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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I welcome you to the program. I am your host, Khawar Guman.
00:15I have with me my panelists, Mr. Syed Ahmed Rafi, Mr. Chaudhry Gulangshan and Mr. Hassan Ayyub.
00:20Ladies and gentlemen, you have seen the story of a long march, a protest, a Jalsa, a Jalooz, a Dharna, whatever you want to call it.
00:31Over the weekend, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf did it. They claim that they have succeeded.
00:36The government, of course, is completely contrary to that claim.
00:39That story is also going on.
00:41Just a while ago, I heard that once again, the Chief Minister, KP, is giving a clarification
00:48as to how difficult it was for him to reach there and how he managed to get out of there.
00:54He is explaining the whole story. He is saying that our followers, our voter supporters are being confused.
01:01So, I am informing them of the actual situation.
01:04But today, the first story that we are going to do is also from the past.
01:09The current situation is that there is a draft of the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem.
01:15And what will happen in the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem?
01:18You know, we have been taught such difficult Urdu.
01:24What will happen in the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem?
01:31What will be included? What will not be included?
01:34What is the government looking for?
01:36What are the desires of the government?
01:38They are trying to complete the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem.
01:45Today, another development has also taken place.
01:48The Speaker of the National Assembly has also written a letter.
01:50We will talk about that as well.
01:51But first of all, viewers, we would like to invite you to Kamran Murtaza.
01:56Because Pakistan's Islamic scholars, their leadership, especially Maulana Fazlur Rahman Sahib,
02:01who is currently the center of Nikah,
02:04will play a crucial role in the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem.
02:14If the 26th Ayn-e-Tarmeem is to be held,
02:16what is Mr. Kamran Murtaza saying about this?
02:23First of all, we have received the document from the People's Party.
02:27Our document is also ready and it is with Maulana Sahib.
02:30Maulana Sahib will share it with you when he feels it is appropriate.
02:35There should be an official document from the government.
02:39If there is an official document, then the matter will move forward.
02:42The document of the People's Party cannot be called an official document.
02:46The reason is that the People's Party is sometimes a member of the Noon League
02:51or has given support to the government.
02:53But they often claim that they are not the government.
02:58They claim that they are not the government.
03:00They claim that they are just a party.
03:02So, an official document should also be sent.
03:05Then we will also keep our document.
03:07Whatever happens, happens after the talks.
03:09This has to be done for the people.
03:11When this has to be done for the people,
03:13then there will be no question of our personal ego.
03:15Viewers, you saw that the All Parties Conference was held in the Presidency.
03:21It was held in the name of Jabhat al-Jabha with Palestine.
03:25If you show a picture of it,
03:27there was also a meeting there.
03:29President Asif Ali Zardari,
03:31former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif,
03:33on the main chairs,
03:35on the right is the Prime Minister,
03:37and on the left is Abul Awal Bhutto Zardari.
03:40Today, there are some internal stories going on.
03:45The internal story is that
03:48Respected Asif Ali Zardari has spoken with Maulana.
03:52There are some conditions and suggestions in front of him.
03:56More will be discussed in the coming days.
03:58But, Mr. Kamran Muttaza,
04:00what is being said is that
04:02the constitution,
04:04the PTI,
04:06which is the constitution of the People's Party,
04:09which is the constitution of the PMLN,
04:11which is the constitution of the government,
04:13he has told us.
04:14You are talking about the PTI.
04:15Should the PTI be included or not?
04:17We have already said that
04:19the PTI is a big stakeholder.
04:22They have 80-90 seats.
04:24You cannot ignore them outrightly.
04:27And those whom you cannot ignore,
04:29you should talk to them.
04:31They also represent the people.
04:33So, they should not be ignored.
04:36Mr. Asad Qaisar,
04:38the day before yesterday,
04:40when he was asked this question,
04:42he said that the constitutional amendment,
04:45see, in the past, in 2010,
04:47or whatever amendments have been
04:49presented in the constitution,
04:51there is a consensus.
04:53All parties sit in the parliament
04:55and then progress on that.
04:57Because the constitutional amendment
04:59is not the aim of a particular political party.
05:01The constitution is everyone's partner.
05:03What is he saying? Listen.
05:05We are not denying that we do not want to talk about anything.
05:07But, if you do not do it with force,
05:09forcefully,
05:11with the force of a gun,
05:13you should definitely negotiate with us.
05:15Leave the space open.
05:17Do not put pressure on anyone.
05:19We will see,
05:21if there are any meaningful,
05:23good proposals,
05:25we will support them.
05:27But, if there is a political flag behind it,
05:29we will oppose any political flag.
05:31Now, let us show you.
05:33Today, a letter has been written
05:35by the speaker of the National Assembly,
05:37Mr. Ayaz Sadiq.
05:39In the letter,
05:41he is explaining
05:43that you have seen it in English.
05:45He is writing in that letter
05:47that,
05:49his Urdu translation is
05:51that,
05:53in front of the Election Commission,
05:55there is a simple question of the law
05:57that, was it mentioned
05:59in the special session of the Election Act
06:012017, that section 67
06:03and section 104
06:05and article 51 of the constitution
06:07should be alerted.
06:09Or, according to the decision of the Supreme Court,
06:11which came before the Parliament
06:13in the Election Act 2017,
06:15furthermore,
06:17after three weeks,
06:19despite the decision of the Election Commission
06:21of Pakistan, no decision was made
06:23which is against the national law
06:25and
06:27is opposed to questioning
06:29the rights of the law of the
06:31parliament of Pakistan.
06:33Therefore, the parliamentary leaders
06:35have requested me
06:37to urge you
06:39to act according to this
06:41legal scheme
06:43which is provided by the law and the constitution.
06:45I reiterate that
06:47this matter should be resolved
06:49without any delay
06:51according to the
06:53draft election act 2017.
06:55Hassan,
06:57let me come to you first.
06:59This draft legislation,
07:01sometimes they claim that
07:03the number game is over,
07:05everything is set, there is no problem.
07:07When the election commission
07:09wrote a letter to the Supreme Court,
07:11they said,
07:13this is the matter,
07:15the Parliament has done this,
07:17we have an order from you.
07:19The other day,
07:21Chief Justice Qazi Faisal
07:23said during a case hearing
07:25that the Supreme Court's order
07:27should be followed
07:29whether it is right or wrong.
07:31What is happening
07:33regarding the draft legislation?
07:35The news is that
07:37talks are being held
07:39and almost a consensus has been reached
07:41on the constitutional amendment.
07:43In politics,
07:45till the last minute,
07:47free candidates stand
07:49on their positions.
07:51Is this a political issue in your view?
07:53Yes, even between countries,
07:55even in the case of law,
07:57every political party
07:59has its own political interest.
08:01If PTI sits in a negotiation,
08:03it will not be beneficial.
08:05If Muslim League Nawaz
08:07sits in a negotiation,
08:09it will not be beneficial.
08:11Jamaat-e-Islami,
08:13JIOFA, People's Party,
08:15they are all public representatives.
08:17It is their personal interest
08:19to protect the interests
08:21of their own vote bank.
08:23Here, the voters' interest
08:25is taken care of.
08:27Here, the letigants
08:29who will go to the courts
08:31will be protected.
08:33I would like to welcome Mr. Fawad.
08:35I am welcoming him.
08:37The program is yours.
08:39Thank you Mr. Fawad for your time.
08:41We are discussing
08:43the constitutional amendment.
08:45Today, Mr. Ayyaz Sadiq
08:47has written a letter
08:49regarding the special sessions.
08:51He has told the Election Commission
08:53that he wrote a letter to you
08:55on 19th of last month
08:57and you did not follow it.
08:59We have read the history of Pakistan.
09:01The law of 1973,
09:03all the differences,
09:05all the opinions
09:07were there,
09:09but a consensus was created.
09:11In 2010, when the constitutional amendment
09:13was passed,
09:15the 29-member committee
09:17met every week.
09:19Now, they are saying
09:21that they will try to
09:23complete the number.
09:25What do you have to say?
09:27Will it be done or not?
09:31One thing is confirmed.
09:33Today's letter
09:35has not completed
09:37Ansar Abbasi's story
09:39last week.
09:41Today's letter has confirmed
09:43that the number is not complete.
09:45Now, the Speaker
09:47is making this method.
09:49The Speaker is a decent man.
09:51People in PMLN
09:53are saying that the Election Commission
09:55should give the reserved seats
09:57to us in the
09:59intervention of the Supreme Court.
10:01Then we will get the
10:03constitutional amendment done.
10:05The Election Commission
10:07has already taken a decision
10:09on this letter of Ayaz Sadiq.
10:11You may remember
10:13the marathon meeting sessions
10:15that the Election Commission held.
10:17After those meetings,
10:19they wrote a letter to the Supreme Court
10:21and put a CM.
10:23They asked the Supreme Court
10:25to guide them
10:27on what to do.
10:29The bench of the Supreme Court
10:31has not yet sat on it.
10:33Now, the Election Commission
10:35has already taken a decision
10:37and approached the Supreme Court.
10:39Now, the Election Commission
10:41will review its decision.
10:43The Election Commission
10:45can do it now.
10:47There is news that
10:49a meeting has been called yesterday.
10:51There is news that
10:53a meeting has been called yesterday.
10:57The news is that
10:59the Election Commission
11:01has already taken a decision
11:03and approached the Supreme Court.
11:05There is no doubt that
11:07the Election Commission
11:09is acting as an extension of the government.
11:11They have not yet acted
11:13as an independent institution.
11:15It will be difficult for them
11:17to review their decision
11:19and then take it back.
11:21It will be difficult for them
11:23to review their decision
11:25and then take it back.
11:27Two things have become clear.
11:29First, there is no number yet.
11:31Second, the Election Commission
11:33has a dependency on
11:35giving reserved seats.
11:37Third, if an amendment
11:39is made in this way,
11:41there is already a controversy
11:43that without the completion
11:45of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly,
11:47how can you amend the Constitution
11:49without the completion
11:51of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly?
11:53If this is a contradiction
11:55of the Supreme Court,
11:57then this amendment will be more effective.
11:59This amendment is not being seen.
12:01I would like to ask a few questions.
12:03I would like to ask a few questions.
12:05I would like to ask a few questions.
12:07I would like to ask a few questions.
12:09I would like to ask a few questions.
12:11I am not able to understand
12:13whether the decision of the 63A
12:15would effectively amend the Constitution
12:17or give reserved seats.
12:19or give reserved seats.
12:21I am not able to understand
12:23what the opinion of the PTA is.
12:25When they tell the reason
12:27for the decision of the 63A
12:29is it considered to be reserved?
12:31Is the reason for the decision of the 63A
12:33is it considered to be reserved?
12:35The steps by which the numbers are changing are being taken by your friends.
12:43So, whether it is a matter of recounting and giving seats to the non-league,
12:49whether it is a matter of reversal of 63A,
12:52and whether it is a matter of giving reserved seats against the decision of the Supreme Court,
12:56the aim is the same.
12:57And that is to somehow complete the number.
13:00The number is not being completed.
13:02It is complete, sir.
13:04Mr. Chaudhary, we will include the rest of the panelists as well.
13:07Mr. Haider Naukri, you have been telling us since the first day that there is no long-term reform.
13:12And apart from the Constitutional Court, there was something else in Article 8, Article 245.
13:19Why is there no reform?
13:21It is neither coming out of Karachi nor from outside.
13:24If you have any questions, you can ask Mr. Chaudhary.
13:26Look, if there is no reform, how will it come out?
13:29Right.
13:30There is no reform.
13:31There is no existence of reform.
13:33And there is no existence since the first day.
13:35What I keep saying again and again,
13:37which you continue to say,
13:39everyone is behind the truck lights.
13:41But in a very good intro,
13:43you made us listen to Mr. Mushtaq's clip,
13:45which is of JUI.
13:47He said a very good thing.
13:49And now I think the time has come for Pakistan to think about it.
13:52There are people of the Pakistan Justice Movement
13:56who really want to run with the state,
13:59who want to stay away from the politics of protest,
14:01the politics of burning houses,
14:03who want to run the system of the parliament,
14:05who want to run the system of the state,
14:07they should come forward.
14:09And you should also support the Pakistan Justice Movement.
14:11Because it is in the parliament.
14:13You cannot deny this existence.
14:15Absolutely right.
14:17If you are present in the parliament,
14:19then you should sit with them and talk to them.
14:21Whatever constitution you want to make,
14:23whatever amendments you want to bring,
14:25you should talk to them,
14:27because this is how you can run the country.
14:29You cannot run the country like this.
14:31You are absolutely right.
14:33The way they tried to do it,
14:35that was the problem.
14:37That's what I'm trying to say.
14:39You cannot run the country like this.
14:41You have to take these steps
14:43to give strength to a parliamentary system.
14:45Otherwise, you cannot give strength
14:47to a parliamentary system.
14:49Then your parliamentary system
14:51can never survive.
14:53So it is very important that
14:55you think about it.
14:57I also said this yesterday,
14:59that you should also think about
15:01the justice system of Pakistan.
15:03Absolutely right.
15:05Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam,
15:07you can also ask Mr. Fauji
15:09if you have any comment.
15:11Mr. Fauji,
15:13to save the democracy
15:15and to run these governments,
15:17you should give some money
15:19from the PTI.
15:21You have put the Supreme Court Chief Justice
15:23in the Parliament.
15:25You have also told the Election Commission
15:27not to act on the Supreme Court's decision
15:29according to the law and the constitution.
15:31Why haven't they acted on the order
15:33that we have given them?
15:35So give them some money.
15:37They are very restless.
15:39Mr. Chaudhary, the thing is that
15:41the constitutional amendment
15:43that Haider or Hassan
15:45and Kamran Muttaza have said,
15:47the whole genesis of the constitution
15:49is that it should be a coincidence.
15:51Absolutely right.
15:53This is not a common constitution.
15:55They mean that it should be a coincidence.
15:57But the problem here is that
15:59even though Haider Naqvi Sahib
16:01is saying that there is no constitution,
16:03but the Law Minister
16:05addressed a convention
16:07in the Supreme Court.
16:09In that convention,
16:11his group of lawyers
16:13presented all these points and
16:15the constitution in front of him.
16:17So to say that there is no constitution
16:19is contradictory
16:21to what the Law Minister
16:23addressed in the convention.
16:25These three or four points
16:27are unacceptable
16:29to any lawyer
16:31or to any person
16:33who is interested in democracy.
16:35The way the principle of separation
16:37is being terminated.
16:39First, you are saying in section 199
16:41that you are practically
16:43terminating the rape petition.
16:45You are telling the High Court judges
16:47that we will send them out of the High Court
16:49on their will.
16:51We will send them home on the source report.
16:53And you are terminating the Supreme Court.
16:55You are saying that there will be a constitutional court
16:57and you are terminating the position
16:59of the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
17:01Look, these things are very complex.
17:03As Mr. Ghoman was giving an example
17:05of the 18th amendment,
17:07there was a discussion on it
17:09for more than a year.
17:11And you are changing
17:13the whole system of judiciary
17:15and terminating the principle
17:17of separation.
17:19This cannot happen in days.
17:21And especially if you agree
17:23that what the Law Minister
17:25said was not correct
17:27and is not constitutional.
17:29And all the parliaments
17:31are restricted.
17:33You and I both know
17:35that all the MNAs
17:37are on the passport control list.
17:39No MNA can travel
17:41outside of Pakistan.
17:43All the MNAs are safe.
17:45Mr. Chaudhary, you are right.
17:47You must remember that
17:49when this attempt was made
17:51on the night of 13-14 September,
17:53the MNAs, MPAs,
17:55sorry, the senators
17:57did not have the permission
17:59to go to the bathroom
18:01so that no one would
18:03step out of the bathroom window.
18:05They were being monitored
18:07in this way.
18:09They were being monitored
18:11with the permission of the state.
18:13This is a matter of individual
18:15eligibility.
18:17Let's move ahead.
18:19Please change the word
18:21eligibility.
18:23That's the main point.
18:25We don't want to bring
18:27up the word eligibility.
18:29This is not the case.
18:31Mr. Chaudhary,
18:33in the early days of this
18:35government,
18:37did Chief Justice
18:39that the tenure of the Chief Justice should be made,
18:42that his position should be decided.
18:45So, after that, as you know, it started,
18:48that the age should be increased from 65 to 68.
18:52Then it was said that no, whenever the Chief Justice will be appointed,
18:56it will be for three years.
18:58These were all the cases.
18:59Then the judge who will be appointed in the Constitutional Court,
19:03he can be a retired judge and his age can be like this.
19:07What Rana Sanwala Sahab is saying about Qazi Faizal Sahab,
19:11and what Justice Qazi Faizal Sahab has said in the past,
19:15all the facts will be presented to you after the break.
19:23Viewers, this is about 8th or 9th September.
19:27There was an event there,
19:30off the record, according to Justice Faizal Sahab,
19:32he spoke to the journalists,
19:34and the journalists published a story the next day,
19:36that they were attributed that they have said,
19:40I am not interested in any kind of extension,
19:42the age will be increased,
19:44all these things are under discussion in my opinion.
19:47After that, on 10th September,
19:50a registrar of the Supreme Court,
19:52Mohammad Mushtaq Ahmed Sahab,
19:55he gave this clarification.
19:57In that clarification, he says that this was an off-the-record discussion,
20:01and Qazi Sahab had said in it that,
20:04I will not accept any specific amendment in my opinion,
20:09which is made only for my benefit.
20:13Otherwise, if it is made overall,
20:15then there is no fun in it.
20:16This was the crux of the matter.
20:19After that, at night,
20:20Rana Sanwala Sahab was in the programme of Mohammad Malik,
20:22he was asked,
20:23especially because 25th October will be the last day of the current Chief Justice,
20:28so listen to what he said in that regard.
20:34If you move away from Qazi Faiz Issa Sahab,
20:36then after that, you will not have any conflict with Moulana Sahab.
20:40Qazi Faiz Issa Sahab does not want to come himself.
20:44He has apologised for the extension,
20:49even after that, he is not hopeful about this.
20:53Even if we ask him to come tomorrow,
20:55he will apologise.
20:56He said that it is not just about the age of the Chief Justice,
20:59but if the age of all the judges increases,
21:02then I have no objection.
21:04He did not say no.
21:06No, he did not say that either.
21:08He asked that are you going to make an amendment?
21:11He said that yes, we are going to fix the duration of the Chief Justice.
21:15He said that I am not available for this.
21:18He did not say anything else.
21:20Neither is this Mansoor Ali Shah Sahab
21:23going to make a specific amendment
21:25to stop someone,
21:27nor to keep someone.
21:29Qazi Faiz Issa Sahab specific.
21:31This is not a specific amendment.
21:34And he also said that it will be completed
21:36by a unanimous vote on the 25th or later.
21:39What did he say?
21:40It is a matter of amendment.
21:42The amendment can be made before the 25th or later.
21:45There is no other opinion on this.
21:47If the parliament does it before,
21:49that is also fine.
21:50If it is done later, that is also fine.
21:52If the consensus is completed tomorrow,
21:54then a meeting can be held the day after tomorrow.
21:56If it is after the 16th,
22:00then it can be called on the 17th, 18th or 20th.
22:03If it takes four more days,
22:05then it can be on the 26th or 29th.
22:09Mr. Fawad Chaudhary,
22:10what do you think?
22:12Earlier, the impression was that
22:14the majority opinion was that
22:17the way Qazi Faiz Issa Sahab
22:19is trying to give an extension,
22:21the Constitutional Court will be formed,
22:23so he will also be adjusted there.
22:25Now Mr. Rana is giving this news.
22:28But we have seen in the past
22:30that everyone says that they will not take an extension.
22:32Mr. Chaudhary's close friend,
22:34Mr. Chaudhary's close friend,
22:36he also had a relationship with us.
22:38He says, no, no, I will not take it.
22:40Then when an extension comes,
22:42then you know, when an extension
22:44changes in such laws and regulations,
22:46then you have to take compulsion.
22:48Mr. Chaudhary.
22:49If you see, in Muslim League Noon,
22:51Rana Sanaullah or Fajr Hassan Rafiq,
22:53this is a political element.
22:55If the Noon League was listening to them,
22:57then their political status today
22:59would not be what it is today.
23:01So it is okay.
23:03It may be Rana Sahab's wish
23:05that Faiz Issa Sahab should not take an extension
23:07and the rest should not take it.
23:09And we move forward as a democracy
23:11and move forward with consensus.
23:13But see, the rest of the people
23:15who are running the government at the moment,
23:17they do not have a wish.
23:19So this is Rana Sahab's decision.
23:21So this is Rana Sahab's decision.
23:23It is not decisive.
23:25So there is no doubt in it
23:27that today's letter
23:29of the Speaker
23:31is a desperate attempt
23:33to make a constitutional amendment.
23:35That means it will happen.
23:37It has not been successful before.
23:39Now what is coming about
23:41Maulana Fazlur Rahman tomorrow,
23:43that tomorrow he is announcing
23:45his constitutional package.
23:47And Maulana Fazlur Rahman's
23:49constitutional package is very different
23:51from the draft that was given to him.
23:53And it is obvious that
23:55you just gave a piece of Kamran Murtaza
23:57that he wants
23:59things to be done with consensus.
24:01But he wants to do a serious judicial reform
24:03which is not in the interest of the government at the moment.
24:05The government
24:07in every case,
24:09wants to make a judiciary
24:11based on an executive
24:13by keeping judiciary
24:15in check.
24:17And Maulana Fazlur Rahman's
24:19constitutional amendment will not
24:21fulfill this objective.
24:23As a result, I don't think
24:25Maulana Fazlur Rahman's constitutional amendment
24:27will be able to move forward.
24:29And if it is approved,
24:31it will be to remove
24:33Musharraf Ibtihaj Chaudhry
24:35in the PCO.
24:37And there will be no difference
24:39in this amendment.
24:41Therefore, there will be
24:43a very loyal movement.
24:45As you know,
24:47Taayyad Qaid and PM Al-Anon's
24:49President Nawaz Sharif was also present.
24:51In the Presidency, Zardari,
24:53Bilawal, Prime Minister
24:55and Maulana were also there.
24:57And some people are getting news
24:59that maybe they have been approved.
25:01But our reporter, Zahid Mishwani
25:03has different news.
25:05Let's come to you first.
25:07Zahid Mishwani, can you hear me?
25:09Yes, I can hear you.
25:11What is the news?
25:13Is Maulana Fazlur Rahman still angry?
25:15Or will he explain
25:17the constitutional amendment
25:19that he has?
25:21What is the news?
25:23At the moment,
25:25Maulana Fazlur Rahman
25:27has not been approved by the government.
25:29And he is not coming to any point.
25:31In fact, he is saying that
25:33the constitutional amendment
25:35that has been prepared by the government
25:37at the moment,
25:39if we look at its details,
25:41it is not worthy of being approved.
25:43These are Maulana Fazlur Rahman's own words.
25:45Whereas, the different political parties,
25:47People's Party, PTI, the government,
25:49have been trying to convince
25:51Maulana Fazlur Rahman
25:53on their own terms.
25:55And they have been told
25:57to bring their own constitution.
25:59People's Party, PTI, the government
26:01and some other things
26:03have been told to convince them.
26:05And with People's Party and PTI,
26:07if there are points in these amendments,
26:09then they have not said anything.
26:11And they have been told
26:13to bring their own constitution.
26:15We will also bring it.
26:17But till now,
26:19no constitution has been presented
26:21by People's Party, PTI,
26:23or the government.
26:25So, at the moment,
26:27it can be said that
26:29Maulana Fazlur Rahman
26:31has not been approved.
26:33Absolutely right.
26:35Thank you very much.
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28:33Since the review has begun,
28:35Since the review has begun,
28:37one prevailing debate got muddled.
28:39one prevailing debate got muddled.
28:41It was on £45 and €47.
28:43It was on €45 and €47.
28:45It is the same thing.
28:47Chaudhary Just ask questions.
28:49It is the same thing.
28:51Chaudhary Just ask questions.
28:53You have seen the PTI,
28:55You have seen the PTI,
28:57We object to their leadership outside jail, their loyalty, their understanding, but the party has made great sacrifices in both the case and the case itself.
29:15What do you think, will the bloodshed and the shot of bloodshed solve the issues in the country or not?
29:23Mr. Chaudhary, let me add on to this. Mr. Gandapur has just made a very comprehensive statement in the KP Assembly.
29:30Overall, if you assess, being a political worker, Mr. Gandapur's arrival here, then his departure, then his return, sum up this.
29:38Do you think this was a good move, a successful move, or how do you say, that this has become an embarrassing situation for him? Mr. Chaudhary.
29:46Look, our problem right now is, what Mr. Chaudhary has said, the issue of bloodshed and protest.
29:53The problem is that the government is doing this in our country, that it is closing all the ways.
30:00You have made the courts, you have made the Election Commission a subsidiary of the Non League.
30:05The position of the Speaker in the Parliament has been terminated, the position of the Chairman in the Senate has been terminated.
30:11The way the courts were remanded today by Imran Khan's sisters, you can imagine that when you close all the ways like this, then only protest will be left.
30:22Now, the problem in protest is that PTI and People's Party and the Non League are also there.
30:28The problem right now is that there are three parties that talk about transition.
30:35Now, when they fight each other so much that bloodshed, then Pakistan becomes weak.
30:42And in that, either religious extremists will win or ultra-nationalists will win.
30:47Then nothing will come to the hands of the Non League, nothing will come to the hands of the People's Party, nothing will come to the hands of PTI and nothing will come to the hands of Pakistan.
30:55So the ideal is that things should be decided before bloodshed.
31:02But if you close all the ways, then what will you do?
31:06Then you are inviting yourself.
31:08Accept the failure of the protest, Mr. Chaudhary.
31:11There was no leader.
31:13You were saying revolution, revolution. Is this a revolution?
31:16There is no leader.
31:18You were talking about Bangladesh.
31:20You will appreciate that political parties do not even exist in Pakistan.
31:26There are personalities here.
31:28And Imran Khan has control over the hearts of the people.
31:31You see the protest of Hindi, you see the protest of Islamabad.
31:34People have come out.
31:36And this leader is the truth that you will change them all.
31:39Tomorrow Imran Khan will say that they are all different.
31:41They are all different.
31:42The leader will be the one who will have a status of his own.
31:45Or he is important in the cadre or something.
31:47Now you take all their names.
31:51What do they mean?
31:52They are all people.
31:55What Mr. Naqvi said, Mr. Fawad Chaudhary,
31:58the matter of Farm 45 and 47,
32:00where do you see it settling?
32:02Mr. Naqvi would also like to talk about it.
32:04Mr. Naqvi, please talk about Farm 45 and 47.
32:07What Mr. Fawad Chaudhary was talking about,
32:09that they close the roads, and in courts, and bail, all these things.
32:12Look, there is a big terminology of science on which the whole world is based.
32:16And that is that every action has a reaction.
32:19Reaction does not exist first.
32:21Newton's second law.
32:23So, basically, whatever is happening,
32:25the threats that are being given to the state,
32:27the state is being threatened,
32:29the state is being constantly challenged,
32:31this is its reaction.
32:32And your government, when you were in power,
32:35Mr. Fawad, I have something to say.
32:36Who is the state?
32:37No, no, who is the state?
32:39The state is the people.
32:41There is a people and their territory.
32:43This is the definition of a state.
32:45If you are talking about establishment,
32:47what is the reaction?
32:48These things look good in talk shows.
32:50These things look good in talk shows.
32:52But when you were in power,
32:54you didn't have any terminology in the world.
32:56What happened in power after TLP?
32:58No, no, Mr. Nagri,
33:00the state was the people.
33:02Look, Mr. Nagri,
33:03Article 7, which defines the state,
33:06says that parliament,
33:08the elected representatives of the parliament,
33:10local governments, that is the state.
33:12So, the state is the people.
33:14Mr. Fawad, did you believe the story of Ali bin Ghandapur?
33:18Do you believe his story?
33:21Mr. Fawad.
33:22The thing is, Hassan,
33:24all of us in the narrative,
33:26in the media,
33:28we were saying that
33:30if you can't speak the truth,
33:32the ideal is that you don't lie.
33:34Because as a result,
33:36we speak for thousands of minutes,
33:40and if you speak wrong for 30 seconds,
33:42it will go everywhere.
33:43The thousands of minutes that you speak right,
33:45it won't go anywhere.
33:46So, it's important that whoever wants to come up to the media
33:49or talk about these positions,
33:51they should know how you make narratives
33:54and what you do.
33:56I think if Ali Amin didn't speak,
33:58and he shouldn't have at all.
34:00Absolutely right.
34:01Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam,
34:02we've been waiting for a long time.
34:04Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam, please, go ahead.
34:08No, Mr. Fawad Chaudhary,
34:10tell me,
34:11he tried to conspire against the army and the people in Islamabad.
34:16I'm not taking anyone's name.
34:18He had to face it.
34:19When the army came closer,
34:21the same people who were shouting slogans,
34:23the Pak army started embracing the civilians in Islamabad.
34:29And they withdrew the army.
34:31They should be understood from the fact
34:34that you are conspiring against the state.
34:37The people of Pakistan and the army are one.
34:39And all the efforts you are making to fight,
34:42this country is the enemy.
34:45Mr. Chaudhary, please comment on this.
34:48After the break,
34:49Mr. Badam asked a lot of questions.
34:50After the break,
34:51Mr. Chaudhary will answer these questions.
34:53And today,
34:54in Pakistan,
34:55our stock exchange has made a record.
34:58It has reached 85,000.
34:59The positive effects on the economy,
35:02whether we are reading it or not,
35:04Mr. Aurangzeb, the finance minister,
35:06has also made a press conference on this.
35:08We will talk about it in detail after the break.
35:15Welcome back.
35:16Mr. Fauji,
35:17the question that Mr. Chaudhary Glamis has asked,
35:19unfortunately,
35:20in our country,
35:21whatever happens in the opposition,
35:23a political party,
35:24becomes a national security threat.
35:26From Benazir Bhutto,
35:28Mr. Nawaz Sharif also became a security threat.
35:31And then slowly,
35:32when will this chaos end with Pakistan's politics?
35:36This chaos will end now.
35:38Because in Pakistan,
35:39in the era of Mr. Pravez Musharraf,
35:42there was a huge social change.
35:44In which you saw,
35:45blue-collar jobs were created.
35:47And a very big youth was inducted.
35:50Imran Khan,
35:51the social change that Mr. Musharraf had,
35:54he gave it a political cap.
35:56For the first time,
35:57the people who are fighting the elections,
36:00have been fighting for years.
36:01No one had even thought that
36:02they would have to ask for more votes from women.
36:04The kids who are playing cricket,
36:06they will decide for themselves.
36:08Now, this change that has come,
36:10the vote has gone from kinship to individual.
36:13Imran Khan has transformed PTI
36:15from a parliamentary party
36:17to a presidential form.
36:19Whoever he gave the ticket to,
36:20he won it.
36:21So this trend will continue now.
36:23And Pakistan has to go.
36:26The genie that has come out of the bottle,
36:28of a popular force,
36:30cannot be put back in the bottle.
36:32It's been two years.
36:33The whole effort has been put in.
36:35Put in another 6-8 months.
36:36So this is the popular consciousness
36:38that has brought such a big change in Pakistan.
36:41And obviously,
36:42I said earlier that it started in Musharraf's era,
36:45and Imran Khan has seen it.
36:47No, no,
36:48Faizjab has also been there.
36:49A lot has changed because of Faizjab's era.
36:52Mr. Chaudhary, don't do this.
36:54Imran Khan also used to be open about Faizjab.
36:57He used to do Faizjab.
36:58People also used to join.
37:00So the truth should be accepted.
37:02Mr. Fawad Sharif, please say something.
37:04Thank you very much, Mr. Fawad Sharif.
37:06In 2018,
37:08the trend that you are talking about,
37:11was continuing till then.
37:14But there was a small change.
37:16You were covering it very seriously.
37:19It was just a trend of South Punjab.
37:22That's right.
37:23The poor Amal Yaqut used to say,
37:25we didn't come, we will come.
37:27Now that trend is also in South Punjab.
37:29Okay, Mr. Fawad Sharif,
37:30thank you very much for giving a lot of time.
37:32Today,
37:33the stock exchange reached 85,000 points.
37:36In the evening, Mr. Aurangzeb held a press conference.
37:39He said,
37:40Pakistan will get more positive news
37:43in terms of economy.
37:45How do you see this development?
37:47First, I will come to Mr. Naqvi.
37:49Since Mr. Naqvi is sitting outside the country,
37:51he will be able to tell us in a better way.
37:53In Pakistan,
37:54in terms of economy,
37:55especially the stock exchange,
37:57do you do any business of the stock exchange,
37:59Mr. Naqvi,
38:00or is it just outside?
38:01Mr. Naqvi
38:02You are asking me all the secrets one by one.
38:04I have seen it during this show.
38:06What are you doing?
38:07This is my work.
38:08Yes, yes.
38:09You said that I am sitting outside Pakistan.
38:11So I want to sit here and talk about something
38:13that I have seen.
38:14Pakistan's success lies in the fact
38:16that business and life continue in Pakistan.
38:18And all these political parties,
38:20including PTI,
38:21will have to think
38:22that now Pakistan
38:23has to be put towards success.
38:25Will not look back.
38:26Yes.
38:27Absolutely.
38:28Even a little sale purchase,
38:29this stock market is a different market,
38:31it has crossed the psychological limit
38:33of 85,000 points.
38:34It has crossed the psychological barrier.
38:36It is a good thing.
38:37But the main market,
38:38the open market that you give,
38:40from where you are buying and selling
38:42some commodities in real,
38:44a little bit of work has started.
38:46Business is light.
38:47Real estate.
38:48Real estate is not just business.
38:50Real estate is a very big business.
38:52There are many industries associated with it.
38:54Real estate has also started.
38:55Supposedly,
38:56if you talk about real estate,
38:58the first things,
38:59people have started emptying offices
39:01of rental income.
39:02Now again,
39:03tenants are coming to the offices.
39:05Such things are going on.
39:06Shops are opening.
39:07Such activities have started.
39:09Even some of my acquaintances,
39:11they are steel wholesalers,
39:12I was talking to them,
39:13they were also saying
39:14that now something has improved.
39:15On the construction side too,
39:16work has started.
39:17May Allah make this work work.
39:19Or real estate should also work.
39:21Real estate should also work.
39:22Supposedly,
39:23there is a decrease in inflation
39:25or there is a single digit
39:28increase in inflation.
39:30Sir,
39:31has this affected you too?
39:32In Lahore,
39:33because you are also paying
39:34expensive bills.
39:35What is the reason for this?
39:39No,
39:40we haven't met anyone
39:41who has said that inflation has decreased.
39:43This is a government.
39:44They have started juggling.
39:45Okay.
39:46Hasn't it affected Lahore?
39:47Everyday,
39:48we go to the markets.
39:49We are with people.
39:50We order things from home.
39:54We don't go to the market everyday.
39:55We know everything.
39:57No,
39:58because of SIFC,
39:59there is going to be
40:00more investment.
40:01And because of this,
40:02there is confidence.
40:03In the business community,
40:04in agriculture,
40:05on the side of minerals,
40:07in IT.
40:08How much has come so far?
40:09It has come in IT.
40:10IT?
40:11It has come in IT.
40:12It has come a lot.
40:13Viewers,
40:14this is the meeting
40:15of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
40:16The Saudis delegation is coming.
40:18And you saw that
40:19the Prime Minister,
40:20the Malaysian,
40:21also came.
40:22And Mr. Chaudhry
40:24and our team,
40:25especially Mr. Zeeshan,
40:26Mr. Zeeshan is continuously
40:27in my ears.
40:28He is saying,
40:29how will you get my bills done?
40:30How will you get my bills done?
40:31Of course,
40:32there is inflation.
40:33Electricity bills.
40:34Gas bills.
40:35Now winter will start.
40:36Before gas,
40:37it didn't come.
40:38I don't know what the
40:39situation is now.
40:40So,
40:41the buying power
40:42has been greatly affected.
40:43But,
40:44of course,
40:45there are some signs.
40:46If there is inflation
40:47in a single digit,
40:48there is inflation,
40:49there is inflation.
40:50So,
40:51it has a direct effect.
40:52I am completely
40:53in agreement with Hassan
40:54that a little,
40:55what should I say,
40:56there is a little
40:57relief.
40:58Yes,
40:59there is a lot to be done.
41:00There is a lot
41:01to be done.
41:02Now,
41:03in the past,
41:04in your government,
41:05which you know
41:06is not coming out,
41:07it will take a little
41:08time.
41:09But,
41:10we will wait for that.
41:11Viewers,
41:12these are the
41:13circumstances.
41:14The political field
41:15in Pakistan
41:16is getting hotter
41:17day by day.
41:18And all this politics
41:19is revolving around
41:20the 26th
41:21constitutional amendment.
41:22What will happen
41:23at night?
41:24Will there be
41:25a big meeting
41:26of the election
41:27commission?
41:28Will the election
41:29commission of Pakistan
41:30answer the letter
41:31of the Speaker
41:32of the National
41:33Assembly
41:34positively or
41:35negatively?
41:36But,
41:37one important thing
41:38that Fawad Chaudhry
41:39has done is
41:40that by taking
41:41a decision,
41:42in principle,
41:43in writing,
41:44an application
41:45or whatever
41:46method is there
41:47in the Supreme
41:48Court,
41:49the election
41:50commission has
41:51already gone.
41:52It will be very
41:53soon.
41:54We will
41:55meet again
41:56tomorrow.
41:57Allah Hafiz.