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00:00Mr. Achak Zaheer spoke to reporters a while ago and said that Mr. Rana Sinhaullah has contacted him.
00:06Since he is a member of the Ijtihad, was this conveyed to you or will you only know about this when the news comes out?
00:16Bismillahirrahmanirrahim.
00:17First of all, I would like to thank you, Mr. Maria, for inviting me to the show.
00:20As you mentioned in your intro and also gave a viewpoint on my party's leadership,
00:27we have a platform called Tehrik-e-Tahfuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan,
00:30which we have provided to six Jamaats, on which we can talk about our stolen mandate.
00:37In that, we have elected Mr. Mehmood Khan Achak Zaheer as its founder and leading force.
00:43And in that context, we have also given them the leeway that if there is any engagement,
00:51they can do it on behalf of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Tahfuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan.
00:54They will give us their feedback and we can discuss further on that.
00:59So, if today, Mr. Rana Sinhaullah has...
01:02As far as I know, there has been no such meeting yet.
01:04But obviously, there is a meeting of the core committee and we get information through our due process.
01:10If something like this has happened, then this mandate has been given by the leadership of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Tahfuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan to Mr. Mehmood Khan Achak Zaheer.
01:17The mandate has been given, but there is a difference in your opinion.
01:21You want to talk freely.
01:23Many times, you have repeatedly said that you want to talk freely.
01:26Mr. Achak Zaheer does not want to talk to them.
01:28He wants to talk to the politicians.
01:29The politicians whom Mr. Achak Zaheer wants to talk to, you think they do not have the authority.
01:33So, maybe your views are the same, but who do you want to talk to?
01:39No, Maria, let me clarify my point of view on this.
01:44We are confusing different timelines.
01:47We have always said that we are a democratic force and we want to talk to the democratic process.
01:54We have demanded from the government of the time that we talk about conference building measures.
01:59You just mentioned the CBMs.
02:07We have also said that there should be two good CBMs so that there can be a commission on the upcoming elections on 8th February and a commission on 9th May.
02:17Mr. Ahsan Iqbal was saying that until a blanket apology is made on 9th May, there can be no talks with them.
02:24There can be no talks with those who attack the state.
02:27I agree with you.
02:28You should not talk to anyone who attacks the state.
02:32We believe that we have not attacked the state.
02:35It has been a year since you have put restrictions on our law enforcement personnel.
02:41You are not able to prosecute.
02:43You are not able to bring evidence.
02:45You say that you have the videos and irrefutable evidence, but there is nothing on Mandir-e-Aam.
02:50But still, Mr. Jain,
02:52Let me just complete.
02:54The person who has made a blanket apology on 9th May should be punished.
03:02But you cannot make a statement on 9th May and put the biggest political party of Pakistan in jail for a year.
03:13But Mr. Jain, I think that if there can be no talks, then there can be no talks on this issue.
03:20The school of thought that apologizes on 9th May is also a maximalist approach.
03:25There are some doves who say that we have to find a way out.
03:28But you have talked about a lot of issues.
03:30You have made a workable solution.
03:32You had to go to the committees.
03:34You had to deal with the seats of the Punjab Senate.
03:36You have settled this issue with a lot of understanding.
03:38So, there is room to do it.
03:40There is capacity to do it.
03:42There is no need to do it.
03:44This is the difference.
03:46The point I was trying to make earlier.
03:48When we sit in a talk show,
03:50when you present it,
03:52or when we present our topic,
03:54then it is also important that we differentiate.
03:56If we talk about doves and hawks,
03:58then there will be no solution.
04:00If you talk about doves,
04:02then there will be a way out.
04:04To find a way out,
04:06we have empowered Mr. Chakzai.
04:08So, if there is a way out,
04:10then it is a very good thing.
04:12But there should not be any discrimination in this.
04:14This is my personal opinion.
04:16The government should not have any objection
04:18that on the election of 8th February,
04:20and on 9th May,
04:22if the commissions are made,
04:24and a baseline is set
04:26for everyone,
04:28then the conference building measures
04:30and our talks
04:32can be built from there.
04:34So, this is the middle way.
04:36The commission should be made first.
04:38Is this the beginning of the middle way
04:40or are there some other requirements?
04:42I think it is a good place to start.
04:44Because,
04:46you see,
04:48their hawk
04:50is saying that
04:52we will not talk to anyone.
04:54Our hawk is saying that
04:56we will not talk to anyone
04:58until we get our mandate back.
05:00So, the middle way of these two extremes
05:02is that a fact should be found.
05:04The facts should come in front of the nation.
05:06Now, what will happen?
05:08For example,
05:10let's talk about the election of 8th February.
05:12Our stance is that our mandate has been stolen.
05:14Muslim League Noon's stance
05:16is that the mandate has not been stolen.
05:18When the commission is made,
05:20it will do only one thing.
05:22It will either support our stance
05:24or support their stance.
05:26Or they will say that
05:28everything has been done by you.
05:30The form 45 that we have shown you
05:32is the reality.
05:34So, the point is that
05:36this should start somewhere.
05:38This story should go ahead.
05:40When this story will go ahead,
05:42there will be ways out of this.
05:44Yes, but the story that has to go ahead
05:46has many facets.
05:48You have a strong stance.
05:50Do you believe that
05:52Maulana will be with you?
05:54Will he support you?
05:56Especially in parliamentary politics.
05:58Because we have seen
06:00in many places
06:02that he is with you.
06:04But for example,
06:06he is not with you in the Supreme Court.
06:08He is not with you on many other issues.
06:10Maria, look,
06:12we have only one basic stance
06:14and the path of truth and justice.
06:16He has a lot more to give to the government.
06:18So, the government is definitely
06:20putting pressure on him.
06:22And the government is trying to woo him.
06:24But in my understanding,
06:26Maulana Fawadur Rehman is a very
06:28senior politician.
06:30And he understands everything better than us.
06:32The hope is that
06:34he will do what is best for the country and the nation.
06:36And for now, this is what has happened.
06:38My understanding is that
06:40President Zardari went to him
06:42and I think
06:44he was not able to achieve what he wanted.
06:46So, the Prime Minister had to go.
06:48And my understanding is that
06:50even the Prime Minister
06:52was not able to make a breakthrough.
06:54So, Maulana is currently stuck in his position.
06:56But he needs more.
06:58He needs the seats of the Senate.
07:00It is not that simple.
07:02It is a given take.
07:04He needs the seats of the Senate.
07:06Like I said,
07:08Maulana has to improve his decision.
07:10You know better what he will do.
07:12But my understanding since day one
07:14is that because
07:16Tehrik-e-Tahfuz-e-Ain has a platform
07:18on which we all have a common goal
07:20which is the issue of the Stolen Mandate,
07:22I am offering Maulana
07:24to join us, to increase our ranks,
07:26to increase our power.
07:28And the kind of interventions
07:30and illegitimate governments
07:32that are formed by this country,
07:34once and for all, we will be able to get rid of them.