Once Upon a Time in Northern Ireland BBC Documentary sub English episode 1
Once Upon a Time in Northern Ireland BBC Documentary sub English episode 1
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00:00:00This all seems very atmospheric.
00:00:13I just realised there, Sian, you told me I had to wear black.
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00:00:32Is it OK? Does it look OK?
00:00:34It happens all the time.
00:00:36Sorry about that.
00:00:38I never even thought, to be honest.
00:00:41I never even thought. I'm sorry about that.
00:00:43It's OK, you're grand.
00:00:45If we're going to do this,
00:00:47we should invite this IRA guy to come with us.
00:00:49Then I would never have met an IRA guy,
00:00:51so I didn't know how I was going to feel.
00:00:53But as we were chatting this through,
00:00:55the IRA guy...
00:00:57I did a talk in a school,
00:00:59and I was telling my story.
00:01:01It was one of those moments in my journey
00:01:03that was the breakthrough moment.
00:01:05It was one of those moments
00:01:07in my journey that was the breakthrough moment.
00:01:10When this one guy, this kid,
00:01:12got up and he said,
00:01:14look, you know,
00:01:16with the greatest of respect,
00:01:18your stories are your stories,
00:01:20but they're not our stories.
00:01:22And we don't want to hear them anymore.
00:01:24Because as far as we're concerned,
00:01:26the troubles are over,
00:01:28and people are getting on with their lives.
00:01:30And I don't want to say how he
00:01:32had as many Protestant friends
00:01:34as he had Catholic friends.
00:01:36So I just thought for a moment,
00:01:38I asked a group of boys,
00:01:40Catholic boys, probably about 16, 17 years old,
00:01:42that when they left school
00:01:44and got a job and settled down,
00:01:46how many of them would consider
00:01:48buying a house or renting a house
00:01:50on the Shankill Road?
00:01:52And not one person
00:01:54put their hand up.
00:01:56And of course the reason for that
00:01:58is that we live in a divided society,
00:02:00and the fact is that the Shankill Road is a Protestant area,
00:02:02and that you wouldn't be safe as a Catholic living there.
00:02:04So if, you know,
00:02:06the troubles are over,
00:02:08how come people wouldn't move into each other's areas?
00:02:10Because we're not there yet.
00:02:12You know, we have to have
00:02:14a shared society that respects
00:02:16and values everybody's contribution
00:02:18to this society.
00:02:20I mean, I'm talking
00:02:22now about, like, frigging, you know,
00:02:24like John Lennon or something, I guess,
00:02:26you know, in terms of, you know,
00:02:28might as well get the guitar and start singing peace songs and stuff.
00:02:30But it's about that, you know?
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00:03:00I'd known Ulf Sharon
00:03:02for many years.
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00:03:06She played in a little
00:03:08gospel band.
00:03:12But then,
00:03:14in 1984,
00:03:16I
00:03:18decided to become a Christian.
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00:03:22I then decided that
00:03:24I couldn't go
00:03:26and do the things that I used to do,
00:03:28so I used to always go out with my cousin John, drinking,
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00:03:44We were both big Rod Stewart fans,
00:03:46but you couldn't really be into Rod Stewart,
00:03:48particularly after he did Do You Think I'm Sexy,
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00:03:54In those days,
00:03:56I didn't think that Christians drank,
00:03:58so I decided that that wasn't right
00:04:00to do that anymore.
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00:04:04And then I had nothing to do on a Saturday night,
00:04:06so my friend
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00:04:10suggested that I come along
00:04:12to the youth club,
00:04:14and Sharon was there.
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00:04:18Yeah, we started
00:04:20going out that night, actually, so I was a Christian
00:04:22about a week
00:04:24when I met Sharon.
00:04:26We were both from
00:04:28working-class Protestant areas,
00:04:30but we were very different in many respects.
00:04:32Her life,
00:04:34from a very early stage,
00:04:36was very much centred around the church,
00:04:38where mine wasn't.
00:04:40But I fell in love with her very quickly.
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00:05:02I guess life was pretty set, you know?
00:05:04You sort of fell in love,
00:05:06got married, had a kid.
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00:05:10The troubles were
00:05:12in full pelt,
00:05:14even though there were efforts
00:05:16to bring this to an end.
00:05:18John Hume and Gerry Adams
00:05:20say their series of meetings
00:05:22made considerable progress
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00:05:26I don't really think we had any huge expectations
00:05:28of real change coming.
00:05:30You know, we just thought
00:05:32that we would always have the troubles,
00:05:34and so you kind of get on with your lives
00:05:36in spite of the troubles.
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00:05:40You hardly stopped to think,
00:05:42oh my goodness, this is horrendous.
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00:05:50There was an acceptable level of balance,
00:05:52unless it was somebody that you knew,
00:05:54you know, you might as well have not have happened
00:05:56because you didn't really think about it at all.
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00:06:12Now, if you come across somebody wearing
00:06:14a bright red plastic nose in the next few weeks,
00:06:16don't be alarmed.
00:06:18The chances are that they haven't gone potty.
00:06:20There were red noses on many famous faces today.
00:06:22The comic relief organisers
00:06:24want more than a million people
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00:06:36It was the first comic relief.
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00:06:48I remember
00:06:50going to school
00:06:52and like lots of other kids who were
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00:07:00being called down into the headmaster's
00:07:02office and thinking,
00:07:04God,
00:07:06I haven't asked permission to put these
00:07:08posters up. Here we go, this is going to be like,
00:07:10you know, who do you think
00:07:12you are, you know, when you're in your posters?
00:07:14And the headmaster
00:07:16said to me,
00:07:22I think you need to sit down.
00:07:26There was a sort of a weird slow motion
00:07:28but a very quick exchange,
00:07:30which was, he said, your father's been shot.
00:07:32And I said, is he dead?
00:07:34And he said, yes.
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00:07:52Mr Kielty was sitting in the office
00:07:54when two hooded gunmen entered around
00:07:56half past 11. As his secretary
00:07:58watched in horror, they shot him several
00:08:00times at close range.
00:08:02My dad was a
00:08:04building contractor
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00:08:08rather than pay protection money
00:08:10to loyalist paramilitaries,
00:08:12they decided to go to the police.
00:08:14You know, my dad was
00:08:16the chairman of the Gaelic football
00:08:18club, which would have been considered
00:08:20a Catholic organisation.
00:08:22So
00:08:24you put both of those together
00:08:26and that was
00:08:28reason enough for them to kill him.
00:08:32Mr Kielty's eldest sons,
00:08:34John and Patrick, carried the coffin.
00:08:36The UFF, a cover name for
00:08:38the UDA, admitted killing him.
00:08:42My main thought was that I wanted
00:08:44to be the person that my dad wanted me
00:08:46to be. I wanted to do
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00:08:52that he would be happy
00:08:54with how things have turned out.
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00:09:00that was sort of the backdrop
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00:09:04my university years and
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00:09:10Our next contestant from
00:09:12Dundrum County Down, let's have a welcome
00:09:14for Patrick Kielty.
00:09:26Hello, my name is Patrick Kielty and
00:09:28I'm down from Northern Ireland
00:09:30tonight.
00:09:32You wanted to show people
00:09:34that you were functioning.
00:09:36You wanted to show people that
00:09:38this sadness
00:09:40you were carrying, this brokenness that you had
00:09:42wasn't everything about you.
00:09:54I started doing more material
00:09:56about what was going on in the news
00:09:58and you had an audience that had a real
00:10:00passion for it.
00:10:02And that became The Empire,
00:10:04The Empire Comedy Club.
00:10:06Which changed my life.
00:10:10Hello and welcome to The Empire
00:10:12Comedy Club here in Belfast.
00:10:16This guy here, you could be a police man,
00:10:18couldn't you?
00:10:20With the hair there.
00:10:22And you could be a Royal Irish Regiment soldier
00:10:24for all we know.
00:10:26And this guy over here with the long hair,
00:10:28he's John Cash, don't you sir?
00:10:30Yes, we all know what you could be.
00:10:34He's giving me that look, I am.
00:10:38The sense of humour is very
00:10:40strong in Northern Ireland.
00:10:42You know, having fun in a bar,
00:10:44having crack, because
00:10:46if you were being funny, you didn't have to talk
00:10:48about yourself.
00:10:50Because nobody wanted to answer the question,
00:10:52how are you?
00:10:54Terrifying.
00:10:56Let me take a moment to actually
00:10:58work out how I am.
00:11:02And then there was also that thing of
00:11:04well if I am
00:11:06living, we have to live.
00:11:20I worked
00:11:22on the Shank of Loot.
00:11:24I was one of the butchers.
00:11:28And I remember the UDA
00:11:30coming into the shop on one occasion.
00:11:32They were basically loyalist paramilitaries.
00:11:34And they were asking us to put a poster up
00:11:36to say this shop
00:11:38no longer sells goods from the Irish Republic.
00:11:40But the irony was that
00:11:42these guys were sitting there drinking pints of Guinness
00:11:44with not a shade of
00:11:46hypocrisy about the fact
00:11:48they're drinking probably the Irish Republic's
00:11:50biggest export.
00:11:54And then you had stalls
00:11:56selling counterfeit
00:11:58goods, CDs and
00:12:00whatever else, you know.
00:12:02And all of that money going to support the war
00:12:04against the IRA.
00:12:06Nobody, nobody saying anything
00:12:08about it. It was just
00:12:10normal life.
00:12:18It was almost as though
00:12:20I was oblivious to what was going on around me.
00:12:22And I think the complacency
00:12:24was dangerous.
00:12:26It was complacency
00:12:28on our part as a family
00:12:30that, you know,
00:12:32it meant
00:12:34that my wife
00:12:36and my father-in-law were
00:12:38working in that fish shop
00:12:40on that day.
00:12:42And if somebody had sat down with my father-in-law
00:12:44to say, Desmond,
00:12:46this is a ticking time bomb
00:12:48where you have this shop.
00:12:50Because at some time
00:12:52the IRA are going to come under the road,
00:12:54they're going to attack the UDA
00:12:56and your shop is going to be in the direct line of fire.
00:13:00The staircase to the UDA headquarters
00:13:02was literally right next to
00:13:04the door of the shop.
00:13:06And it wasn't a secret.
00:13:08People knew that's where the UDA had their headquarters.
00:13:21Having difficulty with a mortgage?
00:13:26Once your mortgage is in place
00:13:28we will make that all-important phone call
00:13:30from any phone box in the country.
00:13:34Because when it comes
00:13:36to real estate, nobody shifts property
00:13:38quite like we do.
00:13:42I played clubs on each side
00:13:44of the Peace Wall.
00:13:46They sometimes very much laughed in different places.
00:13:48There was no doubt about that.
00:13:50But it was...
00:13:52I don't know.
00:13:54It was exciting.
00:13:58And then
00:14:00that Saturday...
00:14:02...
00:14:16It was a Saturday.
00:14:20A really, really, really nice day.
00:14:22The sun was shining.
00:14:24It was October
00:14:26so it was cold but it was
00:14:28just really, really nice.
00:14:32So I decided
00:14:34it had been such a nice day,
00:14:36I would take Zoe for a spin
00:14:38on my bike.
00:14:40I thought I would do this
00:14:42and then I would come home
00:14:44and I would watch Football Focus
00:14:46which I did every Saturday morning
00:14:48and we had a VHS recorder,
00:14:50a video recorder.
00:14:52So I asked my wife
00:14:54who was much more tactical than I was
00:14:56if she could set the recorder for me.
00:14:58So she did.
00:15:02I remember
00:15:04the last conversation I had
00:15:06with Sharon was to ask her,
00:15:08did you remember to hit the record button on the video
00:15:10for the football?
00:15:12And she said, oh, I forgot.
00:15:14I forgot to hit the...
00:15:16And I said, oh, come on.
00:15:18Oh, I was angry
00:15:20because I wasn't getting to watch the football
00:15:22so I said, right, I'll just bugger up
00:15:24my Saturday.
00:15:26So she went off and I went off
00:15:28and I did the bike ride.
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00:16:16An IRA bomb in Belfast's
00:16:18Protestant Shankill Road
00:16:20exploded without any warning,
00:16:22killing nine people and injuring another 57.
00:16:24This was mass slaughter
00:16:26exactly as the bombers intended.
00:16:28In the middle of the afternoon,
00:16:30in the middle of a busy Protestant area...
00:16:32The IRA said its aim was to kill
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00:16:38that the planting of the bomb
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00:17:14They asked me then to go to the morgue
00:17:16to identify the body,
00:17:18and I couldn't do it.
00:17:20Just couldn't do it.
00:17:22Didn't want to go.
00:17:24Beth, Sharon's sister, went.
00:17:26I've never even read the coroner's report.
00:17:28Never went to the court case.
00:17:30I just don't want to know.
00:17:32I want to think of her
00:17:34as a beautiful young woman.
00:17:36I don't want to think of her in the bomb.
00:17:38I mean, was she intact?
00:17:40Did she have all her limbs?
00:17:42I just don't want to know.
00:17:44I just don't want to know.
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00:18:34When I got married, my friend actually said to Sharon
00:18:36to make sure you look after him.
00:18:38You know,
00:18:40when I was the man,
00:18:42I should have been looking after her,
00:18:44but I was like a child when I was married.
00:18:46My wife was
00:18:48very strong,
00:18:50and so
00:18:52this woman, who wasn't only my wife
00:18:54and my soul mate, but also
00:18:56the homemaker in our house,
00:18:58the IRA
00:19:00had come onto the road that day,
00:19:02and they'd taken it all.
00:19:04They'd taken it all.
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00:19:12I was...
00:19:14I was in a rage,
00:19:16really, I mean,
00:19:18and I was...
00:19:20You know, the rage never really subsided,
00:19:22and so it became a question
00:19:24then of, well, what do I do with this rage?
00:19:26And then
00:19:28when I'd seen the images
00:19:30of Gerry Adams carrying the coffin
00:19:32of the guy that killed my wife,
00:19:34I directed it at him.
00:19:36The Sinn Fein president,
00:19:38Gerry Adams, helped to carry the coffin
00:19:40of Thomas Begley, the IRA man
00:19:42who was blown up planting the bomb.
00:19:44Thomas Begley was dead,
00:19:46and the other bomber,
00:19:48Sean Kelly,
00:19:50was in prison,
00:19:52and I didn't know who else was involved
00:19:54in the Shankill bomb,
00:19:56but Gerry Adams was given
00:19:58a political cover.
00:20:00He was the president of Sinn Fein.
00:20:02Sinn Fein were the political wing
00:20:04of the IRA,
00:20:06so I suppose, you know,
00:20:08he couldn't really cut them adrift.
00:20:10I think that's very good.
00:20:12Even though he was talking about
00:20:14building peace and reconciliation.
00:20:16We want to see an Ireland which is inclusive.
00:20:18He was still presiding over
00:20:20an organisation that were carrying out
00:20:22attacks against innocent civilians,
00:20:24so it seemed to me that Gerry Adams
00:20:26was speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
00:20:28The peace process in which we are engaged
00:20:30threatens no one.
00:20:32And sometimes, you know,
00:20:34when I'm in my darkest moments,
00:20:36I come very close to hate, you know.
00:20:42While the SDLP leader, John Hume,
00:20:44has been seriously embarrassed,
00:20:46he's still resisting calls
00:20:48for him to end his dialogue
00:20:50with Sinn Fein.
00:20:52He insists that the murders
00:20:54make it more important
00:20:56for him to continue his search
00:20:58for a peace formula.
00:21:00The purpose of the talks
00:21:02is to get a total cessation
00:21:04of violence.
00:21:06And if I can do it,
00:21:08I will do it.
00:21:10And if I can do it by talking
00:21:12and saving human lives by talking,
00:21:14it's my duty to do so.
00:21:20They came in their thousands,
00:21:22the people of Belfast
00:21:24united in grief.
00:21:36We got to the end of that week
00:21:38and we thought,
00:21:40maybe we're through this.
00:21:42You know, maybe
00:21:44the worst thing
00:21:46that's happened this week
00:21:48is those poor people
00:21:50dying on the Shankill Road.
00:21:52But of course,
00:21:54that wasn't the case.
00:21:58That tragedy wasn't
00:22:00the end of the tragedy that week.
00:22:04Greysteel happened a week later.
00:22:06A bar
00:22:08just been sprayed
00:22:10by loyalist paramilitaries
00:22:12in retaliation.
00:22:16UDA gunmen entered the Rising Sun bar
00:22:18in Greysteel and shot dead
00:22:20seven people.
00:22:28Two men came in and said,
00:22:30trick or treat,
00:22:32then sprayed the whole place with bullets.
00:22:36But in between,
00:22:38more people were killed.
00:22:42These are people that are forgotten.
00:22:46These are
00:22:48absolute
00:22:50devastating
00:22:52human tragedies
00:22:54that are just a bit in the middle.
00:22:56The two council workers
00:22:58murdered on Tuesday,
00:23:00were buried after a joint service
00:23:02in West Belfast.
00:23:04One of the supervisors said
00:23:06the attack was an attempt to kill
00:23:08as many Catholics as possible.
00:23:12Last night, there was another attempt
00:23:14at mass murder by loyalists.
00:23:16Two men burst into a bar
00:23:18and were shot dead.
00:23:20Last night, there was another attempt
00:23:22at mass murder by loyalists.
00:23:24Two men burst into a bar,
00:23:26but their machine gun jammed.
00:23:29Everybody knew something was going to happen
00:23:31after the Shankill.
00:23:33So they did, and
00:23:35even though we
00:23:37felt sympathy for the people in the Shankill
00:23:39because there were innocent people that got it too,
00:23:41it doesn't help
00:23:43because it's all innocent people that's getting it.
00:23:49Last night, two brothers were shot dead
00:23:51in front of their 11-year-old sister.
00:23:53Her birthday party had just finished
00:23:55when two gunmen
00:23:57shot her brothers in the living room
00:23:59and shot them both.
00:24:01Nice as lads you could meet
00:24:03no matter where you'd go.
00:24:05They'd done no harm to nobody.
00:24:10If the same proportion of murders
00:24:12were carried out on the mainland of Britain
00:24:14in relation to the population,
00:24:16we'd have had a thousand dead
00:24:18in the past eight days.
00:24:28I, um,
00:24:30I think that week
00:24:32helped
00:24:34to force
00:24:36a change.
00:24:38Sometimes you need to stare into the abyss
00:24:40to realise that
00:24:42that this,
00:24:44this can't,
00:24:46this can't go on.
00:24:48I think that
00:24:50that week
00:24:52helped
00:24:54to force
00:24:57a change.
00:24:59You think it took something like that?
00:25:01It took more than that.
00:25:05It took all the years of it.
00:25:12This was the peace rally in Belfast.
00:25:14It was yet another expression
00:25:16of the yearning for peace.
00:25:18The call for peace
00:25:20was heard at another rally
00:25:22in the wake of last month's massacres.
00:25:24The people of Northern Ireland
00:25:26are delivering a message to the paramilitaries,
00:25:28you know, get off our backs, we don't want you anymore.
00:25:34Enniskillen was gripped
00:25:36by violence six years ago.
00:25:38Today, the townsfolk
00:25:40gathered again,
00:25:42a people divided, joining together
00:25:44to call for an end to the killing.
00:25:46I want peace in our country
00:25:48and I want peace for my children
00:25:50and for my grandchildren.
00:25:55Remember you took part
00:25:57in changing history
00:25:59was how people in Strabane
00:26:01heard they should look back on today.
00:26:03I think people have had enough
00:26:05and just want to show that they've had enough.
00:26:07It's been too many young lives
00:26:09lost,
00:26:11and for what?
00:26:13All we want is peace,
00:26:15to live with each other.
00:26:25You had
00:26:27a population that was war-weary.
00:26:33I was still very, very much
00:26:35a committed Republican.
00:26:37The British government was still
00:26:39a problem,
00:26:41and their presence in their army in Ireland
00:26:43was still a problem.
00:26:45The British government
00:26:47was still a problem,
00:26:49and their presence in their army in Ireland
00:26:51was still a problem.
00:26:54But
00:26:56as far back as
00:26:581981, people
00:27:00in leadership positions
00:27:02were beginning to think
00:27:04this armed struggle tactic isn't
00:27:06going to work.
00:27:08There was
00:27:10always a hard core of Republicans
00:27:12who held out and said
00:27:14we're supporting the struggle anyway.
00:27:16But there was a realisation
00:27:18there was people beginning to think
00:27:20it's not so sure about it anymore.
00:27:23It's not going to achieve anything.
00:27:27There was a momentum
00:27:29building that politics
00:27:31would be a far better way
00:27:33to bring about a united
00:27:35Ireland.
00:27:37So it seemed
00:27:39to me that it was
00:27:41a clear choice between
00:27:43armed struggle
00:27:45and peace.
00:27:47It was as pure
00:27:49and as simple as that for me,
00:27:51and I went for the peace.
00:27:53I went for peace.
00:28:01After 25 years of violence,
00:28:03the IRA has announced
00:28:05a ceasefire which will start
00:28:07at midnight tonight.
00:28:12The Republican movement hopes
00:28:14that it can now achieve by negotiation
00:28:16what it couldn't get by the gun.
00:28:18But is it truly the beginning
00:28:21of peace?
00:28:39We offer to the loved ones
00:28:41of all innocent victims
00:28:43over the past 25 years
00:28:45abject and true
00:28:47remorse the combined
00:28:49loyalist military command
00:28:51will universally cease all
00:28:53operational hostilities
00:28:55as from 12 midnight.
00:29:02Any ceasefires that happened
00:29:04I was never over
00:29:06confident that they would
00:29:08lead to a permanent ceasefire.
00:29:10I was always hopeful but not
00:29:12over hopeful because I knew
00:29:14that something would happen.
00:29:20A lot of these people
00:29:22in the paramilitaries, I mean the psychopaths
00:29:24they enjoy killing for killing's sake
00:29:26and you take that away from them,
00:29:28what have they got, you know what I mean?
00:29:30They live for killing and all that madness.
00:29:32Seven days after the loyalist
00:29:34paramilitary ceasefire
00:29:36Northern Ireland is at peace.
00:29:38This means we can
00:29:40move carefully towards
00:29:42the beginning of dialogue
00:29:44between Sinn Féin and the government.
00:29:46Tomorrow morning's front pages
00:29:48Major agrees to talks with Sinn Féin
00:29:50in the Telegraph, Major pledge
00:29:52of peace talks by Christmas in the Times,
00:29:54Major paves way for start of talks
00:29:56with Sinn Féin in the Financial Times
00:29:58and The Sun has more news
00:30:00of Prince Charles'
00:30:02private life.
00:30:06I just felt
00:30:08it made us very vulnerable.
00:30:10Compromising with the IRA
00:30:12like come on, you know
00:30:14this is not stand stronger.
00:30:18I thought they hated
00:30:20us Protestants.
00:30:22They hated us being there.
00:30:24They hated everything
00:30:26about us.
00:30:30What happened on the Shanker Road
00:30:32bomb, it's just horrific.
00:30:36Is that not
00:30:38carry forward?
00:30:40You know, just
00:30:42I don't know.
00:30:45You know,
00:30:47you can't try to destroy a country
00:30:49and then turn around
00:30:51and go, oh, by the way
00:30:53we're the people for peace.
00:30:55At the rally, a tickler
00:30:57called out, bring back the IRA.
00:30:59They haven't gone away, you know.
00:31:05Is Sinn Féin
00:31:07and the IRA very linked to you?
00:31:09Absolutely, one and the same.
00:31:11They are not different, one and the same.
00:31:13You can't say one, you may as well say the other.
00:31:18Yeah.
00:31:20If Gerry Adams was expecting
00:31:22a hero's welcome after his visit
00:31:24to the United States, he would have been
00:31:26sorely disappointed.
00:31:28Up to 40 protesters
00:31:30were waiting for him.
00:31:32Amongst those there was
00:31:34Alan McBride, who lost his wife
00:31:36in the Shankill bomb.
00:31:38He justified the existence
00:31:40of the provost, of Sinn Féin,
00:31:42of the IRA, claiming that they were fighting
00:31:44for a just and lasting peace.
00:31:46Well, I'm sorry, but I don't see how my wife's murder
00:31:48helped IRA Sinn Féin
00:31:50achieve peace.
00:31:52It's hypocrisy. Gerry Adams is a hypocrite.
00:31:56Wherever Gerry Adams was,
00:31:58I just wanted to confront him.
00:32:02I just wanted him to know
00:32:04what he'd done, the hurt that he'd caused.
00:32:08Then I started writing to him.
00:32:10This week,
00:32:12Mr Adams,
00:32:14I should
00:32:16have been celebrating
00:32:18my wife's birthday.
00:32:20Instead,
00:32:22I find myself...
00:32:24I wrote to him a good few times.
00:32:28And I sent him photographs
00:32:30of Sian.
00:32:34I just wanted him to know who she was.
00:32:36You know,
00:32:38I didn't want there to be a number,
00:32:40you know, just whatever it was,
00:32:423,700-odd people murdered.
00:32:46There's a Mr McBride on the line.
00:32:48Hello, sir. Hello.
00:32:50Hello, how are you doing?
00:32:52I remember phoning into
00:32:54a telephone phone-in thing
00:32:56that he was on, and I basically
00:32:58just asked him a question about the Shankill bomb.
00:33:00That's good, Mr McBride.
00:33:02You can actually see him
00:33:04physically take a breath
00:33:06before he answered me.
00:33:10Sinn Fein
00:33:12accepts and realises
00:33:14that all of these actions
00:33:16diminish every single one of us.
00:33:18And we want an end to it.
00:33:20We ourselves have seen our children killed.
00:33:22And we want to see it all
00:33:24ended.
00:33:26You're a victim. Are you Alan McBride?
00:33:28I am indeed.
00:33:30I can only attempt
00:33:32to comprehend the grief
00:33:34that you have been going through.
00:33:36You have no idea what it's like.
00:33:38Well, I think I can try to.
00:33:40You and I and everyone else in this situation,
00:33:42all the people who have buried
00:33:44wives and husbands and children,
00:33:46and let us all move forward
00:33:48towards a peaceful situation in our country.
00:33:50All right.
00:33:52Thank you very much for that.
00:33:54I know I remember about that.
00:33:56I remember being cut off
00:33:58and being raging
00:34:00by Talkback,
00:34:02that they cut me off.
00:34:04And they let him have the last word.
00:34:06You know, I'd been phoning Sinn Fein offices
00:34:08for weeks before this
00:34:10and never got through to him.
00:34:12Always telling me he was busy or he was out of the office
00:34:14or he, you know.
00:34:16And then he got through to him.
00:34:18Is that the first time you've spoken to him?
00:34:20Yeah. And then Talkback cut me off
00:34:22because it's coming up to the news.
00:34:24I mean, fucking news.
00:34:26The news could wait two minutes.
00:34:28And then they ask us man questions.
00:34:30And I'm actually...
00:34:32I'm actually getting annoyed
00:34:34as I watched it
00:34:36and as I think about it
00:34:38and I see his reaction back then.
00:34:42I just remember where I was.
00:34:44I just remember who I was.
00:34:46I remember the anger that I had.
00:34:58I mean, it was difficult.
00:35:00In those early days, it was just difficult.
00:35:28The history of Northern Ireland
00:35:30has been written in the blood
00:35:32of its children and their parents.
00:35:36The ceasefire turned the page
00:35:38on that history.
00:35:40It must not be allowed to turn back.
00:35:48Let it be our dream.
00:35:50And it's a dream that we will achieve
00:35:52with the powerful assistance
00:35:54of the president and his administration.
00:35:56That dream is that there will be
00:35:58no killing in our streets.
00:36:00Thank you, Mr. President.
00:36:06Blessed
00:36:08are the peacemakers
00:36:10for they shall inherit
00:36:12the earth.
00:36:14Merry Christmas and God bless you all.
00:36:16CHEERING
00:36:24The main feeling about all of that was
00:36:26can it possibly be real?
00:36:30When the talks began
00:36:32there was a quiet determination
00:36:34to make them work.
00:36:40The British and Irish governments
00:36:42nationalists, unionists
00:36:44all round the same negotiating table.
00:36:48There's quite a few false
00:36:50stones and you know there was a built-in
00:36:52realism, a built-in
00:36:54pessimism.
00:36:56And then you had
00:36:58the bombing at Canary Wharf.
00:37:02The IRA's decision to end the ceasefire
00:37:04has put the whole peace process
00:37:06in serious jeopardy.
00:37:08The government's message continues
00:37:10to be no ceasefire,
00:37:12no talks.
00:37:14The explosion ripped
00:37:16through the centre of Manchester
00:37:18injuring around 200 people.
00:37:22So there were still
00:37:24terrible things going on
00:37:28and that's why it was so
00:37:30stop start, that's why
00:37:32a lot of people weren't happy.
00:37:38The mood is unruly
00:37:40and defiant with loyalists
00:37:42causing disruption and trouble.
00:37:48The expectations were very low
00:37:50and yet
00:37:52you did have that
00:37:54sense that the right people
00:37:56who could make a deal were there.
00:38:06Terrorism, Republican
00:38:08or so-called loyalism
00:38:10is contemptible and unacceptable.
00:38:14I am prepared to meet Sinn Fé
00:38:16provided events on the ground
00:38:18do not make that
00:38:20impossible.
00:38:32An historic agreement for peace
00:38:34in Northern Ireland has been reached
00:38:36within the past few minutes.
00:38:38We can see pictures now from Stormont
00:38:40where the leaders of the eight parties
00:38:42together with the Prime Ministers
00:38:44of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland
00:38:46are announcing details
00:38:48of an agreement which is intended
00:38:50to end nearly 30 years
00:38:52of conflict and which have cost
00:38:54more than 3,000 lives.
00:39:00I can show you the agreement itself.
00:39:02I've just been handed this copy.
00:39:04This agreement will be going to
00:39:06every house in Northern Ireland
00:39:08so the people can judge for themselves
00:39:10whether this is an agreement which in the referendum
00:39:12they will give their crucial and essential
00:39:14assent to.
00:39:16Do you remember the night
00:39:18that they announced it?
00:39:20Yeah.
00:39:22Yeah, I remember.
00:39:24I was filming a TV show at Shepparton,
00:39:26Shepparton Studios. I was working in England
00:39:28and had gone over to work.
00:39:34CHEERING
00:39:42But no one
00:39:44in London was really...
00:39:48You know, they thought, well, that's nice.
00:39:50And you're going, yeah,
00:39:52it's lovely.
00:39:54Nobody cared.
00:39:58And they didn't really see this place
00:40:00as in any way relevant
00:40:02to their lives.
00:40:04CHEERING
00:40:06OK, through our sift, we have tonight's jackpot game.
00:40:08Here we go, guys.
00:40:20I remember going to my dressing room
00:40:22and I just, I was crying.
00:40:24I didn't want to let anybody else know I was crying.
00:40:26I wasn't crying because I was happy.
00:40:32I was crying because of...
00:40:38of what was lost.
00:40:44Now looking back
00:40:46on it all, I realise that
00:40:48all of that loss
00:40:52brought people to a place where
00:40:54they had to make the peace.
00:40:56I couldn't see that at the time.
00:40:58Yeah, but loss is still loss, you know.
00:41:04The agreement proposes changes
00:41:06in the Irish Constitution
00:41:08and in British constitutional law
00:41:10to enshrine the principle
00:41:12that it is the people of Northern Ireland
00:41:14who will decide
00:41:16democratically their own future.
00:41:24If this is the future
00:41:27If this agreement is approved
00:41:29in referendums north and south
00:41:31it offers the chance
00:41:33for a better future.
00:41:37For the first time since the agreement was approved
00:41:39the leader of unionism
00:41:41joined forces for a yes
00:41:43with the leader of nationalism.
00:41:47The details of this agreement
00:41:49are really pretty amazing, aren't they?
00:41:51They're carefully balanced
00:41:53to give every party
00:41:55there something that they can
00:41:57use now to sell this to their followers
00:41:59because all the political leaders
00:42:01will find hardliners in their own causes
00:42:03who will say, you have sold out,
00:42:05you should have got us a better deal than this.
00:42:09But there is something carefully balanced
00:42:11there for everybody.
00:42:13Something for the Ulster Unionists,
00:42:15something for Sinn Féin.
00:42:20You know, I wasn't totally for
00:42:22the peace process.
00:42:24I was sceptical.
00:42:30The Republican movement was my life.
00:42:36You know, the struggle was my life.
00:42:42The agreement states
00:42:44all paramilitary groups will have to
00:42:46decommission illegal arms.
00:42:50It's like, well, putting your hands up
00:42:52that's the way I was feeling.
00:42:54Like surrender?
00:42:56It's like a surrender, you know.
00:43:00But the more you sort of,
00:43:02you know, you maybe talk to other Republicans
00:43:04and stuff like that,
00:43:06you go away and you think,
00:43:08maybe this is a way forward.
00:43:10The war, the bombings and the shooting
00:43:12and stuff,
00:43:14but the fighting still goes on,
00:43:16but in a different approach.
00:43:18You know, we'll still be fighting
00:43:20for a united Ireland.
00:43:24You're prepared to accept
00:43:26a halfway house to a united Ireland.
00:43:28The answer tomorrow for the people of Northern Ireland
00:43:30will be no to Gerry Adams
00:43:32and Norwin,
00:43:34no surrender to the enemies of Ulster.
00:43:36The no camp
00:43:38pushing its message hard.
00:43:40The time has come
00:43:42for the ordinary man
00:43:44in Ulster
00:43:46to give his verdict
00:43:48on this pernicious
00:43:50agreement.
00:43:52Ulster needs to say
00:43:54no and no
00:43:56surrender.
00:44:02The people were asked, quite simply,
00:44:04to say yes or no to the peace accord
00:44:06and they came out in record numbers.
00:44:08The turnout is estimated to be
00:44:10a massive 80 to 81%.
00:44:14We'll bring you the result in a special
00:44:16programme later this afternoon.
00:44:26We were coming from our holidays
00:44:28with a caravan, a towing caravan
00:44:32and it came on the radio
00:44:34and I remember I was driving,
00:44:36I got out and just busted
00:44:38into tears and cried
00:44:40unconsolably.
00:44:42Yes,
00:44:4471.12%.
00:44:50I just fucking erupted.
00:44:54Much to the dismay of my children.
00:44:56They probably thought, now daddy has lost his fucking mind
00:44:58altogether.
00:45:00We suspected he was sort of on the edge
00:45:02but now he's finally flipped.
00:45:04There was hope, finally there was hope.
00:45:10I do not have
00:45:12all the answers
00:45:14but I know that the more people that learn
00:45:16that talking's better than
00:45:18shooting, that can only be a good
00:45:20thing, that can only be a positive thing.
00:45:22On this extraordinary
00:45:24day, people took time off
00:45:26to witness history being made.
00:45:28Yes, 71%.
00:45:36I just remember that day
00:45:38just thinking, oh my god, there's an end
00:45:40to this, we've finally got
00:45:42to somewhere and let me tell you
00:45:44the shouting and the cheering
00:45:46and the yo-hoing that was going on
00:45:48and everybody beating their horns.
00:45:52There was like this feeling of
00:45:54euphoria.
00:45:56Yes, campaigners
00:45:58taunted the unionists who had spearheaded
00:46:00the No campaign, but the
00:46:02DUP leader, Ian Paisley, insisted
00:46:04the majority of unionists were on
00:46:06his side.
00:46:12I mean, I honestly
00:46:14just
00:46:16I don't know
00:46:18what to say.
00:46:20I don't know what to say.
00:46:22I don't know what to say.
00:46:24Honestly, I just
00:46:26I wasn't
00:46:28in favour of it.
00:46:30You know, no.
00:46:34No.
00:46:42To me, it's just a horrible time.
00:46:44It was a horrible time,
00:46:46you know, and it was
00:46:48a fearful time because you didn't know what was going to happen.
00:46:54CHEERING
00:46:56The final batch
00:46:58of paramilitary prisoners has been released
00:47:00from the Mays prison as part of the
00:47:02Good Friday Peace Agreement.
00:47:04They include loyalist
00:47:06gunmen involved in the murder of seven people
00:47:08in a pub at Greysteel.
00:47:14I just felt like
00:47:16letting prisoners out
00:47:18who had caused
00:47:20so much harm and hurt and pain
00:47:22and loss
00:47:24you know, to do what?
00:47:26You know, run the streets again?
00:47:28Terrorise people again?
00:47:30I mean, it can't be peace
00:47:32at any cost, you know?
00:47:34Because then it's not really peace.
00:47:36You know?
00:47:38CHEERING
00:47:4246 IRA prisoners were released
00:47:44including Sean Kelly.
00:47:46He was one of two men
00:47:48who placed a bomb in a fish shop
00:47:50on the Shankill Road in Belfast.
00:47:54Like many of the other
00:47:56mass murderers to be freed early,
00:47:58he served only a fraction of his life sentence.
00:48:12What's weird for you, I guess,
00:48:14is that Sean Kelly is living in your town.
00:48:16I mean, you could bump into him.
00:48:18Often.
00:48:20Yeah, several times.
00:48:22Yeah.
00:48:24Yeah, and it has never been
00:48:26a pleasant experience, to be honest with you.
00:48:28And when I've seen him,
00:48:30I've just turned and walked away.
00:48:32And I can remember the first time it happened,
00:48:34it was when the new
00:48:36Asda opened
00:48:38at Yorkgate,
00:48:40George at Asda.
00:48:42And there he was.
00:48:44And I just turned and walked away.
00:48:46And I can remember thinking later,
00:48:48being ashamed
00:48:50of myself for walking away,
00:48:52because I didn't do anything.
00:48:54My wife
00:48:56was murdered by this guy,
00:48:58and it was him that should have been walking away.
00:49:00And I suppose it was just the fact
00:49:02that he could live a life,
00:49:04he could live an ordinary life,
00:49:06and of course he's going to live an ordinary life.
00:49:08He's released from prison,
00:49:10and I voted in the Good Friday Agreement.
00:49:12I allowed him to be out of prison.
00:49:14And I knew that he was getting his liberty.
00:49:16So all those things were going through my head.
00:49:18All those things were going through my head.
00:49:28In spite of the fact that
00:49:30these people were released from prison early,
00:49:36we need to give our children a fighting chance
00:49:38of making a life for themselves here.
00:49:40And if we don't,
00:49:42it's subjecting the society
00:49:44for more of the same.
00:49:54And I didn't want any other family
00:49:56to go through any of that.
00:50:40I really only have two points
00:50:42to make today.
00:50:44The first is,
00:50:46you have come a long way
00:50:48since 1995
00:50:50when I was here the last time.
00:50:56The second point
00:50:58I want to make to you is that
00:51:00while you have come a very long way,
00:51:02you and I know
00:51:04that this peace process is not complete.
00:51:06People on both sides
00:51:08still have concerns
00:51:10and fears
00:51:12and frustrations.
00:51:18All summer it's gone on,
00:51:20according to the Belfast police commander,
00:51:22the most intense and sustained disturbances
00:51:24in 20 years.
00:51:28The peace holds,
00:51:30but the old hatreds
00:51:32are never far away.
00:51:34The old hatreds are never far away.
00:51:48I remember going to a conference
00:51:50and it said,
00:51:52peace is tough.
00:51:54And I remember thinking,
00:51:56peace is tough.
00:51:58Because to me, your peace should be easy.
00:52:00All right there?
00:52:02What's the crack?
00:52:08It was only at that point in time,
00:52:10around 2001,
00:52:12that I began to think about
00:52:14my story in the context of forgiveness.
00:52:16Call me naive,
00:52:18call me whatever,
00:52:20but it's worked for me.
00:52:30On the weeks and months
00:52:32that followed police Sunday,
00:52:34everybody was angry.
00:52:40I was at primary school
00:52:42and
00:52:44there was an army
00:52:46lookout post
00:52:48positioned at the bottom of the school playground.
00:52:52And as I ran past it,
00:52:54I was about 10 feet away from it.
00:52:56A soldier fired a rubber bullet.
00:53:00It hit me here in the bridge of the nose.
00:53:06I woke up in the ambulance.
00:53:10I can remember my daddy was holding my hand
00:53:12and he kept saying,
00:53:14you'll be all right Richard, you'll be okay.
00:53:16And then that was me, I went to hospital.
00:53:26I thought it was the bandages
00:53:30that were preventing me from seeing,
00:53:32you know, the bandages on my eyes.
00:53:34But it was about a month
00:53:36after I was shot,
00:53:38I was out at home
00:53:40and my brother Noel said to me,
00:53:42do you know what has happened?
00:53:44And I said, yes, I knew I was shot.
00:53:46He said, do you know what damage was done?
00:53:48And I said, no.
00:53:50And that's when he told me that I'd be blamed for the rest of my life.
00:53:52And to be honest,
00:53:54I took it my straight that day
00:53:58until I went to bed that night.
00:54:00And when I was in bed that night,
00:54:02I cried.
00:54:06And I cried because I realised for the first time
00:54:10that I was never going to see my mammy and daddy again.
00:54:20I was hit with a rubber bullet.
00:54:22I was coming up from school,
00:54:24up a field beside the school.
00:54:26I got 54 stitches in the fist.
00:54:30I was only in a hospital for two weeks.
00:54:32He was just standing beside the gunman.
00:54:34When I was shot,
00:54:36the gunman was about
00:54:38ten yards away from me.
00:54:42I used to think
00:54:44there's no way that
00:54:46a soldier set out to blame me.
00:54:48When I found out his name,
00:54:50I wrote to him
00:54:52and said,
00:54:54I would love to meet you sometime.
00:55:04When I did meet him,
00:55:06it was kind of nerve-wracking.
00:55:08It was kind of nerve-wracking, you know.
00:55:18When me and Charles got talking,
00:55:20I said to him,
00:55:22look Charles,
00:55:24I'm not here to be confrontational.
00:55:28I'm here to let you know that I forgive you.
00:55:32And Charles thanked me for that
00:55:34and he said, well Richard,
00:55:38when I made the decision
00:55:40to fire the rubber bullet,
00:55:42I felt I made it for the right reasons.
00:55:46He said that he felt justified
00:55:50and that he never felt guilty.
00:55:54And
00:55:56I remember thinking
00:55:58this is not who I wanted it to be.
00:56:02I wanted it just to be a bit more
00:56:04sort of, I suppose like
00:56:06mulls and boons, you know,
00:56:08more nicer than this.
00:56:10I didn't think it was achieving
00:56:12what I envisaged.
00:56:18But I,
00:56:20you know,
00:56:24I accepted it.
00:56:26If we want reconciliation,
00:56:28you can't
00:56:30meet the person
00:56:32that you would like to meet.
00:56:34You've got to meet them
00:56:36for who they are.
00:56:38Yes Charles,
00:56:40is that alright?
00:56:42Lots of crack?
00:56:44Beautiful day, the sun is shining.
00:56:46I was about to say,
00:56:48the sun always shines when you're here.
00:56:50It's a beautiful day.
00:56:52It's a beautiful day.
00:56:54I was about to say,
00:56:56the sun always shines when you're here, Charles.
00:56:58That's true.
00:57:00I can nail Charles
00:57:02the cross
00:57:04and it's not going to make
00:57:06one difference to my life.
00:57:08It's not going to give me
00:57:10back my eyesight
00:57:12and it's not going to make me
00:57:14any happier.
00:57:16I appreciate that, it's great.
00:57:18You're always very good like that.
00:57:20We've got to try and see each other
00:57:22but what has
00:57:24made me happy
00:57:26is beginning to try
00:57:28and find a way
00:57:30that me and Charles could become friends.
00:57:36Here we go, this is us now
00:57:38walking onto the school football pitch.
00:57:42So this is the area here
00:57:44where I was when I was shot
00:57:46and Charles would have been down,
00:57:48there would have been a singer down there somewhere.
00:57:50We're as close as we're going to get
00:57:52where you and I first met.
00:58:02Is it difficult for you
00:58:04Charles coming to this spot?
00:58:06No, not at all, not in the slightest.
00:58:10It's where it happened
00:58:12and that's a fact
00:58:14and that's the reality.
00:58:16Not difficult at all.
00:58:20Um...
00:58:22Yeah...
00:58:36Charles, you alright?
00:58:38Yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
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00:58:48The police station
00:58:50was in one of the toughest areas.
00:58:54Some of the users got hold of a scaffolding pole
00:58:56and they were actually trying to
00:58:58sort of skewer the soldier inside.
00:59:02I then fired a rubber bullet
00:59:04at them.
00:59:06As I fired it,
00:59:08Richard came
00:59:10straight across in front.
00:59:12The sadness
00:59:14and the regret and wishing
00:59:16I'd not done it,
00:59:18that stayed with me for years.
00:59:24But the reason I didn't apologise
00:59:26was if I'm
00:59:28saying sorry, I therefore accept
00:59:30guilt, um, that I
00:59:32was, my intention
00:59:34was to cause a terrible
00:59:36trauma, which it never was,
00:59:38therefore there's no point in saying sorry.
00:59:40Um, and, um,
00:59:42the, um...
00:59:44It's quite a position.
00:59:46Yeah, but then, then I thought,
00:59:48you know, OK, um,
00:59:50look at it another way, say sorry.
00:59:52So I did.
00:59:54I, I think the bottom line
00:59:56is, is incredibly simple.
00:59:58Out of something that was absolutely
01:00:00horrific, um,
01:00:02goodness has come.
01:00:04But then, as I've said before,
01:00:06and I say it any time, uh,
01:00:08Richard is a truly amazing man,
01:00:10um, in my book.
01:00:14George, we'll walk towards the car.
01:00:16Yeah. Yeah, you go the wrong way. We'll walk towards the car,
01:00:18Charles? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
01:00:22It's a blind lead and a blind hit, eh, Charles?
01:00:24Come on.
01:00:26You know, some people
01:00:28said to me
01:00:30that I shouldn't have met them until
01:00:32I'd apologised.
01:00:34If I had have done that,
01:00:36then me and Charles'
01:00:38journey would have never begun.
01:00:42But finding out who he was
01:00:44does change everything.
01:00:46He's no longer a soldier.
01:00:48He's a human being.
01:00:50He's a father.
01:00:52He's a grandfather.
01:00:54You know, it makes a person very real.
01:00:56And I think
01:00:58that's a good thing.
01:01:10Peace is tough.
01:01:14But we've got to keep working at it.
01:01:20You never know where it's going to lead to.
01:01:26Yeah.
01:01:38I just feel really angry
01:01:40that so many people
01:01:42in this part of Ireland
01:01:44had to suffer
01:01:46the shit that they did.
01:01:50Should it be Catholic, Protestant,
01:01:52policemen, soldiers,
01:01:54everything in between.
01:02:00And I'm not a victim of the troubles.
01:02:04I survived the fucking troubles
01:02:06and I survived all the shit that was going with it.
01:02:10We all have it in us
01:02:12for a wee bit of change,
01:02:14and some have it in us
01:02:16for a big bit of change.
01:02:18And it's astonishing
01:02:20what you can learn
01:02:22when you just open your ears
01:02:24and you drop the
01:02:26drop the guard a wee bit
01:02:28and let the old
01:02:30style of thinking
01:02:32go.
01:02:48When I think about it,
01:02:50there's just been so much.
01:02:52And I think sometimes
01:02:54you just need to take a step back
01:02:56and think about all the twists and turns, you know.
01:03:02And I'm your grandfather.
01:03:12So we turned 30 last year.
01:03:18Sian was killed when she was 29.
01:03:22And I think I realised
01:03:24for the first time just how young
01:03:26Sian was when she was killed.
01:03:28Yeah.
01:03:30You OK, babe?
01:03:32OK.
01:03:34But it
01:03:36would do nobody any good
01:03:38if I was to hold on
01:03:40to the hurt and the pain and the anger.
01:03:44Look. Look at the ducks.
01:03:46Look at the ducks.
01:03:50And, you know, I desperately
01:03:52want the latter years
01:03:54of my life
01:03:56to be
01:03:58better than the
01:04:00former years.
01:04:02Growing up in a divided society,
01:04:04growing up with
01:04:06hostility, growing up with
01:04:08a fear that your father could be
01:04:10shot dead,
01:04:12growing up
01:04:14that, you know, there are certain roads
01:04:16that you can't walk down because
01:04:18you might be attacked.
01:04:22Who wants to live
01:04:24like that, you know?
01:04:26Nobody.
01:04:28Nobody.
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