Jay King, Jam Packard, and Brian Robb break down the Celtics two pre-season games in Boston over the weekend. The guys touch on whether or not Horford should start, the emergence of Jordan Walsh, and Lonnie Walker's bid for the 15th roster spot.
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00:02:02Boys, the Celtics are back.
00:02:04They're back and actually playing basketball in Boston with two games over the weekend.
00:02:09The always exciting preseason back-to-back.
00:02:13It gave us an opportunity to see every single player on the roster.
00:02:18I say that now, but I don't know if Jay Scrub got in the game.
00:02:23Yeah, I don't think he's been cleared yet, Jay Scrub.
00:02:26Everyone else, though.
00:02:27Unfortunately, no Jay Scrub.
00:02:29But you guys are in the building.
00:02:31Actually got to see the championship title defense attack start.
00:02:37Jay, start with you.
00:02:39What was your impression or wild overreaction to seeing the Celtics in person over the weekend?
00:02:46They are playing already at a very high level.
00:02:50And it hasn't been dictated by, obviously, the external motivation of winning a big game or competing against great players.
00:03:02The Sixers sat everybody and the Celtics played everybody.
00:03:08Basically everybody.
00:03:09And they still decided, you know what?
00:03:12Let's just play as well as we can and destroy them and go on with the night.
00:03:18I thought that was the most impressive part.
00:03:20You hear that Joel Embiid is going to be out.
00:03:23Paul George is going to be out.
00:03:25Everybody, Tyrese Maxey.
00:03:27And you think maybe the Celtics will let down.
00:03:30It's preseason. Who cares? It's a meaningless game.
00:03:33Oh, no.
00:03:34They were flying around playing defense.
00:03:36They were bullying their way to the rim.
00:03:38They were getting Luke Cornett layups.
00:03:40The offense looked beautiful.
00:03:42It was just a dynamite performance.
00:03:45And if they're going to bring that edge to a preseason game against a Philadelphia team missing everybody,
00:03:53then the motivation piece might be, you know, they might not have a championship hangover.
00:04:02Yeah.
00:04:03The lack of a letdown in any.
00:04:06I mean, I guess part of it, too, is they had a week off before more games.
00:04:10They're ready to go for that Philly game on Saturday night or anything else.
00:04:13But then you throw a Raptors team on Sunday.
00:04:16That was close to whole.
00:04:18Like they were missing a few starters.
00:04:20That's close to whole for the Raptors team.
00:04:22We weren't that close.
00:04:23I mean, like quickly.
00:04:24R.J.
00:04:25Barrett.
00:04:27I don't know.
00:04:28They had their best player, Scotty Barnes.
00:04:30They played Yaga.
00:04:31They were a competent NBA team.
00:04:33I wouldn't go as far as calling them competent.
00:04:36Generous.
00:04:37They had some of their NBA players on the floor.
00:04:40They had some NBA players on the floor, and the Celtics had their guys six through 15,
00:04:46depending on where you put Luke Cornett in that.
00:04:49I'd say seven through 15.
00:04:52Yeah, seven through 15.
00:04:53Luke Cornett's moving up that list.
00:04:55But no, it's a situation.
00:04:57I mean, beyond the fact that the Celtics are a really, really good team and are going to,
00:05:02for as much as we talked about last year, like, can it be this easy again with this group?
00:05:08And the answer is you look at what they've done through the four preseason games.
00:05:11You're like, you know what?
00:05:12It might be.
00:05:13It might be that easy most nights.
00:05:15So when you're playing the Celtics, it might be that easy.
00:05:18It might be that easy most nights.
00:05:20So when you're playing the Raptors of the world.
00:05:23But the cohesion, the chemistry within the Stars, within the bench unit.
00:05:28And I think the fact that a lot of these guys are just on the ascent in their careers right now,
00:05:34like not beyond just Jason and Jalen.
00:05:36And you see that in these preseason games when Pritchard and Howie to the Road get, you know,
00:05:41closer to 30 minutes and closer to 20 shots.
00:05:44And those guys are just damn good.
00:05:46And they're able to beat up against other team starters, other team's second units.
00:05:51And so the fact that they are going to be ahead of the curve on that front compared to a lot of other contenders
00:05:56in the Eastern Conference that have a lot of new parts they're trying to integrate,
00:05:59I think bodes quite well for this group out of the gate.
00:06:03I think, like, as me just watching it as a Celtics fan, you take for granted how good at least the top four guys are going to be.
00:06:11And it's just like, oh, it's just another kind of dominant performance from the Jays
00:06:17and the best defensive backcourt in basketball.
00:06:21Even at this point, I'm not surprised when Peyton Pritchard comes in and he's starting
00:06:25and he shoots the lights out.
00:06:27We had Sam Hauser, another very impressive performance.
00:06:31It's just if this is like, well, are we just due for another, like, boring season from the Celtics
00:06:36where it's just like, oh, Celtics are up by 30 again.
00:06:40Because it just feels like everything is clicking and there's nothing new from this team,
00:06:46at least in terms of the top end.
00:06:48This is the classic Packard reaction, where the Celtics play really well a couple of times
00:06:54and then he's like, there's nothing anyone else could do.
00:06:57Nobody will ever compete against them.
00:07:00Nobody will ever come close to them.
00:07:02I have yet to see it this season, just saying.
00:07:06That is fair.
00:07:07Am I wrong?
00:07:08However, it's a long season.
00:07:10It's one thing to have that edge, that attitude right away.
00:07:15Think back to even Joe's first year when they went 21-5 and looked amazing
00:07:20for the first 26 games of the season and then just kind of played basketball
00:07:28the rest of the way, including the playoffs when they lost to Miami
00:07:33in the Eastern Conference Finals.
00:07:35So I think it's just, you have to continue this.
00:07:40It's not enough to do it a couple of times against terrible teams in the preseason,
00:07:45against guys who won't, mostly won't be playing in the NBA this year.
00:07:50You have to do it again and again and that's going to be the boring part
00:07:53and that's going to be the challenging part.
00:07:55Just when you're 25-3 or whatever it is after 28 games,
00:08:01can you then play the 29th the same way?
00:08:03And then so on and so on and so forth because the Celtics last year
00:08:08allowed themselves no slippage and they just kept building and building
00:08:12and building until dominating throughout the playoffs.
00:08:15They've got off to a great start.
00:08:17You can tell their heads are in the perfect place right now,
00:08:21but you've got to stay like that to have a chance to repeat
00:08:27because repeating is really hard.
00:08:30Was it the 0-9 Celtics?
00:08:31Did they go 27-2 out of the gate?
00:08:34Yeah, they were incredible.
00:08:36So that's the goal right now for Jomezo.
00:08:38You start opening night, that's on the board, 27-2.
00:08:43Why 27-2?
00:08:44Why would you have a goal of two losses?
00:08:47Why not go 29-0?
00:08:48Yeah, have a growth mindset.
00:08:50Because Porzingis is out so that's two losses.
00:08:52That's the handicap.
00:08:54Well, we also have not seen Al Horford yet.
00:08:57He will play.
00:08:58He's just a real slow ramp-up, a good four-month ramp-up for Al Horford.
00:09:04He is actually good.
00:09:05He will play on Tuesday against the Raptors in Toronto.
00:09:08And so I guess the new wrinkle that we have seen
00:09:11and that we saw a little bit on Saturday night against the 76ers
00:09:15is who's going to fill into that center role.
00:09:18We got to see Luke Cornett with the starters,
00:09:21absolute domination of that first quarter
00:09:24against the dancing bear Gershon Yabusele.
00:09:27Yabusele didn't know what to do with him.
00:09:30And then we also saw a bit of Tillman with the starters.
00:09:33And Tillman saw, what was it, three of three for deep?
00:09:39Tillman's flashing those things.
00:09:41Maybe the finals three in game three wasn't a fluke.
00:09:46B-Rob, what do you think is more of a sustainable thing?
00:09:51Is it Luke Cornett being an offensive powerhouse
00:09:56or is it Javier Tillman knocking down threes?
00:10:01Above the break three and above the break three from Javier Tillman.
00:10:06For as good as Cornett has looked this preseason,
00:10:09like that might be the Tillman situation
00:10:12could potentially be a bigger story here for this team
00:10:15because Luke has not let it fly yet from three.
00:10:18We'll see if those days ever do come back for him.
00:10:22But Tillman, beyond just seeing the threes,
00:10:25he's moving a lot better overall after the surgery.
00:10:28And if that sustains from the pick and pop situation for him,
00:10:32like that's a huge thing for the second unit to have
00:10:35and a huge thing for just to be able to go to in lineups
00:10:39where they want that versatility at the center spot.
00:10:42So Cornett can get all the offensive rebounds he wants over Yabu
00:10:47and stuff like that.
00:10:48But when push comes to shove,
00:10:49there's going to be a lot of really tough center matchups
00:10:51and starting lamps in the Eastern Conference
00:10:53Cornett's not going to be able to feast against.
00:10:57But he played D'Ambo last year, Jay.
00:11:01Like he's, I think, just picking up where he left off.
00:11:03Like Joe is complimenting in terms of what he's done this offseason
00:11:07coming back.
00:11:08And so, I don't know, both those guys,
00:11:11they're only in their like mid to late 20s,
00:11:13but that's like as, you know,
00:11:15seem to be as reliable as you can hope for for guys on a minimum deal.
00:11:20Yeah, and especially considering you have Porzingis out
00:11:23and Al Horford taking a long time to ramp up.
00:11:28Like it's really nice to have Cornett and Tillman,
00:11:33two guys who are super dependable,
00:11:37especially defensively for both of them.
00:11:40Like Tillman, his offense will come and go,
00:11:43but they're just, you know, they're going to be reliable.
00:11:46You know, they're going to do the right thing.
00:11:48They're going to be where they're supposed to be.
00:11:50You know, they're going to run the right play and screen the right way.
00:11:54Like that's just nice to have.
00:11:56And they both play really well with the Celtics best players.
00:12:00They're both really smart guys.
00:12:02And like Cornett to me, his emergence last year was a big deal.
00:12:08Like his season probably didn't get talked about enough
00:12:11because he didn't play a lot of minutes
00:12:13and because he was behind Chris Epps, Porzingis, and Al Horford.
00:12:17But like if you look at the advanced stats, the block rate,
00:12:21the offensive rebound rate, he was really, really productive.
00:12:26And it's funny.
00:12:29At the end of the preseason game last night
00:12:34after the Raptors made like a crazy run to cut it to four,
00:12:38I checked the spread just to see if anyone got like just hosed by the run.
00:12:44And the Raptors were one and a half point favorites.
00:12:47I was like, why? Why?
00:12:49It's because Luke Cornett wasn't playing.
00:12:51And I get like Scottie Barnes was out there and Yaka Pirtle,
00:12:55but it's like Peyton Pritchard was clearly going to dominate the game.
00:12:59If you've watched Peyton Pritchard in the preseason,
00:13:02if you've watched Peyton Pritchard when the Celtics are down a lot of bodies,
00:13:06like Peyton Pritchard and Sam Hauser were going to toast them.
00:13:09And early on it was just Pritchard and Hauser and Lonnie Walker.
00:13:15Like those guys just, they're, Pritchard and Hauser are really good.
00:13:21And even against starters, like they can hold their own.
00:13:25They can control the game.
00:13:27They're tough to deal with because they're constantly moving.
00:13:31They're constantly, you know, putting pressure on the defense.
00:13:35And then they're able to just spot up and let it fly from anywhere.
00:13:39So I was surprised when I saw that the Raptors were favored.
00:13:44Like it was just maybe Vegas was pulling one over
00:13:49on the degenerates that in Celtics Raptors preseason.
00:13:53Scal was talking during the game that the two guys next to him
00:13:56sitting court side were definitely had action on the game
00:13:59because they were flipping out about the Raptors late comeback
00:14:02in the fourth quarter and not something you normally do.
00:14:05Must have been a live line.
00:14:06Yeah.
00:14:08Maybe they went under.
00:14:10Maybe, yeah.
00:14:11They went under on preseason basketball games.
00:14:14Some real sicko behavior right there.
00:14:15Real sickos up.
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00:15:22Before we get to Pritchard and Hauser,
00:15:25I do want to get back to Cornette
00:15:27because we got this little narrative that emerged
00:15:31and I feel like it was all Corrales' fault
00:15:34because I didn't see it until someone brought it up on their podcast.
00:15:38Should Al Horford start or come off the bench
00:15:41as Luke Cornette played so well that he's earned himself a starter role?
00:15:46I believe Joe was asked about this,
00:15:48but to me this falls under the folder of preseason poppycock.
00:15:52B-Rob, what do you think about this question?
00:15:55Yeah, Joe has a very like,
00:15:59we could do it.
00:16:00We'll see because that's he plays everything like that.
00:16:03Every door though.
00:16:04He's not going to give you any kind of tell on that front.
00:16:08The one thing that you can make case for bringing off the bench
00:16:12is just to keep literally just to keep his minutes down
00:16:14from a standpoint of like if you if they want him for whatever this year,
00:16:17if they want him below like 25,
00:16:18if they want him closer to 20 than 25 minutes this year,
00:16:21then that's tough to do in the starting five.
00:16:24You can sub him out at like three minutes.
00:16:26Yeah, you can sub him out at five minutes.
00:16:28It's trickier.
00:16:29But I agree like with that said I'm off.
00:16:31I like there's not a lot of back-to-backs begin the year.
00:16:34And so it's you're like, oh, yeah, you could have the quantity.
00:16:37No, like there's three or four back-to-backs
00:16:39or like opening night against Carl Anthony Towns.
00:16:42Who do you want out there?
00:16:43Al Horford or Luke Cornette to start the game like
00:16:46and you go on and on there.
00:16:48I think and on top of that,
00:16:50Jay, I think I think Al Horford's a prideful guy
00:16:52and Al Horford was happy to sacrifice for this team last year
00:16:55when there was five all-star caliber players there.
00:16:59I don't think unless he's he will do it,
00:17:02but I don't think unless I don't think he'd be happily saying,
00:17:04yeah, come off the bench for Luke Cornette
00:17:07when he obviously is very much a starting caliber player
00:17:11in this league at this point.
00:17:12So unless it's part of his even slower ramp up,
00:17:14like he needs to.
00:17:15Yeah, right.
00:17:16I mean, that could be right.
00:17:17If it's if it's and that is the thing,
00:17:18if it's physically like that's where that's where he's at,
00:17:21where he's gonna be at a minute's limit,
00:17:22then maybe maybe they will do that.
00:17:23I don't know.
00:17:25When Joe said that,
00:17:27it was hard to tell whether he was letting you in on a secret
00:17:32and they are actually considering bringing out off the bench
00:17:36or he was just answering a question and like,
00:17:38yeah, I was open to whatever we're just going to to me.
00:17:42I agree.
00:17:43I don't want to put like like not selfish,
00:17:49but I don't want to put self-centered thoughts onto Al Horford.
00:17:53But I remember when he first got back to the Celtics after leaving
00:17:58and at that time,
00:18:00there was a question about whether he would start
00:18:02and he was just kind of like,
00:18:05I want to start.
00:18:06It means a lot to me to start.
00:18:07At that time,
00:18:08it was a different situation,
00:18:10but it makes me wonder,
00:18:12would he be okay?
00:18:14Like, like,
00:18:15like B Rob said,
00:18:16with playing behind Luke Cornette after everything he's done for the
00:18:20franchise after the way he played throughout the playoffs last year to then
00:18:24come back and be like,
00:18:25yeah,
00:18:26you're going to be off the bench.
00:18:27I don't know.
00:18:29The other thing,
00:18:30if they do do that to me,
00:18:33it would be more about how Horford plays with Sam Hauser and Peyton
00:18:39Pritchard.
00:18:40That like you're not worried about Luke Cornette and the starting lineup
00:18:44because you know that he compliments those guys.
00:18:47You know that he can hold his own against starting centers.
00:18:50Like,
00:18:51yeah,
00:18:52there would be some,
00:18:53some matchups that would be tough for him,
00:18:55whatever.
00:18:56But for the most part,
00:18:57you can play Luke Cornette with the starters and it'd be okay.
00:18:59To me,
00:19:00that decision could come down to how do you maximize that second unit,
00:19:04which was really a huge,
00:19:06huge piece for the Celtics last year.
00:19:09And like
00:19:15bench come in and be plus 15 points per a hundred possessions is just
00:19:18insane.
00:19:19And that's what they were.
00:19:20One picture.
00:19:27We lost day for me.
00:19:29Like,
00:19:30that's what the decision would come down to as long as he's willing to
00:19:32do whatever it takes.
00:19:35I don't know.
00:19:36I gotcha.
00:19:37Like,
00:19:38I got it all quick and fast forwarded at the end.
00:19:40So hopefully that picked up the recording.
00:19:42I do think that's interesting from a rotational perspective of just like
00:19:45if the second unit is Al Horford with Pritchard and Hauser and two of the
00:19:50starters,
00:19:51and you have that five out spacing,
00:19:53like the Celtics did such a good job of just beating every other team's
00:19:56bench.
00:19:57And to channel my inner Brad Stevens,
00:20:00if Brad Stevens got asked this question,
00:20:02it's not about who starts the game.
00:20:04It's about who finishes the game.
00:20:06And I feel like no matter what Al Horford is going to be in the closing
00:20:10five.
00:20:11And so me,
00:20:13it's,
00:20:14it's probably a moot point.
00:20:16I don't know how important that is,
00:20:18but maybe we'll do it to limit his minutes.
00:20:21Jay,
00:20:22you brought up earlier Pritchard and Hauser.
00:20:26Is there a chance that they,
00:20:27they have this potential to take the leap or am I just wildly overreacting
00:20:31to the four proceeds preseason games at this point,
00:20:35V Rob,
00:20:36because it feels like they like,
00:20:38I guess less so from Pritchard it's less notable,
00:20:40but it feels like Hauser has done a little bit to add to his game.
00:20:43And he's not just a three point shooter anymore.
00:20:45I think he's going to get some more two point shots and doing a little bit
00:20:48more off the dribble.
00:20:49I think Tom Westerholt made a good point.
00:20:51It's like,
00:20:52I think practicing against drew holiday and Derek white every day will
00:20:54probably make these guys a lot better on offense.
00:20:57But I feel like if there's anyone a chance to make like a noticeable leap
00:21:01in their games,
00:21:02it's those two guys coming off the bench.
00:21:05Yeah.
00:21:06It's certainly,
00:21:07I think the confidence boost those guys got from their run last year.
00:21:11It can't be underrated here either.
00:21:14Pritchard.
00:21:15This is what is coming up on this fifth year and lean up,
00:21:18but he's been,
00:21:19he's been playing like since his rookie year now.
00:21:21So he's,
00:21:22he's seasoned.
00:21:23He's someone who's been there.
00:21:24And like you said,
00:21:25when you're going up against,
00:21:27when you're just modeling your games and you're watching Derek white and
00:21:30drew holiday day after day after day,
00:21:32you know,
00:21:33you can find your spots.
00:21:35You can pick up things from them defensively.
00:21:37And those guys,
00:21:39I don't know.
00:21:40Like you put those guys on the Raptors,
00:21:41Hauser,
00:21:42like Hauser and Pritchard Packard.
00:21:44Like those guys probably can put up between 15 to 20 points a game
00:21:49potentially in terms of like,
00:21:51if they got the opportunities.
00:21:52And so we see nights like this,
00:21:54I'll just,
00:21:55aren't going to need them to do that many nights,
00:21:57I think this year,
00:21:58but we're forcing us out without out with,
00:22:00if depending on how careful they are through this year,
00:22:02maybe there is going to be games where those guys are going to get a lot
00:22:05more rope.
00:22:06And it is,
00:22:07I do think the upside is there based on what we've seen in these first
00:22:10couple of weeks of the preseason.
00:22:12Jay,
00:22:13where do you think Hauser is in his Duncan Robinson evolution of taking
00:22:16guys off the dribble?
00:22:17You were a naysayer to begin the season,
00:22:19but you know,
00:22:20he's shown some things early in the preseason.
00:22:22He might be making some two point shots for you.
00:22:25He really hasn't done a whole lot of that.
00:22:28If you watch Duncan Robinson last year,
00:22:30he was like running,
00:22:31pick and roll.
00:22:32I asked you where he was.
00:22:34I'm not saying he's full Duncan Robinson yet.
00:22:36I'm asking you where he is in the evolution to become full Duncan Robinson.
00:22:39He's,
00:22:41he's not probably going to have more than 65 two point field goals this
00:22:48year.
00:22:49You'll rue the day you made this bad prediction.
00:22:51You'll rue it.
00:22:52He's done.
00:22:53He's added a little bit more to his game off the dribble.
00:22:55It's all I'm saying.
00:22:57Yeah.
00:23:00That's what we're here for.
00:23:01Jay.
00:23:02We're talking about the Celtics.
00:23:03It's a Celtics podcast.
00:23:04I know.
00:23:05I just don't see that.
00:23:06He's like chopping guys.
00:23:09I don't see him really getting to the rim very often.
00:23:13He's has,
00:23:14he made a couple of twos.
00:23:15Yeah,
00:23:16sure.
00:23:18You know,
00:23:19who was getting into the room nicely.
00:23:20Enormous evolution.
00:23:23Who's that?
00:23:24You know,
00:23:25who was getting into the room a lot on Sunday night,
00:23:27Jordan Walsh.
00:23:29Had some,
00:23:30I don't know where this kind of came from.
00:23:31Like from a finishing standpoint,
00:23:33I feel like was,
00:23:35uh,
00:23:36you know,
00:23:37fairly not there for him silly,
00:23:38but everyone talks about the three.
00:23:39He had some nice finishes,
00:23:40you know,
00:23:41not just Sunday night,
00:23:42but throughout this prison right now.
00:23:43And like just driving those clothes out.
00:23:45I mean,
00:23:46the lefty,
00:23:47the lefties like finger roll off the glass.
00:23:49Yeah,
00:23:50that was tough.
00:23:51The one in the first half where he kind of like hesitated,
00:23:53got a guy on his back and then went up with it.
00:23:55It was just like,
00:23:56where is this Jordan Walsh?
00:23:57Like I've watched those summer league games.
00:23:59He was not like this.
00:24:01And like,
00:24:02I don't know what's more real.
00:24:03Is it,
00:24:04they go into the basket,
00:24:05getting to the rim.
00:24:06Is it the three point shooting?
00:24:08Um,
00:24:09is he emerged as like,
00:24:11I think we've,
00:24:12we've fairly established what the top nine guys in the rotation is.
00:24:14And I guess this is what the preseason is for,
00:24:17but is he the,
00:24:19is he the 10th guy now?
00:24:20Is he the next guy off the bench to get minutes?
00:24:22Has he earned that through his play in the preseason?
00:24:24Be Rob.
00:24:26Yes.
00:24:27It's assuming Lonnie Walker's on this team.
00:24:29Um,
00:24:30doesn't make this.
00:24:31We'll get to Lonnie.
00:24:32Um,
00:24:33but yeah,
00:24:34like there's,
00:24:35this is a,
00:24:36no,
00:24:37you know,
00:24:38I talk to people,
00:24:39um,
00:24:40behind the scenes,
00:24:41like going into camp,
00:24:42like people are like,
00:24:43Oh,
00:24:44the competition is going to like,
00:24:45it's going to be Baylor versus like James Pringer.
00:24:47That was the expectation for that spot.
00:24:49And lo and behold,
00:24:50Jordan Walsh comes out of the woodwork here and clearly had a good start to
00:24:53the game with the fact that he got the playing time out of the gate in the
00:24:56Abu Dhabi games and now has sustained it for four preseason games.
00:25:01Now to the point where,
00:25:02you know,
00:25:03he's getting those looks and he's bringing consistently what I think Joe
00:25:06wants from a rebounding standpoint,
00:25:08from a defense standpoint.
00:25:09And now I don't like the,
00:25:10the offense J is like found money with him at this point,
00:25:13because if he was doing enough,
00:25:14the other stuff,
00:25:15that'd be fine.
00:25:16Like you can get away with that.
00:25:17But now he's,
00:25:19I think just maturing a lot faster than we,
00:25:22we expected him to,
00:25:23at this point,
00:25:24we'll see if it translates,
00:25:25but that that's a,
00:25:26that's a very big deal for this team.
00:25:27If he can start doing some of this stuff when he is called upon.
00:25:30And who knows if the shot will stick,
00:25:33but to me,
00:25:34everything else is promising.
00:25:37The offensive rebounding,
00:25:39they've,
00:25:40they've put a huge emphasis for him on crashing the glass and he,
00:25:45he keeps grabbing big ones and then,
00:25:48then making stuff happen afterward.
00:25:50He had a big one against Toronto and then kicked it out for a three.
00:25:53He's just,
00:25:54he's making smart decisions.
00:25:56He's being a complimentary piece.
00:25:58He's his passing,
00:26:00which I think is probably an underrated skill of his.
00:26:04He he's,
00:26:07he's able to find guys in transition.
00:26:10He's able to handle the ball in transition.
00:26:12And so I've been impressed by Jordan Walsh and especially coming off the
00:26:17summer league,
00:26:19which was sort of a disaster.
00:26:21Like he looked in summer league the way you absolutely do not want a second
00:26:27year pro to look,
00:26:28which is timid,
00:26:30I'm unsure of himself.
00:26:32Just you're supposed to dominate when you come back for a second year of
00:26:35summer league.
00:26:36And he was so far from dominating that,
00:26:39that it was,
00:26:40it was easy to question whether he even had a chance to fight for a
00:26:44rotation minutes.
00:26:46And now here we are.
00:26:48And I would probably put him as,
00:26:51as the leader right now to,
00:26:53to take over the O'Shea Brissett role.
00:26:55I don't know if like,
00:26:57I don't have all the information.
00:26:59I haven't seen all the practices.
00:27:00I don't know where the Celtics,
00:27:02exactly where they are on that.
00:27:07And it'll probably be a little fluid I'm sure during the season,
00:27:10but yeah,
00:27:12he's been,
00:27:13he's been really good.
00:27:14And he's been consistent too.
00:27:15Like even on nights of shots missing,
00:27:17he's,
00:27:18he's helped out when the shot goes in,
00:27:20he's helped out a lot.
00:27:21So salute to Jordan Walsh.
00:27:23He he's come a long way over a few months and summer league ended.
00:27:26I know if it's just based on games alone,
00:27:30I don't think it's going to be Baylor Shire because that guy can't make a
00:27:34shot.
00:27:35It's almost comical at this point.
00:27:36It is comical.
00:27:38Some of those shots,
00:27:41some of those shots,
00:27:43not even the three he had from the corner where he tried to do like the,
00:27:50the Pat Connaughton,
00:27:51like catch it and don't,
00:27:53don't dip at all.
00:27:54Just keep it high and let it fly.
00:27:57It went like five feet past the rim did not even come close,
00:28:00not even remotely close.
00:28:02And,
00:28:03and Shireman needs to shoot well,
00:28:04right?
00:28:05Like Jordan Walsh,
00:28:06he's out there to defend.
00:28:07He's out there to rebound.
00:28:08He's out there to help you in other ways.
00:28:10Shireman is not going to make the same impact defensively that Jordan
00:28:16Walsh is.
00:28:17And so he has to be knocked down and he's been so far from it so far.
00:28:21Maybe it's just young guy getting his legs,
00:28:24right?
00:28:25Young guy,
00:28:26you know,
00:28:27getting ready,
00:28:28getting used to the speed of the game.
00:28:29He it's funny.
00:28:32If you look at his college stats,
00:28:33his,
00:28:34his,
00:28:36after he transferred from,
00:28:38was it South Dakota state to Creighton his first year at Creighton,
00:28:42the three point numbers were like pretty wobbly.
00:28:45And then second year is when he put it into high gear,
00:28:49became just a knockdown guy.
00:28:51So maybe that's it.
00:28:52He just needs a little time to adjust.
00:28:55And once he gets ready,
00:28:56once he gets used to it,
00:28:58they'll start going down like he's used to,
00:29:00but man,
00:29:01it's been like beyond ugly so far.
00:29:03Yeah.
00:29:04We'll see.
00:29:05We'll see in Maine.
00:29:06It looks like as far as opportunity goes.
00:29:10Cause yeah.
00:29:11Like coming off of,
00:29:12cause the shot didn't really,
00:29:14he did other stuff well in summer league,
00:29:16but like the shot really wasn't there in summer league either.
00:29:18And that is certainly when you're that's,
00:29:22that's what he was drafted for first and foremost.
00:29:24And so that has to come around at some point.
00:29:26And for now it's not that big of a deal because Jordan Walsh is ready for
00:29:30theirs,
00:29:31but you know,
00:29:32like I said,
00:29:33like if he gets,
00:29:34gets a year,
00:29:35get comfortable in Maine or just,
00:29:36you know,
00:29:37even a half season and just,
00:29:38you know,
00:29:39I'm sure he's going to get a chance here or there over the course of
00:29:41the season,
00:29:42just naturally Packard.
00:29:43But like by and large right now,
00:29:44that's if you're going to look at,
00:29:46you know,
00:29:47underwhelming preseason performances across this team,
00:29:49that's probably,
00:29:50you know,
00:29:51top of the list right now.
00:29:52Yeah.
00:29:53And Shireman,
00:29:54he may be four years older than Jordan Walsh,
00:29:56but Walsh does have a year of just like playing in the NBA.
00:29:59And I feel like that's like a huge adjustment.
00:30:01Adjusting to the speed of the NBA,
00:30:03the size of the guys,
00:30:04the strength,
00:30:05the guys,
00:30:06the athleticism.
00:30:07So it feels like it's Walsh's position right now to kind of be that
00:30:1110th guy.
00:30:12Maybe that O'Shea preset role in the rotation.
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00:31:37Now the man that everyone is clamoring for.
00:31:42And it's always funny how like,
00:31:44maybe it's just because the guy is,
00:31:46is it can get the biscuit in the basket as Drew Carter said on the
00:31:50broadcast,
00:31:51but like Celtics read it or like Celtics,
00:31:54Twitter,
00:31:55Celtics fans in general.
00:31:56I thought you were going to talk about Skopince for a second.
00:31:58I can't say his last name.
00:32:00So I was going to try to avoid it.
00:32:01Um,
00:32:02but no,
00:32:03the guy everyone is clamoring for.
00:32:04And they're like,
00:32:05he must make this team.
00:32:06They must sign him is Lonnie Walker.
00:32:08The fourth.
00:32:09And to give Lonnie Walker,
00:32:11the fourth,
00:32:12some credit.
00:32:13Um,
00:32:14he got the biscuit in the basket scored 20 points,
00:32:16uh,
00:32:17against the Raptors.
00:32:18I think it was three of six from three,
00:32:20maybe,
00:32:21maybe knock down four threes for nine.
00:32:23I believe four for nine.
00:32:25So maybe a little bit worse percentage,
00:32:27but still,
00:32:28you know,
00:32:29that's a damn near 40 upwards of 40% there.
00:32:31Jay.
00:32:33The question is,
00:32:34is he worth paying the veteran minimum,
00:32:38which is $2.5 million.
00:32:40And then I think the tax,
00:32:41because they're so far in the tax,
00:32:43it's 2.5 times that.
00:32:44So it's basically like,
00:32:45is Lonnie Walker worth the seven,
00:32:48$8 million.
00:32:49The Celtics would have to spend if they want to bring them in for that
00:32:51last roster spot.
00:32:52And then there's another question now,
00:32:54which is if they determine that he's not worth that and they want him to
00:33:00go to Maine,
00:33:01is another team going to sign him based off number one,
00:33:06past production and number two,
00:33:08the way he's looked with extended run over these two preseason games.
00:33:12So I think,
00:33:13right.
00:33:14It's,
00:33:15it's becoming more complicated.
00:33:16Um,
00:33:17the first two games of preseason,
00:33:19he looked like just not at all in the Celtics plans after the third
00:33:24preseason game,
00:33:25when he played a lot of minutes,
00:33:26he said it was the first time getting any reps at all with Peyton
00:33:29Pritchard and the usual Celtics bench.
00:33:31He's been playing with the,
00:33:34the GLE guys basically at practice.
00:33:37So,
00:33:38but those two games,
00:33:40he was really good.
00:33:41And the,
00:33:42I thought when he played with the bench,
00:33:45when the Celtics starters.
00:33:50Yeah,
00:33:51that was the part that stood out to me because he's,
00:33:53you know,
00:33:54he can take tough shots.
00:33:57You know,
00:33:58he will make tough shots sometimes,
00:34:00you know,
00:34:01he can erupt and score,
00:34:03but can he fit into the offense?
00:34:05Can he be more efficient than he has been in the past?
00:34:08Can he just really be go from a guy who can score in double digits as he
00:34:14has in three of his six NBA seasons to a guy who is out there to help your
00:34:19team.
00:34:20And I thought it was really promising that first night.
00:34:23And then the second night he came back,
00:34:24thought he was good for the most part.
00:34:26Again,
00:34:27there were a couple of moments that stood out to me.
00:34:29And,
00:34:30and one of them was,
00:34:32he got Yaka Pirtle on a switch and Pirtle was out on the perimeter and
00:34:40Lonnie Walker,
00:34:41instead of keeping the advantage,
00:34:43trying to attack him,
00:34:44making a play for somebody else,
00:34:46or maybe getting to the couple himself,
00:34:48he shot like this awful step back three over the top of Pirtle.
00:34:53And Joe was so mad on the sideline,
00:34:55like absolutely fuming on the sideline.
00:34:58And like,
00:35:00that's,
00:35:01that's the,
00:35:02the concern about Lonnie Walker.
00:35:04That's what they're trying to teach him out of doing is like those moments of
00:35:09settling.
00:35:10And those moments of looking for his own offense when he should try to do
00:35:14something else.
00:35:15And it was funny because he got similar situations a couple of other times and
00:35:19attacked and,
00:35:21and did it differently.
00:35:22And like,
00:35:23you can tell he's really trying to,
00:35:25to fit into the Celtic system,
00:35:27do what they want.
00:35:28And from the sound of it,
00:35:30from what he's saying,
00:35:31at least like this whole experience has changed him and,
00:35:35and kind of forced him to,
00:35:38I don't want to say rededicate himself to basketball,
00:35:41but just push his dedication to another level because he is fighting for a
00:35:45roster spot.
00:35:46He is fighting right now for,
00:35:49for a chance after,
00:35:50you know,
00:35:51being a first round pick and a guy with the Lakers signed a mid-level deal
00:35:55with them.
00:35:56It's just kind of been like slowly,
00:35:59gradually falling lower and lower on the NBA totem pole.
00:36:03And so he's trying to reestablish himself.
00:36:05And so far I think he's done a good job.
00:36:08Of,
00:36:09of just being humble and,
00:36:12and just trying to do whatever the Celtics need from him.
00:36:17Yeah.
00:36:18If you're Brad Stevens in the front office the last two nights,
00:36:20you're like,
00:36:21no Lonnie don't play this.
00:36:22Well,
00:36:23like this is to keep this on ice for a couple more weeks.
00:36:25So the rest of the league doesn't see this and pluck you away.
00:36:28Cause it is the perfect road.
00:36:29It's like,
00:36:30all right.
00:36:31Lonnie gets in the system.
00:36:32He goes up to Maine.
00:36:33He plays well up there.
00:36:34Maybe at the trade that might,
00:36:36we make some moves.
00:36:37We open up a roster spot for him.
00:36:38And I honestly think guys like this could potentially be,
00:36:41you know,
00:36:42forget about this year,
00:36:43but like down the line,
00:36:46they're going to obviously be down rotation bodies just due to the
00:36:50finances.
00:36:51And Lonnie Walker is the ideal guy to bring in there.
00:36:54And on the minimum or something like that,
00:36:58a year or two down the line and get them in the system.
00:37:00And if you have them already integrated and then he can become a
00:37:03contributor,
00:37:04like that's great.
00:37:05But to be able to get to that point is a whole nother situation.
00:37:08If obviously he's not going to wait around for a year,
00:37:10if another NBA team comes calling of an opportunity,
00:37:12which I think probably some might should based on how he's looked in
00:37:17these last couple of games,
00:37:18if he's kind of changed his game of it as Jay laid out there.
00:37:22So that is going to be,
00:37:23I think a fascinating subplot of cuts in the next week or two is like
00:37:28how this plays out around the league and whether another team comes
00:37:33calling or I don't know, Packard, would, would you, would you trade away?
00:37:36Would you try to trade away Jayden Springer to,
00:37:38to open up a spot for Lonnie Walker now?
00:37:42I would personally,
00:37:44cause I just haven't seen a lot from Jayden Springer.
00:37:46I feel like Jayden Springer might be a couple of years away from being a
00:37:49couple of years away at this point.
00:37:51I think it's a very interesting question,
00:37:54especially in the context of the Celtics are actively selling the team
00:38:00seemingly because Irv Grosbeck didn't like how much money they were paying.
00:38:04And so it's this extra $8 million. Yes.
00:38:09They're like billionaires, but it's like, it's just added money in tax.
00:38:12Are they willing to kind of spend that?
00:38:15I think it's interesting to bring up the like long-term consequences.
00:38:18Like what if you offer him a long-term contract and you can lock Lonnie
00:38:21Walker in on a minimum deal for the next couple of years,
00:38:24I think it's going to be very interesting to see how they play this because
00:38:27in terms of talent, it feels like he just,
00:38:31just in terms of shooting alone is a guy you want on your rotation.
00:38:35You want someone who can just knock down threes and can kind of give you a
00:38:39bit of playmaking, a bit of scoring.
00:38:41Like I'm just thinking of like what they had and what roles they had after
00:38:44O'Shea Brissett last year, they didn't really have,
00:38:47like Steve came in and just chucked and he was an offensive option.
00:38:51Then you kind of had like energy guys in Banton and Stevens,
00:38:54but you didn't have really anyone else who could come in and score the
00:38:57basketball as easily as Walker can.
00:38:59So just like from a pure talent perspective,
00:39:02it feels like obviously you want him on the roster,
00:39:05but I can also understand,
00:39:06especially when you already are worried about how much money you're spending
00:39:10pain, I guess,
00:39:12would it be $8 million for, to, to bring him in when,
00:39:15when you do bring him in, he's still going to be at best.
00:39:19What the 11th man, like he's still behind Peyton Pritchard.
00:39:23He's the fourth would be the fourth guard on the team.
00:39:25And so is it worth it to pay him to be not get that many minutes?
00:39:30I have a question here.
00:39:32If,
00:39:33if you weren't ever going to have Lonnie Walker on your roster and if there
00:39:38was no chance he'd ever make the team,
00:39:42why would you even bother bringing him in?
00:39:46And, and that's where I bring in someone.
00:39:48That's where I do wonder, you know,
00:39:52it's gotta be hard to,
00:39:54for him to make the team just because of the financial realities that you laid
00:39:57out.
00:39:58But also if he's doing everything right and,
00:40:02and he's coming to work every day and he's improving and he's committing to
00:40:05everything that coaching staff has asked him to do.
00:40:08There's a lot of talent there.
00:40:10And,
00:40:11and I think the league sort of soured on him because it's like,
00:40:16sure.
00:40:17You get numbers for yourself,
00:40:18but how much are you really helping everyone else?
00:40:20How much are you really helping the team?
00:40:23But if the Celtics can coach him out of that,
00:40:26like there's,
00:40:28I just feel like there's,
00:40:29there's a,
00:40:30a real player inside of him to mine.
00:40:33And,
00:40:34and if you were,
00:40:35if,
00:40:36if there was no chance,
00:40:37why'd you bring him in?
00:40:39If there was a chance,
00:40:40then I think the way he's approached this and the way that he's played when
00:40:45he's been given opportunities,
00:40:48he's gotta be opening their eyes and,
00:40:53and,
00:40:54you know,
00:40:55maybe convincing them that,
00:40:57that it would,
00:40:58it would be worth it to,
00:41:00to keep him around and,
00:41:02and just see what happens.
00:41:04Yeah.
00:41:05That's the biggest part.
00:41:06Like he,
00:41:07he is forcing the issue right now.
00:41:08Like with obviously the games against Denver,
00:41:10it's end of the bench.
00:41:11Like he obviously didn't even play well in those spots.
00:41:14But now when you see the mix and how he meshed well with Pritchard and
00:41:19Hauser,
00:41:20it's like,
00:41:21okay,
00:41:22like this,
00:41:23you see the kind of the vision there.
00:41:24And it is,
00:41:25it's,
00:41:26I think in a perfect world,
00:41:27if there was no financial locations,
00:41:29like he'd be an easy choice.
00:41:30Of course you,
00:41:31you care him as a 15th guy,
00:41:32but now it's like,
00:41:33you have to weigh not just the flexibility of like,
00:41:37do you want that roster spot open?
00:41:39Or if like,
00:41:40what if we want to keep Jane Springer for a trade down the line?
00:41:43Like,
00:41:44cause we're obviously they have very limited flexibility to what they can do
00:41:47with any type of trades this year.
00:41:48But if Y just plays good enough and it's like,
00:41:51Hey,
00:41:52this is a proven NBA player who obviously was able to contribute in the
00:41:55playoffs a couple of years ago on a,
00:41:57a Lakers team that went to the conference finals.
00:41:59Like that's a pretty good guy to have.
00:42:01And if you're going to,
00:42:02if it's losing him outright versus like making,
00:42:06you know,
00:42:07the money work for the start of the season,
00:42:09it's like that,
00:42:10that's a tough choice.
00:42:11And so it's,
00:42:12it's,
00:42:13I think it's going to come down sadly,
00:42:14probably going to come down to finance for that stuff.
00:42:16But there's,
00:42:17like you said,
00:42:18Jay,
00:42:19there's no doubt that like they liked him a lot.
00:42:20And I think what the rumor was last year,
00:42:21they looked at him at the trade deadline too.
00:42:23So like,
00:42:24this is clearly not something that they just brought in for,
00:42:27for no reason.
00:42:28They obviously see something in the mirror.
00:42:30Yeah.
00:42:31I think it's a good point.
00:42:32Like if you make the signing and hoping that he makes the roster,
00:42:35like you don't,
00:42:36you wouldn't sign a bad player just to like.
00:42:38The counterpoint to that is maybe you sign him,
00:42:41hoping you,
00:42:42he ends up in Maine and you get him really cheap and have him in
00:42:45your organization.
00:42:46And then maybe after that,
00:42:48then you're able to.
00:42:50Like sign him like Nibi did at the end of the year.
00:42:52Like you,
00:42:53you have him on the roster spot.
00:42:55And then like you,
00:42:56like Patrick said,
00:42:57maybe you add the option for next season and then become,
00:42:59that becomes a nice little chip for you down the line.
00:43:01But is he too good for that?
00:43:03Like when,
00:43:04when he says,
00:43:05oh,
00:43:06like Brad talked to me about going to Maine,
00:43:07like he's not going to make the roster and then go play for the
00:43:09Maine Celtics.
00:43:10Like that was the implication there to be like,
00:43:12all right,
00:43:13you,
00:43:14we might cut you and hope you go play in Maine for us.
00:43:16And then are you trust us enough to know that we're going to give
00:43:18you a chance to be on the other side,
00:43:20which I think perhaps he was a show.
00:43:22Like he can at least point to the track record of guys.
00:43:24Like,
00:43:25Hey,
00:43:26look at,
00:43:27look at the guys who's come up through the system and had gotten
00:43:29their contracts.
00:43:30Like Sam has,
00:43:31or for instance,
00:43:32like if you,
00:43:33if you do what we want you to do and develop,
00:43:35like we'll take care of you.
00:43:36And Walker could look around the league right now.
00:43:38And be like,
00:43:39all right,
00:43:40this might be my best bet to get watch onto this organization and
00:43:42wait my turn for a bigger role.
00:43:44That being said other teams,
00:43:46not in the tax,
00:43:47just have to pay him the two and a half million dollars.
00:43:50He's owed for a veteran minimum.
00:43:51And like,
00:43:52is this it's much easier.
00:43:54I can imagine Lonnie Walker being like,
00:43:56I would like the guaranteed contract and to be on an NBA team rather
00:44:00than the promise of perhaps making the team in the future and having
00:44:04to take a bunch of trips off to Portland,
00:44:06Maine,
00:44:07no matter how pretty Portland,
00:44:08Maine is in the fall.
00:44:09I mean,
00:44:10the,
00:44:11you could just do it for the foliage alone,
00:44:12but we'll see.
00:44:13Oh,
00:44:14fellas,
00:44:15you were in the building.
00:44:16Any other basketball observations before we get to the general nonsense
00:44:19portion of the show?
00:44:23Jayden Springer started preseason.
00:44:26And it was like,
00:44:27Ooh,
00:44:28Jayden Springer's got a chance to play minutes.
00:44:29Jayden Springer ended preseason.
00:44:31And it's now like,
00:44:32Hey,
00:44:33I don't know.
00:44:34Joe got pretty mad at him.
00:44:36If he got yanked him in that second quarter,
00:44:38he's screaming at him to take a charge that he didn't take.
00:44:41I think it was after a turnover,
00:44:43but yeah,
00:44:44he probably,
00:44:45I don't think he had a good,
00:44:46definitely not have a good sequence there.
00:44:47And yeah.
00:44:49And he played less minutes than a lot of guys.
00:44:52You got a DNP on a,
00:44:55on Saturday against his old team.
00:44:58If you at least give them like a chance to F you to Daryl Morey,
00:45:02but they didn't even do that.
00:45:03Yeah.
00:45:04Yeah.
00:45:05Not,
00:45:06not his stock is a,
00:45:07not turning the right direction right now.
00:45:09Uh,
00:45:10to heading into the radio season.
00:45:12Yeah.
00:45:13And then Jordan Walsh's stock and Lonnie Walker stock.
00:45:16Yes.
00:45:17Rose at the same time.
00:45:18So not great for,
00:45:21for Jayden Springer.
00:45:22I don't think.
00:45:25All right.
00:45:26Hearing no other,
00:45:27you know,
00:45:28really astute basketball observations.
00:45:29Uh,
00:45:30was that really astute?
00:45:31No,
00:45:32I was being generous.
00:45:34You know,
00:45:35I was trying to,
00:45:36you know,
00:45:37you know,
00:45:38build up the,
00:45:39the competence of the entire team in terms of their takes.
00:45:41Um,
00:45:42normally I wanted to try out a segment called,
00:45:44uh,
00:45:45stuff.
00:45:46Joe Missoula says,
00:45:47but he was not that interesting over the two games.
00:45:49And so we're going to do stuff.
00:45:51Joe Missoula does Jordan Walsh revealed that last season.
00:45:56He may,
00:45:57he got hazed by the head coach,
00:45:59The head coach hazed him and made him sing boys to men in front of the
00:46:03other teams and dance and sing and dance the boys to men's like pretty
00:46:08like slow,
00:46:09passionate R and B.
00:46:11It feels like the most humiliating song,
00:46:14like,
00:46:15like kind of band or group choice.
00:46:16You could make a young guy sing.
00:46:18And I'm sure Jordan,
00:46:19he's 20 years old.
00:46:20I'm sure he has no idea who boys to men is.
00:46:22Um,
00:46:23it felt like when he said boys to men to us that he wasn't sure whether
00:46:28anyone would,
00:46:29and we were like,
00:46:30Ooh,
00:46:31boys.
00:46:32Yeah,
00:46:33that's our jam.
00:46:34Well,
00:46:35I guess.
00:46:36So what's the question now?
00:46:37Like what's,
00:46:38what's your guys,
00:46:39uh,
00:46:40boys to men would be your option there.
00:46:42If you had to sing it to the team,
00:46:43what are you going to go?
00:46:44Well,
00:46:45what do you think Jordan Walsh?
00:46:46Do you think they were told him what he had to sing?
00:46:47Or do you think he had,
00:46:48he,
00:46:49he got to,
00:46:50uh,
00:46:51I don't have a deep boys to men bag.
00:46:53I just,
00:46:54I know some
00:46:56that's a good guess.
00:46:58If he's had to sing at the end of the road,
00:47:00just a solo and then dance to that.
00:47:02That's feels like torture.
00:47:03I can't believe Joe Missoula is in charge of this.
00:47:05This seems outrageous.
00:47:07See,
00:47:08I feel like that's far easier to dance to than like something fast.
00:47:12Cause you just have to just kind of sway your body a little bit.
00:47:15You don't have to,
00:47:16you don't have to go crazy.
00:47:17That's a fair point.
00:47:19Jay,
00:47:20but the,
00:47:21the bigger story is Joe Missoula is hazing.
00:47:24Normally the veterans are in charge of that stuff.
00:47:26Like that's not the head coach's responsibility.
00:47:29We should have known that Joe Missoula hazes rookies.
00:47:32He probably hazes veterans as well.
00:47:34I,
00:47:35I doubt that he only hazes rookies.
00:47:37He's kind of,
00:47:39I would guess he's one of the biggest,
00:47:42like bullies among coaches.
00:47:44I don't say so.
00:47:46And I,
00:47:47I mean,
00:47:48I don't mean that like,
00:47:49like problematically or anything like that.
00:47:51I just think he wants to test you mentally.
00:47:54He wants to force you to do uncomfortable things.
00:47:56And sometimes that means dancing to boys,
00:48:00to men in front of all your teammates.
00:48:02Also the Jordan Walsh said that he becomes like,
00:48:08he loses his rookie status next week.
00:48:11Yeah.
00:48:12I don't agree with,
00:48:13which I don't get that.
00:48:14As soon as Baylor Shireman joins the team,
00:48:16Jordan,
00:48:17like as soon as the NBA year ticks over July 1st,
00:48:20you should not be,
00:48:21Jordan Walsh should not be a rookie.
00:48:22I think that's,
00:48:23he should challenge that.
00:48:24That ruling is ridiculous.
00:48:25They must enjoy him.
00:48:27His like,
00:48:28just clowning him as a rookie for one more song.
00:48:30One more song for Jordan Walsh.
00:48:34Cause yeah,
00:48:35Baylor,
00:48:36like we'll have to get more into,
00:48:38cause I guess Jordan,
00:48:39I mean,
00:48:40cause Jordan Walsh is like a rookie,
00:48:41like he's not only a rookie,
00:48:43like he's a young dude.
00:48:44He's 20 years old,
00:48:4520 years old.
00:48:47But fully embraced it.
00:48:48But you can tell,
00:48:49like,
00:48:50I imagine he is eagerly awaiting Tuesday night,
00:48:53opening ring night that he gets to pass that mantle on to the
00:48:56Baylor.
00:48:57But that is a,
00:48:58that was a tough,
00:48:59a tough draw for him.
00:49:00No doubt.
00:49:02All right.
00:49:03New segment.
00:49:04Number two,
00:49:05B Rob,
00:49:06this is,
00:49:07well,
00:49:08you're going to have to be the arbiter of justice here because
00:49:11there's an ongoing battle that goes on in TD garden.
00:49:14And I,
00:49:15who knows how many times it's going to pop up during the season,
00:49:17but I think it might happen a lot.
00:49:18And it's Jay King versus the wave.
00:49:21And we got some of that on Saturday night.
00:49:24We got a wave and sometimes I think the wave wins.
00:49:30And I think Jay is humiliated and he gets put on the Jumbotron and he
00:49:34looks like an idiot.
00:49:35Sometimes the wave has done an inopportune moment and Jay fires off a
00:49:39pretty humorous tweet.
00:49:40And I think Jay King wins.
00:49:41And so we got our first Jay King versus the wave on Saturday night,
00:49:45B Rob.
00:49:46And you were the arbiter of this.
00:49:47Don't let me influence you at all.
00:49:49You were in the building.
00:49:50You were going to keep tally of who wins the wave the entire season,
00:49:53who won on Saturday night,
00:49:55Jay King or the wave.
00:49:56I will present one piece of evidence in just a neutral piece of
00:50:00evidence.
00:50:01Jason Tatum did join in on the wave on Saturday night.
00:50:03So did Al Horford.
00:50:04So did Al Horford.
00:50:05Jay King presenting,
00:50:06like turning over exculpatory evidence against him in this regard.
00:50:09So based on this evidence,
00:50:10who won Jay King or the wave.
00:50:12I mean,
00:50:13this is an easy wave night.
00:50:14If there is,
00:50:15if there's,
00:50:16if this isn't any,
00:50:17if there is any time for a wave in an NBA arena,
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