MORÓN: MILITAR RETIRADO SE DEFENDIÓ A LOS TIROS
Un hombre de 68 años mató a un ladrón que intentaba robarle su auto. El hombre continuó disparando aún cuando los atacantes habían huido. Las cámaras de seguridad captaron el incidente.
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Un hombre de 68 años mató a un ladrón que intentaba robarle su auto. El hombre continuó disparando aún cuando los atacantes habían huido. Las cámaras de seguridad captaron el incidente.
️ Guillermo Andino
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00:00Now we're going to go to the case of this soldier who defends himself, for many he defends himself, for others it can be an excess in the defense.
00:11We are talking about a retired soldier who kills a thief who tries to rob him in Morón. You know the case, right?
00:18Put me the images, please, because we are with the two issues.
00:22Let's go to this one. This time the security cameras again capture the crime live.
00:28How they intercept him to get the car out of him and how his main retired officer defends himself to the shots.
00:34This 68-year-old man, Guille, who was going to be a victim of the crime of all criminals, acts in legitimate defense with the regulatory weapon and kills one.
00:46That's what's being questioned now, right? This attitude. The man goes down and keeps shooting.
00:52That will surely be used in a safe process.
00:56To defend the criminal. To say, look how calm he goes down.
00:59For the time being to the other.
01:00Well, let's see. Excuse me, Germán. Now we are going to give more details.
01:04Are we going to fall to the retired soldier who defended himself and who goes down to see if another criminal can shoot him?
01:10Guille, let's explain to the people in two words, in this camera, what is legitimate defense?
01:17Legitimate defense is a causality of inimputability provided by the criminal code in article 34, more precisely in incisus sextus,
01:26where it makes the person who defends himself legitimately not punishable.
01:31Three basic requirements must be given.
01:33Let's see.
01:34An illegitimate assault.
01:35What happens?
01:36The illegitimate assault does not have to be already suffered. It has to be imminent.
01:41Because if it is already suffered, the person cannot defend himself because he has already been shot twice.
01:44Exactly.
01:45There has to be a proportional rationality between the use of the attack and the defense in terms of the medium used.
01:52Which happens here too.
01:53No, there are plenty.
01:54Yes, yes, yes.
01:55Here they are pointing at you, saying I'm going to kill you.
01:57Three armed against one.
01:58Exactly.
02:00And the third is a lack of sufficient provocation on the part of the one who defends himself.
02:04Here it is.
02:05It's a guy who was sitting in the car.
02:07This kind of cases.
02:09Here some communicators are confused.
02:12It's not your case, clearly.
02:13But many communicators get confused and say, no, he did justice on his own.
02:18No, gentlemen, no.
02:20Justice on one's own is revenge.
02:22The guy who owes him money and he's going to get it back three days later.
02:25That's justice on one's own.
02:26This is legitimate defense.
02:27This is a legitimate defense of a clear and concise manual.
02:31A person who, seeing that they were about to take his life, because the person who comes down with a firearm and points it at the window to steal it and kill it.
02:40The brave act of the retired soldier was not expected, who, thank God, killed.
02:46With a temper.
02:47Yes, because he's playing it too, right?
02:48He killed.
02:49And if they didn't kill him.
02:50Of course.
02:51He killed a piece of garbage that was going to pay for his life, because these people are garbage.
02:56I don't know.
02:57Well, there we have a piece of garbage.
03:00That's a deterrent.
03:01No, no, it's not a deterrent.
03:02There we have a piece of garbage less on the street.
03:05A piece of garbage less on the street that.
03:07As is.
03:08It's going to be dead because of the heroic act of a citizen who defended his life and killed and did what the state should have done,
03:17that this person is not armed on the street and shot him twice in the chest.
03:21Sorry.
03:22Now.
03:23He shoots him three times.
03:24Can you get him here for that?
03:25No.
03:26Because you see, here everyone is looking for him.
03:27No.
03:28The part of.
03:29I explain technically for no.
03:30Here we are not inciting violence.
03:31No, no.
03:32Here I say and I take charge that this person, a guy who goes out armed to kill, is garbage.
03:37And that he deserves to be arrested and if not dead.
03:40And if not, look at what is happening every day.
03:43Because if not, we would be talking backwards.
03:45They kill a 68-year-old man with a shot in the head.
03:48So these scoundrels who kill us every day have to be fought with the same hardness with which they themselves work.
03:56And the victim does not have to do it.
03:58Then.
03:59Or the possible victim has to.
04:00The legitimate defense makes this unquestionable.
04:03He is not a subject of pity.
04:04Here, what we were just discussing off camera with my friend, he told me the possibility of an excess.
04:10In this case, there are three shots that he puts in his chest, two in his chest.
04:16And when the person comes down, he fired a shot.
04:20I don't know if it's in the air, on the floor.
04:23But it is not known.
04:24To the car.
04:25The vehicle in the runaway.
04:27So far there is no excess.
04:29Now I ask you a question.
04:30The person of good that defends himself, a legitimate user, as this man was, a legitimate user of weapons that is authorized to have, use and in this case to carry weapons.
04:40In other words, he fulfills all the law.
04:42The criminal does not.
04:45So if the person who legitimately defends himself fulfills all the law, why are you going to demand that he come to kill?
04:54No, if he came in through the back, if he gave him a loud voice.
04:57Delinquency has to be fought with greater hardness because these are the guys who kill every day.
05:04The conclusion I give you is not the one I think, it is not my ideological line.
05:08If it is not what is going to happen, the prosecutor Claudio Viedo did not take temperament.
05:13Claudio Viedo is a prosecutor who works very well in the province of Buenos Aires.
05:16And I have no doubt that this person will be in his house.
05:20But he does not define that.
05:21He obviously did not take temperament.
05:23But the weapon is perita and there may be a process that then exceeds the prosecutor of obstruction.
05:31And whoever is in front of that process, whether it is a trial or whatever, may have another ideological line.
05:37That is, this man exceeded.
05:39The look of justice has many prisms.
05:41And it depends on who analyzes it.
05:43Now, Viedo is very clear.
05:45He is a man who is sitting and defends his life.
05:48And the number of shots, if there are many legal errors, especially in the province of Buenos Aires,
05:53the number of shots that one configures to stop the aggression, no matter how much it is 1, 2 or 40,
06:00never configures an excess.
06:02Because you carry out, under a state of stress, the necessary number of shots for that aggression to stop.
06:08So, if you do 1, 2 or 40 ...
06:11Let's see, let's look at it.
06:12Let's put it at the beginning.
06:14There it is, look.
06:15There they are.
06:16There they can shoot him quietly.
06:18But there are three.
06:19Of course.
06:20And even if it were one, of course.
06:21One separates, Celeste's.
06:22And now the shots come from inside.
06:24Two shots that end up throwing him like a bag of potatoes to the colleagues in the hospital.
06:30Yes, they leave him there.
06:31In addition, they are cowards, this shit that is going around is a coward.
06:36Here is where, excuse me, here is where they can fall, that the man goes down with tranquility,
06:42or you can say, look, in the middle of a violent emotion ...
06:44No, no, no.
06:46Let's analyze this.
06:47Let's explain it technically.
06:49Yes.
06:50When the person stops the risk of his life, that he shoots the person and they leave,
06:56there the legitimate defense ends.
06:59And what did the man go down to?
07:02Because he did not know if there were two more hidden and he goes down to take care of his life.
07:06Now, we have to see if those shots fit him later in the autopsy of the person,
07:11how the bullet enters him.
07:13That is a very miserable issue.
07:15Because when these garbage kills people, no one says where the bullet enters.
07:21When these criminals come out armed, no one asks, but it was a legitimate user,
07:26but it was empty-handed ammunition, where did they buy the bullets?
07:29Now, to the good citizen, as it is the reverse kingdom, everything fits the reverse.
07:33Look, I'll give you a very simple example.
07:35In the state of Texas, it is quite particular with the issue of weapons,
07:39to the people who defend themselves, like this man and like so many others who defend themselves all the time,
07:45the legitimate defense is when the aid, the force of the state, cannot reach
07:50and that person has to make use of his strength to defend himself.
07:53So it's a character of exception, not of the rule, it's the exception.
07:57What does the state do in Texas?
07:59To men like these, as the state is ashamed to have admitted that it failed,
08:05they condone taxes for life.
08:09I hope he is not in Texas because he has a death penalty.
08:11To him and his family, they condone taxes so that they do not pay more.
08:16Let's take this, we'll discuss the death penalty another day, Germán, but I say,
08:19let's take this, and messages are raining.
08:23I wonder, this was Morón.
08:25Is there anyone who lives in Morón who is saying, hey, it was exceeded?
08:29When we go almost every day to Morón, one of the hottest places,
08:34and the neighbors tell us, and I'm going to have to go, because my old woman lives in front,
08:39and I have to, you see?
08:40Let's see, can I read some messages?
08:42Let me interrupt you for a minute on this.
08:45Don't you find it very sad, from the social point of view,
08:49what we were just talking about with Germán, with everyone,
08:51that the options of ordinary people are,
08:54I have to leave the country, I have to go live in a neighborhood
08:57that may not have the resources to go,
08:59I have to buy another armored car that no one can buy,
09:02Or I have to wait for it not to happen to me, which is the worst.
09:05Or be playing a Russian roulette every day.
09:07No, there is something more sad than all that,
09:09that we think, if it happens to us, if it happens to someone in our family,
09:13well, the best thing is not to defend yourself, because if you don't defend yourself,
09:17and you give them what they ask for, you may be able to save their lives.
09:20But there are people, Juan Pablo, people who don't wear guns,
09:22Here we don't talk about guns, here we talk about defense.
09:25They are different things.
09:26Legitimate defense, for the people who are getting scared at home,
09:29thinking that we are inciting madness,
09:31in the year 1995, the Pope, Juan Pablo II,
09:34defined it as the universal right to life,
09:38in a papal encyclical called The Gospel of Life,
09:41where he defines legitimate defense as the right
09:44and the obligation of the human being to defend himself.
09:47Are you a proponent of weapons?
09:49No, I'm not, it's the law.
09:50The National Law of Weapons.
09:51Yes, but you would agree that society should be armed.
09:54No, no, not at all.
09:55I ask you.
09:56No, Law 2429, it doesn't matter if you agree or not.
09:58Here is a law, which is Law 2429, which is the National Law of Weapons,
10:02which says and enables when people can and should have weapons.
10:07I can agree or not, you or whoever,
10:10but there is a national law that regulates the activity.
10:13Yes.
10:14So, by meeting certain requirements, people can arm themselves.
10:17Now, facing your question, which is good,
10:20is it good for people to arm themselves?
10:22No.
10:23Would it be ideal?
10:24Clearly not.
10:25Of course, I think the same as you.
10:26If you look for a policeman, Germán Azalenas in La Matanza,
10:28who wanted to defend himself and ended up dead.
10:30Clearly not.
10:31Clearly not.
10:32A policeman, imagine someone who is going to shoot himself one day.
10:35Clearly not.
10:36Yes, but now I want to talk a little about that topic.
10:38In a state where the state takes care of you.
10:41Exactly.
10:42If the state takes care of you, I give you the right, Germán,
10:45in a state where the state takes care of you, I give you the right.
10:48Now, I ask you a question.
10:49If you go out here walking down the street alone,
10:51unarmed, and two guys come to beat you up,
10:53do you defend yourself or not?
10:55I defend myself with my hands.
10:56You defend yourself with your hands because you don't have a weapon.
10:59Exactly.
11:00What you just said is the typical reaction of any citizen.
11:03People have the duty to defend themselves with whatever they have.
11:07With their hands, as in your case, with a bottle,
11:10with a kick, with a knife, with a match or with a shotgun.
11:14Because you have the obligation to defend yourself to preserve your life.
11:17Now, the state has to take care of you.
11:19Since it doesn't take care of you and leaves you helpless to the good of God,
11:22and let's use a Latin term, everyone speaks Latin,
11:25so that it laughs in your face every day of your life,
11:28laughs in your face saying if they are going to join such parties,
11:32and the reforms, and the taxes,
11:34and the good people are killed every day like flies in the street.
11:38If the state doesn't take care of you, you have to take care of yourself.
11:41How?
11:42How do you understand that it is...
11:44I understand you.
11:45You understand to take care of yourself.
11:47The state doesn't take care of you and society is armed.
11:49Sorry.
11:50No, no.
11:51Obviously.
11:52But I understand.
11:53I put a fence, I put an alarm, a neighbor's alarm,
11:55or some people buy a gun.
11:56Can I read some messages?
11:57Let's go.
11:58Good morning.
11:59In the case of Morón, it is different,
12:01because human rights are going to fall like tar
12:04to this retired soldier just because he is a former force officer,
12:07says Alejandro Montes de Oca.
12:09Adriana Buonfrate.
12:11It is essential to lower the age of imputability.
12:13Rosana Burrone.
12:14Please, we have to lower the age.
12:16This doesn't end here.
12:17I am 62 years old, I have never seen anything like this.
12:19Beatriz Tal.
12:20We have to lower the age of imputability.
12:22Matías Villalba.
12:23Lower the age of imputability and a good investment
12:25of a prison for this type of age
12:27so that it is also managed by a disciplinary regime of adults,
12:30since the minors' institutes don't work.
12:32Mabel Beppo.
12:33Yes, we have to lower the age, and if they kill, they never come out again.
12:36Diego Volpogni.
12:38We have to lower the age.
12:39Juan Aida.
12:40There has to be no age limit.
12:41You committed a crime and you have to play as an adult.
12:43When it is done this way.
12:45And you can stay in the air for three days in a row,
12:47and they are all the same.
12:48Yes.
12:49Wait.
12:50Dani González.
12:51I want to thank him, because whoever participates,
12:52I want to thank him.
12:53Eye for eye, tooth for tooth.
12:54There should be capital punishment for the murderers.
12:56Well, we can discuss it.
12:58They would have to put the death penalty for those who kill.
13:00We are tired, says María Ángela Domínguez.
13:03Gabriela Marchetti says, yes, lower the age of imputability
13:07and do not take them to an elementary school.
13:09Make prisons for these ages.
13:11Urgent, says María Luisa Lazarú.
13:13Lower the age.
13:14And the last one, Alejandro Montes de Oca.
13:15Criminals, or murderers and rapists, go to jail to comply with their sentence,
13:19but without human rights.
13:21Help them because they are in all jails.
13:23And one more.
13:24Liliana Jocky.
13:25Yes, we have to lower the age of imputability.
13:27And the state has to put together a whole structure,
13:29as lawyer Fiorivello says.
13:31In other words, unanimity.
13:33There is no one who says,
13:34let's ask ourselves why these kids, you know?
13:37Because while we ask ourselves, people keep dying
13:41or trying to defend themselves, killing a criminal.
13:44And you lower the age of imputability,
13:45and you have to make a new parallel judicial system.
13:48Yes, yes, of course, obvious.
13:49Because the Juvenile Penal Instruction Defense Court
13:52will continue to be the same, they will continue to be the same judges.
13:55I agree with Germán.
13:56It is a process of years.
13:57It is a process of years that sometimes has to start.
14:01Here, if you do not start by recognizing the problem we have,
14:03where every day they kill you,
14:05where there are people who question whether they defend themselves or not.
14:08And that's why I told you, with a lot of respect,
14:10I asked you in the air, I told you,
14:11wouldn't you defend yourself if they hit you?
14:12And what did you say to me?
14:13Yes, of course, with your hands.
14:14Great.
14:15You have a natural instinct to defend yourself,
14:17like we all do.
14:18Because, of course, if they attack you, you would also defend yourself.
14:21With whatever you have.
14:22I would stab him with a knife or whatever.
14:24Now, we don't have to get to that in a country of Alice in Wonderland
14:28because there would be a state that takes care of us.
14:30How does that not happen?
14:32And it's not going to happen.
14:33And it's not going to happen in the province of Buenos Aires,
14:35less because there was an absolute security anarchy
14:38where the problem is not discussed, nor is it recognized.
14:40No. In fact, it is romanticized.
14:42And I ask you, what is the use of romanticizing the issue of the children?
14:48You were just telling me an ideological issue.
14:50I understand.
14:51You asked me if it was an ideological issue.
14:52Yes.
14:53In the province of Buenos Aires, there is a government,
14:55practically left-wing, progressive,
14:58of which some of its members,
15:00practically the governor, without going too far,
15:02with a flirtation even with communism.
15:05He has recognized it himself.
15:07In fact, all the red flags of the rags of communism go in his actions.
15:10However, there is a policy of null and non-existent security.
15:14Let's go to China.
15:15Let's transfer it to China, a communist country.
15:17Yes.
15:18Very hard.
15:19Pure communist left.
15:20Go and steal from China.
15:22In Chile too.
15:23They shoot you.
15:24Socialist.
15:25They kill you with shots.
15:26In China, they hook you up just once.
15:29Two minutes in jail and after that they kill you with shots.
15:33China, communist country.
15:34So, what do I mean by this?
15:36I'm going to focus on my professional position,
15:40because I'm a human being who sees people being killed every day.
15:42Every day.
15:43This is not an ideological issue, guys.
15:45It's an issue of saying, or it shouldn't be, sorry Germán, an ideological issue.
15:49It's an issue of saying, let's agree, enough.
15:52This is a scoundrel who kills every day.
15:54The common politician doesn't care much, because he goes in cars with guards,
15:59that we all pay for, and armed guards, because they don't carry a gun.
16:03I have a very short anecdote.
16:05In El Canal Crónico, one day we were discussing security with a left-wing deputy.
16:10They said, ah, because guns are crazy, armed people.
16:14And behind the woman was standing a man in a suit, I didn't know him, he was like this.
16:18I say, sorry, who is the man?
16:20No, the man is my guard.
16:23Guard of what?
16:25Guard of what?
16:26No, guard of the Chamber of Deputies, of the Federal Police.
16:31And is he armed?
16:32Yes, of course.
16:33No more words, Mr. Judge.
16:35That's the speech of the stupid left.
16:38The judges are also guards, the prosecutors are also guards.
16:40Exactly.
16:41So, that woman, who pretends to say, no, how barbaric, that crime,
16:45no, you have to understand, poor guys, this is a repressive military.
16:50But that is an extreme and this is another.
16:52Which is the center?
16:54The reality.
16:55The reality.
16:56The reality that they kill every day, and if we continue like this.
16:59But let me tell you a fact about this case of the military.
17:03In 2011, at the same door of the house, on Toscano Street, 400,
17:08they killed Domingo Chimera.
17:11At the same house?
17:12At the same door.
17:142011.
17:15The impunity criminals.
17:16They didn't catch them anymore.
17:17They killed and gave birth to the child.
17:19Look how much happened.
17:21At the same door we have an inverse case where they justice a criminal.
17:25But nothing happened in those years.
17:27Excuse me, I lied to you with the statistics.
17:31I told you, no, we have gone down.
17:32You know why?
17:33Because there is no complaint.
17:34And I tell you one thing, if you are killed by a relative,
17:36what the hell do I care about statistics?
17:38I get 100% of the statistics from me.
17:40They killed one of us.