Thomas Hidalgo Alarcón, de 10 años, jugaba en la vereda de su casa del barrio Iapi de Bernal Oeste, en Quilmes, cuando una bala le impactó en la tetilla izquierda, a la altura del corazón. Su mamá lo llevó Unidad de Pronta Atención (UPA), pero el chico no sobrevivió: murió antes de ser derivado al Hospital El Cruce, en Florencio Varela.
Por el crimen hay dos detenidos de 18 años, que se movilizaban en una moto que había sido robada el día anterior.
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Por el crimen hay dos detenidos de 18 años, que se movilizaban en una moto que había sido robada el día anterior.
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00:00Two motorcyclists, criminals, they think they are drug traffickers,
00:08were debating in a shooting to gain territory.
00:14With this gun, with this revolver that you are seeing on camera, with a stolen motorcycle.
00:20To gain territory, to sell drugs on the street.
00:24What did they take?
00:27The life of a 10-year-old boy.
00:31While we keep asking for Loan, this happened yesterday.
00:36A 10-year-old boy received a bullet in the chest that killed him
00:41in a drug fight between motorcyclists.
00:46Until when is the question, right?
00:49Today a family buries a 10-year-old boy.
00:52There we see him taking his communion last year.
00:55Last year he took communion.
00:58It is what one does not understand, Carlos.
01:03It hurts a lot, it hurts a lot the game of Tomás.
01:07Tomás, a 10-year-old boy,
01:10that the only crime he committed is to be playing.
01:15Where are two 18-year-old muggers?
01:19Now we are going to give you the last names and surnames.
01:24So that if there is no divine justice, there is another.
01:27I do not care.
01:29If there is no criminal justice, the divine does something with these people.
01:36Today I was outraged in the morning when I heard
01:43that destroyed mother asking for an explanation.
01:48For example, why the ambulance for the criminal
01:52arrived before Tomás.
01:58She hears him speak
02:03and asks why the child died.
02:07It's very hard and I understand her.
02:09She accuses Lupa.
02:12She is a mother who has just lost a child.
02:15And she has all the reason in the world.
02:17And she has all the reason in the world.
02:20I understand that the shot enters under the left tit.
02:27And that nothing could be done to get out of that misfortune.
02:33The detainees already with criminal records.
02:3618 years.
02:37What you are seeing there is what was kidnapped and the motorcycle.
02:40That is a 32, a Lechucero.
02:42And there you have one of the Mugrientos.
02:44The Sarna that ends the life of a 10-year-old boy.
02:50Sebastián Ruiz and Joel Pogonza.
02:53Both with 18-year-old records.
02:56They had been arrested last year and again.
03:00They had already been arrested for robbery in town and in a gang.
03:04They had to be in prison.
03:06And they were on the street.
03:08And they took Tomás' life.
03:10Can you tell me again the name and last name?
03:12I want you to listen to all.
03:15Absolutely all the two names of these two Mugrientos.
03:18These two Sarnas who have to be in prison for life.
03:22Because the boy never comes back.
03:26Give it to me, Carlos.
03:28Sebastián Ruiz, 18 years old, with records.
03:33He had to be in prison.
03:35And Joel Pogonza.
03:3818 years old, with records.
03:41And he had to be in prison.
03:43If you agree, let's go.
03:45Javi Mozo is working in the place.
03:47With the case that moves us today.
03:49Javi, how are you?
03:51Guys, how are you?
03:53Carlitos, Nahuel, Lu, how are you?
03:55Good afternoon.
03:56The truth is that giving these news breaks our hearts.
04:01It makes a lot of noise.
04:03It is something that costs us a lot.
04:06Because they have killed a 10-year-old child.
04:10As you said, he was playing here.
04:13He was playing at his house's door.
04:15What we say so much is that the boys no longer play at their house's door.
04:18In this neighborhood, in Iapi.
04:20He was playing at his house's door.
04:22176th Street.
04:24Between Misiones and Montevideo.
04:27And today we find ourselves in this situation.
04:30With a lot of friends asking for justice.
04:34For Tomas.
04:36Look at those faces.
04:38Look at the figure.
04:40The photo of Tomas.
04:42There are relatives.
04:44There is the mother, Maria.
04:46The truth is that the situation is quite complicated.
04:50Because it is quite sad.
04:52Very sad.
04:54The one that Tomas' family is living.
04:58And the neighbors and friends.
05:01Because without a doubt.
05:03I don't think anyone can believe.
05:05No one can believe a situation like this.
05:07That two motorcycles are chasing each other.
05:09And they are shooting each other.
05:11One shoots.
05:13And practically kills this creature.
05:19Maria and your name?
05:21Cristian.
05:23We are very sorry.
05:25For what is happening.
05:27For what you are living.
05:29We are with you for what you need.
05:31And hopefully these two characters.
05:33That are detained.
05:35Will be detained for a long time.
05:37They will be detained.
05:39They will be detained.
05:41Because they stole my son's life.
05:43My son did not bother anyone.
05:45He was not a rude child.
05:47I always educated him well.
05:49I always spoke to him.
05:51And they killed him.
05:53Between them and the UPA.
05:55They are all guilty.
05:57They for having shot.
05:59And the UPA for not attending to my son.
06:01As he deserves.
06:03How is that?
06:05Do you want me to tell you how it was?
06:07I took my son from the floor.
06:09He was dead.
06:11I know my son was not dead.
06:13I went out because I was looking for him for dinner.
06:15Did you hear the shooting?
06:17No, I didn't hear anything.
06:19We heard the neighbors calling him.
06:21They shot the boy.
06:23That's what the neighbors said.
06:25They said something happened to Julio.
06:27When I went out, they shot my son.
06:31We got in the car.
06:33My son was alive.
06:35We got to the UPA.
06:37My son was alive.
06:39They put him inside.
06:41I went in with him.
06:43They took me out.
06:45They had to take care of the doctors.
06:47I went out by force.
06:49I did not want to go out.
06:51They took me out.
06:53I did not want to go in.
06:55I don't know how long it took.
06:5715, 30, 40 minutes.
06:59You lose track of time.
07:01The doctor came out.
07:03With the police.
07:05With the nurse.
07:07The doctor took my hand.
07:09He said, Mom, stay calm.
07:11Your son is fine.
07:13Your son is saturating well.
07:15Your son is breathing.
07:17Your son is conscious and awake.
07:19The bullet did not touch any organ.
07:21That's good.
07:23We only intubated him.
07:25Because we were going to take him to the hospital.
07:27We were waiting for the ambulance.
07:29If he was not there, he had to go.
07:31But we preferred to take him there.
07:33I asked if I could see him.
07:35He said, no.
07:37The doctors are taking care of him.
07:39They will let you know when you can come in.
07:43When I went in, I asked for my son.
07:45They came out again.
07:47They said, Mom, we were going to take him to the hospital.
07:49The ambulance came.
07:51The ambulance came.
07:53The ambulance did not arrive.
07:55The ambulance did not arrive.
07:57It was not the ambulance that took him.
07:59No, it had to be another ambulance.
08:01Because the one that came
08:03only had oxygen.
08:05The ambulance that came was an ambulance.
08:07High complexity ambulance, clearly.
08:09They came out and told me,
08:11Mom, you know what we can do?
08:13We can do something for your peace of mind.
08:15Your son is fine, he is stable.
08:17I repeat what I told you.
08:19Your son is out of danger.
08:21Your son is fine.
08:23I asked if I could see him again.
08:25He said, Mom, you can go with him.
08:27You know why?
08:29Because you are nervous.
08:31The doctors will not be able to work.
08:33He is stable, but we have to take him.
08:35He is fine.
08:39They took me to the hospital.
08:41They told me, Mom, you know what we can do?
08:43You can move.
08:45They took me to the hospital.
08:47They told me that the ambulance
08:49would come out with everything.
08:51Do they take you to the hospital?
08:53And the little one had not yet left the hospital?
08:55No, we came back
08:57and the neighbors told us.
08:59Because we were there and we did not know.
09:01We arrived at the hospital
09:03and asked for my son.
09:05They said they did not have any child there.
09:07There was an officer
09:09who I also have to thank.
09:11He said we were waiting for him
09:13and they had already been notified.
09:15Yes, they had already been notified
09:17and they were waiting for us.
09:19I asked them what happened to my son.
09:21They told me that they did not understand
09:23what had happened.
09:25They called the radio
09:27and told us that my son
09:29had never been transferred.
09:31They never took him out of there.
09:33First they told me
09:35that he had caught a stick
09:37on the way.
09:39Then they told me
09:41that when they were taking him
09:43on the stretcher,
09:45the ambulance came up.
09:47When they were taking him
09:49on the stretcher,
09:51I could not believe it.
09:53I'm going to ask you guys
09:55if you can put on your headphones,
09:57Cristian and Maria.
09:59I can't believe what I'm hearing.
10:01When I saw what they put
10:03my son on a stretcher,
10:05I don't know how I did it,
10:07but I looked at the floor
10:09of the stretcher.
10:11When I came back from the crossing,
10:13I asked,
10:15because at that time
10:17no one caught me,
10:19where is my son?
10:21I went through a corridor
10:23and my son was in the same position
10:25that they put him on the stretcher
10:27when I entered with him.
10:29They hadn't touched him at all.
10:31The only thing my son had
10:33was a puncture here in the leg.
10:35I asked him what they put on him.
10:37What did they put on him?
10:39He had told me what they put on him.
10:41They never gave my son oxygen.
10:43They never reanimated him.
10:45They never helped him.
10:47They never assisted him.
10:49They want to talk to you guys
10:51who are on the floor.
10:53Maria, we hug you in the heart
10:55at this difficult moment.
10:57Nahuel wanted to say hello
10:59from here too.
11:01First of all,
11:03I hug you with my soul.
11:05I don't understand.
11:07I understand that the medical team
11:09is going to run through a lane
11:11and it's okay for them to look for justice.
11:13The police department
11:15says that the shot
11:17was under the left headband
11:19and that
11:21in the transfer
11:23that's where
11:25Tomás
11:27dies.
11:29I saw him, Cristian.
11:31Do you know anything
11:33about the detainees?
11:35Do you know them?
11:37There are two detainees.
11:39I don't know them.
11:41Are they from the neighborhood?
11:43They are from another neighborhood.
11:45They are close,
11:47but they are from another neighborhood.
11:49And Tomás who was in the middle
11:51so that people could understand.
11:53Tomás was in the middle
11:55of a shootout between them?
11:57No.
11:59There were a lot of guys
12:01who passed the motorcycle.
12:05There,
12:07you will see the other impact
12:09on the door.
12:11More than one shot.
12:13Show me.
12:15Sorry.
12:17Sorry.
12:19Let's see if
12:21Cristian, can you come closer?
12:25There is the impact.
12:27Come closer.
12:29You can't be with a person standing.
12:35Yes, come closer.
12:37The stomach.
12:39That is,
12:41an adult,
12:43if there was another child,
12:45that's the head.
12:47That's the head, boy.
12:49Lu.
12:51Maria, Cristian, Lucia.
12:53Lucia greets you.
12:55Well, I add what my colleagues said.
12:57Here we are available for what they need
12:59and what we can do.
13:01Maria, today I heard you report in the morning
13:03the arrival of the ambulance.
13:05I understand that it took a while
13:07for another ambulance to arrive.
13:09It did not arrive.
13:11Can you tell me a little
13:13how that was and if they also attended the criminals?
13:15I understand that yes.
13:17How is that story?
13:19Yes, today they told me at the 7th police station
13:21that one was staying
13:23at the second police station in Quilmes
13:25and that the other was in the hospital
13:27because they were about to operate on him.
13:29They were about to do a leg surgery.
13:31Because of course,
13:33one of them has a fracture in one of his legs
13:35as a result of the blow when the police
13:37chase him.
13:39Then they get off the motorcycle
13:41and one fractures a leg
13:43and the other has no problem.
13:45Clearly, that one is arrested
13:47and the other is arrested
13:49but in turn attended
13:51in the hospital here
13:53in Quilmes
13:55with police custody.
13:57Yes, obviously, with police custody.
13:59Do they attend them immediately?
14:01Does an ambulance arrive
14:03to assist them?
14:05We did not know.
14:07The first time we found out
14:09and where he was, we found out.
14:11In which hospital?
14:13They told us they were waiting
14:15for him to go into surgery.
14:17They told us today at the police station.
14:19There are still two more murders to be arrested.
14:21Exactly.
14:23Those who were chasing these two,
14:25the ones with the black motorcycle.
14:27They say they were shooting in groups
14:29because of the motorcycle problems.
14:31That's why there was a problem between them.
14:33In fact,
14:35I tell you
14:37that the motorcycle that they kidnapped
14:39with an active kidnapping request
14:41a few days ago,
14:43that motorcycle
14:45has already declared
14:47the victim
14:49that they stole it
14:51and he recognizes them both.
14:53He recognizes them with the same clothes.
14:55And that they opened fire
14:57against the person too.
14:59Yes,
15:01we have photos
15:03of them with the iron in their hands
15:05and with the motorcycle
15:07a day before
15:09and every day that they posted on Facebook.
15:11As if they were enjoying.
15:13As if they were enlarging what they had done.
15:15No, that was before.
15:17As if they had stolen the white motorcycle.
15:19Yes, yes, exactly.
15:21So,
15:23if the police had done their job,
15:25this would not have happened.
15:27When we were watching my son,
15:29a boy also
15:31entered the funeral because he was being shot.
15:33Also other people.
15:35Kicking the police.
15:37Excuse me,
15:39to see if I understand, guys,
15:41there on the floor.
15:43You were watching Tomás
15:45who was in the funeral that had come out.
15:47No, nothing to do.
15:49But a boy comes in running.
15:51With fear because they were
15:53shooting him.
15:55To steal him.
15:57Well, in fact.
15:59The police ran after him, they looked for him and left.
16:01The police waited for the motorcycles to pass
16:03and they gave him the pass.
16:05And then we followed him.
16:07And there the police disappeared.
16:09So this is common.
16:11Today I also heard you say
16:13that you saw mothers in the news
16:15telling the story of the loss of their children.
16:17I told Cristian,
16:19look at the loss of those mothers,
16:21how they do.
16:23And now you are the protagonist of this tragic story.
16:25I mean,
16:27this feeling of impunity
16:29and total helplessness
16:31is very distressing
16:33and very overwhelming.
16:35The story.
16:39Yes, it's sad.
16:41I need to say something because I need to cry for my son.
16:45Since they killed my son, I can't cry for him.
16:49I shot my son, I took his drawer
16:51and I buried him and I can't cry for him.
16:55I don't have the strength to cry for him.
16:57I have the strength because I want to do justice.
17:01But I need
17:03justice because I need to cry
17:05for my daughter in peace.
17:07They won't give my baby back.
17:09I told him while I was looking at him
17:11and I said, son, I accept it and I let you go.
17:15But you help me, give me strength,
17:17help me be able to do justice for you.
17:19Because today it happened to me,
17:21but there were so many kids playing on the street,
17:23it could have been a massacre.
17:25Today it could have been a massacre.
17:27Most of the kids who are here
17:29were playing that day, that night.
17:31The kids are always on the street
17:33because nothing happens here, this is a quiet place.
17:35Maria, today I heard you say
17:37that you told your son
17:39I'm going with you.
17:41I'm going with you and I'm going with you.
17:45Yes, I told him, I finish saying goodbye to you
17:47and I'm going with you.
17:49No, but it's not like that.
17:51You have to fight.
17:53That's why, because later
17:55when they were about to take my son,
17:57I told him, son, forgive me, but mom still can't.
17:59Maria, who was...
18:01I have to do justice for you and I have your sisters.
18:03Who was Tomas, what dreams did he have?
18:05What was Tomas like?
18:07Tomas wanted to play ball.
18:09Of course.
18:11He wanted to have friends.
18:15He asked me so many times, mom, please
18:17let me go out to the street with the kids.
18:19Please, he asked me.
18:21Later they'll see me because you treat me like a baby.
18:23Yes, mom, later the kids laugh at me
18:25because they say I'm a baby
18:27because you don't let me go out.
18:29That's incredible.
18:31That's how he was, he didn't bother, he didn't hit.
18:33I didn't teach him to be bad.
18:35I taught him that women should respect each other,
18:37that you have to ask for a favor,
18:39that you have to say thank you,
18:41that you have to say excuse me,
18:43that you have to tell the big people
18:45that you have to treat them like you do.
18:47We always treat them like that,
18:49we always educate them well with the sister.
18:51How important it would have been
18:53that these two women,
18:55four, two more to stop,
18:57that these four women
18:59would have had a mother like you,
19:01who would have taught them respect,
19:03education, codes and values, right?
19:05That's what I mean by the mother,
19:07the mother of these kids,
19:09because they are 18 years old.
19:11I have a 21-year-old daughter and a 19-year-old daughter.
19:13My daughters don't go out to steal.
19:15Your son goes out to steal
19:17and I'm sure you were just as bad as them.
19:19Because I think your father
19:21wasn't educated like that.
19:23You weren't educated like that.
19:25So what do you do to your children?
19:27Your son kills, your son steals
19:29all the things they have stolen.
19:31Because what example are you giving to your son?
19:33If my son does something like that,
19:35you know that I'll take you myself.
19:37I'll give you myself,
19:39because tomorrow you can pass me as a mother.
19:41So what kind of mother are those?
19:43Those four mothers
19:45who are there with their children,
19:47because two will surely have taken their children somewhere,
19:49they will have taken them out of here.
19:51We already found out that one was taken to another province.
19:53I don't think any father likes this.
19:55So we are the ones who have to educate our children
19:57and teach them the good things.
19:59And they didn't do that.
20:01They applaud when their children steal or kill someone.
20:03They applaud them.
20:05They keep the stolen things because they bring them money.
20:07They bring them money,
20:09they bring them a high-end cell phone
20:11and their mother is so happy with that.
20:13Or maybe they are the same shit.
20:15Maybe they sell drugs, maybe they do something.
20:17So,
20:19what are we talking about here?
20:21I was looking for a good boy, 10 years old.
20:23A very good boy.
20:25I was looking for him.
20:27And I need him to do something because I have to cry for my son.
20:29I have to cry for him.
20:31And I want justice to be done for my son.
20:33Because I don't have him anymore.
20:35I just accepted that he left.
20:37He told me,
20:39Mom, accept him.
20:41And I said, son, I accept
20:43that you have to go.
20:45And when they were about to take him,
20:47I said, son, I accept that in a little while they will come to take you.
20:49All night long,
20:51my son didn't let me cry for him.
20:53Since my son was told that he was dead in the hospital,
20:55my son, two tears fell.
20:57My eyes dried up.
20:59Don't cry, son. Mom won't cry.
21:01Mom won't cry.
21:03And now I want them to do something.
21:05I want Mayra Mendoza to come.
21:07Because she is the one who should be giving the face here.
21:09The cameras are all there.
21:11But I want Mayra Mendoza to come and take care of security.
21:13Because when they want politics, everyone is here.
21:15Everyone is doing politics.
21:17But when someone dies, they do this.
21:19Or they look the other way.
21:21Today it was me, but tomorrow it can be anyone.
21:23And this can't go on like this.
21:25It can't go on like this.
21:27Maria, how many truths do you have to say?
21:29How many truths do you have to say?
21:31It's admirable.
21:33And how many would have to listen to you, Maria?
21:35How many would have to listen to you
21:37and learn from what you are saying?
21:39Personally...
21:41Because they messed with me
21:43with the wrong mother.
21:45They took my son out, but they didn't take me out
21:47to do justice for him.
21:49Personally,
21:51I'm going to ask Javi Moso,
21:53you have him there with you,
21:55my private number.
21:57I want to talk.
21:59And if I can help you, I will help you.
22:01You are one of those mothers.
22:03A lawyer.
22:05I need a lawyer.
22:07Because now I'm doing this,
22:09now the cameras are there,
22:11but tomorrow I have to keep moving
22:13and I don't know where to go.
22:15I don't know what I have to do.
22:17I'm going to call Joel,
22:19ask him, Javi is listening,
22:21to give you my number
22:23and in the afternoon call me.
22:25Let's see if we can resolve
22:27the lawyer thing.
22:29And hug you with your soul,
22:31you and your husband.
22:33And this is the attitude.
22:35And that mother who took her children,
22:37if they took them from here,
22:39be a little aware that today it was my turn,
22:41but you surely have more children
22:43and tomorrow some of your children
22:45will come to you.
22:47You will not care.
22:49Or you will care a little like a mother.
22:51Do you know what happens, Maria?
22:53That we are used to living
22:55in a world today
22:57where they kill a criminal
22:59in an armed confrontation.
23:01And if that happens to me,
23:03if we react
23:05and we kill the criminal,
23:07then we are to blame
23:09for having killed him.
23:11Yes, but today you notice...
23:13They want to do anything to you.
23:15But when they kill an innocent,
23:17they don't do it.
23:19No, but you notice that they fire the shots,
23:21the funerals,
23:23brother, may heaven cover you,
23:25protect you,
23:27brother, how many times we cry.
23:29The truth is that we are used to that
23:31and you have to get used to it.
23:33To mothers like you,
23:35that the children,
23:37no matter where they live,
23:39education is the primary thing.
23:41Totally.
23:45There it is.
23:47Do you understand?
23:51Yes.
24:01Yes.
24:07Maria, may I ask you
24:09where do you work?
24:11What do you do for a living?
24:13No, I'm a housewife, my husband works.
24:15There it is.
24:17I work as a vanitre assistant.
24:19Vanitre assistant.
24:21Because Maria,
24:23you just gave a very powerful message
24:25about how our country is.
24:27And when we talk about
24:29the very high numbers of poverty,
24:31we are talking about...
24:33Yes, it's complicated.
24:35It's really complicated today.
24:37It's really complicated.
24:39That's why I also wanted to clarify.
24:41Go ahead, brother.
24:43I wanted to clarify that there were
24:45many people who made a collection,
24:47who asked for permission
24:49to make a collection
24:51and they were scratching it.
24:53They were bad at that
24:55because they were asked,
24:57because they wanted to help.
24:59There was one to pay a couple of things.
25:01It wasn't all municipal, as they say.
25:03We had everything to bring our son.
25:05Yes, but do you know where...
25:07We had to pay things.
25:09Now I can't,
25:11I had to stop working.
25:13Today I had to go to work and I had to stop working.
25:15I work every day.
25:17It's not that I have a fixed salary every day.
25:19If I don't work today,
25:21I don't know how long
25:23I won't be able to work for this.
25:25In that sense, they made the collection.
25:27Very clear.
25:29I understand you.
25:31You have been very good to us.
25:33I don't know,
25:35but I've been surrounded by many people.
25:37But I wanted to point out this.
25:39We are in some points
25:41we are solidary, the Argentines.
25:43But I wanted to point out this, Maria,
25:45that you give a very powerful message
25:47when we talk about so much poverty
25:49and the hunger that people go through.
25:51But it's not because of that.
25:53As much as there is poverty or hunger,
25:55you are going to support your son who is going to steal.
25:57Grab a car, go get cardboard.
25:59Get a bottle.
26:01For six years we have been collecting cardboard.
26:03We built our house
26:05to have our family together.
26:07We had the house made of sheet metal.
26:09And today we have a house
26:11and someone is missing now.
26:13Someone is missing now.
26:15Because we built that house
26:17together in the cart.
26:19I can tell you anyone.
26:21I have my car there.
26:23Now I'm working on the veneer
26:25because my hand is very hard.
26:27But look at what they did.
26:29And now we have to ruin their lives.
26:31Their lives.
26:33What's going to happen to me
26:35when I find out that my son is gone?
26:37What's going to happen?
26:39I accepted that he left,
26:41but what's going to happen to me
26:43when I have to face reality?
26:45What's going to happen to me?
26:47I'm doing all of this
26:49because I have the strength,
26:51but when I have to face reality,
26:53when I have to open that curtain
26:55and my son's bed is empty,
26:57what do I do?
26:59I eat a glass of hot milk
27:01and wait for him?
27:07That is what I would have thought,
27:09but he is not here.
27:11You have to understand
27:13what happened to him.
27:15When they brought him to bed
27:17I said, it's true.
27:19And then he said to me,
27:21mom, you know you have to let me go.
27:23You have to accept him.
27:25He wanted to sleep, he told me to sleep, he told me to sleep for a while, I got up next to him and went to sleep.
27:31I heard him talking to you.
27:33Yes, yes, he was ten years old, but he talked to me and he was a little man.
27:38He was my baby and they took him away from me.
27:41These guys are very strong.
27:44A message.
27:45For you, son, I'm going to get to the last consequences, to the last consequences, son.
27:49Don't be afraid.
27:50Because they took my life away from you, but they didn't take my desire to fight away.
27:54And I'm not afraid of anything.
27:55Good, Maria.
27:56I'm not afraid of anything, because they messed with the wrong mother.
28:00That's what they did.
28:01I want to congratulate you, Maria.
28:02The truth is that if I had to put myself in Tomás's place, I would definitely want a mother like you.
28:09Without a doubt.
28:11Without a doubt.
28:13And I want to emphasize my partner too, because you know that here on the floor, what you are saying hits the chest.
28:21And I can't stop seeing my partner Luvaldi crying.
28:26Because we want a country like the one you want.
28:28Completely.
28:29We want a country like this and we don't ask for more or less.
28:32And yes, because things can be bad, but you don't send your son, you don't keep the iron, you don't send your son to steal.
28:38Maria, I want to add.
28:39You don't support him in that.
28:40Maria.
28:41Or don't do it, because your son will get out of jail.
28:44Very clear.
28:45Very clear.
28:46Maria, look, you don't know.
28:48I am very sorry to meet you in this situation, because we are talking about your son who was killed by two murderers.
28:56Four.
28:57Four.
28:58Sorry, you are right.
28:59Maria, the strength of what you are saying is the Argentina for which we all fight.
29:04To earn a living by working.
29:06To go out to work and break your back every day.
29:09I always saw this on TV.
29:11Sure, and now it's your turn.
29:13When we say, no, because the number of poor people increases, the crime increases.
29:17Lies.
29:18Criminals are sons of bitches who want to go out to kill you, what you earn every day.
29:24Your father.
29:25Exactly.
29:26Your husband worked hard to build a house made of sheet metal.
29:31The two of us worked, yes.
29:33We didn't have a break.
29:34You were able to build a house.
29:40What were you saying, brother?
29:43That we have pictures of us operating, how we built our house.
29:46Brother, operating is to earn.
29:47We don't need to steal at all.
29:49Sure, dad.
29:50We don't need to hurt people.
29:52Sure, brother.
29:53That's how you have to earn a living.
29:55That's the example you have to give.
29:57Do you hear from the other side?
29:58No, I don't want to steal.
30:00Look at this couple.
30:01Look at this couple.
30:02They killed a 10-year-old son.
30:03That's the example you have to give.
30:04He operated.
30:05I met her and the two of us went out operating.
30:09We built our house together.
30:11That's how we did it.
30:12Why?
30:13To have our children together.
30:16To enjoy, to live life.
30:18It was to build the house the way we wanted and then we would enjoy life.
30:23And we didn't get there.
30:25We didn't get there.
30:26We can't even enjoy the day-to-day.
30:29We can't wake up happy like before.
30:32Today we are missing something.
30:34Someone, rather.
30:37They killed my son.
30:40What answer can you give to this couple?
30:44I love him like my own son.
30:45I raised him for three years.
30:47You raised him?
30:48Today, I miss him.
30:51Who says I didn't love him?
30:53Whatever they say, because there is always a bad tongue.
30:57He was my life for me.
30:59He was the son I have.
31:02Listen, right?
31:04A marriage.
31:07They just killed a 10-year-old boy.
31:10The tears of this man.
31:11Who gives an answer to this man?
31:13When we talk again, I insist.
31:16The rights, the guarantees.
31:18What was the right that Tomás had?
31:20What guarantee did they give Tomás?
31:23He wanted to go out to play football.
31:25He wanted to go out to play football.
31:27A mother who broke her back working,
31:29cartoning, surgery to make her house.
31:32Are you ashamed of having cartoned?
31:35She goes out to work.
31:36No, shame is what that mother does.
31:38Of course.
31:39To take her children everywhere.
31:42That's shame.
31:43They should be ashamed to look their children in the face and say,
31:46I raised this, this is what I had, this is what I raised.
31:50They have to be ashamed of that.
31:53No, I'm not ashamed.
31:54No doubt.
31:55Maria, look, you are one of the messages.
31:57They are ashamed.
31:58In this terrible misfortune, and poor thing,
32:01you at home know that Maria is going to fall tomorrow,
32:03the day after, when she is alone at home.
32:06You are a very strong image and encouragement,
32:12as Nahuel said,
32:13encouragement that our country is full of more Marias like you,
32:18with your interest, with your strength and with your values.
32:22And with your values.
32:24That's how it has to be.
32:25Maria, you are a reflection, not only for your daughters,
32:29for all that neighborhood that is behind today,
32:32you are a reflection.
32:34Look at the children who are behind today,
32:36with the photo of your children.
32:38Maria, for them.
32:39You are a lighthouse for those kids.
32:42Don't give up your son's fight.
32:44I will continue because I will not stop.
32:46Don't stop, but never stop giving your message, Maria.
32:49Never.
32:50It is a message that is going to overcome the shit
32:53that you have around these garbage that was taken to your son.
32:56But your message will prevail, Maria.
32:58Yes, because they messed with the wrong mother.
33:00I hug you with all my heart.
33:02I am not that mother who goes on TV today and starts crying tomorrow.
33:05I hug you with all my heart, Maria.
33:07They took my life, they killed my son.
33:09What else, Maria?
33:10I ask you, please, to ask for my number later,
33:12because I will accompany you in your fight.
33:14Do not doubt it,
33:16because in a neighborhood or in a place,
33:18it does not matter where it is.
33:19I am always a warrior.
33:20I never bowed my head for anyone.
33:22I'm not going to come and bow my head now.
33:24No, you don't have to bow your head.
33:25Here you fight.
33:26And I'm going to close my eyes and start crying.
33:27I'm going to have my time for that.
33:28Yes, but Maria, you are not the one who has to bow your head.
33:31On the contrary.
33:32Here is a reality.
33:33The justice, Lu,
33:34the justice, what I'm going to tell you is,
33:35look, we already arrested the person.
33:37So detained, they are going to pay for the crime they committed.
33:40But you must continue.
33:41You in a place where it is easier to get.
33:44How long? If I don't do anything.
33:45No, of course.
33:47Let's see how long they can have him detained.
33:49One or two years in prison?
33:51No, it's that, let's see.
33:52Then how much more?
33:53It is that your pain will continue,
33:54no matter how much they give him,
33:55it is from 8 to 25 the sentence.
33:56For that very reason.
33:57Your pain will be eternal.
33:58For that very reason.
34:00Do you understand?
34:01I'm not going to stop
34:02because they are not going to give him 18 or 25 years.
34:04They are going to be there for life.
34:06For life.
34:08And if this happens
34:09and in 10 years they want to give him freedom,
34:11in 7 years I will move everything again
34:13because my son is not going to stay like that.
34:15They are not going to leave.
34:16They are not going to stay like that.
34:17What would you tell them?
34:18They are not going to see the light of day outside.
34:20What would you tell the detainees,
34:22these two detainees,
34:23or the four,
34:24if you had the chance to tell them something?
34:29What would I tell those four?
34:32Yes.
34:33That you took my son away from me
34:34and that I'm going for you.
34:35I'm not afraid of you.
34:37I'm not afraid of you.
34:39You took my son's life.
34:41But I'm going to do justice
34:42and you are not going to see the light of day again.
34:45You are not going to have the privileges
34:46that all the detainees have.
34:48You are not.
34:49You made a mistake with me.
34:50You made a mistake with this mother.
34:52You made a mistake by taking my son away from me.
34:55Because every day he is making me stronger.
34:57Every day more.
34:59And your mothers too.
35:02Those two who took him away.
35:03If you are mothers,
35:04as you say, we are mothers.
35:05Why aren't you mothers?
35:06You are a shield.
35:09You should take your own children.
35:11Look, my son was the one who was in that problem.
35:13Because if I had been a mother
35:14and my son had done it,
35:16I, as a mother,
35:17thinking of the pain of the other mother,
35:18said, you did it.
35:19As I always tell you.
35:21As I always tell my brothers.
35:23Of course.
35:24We would say,
35:25the day you send some stupid shit,
35:26we ourselves are going to take you.
35:27Of course.
35:28And that's how a mother is treated.
35:30A mother does not cover her son for stealing.
35:32A mother does not keep iron for him.
35:34A mother does not take the money
35:35that her son brings her
35:36so that he takes it from a person
35:37who kills himself working.
35:39A mother does not do that.
35:40A mother does not keep stolen motorcycles.
35:42Not a mother, not a mother.
35:43Do you know what she says?
35:44Son, finish school.
35:46Finish school and if you have to go
35:47to clean a toilet,
35:48you have a complete high school degree.
35:50Son, go and clean it.
35:52But you are a good person.
35:54You don't have to steal from anyone.
35:56Do you understand?
35:57You give me empathy.
35:58It's a mother who doesn't do it.
35:59You give me immense empathy, Maria.
36:01You know why?
36:02Because you have the dialect of the neighborhood.
36:04Because I am not a drop in the bucket
36:06and I understand all the words
36:07and the movements.
36:09And what you preach is education.
36:11The truth is that...
36:12Yes.
36:13It always has to be.
36:14With education and respect
36:15you get everywhere.
36:16Totally, totally.
36:18The empathy I feel is immense.
36:20Immense.
36:21Yes, I think what an absolute privilege
36:23Tomás had in having you as a mother
36:25and the privilege of your girls.
36:27It's a...
36:29It gives me a lot of hope to listen
36:31to people like you
36:32and I know that I am not the only one.
36:34There are many people
36:35who are commenting
36:37on the program
36:38that is solidarizing
36:39and that is very moved.
36:40It's really...
36:41You have a courage and a strength
36:43that is very admirable
36:44and I listen while you speak
36:46the chorus of children and classmates
36:48that you had behind
36:49of children who are asking for justice
36:51for surely a neighborhood friend,
36:53a schoolmate,
36:54referring to Tomás.
36:55I am the boy who is every day
36:57playing on the street.
36:58Of course.
36:59And it could have been
37:00any of them.
37:01Yes.
37:02It could have been
37:03any of them.
37:04Yes.
37:05It could have been
37:06a massacre.
37:07Yes.
37:08Without a doubt.
37:09Without a doubt.
37:10The...
37:11I am going to tell you something.
37:13The silence
37:14The respect
37:15that was made
37:16when Maria was speaking
37:19is incredible.
37:21There are a lot of people
37:22in the neighborhood.
37:23It's like revolutionized.
37:25There are the media
37:26and the silence
37:29when she was speaking
37:31and the silence
37:32how her daughters were looking at her
37:34who are at the door of the house
37:36who don't want to speak
37:37because they are in pain,
37:39they are sick.
37:40It's tremendous, guys.
37:41They are not going to be in pain
37:42and they are not going to be sick
37:43if they take out our angel,
37:45if they take out our chubby
37:46as we called him.
37:48We were four women
37:50and we had only one little boy.
37:53How do we get out of this now?
37:55How do we explain to her,
37:57how do we explain to her
37:58eight-year-old sister
37:59who was her classmate
38:00that her brother is not going to come anymore?
38:03Yesterday I had to explain to her
38:04what we were going to do
38:05with her little brother
38:06once we got him out of there.
38:08I had to explain to her
38:09where we were going to take her brother
38:11and what was going to happen to him.
38:13How do I explain to her
38:15every day
38:16that her brother is not going to come back?
38:17How is she going to understand?
38:18She is her playmate,
38:19she watches TV,
38:20she is her fight partner.
38:23My daughter is eight years old.
38:26How do you explain to her
38:27that her little brother is not going to come back?
38:29As a mother,
38:30because she doesn't understand,
38:31she is going to say tomorrow,
38:32look what a mother I had.
38:33My brother is not...
38:35But those people are not out either.
38:38Do you understand?
38:39Perfectly.
38:40That's how it has to be.
38:41I want justice
38:42because I want at some point
38:43to start the pain of my son.
38:45That's what I want.
38:47I can't speak.
38:49I want to scream,
38:50I want to cry,
38:51I want to sing,
38:52but I want that moment to come
38:53and I want this to end everything.
38:55As long as that happens,
38:56I can't cry
38:57because I'm calm.
38:59I am strong
39:00and I want to continue like this for him
39:01and doing the things I'm doing.
39:03Look, dear Maria,
39:06the impact of your testimony is moving
39:10because today you are a victim
39:12together with your son,
39:13with your family.
39:14The impact it has,
39:15the words you are giving,
39:16because within this pain,
39:18which I can't tell you
39:19that we can understand,
39:20no one can understand
39:21the pain you are going through,
39:23but with the temperance,
39:24the serenity with which you are speaking,
39:26without a speech,
39:29wait,
39:30I'm not going to squeeze you
39:31so you go to that side,
39:32but I say,
39:33without a speech of hatred,
39:34you are not asking for revenge,
39:35death,
39:36going out to kill.
39:37You can feel it in your heart.
39:38I don't want you to go to that side.
39:39I don't want you to go to that side.
39:40I don't want to take you there.
39:41Let me say this,
39:42it moves the wood
39:46from which you are made, Maria.
39:48Let's see,
39:49tell me one thing,
39:50look, if I say,
39:51oh, I hope they kill them,
39:52no?
39:53I'm doing them a favor.
39:55Totally agree, of course.
39:57Because I'm taking their life,
39:58so no,
39:59they have to be alive
40:01to remember all their life
40:02of what they did.
40:04Do you understand?
40:05It's amazing.
40:06Do you know why you're there?
40:08So they can say,
40:09oh, look, do you know why I'm here?
40:10Because I killed a creature
40:11that had nothing to do with it.
40:13And maybe it's not
40:14the first death they have.
40:15Of course.
40:16They had to be in prison, Maria.
40:17Do you understand?
40:18They had already stolen,
40:19they already had a cause
40:21to be in prison.
40:25Exactly.
40:27Maria,
40:28both you and your husband,
40:33are the people we really want
40:35in this country,
40:36laborers, fighters, fighters,
40:39but above all,
40:40the kids take care of themselves
40:41and educate themselves.
40:43You have so much to teach,
40:45so much to teach,
40:47and many who take off their shirts
40:49and ties and live
40:51in the best areas,
40:54I hope people listen to you
40:57and many do what you do.
40:59And I repeat,
41:01if you were in Tomás' place,
41:04I wish you had touched me,
41:07that you were my old lady.
41:09That lioness that every child needs,
41:11that lioness that will show you her teeth
41:13and will also give you a kiss,
41:15that lioness that kills or dies
41:17in case you touch her puppy.
41:20And you have the coldness
41:21of standing in front of the camera
41:24and showing that lioness
41:25that is wounded but not defeated.
41:28You take my word for it.
41:29That's how it is.
41:34No one is going to give my son back,
41:35I know that.
41:39I know that very well
41:40and I accepted it
41:41the day his bed was closed.
41:45And...
41:46But they won't be out again either.
41:51We live in a country
41:52where justice cares more
41:54about the criminals than the children.
41:58I'm not going to talk about politics.
42:00No, no, politics, no, no, no.
42:03But where is the security?
42:05Where is Mayra Mendoza
42:06who has to be with the security?
42:08Because when they want to do politics
42:09they are all going around, right?
42:11They go to all the neighborhoods.
42:12Let me finish talking.
42:13Yes.
42:14Please.
42:15Yes, yes, Maria, go ahead.
42:16Because when they want to do politics
42:17they come and talk to the neighbors,
42:18they give each other a kiss,
42:19we take a picture, right?
42:21When they want something for now.
42:22And where are they now
42:23that I need them?
42:24Where is Mayra Mendoza here?
42:26With her fake smile that she has,
42:27saying, yes, mom, we are with you.
42:29No.
42:30But wait a few months
42:31for politics to start.
42:33Okay, I share that.
42:35I am one of the journalists who,
42:36for example,
42:37I hate politics.
42:39Of all political parties,
42:40they are all the same.
42:42They are all the same.
42:43And if you have the opportunity,
42:47you are going to realize
42:48that in your son's funeral
42:50a fucking politician
42:51from no political party
42:52came up to you.
42:53Do you understand?
42:55Because they care about other things.
42:57From left to right,
42:58middle to center.
42:59What I care about here
43:01is what you are teaching us.
43:03Education for our children.
43:05And that in those kids is the future.
43:07And yesterday
43:08they ended up killing
43:09part of the future with your son.
43:10That's what pisses me off.
43:12Do you understand, Maria?
43:15Yes, I understand.
43:17Carlos, Lu.
43:18Those women
43:19would not have had respect,
43:20they would not have had education
43:21to do the same with their children.
43:23Without a doubt.
43:24Because they always say
43:25that education and respect
43:26start at home.
43:27No?
43:28That's what my mom always taught me.
43:30Education and respect
43:31start at home.
43:32Where are you from, Maria?
43:33Where did you grow up?
43:34How was your family composed
43:35when you were little?
43:37Because you are a reflection
43:38of your home.
43:39You are a reflection.
43:40Did you see that the tree,
43:41they say that the fruit
43:42never falls far from the tree.
43:44Who was your...
43:45Who guided you in life, Maria?
43:47My mom.
43:48Because I grew up without my dad,
43:49my mom.
43:50And how was that family
43:51composed?
43:52Did your mom live?
43:53Yes, my mom did.
43:54I suspected it so much
43:55that I was going to say
43:56that I suspected it so much.
43:57You asked if your mom lived.
43:58She says yes.
43:59How is your family
44:00composed, Maria?
44:01We are 11 sisters.
44:02Did you see?
44:03They were a single boy too
44:04and they killed my brother.
44:06How?
44:07How did they kill him?
44:08My mom didn't have the opportunity
44:09to do what I'm doing now
44:10because she told me.
44:11You have to be very grateful
44:12to those people
44:13because when they killed
44:14your brother,
44:15I didn't have the opportunity
44:16to be doing this
44:17that you are doing.
44:18And with that,
44:19she told me everything
44:20that I have to follow.
44:21Maria, what...
44:22I can't deny myself for anything.
44:23What happened to your brother?
44:26My brother was also killed.
44:29In what context?
44:30For robbery?
44:31How? Why?
44:32They shot him.
44:34Of course.
44:35They were running in the village
44:36and my brother was standing
44:37in a corridor
44:38and they killed him.
44:39A circumstance
44:40more or less similar to this
44:41except that instead of riding a motorcycle
44:43they were running.
44:45Exactly like that.
44:47Exactly like that.
44:48And my brother didn't have the opportunity.
44:50He didn't have anyone
44:51because he didn't do justice.
44:52But my son does have it
44:53because for my son it's me.
44:56I'm his mom.
44:57I always told him,
44:58son, I'm your mom.
45:02Maria...
45:03Yes, mom, I know.
45:04Yes, mom.
45:05Maria, did your mom
45:06raise the 11 children alone?
45:10Alone, yes.
45:12Yes.
45:13There she is again.
45:14We lived in a house made of sheet metal
45:16and none of my siblings
45:17went out to do that.
45:19Because my mom used to say,
45:20you do that
45:21or I'll take you
45:22and break your bones.
45:23That was the upbringing.
45:24And that's how we were raised.
45:25Of course.
45:26Well, it's no coincidence, right?
45:27It's so important.
45:28Maria, if you'll allow me,
45:29Maria, with all due respect,
45:31there are many people
45:32who are writing to us
45:35and they want to give you
45:37their voice
45:38and their strength
45:39so that you don't fall.
45:40Will you allow me to read messages
45:42that people also want to communicate to you?
45:45Will you allow me?
45:46Yes, of course.
45:47Lu?
45:48Yes, please, yes.
45:49They send us messages,
45:5011-50-50-33-00.
45:52These people are the real Argentina.
45:55Not everything is lost.
45:57We have many Marias
45:58raising good children,
45:59even if we don't have money in our pockets.
46:01Thanks to 24
46:02for also showing these values
46:04despite the pain.
46:06Do we have more?
46:07Why is it like this?
46:09I'll go with another one, Maria,
46:10for you too.
46:11Why is it like this?
46:12If you don't have bread on your table,
46:14go ask for a bakery.
46:17Go ask anywhere.
46:19Or what makes it easier for you
46:20to go get things from others,
46:21to go steal
46:23and say,
46:24I have things in my pocket.
46:25Yes, you have things in your pocket,
46:26but because you didn't earn it.
46:28Totally.
46:30I'll share another message with you,
46:31Maria, 11-50-50-33-00.
46:34The person responsible for the death
46:35of the 10-year-old boy
46:37is the judge who set him free
46:39with a record.
46:42Do you know what I heard?
46:43Yes.
46:44I heard the last name,
46:45when I heard that last name.
46:46It rang a bell, didn't it?
46:49What do you mean?
46:50Who did they fire?
46:52No, no, no.
46:53They didn't fire anyone.
46:54No, Maria, no, no.
46:55They didn't fire anyone.
46:57They didn't fire anyone?
46:58No, no.
46:59They didn't fire anyone.
47:04I don't have…
47:05She found out, daughter.
47:06Send her a message.
47:07If you give me…
47:08Give me a second,
47:09and I'll check it for you.
47:10Give me a second,
47:11and I'll check it for you.
47:13Go on reading, Lu.
47:14That's how the phone rings.
47:16Maria, here,
47:17Nahuel is trying to find out,
47:19Carlos is also trying to find out.
47:20In the meantime,
47:21I'll share another message with you.
47:22People,
47:23the phone number of Alerta 24-7
47:24is exploited,
47:2611-50-50-33-00.
47:28Maria, here they tell us,
47:29I'm sure that the parents
47:30knew that their children
47:31were criminals,
47:32but they didn't do anything
47:33to correct those children.
47:34Who knew?
47:35Well, what you were saying, right?
47:39I'll repeat it again.
47:41I'll repeat it again.
47:43If you know that your son
47:44doesn't study,
47:45doesn't work,
47:46what does your son do
47:47when he brings things?
47:49Do you understand?
47:50Yes.
47:52Has something similar happened
47:53in the neighborhood, Maria?
47:57What?
47:58Has something similar happened
47:59in the neighborhood, Maria?
48:01How do they live there?
48:03They had already killed
48:04another boy too.
48:08Maria dear,
48:09sorry, sorry Lu,
48:10Maria dear,
48:12we embrace you in our hearts,
48:13we will accompany you,
48:15you will be in contact
48:16with Nahuel,
48:17because we,
48:18from our place,
48:19we are going to,
48:21we are not going to abandon
48:22this case and we are going
48:23to make sure
48:24that justice is done
48:26and that these murderers
48:27who killed your children,
48:28the four of them,
48:29because there are two
48:30that are so profligate.
48:31I don't want them to put,
48:32as they always put,
48:33a mother of pain.
48:34No, no, no.
48:35Because what they put
48:36is the mother of pain.
48:37You can see it in your eyes.
48:38I am a mother who is,
48:39it will be justice for me
48:40and for all the boys
48:41because there are always
48:42boys here.
48:43Unfortunately,
48:44that happened to my son
48:45as it could have been
48:46the son of any mother
48:47who is here.
48:48And that has to change.
48:49The boys have the right
48:50to go out to play in a sidewalk.
48:51Those who do not have the right
48:52are those who are doing
48:53what they do.
48:54They want money,
48:55they go to work,
48:56they want things,
48:57they go to work,
48:58earn it as everyone does.
48:59They don't have to have
49:00our children locked up.
49:01Very clear.
49:02Maria, dear.
49:03Because that doesn't have to be.
49:04Maria, dear,
49:05we will continue to accompany you.
49:06You gave a very powerful message
49:07to our whole country
49:08in the midst of this misfortune
49:09that they are living.
49:10We send you a huge hug
49:11to you, to your husband.
49:12We will accompany you.
49:13You stay in contact
49:14with Javi Mozo,
49:15who is on our cell phone.
49:16Thank you for attending us
49:17at this difficult time,
49:18Maria, dear.
49:19No, thank you.
49:20And don't leave me alone.
49:21We are not going to leave you alone.
49:22We send you a huge kiss.
49:23Maria, before closing,
49:24I want to tell you
49:25that we are going to
49:29ask Javi for my number.
49:32I am Nahuel.
49:33In fact,
49:34I'm going to take a break
49:35because I'm going to call
49:36personally to check
49:37if anyone is free or not.
49:38I understand that no,
49:39but I'm going to get the doubt out.
49:41And then,
49:42in the evening,
49:43contact me
49:44or give me your number.
49:45Leave it to Javi.
49:46Just to get in touch.
49:47First,
49:48because I want to give you a hand.
49:50Second,
49:51because you are an example
49:52for society.
49:53And third,
49:54not with the boys.
49:55Thank you, Maria.
49:56With the boys,
49:57or not with the boys.
49:58With the boys, no.