent in this?
09:00No, no, no.
09:01There is something that I think
09:02we are losing sight of.
09:03All this is the new age
09:05of the judicial process.
09:07There are things that were never seen
09:09and are happening now.
09:10They implement methods
09:12that were never implemented.
09:14And it's really pathetic, right?
09:16Pathetic not for justice,
09:18but for the population.
09:20Because this is the justice
09:22that we have.
09:23People who make a new age
09:25of what is a criminal process.
09:27I imagine that both Macarena
09:29and Camila were transferred
09:31from one province to another
09:32for an investigation.
09:33Macarena has a problem.
09:35Do you know what Macarena's problem is?
09:37Macarena knows a lot.
09:39Macarena knows that he knows
09:41and that the judge knows
09:43that Macarena knows.
09:45I mean, he knows that he knows
09:48and the judge knows that Macarena knows.
09:51So, he's going to have to find a way.
09:54So, we all know that he knows.
09:56Of course.
09:57That's the conclusion.
09:58We all know that he knows.
09:59As we all know that he knows.
10:00The judge knows that Macarena knows
10:01and that Camila knows.
10:02They tried to do it.
10:04They tried to get Macarena
10:05to turn on the fan.
10:06He didn't do it.
10:07Now, as the journalist said,
10:09they are looking for Laudelina,
10:11as Carlos said,
10:12to turn on the turbo
10:14when she sees her children
10:16practically in total helplessness
10:19in a place of...
10:20But that's legal.
10:22No, it's not legal.
10:23I mean, to take a measure
10:24to indirectly imprison
10:26a detainee.
10:27No, it's not legal.
10:28Nor is it legal to have
10:30the time they have detained
10:32these people without a specific imputation.
10:34Both ends are illegal.
10:36Don't think that this detention
10:38is legal.
10:40It's legal, but it's illegitimate.
10:44So, is it really worth it
10:46to have this person detained
10:48and now start operating
10:49with Macarena and Laudelina?
10:51Well, maybe because they ran out
10:53of all the other resources.
10:54They have nothing left, guys.
10:55That's why.
10:56Saker said it in this place
10:58a month ago.
11:00While you impudent people
11:02looked...
11:03Speak in third person.
11:04No, but yes.
11:05I said it.
11:06I said, guys,
11:07you have nothing here.
11:09They are smoking all your hands
11:11and they are going to start
11:13the weird things.
11:14And these weird things,
11:16we already know the lawyers.
11:18That's why I understand
11:20that the lawyers will have
11:21to do something too.
11:22Excuse me, Dr. Saker.
11:24What I wanted to tell you
11:25is that you should never
11:27ignore the fact that
11:29Laudelina may have the key
11:31to the case.
11:32Why do I mean this?
11:33Because at this point
11:35she has already proven
11:36that she planted the bottle.
11:38She knows.
11:40But you heard me
11:41in other shows
11:42that I emphasize a lot
11:44on her.
11:45Because if there is something
11:46that we know
11:47that she knows she has
11:49or what happened
11:50with that bottle,
11:51who gave it to her?
11:52That is a reality.
11:53Unobjective.
11:54Unobjective.
11:55Unobjective.
11:56I think it is the practical element
11:58of the case.
11:59It is the practical element
12:00of the case.
12:01And what is the other point
12:03that you also noticed
12:04how they were trying
12:06to destroy the technical defense
12:07of Laudelina.
12:09Yes.
12:10Because he was angry at home.
12:12He had a lot of money.
12:14I studied the case
12:15nights and nights
12:17and I tell you
12:18until I have the author.
12:19That's how I tell you.
12:21But well,
12:22the reality is this.
12:23Notice how
12:25practically the whole process
12:27went to destroy the lawyer.
12:29What I share with you
12:30is, for example,
12:32I understand that Laudelina
12:34knows more
12:36than she stated.
12:39Do you think not?
12:40Yes, yes, yes.
12:41Macarena and Camila the same.
12:43But never lose sight
12:45of Maciel,
12:48Pérez and Caixaba.
12:50Can I tell you something about Maciel?
12:52The only thing I'm going to tell you
12:54about Maciel.
12:55Maciel seems to me
12:56a corrupt,
12:57a criminal,
12:59a pretty fast chubby,
13:01a delinquent,
13:03disinterested,
13:04unlearned.
13:05But from there
13:06to have something concrete
13:08with the factual fact
13:09of the disappearance of the minor
13:10is the only thing I get.
13:12Ah, you get it.
13:13No, I'm talking to you physically, right?
13:16Let's see,
13:17in relation to this,
13:18perhaps what is also presumed
13:20in relation to Maciel,
13:21that perhaps he did not participate
13:23from the first moment of the case,
13:25but saw something along the way
13:27and wanted to take advantage.
13:28You know what I think?
13:31That nothing happens in your jurisdiction
13:33without you knowing it.
13:34Ah, of course.
13:35More in a jurisdiction like this.
13:36In a jurisdiction
13:37and from a place
13:39with so few inhabitants,
13:41a commissioner has the same power
13:44as a governor,
13:45as a priest,
13:47that is, the priest,
13:48the police,
13:49and the lieutenant
13:51are the powerful ones.
13:52They are the ones who will not escape
13:54absolutely anything.
13:56But they are ambassadors
13:57who respond to someone from above.
13:59They do not have autonomy.
14:00And that was very clear.
14:02Obviously,
14:03it is obvious
14:04that there are people above.
14:05But,
14:06a commissioner cannot
14:08let something happen in your jurisdiction
14:09and you do not know it.
14:10To know it, yes.
14:11I think the same.
14:12But that's why,
14:13but that's why, Grandma,
14:14there are two theories, right?
14:15One is that
14:16Maciel already knew at first
14:17and was part
14:18of this whole plot.
14:19Or the other
14:20who saw something along the way
14:21and wanted to take advantage,
14:23wanted to make a difference,
14:25so to call it,
14:26Maciel.
14:27Because Maciel,
14:28let's remember that
14:29he had not been
14:30in town for a long time.
14:31He did not have
14:32so much knowledge
14:33and he did not have
14:34so much experience
14:35with people.
14:36Yes, that's fine,
14:37but he is the one
14:38who receives the call
14:39telling him,
14:40via radio,
14:41via Handy,
14:42telling him,
14:43the boy appeared,
14:44he is scared,
14:45but he is fine.
14:46But do you think
14:47it is related to that?
14:48But let's see,
14:49I'll tell you something, Grandma,
14:50related to that.
14:51You know that
14:52to this day
14:53it has not been determined
14:54if it is via Handy,
14:55that is,
14:56modulating by radio,
14:57or if it really
14:58was a call
14:59by phone.
15:00Because,
15:01to this day
15:02it is not known
15:03who the person was.
15:04But how is it not known?
15:05It's crazy.
15:06It's not that it's not known.
15:07It's not that it's not known.
15:08No,
15:09it's not that it's not known.
15:10No,
15:11they don't want to know.
15:12They're going to do
15:13the impossible
15:14so that it's not known.
15:15Of course,
15:16four months have passed.
15:17But why do I say
15:18that it's not known?
15:19Because there is a...
15:20Let's say,
15:21I think there is
15:22the violin
15:23in which it says
15:24that it listens to
15:25modulating by radio,
15:26it listens to modulating
15:27by radio
15:28in the police station,
15:29where I had it.
15:30They say
15:31that they listen
15:32by phone,
15:33that Maciel
15:34just takes
15:35knowledge
15:36of this information.
15:37But the most worrying thing
15:38is that until now
15:39it's not known
15:40who the police
15:41were
15:42who gave
15:43the famous
15:44false alarm.
15:45Because they don't want to,
15:46Rafael.
15:47No,
15:48they don't want to.
15:49They don't want to,
15:50on the one hand.
15:51And also,
15:52there is some information
15:53that these people
15:54run away
15:55from their lives
15:56in some way.
15:57So,
15:58you have the version
15:59that the police
16:00have threatened him
16:01with death.
16:02Exactly.
16:03Look,
16:04if we talk about two police officers,
16:05one was sent
16:06to another police station
16:07because he did
16:08some inconvenience,
16:09let's say,
16:10and the other police officer
16:11was also
16:12transferred to another location.
16:13We have the name,
16:14we are not going to give it,
16:15obviously,
16:16but the father
16:17said that he is threatened
16:18with death.
16:19But, sorry,
16:20you have the name
16:21and the justice, right?
16:22Let's see, guys,
16:23at a higher level
16:24is the child.
16:25That is to say,
16:26I don't care
16:27about the fear
16:28of declaring,
16:29asking for guarantees,
16:30asking for what you have
16:31to ask,
16:32if a witness
16:33suddenly,
16:34not suddenly,
16:35covered,
16:36not covered,
16:37protected
16:38and say
16:39what you have to say
16:40because the superior
16:41right to protect
16:42is the child
16:43and we are not doing it,
16:44guys,
16:45with that.
16:46You know that
16:47when they declared,
16:48most of the police
16:49had,
16:50well,
16:51a couple of weeks ago,
16:52I was talking
16:53to some of the people,
16:54including
16:55some members
16:56of the police
16:57of the province,
16:58and they told me
16:59that it was incredible,
17:00even though Maciel
17:01was in prison,
17:02the fear
17:03they still had.
17:04But Maciel
17:05is in prison.
17:06He has a reason.
17:07But I tell you,
17:08Noel,
17:09I said,
17:10but no,
17:11it doesn't make
17:12any sense
17:13because he is in prison.
17:14They are afraid of him.
17:15In fact,
17:16a communication
17:17is heard,
17:18we remember,
17:19the telephones
17:20and at one point
17:21they communicate
17:22with a lawyer
17:23who says to him,
17:24yes or no,
17:25or don't you have
17:26but don't go
17:27beyond the fact.
17:28And that's why,
17:29let's see,
17:30they had to get
17:31the information
17:32from the complainant
17:33when we know
17:34that the police
17:35have to know
17:36the day,
17:37the time,
17:38and everything.
17:39Let's see,
17:40I always say
17:41the one who is afraid
17:42to die,
17:43may not be born.
17:44It's that easy.
17:45It's that easy.
17:46But obviously,
17:47I understand
17:48what indoctrination is,
17:49I understand
17:50how a police
17:51structure works,
17:52and in fact,
17:53I tie it to missions,
17:54for example.
17:55What did we say?
17:56Police who claim
17:57the salary,
17:58prisoners for sedition.
17:59Yes.
18:00They are trying
18:01to fight.
18:02One,
18:03we made the case here,
18:04obviously,
18:05nothing has happened to us yet,
18:06but a tiktoker
18:07who came out
18:08to raise our note
18:09and say,
18:10hey,
18:11watch out,
18:12they can be political prisoners,
18:13then,
18:14the girl
18:15today is trapped
18:16and detained.
18:17Trapped and detained.
18:18And good.
18:19Look if they indoctrinate you.
18:20Yes, of course.
18:21But for good and for bad,
18:22because Kodasi
18:23was never removed.
18:24Here,
18:25here they forget
18:26about something
18:27fundamental,
18:28which is the photo
18:29of Mansiel
18:30eating desperately
18:31at the moment
18:32of the disappearance
18:33of the lion.