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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:15As we speak, the Parliamentary Committee is sitting on the decision as to who will be the
00:20next Chief Justice.
00:21And the latest information that we are getting and we are talking to their politicians, senior
00:25leaders of PMLN, there is a rethinking going on as to why Mansoor Ali Shah should not be
00:31the Chief Justice, despite all the guarantees.
00:33And they are saying that all the powers will go to the Irony Benches.
00:39So what difference does it make when the lawyers have said that if Mansoor Ali Shah is not
00:43the Chief Justice, we will run the movement.
00:44The PTI has also said that if he is not the Chief Justice, we will run the movement.
00:48So there is also a thought going on as to why he should not be made Chief Justice.
00:51And this is becoming a very dominant thought.
00:54But on the other hand, the opinion of the judges has become even more open.
00:58Today, when you read the detailed note that Mr. Faiz Issa received, he is suggesting that
01:04Mansoor Shah and other people, who had decided on General Bajwa's six-month extension,
01:10he did not say Article 6 on them, but it is visible that he is talking about Article 6.
01:14And what their leaders have to say is that their opinion will weigh heavily.
01:20This will also have an impact on the decision.
01:21But, and you know that everything in Pakistan is going haywire.
01:25Today, I will tell you about the haywire, that the rate at the moment is either low for
01:29Mansoor Shah or more than that for Afridi.
01:31That is, this thing is also going on in the market that perhaps Mansoor Ali Shah should
01:35also be made.
01:36And haywire people are very well-informed people in Pakistan.
01:38Anyway, a big fire broke out in the afternoon when Senator Qasim Bonjo Sahib, who was the
01:43senator of the BNP, who voted in favor of the resolution a day earlier, today he came
01:48and in the afternoon, standing next to Akhtar Mingle Sahib, he gave a very smokey speech
01:53and made very serious allegations.
01:55This is in the afternoon.
01:57In the evening, around 9.15 pm, he gave another statement.
02:01But that statement was realized because his son, Barrister Jahanzaib Qasim, had already
02:05made some tweets in which he said that he did it very forcefully.
02:09But sir, both of you listen to what he said before and what he said now.
02:13And then why do politicians ask us why the trust of politicians in this country is ending?
02:18Let's hear what was the first statement and what was the second statement?
02:43Today, the leaders of the party and their workers, some of them are MPAs, 2-3 MPAs,
02:49took me to the Senate and forced me to give a press conference.
02:53And that is a total fabricated lie and it is based on that.
02:57And these were the words of force that were written in the front.
03:01That I have to give a press conference.
03:05I have to give a press conference.
03:09I was asked to leave the house.
03:13And all these mosquitoes, they had written everything in front of me.
03:17I was reading that.
03:21So this is a total lie and fabricated.
03:25I understand the pressure put on me.
03:29The pressure of this party is beyond my understanding
03:33because they had resigned in the morning.
03:37In any case, it is up to you to decide which version you want to believe.
03:41But after this, people's trust is built on politicians.
03:45Anyway, now we will talk to Mr. Rana Sinhaullah
03:49and in the second part of the program, we will talk to Mr. Sheikh Waqas.
03:53There is a lot going on there too.
03:57And we will ask him whether he was being forced to vote or the notes were running.
04:01Let's talk to Mr. Rana first.
04:06Mr. Rana, you have only two options for the Chief Justice.
04:10Either Mansoor Ali Shah or Mr. Afridi.
04:14We know that you will not give Mr. Muneeb Akhtar any value.
04:18But today, the decision issued by Qazi Faiz Isa
04:22is that Article 6 should be applied
04:26to the judges who subverted the constitution.
04:30He has given a reference to the extension case of General Bajwa
04:34and in the end, he writes
04:38that those who subverted the constitution for personal ambitions
04:42should be made to face the consequences of their actions.
04:46The fight of the judges has gone to another level.
04:50So, you are thinking that the Chief Justice can also be the Chief Justice.
04:54The future Chief Justice is saying that he should talk about Article 6.
04:58I did not take the name, but this is what it means.
05:02Mr. Rana, can Mansoor Ali Shah be the Chief Justice?
05:06Look, this is Qazi Faiz Isa's opinion as a judge.
05:10He is a very upright, honest and honest judge.
05:14He has also made very good and brave decisions
05:18which have often caused him problems.
05:22He has also made very good and brave decisions
05:26which have often caused him problems.
05:30He has also made very good and brave decisions
05:34which have often caused him problems.
05:38This is his opinion.
05:42There is no doubt that the three senior judges
05:46who are currently under discussion
05:50are Mansoor Ali Shah,
05:54Muneeb Akhtar,
05:58and Qazi Faiz Isa.
06:02They are all very honest and upright judges.
06:06They may disagree with someone's decision,
06:10but there is no doubt that they are professional and competent judges.
06:14but there is no doubt that they are professional and competent judges.
06:18I am asking because we know that you will not make the ground flat for Muneeb Akhtar.
06:22Because you are a very good judge.
06:27He is a very good judge.
06:31He is saying that Mansoor Ali Shah's decision is based on Article 6.
06:35When you are evaluating this, will this opinion have any weight or not?
06:39When you are evaluating this, will this opinion have any weight or not?
06:43Of course, it will have weight.
06:47I believe that all three senior judges
06:51are very upright judges.
06:55I believe that all three senior judges
06:59are very upright judges.
07:03Justice Yahya Fareedi's credit is that
07:07Justice Yahya Fareedi's credit is that
07:11throughout one year, three years,
07:15or 5-7 years,
07:19since the Supreme Court level,
07:23since the Supreme Court level,
07:27Justice Yahya Fareedi is the only judge
07:31who has kept himself separate from this system.
07:35He did not even let it affect him.
07:39This is a unique credit for him.
07:43This is a unique credit for him.
07:47Yes, he is not in any group.
07:51Yes, he is not in any group.
07:55I was talking to some of your leaders.
07:59They were saying that it is possible that
08:03we have reservations, but we should accept Mansoor Ali Shah.
08:07Lawyers have said that if Mansoor Ali Shah does not win,
08:11we will protest.
08:15PTI says that if the senior judge does not win, we will protest.
08:19Even if Mansoor Ali Shah wins,
08:23what difference does it make?
08:27Even if Mansoor Ali Shah wins,
08:31what difference does it make?
08:35There are a lot of good things in Mansoor Ali Shah's favour.
08:39There are a lot of good things in Mansoor Ali Shah's favour.
08:43This is against him.
08:48One of the lawyers from PTI
08:52One of the lawyers from PTI
08:58who are angry with PTI's strategic policy,
09:02people are angry with PTI's strategic policy,
09:06because they, issued by PTI,
09:10have worried about the political environment of this coutry.
09:14This is the kind of thing that has been said by the opposition.
09:17And their support has become a source of problems for Mansoor Ali Shah Sahib.
09:26Because if such people, who have their own character based on mischief and sedition,
09:34support someone, it will not benefit them, it will harm them.
09:39Tell me something else.
09:40It is a matter of benefit and loss.
09:43The opposition has put allegations on us, they have arrested our men, everything is there.
09:47The five people who were brought to the National Assembly,
09:50we were also sitting there until the morning prayer call.
09:53They were brought quietly, they were kept separately from everyone,
09:57they did not want to talk to anyone, they went back.
09:59Today, Asad Qaisar Sahib has also agreed that a lot of money has been spent.
10:03Then, Senator Qasim Ronjo Sahib, from the BNP,
10:06he resigns in the morning, then he has a press conference with Akhtar Mahindra Sahib,
10:10and he tells the whole story that he was kidnapped by the Dalits,
10:15then they forcibly kept me, then they kept me in a place with mosquitoes,
10:19I also developed malaria.
10:20And then he clearly said that he was forced to vote.
10:24This has become a very big question mark.
10:27How can you say that you did not put pressure or did not do that?
10:31This is a very big question.
10:39This is not a simple question.
10:42They had to convince Akhtar Mahindra Sahib, and they did it.
10:46They also completed their work there.
10:50They did what they wanted to do.
10:52They did it with their own free will.
10:55And after that, they also convinced Akhtar Mahindra Sahib.
10:59I am a witness to this,
11:04that the day this voting took place in the Senate,
11:08I was present there.
11:11Akhtar Mahindra Sahib came and sat in the lobby.
11:16After the voting, all the members had to go to the lobby
11:22and after the counting was done,
11:30Akhtar Mahindra Sahib was sitting there.
11:33Both the Senators wanted to call Akhtar Mahindra Sahib to listen to me.
11:41He refused to listen to him.
11:44And then he told me that he wanted to go to the lobby,
11:48and that I should remove him from there.
11:51He said that he didn't want to listen to him.
11:55And then he was requested to leave the lobby.
11:59He was told that he should leave the lobby.
12:02And then he was told that he shouldn't leave the lobby.
12:05And then the security staff requested him to leave the lobby.
12:14And then he left the lobby.
12:17The thing is that Akhtar Mahindra Sahib had to meet Akhtar Mahindra Sahib
12:21and he had to convince him.
12:22He did exactly what he said.
12:25He voted freely.
12:28Wherever he went, he went freely.
12:30Wherever he stayed, he stayed freely.
12:33That day, he came to the House and sat there.
12:35He met everyone and casted his vote freely.
12:38Rana Sahib, there are other things to convince.
12:42He came and put such serious allegations on the state institutions.
12:46It's not easy to convince Ranjha like that.
12:49It's a matter of great cost because
12:51either he was lying earlier or later.
12:53No, no, no.
12:55You tell me, what importance does it have for a person
13:02to cast his vote freely in front of a hundred people
13:07and later say that he was forced to cast his vote?
13:11It doesn't matter.
13:13He had to convince Akhtar Mahindra Sahib and he did so.
13:17Other than that, this statement has absolutely no importance.
13:21In your opinion, the big allegation that he has put,
13:26he could have said that,
13:28okay, I… No, this is not an allegation.
13:33This is just deceiving Akhtar Mahindra Sahib.
13:37He has deceived him.
13:39This is not an allegation.
13:41I can assure you that he will not go anywhere,
13:46he will not make a request anywhere,
13:48he will not separate himself from this matter
13:51and say that this is an injustice to me.
13:53He has done this completely freely.
13:58And the MNA that you are talking about,
14:01I know two of those MNAs.
14:04They were pleading that they want their vote cast.
14:08They will request for their vote.
14:12I remember Liaquat Chatha Sahib from DC Pindi,
14:17who made a big statement after the election
14:19that this happened to me, everything happened to me.
14:21Then he also refused to speak.
14:24He said that he had only spoken for the company's publicity.
14:29Today, we are seeing the same pattern again
14:31that if someone says something,
14:33then there is some kind of pressure.
14:35Because earlier we were told that
14:36they will do a press conference at 9 o'clock.
14:38Then we were told that the press conference has been cancelled.
14:41So, I can understand the first pressure.
14:43Whose press conference has been cancelled?
14:45Ronjo Sahib's.
14:46Earlier it was said that he will do a press conference.
14:49Whose press conference?
14:50Ronjo Sahib's, Qasim Ronjo Sahib's, Senator Sahib's.
14:53Then his son tweeted about his ex.
14:57The thing is, Mr. Malik,
15:00such people have to be kept on both sides.
15:06I have known Liaquat Chatha Sahib for the past 30 years.
15:12He had nothing to do with that statement.
15:20He had nothing to do with the election.
15:26And he himself agrees to this.
15:30Mr. Zafar, tell me one thing.
15:31I am a little confused today.
15:35Earlier, his story was more credible.
15:39Because it has happened in the past that people were under pressure.
15:42When Imran Khan Sahib was in power,
15:44many of your people were also under a lot of pressure.
15:47Then the institutions were supporting him.
15:49Now, you are being supported.
15:51We are seeing the same things.
15:53When you say that this is a matter of air.
15:56Is it so simple that a senator first says
15:58and then puts such a big allegation?
16:00And then, to make him happy, he gives another statement to Akhtar Mengal.
16:05And then his son, Barrister Jahanzaib Qasim Ronjo,
16:11he has also criticized his party very harshly on Twitter.
16:17He called an old man and forced him to give a statement.
16:21So, what is forced?
16:22When the party resigned on him,
16:25they resigned in the morning.
16:26After resigning, what is Akhtar Mengal's burden
16:31that he will give such a big press conference?
16:35Look, everyone has their own personality.
16:41Those who have to stand by their words,
16:45they stand even in difficult situations.
16:48There are examples of this before and even today.
16:52And these people, who have no opinion of their own,
16:55when they go to you, they say what you say.
17:01When they come to me, they say what I say.
17:04So, there are such characters as well.
17:06So, Mr. Rana, if there is such a brainless person
17:12who changes statements in the air,
17:15then he will do it only when he has some benefit.
17:19So, did Mr. Ranjo get any financial benefit
17:24or did he get any other benefit?
17:25Then why did his conscience wake up
17:27to vote for you if he is not a man who can stand up?
17:30This is a matter of guesswork.
17:36What benefit did he get or what did he not get?
17:40So, the thing is that I am not a witness of these things
17:44and we can only make assumptions.
17:48But such people take advantage and do this work.
17:52Sometimes, they do this work on the basis of their relations.
17:58And there are some reasons behind all these people.
18:03Those people have made promises at some point in time.
18:07They have made commitments.
18:09And then, they become football players.
18:12Sometimes, if they get a kick, they go this way.
18:14Sometimes, if they get a kick, they go that way.
18:15With whom did they make promises?
18:18Are these promises made to political people
18:22or to non-political people?
18:26These promises are made to political people and to their communities.
18:32And secondly, these promises are made to non-political people.
18:41If someone makes a promise to you
18:43that he will do whatever you tell him to do,
18:51then you will put pressure on him, won't you?
18:58So, it will not only be your fault. It will be his fault as well.
19:01So, all these things go on mutually.
19:05In our eastern society, people, families,
19:11communities, relations, all these things go on between us.
19:15We are not in Europe yet.
19:17We have a joint family and social system.
19:21So, people respect each other.
19:25Mr. Rana, the people who voted for you in the National Assembly,
19:29the people from PTI,
19:31you said that technically, there were four independent people,
19:33but one was from PMLQ.
19:36So, all these people came for their own benefit.
19:40They did not come for a principled position.
19:42They came to fulfill their promises.
19:46This is not a matter of raising their conscience.
19:51No, it is something that suits everyone.
19:55Like, Chairman of PTI, Mr. Gauhar Khan was saying four days ago
20:04that people have raised their conscience with him
20:08and they are not voting for him.
20:10They will not cast their vote for us.
20:16So, if they can raise their conscience
20:19and vote for us,
20:26then someone else's conscience can also be raised.
20:28Now, who among these people raised their conscience,
20:32who fulfilled their promises, who took advantage of it,
20:36this can only be said when there is evidence.
20:39But the thing is that something or the other happens.
20:41All these stories that I was kidnapped,
20:45my nails were pulled out,
20:48my leg was broken, my arm was broken,
20:50where is that now?
20:51All that plastic surgery has been done.
20:53Everything is fine now.
20:56No one's nails have been pulled out, no one's skin has been removed,
21:00no one's leg has been broken, no one's hand has been broken.
21:04All this is propaganda.
21:06And you know that PTI is a master of propaganda.
21:10Tell me, the PTI people that we were listening to repeatedly that day,
21:13they said that on the fourth floor,
21:15there were some people in the reserve,
21:17like Dr. Zarka, Faisal Saleem,
21:21and some people in the National Assembly.
21:24Those whose consciences were awakened or could have been awakened,
21:28was Zain Qureshi also among them?
21:29There is a lot of debate on that
21:31that perhaps Zain Qureshi is also being given notice by PTI.
21:34I said, let me ask you, the people whose...
21:36No, look, there is no evidence in this.
21:42There is a lot of gossip.
21:44But anyway, his name is being mentioned.
21:45Look, I have seen this in many people.
21:50They say this very easily,
21:52that, okay, you fulfill your duties,
21:54if one person is less, then I will come.
21:58And they have a premonition that this is not an official situation,
22:00so I don't even have to go.
22:05So, it is possible that two, four, five people said this,
22:08that, okay, if one person is less, then I will come.
22:10Before that, don't force me.
22:13So, it is possible that some people are like that.
22:14Okay, you know that whenever a PTI person is left-wing,
22:18then he faces a lot of trouble.
22:20After his home, protests,
22:22then the workers who work with him,
22:24it is a very scary environment.
22:26So, a lot of people,
22:27with a lot of thought and fear,
22:28do things very carefully.
22:31I am asking because it means,
22:33tell me, if there is no force,
22:36then is there money for the people who have voted?
22:40What is the logic? Explain the logic to me.
22:43Look, there is no evidence for this.
22:46There is no evidence.
22:47You have been in politics for 40 years.
22:51You have seen a lot of ups and downs.
22:53You have seen people from your party break.
22:54You have seen people from others break.
22:56People break with only two things,
22:58either by force or greed.
23:01So, if you are saying that there is no force,
23:03then it means that the people who have come,
23:05they have taken advantage of their greed.
23:10No, I have seen very few people break with force.
23:15People break with greed.
23:17With their helplessness.
23:18That force is also helplessness.
23:21It is not force, it is helplessness.
23:24So, the matter is that,
23:26in this, the matter of money,
23:29Now, look, when this vote for non-confidence took place,
23:32the PTI, at that time, lied so much collectively,
23:36lied so much,
23:38and said so shamelessly,
23:41that, yes, the sacks have arrived,
23:43in Sindh House, and so on,
23:45the sacks have opened their mouths.
23:47Believe me, in the movement for non-confidence,
23:5118 people had joined PMLN.
23:54No one was given a single penny.
23:59And I will tell you later, no one even demanded.
24:04Except for saying, okay, in the next election,
24:07give us a ticket, support us.
24:09But these people propagandized so shamelessly,
24:15that it was to the extreme.
24:16Rana sahib, tell us one thing.
24:17You are also propagandizing the same thing.
24:19You see, they started with 10 crores,
24:21and I think, by yesterday, they had reached 1 billion.
24:25Tell me this, now...
24:26And how can you put an allegation on someone
24:28by believing in this propaganda?
24:30The constitution has also been amended.
24:32You will also become the bench of the constitution.
24:35And in the election, the Judicial Commission, and everything else,
24:38in that also, you will very comfortably,
24:41become the bench of your choice.
24:43The judge who is to be added,
24:44you will also easily appoint the judge of your choice.
24:47So, the whole structure is scattered.
24:50Will there be a very serious possibility
24:54of Imran Khan sahib's case going to the military courts?
24:57Because even if the case goes to the military courts,
24:59and it is a challenge,
25:02it will be handled by the hand-picked bench of yours.
25:07So, you will have a comfort level.
25:09Do we see that the case is going there,
25:12or is there a negotiation with the position of strength with Khan sahib?
25:16Look, Khan sahib, all the doors are closed.
25:18Please sit with us and finish the matter,
25:20so that we can bring the issue to a solution.
25:25Look, Malik sahib,
25:27you can imagine the misfortune of that nation,
25:30when good people like you,
25:35without reading, without thinking, without understanding,
25:39are using such words.
25:41These are the words of the PTI, right, Rana sahib?
25:43I am quoting their statements,
25:45that they say that there is no fear of God.
25:47There is no fear of God.
25:49There is no fear of God.
25:52The PTI and their propaganda and lies,
26:00nothing else can come from there.
26:02You should fear God.
26:05How are you saying hand-picked?
26:07Tell me, are these judges of the Supreme Court,
26:11PMLN or the government, hand-picked judges?
26:14No, I am saying this, Rana sahib,
26:18because I am saying this on air,
26:21that Muneeb Akhtar will not be the Chief Justice.
26:24I am saying this for a reason, I am not talking out of the blue.
26:27In the same way, on many judges,
26:29you also believe that there is a grouping among the judges,
26:33that is why you have brought the amendment.
26:34You yourself say that this group is formed.
26:37No, listen to me.
26:39No, listen to me.
26:40This grouping,
26:42I had told Muneeb Akhtar sahib
26:45to attach himself to someone as a group.
26:51Or you have said this.
26:52If a person aligns himself in this way,
26:57then there is no cure for that for me or you or anyone else.
27:01But you tell me,
27:03in the Supreme Court, from Muneeb Akhtar sahib
27:07to the last judge, who is at the 17th position,
27:11is there any judge who has been handpicked by the PMLN?
27:15Then how will you use the word handpick?
27:17Okay, let's see that, Rana sahib, you are right.
27:19Now let's see that the judges...
27:21Sitting on a channel,
27:23which millions of people must be listening to right now,
27:26are you serving the people or misleading them?
27:29No, no, we want that whoever judges you bring,
27:32whoever you want to add,
27:34bring them on merit,
27:36so that time itself tells that it is absolutely right.
27:39No, how can you bring them?
27:40Look, you tell me,
27:43didn't you get so much time to read the amendment?
27:47I have read it, I have read it.
27:49That is why I am asking the question, Rana sahib.
27:51Where is it written that you will bring the judges?
27:52Sorry?
27:53No, no, listen, what kind of questions are you asking?
27:56You are saying that you will bring the judges,
28:00handpicked judges.
28:02Will the judges be brought by the government or by the PMLN?
28:04No, no, I am saying that they are worried about the opposition
28:08that the judges that you will add and the benches that will be made,
28:11they will be handpicked,
28:13because in the formation of these benches...
28:15How will they be handpicked?
28:17In the structure, your vote is more.
28:18May God destroy you.
28:20Your vote has more power.
28:21No, how is the vote more? It is not more.
28:24The power is not more.
28:25You read it.
28:27You look at the composition.
28:30You read the composition and tell me.
28:32What is the composition?
28:33You count it.
28:34You count that there is an attorney general in it.
28:37Shall I count it?
28:38Yes, count it.
28:40The Chief Justice has come.
28:41Yes.
28:42Your senior judges have come.
28:45Then the attorney general has come.
28:47How many have come?
28:47The government minister has come.
28:49No, listen, how many have come?
28:51The foreign representative has come.
28:52How many judges have come?
28:53Four, five.
28:54Four, five.
28:56Seven, five are made, right?
28:57On an average, seven, five divisions are made.
28:59Sir, sir, sir,
29:02before using such big words,
29:06fear God.
29:08Do not mislead this nation in this way.
29:11Read this.
29:12We are expressing our concerns, Mr. Rana.
29:15There are 13 members of the Judicial Commission.
29:17Yes, you.
29:17No, listen, listen.
29:20I will tell you.
29:21There are 13 members of the Judicial Commission.
29:24Sir.
29:25Out of them, there are five members,
29:29there are five judges of the judiciary.
29:31One plus four.
29:32Straightforward.
29:33Okay.
29:35One plus four is five, right?
29:36Yes, absolutely.
29:38After that,
29:39after that, there are five people
29:42whom you can say are from the government.
29:45Okay.
29:46Two are from the parliament.
29:48Two senators.
29:48One MLA, one senator.
29:51Two, no, not two senators.
29:54One from the government will be from the senate.
29:55No, I am talking about the parliamentarians.
29:58Two senators, two.
29:59Listen to the total.
30:00The total will be of two oppositions.
30:03Okay.
30:05Two will be from the government.
30:08Two will be from the opposition.
30:10Apart from that, the attorney general and the minister of law.
30:14And one individual member or woman to be appointed.
30:18Which is you.
30:19Three and two, five will be from the government.
30:22Okay.
30:23That means there are five members of the judiciary.
30:26Five are from the government.
30:28This will be equal.
30:30And the casting vote will be of two oppositions
30:33and one member from the bar.
30:35How can you say that you have to pick,
30:37you have to pick, you have to pick.
30:39Add a member from the bar.
30:42Add a member from the bar.
30:45Yes.
30:46One member from the bar
30:48and two members from the opposition.
30:50These three people will have the casting vote.
30:54There are five from the judiciary and five from the government.
30:56This is the balance
30:58that has been established in the judicial commission.
31:01Neither can the judiciary do as it pleases
31:05like it used to do before
31:07that three judges from each chamber
31:11and the government can do as it pleases.
31:13I am not talking about the judges, Mr. Rana.
31:16We want there to be a balance.
31:19We want there to be a balance.
31:21We will see when the casting vote is made.
31:24We will ask you then.
31:25And this balance
31:29is the balance
31:31that was agreed upon by the PTI
31:34and Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman.
31:37We will discuss this further.
31:39Mr. Rana, my time is up.
31:42But when the casting vote is made,
31:43we will see and you will see how the judges are picked.
31:47I hope that what you are saying is true.
31:49That there is a balance.
31:50But what we are seeing so far,
31:52we cannot see this happening.
31:53Anyway, let's take a break.
31:55After the break, we will come and talk to Mr. Sheikh Waqas
31:58to find out where the PTI stands at the moment.
32:06Welcome back to the show.
32:08Before the break, Mr. Rana was talking.
32:09You must have heard him.
32:11If you count the Law Minister and Attorney General,
32:13you will know where the tilt is.
32:16Anyway, we have with us Mr. Sheikh Waqas Akram.
32:18He is the Secretary of Information at the PTI.
32:20Peace be upon you.
32:22Peace be upon you too.
32:22Mr. Sheikh, you are used to tweeting.
32:26You have tweeted about the acts that you have done.
32:29You said that you are giving show-cause notice
32:31to several individuals.
32:33There is a big scene of Zain Qureshi.
32:35First, tell us, are you giving show-cause notice to them too?
32:38Yes, we are giving it, sir.
32:40Why? They did not cast a vote or anything.
32:42They even released a video message.
32:44Sir, the people who casted the vote
32:49and those five people came in front of us,
32:51they will be formally charged with a second case
32:55on which they will be re-sealed.
32:57These are all legal options.
32:59Expelling them from the party, terminations.
33:01There are many options on which the team is sitting.
33:05There is no doubt about that.
33:09They took Imran Khan's name and photo and casted their vote.
33:14They sold their conscience.
33:16What was the price they paid? How did they pay it?
33:18Those things will come in front of you soon.
33:21Now, these people who are being charged with show-cause,
33:24they did not cast a vote against the party.
33:27No one saw them in the parliament.
33:29No MNA saw them, nor did the PTI, nor anything like that.
33:34We have some evidence, some people have said things,
33:37but no one saw them.
33:39With that in mind, one thing came to light
33:42that these four or five people are our friends
33:44who were told, under party discipline,
33:46these directions were given,
33:48that in a certain region,
33:51under supervision of a certain MNA or minister,
33:54or whoever is there,
33:56you have to protect yourself.
33:58This was a strict direction, and this was Imran Khan's order.
34:02And these people were also given a place,
34:04and the people under whose supervision they had to stay,
34:06those people were also pointed out and contacted.
34:10They are being show-caused on the pretext of party discipline,
34:14because you were told
34:17that in a certain region,
34:18you have to stay with a certain person, a designated person,
34:22you have to keep yourself safe,
34:24you don't want to fall into the hands of a government institution
34:28that can blackmail you, that can torture you.
34:31Even that we have moved families.
34:33Not just MNAs, we have also moved their families to safe places.
34:37Now, in this direction,
34:39it means that all the other people follow it.
34:43And four or five people
34:45don't follow that party discipline,
34:48they don't reach those regions,
34:50they don't reach those designated people.
34:53There are different times in this voting, six days, five days, four days.
34:57Their contacts end.
34:59They become allies with the party.
35:01They don't know where they have gone.
35:04Then there is no news of their abduction.
35:06When they come, they come to UBS.
35:08Then we start getting other information
35:10that they are in contact with so-and-so.
35:14So, the political committee decided
35:16that those who broke contact with us,
35:20and we have reason to believe that it was deliberate,
35:23and those people have gone completely out.
35:25Now, whether their vote was cast or not,
35:28whether the people who took them used their vote or not,
35:31it was against the party directives,
35:33the party discipline of Imran Khan's directives.
35:36You said that we have some evidence.
35:39What is the evidence? Then money has gone,
35:41because Asad Qaiser was talking today in Kashik's program.
35:45Sir, five people have gone, Malik bhai.
35:47Five people have gone to the National Assembly.
35:49So, there is evidence.
35:51They are sitting with the party and the things are going on.
35:55They have taken so much money.
35:58So many things, because it is not right
36:02that in a few days, the committee...
36:04No, Mr. Sheikh, Zain's shame is increasing
36:08because his father is inside right now.
36:10He is the senior party leader, the vice-chairman.
36:12No, I am not talking about Zain Qureshi, sir.
36:14I am talking about five people.
36:16No, leave these five people, they are in front of you.
36:19So...
36:19Sir, if you let me say one sentence,
36:21Malik bhai, some things will happen.
36:22Yes, yes.
36:23In the show-call notice, it has been said
36:25that within seven days, you should give your answer.
36:30And we have reason to believe that maybe these matters were like this.
36:35So, you should give your answer.
36:36If the things that are coming against you are not right,
36:40if what you say is right, it will end badly.
36:42If it is not right, then action will be taken
36:43and the decision will be taken by Mr. Narayan Khan.
36:45The report will go to Mr. Khan.
36:47Okay, secondly, we are talking about the Chief Justice.
36:50You said that if your party...
36:54And sir, one more thing.
36:55Yes.
36:55One more thing, sorry.
36:57All the sacrifices and efforts of Mr. Shah Mahmood Qureshi
37:01for this party,
37:03I think that no one individual,
37:06no other individual can be held responsible for it.
37:10They are all adults, everyone does their politics.
37:12So, it is very regrettable that without reaching to the facts,
37:15some friends have started doing this to Mr. Shah Mahmood.
37:21I think this is not appropriate.
37:23He is in jail and he is fulfilling his loyalty to Mr. Khan.
37:28Okay, Mr. Sheikh, tell me this.
37:30Your stance is that,
37:32Mr. Gandapur has also said that the senior judges,
37:35if they are not found, we will protest and make a movement.
37:38Lawyers also say that if Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah is not found,
37:40then the movement will continue.
37:42If Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah is appointed as the next Chief Justice,
37:46then your protest will end,
37:48the protest of the lawyers will end,
37:50then this will be a settled matter.
37:53No, sir, there can be a change in the nature of the protest.
37:55The protest cannot end.
37:57What has been done with the system of this country,
37:59what has been done with the constitution of this country,
38:02what is being done with the people of this country,
38:05we have been protesting from morning till evening.
38:06Then why didn't you boycott?
38:08I don't understand.
38:09Why didn't you boycott?
38:10PMLN people say that whatever they do, they have to protest.
38:14You also said that the nature of the protest will change.
38:17Then why did your people sit on those committees?
38:20Then why did your people come and participate in the voting day?
38:24You are legitimizing everything.
38:27You say that we do not agree.
38:28No, no, no, no, no, sir.
38:30Let me tell you, there are two or four things in it.
38:32First thing, from the first day, we said that we will oppose it.
38:37We did not mention boycotting anywhere.
38:39We said that we will oppose it.
38:41Remember, because I myself gave these statements
38:44in the light of the decisions of the political committee by the party.
38:47We engaged Maulana, sir.
38:50And before that, you see,
38:51our official statement of the political committee was
38:54that we do not agree with this and we will not vote on it.
38:59The thing is that we engaged Maulana to convince him
39:02that you are also sitting in the opposition,
39:05we should come forward as a joint opposition
39:08and we should oppose it together.
39:11So, for that engagement, we went with him.
39:15We could not get what we wanted.
39:18We could not convince Maulana in that way.
39:20But one more thing came out of it,
39:22that during that engagement,
39:24the assistance given to Maulana's political team from our side,
39:27that contest no. 1, contest no. 2, contest no. 3
39:30and ultimately this final contest no. 4,
39:33this was toned down.
39:34And in the first and fourth contests,
39:36the ground was covered.
39:37So, when will there be a protest and what will it be about?
39:40If Chief Justice Mansoor becomes the Chief Justice,
39:42then when will there be a protest and what will it be about?
39:44Look, sir, the biggest thing is
39:46what is being done to Mr. Imran Khan.
39:49How he is being kept in solitary confinement illegally.
39:53He is not allowed to meet for 20 days.
39:54The electricity has been switched off for 5 days.
39:56The food is not right.
39:57The doctors are not right.
39:59The family has no access.
40:00Our main and foremost,
40:01the rest of the things go behind.
40:03First of all, regarding Mr. Khan's release.
40:05You will have to deal with that.
40:08And secondly, Mr. Imran Khan used to say,
40:11let me tell you,
40:12he himself ordered his release agenda for the past month.
40:15He said, if you delay it,
40:16the judiciary will be free and I will also be free.
40:18I mean, that's it.
40:20Mr. Sheikh, thank you very much.
40:21You have run out of time.
40:22So, there will be a protest.
40:24And this is the PTI's declared policy
40:26that there will be protests.
40:28The reasons will keep changing,
40:29but the protest is a constant decision.
40:32How and what results will come out of it,
40:34only time will tell.
40:35Let's take a short break and then we'll talk about it.
40:46Welcome back to the show.
40:47The latest news that is coming in,
40:49every now and then,
40:50there is a piece of news that comes out.
40:52I have heard that the government benches
40:54are trying to make it in the name of Mr. Yaiya Fareedi.
40:58If that happens,
41:00it will be good for the Supreme Court.
41:02But we will have to see what the political parties do.
41:06Will the Lawyers' Movement get the fuel?
41:10Will the PTI get the fuel?
41:12But a while ago, you heard Mr. Waqar Sheikh say,
41:15we have to protest.
41:17If this doesn't happen, the situation will change.
41:18Because that is the only strategy there.
41:21But what we were talking about earlier,
41:22that the judges who are doing it now,
41:24it seems that the justified things are that
41:26judicial reforms were needed.
41:28And why am I saying that?
41:30Today, when Mr. Faiz Ishaq's decision was made,
41:33if you look at the controversial note,
41:35it seems that there was a payback.
41:37Look at the timing earlier,
41:38when the first clarification of eight judges came.
41:41When did that come?
41:43It came when there was talk in the Parliament
41:45that judicial reforms and all this will be done.
41:48Then the second day came, the day of voting.
41:51When does Mr. Faiz Ishaq's controversial note come?
41:54The same day when the Parliamentary Committee
41:56is sitting and deciding who will be the Chief Justice of Calcutta.