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00:00In order to maintain the presence of the country in the Escoda Shoal,
00:04we will talk with Undersecretary Alexander Lopez,
00:09the spokesperson of the National Maritime Council.
00:12Yusef Lopez, good afternoon.
00:14Good afternoon, Ms. Nina and Asek Wang,
00:19and to our millions of viewers this afternoon.
00:23Thank you very much.
00:25We've been talking about what's happening in the Escoda Shoal for a few days now.
00:31But in order for our countrymen to understand,
00:34what does it mean to have a strategic presence,
00:38particularly in the Escoda Shoal?
00:42The strategic presence is actually an order of our President
00:48that our ability or capability to detect,
00:53meaning matuklas or matuklasan,
00:57to identify, kilalanin,
01:00kung ano man yung sininandun sa loob ng shoal,
01:04at kung kinakailangan ay to deter o hadlangan
01:09kung ano man yung mga illegal activities na nangyari sa shoal.
01:13So sir, ano pa po ba yung iba pang paraan para i-monitor at nabantayan yung Escoda Shoal?
01:19Ang ginagawa natin, katulad ng nangyari nung saan,
01:21ay nagtalaga tayo ng isang barko.
01:24Pero hindi lang yun ang pamamaraan.
01:26Maraming pang pamamaraan.
01:28Pwedeng technicalidad, technical,
01:31pagpapalipad ng aeroplano,
01:33at paggamit din ng ating mga mga ingisda
01:36para magbigay na informasyon na kinakailangan natin
01:39para sabihin natin, alam natin yung nangyari dun sa lugar na yun.
01:44So ano po ang masasabi ninyo, sir, sa pangamba
01:47ng ilan nating mga kababayan na baka raw
01:50isuko na ang Escoda Shoal
01:52o maulit daw po yung 2012 Scarborough Shoal standoff?
01:55Klarong-klaro naman sa mensahin ng ating pangulo,
01:59ang posisyon ng ating gobyerno.
02:01Hindi tayo susuko.
02:02We will not abandon even a square inch of our territory.
02:06Not even to a superpower.
02:09Yung nangyari sa Scarborough Shoal ay isang lessons learned natin.
02:13Pero i-sabihin,
02:17naunahan tayo, meaning hindi sumunod yung
02:20sa kasunduan kasi in China,
02:22na umalis tayo, pero sila hindi umalis.
02:25Nagdagdag pa sila ng pwersa,
02:27so in effect, na-control nila yung pagpasok doon sa Shoal.
02:31Sa Escoda naman, kung bibigay natin ng perspektiba,
02:35ito ay binubuo ng Manila,
02:38Caloocan, Navotas,
02:40at ganun siya kalaki.
02:43Hindi siya katulad ng Scarborough Shoal na mayroon isang pintuan,
02:46na dahil binarahan na sana ng China,
02:48hindi natin makapasok.
02:50Samantalang Escoda ay is a vast area
02:53na maraming lagusan, maraming papasukan.
02:57So hindi niya pwedeng sarahan yun.
02:59Siguro pwede niya gawin.
03:01Tampakan niya ng mga, siguro sa libo, dalawang libong bargo,
03:04para talaga ngan, pero
03:05sa laki na lugar ay hindi mangyayari yung sa Scarborough Shoal.
03:10Makakapasok tayo, makakapasok.
03:12Makakapagpatrolla tayo, makapagpatrolla,
03:14at pwede tayong lumipad ng aeroplano,
03:16at meron rin tayong technical capabilities.
03:18So ganun pala kalawak yun.
03:20Mas malapit ba Escoda Shoal compared to Scarborough?
03:26Mas, ang Scarborough, halos pareho sila.
03:28Ang Scarborough kasi is 120 nautical miles from Zambales.
03:33Ang Escoda Shoal naman is about 75 nautical miles from Palawan.
03:40So in terms of distance, mas malapit yung Escoda sa Pilipinas.
03:45Pero sa bandang Palawan.
03:48Ang Scarborough Shoal sa bandang norte.
03:49Pero ito kasi nakakabahala yung report a few days ago,
03:52more than 60 Chinese vessels na rao ang nakita diyan
03:55nung umalis po tayo.
03:58Tama yun, kasi yung pagbilang ng ating armed forces
04:01on a weekly basis.
04:03So from Monday to Sunday,
04:05so natatali nila yung mga barkong pumupunpan doon at lumalabas.
04:12Kasi yung Shoal, para maintindihan lahat,
04:16it gives a protection kasi.
04:17Pag minsan, pag may mga bagyo, malalakang alon,
04:20pag nandito yung alon, pupuntala sa kabila,
04:24so medyo protectado sila.
04:26So basically, doon naglalaro yung mga vessels ng China.
04:31Pero yung mga vessels na yun, nagpapalit-palit din po sila?
04:33Nagpapalit-palit din sila.
04:35Hindi sila permanente doon.
04:37Pero dumami po ito, no?
04:39Compared to when Teresa Magbanoa was there?
04:42Kung ang time frame natin is before yung umalis yung Magbanoa,
04:48marami talaga.
04:49Pero yung umalis yung Magbanoa,
04:51kumunti din sila.
04:52Especially now.
04:54Especially now, yung masama yung panahon, no?
04:56Mahirap din na noon.
04:58Kasi alun-alunin sila.
04:59So marami rin umalis.
05:00Marami rin umalis.
05:02So sir, sa tingin ninyo,
05:03ano po yung maaaring tulong na pwedeng ibigay
05:06ng mga ka-alyansa natin ng bansa
05:08para sa pagbawantay ng West Philippine Sea?
05:10Actually, papasalamat tayo sa mga tulong
05:14or even statements of support sa ating mga ka-alyansa.
05:17Bagong alyansa at yung mga traditional alyansa natin.
05:21Meaning, statements of support pa lang,
05:23malaking bagay na yun.
05:24Pero kung makakapagbigay silang
05:26government-to-government agreements like grants,
05:30pagbibigay ng mga panibagong,
05:33di actual pagbibigay, no?
05:35Binibili pa rin natin yung mga barko
05:37para lang magbigay ng added assets,
05:40especially ating Philippine Coast Guard
05:42and also for the Armed Forces of the Philippines,
05:44in particular the Philippine Navy.
05:46Para dumami ating mga barko,
05:49para our capability to patrol and cover a bigger area,
05:55ay magampa na natin.
05:57So you think, sir, it's time to ask for help?
06:00In terms of what?
06:03Sa lahat ng aspeto nung pagbibantay, pagpaprotecta?
06:06Yung capability development ay tuloy-tuloy yun.
06:11Actually, even when I was still in the service,
06:13tuloy-tuloy naman yun.
06:15Ang siguro natataon tayo yung sinasabing statement,
06:19I mean, yung escort support.
06:21Sa atin naman, again,
06:23papasalamat tayo na dun yung kanilang...
06:26Pero hindi naman porke may problema tayo,
06:29kaya dudulong kagad tayo.
06:30Kasi, well, we have a dignity as a nation, no?
06:34Kaya pa naman natin.
06:35Siguro when push comes to shove,
06:37when worst comes to worst,
06:39and that will be an executive decision
06:42whether we will accede to the request
06:43or we will ask for the result.
06:46So it's an executive decision.
06:48So, so far, sa tingin niyo po...
06:50Kaya pa.
06:51Kaya pa po.
06:51Kaya pa.
06:52Kaya pa naman.
06:53Tsaka marami tayong pamaraan, e.
06:54Sabi ko nga, e.
06:55Marami pamaraan.
06:56Okay.
06:57Well, sa ngayon po,
06:58kumusa po yung kondisyon
06:59ng mga crew members
07:00ng Teresa Magbanoa
07:01na kasama po sa deployment
07:03dyan po sa Escoda Shoal,
07:05lalo na po yung mga nagkasakit
07:06at yung mga dinala po sa ospital
07:08matapos silang bumalik ng Palawan?
07:10Gusto natin ipabilit
07:12la rin sa ating kababayan.
07:13Yung mga naka-dextrose
07:15na nakita ng ibang bahay,
07:16okay na po.
07:17They are already,
07:18ang tawagan natin yun,
07:19in full duty status na ulit sila.
07:21Back to normal status.
07:23So,
07:25nagpapahinga lang po sila ngayon,
07:26and the other crews are being given
07:28yung kanilang parang
07:31psychological, mental rehabitation
07:33para lang mabalik yung kanilang
07:37full 100% status
07:39and willingness to go back to sea.
07:42Gaano po ba sila katagalanan dun?
07:44More than five months actually.
07:46So, just imagine.
07:47Yung psychological effect,
07:49yung naubusan sila ng
07:51depleted yung kalang provisions.
07:54So, things like that.
07:56Do you think mapapalitan sila,
07:58I mean yung magdalagay po kayo,
07:59magde-deploy kayo ng bagong crew,
08:01bagong barko?
08:03That is part of our
08:05strategic presence.
08:06Whether we bring in a new ship
08:09or do it in another way,
08:12aerial and what have you.
08:14So, basta ang ano natin dun,
08:16hindi natin i-abandon na
08:17and we will have a 24-7
08:20monitoring and detection capability
08:22around the area.
08:24So, sir, ano naman po yung masasabi ninyo
08:26sa babala ng China na umanoy
08:28they would crash any incursion
08:30sa West Philippine Sea?
08:32Alam ninyo, wala namang bago
08:34sa narrative nilang yun.
08:36They have issued
08:38same narrative,
08:39different context lang.
08:41So, basically, it's an intimidation.
08:43Intimidation on their part.
08:45At nakikita namin yung
08:47target audience kasi ilo is internal.
08:49Kasi sa ating kalyado
08:52and even the like-minded nations,
08:55nobody believes, nobody buys
08:58that narrative.
09:00So, ngayon po, sir, isinasulong din
09:02ang panukalang batas
09:03para sa pagpapaiting
09:04ng kapasidad ng PCG.
09:06Ano po ang kahalagahan nito?
09:08At ano po yung mga
09:09pagpapaiting na kapasidad na ito?
09:11Well, sana nga
09:13ma-isa batas na yung ano.
09:15Para lang talaga maging
09:18capable, fully capable
09:20ang Philippine Coast Guard.
09:21Can you just imagine?
09:22The Philippines is a highly
09:24archipelagic and maritime nation.
09:26So, it follows
09:28dapat yung capability ng gobyerno
09:31to cover the vast expanse
09:34of water.
09:36Should be there.
09:36So, dapat bigyan ng capability nya
09:39in terms of assets,
09:41ships, vessels,
09:43and technical also capability.
09:45So, ipapabigyan natin yung
09:48konteksto.
09:49Yung ratio of land is to water
09:52is about 1 is to 7.
09:55Meaning,
09:57meron tayong 300 square kilometers
10:00of land
10:01as against 2 million square kilometers
10:04of water.
10:05So, that's how big
10:07and yung disparity between
10:08our water as to land.
10:10Kaya dapat talaga, no?
10:12Bigyan ng pansin.
10:13At dagdagan pa po kasi kulang.
10:15Kulang na kulang po eh, di ba?
10:17Kulang.
10:17Kulang tayo.
10:18Tingin po ninyo, yun naman ang realidada.
10:20So,
10:22ano po yung pinaka-kailangan ngayon
10:23ng Coast Guard?
10:24Para mapalakas pa natin yun?
10:26Magdagdag pa ng maraming barko?
10:28Tapatan natin yung number ng barko nila?
10:30Ganun po ba?
10:30Well, as much as possible,
10:32if we have the
10:33wherewithal, no?
10:35That will only explain na
10:38ganun karami dapat ang kailangan natin.
10:40You just imagine yung
10:41dahil sa laki din ng ano, no?
10:43Yung kabila, no?
10:44Yung ganun karami sila makapag-deploy.
10:46Dapat ganun din tayo.
10:47Kung 60 sila, 60 rin tayo.
10:50Para hindi sila tayo,
10:52hindi tayo mabuli.
10:55Eh, sa ngayon, ilang kaya yung nandun?
10:58Kasi po, may 60 raw ngayon.
10:59Two days ago, that was the report na
11:01may 60 plus Chinese vessels.
11:05One thing good about here is that
11:06we, the nature is our ally.
11:11Bagyo ay kakampi natin.
11:13So, pag may bagyo, aalis po sila.
11:15Pero so ngayon, do we have,
11:17how many ships kaya ang meron sa atin dun?
11:19Ano pa yung presence po natin sa ngayon?
11:21I cannot divulge the number.
11:23But in combination with the armed forces of the Philippines,
11:26in particular yung ating Philippine Navy,
11:29ay nag-continuous naman ang ating pagpapatrolya.
11:33Continuous ang ating paglalayag para,
11:37again, mapanatili natin ang ating prusensya sa lugar na yon.
11:41Okay, sir. Meron po tayong tanong
11:43wala sa kasama natin sa media,
11:45na si Harley Valbuena ng DZME.
11:48Bukas po ba kayo sa sugestion ni Senator Francis Tolentino
11:52na mag-lease o umupan ng mga barko mula sa ibang bansa
11:55upang mapaiting ang prusensya at pagbabantay sa West Philippine Sea?
12:01Apo, tama po yun.
12:03Actually, parang a stopgap measure.
12:06So, habang wala pa tayo talaga atin,
12:09it's an area, it's an option,
12:11siguro mag-arquilla tayo.
12:12Maganda po yung suggestion ni Senator Tolentino.
12:15In fact, pinag-iisipan na po yun dati
12:18na para madagdagan yung ating barko,
12:22ay umupan muna kaya-kaya tayo.
12:24Hindi mo kailangan bumili?
12:25No, hindi po.
12:26Kasi mas cost-efficient?
12:29Maybe.
12:29Or more cost-effective? Mas mura kasi.
12:31Kasi ibabalik mo rin.
12:33Hindi mo kailangan in-maintain.
12:35Alright, so ang mensaheng nyo na lang po
12:37sa ating mga kababayan na nakatutok sa atin ngayon?
12:41Para sa ating mga kababayan,
12:44klarong-klaro po ang posisyon ng ating giberno.
12:47Klarong-klaro po ang ating Pangulo,
12:50Pangulong Bongbong Marcos Jr.,
12:53na wala tayong isusuko o i-abandon
12:57even a square inch of our territory
13:01to a foreign power.
13:03At ginagawa po nating lahat
13:05para mabantayan,
13:08ma-cover ang ating napakalawak na karagatan.
13:11At para sa ating mga mangingisda naman na apektado,
13:16meron din programa po ang ating gobyerno.
13:18In particular, ang ating Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources.
13:24So meron pong programang gobyerno para sa inyo.
13:28Kaya dati po nakikita nyo,
13:29nag-susupply sila ng mga fuel sa lugar ninyo,
13:34nagbibigay sila ng mga pagkain at tubig.
13:38Tuloy-tuloy po yung mangyayari po nyo.
13:40So wag ho kayong mabahala.
13:42Our ship is in stable condition.
13:46Maraming salamat po sa inyong oras.
13:49Undersecretary Alexander Lopez,
13:51ang tagapagsalita ng National Maritime Council.