24 Hours in Police Custody S01E01 The Conspiracy to Murder (29 September 2014)
24 Hours in Police Custody S01E01 The Conspiracy to Murder
Original air date (29 September 2014)
This episode opens with the dawn arrest of a man on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. The film documents the work of the lead detectives as they investigate and interview the suspect.
Original air date (29 September 2014)
This episode opens with the dawn arrest of a man on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. The film documents the work of the lead detectives as they investigate and interview the suspect.
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00:00:00Alpha India 1-1. Alpha India 1-1 go ahead. Just thought I'd make you aware that the convoy
00:00:14is now making its way to URN 3-0-9. Yeah, all copy, thank you. What we've got is this
00:00:27morning's suspect number 6, Mayboo Baig, born 1982. We'll send half of you round the back
00:00:35and the other half at the front. Just a gentle knock in, see if there's a reply at the door
00:00:39and if there is no reply then entry will be forced. There it is. You see the little porch
00:00:46with the black door? It's got a camera on the front. Just abandon it. Please come to
00:01:09the door please. Hi Mr Baig, can we go in the house please? We've got a warrant to search your
00:01:25address. That's alright mate, we do these things early unfortunately. You can go into your lounge.
00:01:30Is it alright to go in there? Yeah.
00:01:39Right Mr Baig, I'm arresting you on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. The circumstances being
00:01:45that information has been received to suggest that you were involved in the shooting of Atif Ali
00:01:49in Leicester Road on or about the 20th of May. I do not have to say anything but it may harm your
00:01:54defence if you do not mention when questioned something of a fatal line in court. Anything
00:01:57you do say may be given in evidence, do you understand? Yes. I'm going to have to handcuff
00:02:01you unfortunately so you can get some socks and shoes on for us. That was good, it's in.
00:02:07Is that the guy in there? Yeah. He's massive isn't he? Big old boy.
00:02:25Once a suspect is in custody, the police have 24 hours to investigate and interview.
00:02:33After that, it's either charge or release. You have been arrested on suspicion of human
00:02:39trafficking. On suspicion of stalking. On suspicion of GBH. Possession and making of
00:02:45indecent images of children. On suspicion of conspiracy to murder. Start explaining.
00:02:54It's the police's job to ask what really happened. Where were you on the 28th of March? It was not
00:03:00me, I was not there. That could have been 101 people but it's nothing to do with me.
00:03:10Police! Open the door now!
00:03:16Who's innocent? Who's guilty? Why would Pete say that he'd assaulted him? Because he's deluded,
00:03:23he's drunk. Well that's nonsense. Police! Drop your hands! From the streets to the interrogation
00:03:30rooms. Where's the knife? Did you have a knife? He makes specific threat that he is going to kill her.
00:03:37From the suspects to the head of CID. That's one hell of a shirt David, I'm loving it.
00:03:45These are the men and women who have just 24 hours to find the evidence.
00:03:49I'm not letting him get away with it. I want him nicked and charged.
00:03:54If he kicks off I'm out of the door. I'm a lover not a fighter. Will they discover it
00:04:01before time runs out? Good news? Yeah. Got him.
00:04:09I'm just going to do a quick search, quick pat down. Thank you. To be a bit of the process you've
00:04:21got any mobile phones in the house? I've got my personal one yeah. Where's that at the minute
00:04:25because we need to seize that as well. Okay. Where's that at the minute? I've got it, I'll
00:04:32give it to you it's fine. Yeah okay cool. Can I just brush my teeth?
00:04:35The suspect, Mabu Baig, is believed to be a key player in a conspiracy to murder.
00:04:42All this on my phone yeah? Yeah it's all just your phone yeah.
00:04:57The investigation has taken nearly a year.
00:05:00The next 24 hours will determine whether Baig will be charged or released.
00:05:30Have you still got the keys?
00:06:01Okay good morning.
00:06:09Time of arrest please? 6.35. And what was the offence? A conspiracy to murder.
00:06:18Circumstances please? Briefly I've got information received to suggest that he's involved in a
00:06:22conspiracy to murder of Atif Ali on and before the 20th of May 2013.
00:06:30Okay do you understand why you've been arrested? Did you understand what this officer has just
00:06:37explained? Yeah, I still don't understand. I know, so it's been explained. Okay so I'm going to
00:06:42authorise your detention so that you can be interviewed regarding this information the
00:06:45police have received and that gives you the opportunity to give an explanation. Okay.
00:06:55Ah is that his? Yeah we seized it at the house but he won't give us a pin.
00:07:00Before I was a policeman I was a holiday rat. It was young fun. I worked in Magaluf for a couple
00:07:19of summers and I met my wife but it just got to the point when we were getting married.
00:07:25I needed a proper job. I saw an advert in the local paper about can you deal with drunks? Can
00:07:32you deal with domestics? Can you deal with fights? And as a holiday rep I'd already dealt with all
00:07:40those sort of things. I like it. I've been away five minutes, come back and find that you've nicked
00:07:45my cup. Hello? Yes. Get a cup of coffee in you because I need your alert for the interviews
00:07:51right? I'll let you get yourself settled mate for five minutes after your holiday to Vegas.
00:07:59Vegas. How much money did you lose? We took sixteen hundred dollars spending money
00:08:05and after the first three days, gambling, food, drinks, the whole lot, we were about 150 dollars
00:08:12down. That was it. Yeah one day we won a thousand dollars between the four of us and stuff just on
00:08:18slot machines. Just trying to get to ruler please so I can see how tall you are. Yeah of course.
00:08:26Thank you. I used to be six five. What happens is your spine
00:08:30takes a strain from all that lifting overhead and from all that. Mr Baig? Yes. Any history of
00:08:36self-harming? No. And how do you feel now? Perfectly fine. Just a bit upset. Okay would
00:08:43you like to have a solicitor? Yeah, Atik Malik. And would you like to read a book called The Codes
00:08:50of Practice which explains all our police powers and procedures? Yeah go on then. Keep me occupied
00:08:55a couple of minutes. I don't like reading but yeah. And the last question, if anybody
00:09:02rings in to ask about you being arrested and here, do you give us permission to tell them?
00:09:06It's either a yes or no. I can't do yes only if it's my mum. No then.
00:09:17Says here you're slim. I am slim.
00:09:25I wouldn't go any lower actually. You might have to slouch a little bit.
00:09:30Your head's just poking up a little bit. You might have to sort of...
00:09:33There you go. And this is your DNA. I think I'll be able to reach your mouth.
00:09:49This is a copy of the warrant. It's a section eight warrant. That'll be your copy. You'll get
00:09:53to keep a copy of that. Hopefully you're not going to be here more than a few hours
00:09:57to do the search. Police are searching for any evidence that links Baig to the crime.
00:10:10The mobile phone that was used to coordinate the shooting has never been found.
00:10:16Okay, dogs can go through first with a start time of 7.25.
00:10:21Morning. Would you like some breakfast, mate?
00:10:26I can't get up on the best of days. Do you want anything to eat? Yes, please.
00:10:30We've got an all-day breakfast with a cereal, so it's cornflakes or crunchy nut.
00:10:34Crunchy nut, please. So you want crunchy nut? Thank you. Okay, see you in a little bit.
00:10:39See you later.
00:10:50Okay.
00:11:20If we don't find what we need, we may need to go into his workplace as well.
00:11:27We'll be just looking for the mobile phone. It's the main phone we're looking for that
00:11:30he communicated as part of the offence.
00:11:34Hello, Chris. It's Ben. I've got some good news for you. We haven't got the phone yet,
00:11:39but we do have the box for the phone with the IME on the side.
00:11:43I know, that's a brilliant result in itself, mate. Thank you for that.
00:11:46They're not even halfway through the search yet, but I'll just sort of keep you alert.
00:11:51Gary, Martin, just go down to my little office and I'll talk you through all this.
00:11:58You have a nice holiday? Yeah. Was it wedding vows or something you had done?
00:12:02It was all sorts. We just went out there. It was because we've been together 20 years
00:12:06this month. We went there and it was cracking.
00:12:10All right, so we've got Mayboo Baig in custody today.
00:12:13Mayboo Baig is the brother-in-law of Shahzad Maroof, the main suspect in the conspiracy.
00:12:22An interesting development has just come in. They have found the 818 phone box in the house.
00:12:29They haven't found the phone yet, but the search is still ongoing, but they've found the box
00:12:32with the IME on it. And this 818 phone is very important, and the reasons for that are
00:12:38that on the morning of the offence, this phone contacts most of the key parties involved.
00:12:47Yes. Mr Baig? Hello. Yes, he has. He's asked for Mr Malik.
00:12:57Well, the client would like to speak to him. A conspiracy to murder.
00:13:00A conspiracy to murder.
00:13:05I'm just going to do consultation in room C, if you're happy, Sergeant.
00:13:09Who is it for, sorry? It is for Mr Baig.
00:13:11Mr Baig? Yeah. His representative is Mr Malik.
00:13:20Fighting for people's rights, that is something that I do like.
00:13:24Ensuring that people get justice, people have the right representation, and fighting the corner.
00:13:29Because when someone's in the police station, it's very easy to become very intimidated.
00:13:36Being that person's sword and shield, that in itself is very, very gratifying.
00:13:42My first day back. I've just come back from Vegas.
00:13:45Have you? Yeah.
00:13:46It's like my time clock, my body clock's all over the place.
00:13:51I really enjoy doing interviewing. There's always two sides, at least to any one story, so
00:13:58they see what they've got to say.
00:14:01Who do you want to see in this? Chris Hutton.
00:14:02Yeah, Detective Sergeant Hutton.
00:14:04Oh. We are with the big boys today, aren't we?
00:14:07Righto.
00:14:11So looking at what we've got at the minute, we've got the phone box,
00:14:14and it's the number that calls all the key offenders.
00:14:16Are we all geared up for interview?
00:14:18Had some delay getting a solicitor here. Lost a couple of hours there.
00:14:28Police aren't yet prepared to reveal their discovery
00:14:31of the mobile phone box to Baig's lawyer.
00:14:34None of this is always in the public domain anyway.
00:14:36What's the actual disclosure for, um...
00:14:38You're going to ask him what you'd expect,
00:14:41but, of course, my question is why. What's the evidence linking him to it?
00:14:43At the moment, that's...
00:14:44So there's no further disclosure?
00:14:46Not at this moment in time, no.
00:14:47OK. Disclosure.
00:14:48Just giving him his opportunity to account for a few things.
00:14:52If you get a murder, it's normally drugs, money or women.
00:15:01Solicitor's here, mate.
00:15:02Are you OK?
00:15:04You're huge!
00:15:05HE CHUCKLES
00:15:07I'm glad you're friendly.
00:15:09I'm glad you're friendly.
00:15:22Offence?
00:15:23Criminal damage, domestic.
00:15:24Basically, this gentleman's PS4 has broken today.
00:15:29And he's proceeded to smash the door...
00:15:33At home?
00:15:33Yeah, at his mum's address and caused damage.
00:15:36Can we try the cigarette, please?
00:15:38There's no smoking here, it's a public building.
00:15:40Do you have any medical conditions?
00:15:41Bad chest.
00:15:42A bad chest? What do you mean, bad chest?
00:15:44Water goes on it, it's tight. I don't know what they call it.
00:15:47Emphysema?
00:15:47I don't know what it's called, no.
00:15:49So lungs or chest?
00:15:50It goes in here.
00:15:53I've had a bad week all week.
00:15:54I know, I've had a bad week all week.
00:15:56Yeah, we all have.
00:15:57I'm not well.
00:15:58I know, or me. Why aren't you well?
00:16:00I'm not well.
00:16:01Why aren't you well? Tell me what's wrong with you.
00:16:03I'm not well. Can I go out smoking out at the yard or something?
00:16:06Listen to me, there's no smoking here.
00:16:09I am handing over at three o'clock, OK?
00:16:12Because I need to get out of here before I punch somebody.
00:16:17So last month I got a CT scan done here.
00:16:19There seems to be a muscle tear there.
00:16:24One of the major tendons that goes from the chest to the shoulder
00:16:26come off.
00:16:28And they can't do anything because it's been over a year.
00:16:31It's because of the functional training, isn't it?
00:16:34But it's really bad, man.
00:16:36You don't know, you could be fine one minute and then...
00:16:38That's that.
00:16:41How long have you been working out?
00:16:43A long time.
00:16:44I used to think of it like playing rugby, but it destroyed me in the end.
00:16:48Did it? What, the back and that?
00:16:50Strangely enough, I was a fullback.
00:16:51I used to be 13 and a half stone and a racing snake.
00:16:54I could do 100 metres in under 12 seconds.
00:16:58But, yeah, I've had five knee operations,
00:17:02one cruciate snapped,
00:17:03and the other one's got a 20% cut in it and they won't replace it.
00:17:07Top game rugby, though.
00:17:08I've fractured cheekbone, fractured skull, broken arm, nose...
00:17:12Being a holiday rep beforehand, my whole job was to talk to people,
00:17:19have fun and have a laugh.
00:17:20Sometimes it wasn't always fun and sometimes it wasn't always a laugh,
00:17:23but you learn an awful lot about people when they're away,
00:17:29when they're out of their own homes.
00:17:31OK, when I hit this button, it starts recording.
00:17:37It's working, marvellous.
00:17:39OK, this interview's been recorded and may be given in evidence
00:17:41if the case is brought to trial.
00:17:43I'm DC140 Martin Hart,
00:17:44currently work in a serious crime team based at Luton Police Station.
00:17:48The other officer present is...
00:17:49Investigation Officer 3889 Gary Hales.
00:17:52And the time that I've got is 11.36.
00:17:56OK, now what I'm going to do now is I'm going to read out
00:17:58the disclosure that we gave to you, solicitor.
00:18:00The bottom line is your client was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy
00:18:03to murder Atif Ali in Luton on Monday the 20th of May 2013.
00:18:08The circumstances are that at approximately eight o'clock on that day,
00:18:11the victim left his home address on his way to work.
00:18:13Whilst waiting to turn into Leicester Road, Luton from Wetherby Road,
00:18:17his vehicle was hit from behind by another car.
00:18:20Ali pulled up outside the Leicester Arms,
00:18:21got out of his vehicle to inspect the damage.
00:18:23As he was standing up, he was shot once to the leg, causing massive injuries.
00:18:27It is believed that Ali was shot following a history of issues
00:18:30and threats with a person called Shahzad Maroof.
00:18:33Up to today, a total of seven other people have been arrested
00:18:35in connection with this inquiry.
00:18:37The person is charged are Maroof, Sajid Hussain,
00:18:39Bernard Pile and Matthew McCafferty.
00:18:42In this interview, your client will be asked to account
00:18:44for any knowledge he has about this offence,
00:18:46the people mentioned above and the circumstances around this offence.
00:18:50Could you just confirm that that is...
00:18:52What I can confirm is that this disclosure was given to me.
00:18:55Yeah.
00:18:55And despite this setting out the circumstances of the offence in question,
00:19:00it did not set out what the evidence against my client was.
00:19:03And upon noting that, I did ask you for any further disclosure
00:19:07to which you refused to provide. Is that correct?
00:19:09That's correct.
00:19:10You cannot force the police to give you disclosures.
00:19:13It's at their discretion whether they give you information
00:19:15about why the person's there or not.
00:19:18As a solicitor, I need to be able to advise my client
00:19:21on the strengths and weaknesses of the case against him.
00:19:23It's only by knowing that, that I can say to him,
00:19:26you know, OK, there is a case that you have to be worried about, or there isn't.
00:19:29You should answer questions or you shouldn't.
00:19:32There's an old saying which a lot of criminal lawyers follow,
00:19:34and that is, if in doubt, say now.
00:19:37My next question is literally be, what can you tell me about the offence?
00:19:39And the answer to that is...
00:19:41You've got a prepared statement. OK.
00:19:43I'm Abu Baig, which says, followed and instructed by me
00:19:45and written by my legal representative.
00:19:47My only knowledge of this offence is what is already in the public domain.
00:19:51I have no other knowledge, information or involvement in it.
00:19:53I am not involved in any conspiracy to murder,
00:19:55and I'm shocked to find myself here today.
00:19:58I'm not a career criminal.
00:19:59I'm a working professional and family man.
00:20:01I do know Marouf and Sajid Hussain.
00:20:04Marouf is a family member and Sajid Hussain is simply known to me in the community.
00:20:08I do not know Bernard Pile or Matthew McCafferty.
00:20:12In light of the limited disclosure that was given,
00:20:15I have no recourse but to advise my client to answer no comments or questions.
00:20:20In law, you've got a right to silence.
00:20:21You do not have to answer any question I put to you.
00:20:24There is a but.
00:20:26But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned
00:20:28something you later rely on in court.
00:20:30What's the saying is, yes, you do have a right to silence.
00:20:32If you end up going to court
00:20:34and you then answer the questions that the officers have put to you,
00:20:38they might decide to draw an inference.
00:20:40So they could say to you, well, hang on.
00:20:42He had the chance to talk and didn't.
00:20:44OK? You got that? Any questions about that at all?
00:20:46No.
00:20:47Cool.
00:20:48OK, so I know you said in your prepared statement you're a family man.
00:20:54How many children do you have?
00:20:56No comment.
00:20:57How old are they?
00:20:58No comment.
00:20:59OK.
00:21:01What's your wife's name?
00:21:02No comment.
00:21:02How long have you been married?
00:21:04No comment.
00:21:09I did actually forget to ask you something at the start,
00:21:11and that's how do you want me to refer to you as?
00:21:13Do you want me to call you Mr Baig, Babu, Mabs?
00:21:18I'm sorry, it's just something I forgot and I should have done it.
00:21:20It's just for politeness.
00:21:22He probably prefers Mr Baig, doesn't he?
00:21:24OK, no problem.
00:21:28Baig, chap in the middle.
00:21:30Yeah.
00:21:31Senior detectives in CID are still assessing the strength of their case.
00:21:36The key phone that links him in, is this phone ending 818?
00:21:39Yes.
00:21:40Dirty phone, unregistered, pay as you go.
00:21:43How we're linking it to him is via Wellcome Finance.
00:21:48Wellcome Finance confirmed that he gave that as his number.
00:21:52We've also got it recorded in Sajid Hussain's phone.
00:21:58What's he got it in his phone as?
00:21:59He's got it recorded as Mab.
00:22:01OK.
00:22:02Maybe Baig, Mabs, Baig.
00:22:04Yeah, OK.
00:22:04Now, we know that he's known as Mabs because he was a member of David Lloyd Leisure
00:22:10for a few weeks a month as a Troll membership in November 2013.
00:22:14And he gave that as his name, Mabs.
00:22:19You're obviously an athletic gentleman.
00:22:21Keep yourself in far better condition than I do.
00:22:24Do you have a home gym?
00:22:26No comment.
00:22:27Or do you belong to any gyms in Luton?
00:22:30No comment.
00:22:31Or any gyms at all?
00:22:32No comment.
00:22:34OK.
00:22:35Um, have you ever been to David Lloyd gym in Luton?
00:22:40No comment.
00:22:41Have you ever signed in there?
00:22:42No comment.
00:22:44What name did you use to sign in?
00:22:45No comment.
00:22:46Did you use Maboot Baig?
00:22:48No comment.
00:22:49Did you use Mabs?
00:22:51No comment.
00:22:52OK.
00:22:53When you were arrested and brought in, you have an iPhone, I believe.
00:23:00Do you know your phone number off the top of your head?
00:23:02No comment.
00:23:03Ends in, is it 585?
00:23:05No comment.
00:23:06Are there any other phones, um, in your house?
00:23:10No comment.
00:23:10Does your good lady have a mobile phone?
00:23:13No comment.
00:23:15Is it a case of you don't recall?
00:23:17No comment.
00:23:18Or you simply don't want to answer?
00:23:20No comment.
00:23:21OK.
00:23:27Moving on.
00:23:29What can you tell me about Marouf?
00:23:31No comment.
00:23:32OK.
00:23:34Sajid Hussain, you say you know him from the community.
00:23:38Can you explain a little bit more about that?
00:23:40No comment.
00:23:41Moving on.
00:23:42Do you know a chap by the name of Matthew McCafferty?
00:23:45No comment.
00:23:46A Bernard Pile?
00:23:48No comment.
00:23:50Are you a football fan?
00:23:54No comment.
00:23:56People, people might turn around and say, you know,
00:23:59I'm not a football fan because I follow West Ham, but that's beside the point.
00:24:02The 19th of May was the end of the Premier League season last year.
00:24:09Just gives you a memory jogger.
00:24:12And then moving on to the 20th, which is obviously the Monday, the following day.
00:24:16There was a lot of publicity around what happened that day.
00:24:20You live in a community.
00:24:22You must have heard of that shooting on that day.
00:24:25No comment.
00:24:27I am obliged as an investigator to look at everything.
00:24:31If I can prove that you had nothing to do with this, I'm obliged to do that.
00:24:387.58 he was shot.
00:24:40Had you already gone to work and gone past?
00:24:43No comment.
00:24:44I might have it on CCTV if you can remember what car it was.
00:24:48No comment.
00:24:49You've answered no comment.
00:24:51You have taken advice, OK, and I've got no problem with that.
00:24:54However, you're over the age of 18.
00:24:57You're a mature adult.
00:24:58You're a sensible man.
00:25:01Mr Malik, he gives you advice.
00:25:03It's your choice whether you follow it or not.
00:25:06All right?
00:25:07It's not a con.
00:25:08It's the way things are.
00:25:10OK?
00:25:11Bearing that in mind, is there anything at this moment that you think that I need to go away,
00:25:15look at, to prove that you're innocent?
00:25:19No comment.
00:25:21All right.
00:25:22In that case, then, the time that I have got is 12.23.
00:25:27And I'm concluding this interview.
00:25:31So, we'll just take a play now, then.
00:25:37You're going to go away, have a quick chat upstairs, and then I would imagine...
00:25:42There'll be some more disclosure.
00:25:44There'll be some more disclosure.
00:25:45Which is what you've been waiting for all along.
00:25:48It was done in the first place.
00:25:50Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:25:52In poker, when you're playing a game of cards, you're always trying to guess,
00:25:56has the other person got the winning hand?
00:25:57Have they got a good hand?
00:25:59With me, I'm always on overdrive.
00:26:01I'm trying to think three or four steps ahead,
00:26:03because quite often, with very little disclosures given,
00:26:06this is going to be one of two things.
00:26:08Either they've got nothing, and it's a fishing expedition,
00:26:11or they have got something, and they're setting us up for an ambush.
00:26:14So, I'll have a quick five minutes with him.
00:26:16Yeah.
00:26:16And then, get ready for round two.
00:26:20Trace, this is ridiculous.
00:26:22Fucking ridiculous, I'm going to lose, I swear to God, yeah.
00:26:24I hope you're happy.
00:26:25You happy now, are you?
00:26:27If you carry on like that, I'm going to terminate the phone call.
00:26:30Sorry, say that again.
00:26:31Sorry.
00:26:33There's only one person in charge in here, and that's me and Tim.
00:26:36Get off the phone, man.
00:26:39Who are you talking to, muckers?
00:26:41Mind your fucking business.
00:26:43Mind your fucking business.
00:26:44Oi, sir, sir.
00:26:46Be a woman, deal with it.
00:26:48Be a woman, deal with it.
00:26:49Do you know how much time I'm spending?
00:26:50Get out, you fucking snag.
00:26:52There you go, then.
00:26:55You're a fucking pig.
00:26:56You're a fucking pig, get out of here.
00:26:58Get out!
00:27:02Sounds like somebody's having fun.
00:27:03Get out of here!
00:27:05I'm just going to go away!
00:27:07I'm just going to go away!
00:27:09Get out of my house now!
00:27:11I'm afraid for my face, get out of here.
00:27:13Get out of my face now.
00:27:15I don't know how I'm going to stay with those.
00:27:17I don't look sad to you, do I?
00:27:19God, she's fucking litchy.
00:27:21No, no.
00:27:23Just what?
00:27:25Just calm down.
00:27:27Just calm down.
00:27:29Just calm down.
00:27:35It's a right welcome back from holiday day, isn't it?
00:27:39I'll tell you, mate.
00:27:43What you want to do is work out where we're going to be nice, nice, nice,
00:27:45and then not so nice.
00:27:47Unless he talks.
00:27:49Thanks, mate.
00:27:51Hello?
00:27:53It's defence game tennis,
00:27:55and we're fighting it in a minute.
00:27:57Yeah, it's messy as shit.
00:27:59I could be really late.
00:28:05All I want is one cigarette.
00:28:07Please.
00:28:09Where do you want me to magic one up?
00:28:11I'm a custody sergeant, I'm not a magician.
00:28:13I know, I understand that.
00:28:15None of us down here smoke.
00:28:17No, I know, but can't you ask them to get a couple of doggies?
00:28:19No!
00:28:21No, I'm not asking my DO to go and pick up dog ends.
00:28:23OK, is everyone here?
00:28:25Because I would like to crack on if you don't mind.
00:28:27I've got somewhere to go.
00:28:29It is past three o'clock.
00:28:31That's all right.
00:28:33It's all right. Calm down.
00:28:35Well, we've had a day from hell.
00:28:37That's normal.
00:28:39Are we ready?
00:28:41OK.
00:28:43M2, a robbery.
00:28:45He's handed himself in.
00:28:47Gain entry with a baseball bat and knife.
00:28:49F1.
00:28:51F1 came in last night really, really intoxicated.
00:28:53He threatened the father of his ex-partner
00:28:55with a large knife.
00:28:57Number 13.
00:28:59Lives at home with his mum.
00:29:01He got angry because his PSP had been broken
00:29:03so he decided to go on a bit of a bender
00:29:05and he's ended up smashing his mum's door.
00:29:07M11.
00:29:09The IP, who is the landlord,
00:29:11was having a verbal argument with the DP
00:29:13regarding rent arrears
00:29:15when the DP punched him to the face
00:29:17causing his tooth to fall out.
00:29:19M12.
00:29:21The DP has been named by the IP
00:29:23as being responsible for an assault
00:29:25with a brick that caused injuries
00:29:27requiring stitches to his ear.
00:29:29Number nine.
00:29:31Mr Baig.
00:29:33Police have received information
00:29:35that the DP is involved in the conspiracy
00:29:37to murder Atif Ali.
00:29:39He has been interviewed once
00:29:41but they're going back into interview.
00:29:43They're just waiting for Mr Malik
00:29:45to come back to the station.
00:29:51MUSIC
00:30:05In Luton, because of the close community
00:30:07Mr Baig was not somebody that I'd ever heard of
00:30:09or an inferior great one
00:30:11of being involved in anything criminal
00:30:13let alone of this magnitude.
00:30:15He is a family man with three very young children.
00:30:17Lots of responsibilities.
00:30:19He has very elderly parents
00:30:21who are in their 80s that he cares for as well
00:30:23and provides for.
00:30:25And he is a man who
00:30:27in a way, a lot of people in the community
00:30:29can look up to.
00:30:31From the word go, he said,
00:30:33look, I don't know why I'm here,
00:30:35I don't know what I'm doing here, what's going on?
00:30:37Are these all in prison then,
00:30:39the rest of them?
00:30:41Part one.
00:30:43Every other one has been remanded.
00:30:45This old boy is quite central.
00:30:47Very much the middle man.
00:30:49Very much so.
00:30:53I was actually on duty
00:30:55on the 20th of May.
00:30:57Just before 8 o'clock
00:30:59we got a phone call off of the control room
00:31:01and they said a gentleman had been shot
00:31:03in Leicester Road.
00:31:05Now, the morning commute to work
00:31:07is a pretty mundane part of everyday life.
00:31:09Imagine the horror then
00:31:11for 27-year-old Atif Ali,
00:31:13a law-abiding accountant
00:31:15from Luton who was doing just that,
00:31:17he was going to work, when out of the blue
00:31:19someone tried to kill him.
00:31:25He wasn't killed,
00:31:27but he had his leg nearly severed
00:31:29from his body by a close-range
00:31:31sawed-off shotgun blast.
00:31:35Mr Ali is
00:31:37a really nice, normal fella.
00:31:39There is nothing linking him
00:31:41to anything, any form of criminality.
00:31:43So why?
00:31:45You know, how many people
00:31:47go to work and get shot
00:31:49in the morning when they've done nothing wrong?
00:31:53My opinion is that Mr Ali
00:31:55was a paid hit.
00:31:59He was engaged
00:32:01to a young lady.
00:32:03Another young gentleman,
00:32:05Shehzad Maroof, asked the family
00:32:07if he could marry her.
00:32:09And they said no.
00:32:11It spiralled from there.
00:32:13Mr Baig
00:32:15is the brother-in-law
00:32:17of Maroof.
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00:33:15That's it.
00:33:16Yeah, that's it.
00:33:17Okay, let's do this.
00:33:23Two mobile numbers have been attributed to your client, 0770-693-585 and 0789-543-818.
00:33:39Your client will be asked about mobile phone usage by him and others in the build-up to
00:33:44the offence being committed.
00:33:45The time is 15.45.
00:33:46Okay, I've got a prepared statement which covers that question.
00:33:50I'm Mahmood Bey.
00:33:51I do not recognise the 818 number.
00:33:53As this offence took place over a year ago, without further information as to whom I'm
00:33:56supposed to have contacted, when, and for how long, I am in difficulty in answering
00:34:01questions.
00:34:02I advise you to answer no comment to all questions.
00:34:05Okay.
00:34:06On the other number, 585, I believe that that is your legitimate phone, because doing a
00:34:13subscribers check, it comes back to Mahmood Bey, that is your phone that you pay for
00:34:19on a regular basis.
00:34:21Is that correct?
00:34:22No comment.
00:34:23You're sort of nodding as you're saying it.
00:34:27No comment.
00:34:28Also, the 585 number, it's worth being said, you've given to both me and DS Hutton prior
00:34:34to your arrest.
00:34:35So, is it safe to say that the number ends 585 is actually your phone?
00:34:40No comment.
00:34:41How's it hurting you to tell me that I'm saying no comment to what is just your phone?
00:34:46No comment.
00:34:47Okay, we've got another number for you that we've put in the disclosure.
00:34:53It's the one that you specifically refer to that you don't recall having, 818.
00:34:59We searched your house today, didn't find the phone.
00:35:02Got any idea what's happened to it?
00:35:05No comment.
00:35:06Okay.
00:35:07What we did find is this.
00:35:12It's a mobile phone box for a Samsung GT-E2121B, same one as the 818 number.
00:35:23On the side of said box is the IMEI number.
00:35:28That's the same one that that number's been running off of.
00:35:32It was found on the top of a wardrobe in the main bedroom, your bedroom, at your house.
00:35:41Why don't you tell me about that box?
00:35:44No comment.
00:35:45Somebody lend it to you?
00:35:49No comment.
00:35:50Do you keep other people's phone boxes in your bedroom?
00:35:55No comment.
00:35:59Sajid Hussain, you said in your first interview, somebody you know from the community.
00:36:05Is that one you want to stick with?
00:36:08No comment.
00:36:09Now, if you only know him through the community, one would guess that you don't talk to him
00:36:14that often.
00:36:16Your number, that ends in 585, between March of last year and January of this year, contacted
00:36:24Sajid Hussain 1,174 times.
00:36:30That's more times than I speak to my wife.
00:36:33This is not just a passing friend, is it, Sajid?
00:36:37He's a close friend of yours?
00:36:38No comment.
00:36:39Now, we already know that in Sajid's phone, your legitimate personal phone comes up under
00:36:48Mavs Bro.
00:36:50No comment.
00:36:53In his phone, the number for this phone, 818, comes up as Mavs 2.
00:37:02It's got Mavs Bro with the phone number, your thing on there, and then he's got Mavs 2.
00:37:09Can you remember the date I told you when the shooting happened?
00:37:12It was the 20th of May.
00:37:15Mavs 2 was added to Sajid Hussain's phone on the 13th of May, seven days before Mr.
00:37:24Ali got shot.
00:37:26Bear in mind, you talk to each other a lot.
00:37:31So why did you give him a second number on the 13th of May?
00:37:36No comment.
00:37:37Is this a bit of a naughty phone?
00:37:40No comment.
00:37:4119th of May.
00:37:44Even before the shooting.
00:37:45About a quarter past seven, Sajid's trying to call you on the 585, your iPhone number.
00:37:50At about nine o'clock, you text Sajid saying, ring me bro.
00:37:54You text him again about two minutes later, bro, where are you?
00:38:00Then another one, a couple of seconds later, call me please.
00:38:03Are those calls part of the set up for what was going to happen the next day?
00:38:08No comment.
00:38:09You then text him, half ten.
00:38:13Ring me as soon as you get this matter, no matter what time it is, bro.
00:38:17Is something going wrong with the plans for the shooting?
00:38:20No comment.
00:38:21Or is it an innocent explanation?
00:38:24No comment.
00:38:25You got an 11 second call at 2233, another one at 2234, 2305, 2326, Marouf calls you
00:38:34at 11 minutes to midnight on the 19th.
00:38:38So your brother-in-law has given you a call, 11 minutes to midnight, and you have a conversation
00:38:44for 23 seconds.
00:38:45The phone's gone down, straight away, you have called Sajid Hussain.
00:38:50And then after finishing that call, you've phoned Marouf back again.
00:38:55You're the sandwich in between these two.
00:38:57Are you the link between the two of them?
00:39:01No comment.
00:39:03585, right little hotbed of a number.
00:39:07818.
00:39:08I don't use it very much at all.
00:39:12818 starts to come to life on the morning of the 20th.
00:39:17Now this is the one that really intrigues me.
00:39:20Can you explain to me why 818, at 6.41 in the morning, is calling Bernard Pile, a guy
00:39:30from Uxbridge, who we know, at that time, has left Uxbridge and is on the motorway on
00:39:36his way down to Luton.
00:39:42This is a man that's got no connection, no family in Luton.
00:39:46The one thing he has got is previous convictions for firearms offences.
00:39:50He's also got convictions for serious GBH.
00:39:54Done 11 years for that, out and out, hardened criminal.
00:40:00He's got no connection to Luton, apart from on the 20th of May, when he comes down here
00:40:05for approximately one hour to shoot Atif Ali.
00:40:09At the moment, you're contacting him.
00:40:136.43, Sajid Hussain, rings 818.
00:40:17So is this a gym date that we're sorting out?
00:40:20No comment.
00:40:21What sort of job has he got?
00:40:23Is he a milkman or a postman or somebody that would normally be up at that time?
00:40:28No comment.
00:40:29So in this explanation, it's for these calls?
00:40:32Or are those calls because of the fact that, at this point, you know that the boys are on their way down from Uxbridge
00:40:36and the clan's all coming nicely together?
00:40:38No comment.
00:40:41But one of the common denominators in all of this is you.
00:40:45You've got a dirty phone, 818.
00:40:48You've used it once.
00:40:49On the 28th of the 12th, 2012, a loan was taken out in your name to Wellcome Finance.
00:40:59The contact number that you gave them was 818.
00:41:05And then after that, it only comes up and only lasts for this shooting, and then it goes dead.
00:41:12Give me a justful reason.
00:41:13How could this be a coincidence?
00:41:16No comment.
00:41:18Was he supposed to die that day?
00:41:20No comment.
00:41:22Because he's pissed off your brother-in-law, does that make him an enemy of yours?
00:41:28No comment.
00:41:29Would you be stupid enough to get involved in someone else's battle?
00:41:33No comment.
00:41:34He was a very, very lucky boy.
00:41:36The bullet nicked his femoral.
00:41:38How he didn't die, never know.
00:41:43He must have had everything looking down on him and praying for him that day.
00:41:47Would you like a consultation with me?
00:41:49Would you like a consultation?
00:41:50Yes, please.
00:41:51Have a consultation, please.
00:41:52Pause the interview.
00:41:53Would it be a quick one, or do you want us to stop it and we can have a break?
00:41:56Let's have a break. It's been going on for quite a while now.
00:41:58Let's have a quick break. It'll be hot in here anyway.
00:42:00It does, yeah. Get everyone a drink.
00:42:02The time is 16.41.
00:42:05And I'm going to stop the interview.
00:42:11He's given a very short prepared statement.
00:42:14He made no comment about the 585 number, so he really kicked in on that hit, hit, hit.
00:42:20Then we went on to 818.
00:42:22Brought the box out.
00:42:24Brought everything else out with regards to the finance company and all that sort of stuff.
00:42:29He's then started twitching.
00:42:31He's got a left leg twitch at the moment.
00:42:35And he's not a happy boy.
00:42:39This is going to be some prepared statement.
00:42:41He's twitching like a madman now.
00:42:45Yeah, there's a major flap going on in there.
00:42:49Big lad, isn't he?
00:42:52Just keep him calm.
00:42:56If he kicks off, I'm out of the door.
00:42:59I'm a lover, not a fighter.
00:43:01The biggest surprise would be now if he came out and cuffed it.
00:43:05It could be an interesting ten minute interview.
00:43:09I wonder if his knee can jerk around any faster.
00:43:21We should be home now.
00:43:23Yes, indeed.
00:43:25Did you start at stupider clock?
00:43:27Well, seven o'clock I started.
00:43:29Police are waiting to re-interview the suspect.
00:43:33But Baig has been talking to his solicitor for nearly an hour and a half.
00:43:37We've not got an interview, he's not come out.
00:43:40Not seen hiding or hair.
00:43:43He's shitting a brick now.
00:43:52It's cheese sauce, isn't it?
00:43:55That was the burger with salad.
00:43:57The ribeye.
00:43:59That's the 20-ounce steak.
00:44:01This was the Cheesecake Factory, that's a start-up.
00:44:05And it's massive.
00:44:07Siegfried and Roy, you know, those magicians.
00:44:11That was a view from our bedroom window.
00:44:13That's the Monte Carlo.
00:44:17MGM Grand is over there.
00:44:19The rule was we'd do $20, and if you doubled it...
00:44:22Cos there was four of us.
00:44:24Ready? OK.
00:44:26Can I just take the... I'll photocopy that for you.
00:44:29How many pages is it?
00:44:33One, two, three, four.
00:44:38Yeah, I've got all copies.
00:44:40I'll see you upstairs.
00:44:42Yeah, OK.
00:44:45Oh, you silly, silly boy.
00:44:59He's now saying that he gave the phone to his brother-in-law
00:45:03in the beginning of May, which means dropping him right in it.
00:45:07I think he's talking out of his arse.
00:45:10Now, that phone was cell-sighted at his house at 2211,
00:45:15and that's his clean phone and his dirty phone.
00:45:18So the night before that fence, that phone is at his house.
00:45:24See, he rings, Sajid, 2211, cell-sight there.
00:45:292211...
00:45:31P-Lay, of course.
00:45:32He calls P-Lay, doesn't connect.
00:45:34If you look, the cell-sight at that time was 2211.
00:45:38If you look, the cell-sight at that time,
00:45:41that green means that cell's identified at his home.
00:45:46So if this phone has been handed over,
00:45:48it's been handed over right at the end of the night or in the morning.
00:45:56That's not what he's saying, is it?
00:45:58No.
00:45:59That's what I mean.
00:46:00The cell-sight does not fit what he is saying.
00:46:03That phone has either been handed over on the night before
00:46:07or he's turning a complete load of cockle
00:46:10and he's trying to drop the main defendant in it cos...
00:46:13He's got nothing to lose, is he?
00:46:15Well, let's let him go dig himself a big old hole,
00:46:19cos this will be the thing that kills him.
00:46:21He's now actually given us something to work on,
00:46:23to challenge him on, and we can kill him on the fact that
00:46:26you say you've given it away, fine, but we know that you're lying,
00:46:29or the person that you've given that phone to
00:46:32is standing right beside you or is in your house
00:46:35when all these calls are coming in, so you know.
00:46:37This is the big interview, isn't it?
00:46:39Gaz, do you want to rip apart the prepared statement?
00:46:42And I'll do the phone stuff.
00:46:54At some point around May 2013,
00:46:56I cannot remember specifics due to the passage of time,
00:46:59my brother-in-law asked if I had a spare phone that he could borrow.
00:47:02As he is family, I thought nothing of it and gave it to him.
00:47:05Therefore, I'm not responsible for the usage of the phone 818 in May 2013
00:47:09and neither do I have any knowledge of how or why it was used.
00:47:13In the first interview, my colleague explained to you
00:47:15exactly the phone that he was referring to for the 818 number.
00:47:20You were given the model and the exact number, but you said nothing.
00:47:25And when he showed you the box, you said nothing.
00:47:33You waited until we went further into the interview
00:47:37till we gave you more information before you've come up with this story.
00:47:41And it is a story, isn't it?
00:47:43No comment.
00:47:44You're clearly fitting the evidence around the disclosure
00:47:47because you're so deep into this.
00:47:50You're fighting for your life here, aren't you?
00:47:53No comment.
00:47:54I have no knowledge of any threats of violence between Marouf and Atif Ali.
00:47:59So your brother-in-law appears to be at war with Atif Ali
00:48:04over some bit of skirt
00:48:08and you're saying you know nothing about that?
00:48:11No comment.
00:48:12I do not know or ever have contacted Bernard Pilet or friends
00:48:18and neither do they know me.
00:48:20I'll suggest part of that is right.
00:48:23Neither do they know me.
00:48:25Because these people were hired.
00:48:29They weren't friends of yours.
00:48:32These were hired guns.
00:48:36You are in a conspiracy.
00:48:39It don't matter that Pilet come up to do the shooting.
00:48:43You don't have to be the shooter to be involved in a conspiracy.
00:48:47So what was your role?
00:48:49No comment.
00:48:50You need to talk to us.
00:48:52Mr Malik is giving you advice.
00:48:54But should you get charged with this, he will not be the one standing in the dock.
00:48:58It will be you.
00:49:02The whole responsibility of whether you answer the questions is down to you,
00:49:05not Mr Malik.
00:49:07Because advice is purely advice.
00:49:10OK?
00:49:12The 19th.
00:49:14Day before.
00:49:15Your brother-in-law come round day before.
00:49:19No comment.
00:49:23Because this is the thing that's going to really do it for you.
00:49:27On the 19th of May,
00:49:29at 11 minutes past ten at night,
00:49:32your 585 number gives Sajid a ring.
00:49:36And your phone is at your house.
00:49:39Your legitimate phone is sitting in your house.
00:49:42Self-cited to your house.
00:49:44Self-cited to your house.
00:49:47Two seconds later,
00:49:50the 818 number
00:49:52makes a phone call
00:49:54to Bernard Pillay.
00:49:56I wish self-cites are coming from your house.
00:50:00Bernard Pillay.
00:50:02The bloke that we think pulled the trigger.
00:50:07Start explaining.
00:50:10See, now I'm going to point out something.
00:50:12Your body tends to give away things.
00:50:14As soon as we've started to put you under pressure,
00:50:16your left leg has started bouncing up and down.
00:50:19You're not happy about this.
00:50:23Because you know now that phone was being used by you
00:50:26in your house.
00:50:28You're making the contacts.
00:50:29You're well and truly into this conspiracy.
00:50:33We don't have to disclose everything at the start of an interview.
00:50:36We give you your opportunity to talk.
00:50:38That's what we said.
00:50:39Tell us the truth.
00:50:40Problem is, you didn't.
00:50:42And as we've gone on,
00:50:43you've called for a break and gone,
00:50:45how do I get myself out of this hole?
00:50:48Bottom line is, you can't, can you?
00:50:57Your only opportunity really now
00:51:00is to probably just go,
00:51:02yeah, hang on a minute.
00:51:04Time to tell the truth.
00:51:05I knew about this.
00:51:07Shazza did X, Y, Z.
00:51:09I knew it was going to happen.
00:51:11Only way you might cut your sentence down.
00:51:19I understand about family loyalty.
00:51:21If you're prepared to do that kind of time for him,
00:51:24you're a good guy.
00:51:26That's going to be no wife, no kids for a while.
00:51:34Risk all that
00:51:36over a bit of Romeo and Juliet?
00:51:39Really?
00:51:43No comment.
00:51:45OK.
00:51:47In that case, the time is
00:51:5020.32
00:51:52and we're now concluding this interview.
00:52:01He was just saying it's good to talk.
00:52:04E.T., wasn't it?
00:52:05E.T., wasn't it, yeah.
00:52:06It's good to talk.
00:52:07It's good to talk.
00:52:22He's not a happy boy.
00:52:24Brief told him to go no comment and not give explanations,
00:52:26so the problem is, when he's been given prepared statements,
00:52:29the prepared statements contradicted each other
00:52:31so it looks like he's lying, that he's stuffed himself.
00:52:34If Malik had let him talk, he might have got himself out of it
00:52:37at the start, but he's told him to go no comment,
00:52:39so, if anything, he's dug himself a bigger hole.
00:52:43So I'm going to go upstairs.
00:52:44I'm ready to come down straightaway and charge him.
00:52:46Yeah, no problem. It'll be the first thing I do.
00:52:49Cheers, bud.
00:52:50Police are waiting to hear from the Crown Prosecution Service.
00:52:53They need their approval to charge Baig.
00:52:56Yeah, not bad, thank you.
00:52:58No further development whatsoever.
00:53:00How would you get so wound up about one woman?
00:53:04Went back in, no comment on everything.
00:53:06Everything as per his prepared statement,
00:53:08which is basically fit around the dates and information
00:53:11that we've given him.
00:53:12What's this girl like, then?
00:53:14Is she a bit of a looker?
00:53:15What would you want to do, 15 years in prison for...?
00:53:18I don't know, I don't know what's...
00:53:20No, definitely, I don't think he's got a leg to stand on.
00:53:23Cool, thank you very much.
00:53:25Cheers, Jane, have a good night. Thank you, bye-bye.
00:53:29Charge. Yes!
00:53:31And remand.
00:53:42Right, bud.
00:53:43Just listen to what the officer's going to say,
00:53:45he's going to read out the charge, OK?
00:53:47There's only one charge, and it is on or about 20th May 2013
00:53:51at Luton in the county of Bedfordshire,
00:53:53conspired together with Marouf, Sajid Hussain,
00:53:56Bernard Pillay and Matthew McCafferty to murder Atif Ali,
00:54:00contrary to Section 1.1 of the Criminal Law Act 1977.
00:54:04Do you have anything to reply to court charge?
00:54:10He's a family man, he works at Luton, he's got family ties,
00:54:13he's got a young family, kids, wife, etc.
00:54:17He's got no reason to abscond.
00:54:20And, yes, we've seen the evidence
00:54:22that's been suggested in the interview,
00:54:24but he's given a very detailed response to that.
00:54:27From the outset, he's said that he's innocent.
00:54:30No comment.
00:54:31It's quite technical.
00:54:34And, at the end of the day...
00:54:38Obviously, I'll take on board your representations,
00:54:41but I've got a way up as well, obviously,
00:54:43the safety of the public as well,
00:54:45with the overall nature of the allegation,
00:54:49so I think that he's going to stay here, I'm afraid.
00:54:52All right?
00:54:56I just came back from holiday today
00:54:58and got this sprung on me at eight o'clock this morning.
00:55:00You've got a bit of a tan, haven't you? Where did you go?
00:55:02I went to Vegas with the wife. Vegas? Yeah.
00:55:04Smashing! It was great.
00:55:07Me and the wife, we've been together 20 years.
00:55:09Top man.
00:55:10So we're not married, but we've been together 20 years.
00:55:13We've been married 18, so we went away as a sort of anniversary
00:55:16because our best friends have been married 20 years this year,
00:55:19so we went away as two couples and had a great time.
00:55:22OK, see you. Yeah, take care.
00:55:29When you have worked for a long time on something...
00:55:35..there is a really nice feeling that, you know,
00:55:38we've done what we're supposed to do,
00:55:41as long as he gets convicted.
00:55:46Squeeze the cock of justice.
00:55:48Oh, no!
00:55:55It's the cock of justice.
00:56:00And he gets squeezed when we get a good result.
00:56:04All right, you all go inside, yeah?
00:56:19MUSIC FADES
00:56:39Mahbub Beg was remanded in prison for four and a half months.
00:56:43In July 2014, he went on trial alongside five other defendants
00:56:48for conspiracy to murder.
00:56:52The trial was an absolute rollercoaster.
00:56:54Nobody knew where it was going to end up.
00:56:58There was so much going on with co-defendants
00:57:01putting each other in it and all the rest of it.
00:57:03Beg, when he was given evidence, he stood up, he spoke very clearly.
00:57:09He was always engaging with the jury
00:57:13and he looked like a man that believed he'd been wronged.
00:57:17Mr Beg, towards the end of his evidence,
00:57:21simply turned round and was outraged and said,
00:57:24''Do you seriously think that someone with my background
00:57:27''and my responsibilities, with the knowledge of something like this,
00:57:32''would even allow it to happen, let alone be part of it,
00:57:35''in my own community, on my own roads,
00:57:38''where my own children would be travelling with my wife at that time?''
00:57:45The question that is asked at court is, ''Why did you not comment?''
00:57:51From my perspective, when we did the police interview,
00:57:54I saw ambush after ambush.
00:57:56We safeguarded him.
00:57:58Mr Beg was really on a back foot
00:58:00because he's been asked to account for his movements and conduct
00:58:04many months ago, which he most likely cannot recall.
00:58:08There was this hot potato 818 phone
00:58:11that was used to contact all the key conspirators
00:58:14in the lead-up to the offence.
00:58:16So the jury then have to be 100% sure
00:58:19that Mr Beg is the one responsible for all those phone calls
00:58:23and being that key person involved in the conspiracy.
00:58:26Cell site evidence is one of those more difficult pieces of evidence
00:58:31to use in court.
00:58:33You could easily argue, potentially,
00:58:35''Well, was that phone with somebody else parked outside the front of your house
00:58:39''making that phone call?''
00:58:41You lend that phone to another, say,
00:58:43and you didn't know what was going on with that phone.
00:58:45You know, just enough to start causing niggles of doubt.
00:58:49The reason why Mr Beg gave away the phone
00:58:51was because his brother-in-law asked him for it.
00:58:54Mr Beg did not know what the phone was going to be used for.
00:58:58His brother-in-law asked for the phone.
00:59:00It was a phone he wasn't using.
00:59:02He thought, didn't think twice of it and just gave it to him.
00:59:08The police said that the second statement contradicted the first.
00:59:11The first statement said, ''I know nothing about that phone.''
00:59:14The second statement was, ''Oh, yeah, that phone,
00:59:16''I gave it to my brother-in-law.''
00:59:18Let's face it, the number of times that I have clients
00:59:20and I say to them, ''What is your number?''
00:59:22Nobody knows their number.
00:59:23They have to go into their phones and find their own number.
00:59:27In his second statement, he actually made it very clear,
00:59:30''Now that I've seen the box, it's triggered my memory.''
00:59:34So he's given an explanation.
00:59:43There were a flurry of calls the night before the shooting.
00:59:47And the police said, ''Oh, there you go.
00:59:49''This shows that what you're doing here is planning something
00:59:52''because you keep calling each other regularly.''
00:59:55However, there's actually an alternative,
00:59:57a justifiable reason for the contact.
01:00:01They were discussing the purchase of protein shakes
01:00:05because Mr Maroof owned a protein shop
01:00:08and Mr Hussein wanted to buy protein
01:00:12and because Mr Baig was related to him,
01:00:14he was able to get a discounted price and make a profit.
01:00:17So it wasn't just a social arrangement, it was a commercial arrangement.
01:00:20And that's why there was such traffic between them
01:00:24for the purpose of that commercial transaction.
01:00:30When the verdict came, Moha was absolutely pounding.
01:00:34I found out by text from Chris.
01:00:38He was in court, I was at home in the back garden.
01:00:41And he started texting and telling me
01:00:45what each verdict he was coming through.
01:00:48I was sitting at the front.
01:00:49It was almost like sitting down for a really important exam.
01:00:52You're about to get a big result.
01:00:53Your life's been involved in investigating this job.
01:00:56Your family have been putting up with you coming home late on a lot of nights.
01:00:59You've been under a lot of pressure.
01:01:01You want to get the right result for the victim.
01:01:07Monday the 18th of August 2014, the following verdicts were found.
01:01:12Maroof, conspiracy to murder, guilty.
01:01:15Sentenced to 30 years in prison, serving a minimum of 15 years.
01:01:20Bernard Pile, conspiracy to murder, guilty.
01:01:23Sentenced to 34 years in prison, serving a minimum of 17 years.
01:01:29Matthew McCavity, conspiracy to murder,
01:01:32possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, guilty.
01:01:36Sentenced to 15 years in prison and must serve two-thirds of his sentence
01:01:41with an extended five-year licence.
01:01:45Mayboo Baig, conspiracy to murder, not guilty.
01:02:00When I was found not guilty, I just was kind of frozen.
01:02:05I don't know how to explain that feeling.
01:02:07It didn't feel like, you know, I am guilty or I'm not guilty.
01:02:12That moment, I can't explain.
01:02:17When I looked around at my legal team, I got a thumbs-up.
01:02:20It still didn't sink in.
01:02:23I walked out of the dock,
01:02:25and that's where normally the process is an officer handcuffs you
01:02:29and he takes you down the stairs back to your cell.
01:02:32At that moment, the officer said to me,
01:02:34well, I don't need these handcuffs on you anymore.
01:02:36Here's the moment I actually thought to myself, hang on a minute,
01:02:39I am free.
01:02:40And then walking down the stairs from the court,
01:02:42that's when the moment it kind of like come home to me that,
01:02:45hang on a minute, I'm actually a free man now.
01:02:49My young one, she was over the moon to see me.
01:02:52And when she hugged me, she clinged on to me so tight.
01:02:57Being imprisoned for four and a half months,
01:03:01you've gone to hell, but you're actually still alive.
01:03:04It's a huge amount of effect on my life.
01:03:07I'd never been involved in such an incident.
01:03:10I had no reason to be involved in such an incident.
01:03:13I'd never been involved in such an incident.
01:03:15I had no reason to be involved in such an incident
01:03:18and I am an innocent man.
01:03:32You build a case for, you build a case against.
01:03:38It's the best argument in the playground.
01:03:40It's the best way to describe it.
01:03:42Whoever's got the strongest argument in the playground
01:03:45is the one that's believed.
01:03:47I thought I won the argument in the playground in interview.
01:03:52I suppose the best way of saying it is I won the battle,
01:03:54but I didn't win the war.
01:04:13And if that was up your street, get both sides of the law
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01:04:23is very far from what Ramsey's witnessing.
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