Bani PTI Kaise Bahar Ayenge? Ather Kazmi Aur Muneeb Farooq Ne Ahm Khabrein Dein
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00:00Muneeb, regarding the talks and negotiations,
00:04first of all, I would like to ask,
00:06is Muktadara on board with PMLN?
00:10And they use the word of consultation.
00:13Consultations are often held.
00:16And how authoritative is this committee,
00:19the Government Negotiating Committee?
00:21Look, this government is also acting
00:24as a representative of the Muktadara of Pakistan.
00:28So, what can I say about the consultation?
00:32But definitely, the Government Committee
00:36is fully on board with the establishment of Pakistan.
00:40That is, the establishment knows what is happening.
00:43And there is no pressure from the establishment of Pakistan.
00:48In fact, regarding these negotiations,
00:51PM of Pakistan has been said at many places
00:56that if these negotiations are carried out
00:59with justice and compliance,
01:01then they will be purely on political grounds.
01:04No other element will be involved in this.
01:07And the establishment itself can't do it anyway.
01:10And keep one thing in mind,
01:12that if there was a lot of desperation in these negotiations,
01:16or if there was something urgent to be addressed,
01:20then you would see Mohsin Naqvi Sahib in these negotiations.
01:24As you know, when the Khyber Pakhtunkhwad is coming,
01:27Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is interacting.
01:29Why? Because it is a matter of law and order.
01:32You have to talk to Ghandapur Sahib.
01:34Okay, you come here, don't come here.
01:36Why are you coming? Okay, come here.
01:38Don't do this, don't do that.
01:40This type of talk.
01:41Then when the stick and stick has to be used,
01:43Mohsin Naqvi Sahib comes and tells that
01:45whatever will happen after this, you are responsible for it.
01:48So, Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is not in this committee.
01:51So, this indication is very clear to you
01:53that this committee will move at a special speed.
01:56And some people like Rana Sadaullah Sahib are very hopeful
02:00that there will be a political dialogue.
02:02Because Rana Sadaullah Sahib himself has endured a lot.
02:05He feels that it doesn't matter
02:08if the people who are in the jails go to their homes.
02:11If there is a problem with the talks,
02:13if there is a little space for everyone,
02:15then there is no harm.
02:16But there are some people in the committee who say
02:19that nothing doing,
02:21they didn't talk to us directly.
02:23So, they should also be treated in the same way.
02:25So, it is a blend of both.
02:27But from the establishment side,
02:29where there is no objection,
02:30there is no pressure to do it.
02:32Otherwise, I don't know how the night will pass.
02:34There is nothing like that.
02:35Probably, those who are thinking
02:37that let's do this too.
02:38More or less.
02:39More, more, more.
02:40But there is nothing at stake for the government.
02:43Because what I always say,
02:45then maybe some friends feel bad.
02:47In the government, I say that the hybrid regimes,
02:49they don't need narratives.
02:51They need power.
02:52As long as there is power,
02:53and as long as it is there,
02:54then they will continue to run.
02:55When the power is on the side,
02:57then everyone falls.
02:58So, this talk went on at its own speed.
03:00So, the date of 31st January,
03:02the deadline.
03:03The deadline, let's not say,
03:04in a way,
03:05to reach the matter somewhere.
03:07So, from the PTI on 31st January,
03:09this is the conversation.
03:11There is a lot of time to be on 31st January.
03:14If you want to move forward with new matters,
03:16then spend a few months,
03:17a few weeks above that.
03:19How promising is this, you know,
03:21phase of Muzakirat?
03:23Whatever you are doing,
03:25you are spending some capital on it.
03:27As Muneeb Sahib just said,
03:29in the hybrid regimes,
03:31there is a lot of power involved.
03:33But you are also consuming power.
03:35You are also burning it.
03:37That is also a fuel.
03:38You can take it to a limit,
03:40and then it becomes useless.
03:42So, I think,
03:43there will be an effort from both sides
03:45to settle things now.
03:47To move things forward.
03:49As far as Muzakirat is concerned,
03:51surprisingly,
03:52today you told us about Khawaja Asif,
03:54where it started.
03:55Yes, yes.
03:56Two days ago,
03:57a very important person was telling me
03:59that some people in the government
04:01are very upset about this.
04:02And they will play the role of a spoiler.
04:05And they also took some names.
04:07And I am surprised that
04:09this committee,
04:10this is not made by the opposition.
04:12This is made by the Prime Minister himself.
04:14The government is doing the Muzakirat itself.
04:16And if the Minister of Defence says
04:18that we don't know where it started from,
04:20then it shows that there are a lot of issues.
04:22What I know is that
04:23one Muzakirat is happening with the committee
04:25and one Muzakirat is happening somewhere else.
04:27And that day,
04:28the people who were sitting in the committee,
04:30I can tell you about one person
04:32who was sitting inside.
04:33He told me that
04:34one or two people from the government
04:36were looking very upset.
04:38It looked like they didn't want to sit.
04:40But they are sitting.
04:42So, one,
04:43the Muzakirat is happening with this committee.
04:45The government is also getting engaged.
04:47Ali Ameen Sahib is also getting engaged.
04:49And things are going on from both sides.
04:51Closing note, Muneeb.
04:52Is there a tendency in the system
04:54to carry the burden?
04:55Or is it completely on its last stage?
04:57That's why we are talking.
04:59Why are we talking to Khan Sahib?
05:01He made the 26th of November.
05:03He made the civil disobedience.
05:05He did everything.
05:06So, why are we talking now?
05:07If there is no worry,
05:08if there is no panic.
05:09Look, there is a consensus on both sides
05:11that the political crisis
05:13cannot go on like this.
05:15Some people sitting in the government also have this.
05:17Whenever Imran Khan Sahib will come out,
05:19he will come under a deal.
05:21There will be a deal,
05:22an understanding
05:23under which he will come out.
05:25And I just want to say
05:27that my dear brother,
05:29Atif Qadmi Sahib,
05:31I have a brotherly relationship with him.
05:35I will not use the word disagreement with him.
05:37My opinion is different.
05:39I will just say that
05:41nothing is changing
05:43which is being seen from some other angle.
05:47If you just subscribe
05:49to a view,
05:51then you can see that
05:53Tehreek-e-Insaf is very confident.
05:55The world is changing.
05:56The Trump administration is coming.
05:57And the system is running.
05:59But the system has not been running
06:01for a long time.
06:03And its problems are different.
06:05At the end of the day,
06:07when there is a legitimacy issue of a government,
06:09then there will be a political dialogue.
06:11But let me tell you again
06:13very carefully that
06:15nothing is happening
06:17because the government
06:19has lost its brain.
06:21The establishment is in a state of prostration.
06:23And everyone is running away.
06:25In fact,
06:27Americans know that
06:29if we don't do this,
06:31then maybe it will be too late.