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00:00:00In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Peace be upon you.
00:00:18Welcome to Bakhabar Sawera.
00:00:20We start our show at 9 in the morning.
00:00:23This show continues for two hours.
00:00:25We try our best to bring to you what you want to hear and what you want to know.
00:00:29So that you can watch our segments accordingly.
00:00:31So here with me is a respected personality.
00:00:33Thank you so much.
00:00:35Ashfaq Saad Satti.
00:00:37I am Sadaf Abdul Jabbar.
00:00:39We were talking a while ago about how the weather is changing.
00:00:43In Karachi, the weather is not as cold as it is here.
00:00:47But here people have a lot of coughs and colds.
00:00:51So we were talking about vaccination.
00:00:55How important it is in September and October.
00:00:57People who have allergies and have a slight cold.
00:01:03They should get flu shots in September.
00:01:07Secondly, the elderly people in your house.
00:01:11The ones that have crossed 60.
00:01:13You should not call them elderly after 60.
00:01:17Let's say 70s.
00:01:19No, but after 60, you should get flu shots every year.
00:01:23Everyone should get them.
00:01:25Secondly, the pneumonia vaccine should be given to the elderly.
00:01:31Or to the people who have crossed 60.
00:01:33So that their effectiveness remains the same.
00:01:37So that there is no extra load on their lungs.
00:01:39So that there is no extra load on their lungs.
00:01:41And this 5-year pneumonia injection gives coverage.
00:01:43So it's very important to take care.
00:01:45And to know everything about everything.
00:01:47Not by yourself.
00:01:49Consult with a doctor.
00:01:51The doctor you trust.
00:01:53Don't try it at home.
00:01:55Consult with a doctor.
00:01:57But do check this out.
00:01:59What is this?
00:02:01Why is this?
00:02:03Because this is very important.
00:02:05The pollution we are living in.
00:02:07So it's better to be careful.
00:02:09One more thing I was going to mention.
00:02:11Israel's war is about to start in October.
00:02:13And we have to be very careful.
00:02:15And we have to be very careful.
00:02:17And we have to be very careful.
00:02:19Israel's war is about to start in October.
00:02:21Israel's war is about to start in October.
00:02:23And we were talking about it.
00:02:25And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:27And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:29And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:31And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:33And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:35And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:37And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:39And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:41And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:43And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:45And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:47And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:49And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:51And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:53And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:55And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:57And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:02:59And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:03:01And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:03:03And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:03:05And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:03:07And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:03:09And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:03:11And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:03:13And now Lebanon is also becoming a war zone.
00:03:15And now we see that the raw dacoits
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00:08:23What's the recovery ratio?
00:08:25What happens if they come back?
00:08:27Can you tell us the ratio around the year?
00:08:31They come back
00:08:33The one who can afford it, he comes back
00:08:35And if it is a son of a big family
00:08:37The police will be there
00:08:39They'll manage things
00:08:41They'll collect donations
00:08:43The debt will be paid
00:08:45And the common people
00:08:47Will ask for the money
00:08:49And the one who can afford it
00:08:51and when the deal is done, they get the money and leave.
00:08:55Is it possible that...
00:08:57Lala, we are not accusing anyone,
00:08:59but is it possible that the commission is not working?
00:09:03It is possible.
00:09:04I keep saying this in your program,
00:09:06that the chiefs are involved here,
00:09:08the police officers are involved here,
00:09:10and all the powerful people are involved here
00:09:13who are stakeholders in this area.
00:09:16They have occupied millions of acres of land in this area.
00:09:20They are all stakeholders.
00:09:22Lala, there is one more thing.
00:09:24When we talk about dacoits,
00:09:27and the claims that they are hiding,
00:09:29they are not getting a place to hide,
00:09:31they are scared,
00:09:32these kinds of terms are used.
00:09:34But here, the way people are trapped with creative thinking,
00:09:38think about it,
00:09:39they are made to live here,
00:09:41they have to talk for many days,
00:09:43especially honey traps,
00:09:45they are taken care of,
00:09:47investigated,
00:09:48then they are called,
00:09:49then they are kept,
00:09:50food, drink, everything.
00:09:51This means that they are not in a hurry,
00:09:53nor are they afraid of being caught so easily.
00:09:57So this is a very organized network.
00:10:02Yes, Usman.
00:10:03The area they live in is a no-go area.
00:10:06And their life there is like that of the wild and ignorant people.
00:10:10There is no special life there.
00:10:13They live under trees,
00:10:16and their houses are bare,
00:10:19because whenever the police or the rangers come there,
00:10:22they set fire to those houses,
00:10:24the footage you are running.
00:10:26So they don't have a set-up in one place.
00:10:28They keep wandering in the jungle in different areas.
00:10:31If they know that there is going to be a surgical operation in this area,
00:10:35they go to another area from that area.
00:10:38The cattle there are kept in pits.
00:10:40There is a pit of 20 feet in the ground.
00:10:43They go down the stairs,
00:10:45and the stairs are removed.
00:10:47They have to drink urine and eat food there.
00:10:50And until they are released, they will stay in that pit.
00:10:53So this is the life there.
00:10:55And this kind of life,
00:10:57the poor people of Sindh, Punjab, KP, and Balochistan,
00:11:01are in a state of greed.
00:11:04There are such bad conditions.
00:11:06Tell us so many details.
00:11:08Whenever we become a part of this operation,
00:11:11we see a lot of problems.
00:11:13Now we will do this, now we will do that.
00:11:16Tell me, when we call it a no-go area,
00:11:19are there no mobile signals here?
00:11:22Is there no trace here?
00:11:24Is there no surveillance here?
00:11:26The police have a lot of weapons.
00:11:28There is a lot of equipment and technology.
00:11:31What do they say?
00:11:33Why can't they go inside this area?
00:11:36Look, all the stakeholders are in contact with them.
00:11:41They are in contact with the police officers.
00:11:43They talk to them frequently on the phone.
00:11:45They keep their demands.
00:11:47Now they have become more modern.
00:11:49They have created social media platforms and YouTube channels.
00:11:53And apart from that, the weak police officers,
00:11:56that is, if there is a weak SSP in the area,
00:11:59and they don't have the capability to manage things,
00:12:03and they don't have a fighter,
00:12:05then they get their own SHOs installed in their areas.
00:12:09This is what is happening here.
00:12:12And our government is sleeping.
00:12:14The Sindh government is sleeping.
00:12:16The Punjab government is sleeping.
00:12:18The federal government is sleeping.
00:12:20The real thing is that the will is not visible.
00:12:23Because when there can be operations in remote areas,
00:12:26there can be a lot of work here.
00:12:28You see, tracing the phone, tracing the IP,
00:12:31what kind of difficult work is this?
00:12:33It is not possible that the SIMs that are being used there
00:12:35cannot be traced.
00:12:37Or now surveillance has become easier with the help of drone technology.
00:12:40No, Maghvi is being used a lot there.
00:12:42Maghvi, yes.
00:12:43So why don't the police go there?
00:12:44No, Maghvi is taken from one place to another.
00:12:46They don't go there in terms.
00:12:48But it seems that the will is not visible.
00:12:52150 people have made the entire state a mess.
00:12:56And we are repeatedly told that
00:12:58the operation is a huge operation.
00:13:01That is why it is not possible against 150 people.
00:13:03Because a large number of people live inside.
00:13:05They will be affected.
00:13:07You did the Sawat operation.
00:13:09You announced that the rest of the people should leave.
00:13:12The criminals will fight them.
00:13:14So you fought the Taliban.
00:13:16You did the Sawat operation successfully.
00:13:18So why can't it be done here?
00:13:20You announce that whoever leaves inside,
00:13:22people should be cleaned for a while.
00:13:24After that, leave the people again.
00:13:26150 people have made the entire state a mess.
00:13:29Now the time has come for the police,
00:13:32and especially the government,
00:13:34to take help from the Pak Army.
00:13:36So that the Pak Army can operate here.
00:13:38And after that,
00:13:40to clean this area from such miscreants.
00:13:43Now this is actually happening
00:13:45because of political interests.
00:13:47The Pak Army is not being called here
00:13:49to come and operate here.
00:13:51And you know the reasons for this.
00:13:53The leaders who live here,
00:13:55who support the governments,
00:13:57they are dependent on them.
00:13:59The nexus will be broken.
00:14:01Yes, it will be broken.
00:14:03Thank you so much, Lala Satpathan.
00:14:05The whole economy is going on because of this.
00:14:07Thank you so much, Lala Satpathan,
00:14:09for being with us.
00:14:11And the problem is,
00:14:13we keep raising this issue from our platform,
00:14:15but what is the seriousness on this?
00:14:17That is also in front of you,
00:14:19that every time it is said that
00:14:21now the operation will be decided.
00:14:23Let's talk about the weather.
00:14:25What is the weather like?
00:14:27There is a lot of heat these days.
00:14:29And it is very hot.
00:14:31I don't know why,
00:14:33but I remember the issue of eggs.
00:14:35Even in such hot weather,
00:14:37eggs cost Rs. 300 to Rs. 350.
00:14:39So I am surprised.
00:14:41Chicken is so expensive.
00:14:43Chicken consumption is different,
00:14:45but we normally relate eggs to cold and heat.
00:14:47It has nothing to do with the weather.
00:14:49It has to do with the overall cost.
00:14:51Some people will say that
00:14:53there is globalization,
00:14:55there is inflation.
00:14:57But where has the weather gone?
00:14:59I don't remember.
00:15:01The thing is that
00:15:03there is a possibility of rain
00:15:05in many areas from today.
00:15:07And the rain will continue
00:15:09until 1st October.
00:15:11NDMA has issued an alert
00:15:13to the relevant courts.
00:15:15Where are you talking about?
00:15:17I am telling you now.
00:15:19That makes sense.
00:15:21In some areas of Sindh,
00:15:23it is expected to rain
00:15:25from time to time until 28th September.
00:15:27But I don't know whether
00:15:29there is rain in Karachi or not.
00:15:31There will be heavy rain in Nushehra
00:15:33and Peshawar as well.
00:15:35And in Deer, Swat, Bunehr,
00:15:37Shangla, Mari, Galiat, Mansehra,
00:15:39Kohistan, Chitral, all the remote areas,
00:15:41because it is a mountainous area,
00:15:43there is a risk of landsliding
00:15:45due to heavy rains.
00:15:47But due to cold weather,
00:15:49there is a possibility of rain.
00:15:51And it will continue
00:15:53until 1st October.
00:15:55And as far as we know,
00:15:57there will be heavy rains
00:15:59and landslides.
00:16:01No, no.
00:16:03The rains of your fate
00:16:05will fall on some other city.
00:16:07So when will it happen?
00:16:09Listen to me.
00:16:11Forget it.
00:16:13The rain will fall
00:16:15and the poet in this poem
00:16:17means rain.
00:16:19Yes, we understood.
00:16:21Please explain to us more
00:16:23that it means rain.
00:16:25I will not take the name of the poet,
00:16:27but it is not possible
00:16:29that I stop reading poetry.
00:16:31I like it.
00:16:33Anyway, Ashfaq told you
00:16:35the details of the rain.
00:16:37And I was surprised
00:16:39because if you go out
00:16:41in the day,
00:16:43there is no rain.
00:16:45Here, the heat is telling us
00:16:47that I am also there.
00:16:49I am also there.
00:16:51Let's talk about the neighboring country.
00:16:53Let's talk about India.
00:16:55Although there was a time
00:16:57when there was no partition,
00:16:59Karachi and Mumbai were together.
00:17:01Bombay.
00:17:03Bombay used to be there.
00:17:05Now the weather there is completely different.
00:17:07There was heavy rain
00:17:09and it has destroyed everything.
00:17:11Many flights have been canceled.
00:17:15Pilots find it difficult
00:17:17to fly in such weather.
00:17:19Due to heavy rain,
00:17:21the roads are flooded.
00:17:23You can see cars floating.
00:17:27In India, you have issued
00:17:29an alert in Mumbai and Girdho Nawa
00:17:31and have predicted
00:17:33more heavy rains.
00:17:35There is so much difference
00:17:37in geography.
00:17:39We don't expect heavy rain
00:17:41because it will be too much for us.
00:17:43We expect it to happen
00:17:45in the sense that it will happen
00:17:47today, tomorrow, day after tomorrow.
00:17:49If our infrastructure
00:17:51is capable of this,
00:17:53it will be light all year.
00:17:55Especially in Karachi.
00:17:57We will also get rid
00:17:59of air pollution.
00:18:01Because the raindrops
00:18:03will make them dirty.
00:18:05Dirty?
00:18:07You are reading a book in the morning.
00:18:09Now let's talk about
00:18:11Waqf.
00:18:13Waqf is important.
00:18:23Let's talk about the economy.
00:18:25The program of loans
00:18:27has been approved
00:18:29by the IMF.
00:18:31It has been approved
00:18:33by the executive board.
00:18:35The staff level agreement
00:18:37was already done.
00:18:39At the end of this month,
00:18:41Pakistan will get
00:18:43more than 1 billion dollars.
00:18:451.1 billion.
00:18:471.1 billion matters a lot.
00:18:49This is a program of 7 billion dollars
00:18:51which we will get
00:18:53in 37 months.
00:18:55Everyone is saying
00:18:57that the Pakistani economy
00:18:59is going to get a boost
00:19:01from this loan.
00:19:03There was a pressure
00:19:05from foreign companies
00:19:07to reduce the pressure.
00:19:13The head of the IMF
00:19:15says that
00:19:17Pakistan has reformed.
00:19:19Pakistan's economy is getting better.
00:19:21There is a decrease in inflation.
00:19:25We were told
00:19:27that there is a decrease
00:19:29in the rate of inflation.
00:19:31Khaqan has explained
00:19:33that the government
00:19:35is taking taxes from the rich
00:19:37and helping the poor.
00:19:39How true is that?
00:19:41The PM was present
00:19:43in the UN meeting.
00:19:45He says that
00:19:47we have fulfilled the strict conditions
00:19:49of the IMF.
00:19:51China, Saudi Arabia
00:19:53and the UAE have played
00:19:55an important role.
00:19:57Let's talk about
00:19:59Dr. Khaqan Najeeb.
00:20:01He is present with us.
00:20:03Dr. Najeeb,
00:20:05we celebrate the loan
00:20:07because our economy
00:20:09needs it.
00:20:11But, what were the claims
00:20:13and wishes
00:20:15to break the shackles
00:20:17and get out of this?
00:20:19When I say loan,
00:20:21I try not to sound English.
00:20:23What are your comments on this?
00:20:25It is true that
00:20:27if a country
00:20:29goes to the IMF on 24th,
00:20:31the lender of the last resort,
00:20:33the doctor of the ICU,
00:20:35you have done something
00:20:37in the last 77 years
00:20:39that you could not take care of your economy.
00:20:41It is true.
00:20:43This is Pakistan's time for introspection.
00:20:45This is Pakistan's time
00:20:47to think
00:20:49that you have taken
00:20:51a time and breathing space.
00:20:53For the next 2-3 years,
00:20:55I am saying 2-3 years
00:20:57because Pakistan has entered
00:20:59many programs,
00:21:01but only one program
00:21:03which was a 13-16 long term program.
00:21:05You have bought this breathing space.
00:21:07To buy this breathing space,
00:21:09of course, there is a price
00:21:11of policy instruments.
00:21:13Every citizen of Pakistan,
00:21:15you, me, the taxpaying citizen,
00:21:17had to pay
00:21:19an average of Rs. 29 to Rs. 34
00:21:21and had to do some SOE reforms.
00:21:23You had to do all these things.
00:21:25You had to make
00:21:27a prior condition budget
00:21:29so that you
00:21:31get a macro stability.
00:21:33Here is what we have gotten out of
00:21:35what Sadaf was saying.
00:21:37Pratisar is at 9.6% today.
00:21:39There is a reduction in the
00:21:41sign of rising prices.
00:21:43Rupees have stabilized.
00:21:45You also know this.
00:21:47It was sliding
00:21:49at Rs. 278 today.
00:21:51It is stable at Rs. 278.
00:21:53State Bank has liquidity
00:21:55to mop up reserves.
00:21:57Reserves are at Rs. 9.5 billion.
00:21:59If you add Rs. 1.1 billion,
00:22:01it will cross Rs. 10.5 billion.
00:22:03So, what happened is that
00:22:05your external lurking challenges
00:22:07were to collect
00:22:09Rs. 26 billion.
00:22:11Rs. 12.7 billion were saved.
00:22:13Rs. 4 billion will be
00:22:15reprofiled.
00:22:17So, that is what has happened.
00:22:47So, let's look at
00:22:49where
00:22:51we have
00:22:53indicated macro stability
00:22:55on the higher level.
00:22:57If you look at Pakistan's
00:22:59immediate high frequency indicators,
00:23:01then you will understand
00:23:03where they are actually standing.
00:23:05Cement sales are down.
00:23:07Electricity prices in Pakistan
00:23:09have dropped.
00:23:11Car sales in Pakistan
00:23:13have dropped.
00:23:15So, we have broken
00:23:17the overall demand.
00:23:19We have slowed it.
00:23:21Our growth is
00:23:23around 2.5 to 3 percent.
00:23:25It is not like
00:23:27we can create
00:23:291.5 to 2.5 million jobs.
00:23:31That is the real relief
00:23:33to the people of Pakistan.
00:23:35Sorry to interrupt.
00:23:37A common man's purchasing power
00:23:39has fallen so much
00:23:41that there is no demand.
00:23:43It is not even possible
00:23:45to spend it.
00:23:47Because of the demand supply,
00:23:49it has fallen.
00:23:51These are cosmetic measures.
00:23:53So, you have
00:23:55stabilized an ICU patient.
00:23:57Stability means
00:23:59that the fratizer has reduced.
00:24:01If ARY increases your salary
00:24:03by 15 to 20 percent,
00:24:05then your purchasing power will be better this year.
00:24:07But the real point is
00:24:09that this breathing space
00:24:11will not be utilized
00:24:13for the broadening of FBR.
00:24:15For vertical and horizontal
00:24:17taxes.
00:24:19What does this mean?
00:24:21Even today, your real estate
00:24:23pays 14 percent tax.
00:24:25The income tax
00:24:27pays 35 to 40 percent.
00:24:29IMF should not do this.
00:24:31You should do this.
00:24:33Increasing the price of energy
00:24:35is the policy framework
00:24:37of IMF for stability.
00:24:39Correcting the challenge of
00:24:41privatization, tariff reform,
00:24:43and direct subsidy
00:24:45is not done by
00:24:47the IMF.
00:24:51So,
00:24:53every time we get this breathing space,
00:24:55we don't use it
00:24:57prudently to do all the things.
00:24:59Exactly. That is the problem.
00:25:01Yesterday, we were talking
00:25:03to the chairman of Eptima.
00:25:05They were very concerned.
00:25:07They said that the industries are closing.
00:25:09What is the reason?
00:25:11We are not able to meet the target.
00:25:13Electricity is expensive.
00:25:15Export orders are
00:25:17better in China
00:25:19than in other countries.
00:25:21Is this matter
00:25:23being looked at?
00:25:25This is a matter of attention.
00:25:27If the economy is controlled
00:25:29artificially, it will suit.
00:25:31But for the short term.
00:25:33Do you think that it will
00:25:35meet the target?
00:25:37There was no other option
00:25:39in the short term.
00:25:41Go to the fund.
00:25:43Use their approach.
00:25:45Slowing of the economy
00:25:47and controlling the demand.
00:25:49This is just giving you
00:25:51the breathing space.
00:25:53The cost of doing business
00:25:55and ease of doing business
00:25:57has nothing to do with the fund.
00:25:59The cost of doing business
00:26:01has nothing to do with the fund.
00:26:03I have never said
00:26:05that we need to increase
00:26:07our productivity.
00:26:09I have never seen
00:26:11a policy framework
00:26:13that increases productivity
00:26:15of agriculture, manufacturing
00:26:17and service sector.
00:26:19There is no other way
00:26:21of prosperity in the world.
00:26:23Let me give you an example.
00:26:25AI has come.
00:26:27America's productivity
00:26:29has increased.
00:26:31Let me give you an example.
00:26:33You will understand what I am saying.
00:26:35This is an individual level.
00:26:37The email I used to write in 7 minutes
00:26:39I use AI.
00:26:41It generates the email in 1 minute.
00:26:43I correct it in the next minute.
00:26:45It works in 2 minutes.
00:26:47It is time saving.
00:26:49The faster it performs,
00:26:51the faster it earns.
00:26:53Pakistan has to change its narrative
00:26:55from getting companies
00:26:57to come from abroad
00:26:59and bottom up
00:27:01its own companies,
00:27:03its own cluster,
00:27:05its own industry,
00:27:07its own production capability.
00:27:09This is the time you have bought.
00:27:11The private sector
00:27:13is also trapped.
00:27:15Our mindset
00:27:17is that we are
00:27:19rent seeking.
00:27:21Cheap electricity, cheap contracts,
00:27:2317% guaranteed return.
00:27:25It has to come out of this also.
00:27:27We have to fix the energy sector.
00:27:29There are no two ways.
00:27:31We have to increase the efficiency
00:27:33of cotton production.
00:27:35Pakistan has to pay attention to this also.
00:27:37We have to increase the production resources.
00:27:39There is a lot of focus on this.
00:27:41At what cost
00:27:43have we got this program?
00:27:45Are the masses ready?
00:27:47Will there be more strictness?
00:27:49Will there be more taxes?
00:27:51What will happen in the next 37 months
00:27:53when we have to meet all 7 Arab countries?
00:27:55Programming
00:27:57and implementing it
00:27:59is just the first step
00:28:01into the room.
00:28:03You have to do 3 things in that room.
00:28:05You will get structural benchmarks.
00:28:07What does this mean?
00:28:09It means you have to change the legislation.
00:28:11You have to change the policy frameworks.
00:28:13Tax broadening can come in this.
00:28:15A new thing has come.
00:28:17National Fiscal Pact. What does this mean?
00:28:19It means you don't do NFC.
00:28:21Here is the clear understanding.
00:28:23Let's say you would have done NFC yourself.
00:28:25You would have reviewed NFC.
00:28:27I have repeatedly said that
00:28:2960% is given to the provinces.
00:28:31You will have to go and talk to them.
00:28:33What happened then?
00:28:35IMF came.
00:28:37IMF said you don't do NFC.
00:28:39Now you should do a fiscal pact.
00:28:41They gave you a refutation.
00:28:43You can do this instead of doing that.
00:28:45I repeatedly say that this happens only
00:28:47when the country does all these things.
00:28:49Then no one will come and tell you
00:28:51that you don't have to do this.
00:28:53So you will have to do this.
00:28:55But for the people of Pakistan,
00:28:57the hope is that
00:28:59the worst of macro instability
00:29:01is probably over.
00:29:03The trend of increasing prices
00:29:05and energy prices
00:29:07have passed through.
00:29:09Reserves will probably be built.
00:29:11There will be stability of FX.
00:29:13So the worst of
00:29:15the biggest tax
00:29:17is over.
00:29:19The stock market has started
00:29:21to recover.
00:29:23Pakistan's stock market
00:29:25is at its peak.
00:29:27Breaking news will also be
00:29:29with us.
00:29:31The stock market has started
00:29:33to recover.
00:29:35It is trading at
00:29:37its peak.
00:29:39Because of this thing.
00:29:41504 points have been added.
00:29:43Yes, 504 points have been added.
00:29:45It is at 82,752 points
00:29:47Right now,
00:29:49the trading is going on.
00:29:51This seems like
00:29:53a good thing.
00:29:55Mr. Khakhan,
00:29:57what do these indicators
00:29:59of the stock market
00:30:01reflect?
00:30:03Does it mean that
00:30:05the economy is improving?
00:30:07What does it indicate?
00:30:09It indicates
00:30:11that the economic agent
00:30:13is thinking
00:30:15that the coming days are better.
00:30:17If the share of ARY
00:30:19is on the stock exchange,
00:30:21if I buy it for Rs. 10,
00:30:23then ARY will get more
00:30:25advertisements.
00:30:27They will have more viewership.
00:30:29So this share will go to Rs. 15 instead of Rs. 10.
00:30:31So the economic agent is thinking this.
00:30:33Profitability of the companies has been good.
00:30:35What is the reason for this?
00:30:37If there was such a big inflation,
00:30:39the prices would have increased.
00:30:41The profitability of the banks was good
00:30:43The larger part of the banking profit
00:30:45is coming from the government.
00:30:47One last thing,
00:30:49let's talk about what is not there
00:30:51in this program
00:30:53so that this also comes on record.
00:30:55Expenditure reform is not there in this program.
00:30:57This means that
00:30:59the PSDP is being told
00:31:0113 trillion.
00:31:03If we have made
00:31:0513 trillion projects,
00:31:07this will not end in the next 15 years.
00:31:09To fix this,
00:31:11inflation reform,
00:31:13subsidy reform,
00:31:15the reform we give to the provinces,
00:31:17and the biggest thing,
00:31:19to handle Pakistan's debt,
00:31:21it is absolutely sustainable
00:31:23if you make adjustments.
00:31:25I have done all this
00:31:27because all this emphasis
00:31:29has gone to tax,
00:31:31but the government spends,
00:31:33the provincial governments
00:31:35spend, think about that too.
00:31:37Let me give you an example.
00:31:39The government and the federal
00:31:41are one in the provinces,
00:31:43and the fourth is also cooperating.
00:31:45You should tell them
00:31:47to increase the surplus
00:31:49so that instead of 1800,
00:31:51you have to pay 1300 taxes.
00:31:53I am giving an example.
00:31:55There are always solutions
00:31:57that you can put to the IMF
00:31:59which don't put a burden.
00:32:01But Alhamdulillah, let's say
00:32:03the program has been implemented,
00:32:05now we have to follow it.
00:32:07Let's see what happens.
00:32:09Thank you so much Dr. Khakan Najeeb
00:32:11for being with us.
00:32:13Obviously, when we have
00:32:15completely relied on taxation,
00:32:17then everyone is waiting
00:32:19for the gap to be reduced.
00:32:21Let's take a break.
00:32:37Welcome back once again.
00:33:07Let's talk about the Minister of Education, Sindh.
00:33:09He made a comment which is
00:33:11circulating a lot on the media.
00:33:13He criticized the education system
00:33:15of Punjab and said that
00:33:17there is more copying in Punjab than Sindh.
00:33:19Copying is also a big problem here.
00:33:21We are showing you examples of this
00:33:23during the exams.
00:33:25The Minister of Education, Sindh
00:33:27says that the entire centres are changed
00:33:29and the institutions of Islamabad
00:33:31which make a report on this
00:33:33without knowing the ground realities,
00:33:35are playing the role of desk analysts.
00:33:39And then it is that without knowing the reality,
00:33:41the educational standards of Sindh
00:33:43have been tried to be degraded.
00:33:45And the planning commission has issued
00:33:47a one-sided report that the schools in Sindh
00:33:49are in a bad state.
00:33:51Let's see what else he said.
00:33:53When you compare it with Punjab,
00:33:55there is no cheating or favouritism
00:33:57even in the ideal situation.
00:33:59This is not only in Sindh.
00:34:01It is in Punjab.
00:34:03He went to Punjab during the exams
00:34:05and admitted that our schools are being sold.
00:34:07There is cheating.
00:34:09Yes, there is.
00:34:11But the focus on education
00:34:13and the way students are given
00:34:15jobs to come to schools,
00:34:17courses,
00:34:19laptop schemes,
00:34:21there is a lot of difference.
00:34:23There is a lot of difference.
00:34:25And one thing is very important here.
00:34:27I remember that there was a protest
00:34:29in front of Karachi Press Cup
00:34:31when they were asked questions
00:34:33about their subjects.
00:34:35The answers were given.
00:34:37They are still present on YouTube
00:34:39that they didn't know about their subjects.
00:34:41If there is an English teacher,
00:34:43he doesn't know about ABC.
00:34:45If there is an Urdu teacher,
00:34:47he doesn't know about Alif Bae.
00:34:49These are the basic things
00:34:51that show the quality of education.
00:34:53And remember Shehzad Roy
00:34:55wants to introduce his program
00:34:57in which the question is raised
00:34:59and another claim
00:35:01made by the Minister of Education
00:35:03is that it is very important
00:35:05to listen to Ashfaq,
00:35:07that UNESCO has said
00:35:09that text books in Sindh
00:35:11are better than the entire country.
00:35:13Do you remember that incident
00:35:15when Sehrish used to say
00:35:17that she used to read books in a drain
00:35:19and how they were wasted.
00:35:21How these schools
00:35:23used to be converted into offices
00:35:25and these reports about ghost schools
00:35:27are public everywhere.
00:35:29There were about 10,000 ghost schools
00:35:31in Sindh.
00:35:33Sardar sir is doing a good job
00:35:35and he has the knowledge
00:35:37of education.
00:35:39He is focused.
00:35:41But what is there,
00:35:43is there.
00:35:45There is a need for improvement
00:35:47and there is no comparison
00:35:49between Sindh, KP
00:35:51and Punjab.
00:35:53Let's see
00:35:55what more can be done
00:35:57and there may be a reaction
00:35:59from Punjab.
00:36:01From where you say,
00:36:03what is happening in the field of education
00:36:05is in front of you.
00:36:07But now we tell you
00:36:09that there are some skills
00:36:11that are still giving people
00:36:13a better life.
00:36:15In the old wooden Umar Hayat palace
00:36:17of Chiniot,
00:36:19exhibitions of Islamic literature
00:36:21and art have been held
00:36:23in which more than 70 artists
00:36:25from all over the country
00:36:27have been given awards.
00:36:29This is the report of Amir Umar Chaman.
00:36:31Let's see.
00:36:33This is the report of Amir Umar Chaman.
00:36:35Let's see.
00:37:03This is the report of Amir Umar Chaman.
00:37:05Let's see.
00:37:15Alright.
00:37:17Let's see.
00:37:33Inshallah.
00:37:35Inshallah.
00:37:37Inshallah.
00:37:57That's very good.
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00:39:27He said that it is expected that the amendment will be approved by the consent of the people.
00:39:30Then he mentioned a special point of view.
00:39:33He said that the amendment should not be for the benefit of anyone for a long time.
00:39:40It should not be for the benefit of anyone for a long time. It should be on the basis of need.
00:39:45Then he said one more thing.
00:39:48In Balochistan and KP, the government has stopped acting.
00:39:52Two provinces are under the control of armed groups.
00:39:54One province is a nationalist and the other is a religious group.
00:39:58Amal Wali Khan says that the lawyer will have to work harder to get rid of the problems in the judicial system.
00:40:04In Karachi Barse Khitab, Amal Wali said that unfortunately in Pakistan, judges do not make decisions.
00:40:10Noorlee's guide, Senator Irfan Siddiqui, says that after making a decision based on the law,
00:40:15we should not be forced to act on the decision.
00:40:19A respected judge is also a human being. He can also make a mistake.
00:40:23BTI Kiran Ahmad, Senator Dr. Humayun Mohammad has joined us.
00:40:29Thank you so much Humayun Mohammad for joining us.
00:40:31Maulana has also given a green signal that he is in favor of the judicial system.
00:40:37Yes, he says that the amendment is not for the benefit of anyone.
00:40:44But he has agreed to the judicial system.
00:40:46So, the government that we see now, that the amendment will come again and again,
00:40:51Maulana's role will be different as compared to the last one.
00:40:55So, where are you standing on this?
00:40:57In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
00:41:01I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger.
00:41:03See, remember one thing.
00:41:05The basic three pillars of the principles of democracy are called the trichotomy of powers or segregation of powers.
00:41:15There are three things that we separate from each other.
00:41:19We separate their work, their powers from each other.
00:41:24And no one's power can be within the other.
00:41:27That is your court, that is your parliament and that is your executive.
00:41:33The job of the parliament is to make the law or its job is to make the law.
00:41:40Make the law that does not clash with two things.
00:41:46One, that we do not clash with Article 2 or the Islamic ideology in other words.
00:41:55Two, that we do not go against the fundamental rights of the public.
00:42:10These are two limiting things for the parliament.
00:42:15So, in other words, the parliament is not free.
00:42:19The parliament can make everything but within a limit.
00:42:23If it goes beyond that limit, then their law or their constitution will also be considered wrong.
00:42:33After that comes the consultation and collective wisdom.
00:42:43Whether it is your opposition or not, there is a collective wisdom.
00:42:47After that comes the next role of the court.
00:42:50The role of the court is to do interpretation.
00:42:54Interpretation means that I can read the Quran but I do not understand Arabic.
00:43:00So when I read it, if I want to understand, I will go to such a person who has an understanding of it.
00:43:08And he will tell me what the meaning of this is.
00:43:12In addition to the translation, I will have to understand the basic reason why this verse was revealed.
00:43:24This is why it is written in the Quran in many places.
00:43:27And there are signs for those who understand.
00:43:31We get your point.
00:43:45Whether their decisions are right or wrong is their interpretation.
00:43:53The third thing is executive.
00:43:55The role of the executive is to implement that interpretation.
00:43:59If none of them do it, then the whole system will collapse.
00:44:04But where are you standing on the basis of the Constitutional Court?
00:44:07This was my basic question.
00:44:09In my opinion, the Constitutional Court is a court...
00:44:20Mr. Senator, we are having a conversation.
00:44:24We are having a meeting with the President of Palestine, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif.
00:44:31What is the conversation?
00:44:33In Gaza, for the last one year, genocide.
00:44:38We strongly condemn this barbaric act on the part of Israel.
00:44:44I have come here to convey the feelings of the people of Pakistan.
00:44:50Their hearts beat with the hearts of our Palestinian brothers and sisters.
00:44:57In the last one year, 41,000 Palestinians have been martyred.
00:45:08Young boys, babies, girls, mothers, fathers, brothers.
00:45:14Cities after cities have been razed to the ground.
00:45:18Towns, villages, hospitals, schools, infrastructure.
00:45:23I think this kind of terrible act of barbarism hasn't been witnessed by mankind.
00:45:36Not only in recent history, but I think for ages.
00:45:40Time has come that we must all get together.
00:45:45In a united fashion, we should demand two things.
00:45:50Immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
00:45:53Immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
00:45:56And creation of the State of Palestine.
00:46:02Without that, peace will not return in this part of the world.
00:46:08And if this situation is allowed to linger on for a period of time,
00:46:15then God forbid, things can become very, very tense around the globe.
00:46:21What is the message to the Palestinian people from Pakistan?
00:46:25The message is that the sacrifices of Palestinian brothers and sisters,
00:46:32their patience, their bravery will not go to waste.
00:46:37And God willing, it will result in an independent State of Palestine.
00:46:42What would you say about the response of the Muslim world?
00:46:45I'll say one thing.
00:46:48Pakistan, since the very, very beginning, I mean before 1948 till now,
00:46:55their position is fully with the Palestinian people.
00:46:59And they help the Palestinian people as much as they can.
00:47:04And not only, for instance, students or helping or tents.
00:47:14No, in the international community, the position of Pakistan is the same.
00:47:22Full support to Palestine.
00:47:45And if this issue is not resolved, peace will not return.
00:47:49And for the whole region, for the whole country, for the whole world,
00:47:53it can become a big problem.
00:47:55And without a doubt, the demand for ceasefire should be there.
00:47:58And now this ceasefire should be in the whole region.
00:48:00And to realize this now is the responsibility of the international leaders.
00:48:05Especially now, there is a meeting of the General Assembly of the United Nations.
00:48:09And there will be addresses here as well.
00:48:11And we should make sure that peace can be restored from here.
00:48:15Humayun Mohammad was with us.
00:48:17We were talking to him.
00:48:19Mr. Mohammad, please tell us.
00:48:20Firstly, you were giving your point of view on the establishment of a constitutional court.
00:48:23And secondly, the establishment of a constitutional court in its own place.
00:48:26Of course, it can be a matter of time.
00:48:28But the bone of contention that is being raised at the moment is that
00:48:32who will elect the judges or those who will be in charge of it?
00:48:37How will transparency be maintained in it?
00:48:39So, are you also concerned about this?
00:48:43Look, I will say it again.
00:48:45The basic fundamental principle is the segregation of powers.
00:48:50One parliament executive or parliament cannot interfere in the work of the court.
00:49:01It means that if he promotes or appoints them,
00:49:05then that judge will automatically become their subservient.
00:49:09So, this is why it is important for you to know who will be the judge.
00:49:15You will address this in the lower courts or in the entry of the high court.
00:49:21There, you should make a mechanism in which the interference of the executive
00:49:26and interference of anyone is minimal.
00:49:29And based on the merit or the attitude or aptitude of the people,
00:49:35or as a lawyer or as a judge,
00:49:38if he is going from the lower court, then what were his decisions?
00:49:42If he is a lawyer, then what kind of cases did he win?
00:49:47What are his arguments?
00:49:48So that you understand that he has done his aptitude.
00:49:51Because remember that it is the call of Hazrat Ali R.A. that
00:49:55he cannot run a system where there is oppression or injustice.
00:49:59So, we have to address this first.
00:50:02Now comes the second thing that is the need of constitutional courts?
00:50:06The question is that the meaning of constitutional courts is
00:50:09that who will do the permanent interpretation?
00:50:13By the way, all judges are in this.
00:50:16Some lawyers who become judges are constitutional lawyers.
00:50:21They have more understanding.
00:50:24You must make it.
00:50:26But that should be subservient to the Supreme Court.
00:50:29In other words, it could be a kind of a bench which only listens to this.
00:50:34But there should be a Supreme Court above it.
00:50:37When all these things happen from there, that should be done.
00:50:42The Supreme Court should not be its subservient.
00:50:45You have come to the point.
00:50:46I would like to take the conversation further.
00:50:49It feels good if there is a debate on this in the Parliament.
00:50:53It feels good if there is a formal debate on all the points.
00:50:57But if you sit on television and the PTI as a Jamaat will talk about this
00:51:01and there will be no debate in the Parliament.
00:51:04The amendment comes tomorrow.
00:51:06The amendment is somehow passed.
00:51:08Then what is the benefit of all this conversation?
00:51:10We want to know that if Maulana is giving a go ahead,
00:51:13then most probably this will happen.
00:51:15He has the numbers.
00:51:16He can support the government on this.
00:51:18So will you discuss this matter in the Parliament
00:51:21or will this be a talk show debate?
00:51:23Look, it is like this.
00:51:26Tell me one thing.
00:51:27Who has been shown the opportunity in the Parliament at this time?
00:51:31Has it been presented in the Parliament?
00:51:33Has it been laid down?
00:51:34Has there been a proper debate in it?
00:51:39Are you making constitutional amendments to the House as a whole?
00:51:46Do you want to change a constitution by doing this for a week, two weeks, one day, two days, one hour, two hours?
00:51:55What are you in a hurry for?
00:51:57You bring the points.
00:51:59We may not agree with it to start with.
00:52:02When we understand your points, it is better.
00:52:06You do this for 1, 2, 3, 4 months.
00:52:09Mr. Ishaq Dars had said in the floor of the House that the Charter of Democracy had taken 4 years.
00:52:18You made the Charter of Democracy between two parties,
00:52:23out of which this was one section and you did not take any time on the other 15 sections.
00:52:28You said that we will make this committee,
00:52:31we will check the Kargil wall,
00:52:33the judges and the armed forces will give their returns to the common man every year.
00:52:44All those things were there.
00:52:45You take one of those points and do it.
00:52:47It took him four years.
00:52:49Why are you doing it for four hours?
00:52:51You lay it down in the Parliament.
00:52:53But are you ready to sit on it and talk to the government if you are contacted?
00:53:00Look, sir, it is not about sitting with the government.
00:53:05It is about presenting those amendments in the Parliament.
00:53:12After that, whether we sit with the government or not, we will have a debate on it.
00:53:17After that, it should be taken to the committee.
00:53:20There should be detailed discussions in the committee.
00:53:23You call the constitutional lawyers in it.
00:53:26You should see those constitutional lawyers plus or minus.
00:53:30You should bring them in every way possible.
00:53:32Then you should bring them in the house and then let the house debate on it.
00:53:37Then you should go somewhere and make a constitutional amendment.
00:53:40But if we make a constitutional amendment in such a way that we changed a practice and procedure bill three months ago.
00:53:48Instead of saying to the Supreme Court in Article 191 that you change your rules.
00:53:53We facilitated them on the fact that we don't want to empower one person.
00:53:57And after three months, six months, when we found out what happened.
00:54:02So now we are empowering that person again.
00:54:05Look, this is not the way to make laws or this is not the way to make laws.
00:54:10No wonder Pakistan is going down.
00:54:14Thank you so much.
00:54:16Dr. Humayun Mohammad was with us.
00:54:19He wants to have a debate on PGI.
00:54:22He wants to have a debate on it in the parliament.
00:54:24Let's see what happens on it.
00:54:26There is news.
00:54:27There are some updates.
00:54:28Let's share them.
00:54:29The area of Karachi is on University Road.
00:54:31In the recent road traffic accident, a fast car coming from the wrong direction crushed a person with a bike.
00:54:38And the victim of the accident is currently in a coma.
00:54:41Naseer Shah is with us.
00:54:43He is giving more details on how this incident happened.
00:54:46Yes.
00:54:48Traffic police in Karachi.
00:54:50Another city accident has occurred.
00:54:55I am currently on the road from University Road.
00:54:59If you look at it, it leads to Swarabkot.
00:55:02And on my left is the way to Karachi University.
00:55:06I am currently with the citizen whose brother was injured in the accident.
00:55:10He was going home from his job at 6 in the morning.
00:55:14He was going home from his job at 6 in the morning.
00:55:18But a car was coming from the wrong direction.
00:55:23The car hit him very hard.
00:55:26Because of which he has a brain injury.
00:55:30And the contingency has developed.
00:55:32Because of which he is still in a coma.
00:55:34He is currently admitted in the Civil Trauma Center.
00:55:37And his condition is on the borderline.
00:55:41I got in touch with the police on the first day.
00:55:44I was asked to record the statement.
00:55:47But my brother was in a coma, so he could not give a statement.
00:55:50On the basis of which I recorded the statement.
00:55:52But since then, I have not been contacted.
00:55:55And they are appealing that the person involved in this incident should be arrested.
00:56:01The case should be closed.
00:56:03And a legal action should be taken against him.
00:56:06Thank you very much, Mr. Naseer.
00:56:08Many people lose their lives in incidents that come from the wrong side.
00:56:15But unfortunately, people do not pay attention to this.
00:56:18The police should be strict here.
00:56:21Especially the traffic police.
00:56:23They are not allowed to leave the scene.
00:56:27People should also take care of themselves.
00:56:29The way you see what happened.
00:56:32You should not stay in the wrong way because of the shortcut.
00:56:36This can cause a lot of damage.
00:56:37Let's take a break and come back after the break.
00:56:46Welcome back once again.
00:56:47Let's talk about the tax returns that everyone has to deposit.
00:56:53The last date has been decided not to extend it.
00:56:5730th September is the date.
00:56:59Which is said to be the last date.
00:57:01Otherwise, it is usually announced a few days later.
00:57:05Let's extend it to October.
00:57:08Now it is being said that there will be action against those who are not taxpayers.
00:57:15And we have received some signs of that action.
00:57:17They will not be able to go to foreign countries.
00:57:19They will not be able to open new accounts.
00:57:21They will not be able to buy.
00:57:23They will not be able to buy cars with extra payment.
00:57:28According to the FBI, more than 19,26,000 accounts have been deposited.
00:57:33We are waiting for more.
00:57:35As Dr. Khakhan Najeeb was saying, our entire economy relies on tax.
00:57:39Let's see when the numbers come.
00:57:41Another thing to mention is that the negotiations between the traders and the FBI were unsuccessful.
00:57:47The FBI has decided to audit the traders.
00:57:50It has also announced that it will recruit 4,000 auditors.
00:57:53In this case, the FBI has to make sure of tax enforcement.
00:57:56It has also decided to take strict action against tax theft.
00:57:59It has decided to block identification card numbers.
00:58:02It has decided to buy and sell mobile sims, electricity and gas connections, cars and property.
00:58:06And it has decided to face difficulties in travel to Beirut.
00:58:10And the government has decided to collect tax from the traders.
00:58:13Which is the right thing.
00:58:15How?
00:58:16What should be the method?
00:58:17I like this sentence that the negotiations were unsuccessful.
00:58:20Negotiations are taking place.
00:58:22They are being audited.
00:58:23And who will negotiate with the public
00:58:25when a salary class class has been taxed.
00:58:30More tax has been imposed.
00:58:32And there is no one to ask.
00:58:34This is such a joke.
00:58:36It is said about the national airline.
00:58:38A gentleman was travelling.
00:58:40He asked the air hostess, will you have lunch?
00:58:44She said, what are the options?
00:58:46He said, yes or no.
00:58:48So we have no option of yes or no.
00:58:51And secondly, I don't forget that ad.
00:58:53The ad that came out the other day.
00:58:55About the trader-friend scheme.
00:58:57That if you pay in installments, you can get 25% interest.
00:59:01They want to do it in some way.
00:59:03Just understand.
00:59:04Our salary comes later.
00:59:05Tax is paid first.
00:59:07Is this facility for the salary class?
00:59:09But understand one thing.
00:59:10They want to make it mild.
00:59:11That once they come, it is okay.
00:59:13They also think that.
00:59:14Do you remember this sentence?
00:59:15Why should we show the way to our home to the angel of death?
00:59:18Do you also think the same?
00:59:20We have with us Mr. Mohammad Naeem Mir.
00:59:22He is the chief coordinator of the Taj-Friend scheme.
00:59:25Thank you so much for joining us.
00:59:27We have our own analysis and comments.
00:59:29But what do you think?
00:59:30What are the reasons for the failure of the negotiations to make the traders mild?
00:59:38Look, the thing is.
00:59:40There is a 77-year-old mindset.
00:59:44There is no habit of giving tax to the traders.
00:59:47There is no habit of telling your account book.
00:59:50And the state has also adopted a soft attitude.
00:59:54Did not ask.
00:59:55As long as the goods of the traders kept coming.
00:59:58And we all kept eating it together.
01:00:00And it was an attitude of non-responsibility.
01:00:04And now the money has stopped coming from outside.
01:00:08And a lot of steps are taken.
01:00:10And the question is that you do not bring your resources for nothing.
01:00:14Pakistan's own people do not pay taxes.
01:00:17And the money of the taxpayers of other countries is spent on people who do not pay taxes for their own country.
01:00:24So there is also a state of shame for the state.
01:00:30And for the executives.
01:00:32The chief executive is also for the prime minister.
01:00:35So the state also has the power to implement.
01:00:38A lot of things are coming to us.
01:00:41That they will do it, who will not pay taxes.
01:00:43I think it will be for the salaried class.
01:00:45What will happen if the traders do not pay taxes?
01:00:49No, look, I think you will appreciate it.
01:00:55That the state is now in the process of implementation.
01:00:59And all these measures have been taken.
01:01:01That people who do not pay taxes will not be able to buy property.
01:01:05Will not be able to run a mobile sim.
01:01:09Will not be able to buy a car.
01:01:11And likewise will not be able to travel abroad.
01:01:14So these warnings have come for the traders?
01:01:16Yes, of course, these are for the traders.
01:01:19Non-finalists are traders.
01:01:21Our salaried class people already pay taxes on their salaries.
01:01:26So they have a very big contribution.
01:01:29I asked because negotiations are taking place.
01:01:31So it is not yet decided whether they agree or not.
01:01:35So will all the warnings that you are already telling us apply to them?
01:01:39Or if they show willingness to sit for negotiations.
01:01:42Then this deadline will go ahead.
01:01:44And then it will be said that you should cooperate.
01:01:47Because who will decide who will pay how much tax?
01:01:51Because this is also an important factor.
01:01:54No, look, the thing is that tax is on income.
01:01:58And whoever is earning income will pay tax.
01:02:00And tax labs are present, tax rates are present.
01:02:03So this is not the case that it is decided.
01:02:06But the real problem is that in this budget, new measures of tax of 35 billion were taken.
01:02:12Exemptions were terminated.
01:02:14So basically, the shortfall of FBR is coming at the moment.
01:02:18Approximately 100 billion rupees.
01:02:21So there are only two ways to cover this.
01:02:23Either a new mini-budget is brought in.
01:02:25Then indirect taxes will be imposed.
01:02:27And then tax will be imposed on those people.
01:02:29That is, tax will be imposed on the common people.
01:02:31So that will be an injustice.
01:02:33And I think that should not be done.
01:02:36But tell me one thing.
01:02:38Let me finish.
01:02:41The government wants that the 35 billion rupees of tax that have been given.
01:02:45They should be enforced in the letter and spirit.
01:02:48And their tax should be collected from there.
01:02:50Because there are also a lot of leakages there.
01:02:53And there are also a lot of loopholes there.
01:02:55So I think they are trying to cover that.
01:02:58No, sir, please say this.
01:03:00What you are saying is that whoever has income has to pay tax on it.
01:03:03First of all, there are banking transactions.
01:03:05Okay?
01:03:06From that, we get to know about the income.
01:03:07Who is coming to the bank, who is going.
01:03:09The way this business of merchants runs.
01:03:11Often this is our parallel gray economy.
01:03:13It is a cash economy.
01:03:15How will it be defined in it?
01:03:17As it is being told earlier.
01:03:19That this is the size of this shop.
01:03:20So he will pay this much tax.
01:03:21And then the amount is also up to a maximum of 10,000.
01:03:23Which was initially mentioned in the Tajit Dost scheme.
01:03:26So do you think this is a big quick fix?
01:03:30Because there are a lot of gray areas in it.
01:03:33From which benefit can be taken.
01:03:35No, first of all, you clarify.
01:03:38In the Tajit Dost scheme, the tax of 10,000 rupees per month was not told.
01:03:42This is a tax of up to 60,000 per month.
01:03:45By making the basis of different areas.
01:03:48There are also weak areas in a city.
01:03:51There are also business areas.
01:03:53There are also rich areas where people's income is more.
01:03:56So keeping these things in mind.
01:03:59That 100 rupees starts from the month.
01:04:02And 60,000 rupees goes to different areas per month.
01:04:04Let me tell you one thing.
01:04:06The second thing is that tax is based on income.
01:04:11And the expression of income is done in your tax return.
01:04:14When you don't collect your tax return.
01:04:16Then you can't know about your income.
01:04:18Except this one way that the modern world has adopted.
01:04:22That is to put a point of sale on your shop.
01:04:25And your real-time sales should be expressed and integrated.
01:04:29And you should be taken into account by the FDR.
01:04:32Now when it comes to putting a point of sale.
01:04:35Then the merchants are also against it.
01:04:37Obviously, this is a difficult task.
01:04:39They have so many ways.
01:04:40Obviously, the invoices are sometimes fake.
01:04:44It is not original.
01:04:46There is a lot going on.
01:04:48On the one hand, we are seeing that the tax is being taken in percentage.
01:04:52On the other hand, it is up to 100 to 60,000 rupees.
01:04:54So, I don't know how fair it is.
01:04:57Let's see what happens.
01:04:58Thank you so much Mr. Naeem.
01:04:59You were with us.
01:05:00You were talking the whole morning.
01:05:02It is either that we say, give the tax according to this.
01:05:05And if we don't give, then we will collect as much as is required.
01:05:08According to your income.
01:05:09Let's take a break.
01:05:10We will come after the break.
01:05:19So, Anwar Khan, our representative is with us now.
01:05:24We saw that there was a lot of protest in the last few days.
01:05:27Doctors were being tested.
01:05:29There was also an issue of copying.
01:05:31Then the way it was done.
01:05:32About 150,000 students appeared in it.
01:05:35What was the situation?
01:05:36Anwar Khan will tell us more about it.
01:05:39In Sindh, on the MD-CAT test conducted by medical colleges.
01:05:44There are a lot of objections from parents, teachers and doctors.
01:05:48And with regards to the MD-CAT test.
01:05:50It has been revealed that.
01:05:52The accusation of the researchers is.
01:05:54That this paper was leaked on social media before the paper.
01:05:58Or it was out.
01:05:59And along with this.
01:06:01During the MD-CAT examinations.
01:06:03In the worst possible way.
01:06:05A very irresponsible process was revealed.
01:06:07Among thousands of participants.
01:06:09The applicants faced a lot of difficulties.
01:06:11The students said that.
01:06:13Because the paper was leaked.
01:06:15This time also the same situation.
01:06:17Which was present in the results of the MD-CAT before this.
01:06:19So in all aspects of the situation.
01:06:22Students, teachers, parents.
01:06:24And the representative organizations of the doctors.
01:06:26These tests of the MD-CAT.
01:06:28This test has been rejected.
01:06:30And in this regard.
01:06:32The Supreme Court has also refuted it.
01:06:34It has been requested that.
01:06:36Immediately on the basis of the fire.
01:06:38The paper of the MD-CAT test should be out.
01:06:40The leak should be cleared.
01:06:42And the results of the test should be confirmed again.
01:06:44Okay.
01:06:46Thank you so much.
01:06:48Let's go to an important topic.
01:06:50That is related to insects.
01:06:52Insects in the stomach of children.
01:06:54Basically stop their mental and physical addiction.
01:06:56Especially children under the age of 10.
01:06:58The Sindh government has decided.
01:07:00Now the children will be given medicine.
01:07:02Tablets will be given.
01:07:04And it is important.
01:07:06This medicine will be given to the children.
01:07:08And it has started from September 23.
01:07:10This medicine is being given.
01:07:12And the Minister of Health.
01:07:14In Sindh schools.
01:07:165 to 16 year old children.
01:07:18Will be given medicine to kill the insects in the stomach.
01:07:20We are going to start the campaign.
01:07:22Mr. Qadeer Beg is with us.
01:07:24He is the director of the Pakistan Deworming Initiative.
01:07:26Thank you so much for joining us.
01:07:28Sir, thank you so much for coming here.
01:07:30It's my pleasure.
01:07:32This campaign has started.
01:07:34You are with us today.
01:07:36The campaign has started from the 26th.
01:07:38What is the response so far?
01:07:40The response is very good.
01:07:42We have reached almost 50%.
01:07:44Today is the 4th day of the campaign.
01:07:46I was surprised yesterday.
01:07:48Mama Parsi School.
01:07:50St. Patrick's School.
01:07:52These schools were not there before.
01:07:54This credit goes to the media.
01:07:56Last week we had a campaign with the media.
01:07:58With the camera.
01:08:00And we got a very good response.
01:08:02Let me give you a little background.
01:08:04In 2016-17.
01:08:06There was a discussion.
01:08:08That Pakistan is one of the 10 countries.
01:08:10Where worms are found the most.
01:08:12Let's keep that in mind.
01:08:14Then IRD Pakistan.
01:08:16Indus Hospital.
01:08:18And the Government of Pakistan.
01:08:20With the professors of LUMS.
01:08:22We did a lot of research.
01:08:24It was found that.
01:08:26More than 20% prevalence.
01:08:28Is found in 47 districts of Pakistan.
01:08:30And a total of 17.
01:08:322 crore children.
01:08:34Who have worms in their stomachs.
01:08:36WHO guidelines.
01:08:38Says.
01:08:40If prevalence is more than 20%.
01:08:42You have to do mass deworming.
01:08:44This means.
01:08:46This will not be limited to schools.
01:08:48You can go to homes.
01:08:50There are 17 million children.
01:08:525 to 14 years old.
01:08:54And 16 years old.
01:08:56In Karachi.
01:08:58There are 57 lakh children.
01:09:00We are treating 5 to 14 years old.
01:09:022 to 4 years old children.
01:09:04They should also be treated.
01:09:06Dr. Azra Pecho.
01:09:08Started 2 years ago.
01:09:10Adolescent girls.
01:09:1215 to 18 years old.
01:09:14They have a menstruation cycle.
01:09:16They have worms in their stomachs.
01:09:18You talked about harm.
01:09:20What harm does it do to children.
01:09:22If this is not addressed.
01:09:24Our effort is that.
01:09:26Children's nutrition is good.
01:09:28Mental and physical health is better.
01:09:30When there are worms in the stomach.
01:09:32The food will be eaten by worms.
01:09:34Worms or humans.
01:09:36Children will not get nutrition.
01:09:38If there is no nutrition.
01:09:40Body will not grow.
01:09:42Cognitive development will not happen.
01:09:44If both these things do not happen.
01:09:46We will be left behind in life.
01:09:48In the world.
01:09:50In 98 countries.
01:09:52Various programs are running.
01:09:54Some time ago.
01:09:56In developed countries.
01:09:58They have controlled it.
01:10:00We will also control it.
01:10:02And bring it down by 20%.
01:10:04You know.
01:10:06About polio vaccine.
01:10:08Many people are concerned.
01:10:10This campaign has been going on since the 90s.
01:10:12We have not been able to get rid of polio yet.
01:10:14The response is good.
01:10:16Are there any concerns?
01:10:18Public schools have 100% coverage.
01:10:20When we go to private schools.
01:10:22There is a challenge.
01:10:24There is no trust in the private sector.
01:10:26In the government system.
01:10:28They avoid it.
01:10:3030-40% parents say.
01:10:32We have to give medicine to children.
01:10:34It is on consent.
01:10:36In private schools.
01:10:38They do not run without consent.
01:10:40Thank God.
01:10:42Is it for all children?
01:10:44For all children.
01:10:465-14 year old children.
01:10:4815-18 year old children.
01:10:50In two districts.
01:10:52Kaurangi and Kemari.
01:10:54We are giving medicine to 2-4 year old children.
01:10:56The idea is.
01:10:58Government of Sindh.
01:11:00Program for 2-18 year old children.
01:11:02Along with that.
01:11:04Women with reproductive age.
01:11:06Lactating mother.
01:11:08Pregnant women.
01:11:10This is the problem.
01:11:12It should be solved.
01:11:14There should be a medicine.
01:11:16For mental diseases.
01:11:18So that those who do not give medicine.
01:11:20Yes.
01:11:22People are coming forward.
01:11:24We are giving medicine.
01:11:26We are working together.
01:11:28Thank you so much.
01:11:30Thank you for coming here.
01:11:32You have to ensure the health of children.
01:11:34You feed them well.
01:11:36They play the role of middle man.
01:11:38It is very important.
01:11:40We are leaving now.
01:11:42Take care of yourself.
01:11:44Allah Hafiz.