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00:00:00Good morning to you all.
00:00:25The weather is good.
00:00:27In the sense that yesterday we were saying that it will be very hot.
00:00:30Nothing like that happened.
00:00:32As far as we are concerned, the heat that we have endured,
00:00:35yesterday the weather was better.
00:00:37Today's weather is also good.
00:00:39This is Ashfaq Esar Satti, who has already made his presence known.
00:00:43I am Sadaf Abdul Jabbar.
00:00:45Ashfaq, do you remember how we were talking about how Israel
00:00:48made a major explosion in Lebanon.
00:00:52Yes.
00:00:53And now the news.
00:00:54Yesterday it was happening that Lebanon was ordered from Taiwan
00:00:57but in between another company's name, another country's name has been added.
00:01:01They have actually come from Hungary.
00:01:03So a new question has also arisen.
00:01:05But yesterday during the funeral prayer there were also explosions.
00:01:07Yes, there were explosions.
00:01:09And the walkie-talkies were blasted.
00:01:12As a result of this, as per the non-confidential information,
00:01:1620 people have lost their lives.
00:01:18450 people were injured.
00:01:20As you can see, these walkie-talkies were basically from a Japanese company.
00:01:26But these were obsolete models that were used.
00:01:29Now the matter is that Israel apparently did not accept the responsibility.
00:01:33But when Lloyd Austin, who is an American official, was asked
00:01:38what is your opinion on this matter?
00:01:40He said that Israel had told us that they were going to do something in Lebanon.
00:01:42They did not tell us how they were going to do it.
00:01:44This is one.
00:01:45The second is that a Japanese company will investigate
00:01:47how its walkie-talkies were used.
00:01:49But the Israeli Minister of Defense, Mr. Gallant,
00:01:52has praised his security agency, Shinbit,
00:01:58and his secret agency, Mossad,
00:02:02that they have started a new series.
00:02:04We support this.
00:02:06Yesterday we saw that there were explosions in the solar panel.
00:02:09Yes, yes.
00:02:10This is very concerning.
00:02:12They are perhaps interconnected.
00:02:14And there is one more thing.
00:02:16The most important thing is that, for example,
00:02:18when we are doing a show here,
00:02:20what is our means of communication?
00:02:22This is the IFB.
00:02:24Or what are the means of communication in wars?
00:02:28It could be smartphones, walkie-talkies,
00:02:30or pagers as they were doing.
00:02:32The infrastructure of Hezbollah.
00:02:34The impression that is being given is that
00:02:36Israel is going to launch a big offensive.
00:02:38And before that,
00:02:40they have tried to destroy Hezbollah's operational and communication setup.
00:02:45So you can imagine that this is very scary.
00:02:48The whole world should be concerned about this.
00:02:51Because this is a big issue.
00:02:53And you can see that the United Nations has expressed its concern about this.
00:02:57But we should ask about this.
00:03:00Because this is a daily occurrence.
00:03:02Every citizen has access to this.
00:03:04And in conventional warfare,
00:03:08the use of tools and weapons are different.
00:03:12So this is very concerning.
00:03:14People have a large number of mobile phones,
00:03:16pagers, and other devices.
00:03:19Targeting like this.
00:03:21Israel should be questioned about this.
00:03:24Even if they claim it.
00:03:26Who will question Israel?
00:03:28I am just saying that
00:03:30if there is an offensive in any country,
00:03:32and those weapons are going to another country,
00:03:35suppose, I was giving an example yesterday,
00:03:37that if the phones are being made in India,
00:03:39and they are coming to Pakistan without any questioning,
00:03:41then they can be used against us.
00:03:43In the same way,
00:03:45the Japanese company would not have thought
00:03:47that the walkie-talkies would be used in this way.
00:03:50Or the company that makes the pagers,
00:03:52would not have thought at what stage,
00:03:54that is, at the stage of the supply chain,
00:03:56how it would be used.
00:03:58The company's reputation is also questioned here.
00:04:03When a company whose name is being used,
00:04:05whose products are being made,
00:04:07then because of that,
00:04:09the company will be defamed.
00:04:11Actually, this is not just a matter of two countries.
00:04:13The whole world should be involved in this.
00:04:15Because in the whole world,
00:04:17there is export import of these things.
00:04:19And secondly,
00:04:21when we talk about Israel's technology,
00:04:23how it excels itself,
00:04:25and in targeting people,
00:04:27even though it is a small country,
00:04:29the way they targeted the Arab countries,
00:04:31in different countries around the world,
00:04:33is in front of everyone.
00:04:35Let me give you an example of 1996.
00:04:37I mentioned it yesterday as well,
00:04:39that in 1996,
00:04:41a master bomb maker from Hamas,
00:04:43Yahya Ayyash,
00:04:45was assassinated by a mobile bomb.
00:04:47As he was speaking on the phone,
00:04:49his mobile phone was blown up.
00:04:51And remember,
00:04:53this incident took place in 1996.
00:04:55Since 1996,
00:04:57today is 2024,
00:04:59technology has advanced so much.
00:05:01Mr. Waqar was with us,
00:05:03he was saying that drones of the size of a fly,
00:05:05of a mosquito,
00:05:07have been invented.
00:05:09And this is quite possible.
00:05:11Technology has advanced so much.
00:05:13It is a new warfare.
00:05:15And to tackle it,
00:05:17new means will be needed.
00:05:19But when we talk about some conventions,
00:05:21some rules and regulations,
00:05:23and everyone says that it is a Vienna convention,
00:05:25or a Geneva convention,
00:05:27under that,
00:05:29the treaties of the countries are signatory.
00:05:31So we should take care of all these things.
00:05:33And once again,
00:05:35if there is a war,
00:05:37then no one in the world
00:05:39can consider themselves safe.
00:05:41And one thing is that,
00:05:43when Ismail Haniya was attacked,
00:05:45there was a question raised,
00:05:47that the leaders of the world,
00:05:49the leaders of the world,
00:05:51will they consider themselves safe?
00:05:53This was not just about Ismail Haniya.
00:05:55Someone else could have been targeted in that building.
00:05:57The president of Iran could have been targeted.
00:05:59Then the helicopter of the Iranian president,
00:06:01that was also American technology.
00:06:03When the pagers can be blasted here,
00:06:05is it not possible to jam the coms?
00:06:07Anything is possible right now.
00:06:09Because of technology,
00:06:11the way it is advancing,
00:06:13so everybody needs to be very concerned.
00:06:15And we should talk about it.
00:06:17We should take care of it.
00:06:19And we should look at it.
00:06:21Now there should be new rules,
00:06:23when it comes to import and export,
00:06:25especially in Asia,
00:06:27for devices and technology,
00:06:29there should be new rules and regulations.
00:06:31But first there should be an understanding.
00:06:33We should verify it,
00:06:35look at the authenticity,
00:06:37and clear all the matters.
00:06:39This is done.
00:06:41There will be more follow-up updates.
00:06:43The reports that will come,
00:06:45we will definitely share them with you.
00:06:47But let us come to our own country,
00:06:49let us talk about the landscape,
00:06:51let us talk about the political scenario.
00:06:53And the most discussed issue in our country
00:06:55is the bill that was supposed to come on Sunday.
00:06:57And it could not come.
00:06:59And after that,
00:07:01there is a debate about the certification.
00:07:03Whether the certification came or not.
00:07:05So now finally,
00:07:07the government has reached out
00:07:09to the deputies for a consultation on this package.
00:07:11Now the Deputy Minister of Law,
00:07:13addressing the Pakistan Bar and Supreme Bar Council,
00:07:15Azam Nazeer Tarar says that
00:07:17the trial case has been dropped
00:07:19in the civilian military courts.
00:07:21Initially, it was part of the draft
00:07:23that was supposed to come in the bill.
00:07:25Then Maulana and the People's Party
00:07:27opposed it.
00:07:29The reason was stated by the Minister of Law.
00:07:31And he said that the idea of a court
00:07:33was given by Asma Jahangir in 2006.
00:07:35And the People's Party says that
00:07:37when we signed the Charter of Democracy,
00:07:39both the parties had the same wish.
00:07:41So there should be a court.
00:07:43Now let us listen to them.
00:07:45What is the Minister of Law saying?
00:07:47Well,
00:07:49the amendment in the bill is the right of the parliament.
00:07:51And there should not be any alterations
00:07:53to the basic principles of the bill.
00:07:55This is the declaration
00:07:57of the Pakistan Bar Council and the Supreme Court Bar Association.
00:07:59And in this declaration,
00:08:01it is further stated that
00:08:03a committee will be established
00:08:05on the representatives of the deputies
00:08:07for the amendment of the bill.
00:08:09The final approval of the amendment
00:08:11should be shared with this committee.
00:08:13After consultation with the deputies,
00:08:15the amendment of the bill should be made.
00:08:17And no one other than the elected representatives
00:08:19of the deputies
00:08:21has the right to call for a strike.
00:08:23The Supreme Court Bar Association
00:08:25has joined us.
00:08:27Thank you so much for joining us.
00:08:29First of all, tell us,
00:08:31obviously, Sunday has passed.
00:08:33But if all the legislation
00:08:35and amendments would have been made on Sunday,
00:08:37then the situation would have been different.
00:08:39But the government has finally reached out
00:08:41to the deputies for consultation.
00:08:43So do you think
00:08:45if this situation would have been created earlier,
00:08:47if the contacts would have been made earlier,
00:08:49if the consultation would have been made earlier,
00:08:51then the situation would have been different.
00:08:53Do you agree with this?
00:08:55We have been trying
00:08:57to make it clear
00:08:59for a very long time
00:09:01that any such legal package
00:09:03which does not include
00:09:05the consultation of deputies
00:09:07will be a very dishonest exercise.
00:09:09And Alhamdulillah,
00:09:11finally the government
00:09:13has seen the light of the day.
00:09:15And they have shared the package
00:09:17with us.
00:09:19We have also agreed
00:09:21that this package will not be extended
00:09:23without our consent.
00:09:25And we will give our input
00:09:27on this.
00:09:29And we expect
00:09:31all the deputies
00:09:33from all over Pakistan
00:09:35to send this package
00:09:37to the Secretary of the Supreme Court.
00:09:39We will hold regular negotiations
00:09:41with the government
00:09:43on this
00:09:45on behalf of all the deputies.
00:09:47And we will try
00:09:49that no such legal package
00:09:51does not include
00:09:53the consultation of deputies.
00:09:55Please tell us
00:09:57what is the position
00:09:59of the Supreme Court
00:10:01regarding the legal package
00:10:03and the legal court?
00:10:05What are your demands?
00:10:09As far as
00:10:11the legal court is concerned,
00:10:13the legal court has been
00:10:15demanding for a long time
00:10:17that the Bar Associations,
00:10:19the Pakistan Bar Council
00:10:21and the Provincial Bar Councils
00:10:23and the Bar Councils
00:10:25of all the provinces
00:10:27have a high authority
00:10:29in our convention.
00:10:31And all of them
00:10:33unanimously decided
00:10:35that on the basis of the legal court,
00:10:37this is the demand
00:10:39of the Bar Associations.
00:10:41But this
00:10:43demand is in the form
00:10:45that the government
00:10:47should consult with us.
00:10:49What will be the limits?
00:10:51Who will be appointed?
00:10:53That appointment has to be
00:10:55through a transparent process.
00:10:57Therefore,
00:10:59no one has a problem
00:11:01with the legal court.
00:11:03But how
00:11:05we will implement this
00:11:07is what we want to discuss
00:11:09with the government.
00:11:11And we are trying
00:11:13to reach a better
00:11:15direction
00:11:17through a meaningful
00:11:19dialogue.
00:11:21Before this,
00:11:23we saw the claim
00:11:25of the government
00:11:27that it is their right
00:11:29to legislate.
00:11:31It is the right
00:11:33of the parliament.
00:11:35Now, finally,
00:11:37when the proposal
00:11:39is ready,
00:11:41have you prepared
00:11:43a draft proposal?
00:11:47This is a
00:11:49very large question.
00:11:51We have told them
00:11:53that Bukla has commented
00:11:55on a lot of things
00:11:57in today's convention.
00:11:59He has expressed his reservations
00:12:01on a lot of things.
00:12:03It is a blessing of the Law Minister
00:12:05that he has listened to everyone.
00:12:07He has assured us
00:12:09that he will remove
00:12:11all of our reservations
00:12:13and will move forward
00:12:15in a meaningful way.
00:12:17For now,
00:12:19we are satisfied with his assurance.
00:12:21We are looking
00:12:23forward.
00:12:25We have formed a committee.
00:12:27We are trying
00:12:29to bring together
00:12:31the committee
00:12:33to propose
00:12:35a draft proposal.
00:12:37The parliamentary committee
00:12:39has been formed.
00:12:41Do you have a proposal
00:12:43to include Bukla?
00:12:47We do not have a proposal
00:12:49to include Bukla
00:12:51in the parliamentary committee.
00:12:53However,
00:12:55it has been decided
00:12:57that no paper
00:12:59will be processed
00:13:01until Bukla's input
00:13:03is heard.
00:13:05We are satisfied
00:13:07with this assurance.
00:13:09What is your opinion
00:13:11on the appointment
00:13:13of a Chief Justice?
00:13:15Does Bukla agree
00:13:17with this?
00:13:19Can a retired judge
00:13:21also be appointed as a Chief Justice?
00:13:25There are
00:13:27different opinions on this.
00:13:29We have formed a committee
00:13:31which will
00:13:33come up with
00:13:35a solution.
00:13:39This is a dialogue
00:13:41process.
00:13:43We are happy
00:13:45that the government
00:13:47understands
00:13:49that without Bukla's
00:13:51input,
00:13:53judicial reforms
00:13:55cannot be forwarded.
00:13:57We want
00:13:59the government
00:14:01to make
00:14:03a beneficial
00:14:05legislation.
00:14:07We will contribute
00:14:09to this.
00:14:11We hope
00:14:13that our proposal
00:14:15will be taken seriously.
00:14:17Thank you very much.
00:14:19Mr. Shaukat,
00:14:21President of the Supreme Court Bar Association.
00:14:23The good thing is
00:14:25that
00:14:27there is a movie
00:14:29called Curious Case of
00:14:31Benjamin Button.
00:14:33The story begins
00:14:35with old age
00:14:37and ends with a young
00:14:39child's death.
00:14:41The story here is
00:14:43reverse engineering.
00:14:45Now, there is a discussion
00:14:47about the passing of
00:14:49Sunday.
00:14:51When Bilawal Bhutto
00:14:53was speaking,
00:14:55there is a new version
00:14:57from Maulana's Jamaat.
00:14:59If the legislation
00:15:01would have been voted on,
00:15:03what would have happened?
00:15:05This is a question
00:15:07that politicians will
00:15:09answer.
00:15:11What is happening
00:15:13in the world of technology?
00:15:15How far will
00:15:17these advancements
00:15:19go?
00:15:21We will have
00:15:23to see.
00:15:25PUBG is a game
00:15:27that has become
00:15:29so addictive
00:15:31that some people
00:15:33have killed each other.
00:15:35A son tried to kill his father
00:15:37because he did not pay
00:15:39for the internet connection.
00:15:41We have seen
00:15:43such attacks.
00:15:45The news
00:15:47is related to children.
00:15:49Young people
00:15:51are addicted to it.
00:15:53There is a new aspect
00:15:55which is very concerning.
00:15:57Technology is being
00:15:59misused.
00:16:01PUBG's chat option
00:16:03is being used
00:16:05by terrorists.
00:16:07It was accused of
00:16:09self-attack.
00:16:11They said that
00:16:13they planned the attack
00:16:15using PUBG's chat.
00:16:17The group used to
00:16:19message each other.
00:16:21The accused said that
00:16:23other members of the group
00:16:25are in Afghanistan.
00:16:27When was it first
00:16:29discovered that
00:16:31you can use
00:16:33the chat option?
00:16:35Many people
00:16:37should have been
00:16:39aware of this.
00:16:41If this can be used
00:16:43to seduce a girl,
00:16:45is it a safe option?
00:16:47Is everyone
00:16:49paying attention
00:16:51to WhatsApp
00:16:53or other messengers?
00:16:55We have with us
00:16:57Dr. Zahidullah.
00:16:59Thank you for
00:17:01your time.
00:17:03It is very interesting to know
00:17:05because you have
00:17:07found out
00:17:09how it happened.
00:17:11Why did the accused
00:17:13choose the chat option?
00:17:15Is it less attentive?
00:17:17Can it not be monitored?
00:17:19Why?
00:17:23Can you hear me?
00:17:25Yes, we can hear you.
00:17:27Yes.
00:17:29It was very interesting
00:17:31for us as well.
00:17:33It was the first time
00:17:35we saw an app
00:17:37being used by
00:17:39school and college students.
00:17:41They used
00:17:43to connect
00:17:45with each other
00:17:47in a chat group.
00:17:49They used to talk
00:17:51and chat with each other.
00:17:53We have never
00:17:55noticed this before.
00:17:57I have talked to my friends
00:17:59about this.
00:18:01But this is the first time
00:18:03we have seen
00:18:05PUBG being used
00:18:07for such activities.
00:18:09We did not check
00:18:11this app in our routine.
00:18:13This was one reason.
00:18:15The other reason was
00:18:17that you form a team
00:18:19and fight against the enemy.
00:18:21The enemy in this case
00:18:23was the police.
00:18:25Dr. Zahid,
00:18:27now that you have
00:18:29found out that
00:18:31the group is messaging
00:18:33through chat,
00:18:35what will you do next?
00:18:37Now that you have identified
00:18:39the problem,
00:18:41can a gaming chat
00:18:43be monitored?
00:18:45Madam,
00:18:47this is a difficult task
00:18:49because it is encrypted.
00:18:51But for us,
00:18:53it is a good thing
00:18:55that we have found out
00:18:57that we have to keep an eye
00:18:59on this as well.
00:19:01Until you are a member
00:19:03of the chat group,
00:19:05you will not be able to
00:19:07monitor the chat.
00:19:09You will not be able to
00:19:11hear or see
00:19:13what they are saying.
00:19:15Dr. Zahid,
00:19:17I am surprised
00:19:19that this has not happened
00:19:21before in Bushaida.
00:19:23Everyone in Pakistan
00:19:25knows the case of Dua Zahra.
00:19:27She had a tablet
00:19:29without a sim card
00:19:31or messaging software.
00:19:33She was kidnapped
00:19:35from there.
00:19:37That incident was
00:19:39a highlight in Pakistan.
00:19:41When we found out that
00:19:43PUBG was used in it,
00:19:45the security officials
00:19:47and the police should have
00:19:49known that the culprits
00:19:51can also think like this.
00:19:53Obviously, it was not used
00:19:55in terrorism,
00:19:57but it could have been
00:19:59communicated like this.
00:20:01These days,
00:20:03there are so many
00:20:05new apps for
00:20:07the chat group
00:20:09and many of them
00:20:11are encrypted.
00:20:13The police and
00:20:15our intelligence agencies
00:20:17keep an eye on it.
00:20:19We try to
00:20:21keep an eye on
00:20:23terrorism cases.
00:20:25We try to monitor it.
00:20:27However,
00:20:29we also have some limitations
00:20:31in terms of technology.
00:20:33How did you catch them?
00:20:35Dr. Zahidullah,
00:20:37it is obvious that
00:20:39it will not be an easy task.
00:20:45Your question...
00:20:47I was saying that
00:20:49when they used
00:20:51technology so sophisticatedly
00:20:53in this case,
00:20:55how did you catch them?
00:20:57We used
00:20:59both technologies.
00:21:01We had
00:21:03CCTV footages.
00:21:05Our technical team
00:21:07used modern tools
00:21:09and human intelligence.
00:21:11When they came to us,
00:21:13we asked them
00:21:15how this group
00:21:17communicated with each other.
00:21:19These organizations
00:21:21use Telegram
00:21:23a lot.
00:21:25They also use
00:21:27WhatsApp.
00:21:29They told us about
00:21:31PUBG game.
00:21:33We asked them
00:21:35if they have
00:21:37played the game.
00:21:39When you are online,
00:21:41your friends can see
00:21:43that you are online.
00:21:45Then you can create
00:21:47a chat window
00:21:49where your friends
00:21:51can achieve their goals.
00:21:53Different people
00:21:55have different types of
00:21:57guns and targets.
00:22:01We asked them
00:22:03how they used
00:22:05to coordinate
00:22:07and communicate with each other.
00:22:09After that,
00:22:11they used PUBG.
00:22:13Do they practice
00:22:15while playing the game?
00:22:17Yes, they do.
00:22:19In real time,
00:22:21they coordinate
00:22:23and communicate
00:22:25with each other.
00:22:29It's an animated
00:22:31game.
00:22:33They ask each other
00:22:35to move from one place
00:22:37to another.
00:22:39It's a real time scenario.
00:22:43PTA should
00:22:45restrict
00:22:47such games.
00:22:49If you can't monitor it,
00:22:51it should be restricted.
00:22:53It's an addiction.
00:22:55Chats
00:22:57are an option for every app.
00:22:59It's quite difficult.
00:23:01We should keep an eye on it.
00:23:03Thank you so much, Dr. Zahid.
00:23:05Before this,
00:23:07you were talking about
00:23:09how technology is being used
00:23:11in Lebanon.
00:23:13There should be a new
00:23:15social contract.
00:23:17There are some updates.
00:23:19There is a new iPhone.
00:23:21In Tosha Khana 2 case,
00:23:23Islamabad High Court
00:23:25has issued a new ruling.
00:23:27According to National Judicial Policy,
00:23:29the court has to decide
00:23:31on bail in 5 days.
00:23:33Hussain Ahmed Chaudhry
00:23:35will tell us.
00:23:47According to National Judicial Policy,
00:23:49the court has to decide
00:23:51on bail in 5 days.
00:23:53According to policy mandate,
00:23:55the court can decide on bail.
00:23:57The ruling will be issued
00:23:59in 5 working days.
00:24:01According to National Judicial Policy,
00:24:03the court has to decide
00:24:05on bail in 7 days.
00:24:13We'll take a break.
00:24:15Stay with us.
00:24:21Welcome back once again.
00:24:23Let's talk about sports.
00:24:25Today we'll talk about cricket.
00:24:27It's been a long time.
00:24:29Before that,
00:24:31let me tell you that
00:24:33Shahzaib Rehn is a Pakistani fighter.
00:24:35He is a champion of Karate.
00:24:37He defeated Brazilian Harif.
00:24:39It will be a great fight.
00:24:41It's his 6th career fight.
00:24:43He has a record.
00:24:45I hope you followed
00:24:47the fight.
00:24:49He is a champion of Karate.
00:24:51He is known for his ferociousness.
00:24:53It's a big task to defeat
00:24:55Brazilian fighters.
00:24:57Basic forms of Karate
00:24:59are found in Brazil.
00:25:01It's a big task to defeat
00:25:03Brazilian fighters.
00:25:05Basic forms of Karate
00:25:07are found in Brazil.
00:25:09It's a big task to defeat
00:25:11Brazilian fighters.
00:25:13Especially,
00:25:15Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
00:25:17is very famous
00:25:19in martial arts.
00:25:21But still,
00:25:23the way Shahzaib is performing
00:25:25and winning
00:25:27are remarkable.
00:25:29He should be preserved
00:25:31and have proper support.
00:25:33He should have good plans
00:25:35to get himself well-respected
00:25:37in the world.
00:25:39The 6th fight was an unbeatable loss, this is a great record made by Shahzeb.
00:25:44So now, what is happening in the Champions League One Day Cricket Tournament?
00:25:48I am saying that our players are giving performances there.
00:25:51I was watching a clip of Rana Faheem Ashraf, he scored 4 wickets.
00:25:55This is remarkable.
00:25:56Normally, I am surprised that when these players try to perform at the world level,
00:26:02there are very mediocre performances.
00:26:05I am not just talking about them, generally speaking.
00:26:07But there, now you tell me Regana,
00:26:10which talent will come out of these 30 players,
00:26:14or which big name will come out?
00:26:17Have you seen any talent that has come out so far?
00:26:19It is still going on, let's see what more successes are collected in it.
00:26:23So let's talk about the last day,
00:26:25because this was the 3rd consecutive success of Marquess,
00:26:28and the Dolphins team has lost their 2nd match.
00:26:32In the 2nd century, Kamran Ghulam was the hero of the match.
00:26:38Let's take a break now, we will be back after the break.
00:26:47Now we will talk about mother's health,
00:26:50and an issue that especially when we talk about small children,
00:26:54and when we talk about older children,
00:26:56they cannot tell themselves,
00:26:58if they are feeling any pain or suffering,
00:27:02then obviously they cannot speak, they cannot tell.
00:27:05But at this age, if children start having any disease,
00:27:09which becomes very dangerous for them in the future,
00:27:12then how to find out about it?
00:27:13Right now, we are going to talk about the disease of blindness in children,
00:27:17more than 9 children,
00:27:18and if it becomes more severe in the future,
00:27:21then it becomes a cause of great trouble.
00:27:23How to identify it?
00:27:24How to tell the parents that the children are going through this stage?
00:27:29Basically, it happens in premature children,
00:27:31whose birth is in the 7th month,
00:27:33possibly after that.
00:27:35So, this problem occurs more in them.
00:27:38So, what can we do in this?
00:27:40We have with us,
00:27:41President of the Pediatric Association,
00:27:44Federation of Sindh,
00:27:46Prof. Dr. Wasim Jawanvi,
00:27:48is with us once again.
00:27:49Thank you very much for coming.
00:27:51Please tell us,
00:27:52what is ROP?
00:27:54What is this disease basically?
00:27:56And does it occur along with birth,
00:27:58or does it occur gradually?
00:28:02Actually, look,
00:28:03Retinopathy of Prematurity.
00:28:06It is evident from these two words,
00:28:08that the retina,
00:28:10the retina is that part of the eye,
00:28:12that veil,
00:28:13in which all the light, all the colors,
00:28:15that reflection goes there,
00:28:17and then it is generated there,
00:28:19and the part of the brain,
00:28:20in which it has to be transmitted,
00:28:22from where it has to be understood,
00:28:23that part is transferred.
00:28:25This is the work of the retina.
00:28:26Retina is formed in early age,
00:28:29that is, when the child is in the mother's womb,
00:28:31but its blood supply,
00:28:33starts from the 16th week.
00:28:35Vessels start forming,
00:28:37that is, in the mother's womb,
00:28:38it starts from the 16th week,
00:28:40and this process continues for 40 weeks.
00:28:43Okay.
00:28:44Now, actually,
00:28:45now what is its other word?
00:28:46Prematurity.
00:28:47Prematurity.
00:28:48For 40 weeks.
00:28:49For 40 weeks, in the mother's womb.
00:28:51And retinopathy of prematurity,
00:28:53that is, if a child,
00:28:55in the early stage,
00:28:56as you said,
00:28:57it is delivered in 7 months,
00:28:58that is, it is delivered in 28 weeks,
00:29:00then it is approximately 12 weeks behind.
00:29:0312 weeks means 3 months.
00:29:05That is, full term,
00:29:06full term delivery.
00:29:07That is,
00:29:08for 40 weeks,
00:29:09the vessels in the eye,
00:29:11which are blood vessels,
00:29:13which send blood to the retina,
00:29:15they do not grow.
00:29:16Oh.
00:29:17They are stuck there.
00:29:19Okay.
00:29:20In the human body,
00:29:21when cells are forming,
00:29:22when the body is forming,
00:29:23there is a process of apoptosis.
00:29:25Like our hand becomes fixed,
00:29:27like this.
00:29:28For this, fingers are cut in the middle.
00:29:30This is apoptosis,
00:29:31these cells are cut,
00:29:32and this finger becomes like this.
00:29:34Okay.
00:29:35Similarly,
00:29:36this happens in every part of the body.
00:29:38That is, some vessels are forming,
00:29:40and some vessels are breaking.
00:29:42This process is going on,
00:29:43and this is normal.
00:29:44This is normal.
00:29:45This is a normal process.
00:29:46But the children who are delivered early,
00:29:48their process of formation stops,
00:29:50and the process of breaking continues.
00:29:52Oh.
00:29:53Then due to prematurity,
00:29:54it affects the retina.
00:29:55But the point is that
00:29:56not everyone gets affected by it.
00:29:58I mean,
00:29:59I am an example.
00:30:00Now, what happens in this?
00:30:01Three things are very important in this.
00:30:03Actually,
00:30:04one is prematurity,
00:30:05being born before time.
00:30:06Number two,
00:30:07being born weak,
00:30:08that is, low birth weight.
00:30:10In this,
00:30:11the children who are born
00:30:12with less than 1500 grams,
00:30:13like 1250 grams,
00:30:141000 grams,
00:30:15even 750 grams,
00:30:16we have seen that
00:30:17children are delivered.
00:30:18Okay.
00:30:19So, if these children are delivered,
00:30:20then their chances of getting sick
00:30:21also increases.
00:30:22And on the third number,
00:30:23if such children
00:30:24who are delivered
00:30:25at such an early stage,
00:30:26then definitely
00:30:27they need medical attention
00:30:28and checking.
00:30:29So,
00:30:30how is it diagnosed?
00:30:31Yes.
00:30:32So,
00:30:33now,
00:30:34now what happens?
00:30:35If such children
00:30:36are given oxygen,
00:30:37then they
00:30:38have more
00:30:39problems
00:30:40and
00:30:41they
00:30:42have more
00:30:43problems
00:30:44in prematurity
00:30:45affecting retina.
00:30:46Oh.
00:30:47That means,
00:30:48their vessels become
00:30:49fragile
00:30:50and then they
00:30:51start breaking
00:30:52more rapidly.
00:30:53That means,
00:30:54when children
00:30:55are born prematurely
00:30:56at this age,
00:30:57do they stay
00:30:58in incubation?
00:30:59Yes,
00:31:00in incubators.
00:31:01In incubators,
00:31:02there is oxygen
00:31:03etc.
00:31:04It's not compulsory
00:31:05that we keep
00:31:06every child,
00:31:07but if we have
00:31:08a doubt
00:31:09or it is very
00:31:10premature,
00:31:11then we
00:31:12have to give
00:31:13medical attention
00:31:14and then
00:31:15we keep them
00:31:16in incubators.
00:31:17What happens
00:31:18in incubators?
00:31:19In incubators,
00:31:20we provide
00:31:21temperature.
00:31:22Ok.
00:31:23Basically,
00:31:24that is the
00:31:25purpose.
00:31:26And we give
00:31:27artificial temperature
00:31:28so that
00:31:29we can
00:31:30save them
00:31:31from the
00:31:32environmental
00:31:33infection.
00:31:34Ok,
00:31:35now tell me
00:31:36what is the
00:31:37level of
00:31:38screening?
00:31:39Yes.
00:31:40Now,
00:31:41we are
00:31:42the
00:31:43duty bound.
00:31:44The
00:31:45doctors,
00:31:46the medical
00:31:47staff,
00:31:48will
00:31:49consult
00:31:50the
00:31:51IUD
00:31:52department
00:31:53and
00:31:54will
00:31:55contact
00:31:56the
00:31:57doctors
00:31:58and
00:31:59the
00:32:00medical
00:32:01department
00:32:02and
00:32:03the
00:32:04doctors
00:32:05and
00:32:06the
00:32:07medical
00:32:08department
00:32:09to
00:32:11say
00:32:12that
00:32:13he
00:32:14has
00:32:15a
00:32:16safe
00:32:17life,
00:32:18he
00:32:19can
00:32:20continue
00:32:21with
00:32:22the
00:32:23IUD.
00:32:24What
00:32:25do
00:32:26the
00:32:27doctors
00:32:28do?
00:32:29The
00:32:30doctors
00:32:31in
00:32:32Pakistan
00:32:33have
00:32:34a
00:32:35lot of
00:32:36studies
00:32:37and
00:32:38studies say that more than 50-60% of children have this problem. But they have put it in
00:32:44two categories, high-income category and low- and middle-income countries. We are in middle-
00:32:49and low-income countries. In our country, it is more. In our country, if you see, it
00:32:55is divided into two. One is those children who are getting medical attention, that is
00:32:59in hospitals, going to doctors. In my hospital, I am concerned that if we have a premature
00:33:05baby, low birth weight, at the time of his birth, we refer this child to the ophthalmologist
00:33:10to examine if there is a problem of retinopathy or prematurity or not. And then they follow
00:33:17at least for 40 weeks. 40 weeks? 40 weeks of pregnancy. But sir, make me understand one
00:33:24thing. You have told me that it is for 28 weeks, 7 weeks. But in full-term pregnancy,
00:33:29sometimes it is 36 weeks, 37 weeks, 38 weeks. So, all those are at risk? No, no, no. See,
00:33:34the thing is that if a child is delivered for 36 weeks, 37 weeks, then his chances are
00:33:39very nominal and minimal. Okay. The chances have become very low. Because his eye has
00:33:44grown. Oh. Okay. So, in that, the retina has formed. Now, I told you that it starts from
00:33:4916 weeks and goes up to 40 weeks. Now, the baby is delivered in 28 weeks. There, the
00:33:55process has ceased. The process of growth has ceased. Now, there is a gap in between.
00:34:00Now, he has stayed in the hospital for a week or two. This is also a gap. So, we have to
00:34:05examine him for a minimum of 40 weeks of intrauterine life. Whereas, from the day one of the
00:34:10pregnancy, we have completed him for 40 weeks from there. And its main treatment is that
00:34:16it basically has 5 stages of retinopathy. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. The 4 and the 5, that is more
00:34:22problematic. There, there is treatment, surgery and a lot of problems. And ultimately,
00:34:27blindness if it is not picked. But in 1, 2, 3, they say that you just keep an observation
00:34:32and keep observing them. And you keep looking at them. And properly, that is, early stage.
00:34:37That means, it is necessary to have an expert staff there. Doctors, patients should have
00:34:42proper communication in this regard. Yes. See, the thing is that in our field, counselling
00:34:48is very important. Counselling is very important. If we counsel the attendant that after
00:34:53discharging from here, life will be safe. See, now the medical field has advanced a lot.
00:34:58It is like that. Now, neonatology has advanced a lot. Now, in our small hospitals, even tertiary
00:35:05care hospitals are not there. In secondary care hospitals, our peripheries, incubators
00:35:10are present there. It is looking very good. Now, there, we are also saving. Earlier,
00:35:15there was a famous saying that the child who is delivered in 7 months, it is difficult
00:35:19to save him. In 8 months. In 8 months. But things have now changed because of technology
00:35:23and advancement. Now, to save him, Oxygen is being used. Oxygen is causing more problems.
00:35:28It is causing more problems. So, one has to be very careful with that. Thank you very
00:35:32much, Dr. Prof. Waseem Jabbi, for being present with us. And it was a very useful conversation.
00:35:36We will take a break here. We will be back after the break. Stay with us.
00:35:38Bismillah-ur-Rehman-ur-Rahim. Assalam-o-Alaikum. Once again, good morning to all of you. Ashfaq
00:35:48Satti, Sadaf Abdul Jabbar are present in front of you. And the thing is that one hour
00:35:53has passed very well with you. We have also provided you information. Plus, if you miss
00:35:58our show right now, which you should not do, then you can also watch some part of the
00:36:02program at 4 o'clock in the evening. And apart from YouTube, there are other applications
00:36:05where you can watch the entire program. Yes. We are on social media apps where you
00:36:10can get your feedback. Okay, let's talk a little. What we were talking about before,
00:36:15this matter has been under discussion for the past few days, that is, regarding the
00:36:18legal amendment. Now, we are still in contact with Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman. We saw the
00:36:23last day that we met. And Maulana has completely rejected the government's legal amendment
00:36:30yesterday when he gave a media talk, he was saying this. And he says that the government
00:36:35is saying that we have no legal amendment. Whatever has been handed over to us, we have
00:36:39reviewed it. And this legal amendment is not acceptable in any case. So let's hear him
00:36:44out.
00:37:59What should we do?
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00:41:23Murtaza Bhabh sahib, thank you so much.
00:41:25The way the events
00:41:27have been disclosed by
00:41:29Senator Kamran Murtaza sahib
00:41:31that the meeting is going to be
00:41:33at 11 o'clock in the evening
00:41:35and at 2 o'clock in the night,
00:41:37for the first time, there is a competition.
00:41:39We were reading it just now.
00:41:41We reached the 8th article
00:41:43when Bilawal sahib came and
00:41:45when he asked Bilawal sahib
00:41:47if he had read the article,
00:41:49JUI showed concern.
00:41:51So these were the chain of events.
00:41:53Will you endorse what the Senator is saying?
00:41:57Thank you very much, Sadaf.
00:41:59It is true that
00:42:01Bilawal sahib met
00:42:03and all these things are on the record.
00:42:05On the night of the week,
00:42:07Bilawal sahib went to meet Maulana.
00:42:11And on Sunday,
00:42:13he met Maulana sahib again
00:42:15when he came to the Parliament House for a meeting
00:42:17and met again on Monday.
00:42:19All these things have happened
00:42:21with Bilawal sahib and Maulana sahib.
00:42:23But the way Kamran Murtaza sahib
00:42:25has said this,
00:42:27this is not right.
00:42:29Yesterday, when I heard
00:42:31this statement of Bilawal sahib
00:42:33in Badami's show,
00:42:35I issued a clarification
00:42:37and rebutted it
00:42:39that it is wrong to associate
00:42:41such a statement with Bilawal sahib.
00:42:43Bilawal sahib did not say
00:42:45that it is a compulsion
00:42:47and we will support it
00:42:49but we will not initiate it.
00:42:51I am telling you that
00:42:53Bilawal sahib
00:42:55from the first day to the last meeting
00:42:57was only on this point
00:42:59that we should make
00:43:01a legal court
00:43:03and to make a legal court
00:43:05we need to work on
00:43:07all the consensus that can be built.
00:43:09This is about Article 8
00:43:11which has been mentioned specifically.
00:43:13That is why I am requesting you
00:43:15that Bilawal sahib was only
00:43:17talking about a constitutional court.
00:43:19The statement that he has
00:43:21associated with Bilawal sahib
00:43:23is wrong and I understand
00:43:25with great respect that Kamran sahib
00:43:27should not have said this.
00:43:29If there is a meeting of this nature
00:43:31then it is obvious that
00:43:33but are there any minutes
00:43:35that if a person is talking about it
00:43:37then a real version of it should come out.
00:43:39You are also rebutting and
00:43:41he is also giving his opinion.
00:43:43He has the right to say
00:43:45whatever he wants to say.
00:43:47We have not met him in secret.
00:43:49We have met him on record.
00:43:51And we have expressed this
00:43:53and we have said
00:43:55that as much as consensus can be built
00:43:57on this document
00:43:59we need to build consensus.
00:44:01Every person, every political party
00:44:03and every leader has the right
00:44:05to convey their point of view.
00:44:07So Mr. Murtaza sahib,
00:44:09consensus is built when
00:44:11someone reads it and shares it.
00:44:13You have read it.
00:44:15You are a barrister as well.
00:44:17You must have read it now.
00:44:19Let me tell you,
00:44:21there were some points
00:44:23on which the government
00:44:25of Wafaa was working.
00:44:27I have seen those points.
00:44:29A final draft or
00:44:31a final bill
00:44:33has not come out yet
00:44:35because those things
00:44:37had to be approved by the cabinet
00:44:39But Mr. Murtaza sahib,
00:44:41this was going to be voted on.
00:44:43It was being approved.
00:44:45If it had been voted on,
00:44:47it would have become
00:44:49a part of the constitution.
00:44:51And till now,
00:44:53it has not been approved.
00:44:55And if the Maulana had come,
00:44:57the situation would have been different.
00:44:59Ashfaq, let me request you
00:45:01to explain to you
00:45:03the legal procedure.
00:45:05What is the prerequisite
00:45:07for a constitutional amendment?
00:45:09Whether it is in the law
00:45:11or in the constitution,
00:45:13it has to be approved by the cabinet.
00:45:15To the best of my knowledge,
00:45:17no paper was approved by the cabinet.
00:45:19After that, the parliamentary committee
00:45:21was constituted by a speaker
00:45:23four or five days ago,
00:45:25in which various points
00:45:27were discussed.
00:45:29Mr. Khursheed Shah,
00:45:31Mr. Ishaq Dar,
00:45:33and various other members
00:45:35of the parliamentary committee
00:45:37completed their input
00:45:39after consultation
00:45:41and presented their recommendations
00:45:43to the Speaker
00:45:45or to the National Assembly.
00:45:47This process has not been completed yet.
00:45:49You are absolutely right.
00:45:51But all this haste
00:45:53that on Sunday,
00:45:55all the issues will be resolved
00:45:57and on the same day,
00:45:59the cabinet meeting will be held.
00:46:01How much time was given?
00:46:03The meeting started
00:46:05and then it was adjourned.
00:46:07This haste gave the impression
00:46:09that if we had to work so patiently
00:46:11and draft,
00:46:13then more time could have been taken.
00:46:15On Sunday, everything was wrapped up.
00:46:17This created a lot of doubts.
00:46:19On Sunday,
00:46:21things could not be wrapped up.
00:46:23Accordingly,
00:46:25it could not be wrapped up.
00:46:27Let me tell you,
00:46:29if the target was
00:46:31to be completed on Sunday,
00:46:33then this process would have
00:46:35gone towards completion.
00:46:37Then the meeting of the parliamentary committee
00:46:39would not have been held.
00:46:41The meeting of the parliamentary committee
00:46:43was held before the consultation
00:46:45so that the parliamentary committee
00:46:47could finally agree
00:46:49and present its recommendations
00:46:51to the parliament.
00:46:53When there was no consensus
00:46:55in the parliamentary committee,
00:46:57the bill or the requirements
00:46:59of the parliamentary committee
00:47:01could not be agreed upon.
00:47:03Otherwise, you could have
00:47:05convinced everyone.
00:47:07Yes, there were meetings
00:47:09between the political leaders.
00:47:11But suddenly...
00:47:13Ashfaq,
00:47:15let me tell you this with responsibility.
00:47:17The People's Party's point of view
00:47:19regarding the Constitutional Court
00:47:21was agreed upon
00:47:23by all political parties
00:47:25including Maulana.
00:47:27This Constitutional Court
00:47:29should be formed.
00:47:31What will be its limits?
00:47:33What will be its parameters?
00:47:35There needs to be deliberations
00:47:37on this.
00:47:39Mr. Barrister,
00:47:41this was not just a matter
00:47:43of the Constitutional Court.
00:47:45There were many other issues
00:47:47like the limits of the judiciary
00:47:49and the limits of the High Court.
00:47:51What will be the role
00:47:53of the Supreme Court?
00:47:55There were many other issues
00:47:57that were being discussed.
00:47:59The transfer and posting of the judge
00:48:01was also being discussed.
00:48:03There were speculations
00:48:05about it.
00:48:07What has been finalized now?
00:48:09Do you have any information?
00:48:11Ashfaq, nothing is finalized yet.
00:48:13As I requested you,
00:48:15the People's Party has understood
00:48:17that the way the Consensus was
00:48:19built at the time of the 73rd and
00:48:21the 18th Amendment,
00:48:23we are trying in the same way
00:48:25to unite all the political
00:48:27and parliamentary parties
00:48:29on this.
00:48:31Mr. Maulana's point of view is
00:48:33that we should try to build
00:48:35a consensus after deliberations.
00:48:37God willing, all these things are
00:48:39going on.
00:48:41Once the consensus is built,
00:48:43we will see what happens next.
00:48:45But last he spoke,
00:48:47he refused.
00:48:49Mr. Maulana,
00:48:51he is saying that
00:48:53on Sunday morning,
00:48:55there will be a voting on the
00:48:57Constitution.
00:48:59He got to read the Constitution
00:49:01for the first time.
00:49:03When did the People's Party
00:49:05get to read the Constitution
00:49:07for the first time?
00:49:09As I told you,
00:49:11there was a discussion
00:49:13about the points.
00:49:15There was a discussion
00:49:17about the concept
00:49:19and the parameters.
00:49:21All these things
00:49:23have to be finalized.
00:49:25It has not been finalized yet
00:49:27until the discussion is complete.
00:49:29Mr. Murtaza,
00:49:31what was the document
00:49:33that was going to be
00:49:35held at the National Assembly
00:49:37that day?
00:49:39What was the document
00:49:41that was going to be held
00:49:43at the National Assembly
00:49:45that day?
00:49:47If I had approved the document,
00:49:49it would have been presented
00:49:51to the Parliament.
00:49:53But when there was a discussion
00:49:55in the Parliamentary Committee,
00:49:57there were three meetings.
00:49:59The consensus could not be built
00:50:01on that.
00:50:03The consensus could not be built
00:50:05on what, Mr. Murtaza?
00:50:07Did you demand that
00:50:09the Constitution be brought
00:50:11to us in writing
00:50:13or did you demand
00:50:15that it be not brought to us?
00:50:17Look, different political parties
00:50:19have a different point of view.
00:50:21When the discussion took place,
00:50:23everyone conveyed their point of view
00:50:25in their own way.
00:50:27For example,
00:50:29Mr. Kamran Murtaza
00:50:31or Mr. Maulana say that
00:50:33a regular court should exist.
00:50:35But they say that
00:50:37we need to consider
00:50:39that regular court's
00:50:41procedures,
00:50:43Some people propose that the method should come completely to the Parliament, that the Parliament should do this work completely.
00:50:53Some people propose that the work should be with the judges.
00:50:58What is Mr. Bilawal's opinion on this?
00:51:01Because he said in the interview that he does not see anywhere in the world that judges should be elected by the judges.
00:51:07What is his opinion on this?
00:51:09Let me tell you, if you take the example of the United States, the presidents of the United States appoint the judge of the Supreme Court.
00:51:20And after the appointment, it is ratified or its approval is taken from their Congress.
00:51:26In Pakistan, before the 18th Amendment, the presidents used to do this work after consultation with the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
00:51:35When the 18th Amendment came, what was approved in the Constitution was that we should create a balance that two commissions were made for the appointment.
00:51:46One was the Judicial Commission of Pakistan and the other was the Parliamentary Committee.
00:51:50After that, a case is filed in the court in the era of Iftikhar Chaudhary.
00:51:54In this case, the Supreme Court decides that there is no Parliamentary Committee, it is going to decide.
00:52:01After this, the government of that time had to amend the 19th Amendment.
00:52:05And all this work was handed over to the Judicial Commission of Pakistan.
00:52:11In which everyone was appointed.
00:52:13Mr. Bilawal's point of view is that a balance needs to be created in this.
00:52:18And that balance should be created in such a way that there is no monopoly of the government.
00:52:23Nor is there any interest of any judge.
00:52:26They say that there should be a balance in which there should be the representation of the judge.
00:52:30The biggest number should be that of the Honorable Judge.
00:52:34Which is already there.
00:52:36Which is already there.
00:52:37After that, they say that there should be a loyal minister of law, attorney general, etc.
00:52:42From the government.
00:52:44Which is still there.
00:52:45Plus, they say that the members of the Bar Association should also be there.
00:52:49And the fourth thing they say is that there should be a parliamentary committee present in it.
00:52:53And that parliamentary committee should not only be of the government.
00:52:57If you put a parliamentary committee in it, then half of the parliamentary committee should be of the government and half of it should be of the opposition.
00:53:04That is, there should be a representation of the entire parliament.
00:53:06So that the impression does not go from anywhere that this institution is running under a government.
00:53:12It should be an independent institution that operates under the constitution.
00:53:17This is Mr. Bilawal's point of view.
00:53:19So, naturally, there is a need to build consensus on it.
00:53:21And if consensus is built, then we will take it later.
00:53:24But this is a matter of surprise.
00:53:26I have a question.
00:53:27You said that it did not happen as Mr. Bilawal said.
00:53:31I am helpless.
00:53:33If you agitate, then we will support you.
00:53:35So, what is this Article 8, Mr. Kamran Murtaza Bahab?
00:53:39Article 8 talks about trials in my country.
00:53:44It is also about the police.
00:53:47And it is also about the army.
00:53:49About which Mr. Kamran Murtaza is talking.
00:53:52Trials of civilians.
00:53:54I don't know about the technicality.
00:53:58But there is an austere clause in it, which he is talking about.
00:54:03Which again, there is no finality about it.
00:54:07This thing should happen, this thing should not happen.
00:54:10As I said, the thing we need to understand.
00:54:13And Ashfaq, I have a question for you.
00:54:16Do we agree with our current system of justice or not?
00:54:21If we understand that this system is right.
00:54:24That there are thousands of cases in the court.
00:54:29And the cases of legal, legal or political nature.
00:54:33Which the media covers so much.
00:54:36Their hearing happens immediately.
00:54:38But the case of a common man.
00:54:40His hearing does not happen.
00:54:42He does not get justice.
00:54:43If we agree with the system, then it is fine.
00:54:47Mr. Murtaza, but this is a sweeping statement in this respect.
00:54:52That we agree.
00:54:53Pakistan is one of the few countries in the world.
00:54:57Which is overly legislated.
00:54:59There are a lot of legislations here.
00:55:01There is no implementation.
00:55:02As an example, you can imagine.
00:55:05There are 22 lakh cases here.
00:55:07Out of them, 80 or 90% cases are of lower judiciary.
00:55:11Where there is no improvement in this regard.
00:55:14Everyone's focus is on the top.
00:55:16And then it is said that some specific things are lost.
00:55:19I will explain, Ashfaq.
00:55:21The judicial decisions and Article 176 of the Constitution.
00:55:27It talks about separation of powers.
00:55:30And it says that no government can intervene in judicial matters.
00:55:35What policy is to be made for all the judicial matters.
00:55:39How many cases have to be taken up on a daily basis.
00:55:42How many days have to be resolved.
00:55:44These are all judicial matters on which the government does nothing.
00:55:48So again, you are endorsing what I am saying.
00:55:50That there are some things in our system that need to be improved.
00:55:55As a politician, as a lawyer, I am absolutely satisfied.
00:56:00Mr. Murtaza, you are right.
00:56:01I got your point.
00:56:02There is a need for clarity in this.
00:56:03Taking advantage of your presence.
00:56:05You are still in Islamabad or Karachi.
00:56:08Are you looking after the responsibilities of the Mayor of Karachi?
00:56:11Yes, I am in Karachi.
00:56:13You are in Karachi.
00:56:14You are also present in regards to the roads.
00:56:16So we thought we should take advantage of this and ask you.
00:56:19Some money has been issued.
00:56:211.5 to 2 billion rupees for repair.
00:56:23To whom have these funds been released?
00:56:26To the same government that built the roads earlier?
00:56:29I would like to request you.
00:56:31When I went to Islamabad and met the Prime Minister.
00:56:35I talked about the development agenda.
00:56:39In Karachi, there is a need to expedite the projects of the PSDP.
00:56:44There are some projects whose approval is pending at a loyal level.
00:56:49I was going through that.
00:56:51Similarly, I met the Prime Minister of Sindh yesterday.
00:56:54The Prime Minister of Baldiyat was also in it.
00:56:56We were agitating this point.
00:56:59We need the help of the government of Sindh to rehabilitate the condition of the roads.
00:57:07The Prime Minister of Sindh has approved it in two parts.
00:57:111. The big cities of the city.
00:57:13We are being issued funds for that.
00:57:17So that we can rehabilitate them.
00:57:19The inner streets.
00:57:21The streets of the neighborhood.
00:57:24We will issue funds for that as well.
00:57:26We will work within the boundaries of the city.
00:57:29The KMC will not do that.
00:57:31The local government department will do that.
00:57:34Will the KMC be investigated by the same people who built the roads earlier?
00:57:40Or will this tender be given to someone else?
00:57:43Ashfaq, the investigation is the same.
00:57:45We cannot change the investigation.
00:57:47But yes, I have suspended the people who were involved.
00:57:51They are not on the posting right now.
00:57:54Okay.
00:57:56This is also a matter of road rehabilitation.
00:57:59Mr. Murtaza, we want to bring this to your notice.
00:58:02Obviously, there are office timings.
00:58:04If the road is rehabilitated during the day,
00:58:06then people face difficulties.
00:58:08And then it increases in traffic.
00:58:10So if it is in such a situation,
00:58:12when there is not much traffic,
00:58:14and there are no people,
00:58:16then it will not be appropriate.
00:58:18You are right.
00:58:21We will work on that only when the traffic hours are over at night.
00:58:27We have to work in the inner lanes during the day.
00:58:31But I agree with what you said.
00:58:34To avoid traffic congestion,
00:58:36and to relieve people of their difficulties,
00:58:39that work should be done in the late hours.
00:58:41And this is our target.
00:58:43Road rehabilitation should be done in the late hours at night.
00:58:46Thank you so much.
00:58:48Mr. Murtaza Wahab, you are the translator of Bilawul Bhutto Zardari.
00:58:52And you are the mayor of Karachi.
00:58:54But Mr. Murtaza Wahab totally denied what Senator Murtaza Wahab said.
00:58:58Senator?
00:59:00Mr. Murtaza Wahab totally denied what Senator Kamran Murtaza Wahab said.
00:59:04He said there was no such thing.
00:59:06So now...
00:59:08Let's take a break after the break.
00:59:11Pakistan Stock Market
00:59:17The news here is that Pakistan's stock market is still growing fast.
00:59:23And the 100 index has crossed the 81,000 mark.
00:59:26With an increase of 1225 points, it is trading at 686 points.
00:59:31Along with that, stock experts say that there is a shortage of interest rates.
00:59:35And due to the IMF's possibility of accepting loans,
00:59:38confidence in the investors is being seen.
00:59:44And now let's move on to such an incident.
00:59:46Such incidents have happened in the past.
00:59:49And we have been raising our voice on the media platform.
00:59:52But when we look at what is done to prevent such incidents,
00:59:57there are no special measures.
01:00:00Now, the district of Balochistan, Jafrabad,
01:00:03there we can see that in a private school,
01:00:065 students have been accused of abuse.
01:00:09Now this is dangerous.
01:00:11Who are the accused?
01:00:13The school principal, the warden, and the principal's brother.
01:00:16The accused has also admitted to abusing the children.
01:00:21And these children were staying in the school hostel.
01:00:24The innocent children, the little girls,
01:00:27the school staff has admitted to abusing them.
01:00:30Now the police have arrested them.
01:00:32The principal and warden have been arrested.
01:00:34And they have also admitted.
01:00:36But how long has this been going on?
01:00:39How did this happen to us?
01:00:41Let's talk about this.
01:00:42SSP Jafrabad Attaur Rehman Khan is with us.
01:00:45Mr. Attaur Rehman, thank you very much.
01:00:47You took out time for us.
01:00:48Tell us, when and how did this incident occur?
01:00:53How many children are getting education in this school?
01:00:57To which class?
01:00:59Thank you, Ashfaq.
01:01:01Thank you, Arbaikha, for bringing me to this matter.
01:01:05This incident happened on the 17th of December,
01:01:08on the 12th of Rabul Awal.
01:01:10The father of a child, Zahid Hussain,
01:01:13son of Khamisah Khan,
01:01:15came to the police station and reported
01:01:18that he has a 10-year-old son.
01:01:22His name is Ghulam Rasool.
01:01:25He is 11 years old.
01:01:27He reported that the principal of the college
01:01:30mistreated him.
01:01:33In the meanwhile, when the police arrived,
01:01:36they arrested the principal and the hostel warden.
01:01:40Four other parents came with their children.
01:01:44They said that the principal and his brother,
01:01:48Abdul Latif, mistreated their children.
01:01:52When the children were sent for medical tests,
01:01:56the doctor confirmed that the children
01:01:59have been mistreated.
01:02:01Multiple attempts have been made.
01:02:04The accused himself said that
01:02:07he has been mistreating his children
01:02:10for the past six months.
01:02:13How long has this school been registered?
01:02:17Was the principal appointed here?
01:02:20How long has he been appointed?
01:02:23We are checking the school registration
01:02:26through the district administration.
01:02:29He has been running the boarding school for two years.
01:02:33180 students study here.
01:02:35They are between 10 and 12 years old.
01:02:38The hostel warden said that the children
01:02:41come from remote areas.
01:02:43What is the reason for the hostel?
01:02:46Are there only children in this school?
01:02:49Is it a co-school?
01:02:51There are only male children in this school.
01:02:54They have been admitted to this boarding school
01:02:58from the far flung areas of Sindh and Balochistan.
01:03:02The school fee is nominal.
01:03:05It is not a standard school.
01:03:08We have sent further registration.
01:03:11It will be sent soon.
01:03:14The people who were sending their children
01:03:18to this boarding school,
01:03:21what were they keeping in mind?
01:03:24Was there an educational standard?
01:03:27Most of the parents are illiterate.
01:03:30They work as labourers.
01:03:33The fees are nominal.
01:03:36Rs. 1,500 is for day school.
01:03:39The hostel boarding fee is Rs. 10,000.
01:03:42The hostel boarding fee is Rs. 10,000.
01:03:45The hostel boarding fee is Rs. 10,000 per month.
01:03:49But the parents had a communication gap.
01:03:53They were admitted here.
01:03:56They did not know what was happening to their children.
01:04:00How far has the investigation reached?
01:04:03Who are the fugitives?
01:04:06The principal of the school is under arrest.
01:04:11His brother is on the run.
01:04:14We have sent a team to Punjab.
01:04:17He will be arrested soon.
01:04:20The warden of the school is also in custody.
01:04:24We have sent samples of their children.
01:04:28We have set up a special investigation team.
01:04:32We will keep you updated on the investigation.
01:04:37We will keep you updated on the investigation.
01:04:40We will keep you updated on the investigation.
01:05:10Iman won a gold medal in the mixed martial arts Asian championship.
01:05:16Iman Khan won a medical medal in the first round.
01:05:27She must not be feeling healthy.
01:05:31Iman is with us.
01:05:34We were talking about this during the break.
01:05:39It is never easy.
01:05:41Boxing is easier.
01:05:43You have to take a break if you are fighting.
01:05:46You have to stop if you are knocked down.
01:05:48It is a game of punches.
01:05:50This is a full-body game.
01:05:52There is fighting and grappling.
01:05:55There are many things.
01:05:57Thank you for having me on the show.
01:06:00All contact sports are dangerous to a degree.
01:06:04Football is not full contact.
01:06:07People get injured.
01:06:10The difference between boxing and MMA.
01:06:15In boxing, there are more brain damage concussions.
01:06:21Because of the standing aid count.
01:06:24Over a time period.
01:06:28In boxing, when you are knocked down.
01:06:32You get 10 seconds to recover.
01:06:35In MMA, the fight is over immediately.
01:06:40In boxing, you get 3 chances in one round.
01:06:44And 4 chances in the whole fight.
01:06:46Not always.
01:06:48Sometimes there is no knockdown rule.
01:06:51It depends on the severity of the knockdown.
01:06:54The standing aid count is more harmful in the long run.
01:06:59I don't think MMA is not harmful.
01:07:02How did you become a self-defender?
01:07:05I started self-defense in 2014.
01:07:09When I was feeling a bit unsafe.
01:07:12Living outside the country.
01:07:15I was feeling unsafe in my mind and body.
01:07:18I felt very under confident.
01:07:20I wanted to become stronger.
01:07:24I started with Krav Maga.
01:07:26When I came to Pakistan.
01:07:29I started kickboxing.
01:07:31Since 2017-2018.
01:07:34I have been training with one coach.
01:07:37Arizwan Khan from K7.
01:07:40He brought me to such a high level.
01:07:44Who do you follow?
01:07:48There are quite a few big names.
01:07:55Pakistani athletes are also rising.
01:07:58Shahzeb Brin.
01:08:00He won the world championship at Karate Combat.
01:08:03Anita Kareem.
01:08:05She is our first female MMA fighter from Pakistan.
01:08:09These type of people from Pakistan.
01:08:11I look up to them also.
01:08:13Valentina Shevchenko.
01:08:15She is in the UFC.
01:08:17Changwei Li.
01:08:19She is also from China.
01:08:21There are so many fighters.
01:08:23Amanda Nunez.
01:08:25She has been brilliant.
01:08:27Holly Holmes.
01:08:29Ronda Rousey.
01:08:31She paved the way for females in MMA.
01:08:34Do you think there are other girls like you?
01:08:38Do you think there is an atmosphere here?
01:08:41Of course.
01:08:43SA Gardens is a national tournament.
01:08:46It is hosted by NFT.
01:08:48It is held in November-December.
01:08:51In Lahore.
01:08:53I have been a national champion twice.
01:08:56In my category.
01:08:58In that championship.
01:09:00In the last two years.
01:09:02I have seen such an uptake in females.
01:09:05The level of fighting.
01:09:07It is not at the level that we can represent internationally.
01:09:11It is there.
01:09:13But when you leave Pakistan.
01:09:15You see a big level shift.
01:09:19You need proper training camps.
01:09:24You need proper fitness.
01:09:26You need strength and training coaches.
01:09:29You need Jiu Jitsu.
01:09:31You need Sambo.
01:09:33It is a full body workout.
01:09:35What do you excel in?
01:09:37Striking? Grappling?
01:09:39My base is in striking.
01:09:41Kickboxing, Muay Thai.
01:09:43I really love wrestling and grappling.
01:09:46There is so much to do and learn.
01:09:49There is not a lot of time to learn everything.
01:09:52But I really love wrestling.
01:09:54What is your future plan?
01:09:58Karate combat.
01:10:01Shazeb won his belt last night.
01:10:05It is a big event.
01:10:07I have a fight in Abu Dhabi in December.
01:10:11Pray for me.
01:10:13We will pray for your health and success.
01:10:19The use of elbows and ground and pound.
01:10:24These are the things that scare us the most.
01:10:27Every part of your body is a weapon.
01:10:29I hope you will train for that.
01:10:32We don't just train for offense.
01:10:35We also train for defense.
01:10:37Strength training, skills training.
01:10:41It is also focused on defense.
01:10:44Hit and don't get hit.
01:10:46To some degree, you will get attacked by the other person.
01:10:51But I will try to avoid getting hit.
01:10:55Our prayers are with you.
01:10:57Fulfill your dreams.
01:11:00And make Pakistan proud.
01:11:02Thank you for coming on our show.
01:11:04It is time to say goodbye.
01:11:07I don't want to say goodbye.
01:11:09But Sadaf Abdul Jabbar is leaving.
01:11:11Be happy with your expenses.
01:11:13Stay blessed.